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Published Date: 18 January 2009
ALEX SALMOND is attempting to form his own special relationship. The First Minister is trying to schmooze Barack Obama by inviting him to a glitzy Burns Supper in Washington, even suggesting that the President-elect shares some of the qualities of Scotland's national poet.
The First Minister is hopeful that the world's most powerful man will acknowledge his Scottish ancestry by sharing haggis, neeps and tatties with him during the events marking the 250th anniversary of Robert Burns's birth. Salmond has yet to receive
a reply from Obama, but he wants to meet him when he travels to the United States next month to promote the year of Homecoming, which aims to attract expat Scots back home.

Obama has also received an invitation from Salmond to come to Scotland for the Homecoming celebrations here.

Whether a freshly inaugurated Obama would have time to fit in the Burns Supper or a visit to Scotland remains to be seen.

There is also the delicate diplomatic question of whether accepting Salmond's invitation would be interpreted as a tacit show of support for Scottish independence and a snub to Gordon Brown.

A highlight of Salmond's visit to Washington DC will be a major symposium on the life and works of Scotland's national poet, which will feature Scottish and US academics and scholars, and include a Burns Supper.

In an interview with Edinburgh University newspaper Student, Salmond admitted that he had sent the invitation but had yet to talk with Obama, who is supposed to be able to trace his ancestry to William the Lion, who ruled Scotland between 1165 and 1214. Obama's maternal ancestor, Edward FitzRandolph, emigrated to America in the 17th century.

When asked if he had spoken to the President-elect, Salmond replied: "I haven't actually, no, but I hope… he's got one or two things to do, but hopefully he'll be able to find the time, so we'll see what happens. We've (also] got a Burns supper in Washington in February which we're hoping he'll be able to come to."

Salmond recalled a television interview with Obama, in which the President-elect said the most important thing his grandmother, whose ancestors were Scottish, had taught him was 'empathy'.

"If, indeed, his Scottish-descending grandmother taught him empathy, then she's taught him a valuable thing which will stand him in incredibly good stead. That's also Robert Burns… one of his outstanding qualities… whether you're mouse or a louse or whatever, that's what Burns had."

The presence of Obama at the Homecoming would be a massive coup for Salmond.

The event has been criticised for its tartan and shortbread approach, but Salmond said reintroducing expatriate Scots with their native land could play an important part in reversing Scotland's brain drain.

Salmond said Scotland had lost its "most educated, brightest, best people" under Westminster rule, adding: "If I was to put one single economic reason for Scottish independence, (it] is to reverse that flow of talent outwards, to provide the opportunity.

"Although Homecoming is often seen as a theme of getting a few tourists back for next year, it's a lot more than that. It's about a reconnection with a wider Scottish family… (It] could be a reconnection for an investment or… moving back or to have contact, a business or a leisure sense, or whatever. It's to re-emphasise and reconnect with that Scottish diaspora."

A spokesman for Obama's Transition Team, asked about Salmond's invitation, said: "There will not be a schedule announced until after Tuesday."





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  • Last Updated: 17 January 2009 7:26 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Robert Burns
 
1

Rufus-T-Firefly,

17/01/2009 22:36:07
"The First Minister is trying to schmooze Barack Obama by inviting him to a glitzy Burns Supper in Washington, even suggesting that the President-elect shares some of the qualities of Scotland's national poet."

PASS THE SICK BUCKET.
2

Rufus-T-Firefly,

17/01/2009 22:37:43
"The First Minister is hopeful that the world's most powerful man will acknowledge his Scottish ancestry by sharing haggis, neeps and tatties with him during the events marking the 250th anniversary of Robert Burns's birth."

As if Barack Obama is going to have time to meet that self indulgent clown.
3

webwise,

Scotland 17/01/2009 22:38:57
"The event has been criticised..."

Who by?

Jim Murphy, Foulkes, Lewis Macdonald .... all Labour, anyone see a pattern yet?
4

Rufus-T-Firefly,

17/01/2009 22:42:05
"A spokesman for Obama's Transition Team, asked about Salmond's invitation, said: "We won't be opening our junk mail until after Tuesday."
5

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17/01/2009 23:58:02
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Tricked into voting SNP, never again!,

17/01/2009 23:58:35
oops wrong thread, apologies.
7

Wardog™,

wardogblog.blogspot.com 18/01/2009 00:13:32

5. Tricked into voting Labour


"...signifies the period where the SNP's honeymoon period at Holyrood ends..." THE POLLS SAY SOMETHING DIFFERENT

"...It has been established in all but name.." LIE

"...In the circles I move in..." TEENAGE CHAT ROOMS?

"...Thankfully, the SNP are shedding voters as a result..." LIE

"...Last month, I was on the fence regarding whether or not I would vote for independence next year...." FLIP FLOP LIB DEM

"...I think the SNP will be relegated to 3rd or even 4th place come election time...." LORDY LORDY

"....Alex Salmond has presided over a period when the Scottish banking sector has collapsed...." PRICELESS




6. Can I buy tickets to see you at the fringe this year?


8

democracy,

Scottish Borders 18/01/2009 00:36:07
Rufus-T-Firefly says "As if Barack Obama is going to have time to meet that self indulgent clown"

And Brown isn't a bit like that eh?

What a total load of dog poo you talk you utter banker!!!
9

Thomas79,

Ayrshire 18/01/2009 00:38:17
Its very easy to criticise the government of the day. I support the SNP, I know they are not perfect, but no party is. They are really trying to promote Scotland, and make Homecoming a success, and surely there is nothing wrong in being ambitious and inviting Obama. Why do some people hate everything the SNP does or suggests, even if its good for Scotland. RUFUS-T-FIREFLY and the Tricked into voting SNP guy should try to be more constructive, they come on here and say Salmond is this and that, SNP are this and that no matter what the SNP did. I want to know who they support, and I want them to tell us why they would do better. Then we can have a proper debate.
10

UK007,

18/01/2009 00:43:01
#1/#2/#4 RFT Are you not worried about your unhealthly fixation with our FM ? I think you both should be worried.
11

Wardog™,

wardogblog.blogspot.com 18/01/2009 00:46:46
11. They will never come out and explain their alternatives, that's their strategy and it's a weak and unsustainable one.

The vast majority of the so called unionists on these pages are very right wing - tories, ukip, bnp and new labour...... we all know what their policies are .

There are occasional posters who claim to be socialist but when pushed, these posters are nothing of the sort, they're just old labour with a bnp makeup on, waving a union jack and dreaming of the raj.

Only the greens are providing any form of constructive dialogue and I can't recall reading an out and out green supporter on these pages bar one who was advoating LVT.

Your right, debate requires two sides before it starts.



12

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 18/01/2009 00:48:54
Obama wasnae a' fur doom
He's left wi' sic a sultry cloon
Wan wha'd bring a'body doon
Whit's his name - Gordon Broon.
13

Ray 1,

Glasgow 18/01/2009 01:02:59
5 Tricked into voting SNP, never again
The SNP put themselves before Scotland every time and that is beginning to show on the reduced quality of life in Scotland,

Where have you been have lived in England for nearly 40 years and I have come back to Scotland for good but over the years I have always visited Scotland and sadly Scotland feels and looks like a backward country compared t England how come if we are all supposed to be Brutish “English”.
Where are the decent jobs that pay the same as you can get in England none the wages are lower? SNP MSPs have been repeatedly lying to Parliament what about Westminster repeatedly lying to the Scot we are better of? Go and live in England and find out yourself then come back to Scotland and apologise to your fellow countrymen if indeed you are Scots? What has Labour or the conservatives ever done for Scotland other then take for themselves and give Scotland the scraps, Sorry Scotland needs to and has to be a independent to achieve what they should have achieve many years ago independence in their own right not to be Robbed at every turn by England nor be treated as second class.

The newspapers have run the story that Prince Harry stands accused of racism and has brought shame on the royal family, Prince Harry made the offensive racist comments, his sick remarks have infuriated Islamic groups in the UK THE Equality and Human Rights Commission last night demanded a formal inquiry into Prince Harry’s jibes and said they would be investigating. The spokesman said: “These appear to be disturbing allegations and we will be asking the Ministry of Defence to see the evidence, share their investigation with us and their plans for dealing with it.” Clarence House issued an APOLOGY for his behaviour Tory MP and former army officer Patrick Mercer said that will cause great offence “it is unforgiveable.” The father of a soldier Muhammad Yaqoob Khan Abbasi said “Prince Harry should apologise to the Pakistani Army and to the
14

Ray 1,

Glasgow 18/01/2009 01:05:18
SECOND PART:

Pakistani government for this, I cannot accept his apology unless they first accept his apology."

What about the White Scots who are racially discriminated in England? Labour Councillor Ms Anne Glover who is mentioned in the Prime Minister Book or Heroes told a Liberal Democrat Councillor Dale Keeling I was a Scots B*****d yet again I complained to the Leicester City Council, Liberal Democrat member Mr Ian Bradwell sent a statement to the Council regarding Ms Anne Glovers racist comments but his statement was ignored. Considering Councillor Dale Keeling had informed the Liberal Democrat leader Mr Peter Coley, Liberal Democrat Chair Mr Bernard Greaves that Ms Anne Glover called me a Scots B*****d they have been very silent that does not say much about their sense of duty. Labour Councillor Ms Anne Glover told Liberal Councillor Dale Keeling that she hated me and told him I was a Scots B*****d, had Ms Glover referred to an Asian or black person in the same tone of language this would be considered as racist language. It seems the Leicester City Council will not ask the Liberal Councillor Dale Keeling or Mr Ian Bradwell about their statements in support of me to be investigated, their Service Director - Legal Services Mr Peter Nicholls Cleary supports that and clearly does not understand Racism is Racism whether in private or public as stated on GMTV this morning. Mr Peter Nicholls view is “Misuse and libel of another person is not necessarily a breach of the Code of conduct for Councillors”.

THIS IS THE REAL FACE IN ENGLANMD ALL TRUE MY COMPLAINT HAS BEEN SENT TO THE STANDARD BOARD OF ENGLAND WHO ARE THE MUGS WHO DONT SUPPORT INDEPENDENCE STILL THINK THE ENGLISH REGARD THE SCOTS AS EQUALS?
15

Tricked into voting SNP, never again!,

18/01/2009 01:11:16
Ray1

You have a victim mentality. We, British, have a stiff upper lip and will soldier on.

It is a shame you feel you need to rant like a Jeremy Kyle guest, pull your socks up man.

Who cares if we Scots get called Sweaty socks or Jockanese when we visit our soft neighbours south of the border? Pull your socks up man!
16

Thomas79,

Ayrshire 18/01/2009 01:15:19
17 Good to see you back Mr I hate the SNP. I hope you come back on and tell us who you support, what party, and why. Then we can compare and contrast.
17

Nevsky,,

Moscow 18/01/2009 01:18:30
As Barack Obama has already humiliated Brown by refusing to meet him (Brown thought he would be first to get an invite lol) and instead chosing to meet Sarkozy, let's hope Salmond pulls it off!

Would be great PR for Scotland and that's what counts!
18

subrosa,

18/01/2009 01:36:20
If Alex Salmond is visiting America in his position as our First Minister and hosting a large Scottish event, then it is only courtesy that he invite that head of government (the US President).

He probably doesn't expect a positive reply but he's shown that Scots still hold values of good manners. What's wrong with that?

As for inviting Obama to the Homecoming why shouldn't he? I just can't see the difficulty unionists have about our First Minister behaving like a First Minister.
19

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18/01/2009 01:57:08
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2dogs in D.C.,

Not in D.C.for the next few days 18/01/2009 02:01:30
Sorry all,but he may be just a bit busy trying to sort out this current mess.
21

Hillary R. Clinton,

18/01/2009 03:28:12
Obama is a media wh-ore and the media will love either decision he makes.
22

W Smith,

MIddle East 18/01/2009 03:34:29
Will Salmond extend an invitation to Obama's new Chief of Staff, Rahm Emanuel, the jew with an ISRAELI passport!????

One Israeli newspaper referred to Mr Emanuel as "our man in the Whitehouse".

HILARIOUS - the pro-Palestinian SNP don't know what the h*** they'r e talking about half the time but they talk a good game.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/3452616/Muslim-world-nervous-about-Barack-Obamas-pro-Israeli-chief-of-staff.html

23

Scotindy,

Los Angeles 18/01/2009 03:59:34
Roll on Referendum Day next year when the result will be that SCOTLAND will be attending the 2012 Olympic Games as an INDEPENDENT COUNTRY in her own right. However england will not be there, they maybe part of a team called gb though. That's Gordon Brown Party of course!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
24

Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 18/01/2009 09:05:41
You have to hand it to the arrogant Salmond for being an unabashed sycophant who will go to any lengths to forward the cause of his Party and Government!

25

Pat Scot,

Albernia 18/01/2009 09:10:53
It seems a bit cringeworthy that all we can offer is haggis, neeps, and old rhymes - where's the imagination?

Unless, of course, there is no actual news in this item, and all it reflects is the first minister would like to rub shoulders with someone popular. A reasonable aspiration - being a member of 2 parliaments doesn't seem to have got him there.

I'm not sure which is most tiresome - Alex, or the press that reports such a non-story
26

Marian,

18/01/2009 09:18:07
Far better for Scotland that Alex Salmond develops a good relationship with Barack Obama than Blair and Brown's track reocord which is of cosying up to the arch-moron George W Bush.
27

GMCD,

18/01/2009 09:21:20
Are we sure that Salmond is making this invitation? He could be making it up to make him look big.....
28

brownlie,

18/01/2009 09:46:39
31 GMCD

Bit of an own-goal there. We unionists insist that Salmond is fat, obese and immense yet you're claiming that he needs to make himself "look big"???
29

Scimitar1,

18/01/2009 09:53:32
LOL, that's like the gate security man inviting the CEO
to his birthday party.
30

bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 18/01/2009 10:22:44
#27 smee
“Then Salmond tries to imply that empathy is somehow a monopolhy (sic) of "Scottish-descending" people”.

Do you have a link to justify this allegation as there is nothing in the article to suggest that Alex Salmond tried to imply any such thing?

Your bitterness has reached the point of self-parody, with your contributions simply oozing with bile and invective.
You are one sad individual.
31

lulach mac gille coemgain,

18/01/2009 10:42:03
Labour must be miffed they have nothing to invite obama to ha ha
32

Liberal for life,

Dunblane 18/01/2009 11:03:55
Look its a good idea and lets hope Obahma accepts the invitation. However please make sure nobody mentions the historic connections between US immigrant Scots and the "other Klan" cause I don't he would be very impressed by that in this year of homecoming invitation to all expats!

For those who are unaware of that scar on US/Scots history heres the summary version -

It is believed that the movement started in the 1860s as a club for Confederate cavalry officers of Scots descent, before evolving into a secret society to inspire terror among freed slaves. Some Klan rituals are based on those of the secretive Society of the Horseman's Word, once active in north-east Scotland.
33

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 18/01/2009 11:13:22
In the Beginning was the Word.
34

brownlie,

18/01/2009 11:49:54
40 sm753

If annoying people is one of the purposes of your blog what are the other purposes?
35

Stan Butler,

18/01/2009 11:53:49

I hope no one mentions Burn's intention of becoming a slave driver.

Might stifle the conversation a wee bit.
36

brownlie,

18/01/2009 11:58:19
42 Stan

Quite right, if Obama knows British colonial history he'll never come and visit in the same way that the British never visit Germany.
37

bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 18/01/2009 13:23:34
#42 Brown’s Butler

The Slave's Lament

1792
Type: Poem

It was in sweet Senegal that my foes did me enthral,
For the lands of Virginia,-ginia, O:
Torn from that lovely shore, and must never see it more;
And alas! I am weary, weary O:
Torn from that lovely shore, and must never see it more;
And alas! I am weary, weary O.

Guess who wrote that?
38

brownlie,

18/01/2009 13:45:35
45 sm753

To ensure a degree of balance could you post unionist mythbusting? Would that take too long and would it annoy the few friends you've got {;-)}
39

Tricked into voting SNP, never again!,

18/01/2009 14:14:15
Alex Salmond is an embarassment to Scotland. Nothing will highlight his irrelevancy on the world stage since the last cringe worthy publicity stunt than this.

How many nations wrote back to him regarding his nuclear summit? Don't make me laugh.
40

Rufus-T-Firefly,

18/01/2009 14:35:12
49 Tricked into voting SNP, never again!,18/
Alex Salmond is an embarassment to Scotland.
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What are you talking about man?

What is embarrassing about Salmond inviting the the most powerful man in the world to eat haggis, neeps and tatties?

Its a great idea.

You can just picture the pair of them, sitting there, wearing their 'see you Jimmy' hats, drinking Irn Bru, discussing what happened in River City..............

What a coup it would be for Scotland.
41

brownlie,

18/01/2009 14:44:12
58 Rufus

That would be a bit of an improvement over Blair/Brown/Bush discussing how to murder innocents in Iraq.
42

Rufus-T-Firefly,

18/01/2009 14:52:42
I wonder what dessert would be?

Salmond could introduce Barack to the delights of the Deeep Fried Mars Bar.
43

brownlie,

18/01/2009 14:53:54
sm753

Probably best to avoid 'bust' or any connection with it in your blog. Gordon will be livid as he's done away with it and some nat is bound to take the mickey.
44

Gussie Fink-Nottle,

18/01/2009 14:57:39
Rufus 2 Dungfly, seems to sum up the worst aspects of the Scottish cringe, had Salmond ignored the momentous election of Obama, Rufus and his acolytes would have been screaming from the top of their lungs about it.

Given your comments at #58 it's obvious you've never been to a Burns Supper, then again as you appear to be sat at your computer all day creating such memorable urls as ulster.biz, we're not surprised.
45

brownlie,

18/01/2009 14:58:03
60 RTF

Mars being the god of war Salmond would speak strongly against it whilst Blair/Brown/Bush would be strongly in favour.

Blair/Brown/Bush could discuss the possibly of using smart(ies) weapons which kill the guilty and leave the innocents unharmed !

46

Rufus-T-Firefly,

18/01/2009 15:00:58
62 Gussie Fink-Nottle,18/01/2009 14:57:39
Given your comments at #58 it's obvious you've never been to a Burns Supper, then again as you appear to be sat at your computer all day creating such memorable urls as ulster.biz, we're not surprised.
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EH?

ulster.biz?

WTF you talking about?
47

Rufus-T-Firefly,

18/01/2009 15:02:18
62 Gussie Fink-Nottle,18/01/2009 14:57:39
Rufus 2 Dungfly, seems to sum up the worst aspects of the Scottish cringe, had Salmond ignored the momentous election of Obama, Rufus and his acolytes would have been screaming from the top of their lungs about it.
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Salmond would be as well ignoring Obama, because lets face it, Obama will certainly be ignoring Salmond.
48

bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 18/01/2009 15:02:40
#58
What a curiously juvenile concept you have of a Burns Supper.
Maybe it is because you are a rather curious juvenile?
49

Rufus-T-Firefly,

18/01/2009 15:05:47
Ah Bully Boy.

I provided the evidence the other night there of your ineptitude as you requested.

You disappeared shortly after it.

You finally come out of hiding?
50

Gussie Fink-Nottle,

18/01/2009 15:09:02
#66 It's obvious Rufus 2 Dungfly is awkward socially and has never been invited to a Burns Supper. Preferring to spend his time sitting in front of his manfat splattered keyboard in his crusty kegs pouring out bile on to t'internet.

#64 Oh I do apologise, are you not in the world of site engineering? Sorry if this has been answered before but what field of employment do you labour in?

#65 Yes we in the UK look forward to reports of Obama visiting 'England' and meeting the 'English' prime minister...Why on earth would the US president choose not to attend a Burns supper in honour of the worlds most celebrated poet?
51

bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 18/01/2009 15:11:13
“Evidence of my ineptitude”?

Was in this in one of your teenage fantasies?
52

Rufus-T-Firefly,

18/01/2009 15:14:39
As Burns himself once said...........

"Acting is all about honesty. If you can fake that, you've got it made."
53

ricky40,

18/01/2009 15:15:55
Oh, dear, Rufus has Brownlee taken you to the cleaners?
54

Rufus-T-Firefly,

18/01/2009 15:16:03
Here we go Bully Boy
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60 bully wee alba,Edinburgh 27/11/2008 09:36:02
Rufus gives us his insight into the world of football:-
“What happened to Celtic last night?
What an embarrassment.
1 point out of 54.
Dear oh Dear.”
He appears to know as much about football as he does about Scottish politics.
1 point out of 54?
In the Champions League Celtic have two points out of a possible 15.
I guess figures just aint Rufus’s thing.
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There you go Bully Boy. You showed yourself up to be the chump you are.

If you are going to correct someone then you really should make sure you are correct.

But not you, no.

You made a total fool of yourself once again.

Celtic have of course only ever gained 1 point out of 54 potential points in Champions League Away Games.

A commonly known statistic (by everyone apart from the chump that is Bully Boy).

Getting my original post deleted was a good move as it helped cover up the evidence of your ineptitude.

Unfortunately for you however your ineptitude still let you down as one of your posts had my original post pasted in it.

Nice try Bully but no cigar.

55

Rufus-T-Firefly,

18/01/2009 15:16:52
71 ricky40,18/01/2009 15:15:55
Oh, dear, Rufus has Brownlee taken you to the cleaners?
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No.

Any more questions?
56

Rufus-T-Firefly,

18/01/2009 15:18:14
HOOS POOS Gussie Fink-Nottle.

or rather HOOS POOS Aberdeenshire Scot.
57

Rufus-T-Firefly,

18/01/2009 15:22:03
Another famous Burns quotation.

"First you forget names, then you forget faces. Next you forget to pull your zipper up and finally, you forget to pull it down."
58

Gussie Fink-Nottle,

18/01/2009 15:24:00
#74, I'm rather afraid that yet again you have got the wrong end of the stick. Dear Aberdeenshire Scot is an intriguing cove and I can quite honestly state that I have never met him. We are not one and the same, I only ever post as Gussie Fink-Nottle. The idea of opening up several browsers and creating several identities, I'm afraid is the preserve of the special and the dribbling.

Have you registered bummaddogbigot.biz yet?
59

brownlie,

18/01/2009 15:25:45
71 Ricky

Nonsense!! I am very fond of Rufus and he is a valuable and respected asset to the cause!
60

Make love not unions,

18/01/2009 15:27:47
Gussie Fink-Nottle,18/01/2009 15:24:00
The idea of opening up several browsers and creating several identities, I'm afraid is the preserve of the special and the dribbling.
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I only ever post as Rufus-T-Firefly.

61

brownlie,

18/01/2009 15:32:15
78 Faker

Go away.
62

Rufus-T-Firefly,

18/01/2009 15:33:05
Bye Bye Celtic.
63

brownlie,

18/01/2009 15:33:46
79 sm753

So boom and bust was just a myth!!! Are you sure our Rufus is on your side?
64

bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 18/01/2009 15:36:52
#72
Is that your best shot?

I am fully aware of Celtic FC’s recent away record in Europe, and had your original post alluded to that, and that alone, I would have responded differently.

It is hardly my concern that your lack of erudition is a hindrance to you being able to post in an unambiguous manner.
65

Rufus-T-Firefly,

18/01/2009 15:37:51
sm753 can be sure I am on his side.

His blog is excellent.
66

Rufus-T-Firefly,

18/01/2009 15:40:15
83 bully wee alba,Edinburgh 18/01/2009 15:36:52
#72
Is that your best shot?
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No why?

67

Rufus-T-Firefly,

18/01/2009 15:41:01
83 bully wee alba,Edinburgh 18/01/2009 15:36:52
#72
I am fully aware of Celtic FC’s recent away record in Europe, and had your original post alluded to that, and that alone, I would have responded differently.
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HA HA HA HA HA

YEAH RIGHT!
68

Rufus-T-Firefly,

18/01/2009 15:42:43
Another Burns Quote written especially for you Bully Boy.

"By the time you are 80, you've learned everything. You only have to remember it."
69

brownlie,

18/01/2009 15:43:12
84 Rufus

Was boom and bust a myth and do you agree with sm753's contention that there are no unionist myths - not even financial shenanigans?
70

IainGlasgow,

18/01/2009 15:48:34
I wonder what the (unionist) comments on this story would be like (assuming there would even be a story) if Jack McConnell was still First Minister and inviting Barack Obama to a Burns supper.
71

Rufus-T-Firefly,

18/01/2009 15:55:04
Brownlie, certainly there has been financial shenanigans.

What myths are you referring to?
72

brownlie,

18/01/2009 16:00:42
90 Rufus

The ones that sm753 claims to be non-existent. He's obviously never heard of the mythical wmds. Did I ever mention that I find your postings highly amusing?
73

ricky40,

Anstruther 18/01/2009 16:25:27
RTF

What was that you were saying at posting 73?
74

Rufus-T-Firefly,

18/01/2009 16:31:04
91 brownlie,18/01/2009 16:00:42
90 Rufus
Did I ever mention that I find your postings highly amusing?
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Yes you did, so why repeat yourself?
75

Sandi,

San Diego 18/01/2009 16:33:05
"the President-elect shares some of the qualities of Scotland's national poet."

Robert Burns was a corrupt, clueless liar?

76

Rufus-T-Firefly,

18/01/2009 16:34:47
92 ricky40,Anstruther 18/01

Glad he keeps you amused.

Its good that you Natz are fed small scraps to keep you happy. We all know what happens when you get angry.

Certainly that poor girl Lucy in Aberdeen does.
77

brownlie,

18/01/2009 16:35:38
93 Rufus

In case you thought it was a myth.
78

Rufus-T-Firefly,

18/01/2009 16:38:24
94 Sandi,San Diego 18

And a misogynist.
79

Rufus-T-Firefly,

18/01/2009 16:39:15
96 brownlie,18/01/2009 16:35:38

What a mythtake that would be.
80

Rufus-T-Firefly,

18/01/2009 16:40:44
Observer is hogging a whole forum.

http://news.scotsman.com/politics/Ministers-prepare-to-tighten-immigration.4888110.jp
81

Rufus-T-Firefly,

18/01/2009 16:41:15
100 and practically punching the air with delight.
82

Rufus-T-Firefly,

18/01/2009 17:16:24
Somebody better get onto...........

http://news.scotsman.com/politics/Ministers-prepare-to-tighten-immigration.4888110.jp

Observer is talking to herself on there.

It is not healthy.
83

Benjamin,

Dresden 18/01/2009 17:44:18
Can't we wait to see what qualities Mr. Obama has as President until after he DOES SOMETHING as President, or even until he is ACTUALLY President? The man does not even take his post until Tuesday, for cripes sake!!!! Let's try to wait and see for once.
84

brownlie,

18/01/2009 17:45:36
95 Rufus

So the girl in Aberdeen was attacked by an angry nat because of something posted on this forum?

101 sm753
A myth is a traditional and/or legendary story. In this case the fact that it was just a stupid thing that the most senior Unionist politician in the land said means it will go down in British politics as both legendary and in the best unionist traditions.
85

brownlie,

18/01/2009 17:48:28
94 Sandi

I think Burns probably was a liar. Tam O'Shanter sounds more of a myth than the truth.
86

Rufus-T-Firefly,

18/01/2009 17:49:42
104 brownlie,18/01/2009 17:45:36
95 Rufus
So the girl in Aberdeen was attacked by an angry nat because of something posted on this forum?
===============================================

Really?

That seems a bit extreme.

Would not surprise me mind you.
87

Observer,,

Glasgow 18/01/2009 17:53:04
99/102 Methinks you take this posting lark a trifle too seriously dear. You've paid more attention to my post than I did.
88

Rufus-T-Firefly,

18/01/2009 17:55:12
107 Observer, welcome to the land of the living.

You looked a bit lonely on that other board.
89

Observer,,

Glasgow 18/01/2009 17:56:56
106 Someone reads a post on the Scotsman and is so enraged they go out, get drunk, and attack a young woman ? As theories go I have to say yours isn't really very good. I hope you're not a polis.
90

Observer,,

Glasgow 18/01/2009 17:58:26
108 thank you Rufus but I have been braving the elements taking the dogs out, not hanging about on a thread - I leave that to others.
91

Stan Butler,

18/01/2009 18:10:02

#44 Burns wrote that. He talked a good game. But I judge people by what they do not what they say.

Here's what Milton, a better poet than Burns, although English, might have had to say about Burns on this subject.

'For neither man nor angel can discern hypocrisy, the only evil that walks invisible, except to God alone.'


92

Rufus-T-Firefly,

18/01/2009 18:12:58
110 Observer,,

Dogs eh?

I hope you don't smoke in the same room as them.
93

brownlie,

18/01/2009 18:17:12
106 Rufus

The question mark at the end indicates that it was not a statement but a question in view of your previous statement at#95. Can you give proof that such was the case or whether it was a drunken hooligan motivated by innate malice rather than political beliefs?
94

brownlie,

18/01/2009 18:18:15
112 Rufus

Are the beagles and do they wear smoking jackets?
95

brownlie,

18/01/2009 18:19:01
115

That "the" should probably have been "they".
96

Observer,,

Glasgow 18/01/2009 18:21:27
112 I don't let them smoke, if that's what you mean.
97

brownlie,

18/01/2009 18:22:15
114 sm753

Ah, you've found what you consider to be a nationalist myth. It was probably be repeated ad nauseam by posters using a myriad number of different monikers.
98

Observer,,

Glasgow 18/01/2009 18:22:59
114 Gordon Brown : ''I want to encourage more risk taking''.



99

Thomas79,

Ayrshire 18/01/2009 18:29:56
Its interesting to note all the SNP haters usually do not tell us who they support instead. They tell us Alex Salmond is useless, embarrassing and a lier. Who would be a better FM then, do they support Iain Gray, would that make them proud, or Wendy Alexander, is she less embarrasing to them, what about good old Tavish, is he less useless. Do SM753 and RUFUS T FIREFLY YEARN FOR THE GOOD OLD LABOUR DAYS OF JACK MCCONNEL. He would never have invited anyone of any importance, because westminister would not let him. And they think the SNP are sad.
100

Poetess50,

18/01/2009 18:36:41
Obama has too much sense to waste time with Salmond.
101

Observer,,

Glasgow 18/01/2009 18:38:29
Sorry correction to 119 what he actually said was

''I want us to do EVEN MORE (my capitals) to encourage the risk takers'' (17 June 2004)

I've got some more.

''Last year we set out radical proposals for changing the way we regulate: minimising the administrative burdens of regulation........to a new approach based on risk ........I believe too we should consider how we can continue to extend our risk based approach, applying the concept of risk not just to the enforcement of regulation, but also to the design and indeed to the decision as to whether to regulate at all'' (5 June 2006)

Ed Balls : ''The FSA's risk-based regulatory approach is praised around the world and regularly cited as a strength for the UK'' and ''Some observers have urged us to go further and propose disclosure in hedge fund portfolio positions to regulators....I strongly believe this would be counterproductive'' (23 April 2007)

Ed Balls defending city bonuses ''If the city is doing well, we are all doing well. When it prospers, we all prosper'' (November 2006) Quite.

102

ricky40,

18/01/2009 18:47:57
121 Poetess

Do you know that for a fact or are you just making a rather silly comment ?
103

brownlie,

18/01/2009 18:52:28
122 Observer

If there were such a thing as unionist myth - which, of course, there aren't - these would, certainly, appear to qualify.
104

Observer,,

Glasgow 18/01/2009 18:58:15
125 I think these quotes are legendary, rather than mythical myself. They were so cocky, right up until the last moment.
105

Pass of Brander,

18/01/2009 19:01:22
I think Alex Salmond, as First Minister, is right to invite Barack Obama. It doesn't do any harm, it costs nothing and you never know?
106

Observer,,

Glasgow 18/01/2009 19:04:59
Here's another example of Labour cockiness before the fall starring Ed Balls (again).

''Our system of principles and risk-based regulation provides our financial services with a huge competetive advantage and is regarded as THE BEST IN THE WORLD (my capitals) when others argue that it is the UK which is making the mistake by allowing an excessively light touch in our regulation....I also disagree. To revert to more heavy-handed, detailed or mechanistic regulation which put process before substance would divert us from proper risk-assessment and stifle innovation. We do not intend to fall into that trap.'' (25 Oct 2006)
107

JoeMiddleton,

Edinburgh 18/01/2009 20:51:16
Good idea. The fact that Brit unionists see Scotland as being beneath contempt internationally does not mean the US necessarily agrees. There are a lot of Scots ex-pats in the US and no doubt President Obama could well find this invitation of interest and to his own advantage.
108

Pass of Brander,

18/01/2009 20:58:21
128 Joe

I think you are the nutter that constantly posts under multiple identities.

Alex Salmond is a joke, this idea silly, your assertion that Obama gives a sausage - pure fantasy.

Please get help, your obsession and agression over the independence issue is delusional. I've read your blogs, they are pure nonsense.
109

Observer,,

Glasgow 18/01/2009 21:15:57
129 Why would somebody who posts under their own name use mutiple monikers ? You are a weirdo.
110

Pass of Brander,

18/01/2009 21:19:09
Obsession. Wierdness. In an attempt to give the illusion that independence is a popular idea. This is why, but it's self-indulgent/self-delusional claptrap.

You are JoeMiddleton too. You can spot him, he always adds a location to his moniker.
111

Time to Show Courage,

Port Seton 18/01/2009 21:47:17
Our country is straining at the leash for fiscal autonomy. Please God, next year, we take the opportunity, and exercise our inalienable right to determine our own future and destiny.

I'm tired of reading pro-union posters riding on the wave of outrageously biased reporting from this "newspaper". Wake up, have the courage that our ancestors had, and give our children the future they deserve.
112

Time to Show Courage,

Port Seton 18/01/2009 21:49:38
If we had genuinely "free" and unbiased press, this country would be independent already. If only.........
113

Celyn,

19/01/2009 15:51:34
I think you're right, "Time to Show Courage". But, a free and unbiased press? Oh, if only!
114

W U Merchant,

Aberdeen 20/01/2009 07:00:56
Given the trouble he is in, Salmond would be better seeking friends closer to home.
115

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Carmichael, A.,

Glasgow 20/01/2009 10:31:45
There is much to be said for optimism and a belief that something is good and worth working toward. An optimist can create the situation for aspiration, while the pessimist can create only create the situation for an absence of aspiration. This is why nearly everyone in the world is looking to Obama because, in the aftermath of the failed and pessimistic world-view of the neo-conservative clique of the previous 8 years in America, there is the prospect for aspiration. An aspiration to something better than the fear, conflict, and base rhetoric. Obama has created the conditions for an aspiration to dialogue, a move to peace, and a recognition of interdependence.

Closer to home in Scotland, Labour continues with its aggressive rhetoric of unionism by championing fear and continues to play on people's uncertainty to justify their war and their failures to manage the UK eocnomy. Scotland can look to Obama for aspiration and also look toward independence as a way to aspire to the modern ideals of democracy, interdependence, and peace. Perhaps, if Scotland can aspire to something better than Labour's basic unionism then Obama could be inviting a Scottish Prime Minister for coffee and muffins at the White House. Now, that's something to aspire to.
117

Scotsman in Dublin,

20/01/2009 11:41:21
#124. Never a truer word said.
118

macca 316x2z,

Aldershot 20/01/2009 18:32:02
Dont understand all the protest why not promote Scotland to the world i for 1 would love people to realise there is far more to the UK than London. If we can get him to Edinburgh then why not!
119

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22/01/2009 09:28:51
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