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Raising Arizona - McCain's backyard bid to beat Obama



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Published Date: 31 August 2008
AT AROUND seven in the evening, the desert rocks begin to glow a bright crimson and the setting sun splays distended shadows across the baked earth. "This is where the power spot is strongest," says Hugh Hoglan. "Put your hands around the earth ball."
The sound of a Native American flute drifts on the breeze as our small group sits in silent meditation. Following our guide's instructions, we cup our hands around an invisible sphere, feeling for power emanations.

We're sitting in the heart of a "power vortex" near Boynton overlooking the Arizona town of Sedona. Since 1981, when psychic Page Bryant pronounced that Sedona is "the heart chakra of the planet", it has been a source of pilgrimage for those in search of enigmatic truths.

It is an unlikely place to come looking for a Republican candidate for the presidency of the United States. But John McCain, war hero, political maverick, Senator for Arizona and candidate for the highest office in the land, is nothing if not an enigma.

And Sedona, which seems to have been teleported from the wackiest reaches of California to the middle of the bone-dry Arizona desert, is bang in his back yard.

McCain, who will be formally adopted as his party's candidate at the Republican National Convention starting tomorrow in Minneapolis-St Paul, owns a house with his millionaire second wife, beer heiress Cindy, in nearby Hidden Valley.

To the delight and dismay of the town's residents, McCain, who recently seemed confused over the exact number of properties he owns, has put his Sedona ranch at the centre of his campaign.

It is here – rather than one of his other six houses (three beach-front apartments in California, a three-bedroom apartment in Virginia, two apartments amalgamated to create a deluxe 7,000 square foot home, with indoor and outdoor swimming pools, in Phoenix) – that McCain comes to fire up his barbecue and cook slabs of red meat for local dignitaries, journalists and politicians.

If McCain is elected president, Hidden Valley will become as famous as George W Bush's Crawford ranch or the Kennedy Compound in Hyannis Port, Massachusetts.

It is the second time that Sedona's dramatic natural landscape has become the backdrop to a McCain presidential bid. When he quit the race to become the Republican presidential candidate in 2000, McCain made his concession speech in front of the world's media at Sedona's Mesa Airport, in a natural amphitheatre created by the towering red rocks.

ONCE a Republican stronghold, Arizona has become more volatile, voting for Democrat Bill Clinton in 1996 and for Bush in 2000 and 2004. The state's changing fortunes are mirrored in the transformation of its capital, 119 miles to the south of Sedona and just an hour or so from the Mexican border.

Phoenix is a sprawling monster, the fastest expanding metropolis in the country, with the average temperature and intimate charm of a baking oven.

In 1950, Phoenix covered 17.1 square miles. Today it covers 515 square miles and is home to almost four million people. If Sedona is McCain's unlikely backyard, this sprawling business and political hub is his front office, the place where he has his state headquarters, where he meets, greets and does the deals which have sustained his position for 26 years.

Dan Nowicki, political reporter at the Arizona Republic newspaper, has traced the development of the state's capital, and McCain's complex connections with it.

He says: "Arizona is changing. It used to be a more reliably Republican state but as people have come in from other states, they have taken their politics with them. McCain has the same problem with Republicans in Arizona as he has with Republicans in the rest of the country."

McCain's candidacy is based on a carefully cultivated reputation as a maverick, emphasised on Friday with his choice of little-known Sarah Palin, Alaska's female governor, as his running mate.

He is the Republican who spoke out against torture in Abu Ghraib, who sponsored a campaign finance bill which clipped the wings of lobbyists and corporations.

At 72, he would be America's oldest first-term president. He is the Republican who is palatable to liberals, the war hero whose imprisonment and torture in a Hanoi prison 40 years ago earns him respect today across the political spectrum.

But there is a darker side to McCain: his career has been entwined with lobbyists and special interests.

The Obama camp points out that his presidential campaign team contains so many lobbyists that at least four have had to resign. They included Doug Goodyear, McCain's convention chair, who had worked for a company paid to improve the image of Burma's military junta.

Thomas Mann, a senior fellow with Washington think-tank the Brookings Institute, says: "He is conservative enough on social and foreign policy, and some economic policy, to appeal to those elements, while also deploying the occasional liberal view, which appeals to independents and undecideds."

It's a powerful brand and one that McCain is pushing as hard as he can, but it may not survive the election.

To win the presidency, McCain now needs to build bridges with those parts of the Republican family he snubbed to win the primaries.

The outspoken, formidably driven candidate, who quipped as recently as four years ago that the problem with the Religious Right is "it is neither", has set his sights firmly on winning their backing.

Just a few weeks ago he agreed to a Q&A session with Pastor Rick Warren at Saddleback Church in California. McCain has been a member of a Southern Baptist church for 10 years. In front of the crowd, he pledged that if he gets into the White House, he will preside over a Christian, anti-abortion administration.

Unlike Bush, McCain is not a born-again Christian. There are no prayer meetings in his camp. The candidate is saying what he needs to say to get elected.

Though McCain may be making inroads with Christians, he may yet become the victim of his own character traits, including a legendary temper.

"He is notorious in Arizona for bearing a grudge," says biographer Matt Welch, who wrote McCain: The Myth Of A Maverick after developing a deep fascination with the contradictory politician. "If you cross him, he doesn't forget – he's like an elephant.

"But he is just as famous for his showy acts of conciliation; luxurious gift baskets saying 'I'm sorry I blew up at you'.

"A large part of him and his appeal is that he feels he can talk himself out of anything and he is notoriously fearless when challenged."

Arizona and Washington are full of stories of people who have fallen out with the man dubbed "Senator hothead", from colleagues told to "f*** off, you asshole" on the Senate floor, to a journalist's father who was allegedly warned that his public works job would be on the line if his daughter continued writing critical articles about McCain.

Cliff Schecter, author of The Real McCain, tells a story from 1992 about McCain reacting badly to his wife's teasing him about his growing bald spot: "At least I don't plaster on the make-up like a trollop, you c***."

Among McCain's former colleagues, former Republican Congressman John LeBoutillier says: "I think he is mentally unstable and not fit to be president."

There is little doubt in which direction President McCain's finger would itch: Iran. Asked in a town-hall meeting in South Carolina, "When are we going to send an airmail message to Tehran?", McCain responded with a chilling ditty sung to the tune of the Beachboys' 'Barbara Ann': "Bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran."

A MIXTURE of political ambition and emotion drew the volatile John McCain to Arizona. If the young McCain had a home it was the Navy. He was born on the Coco Solo Naval Air Station in the Panama Canal Zone.

After an undistinguished stint at the United States Naval Academy at Annapolis where he emerged 894th out of a class of 899, he requested a combat assignment: in 1967 he was sent to fight in Vietnam.

On October 26, 1967 he was shot down over Hanoi and spent the next five and a half years as a prisoner of war in the infamous "Hanoi Hilton".

Offered early release because of his father's position as commander of US forces in Vietnam, McCain refused unless his fellow prisoners were also set free.

He has never entirely recovered from his torture in Vietnam. His stiff-limbed gait and inability to raise his arms above his shoulders are lasting effects of his ill-treatment. When he was released to the US in 1973 his marriage to his first wife Carol fell apart and he began dating Cindy Lou Hensley, a teacher from Phoenix and heiress to the Anheuser-Busch beer fortune. McCain's divorce from Carol came through in 1980; a month later he married Cindy.

His first civilian job was as vice-president of public relations at his new father-in-law's company. He got to know key figures in the Arizona business community and, in 1982, he ran for Congress.

A newcomer to the state, McCain was repeatedly accused of being a carpetbagger. At one meeting his temper snapped: "Listen, pal. I spent 22 years in the Navy. My father was in the Navy. My grandfather was in the Navy. We in the military service tend to move a lot. We have to live in all parts of the country, all parts of the world. I wish I could have had the luxury, like you, of growing up and living and spending my entire life in a nice place like the First District of Arizona, but I was doing other things. As a matter of fact, when I think about it now, the place I lived longest in my life was Hanoi."

McCain won the election: his political career had begun.

AT THE beginning of the last century the small farming community of Cottonwood was famous for having the best bootlegged booze in the Southwest, attracting visitors from as far afield as California and drawing patched cowboys and prospectors out of the desert.

Today its run-down main street couldn't be a bigger contrast with Sedona just 18 miles away. Pawnbrokers, fast food outlets, gun shops and cheque cashing kiosks jostle for space in a tableau of decline. Unemployment is high and the community struggles with a crystal meth problem.

Farm worker Dick Randel grew up in Cottonwood and remembers its more romantic past as a cowboy staging post. "For a politician McCain sure talks a lot of sense. I admire him, he has life experience, and he speaks out for what he believes in," he says. Other Cottonwood residents cite McCain's support for gun rights, his anti-abortion stance and his desire to stay in Iraq until the job is done.

But there are signs in this shabby backwater that McCain's campaign could also falter through a simple lack of interest. Donell Welcott, a Tucson native visiting relatives, looks blank when asked how she would vote in the forthcoming presidential election. "I wouldn't vote for Obama. No way. He's a Muslim," she says squinting in the sunny main street.

When I point out that the Democratic presidential candidate is a Christian, she shakes her head dismissively. And what about John McCain? "Who? We don't do politics in my family."

FOR McCain, family and politics are deeply intertwined. The wealthy Cindy, with whom he signed a prenuptial agreement ring-fencing her fortune, seems to be McCain's human face.

McCain has four children with Cindy, including their youngest, Bridget, a 17-year-old high school student, who the couple adopted after Cindy visited an orphanage in Bangladesh and brought the child back to the USA for surgery to correct a cleft palate.

Their son Jimmy joined the Marines to fight in Iraq last year. (McCain's children with Carol – he adopted her two sons and also had a daughter with her – are now in their forties.)

Insiders claim that Cindy will be a traditional First Lady. The blonde heiress may come across as tightly wrapped but in 1994 she revealed her addiction to prescription pain killers, and confessed to locking herself in the bathroom to pop four or five times the daily amount.

It was an addiction sustained first by getting different doctors to write her parallel prescriptions, then by stealing the drugs from her own non-profit medical relief organisation.

To glimpse a little of the domestic life which Cindy and John McCain enjoy you must drive down a sweeping dirt track off the road to nearby Cornville, between Sedona and Cottonwood.

At the end of the dusty road, boards warn trespassers to keep out and a long winding driveway lined with trees with low hanging branches obscure the view from the road.

One neighbour, who asked not to be named, confesses she can't wait for the election to be over. "And I hope McCain doesn't get it." Why? "Because living here will be unbearable if he does."


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1

brian mcc,

Gilmore 31/08/2008 02:35:56
'I think he is mentally unstable and not fit to be president.'

His choice of Sarah Palin, Alaska governor as the republican running mate, is shocking.

Alaska and Canada are home to many natives and the rituals and beliefs are similar to those referred in the article.

Palin is a bright star of the north, I hope she doesn't get elected, we don't need the secret service and the circus it brings to protect the house she calls home. Wasilla, a modest residence. She dismissed the chef of the Alaska mansion in Juneau. 'I can cook for myself, thank you.'

The secret service, responsible for the protection of the executive branch welcomes the challenge to duty. They are relieved she only owns 1 home. Multiply the 3 ring circus X the 7 properties McCain claims via the 'Queen of Beer.'
2

Kelvino,

NY 31/08/2008 02:55:29
God save us from McNutt and his new VP "intern."
This has got to be a result of those "four hour erections" we are warned against in those TV Viagra commercials !
3

Johnnyf,

Scotland 31/08/2008 04:12:50
Your elections for voting for "The Most Powerful Man in the World" scare but yet amuse me. Anyway, has Vladimir Putin not got that job? Just think when the oil tap get's switched off?
Hilary Clinton's voters threatening to vote for the sad old man, who will probably be the next President,just wouldn't happen in the UK. I can just imagine Gordon Brown's supporters saying "Well if David Milliband takes over, we are voting for David Cameron". Doesn't happen in a truly democratically elected government.
I've put a bet on Obama not even being there come November. Sad, but I only got 10/11 odds on that one.
4

Wally,

By The Rivers Of babylon (USA) 31/08/2008 04:47:27
If you load up this link below, then you can look at the building where Sarah Palin got 6 years of 'executive experience'. She was mayor of Wasilla, Alaska just less than 3 years ago. Lynne said she has 8 years of executive experience. She's been governor less than 2. So I assume that the city hall building in Wasilla is the building where she has 6 years of 'executive experience'. She was mayor of Wasilla for quite some time. population - 9,000.

http://www.the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=4045

You'll have to scroll down. and you can see one of the major businesses too in Wasilla. Word is that a lot of the 9,000 actually live outside the urban area as the city limits are drawn very big and include some farms.
5

Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 31/08/2008 05:14:05
http://www.adn.com/news/politics/story/510249.html

the people of Alaska were evidently stunned by her selection. Read article from Alaska.

I'm not going to re-post links about her scandals, as I did it already in previous articles. In the last 3-4 months its been non-stop scandal for Palin in Alaska. she wanted to fire her brother-in-law who was state police officer. she and her staff repeatedly hinted to the state police commissioner to fire him. The state police commissioner did an investigation to determine if he should fire the guy. He decided not to fire him. Then the police commissioner was fired by governor Palin. Then they hired new police commissioner who did fire the brother-in-law. Along the way she lied massively to the people in Alaska about it all and was then proven to be a liar. Then she admitted she lied. They did a poll in Alaska, 87% said she did lie about it all. I posted link of local tv video on this previously.

She also fired a guy in her office because he was dating a married woman going through a divorce.

She also fired an entire commission of people who were governing dairy subsidies. She wanted more subsidies, they wanted less. She was unhappy, she fired them. The new commission members also decided it was best to have less subsidies, the state legislature agreed with the new commission, the governor lost out on that issue. as did all the commission members she fired.

She recently told the public she was against what Alaskans call the 'bridge to nowhere', listing it as one of her credentials in being against big-spending. It was going to cost almost $400 million. She is on record by newspapers in Alaska as saying she favors the bridge to nowhere when she ran for governor 2 years ago. That was when the US Congress was going to pay for almost all of it. Then the US Congress cut back the subsidy dramatically and expected Alaska to pay for most of it. Then she was against it (along with the Alaska state legi
6

Wally,

By The Rivers Of babylon (USA) 31/08/2008 05:22:35
here's 1 more link.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/29/163234/559/495/579213

They're saying she goes to a dominion christian church. Hilary clinton goes to a dominion christian church in Washington DC called 'the family' along with many US congressmen & senators - that was reported in the American magazine mother Jones. The dominion christians say that god gave them the right to take over the government and to start pre-emptive wars. The bible says the world is made in such a way that evil people will rule the institutions of man. But dominion christians don't care. Dominion christians ally themselves with neo-cons and christian zionists.
7

Johnnyf,

Scotland 31/08/2008 05:40:11
#6 Wally
Wasn't Charles Manson's crew also called "The Family".
WOW! Scary Sh*t this is.
Great points you made here though.
You guys live in a different world. No, seriously.
8

Media 1,

cape town 31/08/2008 08:01:46
That photograph pure evil!
Look at them. Waving to the photographers pretending to be upstanding guardians of American freedom in the name of the people. When in fact they are nothing more than war mongering monsters.
9

Neil,

Glasgow 31/08/2008 13:36:17
Obama had better be careful about implying corruption in McCain. Obama is the loyal senator elected by the Chicago political machine, one of the most corrupt in the country. His wife got promoted to be a $300,000 a year diversity inspector in the Chicago Health Board when he became a senator. The mortgage on his house was arranged by Tony Rezko, convicted Mob money launderer.

The media have been astonishingly silent about that but people who live in glass houses....
10

Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 31/08/2008 14:49:05
I'm not 100% sure this police officer named Wooten who was her brother-in-law was fired. I know that she & her staff tried very hard to have him fired over a period of time. They fired the state police commissioner who refused to fire Wooten, that was in July. Here's a detailed blog written by a conservative republican person in Alaska about her. this conservative republican pro-life woman who writes the blog has been a determined opponent of Palin's for a long time.

http://palininvestigated.blogspot.com/

Palin has only been governor for less than 2 years and generated a lot of controversy & opponents during that time. She has persistent problems with honesty.
11

ericmiami,

miami, fl 31/08/2008 14:51:19
The mortgage on Obama's house was not arranged by Rezko. Please look into this and quit posting false information.
12

Kelvino,

NY 31/08/2008 15:00:45
I understand that Rebublican males are very much in favor of Palin, not so much the ladies. While many of the men would be delighted to "pull their levers" for Sarah, I doubt that this would be what the Hillary supporters were looking for in a female candidate/object of desire. Yet, that "pistol-packin'mama" does have a certain appeal. . . . .
13

HalBrown,

Middleboro, Mass., USA 31/08/2008 15:43:39
We visited Scotland a year ago and fell in love with it. Now with the prospect of President John McCain and V.P. Sarah Palin - and the possibility of President Sarah Palin - I have one question to ask you all.

How hard is it to move to Scotland along with our two Westies?

Here in the USA we are watching the Republicans on our Sunday talk shows lie when they say Palin is qualified to be president, and say that being in charge of the 4,000 member Alaska National Guard, and the fact that Alaska is near Russia makes her an expert on national security and international relations. Mind you, these people say this with a straight face.

More of my views on her are here: http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cont/node/11116

Do me a favor and give my column a click.
14

Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 31/08/2008 15:49:42
Kelvino, NY Where do you get your info. I know more men who are thrilled with this choice.(Husband included) This will change Washington.
2 MAVERICKS.. They both have crossed party lines.
She is a reformer, who has gone after her party and WON. She has taken on the corruption in the Oil Companies and WON.
McCain has taken on lobbyists, campaign spending, his party, and has crossed the party lines more than once, indeed many times, and WON.

This is a Fire and Ice campaign, that will win womens' votes. Instead of being held hostage by Rowe v. Wade
women are more concerned with the econmy, working mothers etc. She is it.

Obama has never run a business, never run a state, never run a city, and I don't care how small it is..it takes DECISIONS to do that. She also has an over 80% approval rate.
Experience HE DOESN'T HAVE.
15

Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 31/08/2008 15:56:18
He can change his biography as many times as he wants, he is a candidate with just over 100 days in an office with nothing attached to his name. He has been campaigning the rest of his time in office.
He is till Old Chicago politico...and they are corrupt.
This election will be great for the Independents, like me.
His change, is more of the same. We see that by his VP pick. It's the Dems repetion of more taxes, more gov't...A Nanny State.

Scoff and snear at her, but remember SHE has experience. And it is more than Obama's.
16

57Nomad,

california 31/08/2008 15:58:30
#8 media one

Media one said:

"When in fact they are nothing more than war mongering monsters."

War mongering monsters? Ah ha! I thought she was a pretty tough athlete, winning a state championship with a last minute free throw standing on a broken leg. This is the oldest route to warmongering there is, as you well know.

I know she single handedly dismantled the old dissolute Republican Party of Alaska and has an 80 to 90 percent approval rating. Do you have major politicians in SA with 80 percent approval ratings?

Maybe you're just another crypto-chauvinist who can't stand the thought of a powerful woman. Did you experience a "shrinkage" problem. Is that it, first the Blacks and now a woman? Poor guy. And just for the record, go to her bio and paste it in another post and then put your bio on the same page and see who has their stuff together and who is a skull-void no-talent blowhard.
17

Whitecaps,

Vancouver, Cda 31/08/2008 16:09:50
#16 57Nomad

Yes Palin has a nice Bio, but if Bio's were so important then Condi Rice would have been chosen. Check out Condi Rice's Bio. She has one of hte most impressive Bio's of any "person" not just woman I've seen.

So if McCain wanted a woman why did he pick the hottie?

18

Wally,

By The Rivers Of babylon (USA) 31/08/2008 16:44:27
King Nimrod in 16:

I frequently don't agree with Media One, but I think the most significant comment on the whole page is when he reminded us that the US leaders are war-mongering monsters. That is a sad reality that we all like to ignore.

We criticize palin for not having experience. but in reality experience doesn't matter much. Lots of people with lots of experience turn out to be war-mongering monsters, sleazeballs, etc.

My problems with palin are 1-she's got a track record of dishonesty and 2 (most important) she is a war-monger.

a sad reality is that our countryis ruled by a criminal clique. and all we do is try to deal with it somehow. Yet we're unable to address this problem. That so many Americans deal with it by denial or rationalization or delusions is very destructive to the people of America.

Our founders were so wise to tell us that our federal government should be small and weak and not get involved much in foreign affairs. We're so foolish to abandon that even while we wave our flags. If we'd followed the founders' advice, then these evil ones wouldn't have been able to dominate us in this way.

19

Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 31/08/2008 16:45:00
Because, in spite of what Democrats say..McCain wants a change away from old GOP, and wants to distance himself from Bush. They are totally different.
20

Wally,

By The Rivers Of babylon (USA) 31/08/2008 16:47:39
regarding comments about Condi Rice; she's very intelligent and has tremendous accomplishments in her life. what I don't like about her is that she's a war-monger. We hear her voice on radio & tv news where she threatens foreign countries in an angry tone. it is improper. She's just doing her job. thats the problem.

also, regarding condi rice - I don't think she'd go over well with the social conservatives. condi shares ownership in a house and residence in that house also with a woman who is a lesbian.
21

Harry "Dingy" Reid,

Las Vegas 31/08/2008 16:48:45
Wally, Ron Paul is a racist. Why do you never mention that? I got this link from a thread that is 2 days old that you did not comment on.

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720-ac15-4532a7da84ca

Sarah Palin is a good person, you are a creep for saying those things about her.
22

Harry "Dingy" Reid,

Las Vegas 31/08/2008 16:51:10
20 Wally

You are sick, stop it!
23

Neil,

Glasgow 31/08/2008 18:20:10
Wally that link to a "detailed blog written by a conservative republican person in Alaska" seems almost all to have been put up on Saturday & the remaining bit in the previous few days.

I smell a black propaganda dirty tricks campaign.

Eric if you have some basis for saying Obama's mortgage wasn't arranged by mobster Tony Rezko I would like to see it. Until then I have to stick with my source
http://isteve.blogspot.com/2008/08/chicago-way.html
24

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31/08/2008 18:39:19
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Kelvino,

NY 31/08/2008 19:09:46
I hope that all of you are taking note of our advanced
concept of democracy. . . USA style !

Together with an misinformed,indoctrinated,lethargic electorate, we cannot help but bestow our glory on the unwashed pagan hoards. Watch out. . . we could be dropping democracy and freedom on you, too !
Praise the Lord and the good ol' US of A !
By the way, exactly where in Russia is Afghanistan ?

26

Carolyn 1,

31/08/2008 22:16:47
What a nasty piece of edited 'journalism/opinion' this is.
It's blaringly obvious that The Scotsman is in the tank for Obama, as much if not more, than the US media.

I guess Scotland has lost the flame for independent thinking- what a pity.

The ticket of McCain/Palin is a chance for the American people to take back the government by electing two people who will speak FOR us, and stand WITH us, not steal from us for their own profit and power. Scotland should consider the same and not insult those who try.
27

Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 31/08/2008 22:34:00
Concerning the link to the blog in #10 - that blog was started a long time ago prior to the selection of Palin. palin has has this trooper-gate controversy going in Alaska for months. The woman just put up a lot of content the last couple days, she's been at it for longer. That woman putting up the blog is a political type, but conservative republican pro-life.

Palin has generated a lot of enemies in her short time as governor. She has a way of lying prominently and it gets her into trouble.

Regarding the pregnancy rumors, they may actually be true. Here's a link on that.

http://stupidcelebrities.net/2008/08/30/bristol-palin-pregnancy-is-vp-sarah-palins-5th-child-really-her-daughters-photos/

http://www.the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=4071

She lied about Bitney, the employee she fired for having an affair with a married woman (who was getting a divorce). She lied about Monegan the state police commissioner fired because he wouldn't fire her brother-in-law. Then she lied about Kopp (according to Kopp), the guy she hired to replace Monegan, then fired after 2 weeks on the job. She lied about the 'bridge to nowhere' as she said she opposed it, but the journalists in Alaska have interviews with her where she supported it when she was campaigning. This is a persistent pattern with her.
28

HalBrown,

Middleboro, MA, USA 31/08/2008 22:53:10
Come on Carolyn 1 (No. 26)... this is ludicrous: "The ticket of McCain/Palin is a chance for the American people to take back the government by electing two people who will speak FOR us, and stand WITH us, not steal from us for their own profit and power. Scotland should consider the same and not insult those who try."

McCain and Palin are going to take back the USA government from the Bush cabal? Sounds like you've stepped through the looking glass and found your own version of reality. Or have you being munching on some magic mushrooms?

Cut and paste for more of my opinions on Palin: http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cont/node/11116

29

Carolyn 1,

31/08/2008 23:09:15
After reading your cut and paste recommendation, I assume that, like the Messiah, you would have thrown Sarah Palin's baby in the medical waste bins rather than let it bring you joy because it wasn't perfect enough for you.

Keep smoking your pot, you're going to need a false reality if Obama is elected.

30

HalBrown,

Middleboro, MA, USA 31/08/2008 23:15:51
It would appear that McCain and Palin are peas in a pod in many ways.

Doug Thompson already pegged McCain as an Archy Bunker throw-back (join the 78,000 others who've already read http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cont/node/10086 -

"McCain: racist, bigot & homophobe" );

and now we see that Palin will fit right in with his crude personality.

Check out
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/31/palin-laughs-as-opponent_n_122776.html

Palin Laughs As Opponent Is Called "Bitch," "Cancer," Mocked For Her Weight (with AUDIO)
31

Carolyn 1,

Woods Hole, MA 31/08/2008 23:50:57
#30
What a piece or work you are.
I'm not usually snarky but...

^^ Middleboro Mass- hahaha.
-pretending to be the elitist doesn't work for you. Middleboro is as Archie Bunker as it get.

Yes, I realize that voting for Obama's Marxist and redistribution of wealth gives all the HalBrowns in the world a way out of Dodge, and a house you can't afford but think you deserve.

Hope all you want, lie all you can, do it night and day 24/7, the US will never elect anyone that liberal into national office. Even Chicago politics won't throw the election his way.

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HalBrown,

Middleboro, MA, USA 01/09/2008 01:45:52
Carolyn 1 is judging someone by the town they live in.

If I did this with her I'd have to say she is either very well educated, politically liberal, and connected with one of the fine educational institutions in ocean side Woods Hole; or she is one of the very wealthy Republicans who own some of the multi-million dollar homes on or near the water there.

If she's among the later no wonder she considers Obama's tax proposals Marxist because he'd do away with tax cuts for the very rich.

Middleboro is a mostly blue collar inland town and many residents could be compared to Archie Bunker only in that they are hard working and struggling to make ends meet. It is an inland town with numerous cranberry farms.

If I'm pretending to be an elitist I guess I won't get invited to places like Carolyn's country club where I'd be able to rub elbows with Bush and McCain supporters.

What a coincidence, posting on scotsman.com and running into a snarky Republican elitist with a decidedly nasty streak (like her hero John McCain) from one of our favorite towns, less than an hours drive from where we live.



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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 01/09/2008 02:21:30
HalBrown: I read the article that you authored in CapitalHillBlue, I read it this morning after you put up the link the 1'st time. Great article. thanks for commenting here.

Carolyn has a rude streak, its not uncommon.

I like ArchieBunker.

I don't know what to think about the pregnancy rumors. Here's 3 blogs.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/30/121350/137/486/580223

http://roschellenelson.blogspot.com/2008/08/follow-up-to-bristol-palin-pregnancy.html

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/08/palins-leaking-amniotic-fluid.php

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mike - across the pond,

halbrown 01/09/2008 08:35:32
here's a challenge for you....

look up Black Liberation Theology... its what the Obamas' chicago church preached.... you know the one he attended regularly for 20 years and couldnt walk away from... any more than he could stop being black..

then look up Liberathion Theology... which is a super-set of Black Liberation Theology...

if you can wedge some difference in there I think the DNC has a job for you.... lol

then explain to me how mr Obama's ideas are NOT marxist....

that being if you can acutally find anything concrete that BO stands for....
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mike - across the pond,

hal and wally 01/09/2008 08:57:12
square up THESE pictures

http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/2008/08/30/dailykos-rumors-debunked-here-is-sarah-palin-pregnancy-photo-on-feb-10th-2008/

and the "pregnant daughter" picture.... was taken in 2006....

stop drinking the koolaid....
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 01/09/2008 10:00:08
Mike, thanks for link about pregnancy scandal.

I watched only 1 of the sermons by Reverend Wright on YouTube. I watched the one he gave the Sunday after September 11, 2001. He preached from christian bible. I thought it was a good sermon. He quoted Psalm 137, same place I get my location field from - 'by the rivers of babylon'.
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Michael F. Moore,

Flint, MI 01/09/2008 11:53:42
#36 Wally,By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA)

You are sick in the head
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HalBrown,

Middleboro, MA, USA (on Marxism) 01/09/2008 12:00:22
Throwing around the term Marxism in reference to Obama is a scare tactic, pure Karl Rove. If I thought it would prompt some of those who are facile in their use of the term to actually do some reading on Marxism I'd say it was a good thing. Alas, I rather doubt that even the posters like Carolyn who lives in, but perhaps not of, an academic community will do so.

There are several forms of Marxism each with crucial difference. In my opinion there is both good and bad about Marxism. Most Americans only look at how it became a basis of Russian communism, which was never even really true communism because it was a brutal dictatorship with no real civil rights for the people.

Oddly enough some crucial Marxist tenets about the working class not being exploited would be applauded by the coveted typical white male voters that may turn out to be who decide this election.

Marxism blamed capitalism and the ruling class for the plight of workers. It became the underlying theory of the communist workers revolutions in Russia, China, Cuba and elsewhere. In my non-expert opinion blaming capitalism was incorrect, blaming the particular responsible individuals in the ruling class would have been right.

Had they done what we are trying to do and taken power and influence from THOSE people, and reformed the capitalist system, many lives would have been saved and these countries would be decades ahead economically.
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D-945,

01/09/2008 12:46:02
38 HalBrown

What's wrong with calling a spade a spade?
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HalBrown,

Middleboro, USA 01/09/2008 13:29:00
D-945 This is a RACIST comment if you are referencing Barack Obama.

On the subject of Carolyn 1

I found her posts here interesting because of where she lives, Woods Hole, which is one of our favorite towns and home to the world renown Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, the highly regarded Marine Biological Laboratory, the Woods Hole Research Center, and NOAA's Northeast Fisheries Science Center.

Being new to the Scotsman forums, I looked at some of her old posts to learn more about her. She seems to be a frequent poster and something of a lightening rod, a role she apparently relishes.

On another Scotsman forum about global warming I discovered that she doesn't believe it is caused by man despite the fact that the vast majority of scientists in related fields disagree with her.

I was able to discover what she thinks of scientists, at least those she disagrees with:

"It is impossible to live in this town and not be current with global warming. I walk down the halls and the scientists post their research in the halls. Go for ice cream and they're talking about ocean silt like we talk about shoes styles. I am surounded by the world's brightest nurds."

Link: http://news.scotsman.com/ViewArticle.aspx?articleid=3291250

If I was as snarky as she was I'd point out that most women I know in MY backwater town, which she put down (post 31) DON'T talk much about shoes styles.

Maybe Carolyn, who walks down the hallways of these institutions, isn't one of the super wealthy Republicans who live in the gated communities in Woods Hole after all. If she is I can see her having the positive opinions of Bush and McCain which she's posted here.

On the other hand, perhaps she's a custodian, lab technician or secretary at WHOI or MBL. If she is maybe her positions have more to do with resentment of the scientists she considers aloof or snobbish.
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Harry "Dingy" Reid,

Las Vegas 01/09/2008 14:38:00
40 HalBrown

You sir are a racist! D-945 was simply asking, whats wrong with telling the truth? A spade is a shovel, what do you think it is?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spade

A spade is a tool designed primarily for the purpose of digging or removing earth.[1] The first spades were made of graven wood. After the art of metalworking was discovered, spades were made with sharper tips of metal. Before the advent of metal spades manual labor was more inefficient at moving earth, with picks being required to break up the soil in addition to a spade for moving the dirt. With a metal tip, a spade can both break and move the earth in most situations, increasing efficiency.
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HalBrown,

Middleboro, USA, on racists 01/09/2008 15:12:37
With whatever respect is due to you (my jury is out on this), Mr. Reid, it is you that shows every sign of being a racist since (something to think about if you aren't). Every knowledgeable American knows that the term spade has several meanings, one of which is an ethnic slur, a very offensive name for a Black person almost as repellent as the n-word.

See definition 3 on the wiki definitions link you posted.

You might also consider this part of another wiki definition - "to call a spade a spade":

"The phrase predates the use of the word "spade" as an ethnic slur, which was not recorded in usage until 1928; however, in contemporary U.S. society, the idiom is often avoided due to potential confusion with the modern racial slur."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_call_a_spade_a_spade
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01/09/2008 15:58:33
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57Nomad,

california 12/09/2008 00:04:29
#17 Whitecaps

whitecaps said:

"So if McCain wanted a woman why did he pick the hottie?"

Whitecaps, are you saying that Condi Rice isn't a hottie?

http://badattitudes.com/MT/archives/RiceBoots.jpg

 

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