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Published Date: 21 January 2007
ACCORDING to the pre-publicity, Alex Salmond will this morning reassure viewers of GMTV that both the Queen and sterling will be safe in his hands. "After discussions with the Palace," Salmond solemnly declares, the monarch will be re-dubbed "Queen Elizabeth of Scotland". I have the feeling that delusions of grandeur are setting in.
Indeed, if Scottish Nationalism suffers another false dawn in May, the past week will be remembered as a bit of a turning-point. Salmond had the chance to get the referendum monkey off his back, hesitated and then retreated from taking it. Instead, h
e went ever deeper into his two for the price of one strategy - vote Nationalist for Holyrood but only as a stepping-stone to the grand design.

The commitment to put an independence referendum in train within 100 days of the May elections is flawed for a range of reasons. Jim Sillars, with characteristic rigour, pointed out some of them. Governments, at any level, cannot spend money on matters outside their legislative competence. The Nats, if they ruled alone, would see this as a trifling objection and welcome the ensuing confrontation with the hated British state.

Even in their more optimistic moments, they do not expect to rule alone. So the first decision for potential coalition partners would be whether to collaborate in this enterprise. Salmond would doubtless have any remaining Trots eager and willing by his side, along with the zanier Greens. It is difficult to see any more serious takers being interested. And if they are not prepared to coalesce on that issue, they can't on anything else either.

Salmond tried to defuse the problem by pushing the proposed referendum to the back-end of the next parliamentary term although the enabling bill would be published within the 100 days. But this was a clumsy half-way house which makes matters worse rather than better from the perspective of potential coalition partners, notably the Lib Dems, who do not subscribe to the separatist objective.

For four years, two parties with fundamentally conflicting objectives would have to work in supposedly common cause. The SNP's entire vested interest would be in demonstrating that Scotland's health, education, policing and all the rest of it could not be satisfactorily funded or administered without the independence coup de grace. No political party which would soon need to argue the precise opposite in a referendum could ally itself to that strategy.

These are the slightly longer-term, strategic reasons why the referendum commitment would either be ditched after polling day or prevent the SNP from entering into coalition government. But the more immediate outcome of Salmond's insistence on a referendum is that it gives his opponents the absolute right to campaign against breaking up the United Kingdom, rather than merely against giving the Nationalists a temporary place in the government of a devolved Scotland.

Before my green ink friends reach for their quills, I should point out that I am doing no more than endorsing the view of one of Salmond's most ardent admirers, the former MSP Duncan Hamilton, who recently wrote that it was time for "a disciplined refusal" to talk about independence and that it would be "a disastrous error" to fight the devolved elections on that platform. Yet this is precisely the irreversible path that Salmond has opted for.

For tartan political anoraks, some in the Holyrood press gallery, the prospect of four years of turmoil culminating in the thrill of a referendum is the stuff of dreams. They are, however, a minority. Most Scots want decent government that does not cause them too much trouble. Some might think it is "time for a change". But there is not the slightest indication that they want Holyrood to become the cockpit for four years of pre-referendum mud-wrestling, with their parents' health and children's education caught in the middle.

Holyrood's electoral system is designed to create permanent coalition. That was undoubtedly done with the SNP in mind since Donald Dewar and his fellow-drafters round the curry table were happy to forego the prospect of there ever being an outright Labour majority in return for the near-guarantee that there would never be a separatist one either. The flaw in this construction is that it becomes very difficult to vote for change without risking the kind of change most of them do not want - ie drastic constitutional upheaval.

This reflects the debilitating weakness in Scottish politics - a point well made by James Boyle in last week's Newsnight debate. Because the politics of the constitution have become so predominant within Scotland - though there is not the slightest confirmation this is the mindset of the people as opposed to their self-appointed opinion formers - we are left with a choice between centrist consensus and referendums leading to separation. The victim of this unwelcome framework is creative or radical thought, which is what Scotland used to be good at. Everything has to be fitted into the straitjacket of tedious constitutional debate.

I don't agree with the electoral system because it panders to that assumption. No voting system should be geared to producing a particular outcome and it should be possible for people to vote for change without endorsing constitutional upheaval. These are points Salmond would have been entitled to make in putting the referendum commitment onto the far back-burner. Instead, because he cannot help himself, he made the exact opposite one - vote SNP as a stepping-stone to the full monty. And if the first referendum does not succeed, then they'll have another and another. They only have to win once.

Does Scotland want this? Do we want our interest rates set by a foreign country? Do we want every English-based employer in Scotland turned into a foreign investor? Do we want our friends and relations in Corby and Newcastle to be citizens of a separate state? The Holyrood elections should not be about these questions - but Salmond has ensured that they must be.



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1

Bill, Dunblane,

21/01/2007 00:50:36

Brian Wilson - bitter, twisted, anti-Scottish - no change then!

2

Ged Devine,

Manhattan 21/01/2007 01:13:30

Well said Brian. He knows that Irish catholics like ourselves will be persevered against if Scotlsnd was free. The Labour Party is the only think that will protect Scotland's catholics from protestant domination and house burnings etc..

3

Wisnaeme,

Sent to Coventry. 21/01/2007 01:19:50

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Comment 1.

I think you can add rabid to that list ,Bill.
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4

sheena,

on the night shift 21/01/2007 01:46:12

'there is not the slightest confirmation this is the mindset of the people' says Brian Wilson. I wonder which newspapers and polls he has been reading. I hesitate to make any response to this diatribe, which is probably best ignored as the rambling rant that it is, other than to point out that the quickest way to get on with debating the so called 'real issues' is to have the referendum asap. Then Scotland can get on with setting other matters to rights without interference from the likes of Ruth Kelly. And how can Brian Wilson blandly admit that parent's health and children's education are in urgent need of attention when his lot have had charge of them for umteen years. He has no shame.

5

Frodo the Scot,

calton creek WEST 21/01/2007 02:46:12

What the H--- have irish catholics got to do with Scotlands descision on devolution? You ALWAYS have the right to LEAVE. Dont EVER forget the great John Knox the great Scottish Patriot who told a certain 666 minion in rome "get thee behind me Satan" And we dont need
any sh--stirring from deportees in manhatton.

6

Ged Devine,

Manhattan 21/01/2007 03:17:45

#5 - in independence, we will have to leave, as our houses will be burnt down. We only have the Labour Party that can stop this - people like Brian Wilson and the Glasgow Council.
I've left anyway, and now have a successful business, which I could never have had in Scotland.

7

Bill, Dunblane,

21/01/2007 03:37:44

5 AND 6 - ????????

8

donald,

weegieland 21/01/2007 08:30:29

So when are Celtic fans going to boo their Unionist director?

9

Ian G,

Edinburgh 21/01/2007 09:29:43

Education: Health; Crime and Security all gone to hell due to labour's twisted evil mindset.
Our young men and women involved in a war they should never have been set to by a labour government.
Rules are set to fit with southern England, interest rates are set by the bank of England.
Our currency is Sterling which is english, if the euro goes up or down affects our own currency and interest rates.
Southern Ireland is NOT at war.
Southern Ireland is not more crime ridden.
There is NO border post to cross where one needs a passport.
The pound and the euro are interchangeable freely on the border of Ulster and Ireland.
Great Britain is a member of the European Union NOW an Independent Scotland can never be even worse run by Scots than english who have given away our steel our fishing waters and taken us into an illegal war all within the Union.

Who runs our unions? Labour.
Who runs most of our councils? Labour.
Who Governs Scotland ? Labour.
Who governs the U.K.? Labour.
Who represents us in Europe? Labour.
Whats wrong? Labour!

Scotland can't afford to continue down this downtrodden path. We can continue with more of the same or take a decision to change it in May.
I say make it happen! Lets take responsibility and vote labour out.

Now is one a muslim first or Scottish first?
Does one impose religious doctrine upon others or do we have equal justice for all no matter their creed: colour; Sexual orientation or religion?
Is one in fact a catholic first or Scottish?
You are entitled to follow your chosen religion you are not entitled to impose it on others.
Laws against 'Discrimination' applies to everyone.
Muslim: Catholic or Protestant.
All relgous bigots are free to leave Scotland and move to Manhatten or anywhere else.

10

Mikey,

21/01/2007 09:46:13

I've had to try to 'persevere' with the nut from Manhattan but just can't! Keep taking the tablets biy, keep taking the tablets.........

11

GW,

Aberdeenshire 21/01/2007 10:52:28

Brian Wilson asks 'Do we want our interest rates set by a foreign country?'

Hang on... interest rates are set in London, based in the main, on inflationary pressures in the South East of England. How exactly would interest rates be set after independence that would be worse for Scotland?

Use this argument while you can, Brian. One day we will all be using the Euro (with interest rates set even further away!)

12

Blarney,

Edinburgh 21/01/2007 11:01:22

I can't believe that this is Brian Wilson's view, he always struck me as a truthfull. honest and impartial. He always put scotlands needs above his own and...............oh wait a minute, it was just a dream, that's right, he's another yesterday's man, just like Sillars, the both of them have spat the dummy oot, bottom lips protruding like a ski jump, hands thrust deep into their trooser pockets and kicking stones, muttering "ah cood a bin sumwan".

13

bratachdubh,

21/01/2007 11:02:36

"in independence, we will have to leave, as our houses will be burnt down. We only have the Labour Party that can stop this - people like Brian Wilson and the Glasgow Council."

What century are you living in? Labour are the party which promotes bigotry and sectarianism as part of their divide and rule strategy. Only once they are utterly discredited will the nonsense of sectarianism be relegated to the dustbin of history.

And as for Wilson's pathetic 'Do we want our interest rates set by a foreign country?' - we already do, Brain. It's called England.

14

Jemima,

north of scotland 21/01/2007 12:20:58

Meoooow Brian. Could hardly read the report for wiping the spewing bile off the page...... What are you so afraid of? And how patronising of you to refer to people who care for their environment as your "green ink friends". What's wrong with caring? By the way, thanks for pointing out that the SNP only have to win once, then they can have a referendum, you've cleared that up then, they can have one - great!!!

15

robert SHIVAGO,

livingston 21/01/2007 12:31:12

what a lot of claptrap from a member of a corrupt government.bar him out of scotland and take the scottish blood [if any] out of his veins.

16

Denise,

Shetland 21/01/2007 12:32:22

"Do we want our friends and relations in Corby and Newcastle to be citizens of a different state?"

Actually it wont make a blind bit of difference Brian!
They'll still be our friends and relatives, because unlike you, we have grown up as a nation.

17

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livilion,

livingston 21/01/2007 13:32:02

17. God Devine
I smell a Troll!

19

Roy Beers,

Lilliput (West) 21/01/2007 13:54:23

Anent number 16; actually Corby has been a de facto Scottish colony these many decades past: although as ASBO capital of the Uk I fear the answer to Brian's question may well be "absolutely!".
Number 14 is upset at Brian's use of the phrase "green ink friends" in his latest Private ("wur aall doomed!") Fraser rant: this is New Labour speak for "anyone who displays a scintilla of disagreement with me", which would appear to be quite a few folk. I'm surprised he mentions the Newsnight "debate", in which his own team, such as it was (eg, Wee Dougie Alexander) were embarrassingly, cringe-makingly inept. It was memorable chiefly for the contribution made by Kelvin McKenzie, former editor of the Super Soaraway and eternal archetypal taxi driver.
He appears to represent a potent skein of English opinion which doesn't have the career interest of the Alexanders, Wilsons, etc, particularly at heart ...

20

Neil,

9% Growth Party 21/01/2007 14:19:43

The SNP cannot & therefore shoudn't try to hide their separatism but if they win it will be, as with most elections, the economy stupid which does it. On this Labour's growth record is abysmal. The SNP's chance of getting the Scottish people prepared to make this leap will depend on how well they manage the very substantial powers Holyrood has now.

21

NBJT,

21/01/2007 15:33:17

More utter garbage from Brian !!!!!!!!!

22

BenDover,

21/01/2007 15:51:22

I wonder what his compatriots at Parkhead make of his "Hun like tendencies". I wonder how mayny of them realise that they have an uber Unionist polluting their ranks?

23

Eve,

Scotland 21/01/2007 16:14:24

#2. Ged Devine: Your talking RUBBISH, Few people in Scotland wish catholics any harm. (I only wish the same thing could be said about you and it has nothing to do with your relgion or the football team you might suport)

Did you not read my reply to you yesterday on Comment #187 about Gorden Brown and the Football? I Suggest you go have a wee read at that.
And start thinking rasonaly for once.

24

Eve,

Scotland 21/01/2007 16:27:38

Heres the link Ged Devine

Read comment #187 and start making some sence.

http://news.scotsman.com/politics.cfm?id=103082007

P.S. 1/2 of my family is not going to go around torching the 1/2 of my familys house nore are they going to chase them out of Scotland.

A wee bit commences is need to be enlighted in your head I think.

25

SC,

21/01/2007 16:28:39

Things are starting to look a bit juicy.

Labour are going to get a good kicking this May, and maybe, the SNP will be the largest party.

GB is going to become PM and all hell is going to let loose in England...no doubt whipped up by the Conservative Party (on our side for a change).

David Cameron is going to sweep to power in three years time.

The Barnett Bribe is going to by cut.

Things are not looking good for the Unionist viewpoint. All the pillars of Labour's unionism are looking decidely shaky.

Influence in a larger country shown for the sham it is, no more (laughable) dividend and a Tory government to boot!

26

Freedom,

21/01/2007 17:07:33

How did BW get in to owing and setting the west highland free press from a skint student ? here's one view, during his dundee uni days when he spouted that the armed struggle was the only way to independence he was then paid a visit from the special branch and was told to behave himself and like many before him took the ancient offering of lands in the south by getting a fund to set up his own paper and support the union, like m. shinwell etc before him, until he drops deed.

27

Eve,

Scotland 21/01/2007 17:21:50

#26. Freedom: Bought and Sold to the highist bidder.

He must have seen ££££££ signs and forgot his morals.

28

Jock Tamson,

Inside Brian Wilson's Wee Heid 21/01/2007 17:52:02

I am only a side issue to deflect from the real story

29

Fairfax,

21/01/2007 19:29:39

Brian Wilson: "and sterling will be safe in his hands."

This is careless reporting. The Pound Sterling is English money. Salmond can claim that a resurrected Pound Scots would be safe in his hand and, as an economist, I suspect he would know the difference, but the Pound Sterling ceases to be the currency of Scotland on independence. Presumably, Scottish fiscal policy would initially aim to keep the new Pound Scots close to Sterling in value but, since the currency will presumably float, it could well be traded at values very different to Sterling shortly after independence. For example, if the price of oil were to sharply rise again, then the Pound Scots would probably rise similarly.

30

Bonnie Laddie,

21/01/2007 21:21:56

Brian Wilson was good when he was in the Beach Boys

31

Bonnie Laddie,

21/01/2007 21:24:41

So there will be problems - this is the kind of backward claims consistently rolled out when any country or colonial region seeks independence - people evolve and deal with it

Let’s get independence and then deal with it - it’s like dealing with divorce - both sides eventually get over it !

32

BedwardTheFlyingPreacher,

Where the snobs, Sassenachs and rich folks are... 21/01/2007 21:29:50

Hey Ged Devine, you're absolutely right! The streets will run with Papish blood after independence. Tell all your friends and relatives to leave now, before it's too late! And make sure they take Keith O'Brien, Tommy Burns, the Lanarkshire Labour party and all the other paranoid, defensive, whiny, homophobic, reactionary, bead-rattling empire-builders with them.

33

livilion,

livingston 21/01/2007 21:38:30

#29. Fairfax
you are guilty of careless posting Fairfax.

The pound sterling has been British since 1707, inspite of what it says on the English paper money.

From 2007/8 it MAY become purely English again, who knows?(pardon the pun)

This pound has been tied to the silver standard, the gold standard, the dollar and gold via Bretton Woods until 1971 and the Deutchmark during the reign of Maggie Thatcher.

For Scotland to shadow the pound sterling should hardly be worth commenting on as it is simply an exercise in stating the obvious, and of very little consitutional consequence.

The Irish followed the same policy from 1922 onwards, for several decades, to no ill effect.

34

Eve,

Scotland 21/01/2007 23:18:10

#32. BedwardTheFlyingPreacher: I hope your being surcastic!!!

But is no funny you should be claming people like that down no winding them up so they'll scream about an imargenry great injustet towards them and thoes they consider as their people.

I'm sure there are plenty of people in Scotland like me who have both Cathilics and Prodicents in their faimily and have love for them both. And would dream of slaging off one of these relgions.

35

Dave M,

22/01/2007 00:05:10

6 Ged Devine

Aw, pet lamb.

36

Dave M,

22/01/2007 00:09:18

I forgot to say in post 35;

Brian Wilson makes my toes curl.

37

BedwardTheFlyingPreacher,

Where the snobs, Sassenachs and rich folks are... 22/01/2007 00:24:00

Yes Eve, I was being sarcastic, and I suspect (well, hope) that Ged may well have a sense of humour too. But we do have people in our wee country who choose to separate themselves from their neighbours depending on which branch of the same religion they suscribe to. I have no time for these people, and would be happy if they all bugger off to Craggy Island or Ballymena, whichever suits them best.

38

Fairfax,

22/01/2007 00:41:31

Livilion (33): "you are guilty of careless posting Fairfax."

I don't believe so, Livilion. Mr Salmond views on currency after independence could no longer refer to Sterling, the traditional name of England's currency since at least the mid 12th century, which did indeed become Britain's currency in 1707, but would cease to be Scotland's after dissolution of the Union. He can only say that the Pound Scots would be safe in his hands.

I do not claim that shadowing Sterling, if independence took place, would be of constitutional consequence, merely that, in an era of freely floating currencies, divergence should be expected, since currencies cannot be controlled by governments -- witness John Major's failure to support Sterling in 1992. In particular, since trading in Scotland's currency would reflect oil prices, unlike Sterling after independence, divergence is fairly likely: that's life. We should expect a brisk cross-border arbitrage trade to arise, as exists in Ireland.

39

Scullion,

Canada 22/01/2007 01:53:52

Most countries use a "dirty" float for their currencies-allowing them to float within a specific range and buying and selling them to keep them within that range. I wouldn't make too much of the English or Scots Pound (the Euro would make more sense) as, in strictly economic terms, the supply and demand for each should reflect the business each does with each other. Many countries use foreign strong currency with little effect on their economies e.g. Canada and the Bahamas use the U.S. dollar as acceptable money. Although it may have a psychological impact, put it low on the list of priorities after independence.

40

Seanvi,

Disillusionland 22/01/2007 05:24:23

its 5:22am here , first thing in the morning im notifying the SNP that my membership is cancelled.

The decision of the monarchy was supposed to go to a referendum .

What an own goal by alex salmond .

41

livilion,

livingston 22/01/2007 08:12:05

40. Seanvi, Disillusionland

Eh??
When did the monarchy come into it?

Awe you're just having us all on, you're no more a member of the SNP than I am.

Even I know that it has been SNP policy since, forever, that the position of Scotland, after the anullment of the Treaty of Union, would be that the country revert back to her status before Union, which included the Queen as head of a constitutional monarchy.

At a future date, to be decided, there will be a referendum on this, should that be the will of the people of Scotland.

btw Is Queen Elizabeth not Queen of Scots, rather than Queen of Scotland?

IOW No own goal, but diving in the box by Mr Wilson and the Scotsman.

A possible red card offence for trying to get someone else sent off by cheating.

42

Minnie,

22/01/2007 09:24:15

Brian that was a scary bit of bile spewing there, you nearly scared me.

"Do we want our friends and relations in Corby and Newcastle to be citizens of a different state?"

It has to be said, I have no problems with my Irish relatives and friends being of a different state? Am I missing something here, is Newcastle and Corby special for some reason?

43

Minnie,

22/01/2007 09:35:50

How nice would it be if we had a fair and balanced press? One with journalists who can look at things objectively and with calm. Instead, more often than not, they ply their trade just as politicians, peddling, doom, gloom and telling us that we are not big enough nor clever enough to run our own affairs.

They scream out at us as if we are stupid children, if that fails they try and frighten us against voting for our own interests by attacking and slurring the politicians that we intend to vote for.

Its already started and I can see the hysterical mudslinging and scare stories only getting worse as the time of the election nears. Soon they will try and trash anyone who dares consider voting SNP as tribal, xenophobic, living in some tartanised vision of days gone by.

All utter rubbish of course, I for one wont fall for it, but it is going to get worse. How I truly wish we had a National Newspaper that reflected the nation it represents.

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22/01/2007 09:55:45
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Peter McWilliam,

Coral Springs, Florida 22/01/2007 17:42:49

Pathetic little man. All the usual rubbish that will come pouring out of these individuals with their scare tactics as May draws nearer. Thankfully, we're not as stupid as they think.

46

Harryc,

22/01/2007 17:53:31

*sighs* how predictable, you either MUST agree with the Nats view that we must be independent or end up on the recieving end of their acid tongues. Hey here's a thought, I understand that Scots wish to be independent because they disagree with the UK foreign policy. OK, so I'm sure there's many US states who disagree with the American foreign policy too, but are places like Alaska or Hawaii talking about reducing the number of stars on the US flag all for the sake of that? The answer is No! I do get the feeling this country really does need to grow up.

47

livilion,

livingston 22/01/2007 18:58:12

46. Harryc / 5:53pm
Are you absolutely sure about that Harry?

"Those who are willing to trade freedom for security deserve neither freedom nor security."
~ Benjamin Franklin

Hawaii
http://www.instanthawaii.com/cgi-bin/hawaii?Sovereignty

Alaska
http://www.akip.org/history1.html

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Fairfax,

22/01/2007 20:43:48

Hawaii has generally been very positive towards Britain: its state flag still includes a Union Jack, see

http://www.britishempire.co.uk/maproom/hawaii.htm

Perhaps we should suggest a straight swap of Scotland for Hawaii, once Bush and Blair have retired.

49

Eve,

Scotland (a separatist and proud of it ) 22/01/2007 20:46:45

Heard the News yet!!! We're being betrade by whitehall.

Every Scot should read this..

http://www.theherald.co.uk/politics/news/display.var.1137...
Qutote:
"The diminishing role of the Secretary of State for Scotland has meant that there is no longer a hard-hitting voice within cabinet meetings speaking out on behalf of Scottish interests" Michael Aron

The BBC are also talking about it
Heres a quto:
"Whitehall departments are routinely ignoring the Scottish Executive and Scotland's interests across the board suffer as a consequence" Nicola Sturgeon (SNP deputy leader)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/6286827.stm

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fiferjohn,

benbecula 22/01/2007 21:26:33

nothing new there it is just what we all ready knew .just hope it makes the die hards like royster wake up and smell the roses and do the right thing and end this unfair union

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Seanvi,

22/01/2007 21:52:11

Livilion #41 I am a member of the SNP , sorry to break it to you . I have been for about 2 years now, although I have never been to a branch meeting I have donated frequently .

I was under the impression there WOULD be a referendum on wether to keep the german/anglo-saxon queen on not . This is perfectly acceptable to me, not just that but desirable as I am a democrat. I will be seeking these assurances from the SNP.

But the fact that an SNP msp said he wanted to exchange scotlands public holiday of the queens birthday for st andrews day kind of suggests some degree of subtle anti-monarchist.

Im just a little worried they are trying to be all things to all people here with this one because salmond has been less forthcoming in the scottish press about keeping the queen . more in the english media .

As long as this promise of a referendum is kept im happy , but if they are considering backing down on this referendum when they get thier independence I will feel very cheated and suitably protest against them for being a parcel of rogues who wouldnt let scotland decide .

I will be posting as many comments on as many sites about this until people get a definitive recent answer as it is the run up to the election and honestly comes first for me , before any party allegience .

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livilion,

livingston 22/01/2007 23:22:01

#51. Seanvi

I find it hard to believe a card carrying member of the SNP would believe the likes of Brian Wilson or the Scotsman before his own party.

This is the reason you're turning in your card?

SNP policy on the Monarchy
http://www.snp.org/independence/questions/constitution/qu...

""Will the Queen still be Head of State?

The Queen and her successors will remain Head of State, in the way that she is presently Head of State in fifteen other independent Commonwealth countries. If, in the future, the people of Scotland wished to change these arrangements, they would be free to do so by amending the constitution through a referendum, and it is the SNP’s policy that the issue should be tested by such a referendum once Independence is fully in effect. Ultimately, the decision rests with the people of Scotland.

The constitution which the SNP favours will define the powers of the Monarch, removing a number of her present powers, though she will still confirm Parliament’s nomination of a Prime Minister.


The Queen, in her Scottish capacity, will be constitutionally barred from acting on the advice of her Westminster Ministers.

The Scottish Government will only make such payments as cover the cost of the Queen’s official engagements while she is acting as Scottish Head of State, and will make no contribution to the upkeep of other members of the Royal Family. The intention would be for the Monarch in Scotland to have a more informal role than has traditionally been the case in the UK.

During periods of absence by the Monarch, the SNP proposes that she be represented by the Chancellor of Scotland, an officer appointed by Parliament, whose role would also encompass that of Parliament’s Presiding Officer""


I've never been a member of any political party and it onl

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Seanvi,

23/01/2007 00:05:03

Well it doesnt really matter if your convinced or not. cos its the truth , i can even scan and email you my membership card , up to date and everything .

I have already read something to the effect of this in my membership handbook what you pasted. but in saying that , im not too big to climb down and say perhaps I should have given more thought to my post as well as it being a late night. (8 hour round trip from newcastle) . like i said , ive never been to a branch meeting , i have donated and so far Ive abstained from the nomination processes as ive not had the time to get to know the candidates and thier beliefs ect .

It doesnt take much to become a member you know , a few words on a form on the internet and your bank details and u got your card in a couple of days.

ive never felt inclined to join any political party until relativelty recently. and perhaps I should talk to some people at a branch meeting about this more.

But as for that arrangment itself , its sounds fine to me . im all for keeping the queen if she has a mandate in scotland.

The way it was presented was like salmond was sucking up . i do remember reading in the independant that he would keep the queen with no mention of a referendum and it seemed to be the same in this GMTV interview , i couldnt find it anywhere on youtube so i guess i probably jumped the gun and i am willing to stand corrected .

It was more the worry of the manifesto stance being repealed on the queen issue . cos i wouldnt stand for this under any cirumstances.

but like i said , if scotland wants the london quennie then i got no problems with that .

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