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Budget fury over whisky hike



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Published Date: 09 March 2008
SCOTCH whisky will be hit by the first increase in duty for a decade in this week's Budget, prompting SNP claims that Alistair Darling is damaging Scotland's economy in a bid to prop up UK finances.
The new Chancellor is expected to ignore the pleas of Scots producers by putting up duty on Scotch when he unveils his first Budget on Wednesday.

SNP ministers in Edinburgh last night warned Darling against the move, accusing the Chancellor of usi
ng Scotland's whisky industry as a "cash cow" to compensate for his financial "bungling" in the wake of the Northern Rock crisis.

But Scottish Labour hit back, accusing the SNP of double standards for opposing an increase in whisky duty while promoting high-profile health policies north of the border aimed at making alcohol more expensive.

Whisky producers said the move would slash demand for whisky, placing doubts over the future of 43,000 workers in Scotland who rely on the sector for their livelihoods.

The duty on all spirits has been frozen since 1997 but it is still higher than both wine and beer, a factor which the whisky industry claims has left it at a disadvantage.

The tax of 4.93% on a half-pint of beer is 19p, on a 125ml glass of wine at 11.2% is 22p, but on a 35ml glass of Scotch whisky is levied at 40%, raising 27p for the treasury.

The Government is believed to want to boost all levies on alcohol, as it seeks to show the public it is serious about cracking down on binge drinking.

Darling is also under pressure to find extra revenues as he seeks to haul in spiralling public deficit.

He is expected to allow borrowing to rise this week in a bid to avoid a fiscal tightening which could further damage Britain's fragile economy.

Darling used a pre-Budget interview to declare that he would use his debut "to support the economy in what are undoubtedly difficult times".

Finance Secretary John Swinney gave notice that a rise in duty would trigger a fresh cross-border row between the UK and Scottish Governments.

He said: "Scotch whisky is already unfairly taxed. It would be entirely wrong to further increase punitive taxation on one of Scotland's premiership industries. The Scotch whisky industry must not be used as a cash cow to solve the Treasury's financial bungling of taxes and the economy."

Campbell Evans, spokesman for the Scotch Whisky Association, said: "A tax rise would be very disappointing. The market is flat at best at present and this would lead to consumers switching to other drinks. A continued freeze would allow us to carry on investing in the market but an increase in tax sends out the wrong signals to the rest of the world."

Such is the predicted drop in demand caused by a tax hike, he claimed that ministers would have to raise whisky duties by 40% to increase their revenues.

There was speculation last night that the rise could be around 30p a bottle. Tax on Scotch whisky already accounts for some 72% of the price of a typical bottle. The UK has the third-highest spirits duty rate in the EU.

Last night, both the Conservatives and the Lib Dems backed demands to exempt whisky from a price hike and accused the Government of punishing sensible drinkers for the sins of the minority.

Shadow chancellor George Osborne said: "When it comes to alcohol taxes, Alistair Darling should follow our lead and make sure increases in tax on problem drinks are offset with a reduction on lower alcohol drinks."

He added: "It's very important, particularly when families are feeling the rising cost of living, that alcohol taxes don't become an excuse for yet more stealth taxes. The responsible majority should not be punished for the irresponsible drinking of a minority."

Liberal Democrat shadow chancellor, Vince Cable, said: "Whisky should not be included in a big assault on binge drinking when it is drunk in an entirely different context. We want to increase the tax on high-strength drinks and use the money to cut the duty on fruit drinks and smoothies."

Darling is also expected to use his first Budget to delay plans for a 2p increase in fuel duty, following pressure from motoring organisations and hauliers.

The Chancellor is believed to have agreed that the rising revenues pouring into the Treasury caused by the record high costs of petrol and diesel have allowed him to put the rise off.

However, there is likely to be bad news for drivers of high-polluting or gas-guzzling vehicles as Darling seeks to demonstrate his commitment to the environment. Road taxes for band G vehicles, such as Land Rovers and sports cars, are likely to see an increase in road tax while drivers of greener Toyota Prius and other low-carbon vehicles will pay less tax.

MP Angus MacNeil, the SNP's transport spokesman, said the Treasury could afford to freeze fuel duty because it was taking more in revenue from increased fuel prices.

He said: "Fuel prices are beginning to cripple Scotland's economy. Our hauliers are being priced out of business by rising costs. Our farmers are struggling to make ends meet because of fuel costs and families are seeing weekly fuel bills go through the roof. And all the time, without putting the tax on fuel up, the UK Government is making more in revenue because the price is higher."

In another traditional revenue-raising move, smokers will have to pay. Some observers calculate that the Chancellor will add 20p to a pack of 20 cigarettes, 5p on cigars and 8p on pipe tobacco.

Some City analysts say reduced tax receipts could lead to a 1p rise in National Insurance for people earning more than £40,000 a year or an increase in employer contributions.

John Whiting, of Price Waterhouse, said: "He is going to have to raise some taxes or cut spending because the economy really isn't doing as well as he was hoping."

However, the Chancellor's insistence that he will "support the economy" as recession looms could mean some tax rises could be delayed. After the anger over his handling of Northern Rock, capital gains tax and tax on non-domiciled foreign workers, Darling will be desperate to restore confidence in the business community.

Boxing clever

Alistair Darling will revive an old tradition when he stands on the steps of Downing Street and holds up the box of Budget papers.

The Chancellor has said he wants to retain the historic link with William Ewart Gladstone by dusting down the leather box used by the former Midlothian MP. Instead of the box used in recent years he will take the Budget from Downing Street to the House of Commons in the hand-crafted wooden box, which is lined with black satin and covered in leather.

"Tradition is important," said Darling. "As an Edinburgh MP I want to maintain the link with Gladstone and Midlothian."

In 1860 it was Gladstone who started the tradition of Chancellors waving a box containing the Budget. In 1997, Gordon Brown became the second Chancellor to use a new box for the Budget. Made by trainees at Babcock Rosyth Defence Ltd dockyard in Fife, it was made of yellow pine, with a brass handle and lock, covered in scarlet leather and embossed with the Royal initials and crest and the Chancellor's title.

Brown shared his photo-call on the steps of Number 11 with four trainees from the dockyard.



The full article contains 1261 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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1

Marvin the Martian,

09/03/2008 00:06:35
Tax and waste is getting on my nerves.
2

Sanny,

09/03/2008 00:10:54
Then do something about it; vote them out and campaign for others to follow suit. Let's go for Independence ASAP
3

Jeeemy,

St Andrews 09/03/2008 00:14:16
7 Days is a long time in anybody’s life, but I predicted this move along with others last week that “the Darling” would now tax Whisky and damage the Scottish economy any way he could.
Brown has taken since last May to realise that Scotland has decided it does not support the Unionist Parties, the Brown –Campbell pact came to nothing but the fact that it existed at all, has sounded the death-knell for them in Scotland.
Watch Wales over the next few months, there is going to be a bloody nose or two down there over expenses and possibly “brown” envelopes as well.
As for Northern Ireland, brown envelopes have already appeared, watch this space.
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09/03/2008 00:22:02
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Tris,

09/03/2008 00:23:00


Every time they do something like this they put another nail in their own coffins.

I really wonder how they have the nerve to face their constituents.
6

Encarta,

Edradour 09/03/2008 00:44:34
The (time) process of making and maturing whisky for sale and export exceeds the term of any parliament, government or toon cooncil.

To overcome the objections of the multinational owners of "Scotch" production, the wimmin in Pa Broon's regime will have to "cook a lot of socks".

My friend, Mrs Malaprop, tolled me sew.
7

J J MAROONER,

09/03/2008 00:58:01
I see this is to do with reducing "Binge Drinking" let me see whisky binge drinkers I can think of at least 4 politicians, once was the top man at one time, ex football club chairman, yes put the tax up, lets get theses people off our streets!!!
8

subrosa,

09/03/2008 01:12:48
They'll stop at nothing to try to intimidate the new government. Oh how I wish the English would waken up and start shouting for their own parliament. This would sort it out once and for all.
9

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 09/03/2008 01:30:12
"whisky" a traditional drink now, that quite honestly very few drink nowadays, certainly not our 'teens'
Its quite ridiculous to put extra "Tax" on a drink the elderly enjoy! (and some middle-aged appreciate) the 'Malts' that is!
10

Encarta,

09/03/2008 01:38:37

Charles Linskail




























































cider expert
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09/03/2008 02:03:49
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M.T.,

09/03/2008 03:20:57
"Fuel prices are beginning to cripple Scotland's economy. Our hauliers are being priced out of business by rising costs. Our farmers are struggling to make ends meet because of fuel costs and families are seeing weekly fuel bills go through the roof. And all the time, without putting the tax on fuel up, the UK Government is making more in revenue because the price is higher."

Agree with every word except "beginning"
13

M.T.,

09/03/2008 03:31:54
of course, in April, even if the 2p per litre + VAT is "delayed" we, the public, all still have to face the damage done by the last budget.

The 10% income tax band abolished.

Aggregates tax increased by 20% from £1.60 per tonne to £1.95 + of course VAT

14

weeshooie1,

Wollongong 09/03/2008 03:36:51
C'mon guys, gie them a break, they have to fund their 25k pay rise :0)
15

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 09/03/2008 06:49:36
Let's export the stuff, not booze it ourselves.

More tax please: I'm teetotal.
16

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09/03/2008 06:56:50
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Richardinho,

09/03/2008 07:16:54
'The duty on all spirits has been frozen since 1997 but it is still higher than both wine and beer, a factor which the whisky industry claims has left it at a disadvantage.

The tax of 4.93% on a half-pint of beer is 19p, on a 125ml glass of wine at 11.2% is 22p, but on a 35ml glass of Scotch whisky is levied at 40%, raising 27p for the treasury.'


Already extortionate and they're putting it up again. An absolute scandal. The thing is I think they enjoy doing this; They probably sit around dreaming up what vindictive anti-scottish thing they can do next.
18

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 09/03/2008 07:18:34
Living in Indonesia, even though it is 8,000 mile away and a Muslim country, I can by a bottle of whisky for less than half the price of Scotland.
Jakarta Price in Pounds Sterling
1 Litre J&B Scotch Whisky 7.50
1 Packet Dunhill Cigarettes 0.56
1 Litre Premium Petrol 0.60
Needless to say, though I may miss living in Scotland a wee bit, my bank balance loves living here.
19

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 09/03/2008 07:21:19
#15
"I'm Teetotal"
That explains a lot.
20

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 09/03/2008 07:24:46
I guess they don't remember that the American War of Independance was a tax rebellion. Time for Scotland to say "Don't Tread On Me"
21

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 09/03/2008 08:05:04
What a coincidence an SNP government in Scotland and the UK chancer hits the Scottish whiskey industry for the first time in 10 years.
I wonder if that reknowned teetotaller himsell George Foulkes is going to be happy aboot this?
22

donald,

glasgow 09/03/2008 08:09:49
If only "Scotch" taxes were raised and SPENT inb Scotland.

You don't seem any Burberry neds drinking malt whisky in the streets.
23

weeshooie1,

Wollongong 09/03/2008 08:11:46
The standard price for a bottle (blended) out her is roud about $27-$28. Mind you, although wine bottles are still 750mil, for a lot of years now Scotch is sold in 700mil bottles. We are being screwed the same as you guys.

http://www.aussiewines.com.au/BuyScotchWhiskyOnline.php
24

Freedom for Scotland,

09/03/2008 08:31:01
The increase in whisky duty is entirely in line with the Darling - Broon and the entire Labour Party apparatus' anti- Scotland policies.
25

StopTheNumpties,

Honolulu 09/03/2008 08:38:34
I guess they don't remember that the American War of Independence was a tax rebellion. Time for Scotland to say "Don't Tread On Me"

I guess in a way. The Boston "Tea Party" where British Tea was dumped into Boston Harbor as a "Tax" protest, was because of the elimination of taxes on tea shipped directly to the colonies rather than requiring it to go through London where a tax would be levied. Why would the colonists be upset about a drop in taxes? Turns out many of the "rebels" were black marketeers and the elimination of taxes suddenly made their smuggled product less competitive. Hence the perfect solution - spin the tax cut into a taxation protest and make sure the protest has the side benefit of making the competition's product undrinkable by dumping it in the harbor. And more than 200 years later the event is still wrapped in the spin "no taxation without representation." "Brilliant!!"
26

Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 09/03/2008 08:51:16
Yet another anglified colonial administrator funneling Scots funds into the english coffers, for war, excessive control, etc,etc....
27

Mike Masterton,

London 09/03/2008 09:12:50
Why all the moan's, you all know what the government is about and that is raising tax's, what did the country do when Brown (then chancellor) raised the 10p to 20p on earning's the country moaned ( oh dear)untill we all get together and walk to Downing St as a general strike ( remember Jarrow )this lot will continue to rape your pocket's.
28

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09/03/2008 09:18:25
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albanman,

09/03/2008 09:25:00
"The tax of 4.93% on a half-pint of beer is 19p..." That would make a half-pint cost 3.80 and a pint 7.60; what kind of pub does the author of this article frequent?
30

Gothic Rose,

09/03/2008 09:32:25
1# yes, and streams of motor veichles are getting on mine.Totally irrational I know!
31

Saul Tyre,

Germany 09/03/2008 09:56:02
Darling looks like a gin and tonic drinker to me. Or maybe Babycham. If you offered him a quality twenty year old single malt, he'd drown it in some fizzy soft drink and throw in a few ice cubes and a slice of lemon. He might even use a long cocktail glass and sip it through a straw.
32

PDdod,

peterhead 09/03/2008 09:57:10
PROHIBITION the cure all.
33

A Voice From SCOTLAND ;o),

09/03/2008 10:08:05
Yet another example if it were required of the treachery of the agents of the fascist English and their turncoat agents.

As they have done since 1707 bleeding Scotland white of her resources to fund their imperialism. If it was not the flower of Scotland to fight her wars then it is her riches, Darling and his ilk are traitors and spineless turncoats who will be dealt with in due course.

They know as the whole world knows that Scotland is soon to declare independence from this corrupt fascist union and leave the inbred Hun to flounder in the stew of their own making.

This is the last throw of the dice, petulance and malevolence on a grand scale but Alex Salmond has the measure of them.
34

Citylocal Fife,

Citylocal Fife News 09/03/2008 10:11:14
The die is cast, I'm afraid, the best thing we can do is to continually expose Mr Darling's deficiencies, and we must lobby hard for his and Gordon Brown's removal, at the next election. We have to ensure that apathy does not win the day.





Yours etc

Angus Whitton
35

Jimmy the Pie,

09/03/2008 10:45:50
#5 Iris.
You wonder how they have the nerve to face their constituents?
Easy - treat them like the half wits they are. They'll vote for New Labour Sleaze and Corruption no matter what. They'll say they're 'working class' but most won't work. Those that do will nearly always read the Daily Retard and the Sunday Mail and believe all the drivel that these rags make up. A few will read the Hootsmoan but they are a fast disappearing species. Lets get rid of these scumbags once and for all and give them a real kicking at the next election.
36

Gothic Rose,

09/03/2008 10:49:27
31# Oh what a picture!,what a photograph!:)))
37

Jay Kay,

Burntisland 09/03/2008 11:08:22
#35 Jimmy, nah wait mate come the next election brother alexander will make voting so complicated you will need a Phd in order to understand who yer votin for, a X in the SNP box means "you dont want to vote for them" eh!!!!! whit.
Anything to regain control well sorry Mr Broon yer ships already on the rocks and full of holes.
Lets all vote with our feet and kick the sh*t out of Newlab fatcats esp that weirdo Darling.

Let me ask an honest question would you trust this man to look after your children? or buy a second hand car from him, I bl**dy well wouldnt yet the people in power give him control over the finances of the country thats just pure insanity.
38

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 09/03/2008 11:15:11
Gothic Rose

Good morning, madam.

Ottawa is digging out of a day and night of snow totalling 35-40 cms with windgusts of 70 kph.

ATTENTION ALL GLASWEGIANS!

There is an excellent article in the FT Weekend paper in the travel section by Catherine Czerkawska, "What I Love About .... Glasgow - Where angels and muscular gods abound".

I hope it increases tourism there as the article makes Glasgow appear to be "the Dear Green Place" it is in certain sections.

Congratulation to Glasgow for getting such a glowing review.

Now I will have my morning tot of Bushmill's Black Bush IRISH whiskey.
39

Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 09/03/2008 11:18:41
This is further proof that we are indeed under English rule! Lets boot them out, NOW!
40

Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow. home of BUCKFAST! 09/03/2008 11:21:44
#29..... The Caledonian Hotel in Edinburgh.
41

Boggle fey the Bog,

09/03/2008 11:29:13
Has anybody done their sums?

19p tax on a half pint of beer equal to a tax of 4.93% which adds up to £7.70 per pint, including excise duty, but excluding profit and VAT.

Typical Hootsmaun can't get it right from the start, the rates of duty are levied in a '£'s per quantity method' e.g. Spirits, Spirits-based RTDs, Wine and made-wine: Exceeding 22% abv are all rated at £19.56p per litre of pure alcohol, and Beer is rated at £13.71p per hectolitre (175.98 pints) per cent of alcohol in the beer, which approximates to 7.9p per 1% of alcohol per pint or on a pint of Tenements Laarger @ 4% ABV, is approximately 32p per pint.

Quoting the excise rate, as a percentage, for any alcoholic drink is just pish poor reporting, as the excise duty is based on a price per 'percent of alcohol, not the other way round.

I can only conclude that Ms. Percival has had a wee bit to much white wine, when she was composing this arcticle, as she appears to have her ABV's confused with her 'Rates per Litre or Hectolitre'.

Other than that, again another 'storm in a whisky tun' brewing for 'the man in blaak'. Especially if he is using the old 'binge drinking' red herring as an excuse.

Let's not be coy here, binge drinking in the younger elements of our society, is not caused by 'cheap' alcohol, but by 'peer' pressure amongst themselves, and in a lot of cases non - existent parenting, ask yourself at 9pm on any night, where are my children? if the answer is 'dunno' then maybe you are the problem, not your children.

Perhaps, if the the government actually tried to engage with their citizens, then some if not all of the 'societal ailments' that are regularly 'trotted out' as reasons for 'doing this' or 'doing that', would crumble.

Then again 'Porcus Fugavi' Not Grammatically correct, I know, but I think you may catch my drift (Pigs might Fly)

Anywho, I'll climb down off me soap box now.


#38 TimW1234,Ottawa

Bushmills INDEED sir!!!

Try Highland Park or any of t
42

Boggle fey the Bog,

09/03/2008 11:30:11
Cont From post#41

#38 TimW1234,Ottawa

Bushmills INDEED sir!!!

Try Highland Park or any of the lovely pure malts of Islay, such as Bruichladdich.
You can get more information at this link.

http://www.islaywhiskysociety.com/
Think of yer liver man, and do the decent thing ;-))
43

The Answer,

Glasgow 09/03/2008 11:31:56
The English pay exactly the same tax on whisky as do scot's

8 times more tax is raised on beers sales compaired to whisky


"The level of duty is typically 33p on a pint of beer, £1.33 on a bottle of wine and £5.48 on a bottle of whisky."

"Each percentage point increase in next Wednesday's Budget would raise £40m for the Treasury from beer, £25m from wine and £5m from spirits."

Facts on a 1% increase of duty

40 million extra from Beer
25 million extra from Wine
5 million only from Whisky (paid for buy consumers, not producers)


A rise of 1% in the duty on spirits would add 5p to the price. Analysts say a rise of 10%, which has been demanded by the Health Alcohol Alliance of doctors and charities, would add 54p to a bottle of whisky


http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/business/Scotch-prices-to-soar-as.3858644.jp
44

Joe,

Helen Street 09/03/2008 11:35:26
SNP are advocating the end of cheap booze, shouldn't they be congratulating Darling?
45

 Ayrshire Scot™,

09/03/2008 11:53:33
Shocking and Appauling...

"....Margaret Curran, the party's shadow health secretary, has admitted being at the centre of unflattering comments about Alexander's performance as party leader.

A recent newspaper piece had stated that Labour MSPs were critical of her performance and judgement, with the phrase "shocking and appalling" quoted in the story, which is now revealed to have been based on a briefing by Curran."

46

 Ayrshire Scot™,

09/03/2008 11:54:57
44. Whisky on the Northern Rocks?

Inheritance tax cuts for millionnaires while bleating about the "vulnerable"?
47

The Answer,

Glasgow 09/03/2008 12:01:52
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/stats/tax_receipts/table1-2.pdf
48

Jimmy the Pie,

09/03/2008 12:04:51
#45

Margaret Curran - now what is her pedigree???
and her background?? Another career New Labour worthy with the morals of an alleycat and the charisma of a bucket of smelly stuff?? We must be told.
49

Gothic Rose,

09/03/2008 12:06:34
Its much too early TW.Apply a little restraint.!!!
50

yoric,

09/03/2008 12:10:04
If tax on booze has to go up, personally i don't think it should, but if it does why should Whisky be exempt?
I drink Stella, i think that should be exempt.
As for "damaging Scotlands economy to prop up UK finances" SNP.
We in England thought it was the other way round.
51

Bird of Prey, Will watch what i say.,

09/03/2008 12:12:10
Scotch Whisky is probably the best known of Scotland's manufactured exports contributing around £800 million to the Scottish economy, supporting 41,000 jobs as well as adding £2 billion to the balance of trade making it one of the UK’s top five manufacturing export earners[13]. The Whisky industry also generates a substantial income for the government with around £1.6bn raised in duty each year[14]. The principal whisky producing areas include Speyside and the island of Islay where there are 8 distilleries providing a major source of employment for the island. In many areas the whisky industry is closely related with tourism, with many distilleries also functioning as tourist attractions.

As we can see, yet again Scotland is subsidising our Neighbor but instead of oil it is with Whisky.
It is time we booted the botched union into touch just like our Rugby players did yesterday over the auld enemy
52

Bird of Prey, Will watch what i say.,

09/03/2008 12:13:52
#48 Jimmy the pie

Margaret Curran - now what is her pedigree???

I think she is a pedigree mongrel

53

Methalions,

09/03/2008 12:16:06
Re Council Tax /LIT

"The Sunday Herald can also reveal the existence of Treasury documents showing that council tax benefit - £400 million of which the UK government is threatening to withdraw if Holyrood scraps the property-based tax - belongs to Scotland."
54

Amparo de Glasgow,

09/03/2008 12:18:57
#48
Curran is an air-heid of no substance.
bendy Wendy is a corrupt air-heid.

Wee Eck and
... Sturgeon-bot Stepford Wife Version 4.001
... are incompetant two-faced shysters.


This whole devolved garbagio experiment
... has been a failure
... and a complete waste of public money.

Close down Uncle Tom's Cabin / Hollyrood
... and invest the dosh in
... Scotland's crumbling infrastructure instead.
55

Amparo de Glasgow,

09/03/2008 12:26:28
How much money has been wasted on this excersise in provincial numpty-ism???
Shut down Uncle Tom's Cabin / Hollyrood.

A real government has an Army; Navy; and an Air Force.

Uncle Tom's Cabin is just appeasement and 'crumbs from the London Master's table ...!!!
Shut it down and either let's be happy with the UK or push for outright independence now.

Half-way houses
... are just that ...!!

Uncle Tom's Cabin is just a numpty club for numptys ...
... Scotland has become the laughing stock of the world due to bendy Wendy; Curran; wee Joke McC + that eejit Goldie; Nicol Stephen;
... wee Eck and his robot Sturgeon.

Shut it down.

Close Uncle Tom's Cabin !!!!!!!
56

The Answer,

Glasgow 09/03/2008 12:26:28
Bird of Prey, Will watch what i say.,09/03/2008 12:12:10

"The Whisky industry also generates a substantial income for the government with around £1.6bn raised in duty each year"

All consumers pay duty, even those in England.

2.3 billion was raised from sprit duty which includes whisky , vodka , rum , gin etc etc.

Whisky sales are less than 20% of all sprits sold in the UK

Upon independence whisky will be sold to the rest of the UK duty and tax free.



Grow up and stop talking crap

real facts not scotch myths below:

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/stats/tax_receipts/table1-2.pdf
57

Bird of Prey, Will watch what i say.,

09/03/2008 12:29:53
OH, devolution is a waste of money? Well lets have a referendum on the Status squawk or Independence, that would suit me fine.

BTW, has Thatcher kicked the bucket yet? this thing looked like death wrapped up in a tea towel, it was so shocking that my feathers started to wilt.
58

Bird of Prey, Will watch what i say.,

09/03/2008 12:32:22
The Answer,Glasgow 09/03/2008 12:26:28

I have read your link and all i can say is "Grow up and stop linking crap"
59

Bird of Prey, Will watch what i say.,

09/03/2008 12:34:03
The Answer,Glasgow 09/03/2008 11:31:56
The English pay exactly the same tax on whisky as do scot's

8 times more tax is raised on beers sales compaired to whisky


"The level of duty is typically 33p on a pint of beer, £1.33 on a bottle of wine and £5.48 on a bottle of whisky."

"Each percentage point increase in next Wednesday's Budget would raise £40m for the Treasury from beer, £25m from wine and £5m from spirits."

Facts on a 1% increase of duty

40 million extra from Beer
25 million extra from Wine
5 million only from Whisky (paid for buy consumers, not producers)


A rise of 1% in the duty on spirits would add 5p to the price. Analysts say a rise of 10%, which has been demanded by the Health Alcohol Alliance of doctors and charities, would add 54p to a bottle of whisky


http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/business/Scotch-prices-to-soar-as.3858644.jp


More crap from this numpty!
60

The Answer,

Glasgow 09/03/2008 12:37:20
53 Methalions,09/03/2008 12:16:06
Re Council Tax /LIT

"The Sunday Herald can also reveal the existence of Treasury documents showing that council tax benefit - £400 million of which the UK government is threatening to withdraw if Holyrood scraps the property-based tax - belongs to Scotland."


http://www.dwp.gov.uk/asd/asd4/Table8.xls

400 million has never been consumed by scots for council tax.

Take a look at lines 32 and 34, if council tax is counted under barnett formula scotland will lose about 50 million each year.
61

Bird of Prey, Will watch what i say.,

09/03/2008 12:42:00
According to the web site of the Scotch Whisky Association, "Tax to the UK Treasury from Scotch Whisky companies amounted to £89,000 for each employee" in 1999.

That’s roughly $131,000 US per employee.

Good god ...
62

Bird of Prey, Will watch what i say.,

09/03/2008 12:48:36
JOHN SWINNEY, the Scottish Cabinet secretary for finance and sustainable growth, has intensified fears of a tariff backlash against whisky in crucial overseas markets if the chancellor raises duty on Scotland's second-most valuable export in this month's Budget.

David Williamson, a spokesman for the Scotch Whisky Association (SWA), said: "We welcome John Swinney's support. It reflects the industry's own views on the importance of sending out a clear message internationally of fair taxation. We have experience of the UK duty system being played back to us when the industry has taken tax discrimination issues to the WTO."

Looks like the Whisky industry is in agreement with the SNP..
63

John M. Slusser II,

Nantwich 09/03/2008 12:54:09
Boycott - give the Scotch whiskey workers a nice long heads up warning, and then bloody boycott. Don't make or sell a blinking drop or dram - lets see how long it takes that bloody cash cow to find another "pasture" to graze in...
64

Bird of Prey, Will watch what i say.,

09/03/2008 12:56:49
George Foulkes says!!

as the year moves on, we will almost certainly see the focus move South, not just as party conference season begins, but also as we move closer to 2009 and the renewed possibility of a General Election. And even if Gordon Brown completely bricks it and waits until 2010, there's still a European Election on the cards that year, with both the SNP (in Scotland) and the Tories (GB-wide) looking to give Labour a bloody nose.

At least imbecile may have got something correct.
65

boudica,

Glasgow 09/03/2008 12:57:30
Oh!! Please get a grip ..it has avoided a raise in Tax for 10yrs ..and it will sink Scotlands economy ..Get Real ....as usual the SNP Scaremingers are shouting
" We`re Doomed We`re Doomed" ....Aye Right ..Scotlands Whiskey Trade will always do well it is a Product that is seen as Indestructable ( Just like the ones that drink a tad to much of it )I`ll tell what is driving the People of Scotland nuts it is the SNP SNiPping constantly about Westminster and How they are out to destroy us ..Well wake up the only ones who are destroying Scotland and its Reputation is the SNP Executive ...
66

Bird of Prey, Will watch what i say.,

09/03/2008 12:59:49
boudica,Glasgow 09/03/2008 12:57:30

" We`re Doomed We`re Doomed" , what a f u d
67

Guga II,

Rockall 09/03/2008 13:04:25
#50 yoric.

Stella, that's a girl's drink.
68

 Ayrshire Scot™,

09/03/2008 13:04:48
66. Well said.

65. Clearly over-consumption has had an dire impact on you. Why do you support a differentially high tax imposed on one of Scotland's key exports and industries?

And why do you find a government actually standing up for Scotland's interests so awful?
69

The Answer,

Glasgow 09/03/2008 13:09:48
"61 Bird of Prey, Will watch what i say.,09/03/2008 12:42:00
According to the web site of the Scotch Whisky Association, "Tax to the UK Treasury from Scotch Whisky companies amounted to £89,000 for each employee" in 1999.

That’s roughly $131,000 US per employee.

Good god ..."



Be clear, upon independence scotland will sell whisky duty and tax free to the rest of the UK, just as whisky is sold duty and tax free to the rest of the world.

If "the fat one" upon independence cut's duty and tax from scots, where will the cash cow leave scotlands finances?

SNP is the best thing that happened for England.
70

The Answer,

Glasgow 09/03/2008 13:12:54
"68 Ayrshire Scot™,09/03/2008 13:04:48
Clearly over-consumption has had an dire impact on you. Why do you support a differentially high tax imposed on one of Scotland's key exports and industries?"

Duty and tax are charged on UK consumption ie consumers, Not on Exports.
71

boudica,

Glasgow 09/03/2008 13:26:06
Actually Ayrshire I dont drink ..but if Whiskey had been taxed as often as beer and lager has over the last 10yrs how much do you think the Tax would actaully be now ...so 27p aint going to break the Bank or the Whiskey Industry ..we have recently had new laws to protect the real whiskey industry from the false claims made by the cheaper versions ..so beleive me the Whiskey Industry will survive has people will pay 100`s of pound for a Bottle of Scottish Whiskey ...China is the Largest along with India and the States as well as Europe and some Middle Eastern Countries ..You will see many a bottle of Chivas Regal in an Arabs Tent ..although they would never admit ..Scotch Whiskey reaches some parts no other booze can .....and the Industry is no different from any other business in trying to get a better deal well they got 10yrs .. I still say 27p wont sink the Industry or Scotland ...less that 3 pence a year ...
72

Methalions,

09/03/2008 13:31:30
60 The Answer

I was simply quoting a Herald statement which is the opposite of what the Scotsman reported a few days back.
73

An English Voice,

09/03/2008 13:38:19
47. Well done for again showing the whinging nats on these boards that Scotland does very well from the UK.

PRT = £1.5bn
Spirit Duty (charged on on all spirits and drinkers not the brewers) = £2.3bn of which just £230m would be Scot-originated.

So just how is the £1.3trillion UK economy being propped up by just £1.8bn in Scottish oil and whiskey revenues??

The £1.8bn oil/whiskey taxes is just 0.28% of public expenditure, for crying out loud!

The nationalist argument always was, and continues to be, a joke.

As is trashing any report/statistic/polling figures just because they repeatedly discredit the SNP's increasingly insane claims.
74

The Strategist,

09/03/2008 13:42:34
Ah yes.. The whisky industry.. Now remind me again who actually owns most of it. Is it the French or someone else. I've lost count of how many times these companies have been sold.
75

The Answer,

Glasgow 09/03/2008 13:43:44
"73 An English Voice,09/03/2008 13:38:19

Spirit Duty (charged on on all spirits and drinkers not the brewers) = £2.3bn of which just £230m would be Scot-originated."

I'm sorry to point out your calculation is wrong!

Scotland is 8% of the UK, and not 10% as in your calculation, 8% of 2.3 billion is £185 million not £230 million as written by yourself.
76

Amparo de Glasgow,

09/03/2008 13:47:20
The only cash cow (and a stupid wan)
...is Uncle Tom's Cabin / Hollyrood !!

A complete waste of money from the word go !!!!!

Outright independence from England Wales + N.Ireland
... or shut-up and stop sqwawking
... about how great wee Eck
... and his robot Sturgeon are.

Uncle Tom's Cabin has been a disaster
... for the Scot's.


It has been an experiment
... in petty-minded numptyism.

Blair must be laughing all the way to
... his (and Cherie's ) new condo in Florida.

Why the Scot's ever bought into this
... Uncle Tom borrocks in the first place??

Blair and Mandelson did the job on
... the dough-heid's who trumpet this garbagio
... as progress for Scotland.



Nahh ...!!
... pish !!!
77

boudica,

Glasgow 09/03/2008 13:52:43
Bird of Prey you sound more like a Demented Budgey....whats the matter truth hurts ...Wee Eck is supposed to be an economist of sorts... was his forte Creative Accounting sort ....
78

An English Voice,

09/03/2008 13:53:10
75. Okay, I added a bit out of generosity.

Of course, we should also subtract all the non-whiskey spirits from that total...20% did you say?...carry the one...

So Scottish taxes on whiskey contributes a massive £37m to the UK Treasury.

A tad less than the "billions" claimed by the nats!

Like I say, "increasingly insane claims".
79

An English Voice,

09/03/2008 13:57:11
74. It goes both ways, Strategist.

Guinness is UK-owned, for starters.
80

Amparo de Glasgow,

09/03/2008 14:03:12
#77
Boudica ...
Wee Eck is a careerist numpty like everyone else having a junket at Hollyrood /Uncle Tom's Cabin.

Wee Eck isnae jist a careerist and a glaekit numpty
... who gives me the dry boak
... he costs the taxpayer a fortune.
... as does bendy Wendy;
Curran;
et al.

Shut down Uncle Tom's Cabin ...

Outright independence
... or the whingers should
... shut the f*ck up and get on wae being British
81

Amparo de Glasgow,

09/03/2008 14:08:36
The spin-masters of deceit at New LayBore Headquarters
... must still be laughing that Scotland (and Wales + N.Ireland) took on this experimental half-way to Numpty-ville provincialist Honkey-tonk.

Shut it down.
If the Scot's are a bunch of Uncle Tom's then we should suffer the union with England; Wales and N.I. ... however Uncle Tom's Cabin is useless and needs to be shut down.

It is just a talking shop for numptys and air-heids.

A real government makes real decisions.
82

The Answer,

Glasgow 09/03/2008 14:16:41
"78 An English Voice,09/03/2008 13:53:10
75. Okay, I added a bit out of generosity.

Of course, we should also subtract all the non-whiskey spirits from that total...20% did you say?...carry the one...

So Scottish taxes on whiskey contributes a massive £37m to the UK Treasury.

A tad less than the "billions" claimed by the nats! "

Like I say, "increasingly insane claims".

£37 million is unfair to the scots.

Better to pretend that the UK consumer drinks only Whisky.

1.1 million males are in full time work in Scotland.

If £185 million "whisky" revenue is allocated to each male worker (£168 per head) , it means on average each Scotch male worker would drink about 30 bottles of Scotch each year, now that would be shocking!
83

Methalions,

09/03/2008 14:17:11
...and now that English Voice / Highland Mighty makes his appearance with the usual "whinge" p­ish, I'll bid you all good day.
84

An English Voice,

09/03/2008 14:20:29
Ah come on, Meths.

Is this endless use of stats, facts and figures by the UK-crowd disrupting the baseless claims and outright lies of the nat-crowd that much?

85

Amparo de Glasgow,

09/03/2008 14:20:41
#83
Methalions
... hing aboot pal ...!!!

The fun has jist started.
86

Amparo de Glasgow,

09/03/2008 14:22:58
New LayBore numptys like wee Wendy; Curran et al
or
wee Eck; Swine-ney; Sturgeon-bot Version 4.001

Come on Meths ...!!
They are all pish!!!
87

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 09/03/2008 14:31:58
#49 Gothic Rose

It is NEVER too early - especially when one has taken a black Lab out for a walk through 2 foot snowdrifts and a brisk 49kph wind blowing in from the northwest.

Actually, I had two cups of tea to fortify me before going on our "walkies" and then some organic fairtrade coffee to recover from our "Arctic" trek.

I appreciate your concern. How are the salubrious climes of Scotland?
88

The Answer,

Glasgow 09/03/2008 14:35:20
The level of duty is typically 33p on a pint of beer, £1.33 on a bottle of wine and £5.48 on a bottle of whisky."

"Each percentage point increase in next Wednesday's Budget would raise £40m for the Treasury from beer, £25m from wine and £5m from spirits."

Interesting point

If a 1% increase on duty for "spirits" (I presume the reporter means "whisky") raises an extra £5 million, then an 100% decrease on sprit duty would cost only £500 million.

As Scotch is taxed at £5.48 a bottle it seems 91 million bottles are sold in the UK which is wishfull thinking on the scots side.

89

Gothic Rose,

09/03/2008 15:10:27
87#TimW.
Cold wet and windy with occasional sunshine.Usual stuff.Always reliable like Scotsman posters.xxx
90

Rita,

Warren 09/03/2008 15:47:11
the government is only looking after your health--- if you can't afford to drink alchol you won't need the National Health to get you better--- save a lot of money------ then on to next thing you may like
91

busbyfh,

09/03/2008 15:51:10
The comparitive measures of "booze" spoken about should have quoted whisky at 25ml NOT 35ml. Disproportionate to say the least.The difference in money raised for the gov would of course have been less than stated.
It is cheaper to buy a bottle of whisky in most OTHER countries of the world.To have to travel to get a reasonable deal on your own national produce is lunacy.
Still - most of you lot out there voted these Labour mongrels in.
92

The Dundy,

Dundee 09/03/2008 16:20:46
What, the SNP has noticed policy of Mr Swinney's Cabinet colleague, Justice Min Mr MacAskill? Radio 4's World at One 2 weeks ago, consistent since September 2007 - 6 months ago - in the Scotsman: "KENNY MacAskill announced yesterday his desire to drive up the price of alcohol. He believes this will reverse the culture of alcohol misuse in Scotland.
"He is planning to introduce three measures, which have significant implications for consumers and retailers.

"He plans to halt alcohol promotions, restrict the areas where alcohol can be displayed in stores and, ultimately, set a minimum price for alcohol."

The writer, like Min Swinney, doesn't approve of booze price hikes. Min MacAskill [and for what worth me too] does approve.
93

Sambo,

The deep south 09/03/2008 17:03:24
Was quite happy to not see any increase in the price of Buck fast. The increase in whisky will certainly cut down on underage drinking though.
94

Irgo,

Calgary 09/03/2008 18:56:21
Hope the UK government listens to the Sottish governments concerns over this.A case of Westminster bulling again.
95

karinxx,

09/03/2008 19:24:12
hootsman why no story on the infighting in the labour party and jackie ballie geting tought with dissenters in the ranks