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58 days that will change the world



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Published Date: 07 September 2008
IT'S the start of a world-changing political marathon, the like of which has never been seen before. Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama this weekend left their respective conventions behind, with the nominations of their parties under their belts, their running mates in harness and their fingers crossed.
What lies ahead is a slugfest; a bruising battle spanning all 50 states in which the two candidates and their proxies will appear at town hall meetings and TV studios, and clash in a series of engagements ahead of the November 4 election.

These st
art on September 26, when McCain and Obama face each other at the first 2008 presidential debate at the University of Mississippi. More than 70 million Americans are expected to tune in to watch the televised debate on domestic policy.

The presidential debates are the centrepiece of popular American democracy. Nearly 63 million people watched George W Bush debate John Kerry in 2004. The pundits may have been wrangling over the relative merits of the candidates for what seems like an eternity but for the public, the election starts here.

"The debates are very important," said Thomas Mann of the Brookings Institute. "Most Americans haven't been paying much attention so far but the debates are watched by tens of millions of people and give them the opportunity to see the candidates engaging with the issues that matter most to them."

For once, the vice presidential debate on October 2 will be just as closely watched. Sarah Palin proved herself a doughty fighter at the Republican Convention and the party machine hopes that the "pit bull in lipstick" will sink her fangs into the calves of Joe Biden. The debate will span foreign and domestic policy, and Biden could well show up Palin's inexperience in this area. But the fact that Palin is a woman brings its own problems; if Biden goes after her too strongly, the Democrat vice-presidential hopeful could come across as a bully; too soft and he risks sounding patronising or weak.

"It's a difficult balancing act to go after a woman, and Biden will have to be careful of that in their debate," says Elaine Kamarck, professor of politics at the Harvard Kennedy School and a former adviser to Al Gore and Bill Clinton.

During the next 58 days, Palin will also be tested in a wider electoral arena as she is introduced to the American public in a series of town hall meetings and TV interviews.

Will she be able to build on the bravura performance which wowed Republicans at the national convention? Or, without the aid of President Bush's scriptwriter, will she flounder?

The second presidential debate takes place on October 7 at Belmont University, Nashville, Tennessee, taking the format of a town hall meeting; with the final debate on foreign policy taking place on October 15, at Hofstra University, New York.

The conventions have clarified the distinct strategies being pursued by the parties.

The Democrats feel that they can nail the Republicans on policy: as the American economy slips into recession, they will hammer the Republicans' economic record; as the war in Iraq grinds on they will try to tie McCain to Bush's unpopular foreign policy.

The battle on the economy was emphasised by last week's news that unemployment in the US has risen again, to 6.1%.

"From now until the election, the Democrats will speak about the McCain-Bush administration at every turn," said Professor John G Geer of Vanderbilt University.

The economy is a major test of the Democrats' strategy. If they can't win the election in the teeth of a recession and an unpopular foreign war, then Democrat insiders will pour over the entrails of this election for years to come.

"Obama has to convince America that he can pull the country out of the economic doldrums; McCain has to convince America that he is not George Bush," said Kamarck.

For Republicans, the election is about two things: stealing the Democrats' mantra of 'change' and attacking the personality of their opponent. The selection of Palin, whose scornful, withering attack on Obama was one of the highlights of her speech, signals what is to come.

In his rather less exciting convention speech, McCain made it clear that he views Obama as an opponent rather than an enemy, and went out of his way to indicate his respect for him. Palin clearly thinks Obama is too pompous and intellectual to get elected, and her approach opens up a new and visceral battle line in the election.

"It will be a bruising battle," said Mann. "Palin has demonstrated that she is a pit bull and that she is prepared to use scorn, irony, to ridicule and attack. There is going to be nothing nice about the fight in the weeks ahead."

Accusations about Obama's patriotism, inexperience and personal ego will fly for the next 58 days.

As soon as the red, white and blue ticker tape settled on the last night of the Republican convention, and just hours after his speech, McCain and Palin boarded their campaign plane to take them on a tour of crucial swing states.

From here on in, they and Obama and Biden will spend their days visiting factories, community centres and church halls to address voters in the swing states, which will decide the 2008 election.

This year, more states than usual will come into play as both sides attempt to redraw the electoral map.

In their approach to the state by state battle, the parties are following different strategies. McCain is focusing on winning back the states such as Michigan, Pennsylvania and New Hampshire that were lost to Democratic presidential hopeful Kerry in 2004.

Obama's strategy follows on from the Primaries: he targets everyone and doesn't just aim for the big prizes like Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania. This chimes with his message of reaching out to everyone, but it has a literal cost: the Obama campaign is outspending McCain on advertising in swing states.

Certain states clearly have the potential to change the outcome of this election. With a high percentage of blue-collar, socially conservative "Reagan Democrats", Ohio will be especially interesting to watch this year.

"Obama must convince them that he understands not just their economic woes but also their social values; Palin's folksy charms could be deployed here for the Republicans to devastating effect.

If Obama is to succeed in his aim of returning the South to the Democrats, Virginia is key to the strategy. Local Democrats have experienced a resurgence in the state, with Democrat Senator Jim Webb returned there in 2006.

New Mexico will also be one to watch. The state, which borders McCain's Arizona, went to Gore in 2000 and to Bush in 2004. McCain's policy on the status of illegal immigrants is important here given the proximity to the Mexican border.

Other traditional battleground states include Florida, Pennsylvania and Michigan, badly hit by the economic downturn. Polls currently indicate that Florida will go to McCain while Obama is ahead in Pennsylvania and Michigan.

Less than two months to decide the result of the election, and the only thing that both Republicans and Democrats can agree on is that there is everything to play for.

Where Obama and McCain stand on key issues

ABORTION


McCain: Opposes abortion rights. Would not seek constitutional amendment to ban abortion.

Obama: Favours abortion rights.


AFGHANISTAN


McCain: Favours unspecified boost in US forces.

Obama: Would add about 7,000 troops to the US force of 36,000, bringing the reinforcements from Iraq. Has threatened unilateral attack on high-value terrorist targets in Pakistan as they become exposed.

DEATH PENALTY

McCain: Has supported expansion of the federal death penalty and limits on appeals.

Obama: Supports death penalty for crimes for which the "community is justified in expressing the full measure of its outrage".

GAY MARRIAGE

McCain: Opposes constitutional amendment to ban it. Says same-sex couples should be allowed to enter into legal agreements for insurance and similar benefits, and that states should decide about marriage.

Obama: Opposes constitutional amendment to ban it. Supports civil unions, says states should decide about marriage.

GLOBAL WARMING

McCain: Broke with Bush on global warming. Led Senate effort to cap greenhouse gas emissions; favours tougher fuel-efficiency standards. Favours plan that would see greenhouse gas emissions cut by 60% by 2050.

Obama: Ten-year, $150bn programme to produce "climate friendly" energy supplies that he'd pay for with a carbon auction requiring businesses to bid competitively for the right to pollute and aimed at cutting greenhouse gas emissions 80% by 2050. Joined McCain in sponsoring earlier legislation that would set mandatory caps on greenhouse gas emissions. Supports tougher fuel-efficiency standards.

GUN CONTROL

McCain: Voted against ban on assault-type weapons but in favour of requiring background checks at gun shows. Voted to shield gun-makers and dealers from civil suits. "I believe the Second Amendment ought to be preserved – which means no gun control."

Obama: Voted to leave gun-makers and dealers open to lawsuit. Also, as Illinois state lawmaker, supported ban on all forms of semi-automatic weapons and tighter state restrictions generally on firearms.

IRAN

McCain: Favours tougher sanctions, opposes direct high-level talks with President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Obama: Initially said he would meet Ahmadinejad without preconditions. He now says he's not sure but says direct diplomacy with Iranian leaders would give US more credibility to press for tougher international sanctions.

IRAQ

McCain: Opposes scheduling a troop withdrawal, saying latest strategy is succeeding.

Obama: Spoke against war at start, opposed troop increase. Voted against one major military spending bill in May 2007; otherwise voted in favour of money to support the war. Says his plan would complete withdrawal of combat troops in 16 months.

STEM CELL RESEARCH

McCain: Supports relaxing federal restrictions on financing of embryonic stem cell research.

Obama: Supports relaxing federal restrictions on financing of embryonic stem cell research.

TAXES

McCain: Pledged not to raise taxes, then equivocated, saying nothing can be ruled out in negotiating compromises to keep Social Security solvent.

Obama: Raise income taxes on wealthiest and their capital gains and dividends taxes. Raise corporate taxes. $80 billion in tax breaks mainly for poor workers and elderly.

Head to head

McCain v Obama TV debates

September 26, October 7 and 15

Palin v Biden

October 2

Election Day

November 4


$10m

Money said to have been raised by Obama's campaign on Thursday following the Republican National Convention speech by Palin. The Republican National Committee said it had raised well in excess of $1m.

Source: AP








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1

weeshooie1,

Wollongong 07/09/2008 03:09:01
The real Sarah Palin:

http://community.adn.com/adn/node/130537

I received the whole transcript in an email entitled 'This is the famous email that went world wide' and it certainly bears discussion. This Anne Kilkenny is a straight shooter. See what You think.
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Whitecaps,

Vancouver, Cda 07/09/2008 03:50:16
#1 weeshooie1

Why to you post this cr*p as if it's the gospel? You are assuming this woman who wrote this hatchet job on Palin was not out to impress her out of state acquaintances when she hit the send button.

Anyone can type up their opinion about their brush with greatness and send out a wrongful e-mail to several people in their address book; it does not mean that e-mail is accurate.

We can both agree this person is not one of the 80-90% of Alaskans that approve of Governor Palin.
3

Mashimaro,

China 07/09/2008 05:40:48
Change... HAH!
4

weeshooie1,

Wollongong 07/09/2008 05:44:36
All I can say is that I received the information from a good friend from over your way whom I can trust 100% and who would not knowingly send me utter cr*p. It is also good to see what other people think at times as opinions do differ.
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Jim A,

07/09/2008 06:31:13
#3 Mashimaro, and HAH! to you too. ?
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mike - across the pond,

weeshooie 1 07/09/2008 06:32:24
let me get this straight....

under Palin, revenues grew 38% and expenditures grew 33%... and cut tax rates....

just doing the math....
revenues grew 5% more than expenditures.... while cutting tax rates... sounds like Reaganomics to me....

she built a "sports complex"... for 15M... a mayor cant arbitrarily spend city funds... city council had to approve it... even if it WAS her idea...

the "librarian": theres another story out there on that one... having to do with consolodating their library and city museum.... librarian opposed it, Palin showed her the door... librarian decided that she could get behind housing the museum in her library.... librarian kept her job....

5M on roads... there are far worse things to spend money on than roads...

it says "very ugly stories circulated around town about shenanigans she pulled to be made point guard on the high school basketball team".... her team won the state title... evidently her "shenanigans" profited more than just her.....

the "letter" smacks of somebody reaching for their "15 minutes of fame".....
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11+failed,

the pans 07/09/2008 09:22:29
Great that Obama destroyed the vaulting presidential hopes of the heinous Hillary and her disgusting Clinton dynasty baggage. Even better, the lack lustre McCain campaign has been energised by the addition of a talented woman as running mate.
8

Mcsnagpile,

07/09/2008 10:25:30
The political points in the editorial are dumbed down points for dumbed down masses. The whole campaign has the intellectual credibility of a gnat. The real hidden agenda is not negotiable regardless of who gets in.
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bluehead,

edinburgh 07/09/2008 10:58:09
things can only get worse,this must be the worst choice
the Americans have had,I've never heard such trash,I think a tramp taken from the streets would do a better job than what is on offer here,I think it will not be God bless America,instead it will be God help America
10

jkr,

Lochwinnoch Greater Glasgow 07/09/2008 12:56:38
The Democrats have missed it. It should have been Hilary for President and Obamin for VP. He would then have the experience 4 or 8 years later to possibly take over.
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Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi,

San Francisco 07/09/2008 13:45:27
#10 jkr

Either way they would loose. Hillary won in liberal New York but never on the National Ticket. Why would we ant to elect someone with no executive experience? Just because she is married to a poor ex president?

I guess you think all wives are quailfied to do their husbands jobs and vise versa? Barack is all talk, no substance.
12

Kelvino,

Frostbite Falls, NY 07/09/2008 14:05:19
Imagine what another unplanned Palin event would do for the Republican party, having to take over for a mentally-failing Pres. McCain.

Sarah Palin. . . COMMANDER IN CHIEF ?

Good God, "conservatives," think what you are setting up here ! You might consider initiating impeachment proceedings right now. . . . The Republican party would NEVER undo the public humiliation of having a complete incompetent assume the Presidency.
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celtic4,

USA 07/09/2008 14:56:39
#9, I noticed Edinburgh on your post. God help America? He always HAS helped us, and always will. Thank you.
14

Eboneesha,

07/09/2008 15:49:29
#12 Kelvino the freak

And you think B. Obama is ompetent?
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Eboneesha,

07/09/2008 15:53:46
Barack Hussein Obama thinks there are 58 states in the USA. Here in the video he says he has already visted 57 with one more to go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrsBKGpwi58

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Eboneesha,

07/09/2008 15:59:46
Here the idiot Barack Hussein Obama first says via satelite during the zombie watching DNC that he is in Kansas City then changes his mind to St. Louis, then back to Kansas City.

I wonder if it's illegal drug use?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8rDWLfEnh8

17

Eboneesha,

07/09/2008 16:02:38
Obama - I don't want my daughters "punished with a baby"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbZJYWjkAPo
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Kelvino,

NY 07/09/2008 16:15:09
#14

Glad that I made a favorable impression. . . .

And no, I do not think that Obama is "all-powerful" (is this what you meant by your invented word ?) but he would appear to be a more reasonable choice than the "Rocky & Bullwinkle" show we are seeing from the Republican side.

Republicans should beware what they are putting in place. Sarah is indeed a great side-show selection, but she will not be able to come back with anything but bitter Ann Coulter-style remarks when challenged in actual discussion and/or debate. This, of course, will be her undoing and be a public disgrace for the Republicans. She may be a "looker," but she has no depth, compassion nor real understanding of the plight of working America outside of Alaska. She is, however, known as a very effective politician, able to bob and weave to cover her daily changes in belief and direction.

This will also be revealed in the coming weeks.

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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 07/09/2008 16:50:24
bluehead in #9 is correct. the quality of our presidential candidates is seriously declined this time. the candidates are expected to be puppets anyway if elected. That is why Palin is no problem for the republicans.

McCain finished almost last in his class at the naval academy. he was a poor pilot who couldn't follow simple instructions and that's why he lost 5 jets as a pilot as well as caused the USS Forrestal disaster that killed 168 Americans. He was a collaborator for the communists in north vietnam, made 21 propaganda tapes that were broadcast.

Palin has a track record of firing people at the drop of a hat. She expands the size of government, produces government debt, always supports subsidies, in this way she's more of a democrat, in Alaska she was at odds with her own party. I'm not making that up, she fired an entire commission of people who were in charge of dairy subsidies because they didn't favor the lavish subsidies that Palin favored. Then she hired a new commission who also disagreed with her. Then the state legislature including many of the democrats were against her on that issue. The republicans in Alaska were against the subsidies and she was for them. She ended up losing on that issue though she fired several people to try to get her way. Dairy subsidies & Palin. and Palin has a long track record both as Mayor and Governor of flat-out lying to the public.

Biden is in bed with oil companies. Biden, Obama and McCain ave a track record of supporting the ethanol subsidies which is a genocide program to the world's poor. Thirty thousand people starve to death every single day. The US ethanol subsidies are the biggest factor driving up the price of raw foods that cause this. How stupid and arrogant a people are that expect that god will bless them when they do this to poor people.

All these candidates are perfect puppets, that's why they've been selected to be where they're at. In the low-class vernacular so popular in
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of babylon (USA) 07/09/2008 16:51:07
In the low-class vernacular so popular in America today the American people are being punked by their own rulers and given low-quality leaders like this so that they won't have leaders, but the real rulers behind the scenes will have puppets instead.

Watch the proud and dumbed down Americans wave their flags and cheer for their own destruction.
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Regina,

NH, USA 07/09/2008 17:13:22
#18 Kelvino

Seems like you just don't like women speaking their mind. Ref: your attack of Ann Coulter.

What's the matter? I guess you prefered it much better when the liberals only controlled the airwaves and before the internet gave people more information than just the liberal big 3 on TV and the corrupt Newspapers.

You mention Ann Coulter but how many times have you mentioned Michael Moore, Keith Oberman, Al Gore, Chris Matthews, John Kerry, the list goes on with liberals who say nasty comments all the time.
23

Regina,

NH, USA 07/09/2008 17:15:01
#20 Wally

Which branch of military did you serve to become such an an expert?
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07/09/2008 17:17:53
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Wally,

By The Rivers of babylon (USA) 07/09/2008 17:27:41
Regina, I just don't think it proper that a man who collaborated be elected president. Did you read the links I put up more than once showing the department of defense letterhead paper that had the transcripts of some of his propaganda tapes he did? I was in McCain's presence once back in summer of 1982 when he first ran in the republican primary for congress in my district. He ridiculed Jane Fonda for being a collaborator. I had no idea that he was a collaborator also.

I don't blame someone for breaking under torture, but we should keep in mind that McCain broke particularly badly and much more quickly than most. and it is a bad practice to elevate such a person to the top spot.

McCain also gave info of military significance. This helped the North Vietnamese to be more effective at shooting down Americans. This is not my opinion. This is the view of people who served with him. I put up links more than once. One of his fellow prisoners in the Hanoi prison named him 'songbird'.
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07/09/2008 17:32:24
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Kelvino,

NY 07/09/2008 18:06:13
Regina:

All of the names you mentioned are also profiteering blowhards. Ann Coulter makes her living by spreading
misinformation, as do all of the others. Their BS is their stock-in-trade; it's what they sell, it's what has made them wealthy. . . . and is NOT to be trusted as truth, just considered within the general public dialogue. I hold women in the highest regard and see no reason why an intelligent woman should be prevented from attaining the highest offices. However, Sarah is NOT the woman and neither is Hillary ! Do you really want what Rush Limbaugh calls a "babe" to have to step in as commander-in-chief ?
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 07/09/2008 20:24:27
Regina, I've put up lots of links here, if you go back in time on other 'US Elections' articles and read. John McCain himself will not disagree with me. I put up links that will allow you to find what he himself wrote about it. One of his fellow prisoners called him 'songbird'. They make the accusations. The transcripts of the propaganda tapes are on Department of Defense letterhead. You can find them from the links I gave. View the 5-part video by Colonel Hopper. Read the article written by Colonel Hackworth.

Like I said, I don't blame him for breaking or for collaborating with the propaganda tapes. However, giving them militarilly valuable info was something I feel comfortable blaming him for. I just think that when a man breaks sooner and worse than 95% of the others that we should remember and not elevate him.

The people who rule our country purposely give us bad leaders. and then they get us fighting between each other as we do, supporting either of the 2 parties, that both give us bad leaders. Go read the links I already put up.

and its not just that he collaborated. While he was a US Senator he did not take the cause of the American men still held prisoner in vietnam, laos or cambodia. he declared them dead though evidence is that some were alive. This is why the vietnam veterans so hate John McCain. Just as the firemen of New York city hated Rudy Guiliani, Guiliani made decisions that cost the lives of many people on September 11, yet he's portrayed as a hero of september 11. McCain is the same way.

If you want to be ignorant Regina, just turn on the tv and drink in the kool-aid. If McCain is elected there will be hard-core communists the world over (including in America) who will laugh and laugh.
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Henry II,

North Shore 07/09/2008 21:25:55
#26 Regina,NH

There are several that do not really believe Wally is an American from the constant bashing he does toward the USA. I just think he spews hateful comments so he feels welcomed by some of the radicals and communists that leave similar lies and conspiracy theories.
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57Nomad,

california 07/09/2008 21:52:27
#9 bluehead

Hey thanks for your interest in our well-being. Quite noble. Gotta question for you. Did those missing 100,000 ballots in your election ever get found?
31

57Nomad,

07/09/2008 22:10:15
#18 kel into the vino

the Kelver said:

"she will not be able to come back with anything but bitter Ann Coulter-style remarks when challenged in actual discussion and/or debate. This, of course, will be her undoing and be a public disgrace for the Republicans."


Is that right? Damn! I am so sorry that I ever aimed one single uncomplimentary word in your direction. I had no idea you could predict with such detailed accuracy what will happen in the future. There's a rare gift. Don't go to Las Vegas because they will throw your ass out of there for sure after you make a run of fifty or sixty correct bets on the roulette table.

Now that I've apologized, I'm wondering who the Super Bowl teams will be? Maybe you could help me out with the winner and point spread too. Come on, be a guy, help me out here.
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 07/09/2008 22:10:47
Brage...thy name is GugaII..Tell the truth for a change. Did you get banned from here?
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mike - across the pond,

breathe wally 07/09/2008 23:46:46
lets see if I can get all these Wally-isms right

I supposedly think that we should gather up all the corn in the world and make ethanol out of it... never said it... never THOUGHT it.... however if you talk to dieticians more than a few of them think rather loudly that we probably SHOULD do just that.... and europeans regard corn as a livestock feed.... the japanese wont allow livestock fed american corn in their borders (look up BT corn)

I'm supposed to be blindly in favor of unlimited ethanol subsidies... please find that... actually I'm pretty middle of the road with regards to ethanol... now if you had said ELECTRICITY... I'd proudly say "guilty as charged"... but you didnt...

I'm supposedly all for the fed being able to do whatever they want... please find that one too... the fed aint the best thing, but I certainly dont want to go back to the fiscal policies that led us into the great depression...

I think you'll be looking for these for a LOOONG time, because with the possible exception of ethanol... I'm not on the other side of you on these...
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07/09/2008 23:51:41
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mike - across the pond,

wally.... your songbird... 08/09/2008 00:29:25
first...
what "secret" do you think McCain gave up... need I remind you he was a POW for 2 weeks before he broke... any intel he might have provided was OLD NEWS by then....

Second....
its fascinating how people who never spent a single hour suffering the horrors of being a POW are passing judgement on "the best of (others) ability" to resist...

its really beyond pathetic wally...

I dont know how to help you with your vitriol regarding mccain...

I'm afraid that if I use reason... you'll go all deep end but here goes...

do you know any alcoholics?
have any of those alcoholics you know "fallen off the wagon"?
what do your christian belief tell you about how you should deal with them?
do you treat THEM with the same disdain you treat McCain with regards to his POW shortcommings?
how does THAT sit with your belief structure?

enough with the shots across the bow...

here comes amidships....

wally, what does your christian beliefs say about your incessent gossip mongering? (daily kos...)

wally, what does your christian beliefs say about your unrepentant rumor mongering? (huffington post...)

wally, does the term HYPOCRITE chafe?

wally you HAVE to stop drinking the koolaid or you are going to be spending a LOOOOONNNNGGG time in pergatory (or whatever you want to call it) pal...
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mike - across the pond,

wally you are laughable 08/09/2008 03:29:02
you equate John McCain and Jane Fonda... HOW SAD

how long did Jane spend in the Hanoi Hilton?

how many broken bones did jane have when she collaberated?

how do you equate jane's failure and collaberation with "resisting to the best of her ability" with McCains?

McCain admits that he failed

does Jane? no... janes only admission of failure is an ayers-esque "I didnt do enough"

jane is a SLIME BALL...
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08/09/2008 06:50:56
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08/09/2008 15:10:08
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 08/09/2008 19:06:41
Your off the wall. This tiny country surrounded by huge countries is going to control what? This is a huge conspiracy.. Maybe you should get in contact with Weird Wally. I'm sure he could provide all the wild left wing links you need, so you can substantiate your claim.
People like your are here to do one thing..INCITE..
You tell lies, and half truths, and lie by omission.
But I digress, while you're asking Weird Wally for the links, be sure to tell him what size head you have. I am sure he has an extra tin foil hat for you.
In the meantime, I'll check my history book for the truth, and I advise the others to do the same.
To even suggest that Scotsman is in collusion is laughable, ask their reporter Ben Lynfield, as most of his articles are against Israel.
Try Again
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 08/09/2008 19:07:45
Sorry...above post was meant for #38
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mike - across the pond,

brage.... 08/09/2008 19:16:49
any more than the tin-foil-cap-liner crowd want to silence the conventional line of thought with endless breathless "magic bullet" conspiracy theories????

JFK conspiracy theorists piled up MOUNTAINS of "evidence" that stood unassailed for YEARS... until recently when it has pretty much been PROVEN beyond the shadow of a doubt that LHO acted alone... and there was no "magic bullet"... no "grassy knoll" no 2nd shooter.... just straight hard line physics... and a lunatic senseless killing...
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09/09/2008 11:07:20
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Enquiring Scot ,

09/09/2008 13:15:27
#42 Alec

Sounds like a couple guys who might have been in Vietnam named themselves "Vietnam veterns against John McCain" but it does not seem like they are the voice for the majority of your veterns.
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09/09/2008 15:06:41
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American,

09/09/2008 21:59:45
#19-brage-lol! you hitler-type jew haters simply amaze me with your stupidity. BTW-obama is a palestinian sympathizer and a recently admitted "devout" muslim. muslims dont like jews.

 

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