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Published Date: 05 April 2009
AND SO the axe has fallen. Barry Ferguson has gone, Allan McGregor has gone, two ex-Scotland players, two soon-to-be-ex-Rangers players, one departing just five caps short of a place in the SFA's Hall of Fame and the other chucked out just one sandwich short of a picnic.
If McGregor, the dim-witted disciple, was the prime example of rank stupidity in this tortured saga then Ferguson was its director, a once decent player who has within his personality a toe-rag quality, contagious to the likes of McGregor and that ot
her great devotee, Kris Boyd.

Ferguson's brattish disdain has caught up with him but this was no two-man play. The cast of characters in this black comedy stretches into other corners of the Scotland dressing room, into the manager's office and down the corridor to where Gordon Smith and George Peat hang out. The president and all the president's men are involved in this. Boozegate and beyond has claimed two victims but there's been severe damage done elsewhere, not just to individuals but institutions.

On Wednesday night in the mixed zone at Hampden a palpably uncomfortable Stephen McManus said it was time that people drew a line under what had happened. "It'll be forgotten about, as it should be," said the stand-in Scotland captain.

McManus has made a few errors of judgment on the field this season but saying this business will slip from the memory is about as wrong a call as he's made in a while, almost as cock-eyed as saying "it should be". It shouldn't. Not when there are so many questions left to be answered.

Thursday morning press conference, Hampden. What George Burley should have said:

"Okay boys, have you got your notebooks out and your tape-recorders switched on because I don't want you want to miss this. Right, here we go. Barry Ferguson and Allan McGregor will never play for Scotland again as long as I am manager. On Sunday morning they abused my trust, they abused Steven Pressley when he told them to go to bed, they disrespected their team-mates and worst of all they disregarded every football fan in this country, especially the youngsters who look up to them. They got pissed. They missed training. They stuck two fingers up to the nation on Wednesday night and I'm not having it. It would be weak of me to let this pass. They let their country down. They crossed the line and it's unforgivable."

Thursday morning press conference, Hampden. What George Burley did say:

"It's done, can't reverse it. Got to move on. They've got to look at themselves and make sure it doesn't happen again. It wasn't good. It's been dealt with and now we move on. I'm not looking back. You take it in, you assess it, they're aware of it. You hope they learn their lesson. That's got to be the case. They know they were out of order, they held their hands up.

"Nobody's put two fingers to anything. At the end of the day, I could be sitting like that. I'm not giving judgment on one picture, all I'm judging is the team. They could easily say whatever. You can't say definitely somebody's putting up two fingers."

Friday evening statement: What George Burley said on reflection:

"At that stage (when he said nobody's put up the V-sign] I hadn't really seen any papers or watched the match again. When I did, I realised that we (himself and Smith] needed to speak again. The gestures had clearly made a lot of people very angry. We talked again first thing on Friday morning and it was clear that Gordon, George Peat and myself were in agreement about what needed to be done. It's not a decision that was taken lightly, but the SFA have to set an example to other players."

Amateur hour at the SFA: Do any of them have a clue?

The boozing was done in the early hours of Sunday morning, so when do you suppose Gordon Smith found out about it? Sunday afternoon, probably. Sunday evening at a push. So the chief executive had all day Monday and all day Tuesday to find out what he needed to find out and think about what he was going to say when the press inevitably started banging on his door looking for comment.

On Wednesday evening, before kick-off at Hampden, he started to talk. Burley would have been entitled to a show of support from his chief executive in these difficult hours. Or, if he felt he couldn't offer support, Smith should have broken the habit of a lifetime and said nothing at all. Better make yourself scarce than publicly undermining your manager, which is what he ended up doing.

Incredibly, instead of giving an emphatic endorsement, Smith was non-committal on Burley's handling of the crisis. "He's made a decision. I know exactly why he's done it. He's told me his reasons. I'm going along with that just now but we will analyse things later on...We will decide whether it was the best decision and George knows that."

Thanks for nothing might have been Burley's response.

While Smith was flip-flopping, Scotland beat Iceland. Shortly after 11am on Thursday we sat down with Burley at Hampden. He explained, after a fashion, why he kept Ferguson and McGregor in the squad. He was concerned what dismissing them would have done to the morale of their mates in the team. "I had to do what was best for the squad, to keep them focused," he said. "That was the most important thing. Whatever action you take it has to be right for the squad at that moment in time."

Fearing a moping or even a mutinous group of players, he did the right thing, but not after all manner of prevarication. There was talk of the players being sent home and then not being sent home. It is believed that Burley asked them if they wanted to go home, given the media storm that was about to start crashing around their ears, but this hardly tallies with the story of the senior players going to the manager and telling him that they didn't want Ferguson and McGregor leaving the camp.

This is the way the SFA does its business sometimes. Confusion and contradiction. They make themselves look like the most slapdash organisation this side of RBS. The players stayed because the repercussions of them leaving might have been damaging. Burley couldn't have his team bemoaning absent friends when they should have been tuned into the challenge ahead. He got that bit right.

He thought he got the next bit right, too. The chat with Smith took place on Thursday afternoon after which the chief executive offered his belated support. "We now consider this matter to be closed," was the concluding sentence of Smith's press release.

This, of course, was more nonsense.

Enter George Peat who rode roughshod over his own chief executive when calling for a full report on the controversy just hours after Smith had declared the drama over. His own statement made Smith look like a fool. It made the SFA look like an organisation that doesn't communicate with each other. Smith undermines Burley, then backs him, then gets undermined himself by Peat.

Peat says he wants to bring a report before the SFA's board the following week, then the following day, when news reaches Hampden of Rangers' swingeing punishment of their errant players, the SFA hurriedly decides that Ferguson and McGregor are banned for life.

There is still no comment from the manager on his departed duo. All he has said so far about any of this is a statement of the obvious. "It's not ideal. They knew they were completely out of order. What you do is you try and trust people. You're talking about experienced players. You can't hold their hand, you've got to have a little bit of trust which, unfortunately, didn't happen. They know they were out of order, they held their hand ups."

They held their hands up right enough. Two fingers in particular. Having been spoken to "angrily" by Burley and been warned to behave themselves by Walter Smith that was their reaction. They are gone now, the pair of them. But the SFA decision-makers remain in place. They are wounded and discredited. Blind men leading the blind.

Too weak, too paranoid: Why George Burley is on borrowed time.

Listening to him talk on Thursday at Hampden you could almost decipher Burley's true meaning. But, as ever, with the Scotland manager you were never quite sure. Burley appeared to be hinting that Ferguson and McGregor would not play for him again. It wasn't that he said it directly, more he implied it when talking up other players in their positions, when dodging a straight question about whether Ferguson would be his captain next time around.

He spoke about his midfield, said he really liked the look of Darren Fletcher and Scott Brown in the middle, said those two could be a long-term partnership, said he had more options as well, Barry Robson, James Morrison, Paul Hartley and others.

From those comments us tea-leaf readers – about 10 of us from Sunday press – came to similar conclusions. Burley wasn't going to pick the Rangers pair again but he wasn't going to publicly announce it either. His hope, we deduced, was that both of them, Ferguson in particular, would soon accept their fate and retire from international football before the next qualifier in August.

This is his essential weakness. He should have destroyed both players on Thursday morning instead of skirting about the edges of the story. He should have shown strong leadership but he was as weak as ditchwater.

Burley intimated that the players were finished on the one hand and then spoke of them learning their lesson and not repeating their mistake on the other. Even off the record he was not prepared to clarify things once and for all. He talks in tongues. Did he feel personally offended by their abuse of his trust? Did he feel they didn't show him and his staff enough regard? Did he not think he should ban them for all-time? There were no proper answers to any of these questions.

Another tack was tried. Gavin Rae coming on to help close down the game in those frantic closing stages. Gavin Rae and not Barry Ferguson. Surely this was Burley making a point to his former captain? "I wasn't making a point, I was just making a judgment on the team," he said. But Ferguson never even warmed-up. There can't have been an intention in Burley's mind to use him on the night? "Yeah, he was on the bench. If we felt it was right..."

Assuming fitness and form would Ferguson be his captain for the next qualifier? "I don't know," he replied. "I've got to look at the situation. The team did very well last night, some excellent performances, but every game is different."

If you've spent any time listening to Burley that response is tantamount to a "no, he won't be my captain again" but he wouldn't say it and now somebody else has said it for him and Burley looks weak and indecisive and forgiving of players who have now been shunted out of his squad for good.

Burley, you sense, is a nice fella but he needs to discover his inner Souness and fast. A bit of badness is essential in his job. He seems incapable of it. He's a strange type of manager. He's clearly brave and adventurous in his team selections but he's paranoid when it comes to explaining his thought processes when the subject is a little controversial. There were sound reasons for keeping Ferguson and McGregor in the squad after Sunday – team harmony and the pursuit of as relaxed an environment around the players as possible under the circumstances – but on Thursday he was free of all that. He should have been liberated and he should have got out his big axe and chopped down some dead wood in his squad.

If he's going to survive he needs to do two things. First of all, make the play-offs. Second of all, stop being so limp. He may yet do the former but the latter is going to be harder. When Rangers suspended the two players and made it pretty clear that they have no intention of playing them again they showed up Burley and the SFA. It should not have been Walter Smith and Martin Bain who set the agenda on Friday, it should have been Burley and Gordon Smith. And they should have done it 24 hours earlier.

But their heads were too busy spinning. There was a lot of dizziness in this story, a lot of blurred vision, from the drunken players in the bar of the Cameron House, to the Scotland manager, to the chief executive and president. In this week of slapstick, they all had their part to play.



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1

The Kids Are Alright,

05/04/2009 00:15:31
A decent atricle, but rather strong in places.

Suspect it is not far from the truth, but are we not talking about Scottish football players?

Maybe we are not.

Perhaps this is now a political issue, for some writers.

Idee's "Bevvygate" summing up starts to make more sense..
2

The Kids Are Alright,

05/04/2009 00:24:53
If they cut 30 minutes from the video of the Holland game, would we get a draw?
3

Struth!,

melbourne 05/04/2009 00:29:43
Good Article, When all is said and done, it is two highly paid players with responsibilities to many people behaving like 10 year olds( V-sign ). Talk about petulant. Where does the mentality come from to behave in this fashion. No winners here just another sorry tale of average ability footballers taking the p--- and abusing there privelages.
4

The Kids Are Alright,

05/04/2009 00:33:40
Immediate apologies from both players.


That should be noted.


Who hasn't in their life made a mistake.
5

Just an opinion,

USA 05/04/2009 00:44:23
#4 is quite correct, we all make mistakes.
But as Tom English painstakingly points out, Ferguson has a track record which is not what you would expect from either a captain of Rangers far less a captain of Scotland.
PLG had him taped, and the sad part is he became a wasted talent because he never really realized his early potential.
The booze is a hell of a demon which has ruined many sportsmens careers.
So many of the top stars nowadays from other countries have lerned to either abstain, or drink in moderation.

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The Kids Are Alright,

05/04/2009 00:53:15
#5

Nice American spelling...

So if you and Tom are right, we throw the two guys away and say off with you now.

Or, are we more human about this.

Not calling cards, just think this might be a case of washing all our hands, but they are no clean yet
7

Japetto,

Banstead, Surrey, England 05/04/2009 00:53:46
Why do certain elements of the media have this impression that the conduct of George Burley equates to being weak?

If anything I have been impressed by his diplomatic approach to a very, 'highly charged' set of events.

Can anyone, beyond all reasonable doubt, prove that George Burley was not being influenced on these matters by the SFA and Gordon Smith? You have Barry Ferguson, a Rangers captain and former captain of Scotland misbehaving in such a manner. I would suggest he has had some outisde influences on his decision making process. Above all, he has managed to steady the ship and produce a perfomance and result that WE ALL wished as Scotland supporters.

What can be proved is that Gordon Smith is a back stabbing, non trustworthy individual, who should have backed George Burley and his actions to the hilt, instead of his pathetic, non comittal stance! If that is the best our national mananger can expect in such circumstances, then I am disgusted to call myself a Scotland fan. It is truly embarrasing.

As for the backwards booze brothers...good riddance.
I, along with countless others pay and use, considerable amounts of money and time to watch Scotland play at home, never mind the honourable individuals who travel all overseas.

I for one have not one ounce of sympathy for them and the disgusting, self centred, egotistical attitudes they have displayed to all and sundry.

The team selected played well, look balanced and did a very good job all things considered. The formation was spot on and the appliance of Georges tactics worked very well.

Ferguson and McGregor.....WHO?????
8

Japetto,

Banstead, Surrey 05/04/2009 01:00:08
The Pundit #8

The beers, within reason, no issue. Even five or six pints, accepted.

Staying up to lunchtime, abusing other guests at a hotel. no.

Abusing whoever they chose with their antics on the bench for the national team.....TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE.

Deal with it and move on. They have behaved deplorably and deserve to treated as such. I dont remember anyone forcing them to behave in this way??
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05/04/2009 01:00:10
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Japetto,

Banstead, Surrey 05/04/2009 01:12:42
#9

The abuse??...It has been clear to see in the printed and electronic media for the past three days, worldwide.

Steven Pressley....well you have just denegrated any sensible, mature discussion on a disgusting, pathetic set of events involving our national team and allegedly some of our 'professional' footballers.

WELL DONE
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Japetto,

Banstead, Surrey 05/04/2009 01:18:18
#13

Hmmm, what? In normal English or have you had one too many buckies with departed Bazza??

Let me know when you return to the conscious??

LOL
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Japetto,

Banstead, Surrey 05/04/2009 01:27:02
on the basis of the evidence presented..clearly......REGULARLY
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Japetto,

05/04/2009 01:32:27
#17

Errrrr.....No...thank you
14

Japetto,

05/04/2009 01:43:31
Oh how those Buckies mash the mind
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Struth!,

melbourne 05/04/2009 01:44:55
Off with their heads and "The Pundits " for that matter, a few more column inches for us mere mortals.
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jerrymanders,

05/04/2009 01:46:33
thepundit is Chick Young!
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Struth!,

melbourne 05/04/2009 01:49:13
#22
Anythings possible!
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Struth!,

melbourne 05/04/2009 01:54:41
#23
Hey 'thepundit' you still self medicating?
19

The Kids Are Alright,

05/04/2009 02:17:22
Champ

I have no new jokes.

However, being in a JAL airport lounge with a bunch of over weight Japanese business men on their way to Korea for a wee sh#g. may get me working on one.

You can get a shoe shine in the lounge these days.

Who wears their work shoes when they go to fly?

My Addias (autographed by Pele, or it looks like his name). soft shoes don't need a shine.
20

The Kids Are Alright,

05/04/2009 02:38:25
What about the McManus handball, and by the rules (last man) automatic red card.

Has that been lost in the papal work, too
21

The Kids Are Alright,

05/04/2009 02:39:48
Sorry, paper
22

Shantaram,

05/04/2009 02:45:31
I think being banned from Scotland for life is justified, but a 2 week suspension at Rangers would have been enough in my view. To kick them out of Ibrox is definitely very harsh. However, it is obvious that Murray and Smith saw this as an ideal way to get rid of 2 high wage earners from the payroll, and bringing in much needed funds, without incurring the wrath of the Ibrox faithful.

This decision is all about money. No more, no less.
23

Daillyman,

05/04/2009 02:52:13
Japetto is that Paulmac?
24

Daillyman,

05/04/2009 02:53:43
30 Shantaram

What would be the reason for the tic eventually getting rid of the holy goalie for bringing his club into disrepute?
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The Kids Are Alright,

05/04/2009 02:53:50
Whose momey?

Is it not the fans that pay to watch (not votes for the turnstile jumpers)

Give the boys a fair trial.

11 men, or is it 12....
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The Kids Are Alright,

05/04/2009 02:55:34
Dailly

Boruc is a different matter.

He is finished.

The Rangers debate goes on
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Daillyman,

05/04/2009 02:55:40
10 C.

And a well deserved victory for your mob.

Question why would any football teams colours be lime green and blue?
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Daillyman,

05/04/2009 02:58:50
34 bto

Good to hear you are well.

Just returned from a quiet day in the RFC club, after a few cold ones. The consensus here is that WS did the correct thing with BF and McShagger.
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Daillyman,

05/04/2009 03:01:43
pundit

I agree with the last paragraph of your post, but my preference would be Davis and Mendes in the middle and the wide men being Whittaker on the right and Aaron on the left.
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The Kids Are Alright,

05/04/2009 03:15:52
Dailly

My only worries for the next 12 hours are the North Korean missile, and hoping the new movies are on the "inflight service".

I used to think that there might be a chance of a wee cheeky JAL babe serving my lunch, but i have given up hope on that one.

Lunch on JAl is served by the Bears

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Daillyman,

05/04/2009 03:25:29
bto

Why worry about a NK missle, you wont hear it coming.
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stillbelieving,

ayr 05/04/2009 03:39:57
Tom English's article just about sums it up I think, but there is one more individual who must have had his say. Walter Smith and Martin Bain have taken a long time to become the disciplinarians the article claims them to be and have only become so at the point at which BF has clearly become a pretty well worthless asset.
Behind the scenes though David Murray must be absolutely seething that his bold project to bring in a top class european coach in Paul LeGuen was scuppered by a wee ned from Lanark. Rangers are paying a heavy price for their weakness . I think the stand they are taking now snacks of Murray's revenge
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stillbelieving,

ayr 05/04/2009 03:48:04
Eh.... smacks of Murrays revenge
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stillbelieving,

ayr 05/04/2009 03:50:07
How is PLG doing now, how are Rangers doing?
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Daillyman,

05/04/2009 03:57:01
45

PLG did not do his homework on the type of player needed to be signed to succeed in the SPL. He was totally unprepared for the job he took on at Ibrox, much like the dream team of JB and KD at Parkhead.

As the pundit said look at the players PLG chased and signed to play for RFC. Papac excepted.

I give you Sebo.........that says it all.

At PSG he has been given millions to sign quality players such as Guly this season, as well as several other former WC stars. MONEY DOES TALK!!!!!!!!
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Daillyman,

05/04/2009 04:16:27
48 dv

To me, he was like Lovenkrands all the tools but no heart.
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Daillyman,

05/04/2009 04:20:23
dv

Do you think that JB and KD would have come good at Parkhead?

Same scenario, both management teams signed shoite players for their club and got no results. Thats is what OF mangagers are judged on.
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Daillyman,

05/04/2009 04:23:48
55dv

I would have rated KD well above PLG on a playing and management level.
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Daillyman,

05/04/2009 04:29:15
dv

PLG inherited a very good Lyon side that also had a load of money behind them.

This is the only good season he has had at PSG, and that is only after the bank was opened up for him by the owners in the off season. With the money he had available to him I think you would have done as good a job as him, the boss of PSG.
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Daillyman,

05/04/2009 04:39:42
60 dv

Sorry to disagree with you, but it is not time that has allowed PLG to have PSG playing well this season, it is the money he was given to buy quality players like Guily and several other prominent players with WC experience during the off season.

The owners at PSG would never allow their club to get so close to relegation as nearly happened under PLG last season, hence the bank vaults were opened in the off season.
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Daillyman,

05/04/2009 04:44:45
Okay lads I off.

Remember you need 10 paces then throw the handbags.

Nite.
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Daillyman,

05/04/2009 04:48:37
3 easy points the morra pundit
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murren59,

Isle of Arran 05/04/2009 05:24:53
Rangers need to get rid of that co-conspiritor waster Boyd now and give the young Rangers players a chance to develope as true professional footballers in a day and age when personal discipline is all important.

That pathetic pair, Capt'n Boozy and Ale'in MaKegorr, talented as they may have been, are of no use to Rangers, or Scotland, or any other squad with any ambition.
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Jambo Dave,

Edinburgh 05/04/2009 08:24:43
I think what this saga clearly shows us is what we already know,the GAF and the Scottish press are in Murreys pocket.Ask your self when was the bold move made by the GFA? That would be once Riot Commander Murray and Corp Bain saw the chance to off load his over paid duds.
Where were the your banned for life Peat and Bluenose Smith?They were running around saying to each other who will tell Minty?Whats he going think of us?Will we still get our case of wine next Christmas?Who else can we blame?I know we will undermine the manager and try to make him look bad.
Smith the bluenose should be out on his ear but he wont be because they are all in the same trough,over paid and under skilled backstabbers scared of the people who realy run the game the Old Firm.
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05/04/2009 08:24:43
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idee,

S.W.A.L.L.Y. SirWantawayAbsenteeLandLord Yes !!! 05/04/2009 08:54:49
Minty not paying Basket-Ball and McSwallyshagger will save himself £110,000 in the space of two weeks.

Just watch how me manouvres to e-x-t-e-n-d his financial committment to both players.

I wrote on these threads last week that Sir Wantaway would be delighted to simply be able to offload Basket-Ball for nothing just to get his £30,000 per week off of his Rearrangerz wage bill.

I did not think that he would hide behind "S.W.A.L.L.Y.- gate" to achieve that.


Sad.
Isn`t it.
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wayne bijlyeerheid,

05/04/2009 09:52:48
Missed all of this as I have been away for a week.
Good to see Tom English allowing comment on his articles again. Got to give the anti-Rangers obsessives like ideefixe/ajfife a platform to spew their infantile mouthings, of course no one expects the same priviledges for the non celtc minded.
Ferguson/McGregor did wrong, Rangers have acted.
Whatever Rangers do or did will make no difference to the knuckle dragging neanderthals who have nothing else to do but sit in their dark rooms hating the fact that out there are people in blue shirts.
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Bleeding Heart,

05/04/2009 10:05:40
"...when news reaches Hampden of Rangers' swingeing punishment of their errant players, the SFA hurriedly decides that Ferguson and McGregor are banned for life."

Indeed. So, the SFA only got tough when it learned of Rangers' financially-inspired hard-line approach.

Amazing! You'd almost think that the GFA are scared of offending Rangers. But surely that can't be right, can it..?

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Bleeding Heart,

05/04/2009 10:37:47
#104 - I don't think I'm saying that the Scottish media "are pro-Rangers". What did I say that made you think that?

Mind you, there is a substantial body of opinion out there that might just agree with that sentiment....
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05/04/2009 10:43:29
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05/04/2009 10:45:51
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Bleeding Heart,

05/04/2009 11:32:41
I may be a "fool", but I pride myself in being able to read and interpret.

Try reading my post #103 and tell me where I've said that the media are "pro-Rangers".

Maybe you're a bit confused: do you realise that the media and SFA are different organisations?
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AJ Fife,

05/04/2009 12:13:25
It's a sorry state of affairs.

Will the Union Flag at Ibrox be flying at half-mast next week?

The whole episode is a kick in the goolies for the Brit loving Ibrox hordes, but a triumph for all 'right thinking' Scotland supporters!
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Bleeding Heart,

05/04/2009 12:50:39
Why did Rangers feel the need to take ANY particular sanction against either player? They had already been punished by George Burley, after all.

Ferguson, in particular, has devoted much of his life to Rangers. Whatever else he has done, he has been a loyal servant to that club. As such, does he deserve to leave Ibrox under this cloud?

Could Rangers not simply have quietly sold Ferguson in the summer?

It's as though the management at Ibrox haven't had the courage to challenge Ferguson in the past and have seized upon this incident as a means of disposing of a "bad influence" - and a costly one at that.

Rangers may have thought their actions would make them look moral & righteous. On the contrary, Rangers' stance - against Ferguson in particular - has the look of blatant and cynical opportunism.
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Class On Grass,

Villification of GB 05/04/2009 13:51:02

GB is damned if he does, damned if he doesnt by you villifying parasites.
Tell us truthfully, if he´d banned them for life, would you have backed his judgement?

We know you´d be outraged, baying for Burley´s blood.

He stuffed the OF with Hearts. Get over it and back our national manager.

English by name...

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Class On Grass,

On the Skite, all night 05/04/2009 14:02:42

101 Wiggy - A true Sot (sorry, Scot) indeed, to slur our National manager in such a way.

Gers withdrawing all their Scots from playing national football?

Would any Scot then want to play for them? Would McCoist have signed up, or moved back to Saints instead, from his bench in Sunderland?

Far be it from me to have a go at Rangers; they´re a super bunch, ambassadors in the extreme for all things Scottish.

I hope you get your wish Baldy. You dont want any Scots playing for you, after all.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

05/04/2009 14:53:15
The fact that RFC have actually acted correctly on this one seems to stick in the throat of an awful lot of posters on here.

Ferguson and McGregor are idiots who deserve to be seriously punished. Burley and Gordon Smith appear to have shown weakness and have allowed themselves to be undermined.

RFC however, have acted firmly and decisively, and deserve great credit. The posters on here suggesting otherwise would have been lining up to slaughter Rangers if they HADN'T acted, so you can't have it both ways.

As far as seizing an opportunity to create a scenario that would allow for the sale of Ferguson and McGregor, well, I think that SDM created that climate himself in January, and the fans are well aware that there could be a couple of big sales in the summer. So this latest episode offers no real advantage in this regard. It's not as if either Ferguson or McGregor would have topped a poll of "players we must keep" amongst the fan base.

However, I've heard nothing from Ibrox suggesting that there is an intention to sell either player. Thus far, that appears to be a media creation.
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"if ye hate the tartan army clap yir hauns.."

" rule brittania "

Believe it or not, the rearrangerz ARE a Scottish club. That's right. They play in a Scottish league.
But....their fanz hate Scotland and their players hate Scotland.

Their fanz run aroon' in England taps and their playerz drop jobbies on the national team.

Whit are they a's about ? FFS ?
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Watchin' the rearrangerz gem but ah'm tryin' tae get ma dentist oan the blower tae see if he'll extract a coupla wisdom teeth wifoot anaesthetic....jist tae cheer masel' up likesae...
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Three points furra threadberz, but deary, deary, me, whit a loada jobbies they are.

4 in a row...not shall we be moved, likesae.
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Wait tae yi see the bhoyz at ibrox a few weeks hence....Ragz won't know whit's hit them....the leather belts arenae hauf comin' on tae a gem the noo 'n' it'll be green 'n' white lightnin' in Govan efter the split.

The Champions are beginnin' tae show their quwalitae btw, furra first time this season really....the one touch passin' in the final third, composure inna box, steely eyed in the finish...the bhoyz are on fire , 'n' we're comin' tae roast ra berz shortly.
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This article is too harsh on Burley. I don't believe for one second that he's "dithering" or "weak".

He took the initial action to throw the players off the squad, and then made what he believed was the right decision at the time to allow the pair to return, for the sake of morale. After he did that, the statement from Smith - Burley's BOSS - was unsupportive at best, and threateningly foreboding at worst. Burley knew results had not been great so far, and knew his position wasn't rock solid. He was not in a situation where he could publicly dispute the opinion of his boss, particularly given the very obvious leanings of his boss towards one half of the bigot brothers. So he backed off on the rhetoric and started talking about drawing a line under things and moving on, etc. etc., even if his personal opinion on the futures of the pair was less forgiving. Then in steps Peat, at the same time as Minty and Bain put in their tuppence worth, and Smith is well and truly undermined. Does Burley completely change his public stance for the third time in as many days, or does he try and play things down and move on for the sake of damage limitation? He does the latter. Damned if he did, damned if he didn't, and this leaves Burley looking weak and indecisive.

What Burley needs are some bosses at the SFA who could not be mistaken for Coco and Krusty the clowns. Bosses who are objective and decisive, who know when to keep quiet and when to speak out, and bosses who will support him to the hilt when he needs and deserves the support.

What the debate should be focussing on now is who the replacements for Smith and Peat should be. Because that pair are utterly incompetent, and should not be allowed to remain in their current positions.

SOFBTRC!
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After watchin' the threadberz woeful performance earlier today, I didn't think I could stomach another game of football, but man u v villa was a fine example of the beautiful game.

Hard one for villa to take, but I thought man u deserved the three points. They worked tirelessly and fought like lions, and villa just weren't at the races for the last 30 minutes. They almost scraped a draw but in the end the better team won.

We saw the champions show everyone how to play the game yesterday, then the threadberz reminded us how bleedin' awful it can get, but at old trafford we again saw the excitement, the skill, the passion that makes the game sooo good.
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Patrick you have such a short memory, the tic hammered the Saints 7-0 then lose in the cup the following week to the same side.

FYI the Gers also stuck it to Hamilton at Ibrox, no mention about that, yes we were rubbish today, but still got the 3 points in an away match. With all the distractions of the past week at the club, I'll take the 3 points at this time of the season.
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Your right idee, it has been very hard for the Gers to replace a class player like Hutton.

Back for Scotland after a lengthy injury spell and had a very good match on Wednesday, looked like he had not missed a beat setting up our first goal.

Hail Scotlands answer to Cafu.
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Remember the "Saints" you were in form with a 7-0 thrashing of them in the league, yet look what happened 7 days later. lol
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Daillyman,

05/04/2009 18:35:01
To nice day to be sitting inside, going out to watch the wife work in the garden.

Later.
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203 C.

It is a terrible looking strip, you have to agree?

A good win for your lot yesterday, maybe Toronto could get Edu back on loan.lol

Later.
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Don't know how you can feel confident about taking three points off Saint Mirren btw.
The threadberz were rank rotten today...not one player had a decent game. They were absolutely lamentable, and Saint Mirren should be able to get something, mibeez all 3 points.

Rangers got a let off today, but they are a side bereft of quality and it's beginning to stick out like a sore thumb. Dreadful isn't the word for them to be quite honest.

The Celts have gone through a spell earlier this season when they were dire. Could hardly bring myself to watch them at times. But we are coming onto a game and I think we'll win all remaining games. The finishing line is now in sight and the champions have got the bit between their teeth.

4 in a row.
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Bosco Bhoy,

05/04/2009 19:31:49
All in all a good week for the mighty Celtic FC.
Looks like we are maybe finding some form at the business end of the season whilst RFC are busy dealing with another fiasco.

IMHO i cant see how this whole episode cant have a detrimental effect on the chances of Rangers stopping Celtic from making it 4IAR.

This season in years to come, might go down as the one that saw RFC scaled down to a 'viable level'.

To be honest i never thought i would see Celtic truly replace Rangers as the establishment team and where many RFC fans would find it difficult to get behind the Scottish national team.

Changed times from the night in the late 70's when my uncle took me to a Scotland Argentina game only for me to hear Celtic players booed throughout the match by their own support.

Changed times indeed. New landscape and thats what is killing many bears.

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05/04/2009 19:39:49
231 dvincent

Off course its for the better but i dont think the more rabid element of the RFC fanbase who arent really footie fans anyway can handle the new unfolding horizon they see in front of them.

You know all that WATP kak facilitates problems when your clearly not.
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With the Rearrangerz heaving horded masses congregating at Falkirk Stadium today and having nothing to cheer about by their woefully depressing efforts at playing football,never mind entertaining football,then they resorted to their sad and depressing singing and chanting.....

You can shove your tartan army up yer narse
You can shove yer tartan army up yer narse.....

This was clearly heard and caught on LIVE TV both at the start of the game and then sporadically throughout the rest of the game.


Sad.
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"Go on .. deflect and deny ... it's the Celtic way!"

Wasnt sure earlier but thats ninny.

Soon he will be prattling on about Celtic Academy this , private West end school that and dont forget what colour are the newsreaders is his favourite topic.
LOL
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05/04/2009 20:11:11
I've noticed hat about boydchenko whenever he scores ...hatefilled aggression, his face twisted in anger . It's the sort of thing that appeals to the permaragers. Did he do that when he was at killie ?

The Tartan Army is a byeword for the scotland fans. Now, if the rearrangerz fanz 'hate' The Scotland fans, then that can only mean they are not Scotland fans themselves...unless off-course they hate themselves...which in actual fact they probably do, but for other reasons.

Hating the fans of the national team is a very unusual thing for the fans of a club in that particular country...most probably unique.

It sounds like another first furra rearrangerz.
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Boydthebench`s coupon is contorted with anger, hate and venom whenever he scores.

Having said that,dont forget Basket-Balls last ever goal scored for Rearrangerz against Hearts two weeks ago.

Basket-Ball celebrated by running round Ibrox whilst telling his OWN FANZ,Rearrangerz fanz to.....

.....SHUT THEIR GUBZ !!!

That will be Basket-Balls last and lingering farewell to Rearranegrz fanz.....SHUT IT !!


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Darryl King (major laptoployal) on Clyde sounded very foreboding when he spoke of the rearrangerz' financial situation. At one point he let slip that the situation is 'a lot worse than anyone thinks'.

If, come May, the wolves really are at the door doon Govan way, what then ? Apart from Boydchenko,noone wanted to buy any of their players in January. Bolton made an enquiry about Mendes, but he telt them where tae go.

Anxious times for the rangers fanz methink, very anxious times. Over the last 6 or 7 years, Celtic fanz have grumbled a bit as any spare cash went towards reducing the debt. In these uncertain times, we owe the board a great deal of thanks for persevering with their prudence despite fairly widespread criticism for doing so.

The poor auld rearrangerz don't know if they'll huv a roof o'er their heads in the not too distant future.
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Will they still be around next season ? If rangers (there yi go) don't win the league, I seriously doubt that they'll survive.

As we saw in January, clubs everywhere are skint. Only the very big clubs are buying, and they're not interested in any rearrangerz' (oops) players to be quite honest. Same is true of Celtic with the possible exception of McGeady.

The clubs that would be interested in signing rangers quality players are, for the most part, skint themselves. I don't think you'll get very much for mcgregor who is on a reported £20k a week. Not many clubs will pay him that...in fact, I think he'll struggle to get the same terms as he's on at ibrox. Who wants to spend £3m + £20k a week on a goalie who this season has looked average and even blunder-prone at times and who behaved like a total muppet ?

The same is true of Boruc....noone would buy him at the moment, and he has infinitely more experience than McGregor.
Who will pay Ferguson £30k a week ? Anyone who pays him that kind of money needs their head looked at quite honestly.
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James Connolly,

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Celtic really do need to use all their contacts and influence to try and get us into the EPL or at worst the Championship as it is becoming clear with the unfolding events at Ibrox that Rangers will not be able to provide us with the necessary challenge in the years to follow.
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Comical ninny?
Is that 298?
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He does appear to have some anger management issues.

Best probably to follow others lead and ignore this tragic individual.
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Regardless of whether the rearrangerz do go to the wall, Celtic need to get out of the spl and into a bigger league.
We are too big a club for Scotland ....T.V. money aside, we would be well inside the top ten EPL clubs for turnover.

Talk of a europrean league comes and goes, but never leads to anything concrete.
I honestly don't think there will be any change in the next 5 years, and more than likely, the 5 after that.

 

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