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Published Date: 19 April 2009
IT HAS tackled two vices for the price of one. The ban on lighting up north of the border has resulted in heavy-drinking smokers cutting back on alcohol.
A survey of 1,000 adults after the smoking ban was introduced found that Scots smokers who also enjoyed at least two drinks a day cut back by an average of six drinks a week. The research, carried out in America and Scotland, appears to dispel fea
rs that Scots discouraged from pubs because of the smoking ban would consume more alcohol at home.

Sherry McKee, of Yale University, said: "Smokers who were moderate or heavy drinkers drank less in pubs following the ban.

"That is a benefit for public health in that it reduces the alcohol consumption of a category of people who are at most risk from disease. This is the first time it has been demonstrated that smoking bans have an affect on alcohol consumption."

The researchers examined drinking behaviour before and after the ban was introduced. A sample of 525 adults from Scotland made up of 309 smokers and 216 non-smokers was compared with a control group south of the border (534 people of whom 305 were smokers).

The group were interviewed before the ban was implemented in March 2006 and one year after its introduction.

Respondents were classified as abstainers, moderate drinkers and heavy drinkers. Moderate drinkers drank up to 14 drinks a week if they were male and seven drinks a week if they were female. Heavy drinkers exceeded those guidelines.

According to the study, moderate drinking smokers in Scotland reduced their alcohol consumption by four drinks a week. Heavy drinking smokers based in Scotland drank on average six fewer drinks in the pub per week.

Professor Gerard Hastings, of the Centre for Tobacco Control Research at Strathclyde University, who also helped to produce the research, said:

"An encouraging interpretation of these results is that what this legislation is doing is making people think about their health more – not just in terms of smoking, but also in terms of their alcohol intake."



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1

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 19/04/2009 00:43:25

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Do we actually beleive this, or is it 'part plan', of political correctness?

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2

ChrisC,

SouthWest 19/04/2009 00:50:45
Did Tom Peterkin read the study or his article before producing his headline?
It should read --- "Ban drives smokers from pubs"
The report is solely about alcohol consumption in pubs and chooses to ignore the increased drinking at home evidenced by the massive rise in supermarket sales.
I also fail to understand why he should resurrect and so badly interpret a study that is almost 2 years old.
Could it be that he took Hastings biased comment at face value in order to give credence to the most divisive and damaging legislation enacted by the Scottish Parliament?
3

Observer,,

Glasgow 19/04/2009 00:51:17
This is a load of mince. I'm a light smoker so quite frankly the ban suits me as having to step outside minimises the amount I smoke as I only ever smoked a lot when drinking. Heavy smokers will be in the house. And they will be drinking more not less because it's cheaper and you pour your own measures.
4

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 19/04/2009 01:05:17



Well!, it sounded a load of,..'Old-Bull' to me, but I did not like to say-so, glad so far you all agree!


5

Real Lancastrian Pubbite,

south of the border 19/04/2009 01:11:16
This headline should read - Ban helps heavy drinkers to cut their costs. or:
Ban helps heavy smokers to smoke and drink more at the cost of the hospitality industry. or:
Lies and junk science destroy hospitality industry, Thanks ASH. or:
Have Scotsmen worn Kilts for so long that they have become girls? Are they scared of spiders as well? I am ashamed of my heritage!
6

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 19/04/2009 01:16:07

Real Lancastrian Pubbite ~6,

In reference to what you say,.....

"Have Scotsmen worn Kilts for so long that they have become girls? Are they scared of spiders as well"

Yes we are becoming the,..'laughing stock', one says,..."BOO", and we,...."All-Fall-Down"!

7

Woolly Ian,

19/04/2009 08:00:17
A study on drinking/smoking in Scotland with the control group in England.

In a study, a control group should be representative of the whole group. Drinking habits in Scotland and England are different so the whole study is invalidated.

Also, as mentioned by ChrisC, if it dispels the myth tht people will drink more at home, why are sales of alcohol in supermarkets rising?

This is a study that means, shows and proves nothing. How they came to the conclusions they did is beyond me.
8

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19/04/2009 08:01:10
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9

fife runner,

19/04/2009 08:22:49
the above postings are examples of the tiresome predictablity of the pro smoking, anti nanny state, alcohol lobby in this country. yawwwn.
10

Pomodora,

19/04/2009 09:54:20
Is there really a Centre For Tobacco Control Research at Strathclyde University? It reminds me of the American social activist Sol Alinskey who, in the 1940's was offered a grant of $10,000 from the University of Illinois to do six months research to find the number of brothels in Chicago and he said that all he needed was ten bucks and a knowledgable taxi driver and half an hour would sufffice.
11

im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 19/04/2009 10:10:35
pubs may be smoke free,thanks to joke mcconnell but the pubs are also punter free,and most have closed down
take a look around edinburgh,boarded up pubs,which when i passed as kid on a bus ,were packed to the doors
smoke belching out the windows etc
pubs in the city had lunchtime crowds,sadly no more,the other day i saw the "ivanhoe"was boarded up,it used to sell a really nice pint of 80shilling
no big brewerys,no more smoking in pubs in edinburgh or scotland as well
when wee joke saw what was going on in ireland he thought this ban works,but he wouldnt listen to irish publicans,as to the true cost of the ban
what next nae working oan the sabbath,nae sex during the week
its all radio gaga
12

smokey joe 1,

Glasgow 19/04/2009 10:33:39
This guy is an idiot,tobacco sales and alcohol sales have increased since the labour pc smoking ban.
13

Mikey,

19/04/2009 10:35:43
In my local, the car park has been turned into a beer garden and the veranda now has a roof and space heaters. Gues what? All the craic is outside where people can smoke! The only people inside the pub are couples whose faces are tripping them! They don't even talk to each other!

Outside, people are laughing and joking, there are sessions going on and table service so that the punters don't have to enter into the depressive atmosphere created by the ban! In fact, I would harbour a guess that those with their faces tripping them are probably the instigators of the ban!

I'm a smoker. I now sit outside, nice and warm in the winter and nice and cool in the summer!To the health fascists I say, 'you've now got your smoke free pubs - enjoy the atmosphere!'

I do however, feel sorry for inner city landlords who have no space to allow al fresco drinking. They're the ones who are suffering and the ones that will close down. Soon, our inner cities will be pub free and a desert. There again, maybe that was the plan all along.

As a postscript, a younger friend reckons his sex life has never been better since the smoking ban was introduced! He now meets and talks to women outside the pub and while they're indulging in the (il)legal weed because they instantly have something in common! This just goes to prove Newton's third law!

14

english charlie,

19/04/2009 10:38:27
If alcohol sales have increased since the ban, does this mean that non-smokers are drinking more, meaning that the smoking ban has caused non-smokers to drink more and making them more unhealthy?
15

The Strategist,

19/04/2009 10:38:50
Personally I found that having a - thankfully - very minor heart attack did it for me... I went from 40/day to zero within one month with the help of an extremely cute smoking cessation girl and Champix the new receptor blocker drug...

That was over a year ago and I have absolutely no inclination to start smoking again..... I'd also point out that it's saved me a fortune and even more satisfyingly it means I'm no longer contributing my cigarette tax money to that moron Brown!!
16

Hugh Roscombe,

19/04/2009 10:52:28
Smoking narrows the arteries. Alcohol widens them. All your body does when you smoke is to try to balance out the arteries. If you are smoking less your body tells you that you don't need as much alcohol to get your arteries back to normal.
17

Charles IIIX,

19/04/2009 11:31:12
This is typical ‘tobacco control’ propaganda ranking alongside ‘smoking bans are good for business’, ‘second & third hand smoke - kills thousands’ or ‘68% (or similar figure)agree with a total smoking ban’ etc. (all lies and/or manipulation of course) - but it did remind me of this infamous quote;

"Tobacco is unquestionably the greatest obstacle existing to the progress of temperence, and never will this cause (temperence) to triumph. Never will alcoholic drinks be discarded as a beverage, until tobacco ceases to be used..." – Rev. Benjamin I Lane, New York; 1845.

Is the anti-smoking campaign merely a means to an end for the Temperence movement - Has the Temperance movement risen from the ashes under an assumed name (tobacco control)?

The anti-alcohol campaign, now in full swing, mirrors the anti-tobacco campaign almost in its entirety – lie for lie, tactic for tactic, manipulation of statistics, stigmatisation, denormalisation, ………………!

How long before we have a smoke free, alcohol free – freedom-less society?
18

Observer,,

Glasgow 19/04/2009 11:36:00
19 Great fantasy Hugh ! I'll tell myself that next time I light up and uncork the bottle.

At the end of the day we are all going to die. I think enjoying yourself in the process is quite a good idea.
19

Observer,,

Glasgow 19/04/2009 11:38:54
You could probably live to being 500 if you avoided drink, drugs,tobacco, sex, rock'n'roll, red meat, strong cheeses and arguing. Well, what's the point ?
20

im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 19/04/2009 11:49:27
#18 yes although they said i had a mild heart attack,there was nothing mild about the pain lol
i stopped 2 years ago after mild heart attack,i used the patches and found i no longer felt the urge to smoke
i used to go through half an ounce of GV or even 1 ounce a day,worse when i was playing games online
now i do get the odd need for 1 but will never go back to the weed,i started at 19 ,yes i know im an eejit lol
so for the 1 year before,i still went into smokey pubs for a pint,also the reek of pipe smoke at easter road or tynecastle wasnt that bad sometimes,
#22 remember woody allens film where he awoke in the future,asked for some health foods,and was told ,"sory they are banned,it was boozing and smoking which kept you healthy"
21

Media at One,

19/04/2009 12:08:44
Pubs will close, jobs will be lost at cigarette companies and bars. Ad agencies will need to retrench workers because alcohol companies will no longer be able to advertise. The companies that make lager taps will be out of business, glass companies will suffer etc etc etc
But hey, we might save the lives of people who want to smoke whilst financially detroying the lives of those who dont.
22

Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

19/04/2009 12:25:40
I look forward to the day they stop testing cigarettes on animals...as if they still need to continually abuse living creatures in this way...what a joke...
23

english charlie,

19/04/2009 12:31:39
Champix. The suicide pill for those who want to quit smoking for good, is now being used to help drinkers quit for good. I would sooner live and smoke and drink.
24

blackley,

Edinburgh 19/04/2009 12:41:44
#15 Sounds idyllic! Thank god I gave up smoking.....
25

Hugh Roscombe,

19/04/2009 13:22:23
"I look forward to the day they stop testing cigarettes on animals"

I want to be reincarnated as a beagle in a lab. What a life. 40 fags a day plus bed and board.
26

Statsman,

Edinburgh 19/04/2009 13:32:02
Real science doesn't need to be dressed up as PR and spin.

For example, what exactly does "Heavy drinking smokers based in Scotland drank on average six fewer drinks in the pub per week." mean? Does it mean they are drinking much more away from the pub? Most people would hazard a guess that it does mean that in practice.

Surely that is actually a very negative thing?

From what I have looked seen so far, the smoking ban for the illusion of 'risk' from 'passive smoking' has increased the take up of cigarette smoking amongst young people, increased alcohol consumption, socially excluded old people and resulted in the closure of hundreds of pubs - many at the heart of the community.
27

Belinda-2,

19/04/2009 15:59:19
'Heavy drinking smokers based in Scotland drank on average six fewer drinks in the pub per week.'

How is this meant to 'dispel fears that Scots discouraged from pubs because of the smoking ban would consume more alcohol at home'?
28

Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

19/04/2009 16:09:46
28...Aye well hopefully you will not be reborn as a baboon in the womb...in which case you will be given massive doses of nicotine, experimented on and killed before you even see the light of day....
29

Tris,

19/04/2009 17:11:04

This is an arguement that won't go away.

I'm happy with the McConnel ban personally, because I hated the smell of smoke that clung to me after being in the pub. Having to wash all your clothes and take a shower because you'd been for a pint was a pain and I used to always have a headache after being in a smoke filled pub.

But I can totally understand how incredibly frustrating it is for smokers who loved a fag with their drink, and yes, I do know some who now drink at home and smoke there, and who drink a lot more because it's cheaper and they don't have to worry about getting home.

Who knows whether it is working to bring down smoking related illness, or whether it will work in the long term... but from a selfish point of view, I love it.
30

Chatatara,

Edinburgh 19/04/2009 18:31:11
I you want to drink you will drink. If you want to smoke you will smoke.
31

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 19/04/2009 19:17:57
I was in one of thae cities and when I got back my hair and clothes stunk.

Time to ban cities.
32

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 19/04/2009 19:20:28
The only reason they had a total ban was that smokers would have kept all the bars the anti smokers wanted.
33

stan102,

19/04/2009 20:36:18
And of course under New Labour the price of a pint at £3.50 and a packet of ciggies at nearly £6.00 did not factor into the equation. New labour.. new Sleaze.. new Lies and new taxes but never mind the money grabbing profit at all costs scum in the banks are oki so thats all that matters
34

David WB,

19/04/2009 22:57:09
As some have astutely pointed out - this is pure spin

'Heavy drinking smokers based in Scotland drank on average six fewer drinks IN THE PUB per week.'

I'm not a heavy drinker and because I was usually the driver (country boy), I consumed very little alcohol in the pub. Now, I don't drink at all in pubs, but drink more at home. Home made wine, home brewed beer. Tastes nicer and no tax for Nanny. Started growing our own (duty free) tobacco as well. It's very easy to grow and has no added rubbish - it's not tobacco that's dangerous, it's the chemicals added to cigarettes. Curing it is a bit tricky, but with a bit of practice we'll crack it....



35

Kenny A,

19/04/2009 23:00:28
More stupidy, heavy drinking smokers are doing more of both but just in the house, the pub to be honest controlled these habits to an extent. More power to the guys who write the statistics, more people in hospital I fear.

Legislation has now gone beyond the mad factor and into relems undreamed by science fiction. An example is a couple of days ago on one infrequement visit back to the UK, in London I saw a sign saying do no walk on the pavement.(sidewalk) for American readers.

This gave a stark choice of either going into the road and being minced to pulp in the traffic or doing a spiderman and crawling up walls to get to my destination.

I took a taxi in the end.

The UK has gone nuts.
36

mandyv,

bannitland 20/04/2009 02:49:02
26# Same here, I would rather lose 10 years off my life, than the rest of it, with that stuff. No nasty pictures on them either.

I knew I would not be the only one, who consumption of alchohol has risen since the ban.
I think the majority on here have got these so called "surveys" "statistics" ect sussed.

freedom2choose.info fighting for choice and TRUTH, smokers and non-smokers welcome.
37

Robbz,

Ottawa Canada 21/06/2009 18:34:00
For #36 (& all)
Ottawa placed a 100% ban on indoor smoking in public places (pubs, restaurants, etc) back in '01 (put me out of work as I was sales/service for an air filtration company). The smokers are still there, just doing it on the sidewalk (pavement, for UK readers ;-> ).

So, the city passed a bylaw stating that you can't smoke within 9 meters of a public doorway. That doesn't stop the smokers on the pub streets. But one city councilor (a left wing nut) wanted bylaw officers to start handing out tickets to smokers who smoke whilst walking in a shopping district (ie. within 9 m of a shop door). Ah, but the city is now considering banning smoking in cars that have children under the age of 18.

For the smoker/drinker who does so in the privacy of their home, be careful in Ottawa. Council may come boot-stepping in there to keep you from doing even that.

UK gone nuts? Come to socialist Canada...

 

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