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Mugabe mocks Brown, 'tiny dot on this world'



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Published Date: 13 April 2008
PRESIDENT Robert Mugabe yesterday mocked Gordon Brown as "a little dot on this planet" as the impasse over Zimbabwe's March elections continued.
He was responding to Brown's warning to Mugabe that he is "appalled" at the latest developments in the country. "The Brown is the world?" said Mugabe. "Sure, the world is losing patience, but I know Brown is a little tiny dot on this world."

His comments came as Brown himself stepped up his own rhetoric against Mugabe, prior to his visit to the UN this week where he will seek an international commitment to resolve the crisis.

Brown said: "The international community will look to Zimbabwe for a declaration of elections and, if there is to be a future election, that there is proper international monitoring. It is appalling if there is intimidation and violence."

The Prime Minister's hopes were dented yesterday when, after talks with Mugabe, South African president Thabo Mbeki attempted to pour cold water on the affair. Mbeki claimed the two-week impasse since the March 29 vote was "normal electoral process", before adding: "I wouldn't describe that as a crisis."

At a Security Council summit on Africa on Wednesday, the Prime Minister will put further pressure on Mbeki to get Zimbabwe on to the UN's formal agenda. The UN Security Council could hold the key to a peaceful implementation of the results of the Zimbabwe elections.

But Mbeki's comments will be taken as a further sign he will resist demands to persuade Mugabe to stand down.

Caught between fear and famine

Celean Jacobson
in Beitbridge, on South Africa's border with Zimbabwe


PRISCAH Godzamutsipa is nervous about returning across the border to her village in Zimbabwe for fear of militants loyal to President Robert Mugabe who are taking over white farms and intimidating villagers who voted against him.

In the fortnight after the presidential vote and with results not yet in, Morgan Tsvangirai, the leader of the main opposition Movement for Democratic Change, has accused Mugabe of unleashing an orchestrated campaign of violence against opposition supporters, especially in former rural strongholds of the ruling Zanu-PF party.

Zimbabwe's information minister, Sikhanyiso Ndlovu, calls the claims lies, saying the country is peaceful, with "no violence whatsoever".

"They say: 'We are going to kill you,'" said Godzamutsipa, sitting next to sacks of groundnuts she hopes to sell at the busy border post of Beitbridge that leads from South Africa to its troubled northern neighbour.

"We are worried about them. They say: 'Why did you vote for Tsvangirai?'"

In Godzamutsipa's Masvingo constituency, Tsvangirai's party won 14 seats to 12 for Zanu-PF in parliamentary elections held the same day as the presidential vote.

This cattle-ranching area is where ruling party militants began last week to invade white-owned farms. Only a few hundred remain of the 4,500 white farmers who used to grow enough food to feed the nation and export to neighbours.

Godzamutsipa, a matronly 55-year-old who farms 10 acres of family land with her husband, was once a staunch supporter of Mugabe.

But now she "wants change," the refrain of many Zimbabweans. "Before Mugabe was very good. I could pay school fees. There was food in the supermarkets," she said. "Now the shops are empty. You can have a billion dollars but you can't buy anything."

A lack of rain and fertiliser and only two oxen for tilling the earth means that Godzamutsipa can barely produce enough food to feed her six children as well as the six nieces and nephews she looks after.

So, every month, she makes the two-day bus journey to South Africa, hoping to sell enough nuts to pay for school fees and buy essentials such as cooking oil and soap.

The Beitbridge border post, set in dusty bushveld marked by giant Baobab trees, has become a hive of trade and activity.

A steady stream of cars and small trucks heavily laden with goods head north from South Africa, destined for Zimbabwe's thriving black market. At the gas station, a mass of plastic drums lie waiting to be filled with fuel – a scarce commodity across the border.

In the market, women sell tomatoes and sodas in the hot sun, while men with minibuses do a roaring business ferrying day-trippers and shoppers. In a darkened hut, a money changer counts out wads of US dollars and South African rands.

As Zimbabwe's economic and political woes have intensified, an ever-increasing number of Zimbabweans are fleeing to South Africa and other neighbouring countries. There are few reliable figures, but estimates consistently put the number of Zimbabweans in South Africa at three million – nearly a quarter of Zimbabwe's total population.

The International Organisation for Migration office in Zimbabwe says people are crossing the border into South Africa at a rate of more than 1,000 a day while by July last year the number of Zimbabweans deported from South Africa had reached 17,000 each month – up from 4,000 a month in 2004.

Some cross legally but then let their visas expire; others get truck drivers to smuggle them in.

"Most of the truck drivers do it now," said Tom Karonga, 34, who had been waiting on the Zimbabwean side of the border for a week while his cargo of luxury cars was being cleared, crossing daily into South Africa on foot for supplies.

"We know they are doing it for the better of their families or themselves," he said, adding that he had been approached by Zimbabweans on both sides of the border desperate for a lift to "anywhere".

But many Zimbabweans cross into South Africa illegally, braving the crocodiles of the Limpopo River and often paying exorbitant fees to guides.

The poorly patrolled border stretches for miles, with barbed wire marking out a rocky patch of no-man's land a few feet wide. Holes cut into the bottom of the fence are large enough for adults to crawl through on their stomachs. In some areas, there is no fence at all. Once through, 'border jumpers' make a dash across a narrow strip of tarmac, duck through some more ripped fencing and disappear into the bush, leaving behind an odd shoe or cap.

In the warm glow of the late afternoon sun, a man in a khaki shirt quickly rushed from the fence back into shadow on the Zimbabwean side. Disturbed by the cars on the South African side, he made one more bid to reach the fence before retreating to wait for a safer time to cross.

Bloggers tell the world about orgy of violence in Zimbabwe

MOSES MOYO

WHILE the world waits for the results of Zimbabwe's presidential election, the people of Zimbabwe don't have to wait for Mugabe's revenge. The defeated president and his defeated party have launched an orgy of violence against activists and supporters of the successful MDC.

The party youth militia, the so-called war veterans, the secret service agents, all the paramilitary might that Robert Mugabe can call on, have been going into action in specifically targeted areas. For the record, here's a compilation of the reports coming to me.

People in the rural Matabeleland district are, of course, suffering more than most. I have had reports of intimidation from Plumtree, Binga, Nyamandlovu, Hwange, Insza and Lupane – all areas where it is thought MDC leader Morgan Tsvangirai triumphed in the recent polls.

"The war veterans descended upon us yesterday," said Ndabambi Ndlovu, who fled his home in fear of his life. "They demanded that we leave the area, or be killed. They said we had sold out by supporting the opposition, and that we would not be allowed to vote in the re-run."

In Lupane, 600 kilometres southwest of Harare, more than a thousand villagers are said to have been assaulted by soldiers using rifle butts. Among the casualties were two Zimbabwe Electoral Commission officials. They showed the soldiers their ZEC cards – and were immediately beaten more severely.

The intimidation is even evident in Harare itself. Residents of the high-density suburb Mabvuku-Tafara fled for their lives when heavily armed police descended on the community and began beating people indiscriminately.

This last incident resulted in a choice quotation from police spokesman Assistant Commissioner Wayne Bvudzijena. He said: "I have not heard any such news. It must be false as police do not beat innocent civilians."

Meanwhile, the situation can only get worse. Appeals to the international community to intervene fall on deaf ears. Robert Mugabe is refusing to take calls from other African leaders. And depression and fear amongst those who oppose him grows by the day.

http://www.zimbabwetoday.co.uk/2008/04/mugabe-unleashe.html#more

SOKWANELE

Yesterday we heard reports of army jets flying over Harare and this morning there were soldiers marching through the centre of Bulawayo. I doubt these displays of intimidation are as effective against the people as they were seven years ago. The soldiers voted with us and they know we won and we know we won. The ironic thing is that we march together but the old man will not accept it.

There is not much talk any more of whether the results will be announced or not. The process seems pointless (albeit necessary) when the answer is clear. The only talk now is of the way forward and the Southern African Development Community meeting (in Zambia yesterday].

I lay awake last night wondering how the meeting will unfold.

http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/

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1

tomi,

13/04/2008 00:29:11
Robert Mugabe has been a disaster for Zimbabwe, but sometimes I think that he isn't all bad. He speeks the truth sometimes.
2

tomi,

13/04/2008 00:29:55
He even speaks it.
3

Matt there,

somewhere 13/04/2008 00:39:46
Mugabe may be a mentally deranged and evil despot. But in calling Gordon Brown "a little tiny dot on this world" he might have a good point.

He is just waiting to see which way Gordon Brown dithers.
4

oder,

Scotland 13/04/2008 00:43:15
The Prime Minister's hopes were dented yesterday when, after talks with Mugabe, South African president Thabo Mbeki attempted to pour cold water on the affair. Mbeki claimed the two-week impasse since the March 29 vote was "normal electoral process", before adding: "I wouldn't describe that as a crisis."


Mbeki`s "Quite Diplomacy" in action,... do nothing!... a roaring success!


"the world is losing patience, but I know Brown is a little tiny dot on this world."

have to agree with Mugabe on the that one!

"the Prime Minister will put further pressure on Mbeki to get Zimbabwe on to the UN's formal agenda. The UN Security Council could hold the key to a peaceful implementation of the results of the Zimbabwe elections"


Puff!....Puff!... the magic dragon! Mr Brown you have as much teeth as a toothless bulldog never mined you might give him a good pinch!








5

Senga Jean,

Scotland 13/04/2008 01:05:53
Brown and Mugabe. Two lying snakes in a pit. One funded a massacre of 20,000 the other funded a massacre of 1,000,000. They only differ by degree. Laugh? They both have a degree in HISTORY.
6

nabodican,

Rural Scotland 13/04/2008 01:44:50
Much as I dislike Mugabe, he does have a point on this one.!!!
7

Lobeydoser,

13/04/2008 02:19:18
" A tiny dot on this world" he may be, but he is our tiny dot.
Mugabe might soon be a large red dot on a pavement!
8

Willie Macleod,

Wick 13/04/2008 04:10:10
#8 What would Salmonds body count be if his policy of non interventiion in Kosovo had been followed. There is a body count for non intervention.
9

Colin R,

Bearsden 13/04/2008 04:22:15
Mugabe is right to some extent- Brown and his lieutenant ALexander are as corrupt and incompetent at runnig elections as Mugabe- Brown sticks by a few idiots such as Des Browne, Ruth Kelly while Millions go disappointed
10

dave A,

nz 13/04/2008 06:21:48
I hope he has that tiny dot thought on his mind as the noose closes around his neck and the hangman covers his head with a hood "death to dictators"
11

Geoff,

sa 13/04/2008 07:33:47
When I see that photo of Mbeki and Mugabe I think to myself that if Lewis Carroll were alive today,he couldnt write a better update of the Mad Hatters tea party than these two have produced in reality. Mugabe is clearly mad/evil and our President Mbeki, nice chap though he is,now resides permanently in his own fantasy world. The sooner (even) Zuma takes over, the better! And to those of you slagging off Gordon Brown-yous have no idea how different the scale is in this third world environment. GB may have his faults but if we put him in charge here he would be a godsend compared to what we have. Also I am of the school that says -my Country/Prime Minister right or wrong when it comes to the insults mouthed by fascist Mugabe.
12

Geoff,

sa 13/04/2008 07:39:17
10 ColinR-as I said in 12,yous have no idea. British Elections may have glitches but produce a result that reflects the will of the people-you will see this in the next General Election when GB and NuLabour are ousted. Can you imagine the British public tolerating a two week delay in producing the results or more to the point,can you ever see such a thing happening?
13

The west awake,

Argyll 13/04/2008 07:47:30
Mugabe is nowhere near as popular as he undoubtedly used to be with his people... but I'll bet he is still more popular with Zimbabweans right now than Brown is with Brits.

Come to think of it, atheletes foot is probably more popular than Brown right now.
14

donald,

glasgow 13/04/2008 08:15:01
London is tiny dot on the world map. Gordy is a fat bustard om that tiny dot.
15

Bob Christie,

13/04/2008 08:35:41
Mugabwe was always prone to exaggerating the size of everything!
16

Dave Scott,

St Albans 13/04/2008 08:40:04
WE ARE ALL WEE DOTS regardless of how big we think we are. We are capable of making mistakes and are also vulnerable. Some wee dots make themselves bigger by killing other wee dots. Mugabe is a 'big' wee dot. He got that way by erasing vulnerable wee dots in his own country in a way far more grotesque than our ill-conceived war. Brown-dot may have been complicit in that latter event but Mugabe-dot was/is a sustained instigator. In that sense Mugabe-dot is right ... in that Brown-dot is not in the same league as him ... as a murderer.
Regardless of our political persuasion, most of the rest of us wee dots should be hoping that Brown-dot can, with the world watching, win this battle of rhetoric before other wee Zimbabwean dots get erased.
17

Doug Morrison,

Inverness 13/04/2008 08:44:54
Join the dots to get the bigger picture.
18

Liberal for life,

Dunblane 13/04/2008 08:51:35
So whats the difference between the selfish attitudes of the Zimbabwe president regarding asset (cultivated land etc) grabbing from the white settlers Zimbabwe and our SNP first minister wanting to asset grab (oil etc) here in Scotland?

Not a lot I can tell you - in either case the (national seperatist) means does not justify the ends.
19

Muknid,

Australia 13/04/2008 09:12:33
Brown a tiny dot has to be better than being the biggest murdering, thieving, cheating, a---hole liar on the planet.Nothing good could possibly be said about M'gobby. As for M'beki, he obviously can't tell the truth either or maybe he is stupid enough to believe what he has just said.
20

FLUB,

a rocky outcrop in eastern central Scotland 13/04/2008 09:24:26
Even by Gordon Brown's standards, his hypocrisy on this one is breathtaking. Zimbabwe is most definitely a basket case, but at least Zimbabweans are getting to (ostensibly) vote for their nation's leader.

Italians are going to the polls to vote for their nation's leader, but what do we in the UK get?

A closed stitch up to mollify the bruised ego of an eternal clerk, who couldn't make it the first time round and whose "government" doesn't govern, with the control of the economy in the hands of banks.

In the words of the old song - Stand down Gordon, stand down please, stand down Gordon.

21

The Spook in Leith,

Leith 13/04/2008 09:47:14
Hmm, well Brown will be like a little dot come the end of the local elections but Moogarbage is a huge blight for the suffering of millions of his own people.

This despot should be hauled up to face crimes against humanity then he to will become a little irrelevant dot to the citizens of Zimbabwe
22

shivago8,

livingston 13/04/2008 09:53:58
At last Mugabe has got one thing right.
23

jdships,

13/04/2008 11:02:10
Bottom line
ALL politicians are "tiny dot's"
It's only their ego's that make them seem bigger
Brown, Alexander, Salmond for starters !!
24

Colin R,

BEarsden 13/04/2008 11:10:52
Also shows what a plonker THabo Mbeki is ( the only world leader to help HAiti clebrate its communism)
25

Freedom for Scotland,

13/04/2008 11:16:46
#19
We all know that, being a Lieberal, you have not got a brain. If it is not Scotland's oil, then whose exactly is it?
26

Highland Mighty,

13/04/2008 11:18:47
Nationalists are so anti-UK, they now applaud the rantings of a mad despot.

How pathetically bitter they are!
27

El Sabio,

Sibbertoft 13/04/2008 11:22:17
What Gordon Brown says is correct, however, we have the doers and the talkers. Where are the doers?
28

FedUpTaxPayer,

Edinburgh 13/04/2008 11:44:40
I wonder if Ladbrokes are taking bets on the election? I feel now a Mugabe victory, after the recount which I'm sure will 'clarify' the situation...
29

lynds,

Scotland 13/04/2008 11:59:05
I am proud to be Scottish AND Brisith as are the majority of Scots. These Nationalist idiots are a total embarassment and laughing stock. If they are so proud to be Scottish then why are they trying to destroy our country. They really don't have a clue and hang on to every word that moron Salmond has to say. He has not even attmepted to run the country only wants to pick fights. Brown may not like the sound of his own voice as the likes of the idiot Salmon but at least he has the WHOLE of the UK's interest at heart and has managed to get the country out of the red (unlike the Nats that will destroy Scotland).
However, that is enough of the Scotland/Brown issue. My real point is 'read the story', how can anyone compare Brown and Mugabe!!! In the UK we have no idea of the suffering and corruption these people are experienceing at the hands of Mugabe and his henchmen. It's all very nice for you to sit with a coffee in your comfy house and spout off, try starving and living in fear. If you don't have anything intelligent or worthwhile to say then go back to watching River City.
The Nationalist idiots on this site have put me off reading this.

30

Freedom for Scotland,

13/04/2008 12:05:17
#30

Your fatuous claims about Scotland are obviously made whilst you are under the influence of something malevolent. I suggest you go for a wee lie down hen!
31

Freedom for Scotland,

13/04/2008 12:06:15
#27 YOU know that is not true. We NEVER applaud yours!
32

Bird of Prey, Will watch what i say.,

13/04/2008 12:08:50
Brown is a tiny dot, just look at the polls out on his ratings as PM..-28%...shocking
33

Dennis,

North Isles 13/04/2008 12:16:50
Excellent posts #17 and 30

As for some of the other posts....
It never ceases to amaze how low some supposed Scot Nats will stoop to pour their vitriol on this country. We have already seen signs of the SNP leadership offering words of comfort to any despot - however loathesome and murderous - who might be seen as an enemy of the UK. It is interesting to note that the newly independent Irish republic was one of the only states in the world to offer official condolances to the Nazis in 1945 on the death of their Fuhrer. Salmond and his supporters had best learn from that.
34

Itchy,

13/04/2008 12:35:57
Brown is doing slowly what Mugabe has done quickly.

Both are socialists at heart.
35

Displaced Scot,

Uk 13/04/2008 12:57:42
We keep being told that this is an African problem and it needs an African solution. The only problem is that Africa appears to unable to come up with a solution. We have a South African President who thinks that there is no problem.
As the ex colonial power the UK feels that it can say too much, without being called Neo-Colonialist.
When will African leaders learn that when you loose an election you stand down and let the winner take over.
The trouble with leaders who have led so called liberation wars, is that they make lousy leaders in normal times and too few people are prepared to tell them. The Republic of Ireland suffered for years due to the Devorlera effect.
36

Graham Barnes,

Gravesend, Kent 13/04/2008 12:58:23
Re; a couple of points made here. Forget the hood over Mugabe's head when he goes to swing, let's all see his suffering. Secondly, someone said something about Gordon Brown having the whole of the UK's interest at heart. Really? What about this referendum on the EU? I've always voted labour until now, but after the Blair/Brown partnership I'm going to vote elsewhere. Unfortunately, none of the three main parties are worth voting for. But at least we're not in Zimbabwe, so that is in our favour. And Brown may be just a little dot as are most of us, but Mugabe is a cancer that needs erasing before the infection spreads.
37

Davy Thomas,

Irvine 13/04/2008 13:18:03
Britain & America took out Sadam, Mugabe is no different. Mugabe has instructed the killings of thousands of People no matter what colour they are. He needs to be removed and a UN Force put in place to support a new Government.
38

L C Y,

AUCHTERARDER 13/04/2008 13:42:35
I'm not an admirer of Gordon Brown, but if he's a dot on the planet, Mugabe is a nasty tiny polluting blemish.
39

Jimmy the Pie,

13/04/2008 13:59:48
Highland Mighty

Fitlike?

Good to see you back after last weeks minor mental aberration.

Will you switch to British Pride or have you given that moniker a swerve???
40

Iain Ritchie,

São Paulo 13/04/2008 14:10:01
I would like to endorse nº 29, lynds comments, he makes sense, thanks - Iain Ritchie (born in Glasgow and living
in São Paulo).
41

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 13/04/2008 15:32:32
Mugabe the Syphilitic Monster is the a*rse-wipe of Africa and will be dead soon - either of tertiary syphilis and/or AIDS or being assassinated (hopefully).

He will go down in history with other insane African tyrants such as Bokassa and Amin.

A pox on all his houses and may he and his murderous minions rot in HELL.
42

Traquir,

Alba 13/04/2008 16:24:36

'tiny dot on this world'

I have found proof positive that Mugabe is more wrong
on this one than he could ever have thought possible
see - tinyurl.com/3feqas
43

Iain's,

13/04/2008 17:40:31
CRIVVENS!
Gordon Brown is not a wee dot !
He is a hideous BLOT on the landscape!
44

El Sabio,

Sibbertoft 13/04/2008 18:06:25
Nothing will be done about Mugabe sice Mbeki lives on a different planet. The rest of the world could not give a damn.

John Vorster pulled the plug on the Smith regime (late 70s)- under Smith the country really worked - on the instructions of Henry Kissinger. Why? I'd like to know.

Mbeki could do the same but he will not
45

Media 1,

cape town 13/04/2008 18:50:49
If Alex Salmond announced that he did not agree with Mugabe, he too would receive the same ridicule from the tyrant.
When you live in Africa you experience the GENERAL African mindset, which is chaos and a totally disfunctional society. Nothing works, everything gets broken and society slowly becomes primitive in all aspects. Crime sky rockets, savage murders take place on a daily basis and ministers steal from the fiscal and announce that garlic and beetroot will cure aids.
Mbeki flew to Harare to see Mugabe, and then announced there was no crisis. No crisis? Why bother going to Zimbabwe to begin with then?
Mbeki supports Mugabe, so that alone tells you the road that South Africa faces.
46

Methalions,

13/04/2008 19:15:36
29 lynds

Tube.
47

foulkes had my name removed'the t0sser',

foulke knows where 13/04/2008 19:25:25
29#
lynds are you thick or something ?
At least he has the WHOLE of the UK's interest at heart and has managed to get the country out of the red ??????

The country is foulked and you are a tw4t!

46#
Thank you Meths
yes tube is a correct assessment

48

Kipling,

13/04/2008 19:34:55
41 TimW1234. So black mugabe should be watching out for this broon micro(be)dot, heh?
49

Caora Dubh,

Croit sheasgair 13/04/2008 19:42:21
Thabo Mbeki, the President of South Africa, is hopelessly brainwashed by anti-colonial rhetoric. Like Mugabe, his private agenda is that of an anti-colonial extremist and he is thus opposed to white Africans, regardless of right and wrong. Mbeki hates taking advice from non-black experts because he feels that it compromises his innermost political outlook. Hence it was simple for looneys to convince Mbeki that the connection between AIDS and HIV is a myth, because Mbeki would swallow any story implying the existence of an anti-black African conspiracy. Thus Mbeki is Mugabe's little puppet, to be brought out and played with in front of the world's media whenever Mugabe wants a display of solidarity. A decent South african President would have warned Mugabe two days after the election that South Africa would brook no hanky-panky or post-election misbehaviour of any sort whatsoever. But here instead we have this feeble rag doll tacitly endorsing what is in effect a coup d'etat by Mugabe, who is backed by Zimbabwe's army and police. The international community must make an extremely powerful statement to Mugabe immediately, and back it up by agreeing to send in a very strong intervention force as soon as any orchestrated violence breaks out. Sadly however, we all know that the UN, EU, NATO etc, always drag their feet, preferring a few massacres to occur before taking action.
50

that effin wee nyaff Davie,

13/04/2008 19:42:31
quote: Brown may not like the sound of his own voice...
ah canny unnerstaun hauf ae whit es sain (that Gordon Broon ah mean).
51

El Sabio,

Sibbertoft 13/04/2008 20:36:30
Mbeki is anti-white. Thankfully he is on his way our. He has been in power for too long and is surrounded by sycophants, toadies and stooges. Hopefully his successor, Jacob Zum possibly, does not and will not live on a different planet.

The anti-white black brothers must show that they will not be pushed around by the muntus
52

Kipling,

13/04/2008 20:45:42
#51. 'Out' not 'our'.
As in
'out, out, damn dot'.
from, Shakespeare, 'MacGabe'
53

Tris,

Dundee 13/04/2008 20:51:32


# 29

I'm proud to be Scottish. I'm also British.


#37

Mugabe doesn't have oil that Mr Cheney wants to get his hands on. Simple.

# 45

Thank goodness everything works like clockwork in the UK then. No chaos here, nothing broken, no murders, everyone happy about wandering around at midnight.... ha ha ha. Most of all of course no one in the parliament would EVER steal anything here .... ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha .......

Brown is more than a wee dot Mugabe you murdering git; he's a great big horrible blot, trying to be statesman-like and failing dismally like he's failed at everything else.
54

El Sabio,

Sibbertoft 13/04/2008 21:07:30
NATO bombed the cr@@ out of Serbia and Milosevich was no Mugabe.

Why can't they get rid of this mini-tyrant in Zimbabwe - NO OIL. Mbeki has another agenda unknown to us

Hypocrites - that's all
55

bumpkin,

13/04/2008 21:59:31
The cause of all this mess is that britain and america made rhodesia unique.
Unique in that it is the only country in the world wher they rolled over and allowed a communist insurgency to take over without lifting a finger to help. Worse than that, they put on sanctions.
America spent 50,000 soldiers lives fighting communists in vietnam, why not rhodesia?
56

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 13/04/2008 23:19:22
gordonbrown.com

spot the dot competition here.
57

Highland Mighty,

13/04/2008 23:26:17
54. Serbia was attacked directly because of the Srebrenica massacre and that Milosovic was conducting a systematic genocide of non-Serbs.

Read up on the subject before you post.
58

El Sabio,

Sibbertoft 14/04/2008 07:27:02
#54

How many thousands do you think Mugabe and the North Korean 5th brigade massacred in Matabele land?

I hope that you read this!


59

Hetman,

DC 14/04/2008 13:12:14
England is indeed going the way of Rhodesia; once prosperous, now smoke and mirrors. Oh yes, South Africa not far behind on that terrible path. People simply can't handle the truth.
60

amdara,

joburg 14/04/2008 13:22:01
Brown is really a dot on the planet, and not the spokesperson of the world. Mugabe has got it correct but now he should correct his cronnies now !
and brown should limit his interest in zim now before he becomes a dot in his family.

Ever talking zim more than any president in the world.
Is it because he was not put in power by poll or ....?
61

amdara,

joburg 14/04/2008 13:26:31
6# close to perfect
62

amdara,

joburg 14/04/2008 13:26:49
6# close to perfect
63

57Nomad,

california 14/04/2008 18:56:14
#37 Davy Thomas

DT said:

"He needs to be removed and a UN Force put in place to support a new Government."

I agree that the world would suddenly be a better place for all if Robert Mugabe vanished and was never seen or heard of again. However, I would check that impulse to call in UN troops. Notwithstanding the fact that the Africans would be insisting on an African contingent, UN troops could be worse than no troops at all.

You don't need the UN and you really don't want them meddling around if there is work that has to be done. There should be another group made of free countries that have long democratic traditions and a history of standing up for human rights. The people in Zimbabwe are being sacrificed in the West upon the alter of political correctness. The outrages of the Mugabe regime have simply been stared through, as if they were insubstantial phantasms. There is always a price to be paid when the reality that stares one right in the face is ignored because if it were acknowledged the consequences would be to troublesome to contemplate. What a fool believes he sees (M.McDonald, K.Loggins)
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57Nomad,

california 14/04/2008 18:57:24
#37 Davy Thomas

DT said:

"He needs to be removed and a UN Force put in place to support a new Government."

I agree that the world would suddenly be a better place for all if Robert Mugabe vanished and was never seen or heard of again. However, I would check that impulse to call in UN troops. Notwithstanding the fact that the Africans would be insisting on an African contingent, UN troops could be worse than no troops at all.

You don't need the UN and you really don't want them meddling around if there is work that has to be done. There should be another group made of free countries that have long democratic traditions and a history of standing up for human rights. The people in Zimbabwe are being sacrificed in the West upon the alter of political correctness. The outrages of the Mugabe regime have simply been stared through, as if they were insubstantial phantasms. There is always a price to be paid when the reality that stares one right in the face is ignored because if it were acknowledged the consequences would be to troublesome to contemplate. What a fool believes he sees (M.McDonald, K.Loggins)
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57Nomad,

14/04/2008 18:58:10
ooopps please forgive the double post, knobs problem, incompetent operator.
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Kipling,

14/04/2008 23:43:44
#63-65. Sooo, name the 'free' countries. The UK with its sly support of rendition? The US with its island of prisoners without recourse to legal representation? And WHO exactly chooses which of the 'free' countries lucky ?soldiers ?charity workers gets to go to Zimbabwe ?
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Kipling,

14/04/2008 23:44:38
Let alone what they do when they get there.
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Sabinah,

US 15/04/2008 07:30:59
Both Mugabe and Mbeki should disappear on the face of earth like Saddam. As a black Zimbabwean living in exile with relatives that are now scattered in South Africa, and experiencing attacks from South Africans, I say down with Thabo Mbeki and down with Robert Mugabe. Both grassroot South Africans and Zimbabweans should know that the fall of Zimbabwe is the fall of South Africa. Mbeki is jealousy of Zimbabwe's potential. Mbeki does not want Zimbabwe to be the model of Southern African as Zimbabwe used to be, hence he will by all means make Zimbabwe stay on its kneels while his country steals the limelight. If South Africa can sell its tourism by mentioning Zimbabwe's Victoria Falls as its own, South Africa can do more to steal Zimbabwe's glory. We will rise again, and again down with Mbeki.
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Scotindy,

Los Angeles 17/04/2008 03:10:49
After INDEPENDENCE Brown will have no dots
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that effin wee nyaff Davie,

17/04/2008 11:58:53
quote: After INDEPENDENCE Brown will have no dots

correct me if ah'm wrang (ah wis oot ae the "country" for a while) but how is that gonny come aboot given the current mindset ae the Scoatch voters.
ah seem tae recall they goat wee lizzie tae open the new Scoatch parliament (meanin parley-vous shoap).

 

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