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Published Date: 08 February 2009
SCOTTISH Labour was facing a fresh internal split last night after the party's MPs called for its MSPs to be stripped of some of their powers.
The Westminster group – which includes Prime Minister Gordon Brown – told a private party meeting on Friday that Holyrood should no longer have decision-making powers over crucial policy areas such as energy and national security.

The move has sp
arked a backlash among party MSPs, who not only want to keep the powers but also expected more powers to be devolved. MSPs accuse the MPs of "bad politics" in demanding powers be returned to Westminster.

The private clash comes with the party attempting to put together a submission to the Calman Commission, the body which is currently reviewing Scottish Parliament's powers.

Party chiefs met privately in Glasgow on Friday to discuss the submission where the MPs, led by Renfrewshire MP Jim Sheridan, laid down the view of the Westminster group.

Chief among their concerns are planning powers, currently held by the Scottish Government, which give Scottish ministers control over the construction of new energy projects. The SNP Government has declared it will use the powers, enshrined in the Electricity Act, to ensure no new nuclear power stations can be built north of the border.

But Labour MPs are warning of the threat to Scotland's future energy security. It comes amid growing warnings that the SNP's reliance on renewables will leave Scotland with an energy gap, once two nuclear stations, at Torness and Hunterston, are decommissioned.

The MPs told the private meeting last week that Westminster should be given complete control over such big planning decisions on the grounds of national security.

Labour MP John Robertson, the secretary of the Westminster group, said: "We need to look at security and energy. Energy is a reserved matter but there are planning issues which can be used to frustrate the energy policies."

He added: "When it comes to national security, we believe one body should be in charge of it on a national basis as a UK government."

Several other senior members of the Labour MP group, including Brian Donohoe and Adam Ingram, have also called for the powers to be returned.

But their plans are being opposed by Labour's band of MSPs. Their osition is for Holyrood to keep hold of the powers.

One Labour MSP said last night: "Quite apart from anything else, it's bad politics. They're in the position of saying they want a change because they don't like the decision (of the SNP Government] and the consequences of that. You'd end up with some bureaucrat making the decision about whether to put a nuclear power station in Scotland."

Another senior Labour MSP added: "There is a divergence of view, that's fair to say."

The party's national executive committee – its key decision-making body – is set to meet again this week in an attempt to draw together a consensus position, which will then be made public and delivered to the Calman Commission. A senior Labour source said that the row was simply part of internal party "debate" and that an agreed position would soon be forthcoming.

But a source close to First Minister Alex Salmond said: "The fact that civil war has broken out in Labour ranks comes as absolutely no surprise. And the fact that Scottish Labour MPs seem to want to strip Holyrood of powers and return them to Westminster says everything about their attitude to the Scottish Parliament. Any such proposal would be completely unacceptable and would be opposed by the overwhelming majority of Scots."

The row comes as UK ministers are preparing the ground for a new generation of nuclear power stations. Four potential sites have been named, three in England and one in Wales.

Scotland's two existing reactors are due to close within the next few years. Hunterston in North Ayrshire is currently due to shut down in 2016, while Torness in East Lothian is scheduled to close in 2023.

SNP ministers have argued that Scotland does not need nuclear power because of its vast potential supply of renewable energy. But critics say that there is a danger that Scotland would become a new importer of electricity without nuclear.

One of the members of the Calman Commission, Iain McMillan, has said previously that handing powers over nuclear energy back to Westminster should be considered.

McMillan, the director of the Confederation of British Industry in Scotland said: "In my view this is a serious matter and needs to be looked at."





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  • Last Updated: 07 February 2009 6:38 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
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1

webwise,

Scotland 07/02/2009 22:28:05
Labour have ceased to be the all controlling power in Scotland, however London appears to think that it can remedy the situation by grabbing power back.

Which Labour MSP will be the first to cross the floor?

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Newton_Invented_Gravity,

08/02/2009 00:05:49
If nuclear power is such a great thing for Scotland then the political parties who support it should make the case for it at Holyrood, and if they put forward a persuasive enough argument then they'll get it that way.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 08/02/2009 00:11:29
2 Labour MP's wish to remove powers from the Scottish Parliament, not the SNP.

An interesting question posed by 1 - who will be first to cross the floor. I don't think we will see that happening ( I think the SNP would be unwise to accept anyone intending to do that), but I do think we could see a breakaway faction forming in Labour.

The other Labour grouping that the article hasn't mentioned are Councillors. Keep your eye on Stephen Purcell, as leader of Scotland's biggest City he is a player. And he has been making some very strange moves recently.
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Westfield Bairns,

Falkirk 08/02/2009 00:11:33
Even the Labour MSPs can't stand their Westminster counterparts and are already facing meltdown in Scotland. However Labour can attempt to take back powers, more votes for the SNP
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Dr. James Wilkie,

Vienna 08/02/2009 00:19:11
The Labour Party did not want the Scottish Parliament and Government, but was eventually forced to set them up by international diplomatic pressure under the threat of sanctions. The present range of powers for the Scottish Parliament was also drawn up under international supervision. The Scottish administration already has far fewer powers than comparable governments in other countries. If any attempt is made to whittle down what has been established to date, then the matter will assuredly be reopened at international level by action to ensure that this meddling is stopped once and for all.

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Gussie Fink-Nottle,

08/02/2009 00:20:21
Like hungry rats in a sack.
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Jimbo2,

08/02/2009 00:23:11
No doubt the Scottish branch of the British Labour Party, after making a few mollifying noises for the benefit of the Scottish public, will toe the line and obey their London masters. Same as they always do.
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ochone,

Sauchie, Clacks 08/02/2009 00:39:39
As these MP's didn't make these noises be fore the SNP came to power, this really shows how confident they are off Labour winning the next Scottish elections!

That's unionist style democracy!
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08/02/2009 00:45:39
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08/02/2009 00:47:01
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08/02/2009 00:51:32
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Tris,

08/02/2009 00:53:19
#10. Jwil.

You make a good point. If the MSPs go down the road of voting with this, then it must be assumed that they never expect to be in government again in Scotland.

London Labour should understand that, rather like in Iraq, the hand that hurts is the best recruiting sergeant for those who wish for change. Every time the clunking iron fist hits us another blow, SNP membership goes up a little more.

One interesting consideration though, I thought that we, as Scottish tax payers, had forked out a VAST amount of money for a commission to look into this. So why are we having decisions made before the commission has reported?
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Newton_Invented_Gravity,

08/02/2009 00:54:05
#11 39% for and %40 against I believe. (a %6 percent swing towards independence support since the last poll)
It's interesting, since we were told by all the experts that the loss of the BoS would result in a collapse in support for independence, yet the opposite has occurred.
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DouglasT,

kirkintilloch 08/02/2009 01:02:44
Each and every one of us is able to respond to these MPs through the ballot box - starting with the upcoming European election. I've just read about Jacqui Smith's housing fiddle while Michael Martin's disgusting exploits are still fresh in the memory so I suggest that whatever you think of any of the Scottish parties, they are mere apprentices in robbing the taxpayer when compared to Westminster. Personally, when I cast my vote I will reject the London-led parties and choose from what's left.
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08/02/2009 01:04:15
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Harry Shanks,

Rutherglen 08/02/2009 01:14:24
#2

Your comment is nothing short of offensive and disgraceful:

"Mongs" is derived from "Mongols" which is a perjorative term for disabled people suffering from Down's Syndrome.

No doubt you also find it acceptable to refer to "golliwogs" and "pakkis" as do Thatcher and members of the the royal family respectively

I have reported your post as grossly offensive, as are you.
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Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

08/02/2009 01:30:21
These halfwits reckon Scots will accept less powers. What planet? And does anyone know who these people are anyway? The arrogance is unfathonable. Ah well, let's watch them squirm into extinction.
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08/02/2009 01:35:32
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FerryPort,

08/02/2009 01:39:54
freeby2093
please refrain from the use of term "mong"
thankyou
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08/02/2009 01:43:54
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Brian Hill,

08/02/2009 01:46:52
Holyrood Labour MSPs would rebel in numbers if this were to become a serious proposal. They face a hard enough problem to survive as it is.

Crossing the floor at all levels is something that will begin to happen as we near the General Election of 2010 and the SNP is seen to be riding high ahead of the Independence Referendum.

There are many in the Labour camp wondering right now not whether they should cross the floor but when they should cross the floor.
23

Edward,

08/02/2009 02:03:41
Jim Sheridan and John Robertson enjoyed a junket to Sweden to visit nuclear power and nuclear waste research and storage facilities with the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Nuclear Energy, the cost of the trip was met by EON .Jimmy Hood, another Scottish Labour MP is on the same All-Party Parliamentary Group on Nuclear Energy. No wonder there mad keen for Holyrood to loose powers over the construction of Nuclear power stations in Scotland. Worth noting also that Gordon Brown' also has an
Interest as his brother Andrew is a director with EDF Energy
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08/02/2009 02:34:17
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Castaway™ ,

08/02/2009 03:30:43
What have Scottish MPs done since devolution? A lot less work;
Scottish MPs take part in less than half the votes in Westminster, falling far below the levels even for their Welsh counterparts, while their workload in scrutinising government has plummeted since the Scottish parliament was set up.

The definitive study of devolution throughout the UK has found that Scottish MPs' participation rate in House of Commons votes, which hovered above the 50% mark in 1999-2000, fell to 48% in 2001, the year of the last Westminster election. That compares with a Welsh voting record at 63%, which was slightly above even that of English MPs.

The think-tank research, based on House of Commons statistics, also found the number of oral and written questions asked by Scottish MPs has more than halved since the creation of the Scottish parliament. Time for monthly Scottish questions at Westminster has been halved to 30 minutes, and rarely extends beyond the second or third query on the order paper.
The Sunday Herald, Jan 26, 2003
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08/02/2009 03:36:03
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 08/02/2009 05:53:26
2 - London knows best.
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The Tin Man,

08/02/2009 06:47:02
Brave words from Labour. However, as Hollyrood has just about stopped bringing in new legislation, and currently relies mostly on executive powers, we might as well save 300 million and go back to the Scottish Office and Westminster.
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The Tin Man,

08/02/2009 06:51:52
Scottish, Welsh & N Irish MPs getting to vote on English, matters, whilst English MP's can't vote on Scottish, Welsh, and N Irish matters = 'unionist dividend'?
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malcolmcean,

08/02/2009 08:15:07
post 33:

Yes, because that is what happens in India, Canada, Ireland, the USA, Australia, South Africa, New Zealand, etc.

There is not a day goes by where some empire loyalist calls for a vote on re-admittance to the empire.

Go back to sleep.
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Edward Cullen Skink,

08/02/2009 08:16:04
A SENIOR Labour MSP is facing a Holyrood investigation into his lucrative work as a lobbyist in the House of Lords. George Foulkes, who doubles up as a peer and MSP, is being paid £36,000 a year to provide advice to a law firm.

However, a Scottish academic believes the politician has breached the MSPs' code of conduct and has complained to Holyrood's standards watchdog about the financial arrangement.

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Jimmy Le Pie,

08/02/2009 08:31:55
It just keeps getting better!

Comrade Broon and his cabal ridiculed by all and sundry.

New Labour Sleaze Lords abusing the system.

New Labour Sleaze MPs abusing the system.

New Labour Sleaze MSP'S abusing the system

New Labour Sleaze local councillors abusing the system.

New Labour Sleaze local activists abusing the system.

Keep up the good work comrades, independence is coming to a nation near you!!!
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Edward Cullen Skink,

08/02/2009 08:36:55
36. And today we learn that Jacquie Smith, Home Secretary, has claimed £116,000 for her "second home" in London - but all the while was staying at her sisters house....

Another day, another new Labour sleaze exposed
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Edward Cullen Skink,

08/02/2009 08:38:16
Lord Foulkes, is paid £3000 a month by Eversheds LLP for "political and parliamentary consultancy". The MSPs' code of conduct states that members "should not accept any paid work which would involve them lobbying on behalf of any person or organisation or any clients of a person or organisation."

Eversheds LLP describes itself as "one of a select group of law firms with specialist expertise in nuclear and energy law" and boasts "an in-depth understanding of the nuclear industry, the agenda of the major players, and the regulatory and competition framework."

Its clients include British Nuclear Fuels Limited and the company holding the licence for the Sellafield site.

Since November 2007, Foulkes has tabled four written questions at Holyrood on nuclear energy, two on the government's policy on nuclear power stations.

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Jimmy Le Pie,

08/02/2009 08:40:00
Looks like it's really going pear shaped for the Comrades!

From the Sunday Telegraph;

The government's flagship policy to revolutionise welfare by paying private companies to find jobs for the unemployed was in crisis last night as firms said there were too many people out of work - and too few vacancies - to make it viable.

News that Labour's radical plan is in turmoil and facing possible legal challenges comes as unemployment is about to pass the two million mark for the first time in more than a decade. Analysts believe it will hit three million before the end of this year.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

08/02/2009 08:40:45
#39

That should have been from the Observer - sorry!
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Tweedmouth,

Coldstream 08/02/2009 09:06:21
#1 "Labour have ceased to be the all controlling power in Scotland."

Er, last time I looked Labour were the controlling power in the United Kingdom; Scotland is a devolved part of the United Kingdom. Farcically, it is the Scottish Labour Party which has been running (and ruining) the entire UK since 1997. We have had two Scottish prime ministers in that time: one a lying war criminal responsible for more than a million civilian deaths in an illegal war in Iraq; the second - responsible for the destruction of the 4th greatest economy in the world; finally we have a Scottish Chancellor - Darling - who is about to start the printing presses that will spew forth rivers of paper pounds - effectively devaluing the real pound for the second time in one year. Scottish politicians have bankrupted 60 million people - and you aint seen nothing yet.
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karin.m,

08/02/2009 09:08:57
i have just heard that labour plan to get rid of chocolate!

this is diabolical women everywhere will revolt........
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Edward Cullen Skink,

08/02/2009 09:09:26
41. "Scottish politicians have bankrupted 60 million people - and you aint seen nothing yet."

So, you are saying that the 650 Westminster MPs, a majority of whom passed the UK budgets and installed the UK government, are Scottish, or all elected in Scotland?

"Scottish politicians have bankrupted 60 million people "

So you are saying the UK is bankrupt?
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 08/02/2009 09:09:56
Remember the names of these people, fellow Scots:

Gordon Brown
Jim Sheridan
John Robertson
Brian Donohoe
Adam Ingram
Ian McMillan

Quislings the lot of them !
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 08/02/2009 09:11:37
From the Sunday Herald 08/02/09

“A multinational drinks company opposed to the government's crackdown on alcohol abuse employs a lobbying firm that has hired one of Scotland's most notorious drunken criminals.

Diageo, the world's largest spirits company, is paying Caledonia Consulting as part of its fight against the SNP's policies on irresponsible drinking. One of the firm's "associate directors" is Lord Watson of Invergowrie, the former Labour MSP who was jailed after drunkenly setting fire to a pair of curtains at a political awards ceremony.

The event's sponsor that night was Diageo.

A health group has now criticised Diageo for employing a lobbyist that has a drunken criminal on its payroll.”
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Edward Cullen Skink,

08/02/2009 09:26:55
45. Good grief. That means that both of Scottish Labour's drunken violent crime convicted Lords-a-leaping, Foulkes and Watson, are now being paid as lobbyists for ethically dubious purposes.
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brownlie,

08/02/2009 09:31:26
44 Connaughtboy

I wonder if their constituents are in favour of the views put forward on their behalf?
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 08/02/2009 09:49:32
47 brownlie

Let's first make sure that the constituents are aware of the views of their representatives.
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TWC,

08/02/2009 09:51:32
This was always going to happen and perhaps now the Labour MSPs will stand up to Westminster. For too long it has been apparent that Westminster Labour are being exposed as not representing the Scots.
Last week's Scottish Questions was a real crossroads for me and made me really start to think how I would vote next time.
Would anybody put Brian Donohoe in charge of anything??? HANDS OFF
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Edward,

08/02/2009 09:55:31
'Chief among their concerns are planning powers, currently held by the Scottish Government, which give Scottish ministers control over the construction of new energy projects. The SNP Government has declared it will use the powers, enshrined in the Electricity Act, to ensure no new nuclear power stations can be built north of the border.
With these Scottish MP's being funded by E.On, its hardly surprising. Do these MP's work for you?NO, they work (hard) for E.On!
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Edward,

08/02/2009 09:57:53
If anyone wants to see for themselves what Scottih MP's interest are,then look at
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmregmem/memi02.htm
Its facinating!
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Edward,

08/02/2009 09:59:18
and one for the Lords
http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.com/pa/ld/ldreg/reg01.htm
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albanman,

08/02/2009 10:02:10
The Labour Party will shoot themselves in the proverbial foot with this move...it will likely result in an increased vote for the SNP.

Nos.24 + 48: your comments are crass, and demonstrate a lack of thinking.
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Ananurhing,

08/02/2009 10:04:33
This is a new one! The Calman Cringe!
Scottish labour's westminster falange know they're increasingly sidelined and irrelevant. Look at Scottish Questions this week. What was that all about and what are they for?

Scottish labour MPs are now just a narrow self interest group desperately trying to maintain their existence.

I hope we see a new Scottish labour party coming out of this. One that resembles a proper labour movement.
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pehman,

sussex 08/02/2009 10:09:23

22 Brian Hill,08/02/2009 01:46:52
Holyrood Labour MSPs would rebel in numbers if this were to become a serious proposal. They face a hard enough problem to survive as it is.

Crossing the floor at all levels is something that will begin to happen as we near the General Election of 2010 and the SNP is seen to be riding high ahead of the Independence Referendum.

There are many in the Labour camp wondering right now not whether they should cross the floor but when they should cross the floor.

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Brian, I don't believe slab msp's will cross the floor. At least not to the SNP, wheather the SNP would want them is another matter. However for those who see the writing on the wall, and also those facing re-selection meetings, there may well be a move to become independents join the lap dogs or even try to reform Scottish Labour.

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Liberal for life,

Dunblane 08/02/2009 10:13:13
The importance of the Calman Commission should not be dismissed lightly. The very fatc the LibDems have secured a commitment from the SNP to engage with Calman is one of the most significant factors in the 2009 budget settlement. Annual budgets can be adjusted year on year but the Commissions work could lead to fundamental and a lasting overhaul of certain devolved matters throughout the UK that all Scots, especially those with overtly nationalistic tendancies, need to be represented.

Well done Tavish and Co, a vison for the future is what we need now more than ever rather than just the short term fix and patch up job the SNP budget was addressing before your intervention.
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radge dug,

08/02/2009 10:15:03
Labour have a hard time coming to terms with democracy.

Just because they lost power her doesn't mean they should still rule from London where it isn't required.

It's time to make a complete break from London to stop them meddling in our affairs.
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TWC,

08/02/2009 10:30:43
#56 57 59
Agree with you all, Labour need to break free in Scotland and try to win back some of the old Labour support who are fast going over to the Nats.
#58 Calman is a waste of space because it is still Westminster controlled. If the Libdems can get real Fiscal Autonomy they could save the Union and the the LIB dem & Labour Party in Scotland because everything would change.
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Nevsky;,

Moscow 08/02/2009 10:34:24
58 Liberal#

Unless you had not noticed Brown is directing the Calman Commission and has already stsed that he does not support fiscal autonomy or practically anything else being devolved.

If you think that Tavish has gained a concession by performing a u-turn and etting Alex to write a letter then fine.

Most people see it for what it is..a Lib Pary in total decline in Scotland and one that will be hard pressed to maintain it's level of MSPs at the next election.

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Gtj,

08/02/2009 10:36:28
Latest poll shows Liebor falling to 28% and Tories on 40%.

Bye Bye Liebor.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 08/02/2009 10:43:06
#57 pehman

A number of people have attempted to reform “Scottish Labour” in the past.

Jim Sillars, Alex Neil and Tommy Sheridan immediately spring to mind.

All of them were singularly and collectively unsuccessful in their attempts at reform, and now the Scottish Branch of the London Labour Party is just as reactionary, corrupt and sleaze ridden as it ever was.

Hardly a day goes past without one of the number, whether it is activists, Councillors, MPs, MSPs, or Lords being involved in some form of graft, corruption or snout troughing.

They are as a body, institutionally corrupt, and as such are beyond mere reformation.

They require to be destroyed, indeed annihilated by the electorate, and only then might they re-discover the principles of their founding fathers.

An Independent Scottish Labour Party may have a role to play in an Independent Scotland.

However, it is difficult to see which, if any of the current Nu-Labourite cringers would be capable of making any meaningful contribution.

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NayLabour2,

08/02/2009 10:46:07
2. Free by 2093,08/02/2009 00:01:48
Less power for the SNP is a good thing. The mongs never make any good decisions for Britain as a whole.
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Really? We are not interested in 'Britain as a whole' and the UK government is only interested in Scotland as it suits them - for thier benefit!
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Luigiana,

Aberdeen 08/02/2009 10:51:06
The civil war begins?

It's about time the Labour MSPs found some courage, pout Scotland first and stood up to their MP colleagues?

Are they not really embarrassed at the bad decisions and continuous humiliation they endure, mostly due to interference by Broon and his westminster numpties?
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Luigiana,

Aberdeen 08/02/2009 10:53:07
The longer Brown manages to hang on, the heavier will be Labour's defeat. Surely the party knows this?

Heads in the sand?
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 08/02/2009 11:03:08
#39 Got a link for that Telegraph story?
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pehman,

sussex 08/02/2009 11:41:17
63 Bull wee,

I totally agree with you on the re constituion of Scot Lab. My point however is that facing de-selction some slab mwp's msp's may opt to try again.
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pehman,

sussex 08/02/2009 11:43:50

I've just seen this in the Sunday Times,

From The Sunday TimesFebruary 8, 2009

Nardini: London hijacks our BBC
The Largs-born actress says the corporation has switched her on to independence
Daniela Nardini is backing Scottish independence
Stuart Macdonald
Daniela Nardini has said she is in favour of Scottish independence, after witnessing BBC Scotland’s lack of control over its own affairs.

The Largs-born actress, 40, says she has been astonished by the level of interference by bureaucrats in London. She claimed BBC Scotland had far greater autonomy in the 1990s, when she played Anna Forbes, a lawyer in the BBC2 drama series This Life.

Nardini, who moved back to Scotland in 2007 after 10 years in England, said: “Everything has to go through the head office in London,” she said. “Why call it BBC Scotland? I don’t know how it’s changed over the past 10 years, but I’m sure they used to have more clout. We could do our own stuff without it all having to be agreed upon.”

How long will Riddoch,Brewer & co take to come to the same opinion
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jkr,

Lochwinnoch Greater Glasgow 08/02/2009 11:53:23
Labour wants to take power away from Holyrood and David Cameron and the Tories appear to want to give more powers to Holyrood. The sooner the Tories get into
power at Westminster the better it will be for Scotland.
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pehman,

sussex 08/02/2009 11:58:29

Bully wee, Eh yir spot on wi the Dundee bit, Oh the land o cakes.

Sorry but I seem to be denied access (after previous posts) on the Cameron thread.
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Daveunderwater,

08/02/2009 12:02:00
#68

They have already been deselected by the electorate, just look at any recent poll

I wonder what ghastly experiments the Conservatives will thrust upon guinea pig Scotland this time round?
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Jimmy Le Pie,

08/02/2009 12:10:25
I see the Hootsmon is deep in the smelly stuff,

From the Sunday Times;

Ben Marlow and James Ashton

JOHNSTON PRESS could sell some of its flagship newspaper titles after it appointed debt restructuring experts at KPMG to help it tackle its £465m of borrowings.


Things looking bleak Hamish, Maddox???
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FTH22inarow,

08/02/2009 12:20:47
70 no tory government has ever been any good for scotland, be careful what you wish for.
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nabodican,

Rural Scotland 08/02/2009 12:27:34
As long as we are connected to the UK national grid then it is only commonsense that energy is a UK issue.
If wee Eck is so sure of his energy "plans" and that we do not need nuclear then he should disconnect the power link from England.
Now where are my candles ?
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Jacqueline Hyde ,

On the shelf 08/02/2009 12:31:25
#74
I agree - debt restructuring is usually the fore-play for administration.
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 08/02/2009 12:54:02
#75, FTH.

I would tend to agree with you, but I would have to say, generall, the same has been true of Labour Governments, at all levels.

Most SNP supporters do not care which Unionist Party is in power as the result will be the same; Scotland, generally, disregarded in an asymetrical union.

SNP supporters are no longer voting out of grievance, but the conviction that Scotland can achieve a society that more accurately refects the aspirations of its people.

This is a sea-change similar to the late 50s when they rejected the Tories, as the majority voice of Scotland.

What is needed, now, is a Westminster Election to give the people of Scotland to air their views on that place's stewardship of our country.

To the SNP what matters is not the majority, Lab, Tory or LD, in Westminster, but the majority in Scotland, SNP or Unionists.
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Rodster,

Glasgow 08/02/2009 12:58:01
On the day that the latest opinion poll shows a rise in desire for Independence (re TNS poll in Herald)
it shows how stupid, arrogant and removed from reality our Labour Westminster elite are from the people they are supposed to represent.
Time for these trough dwellers to wake up and smell the coffee.
As was said in May 2007 it is a new world in Scotland learn or disappear
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 08/02/2009 13:00:52
#76, nabodican.

That is one of your more bizarre posts.

1. Holyrood has no power to do as you suggest.

2. What evidence do you have that the SNP seeks isolation from England, or any other country.

I would make you look less foolish if you would make your arguments, based on premises, that could not be readily refuted by a 5yo.
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 08/02/2009 13:40:51
#71, Pehman.

I have been having the same problem for the last 3 days. I have made my problem known, but it would appear to be to no avail.

The question is, is it a deliberate policy of JP, is it a bug introduced into the system by enemies of free speech, or is it simply poor programming?

I ask these question because this is the only site which I use that has this problem.
77

frank mcbride,

lusitania 08/02/2009 13:44:04
#71, Pehman.

It would seem that if you re-register, although you get the message that you are alredy registered, you can sort the problem.

My #82 seems to confirm this for me.
78

John S,

08/02/2009 14:13:23
House of Commons:-Both from the same Scottish MP.
13 December 2005....is so annoyed that his/her party colleagues at Holyrood could reject planning applications for new nuclear power stations that she wants the Scotland Act re-opened so that the relevant powers can be taken away from the Scottish Parliament.
16 Oct 2008 ....but will he have the guts to tell the Scottish Executive that they cannot rule out nuclear power when it comes to security of supply ?
79

GMCD,

08/02/2009 14:25:57
"The Westminster group – which includes Prime Minister Gordon Brown – told a private party meeting on Friday that Holyrood should no longer have decision-making powers over crucial policy areas such as energy and national security"

Funny, I don't see any SNPites complaining that this imagined account of a "private" meeting is evidence of systemic bias against Labour in the Scotsman group of newspapers....

AND no matter how you keep spinning it the most recent poll shows suppprt for independence is static despite (or because) of the SNP government!
80

TWC,

08/02/2009 14:51:11
Wendy needs to take the Labour lead at Holyrood she was the only one who really tried to change things but she needed to go further and maybe even team up with the Nats and take Westminster on together for control of the revenues.
81

bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 08/02/2009 14:57:35

Alba Gu Bragh!!
82

Daveunderwater,

08/02/2009 15:51:04
As the Labour Party Split in half

And Scotland finds support for independence is on a Knife Edge

SNP gain support for independence, Scottish Labour are halvered,

Ye couldnae mak it up!!

I'm awa tae hae a hauf n a wee hauf LOL

I might even have a wee Whyte & McKay seems exports of the craitur are on the up in India, no problems there since gaining their Independence from the British Raj

Their cricket seems to be really good

Maybe our football might get better, naw that would be askin too much

What the Haig I'm awa oot for a hauf n hauf

Fifty Fifty The SNP are STILL NIFTY!!

Whaus like us? Nae mony an their aw REED
83

Daveunderwater,

08/02/2009 15:51:44
Wendy who?
84

Daveunderwater,

08/02/2009 15:53:34
knock Knock

Who's there?

Wendy

Wendy who

Wendy last Labour MSP leaves Holyrood what will the Scotsman do?
85

Jimmy Le Pie,

08/02/2009 15:59:36
#67 Rev

Sorry about the delay replying to you. I've been out building a one eyed snowman!

The story is in the Observer.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2009/feb/08/labour-welfare-jobs-plan
86

Daveunderwater,

08/02/2009 16:01:05
Irish and UK regional newspaper publisher Johnston Press could sell some of its titles in a bid to tackle its £465 million debt burden, it was reported.
The group has appointed KPMG to lead negotiations with its banks, according to British newspapers The Sunday Times and Independent on Sunday.
The Edinburgh-based group has already hired Dublin-based Raglan Capital to handle potential bids for some of its Irish newspaper titles, which include the Dundalk Democrat and the Limerick Leader.
87

Daveunderwater,

08/02/2009 16:03:14
#92

Correction visually impaired Scottish snowman
88

Daveunderwater,

08/02/2009 16:04:16
#92

Must be snow blind

As opposed to SNP blind
89

Daveunderwater,

08/02/2009 16:06:55
Plenty of oil up here in Aberdeen,

Unfortunately no salt for the roads though

I propose using wave power to pump sea water through a series of pipes on to our roads to clear any snow falls.
90

Jimmy Le Pie,

08/02/2009 16:07:23
I see from the Independent that New Labour Sleaze are getting on to a war footing!!!!

Voters might think their members of Parliament already twitter, but now Labour MPs have been sent out to use the social networking site Twitter. The party has launched plans to flood the internet with messages from its MPs as Labour is thought to trail badly the Conservatives in using the boom in social networking on the web. It plans to use quick-fire messages on the hit website Twitter and its MPs will be able to link their personal websites to Twitter and the social networking site Facebook to send the party faithful instant alerts when they opine in cyberspace.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-tells-its-mps-to-get-busy-webspinning-1570704.html


Looks like fun!!!
91

Daveunderwater,

08/02/2009 16:10:29
KPMG CALLED IN AT JOHNSTON

Johnston Press (JPR.L) could seek to sell some of its newspaper titles, having enlisted KPMG to help it deal with its 465 million pound debt burden. The group has already appointed corporate financier Raglan Capital to field offers for its Irish titles. Chief executive John Fry will consider a range of options to boost the company's balance sheet and will postpone talks with lenders until after Johnston's full-year figures are announced in March. It is understood KPMG aims to refinance Johnston's debt facilities, which expire in September 2010, while also looking for more ways of cutting costs.

Does Scottish Power advertise in the Scotsman?
92

The Strategist,

08/02/2009 16:10:46
#70

I agree. The sooner the Tories are elected the better it will be Scotland. Scots will flock to vote for independence if the Tories get in.
93

Daveunderwater,

08/02/2009 16:12:35
#97

A bunch of Twits Twittering, nothing groundbreaking there
94

Daveunderwater,

How Now Brown Cash Cow 08/02/2009 16:16:30
Bumper Broon Bailouts Blunder Breaks Britain
95

Daveunderwater,

08/02/2009 16:17:33
Brown commented, "I'm Breaking Britain"
96

Alan B,

08/02/2009 16:24:09
With labour there is no moral or ideological basis it is just about power. The labour mps want more power and do not like being upsurged by their msps who have a much higher profile.

Morally what is the point in labour asking the scottish people to vote in a referendum for a defined set of powers to be devolved and then then want to remove these powers from the scottish parliament as soon as it loses power in the scottish parliament.
97

Western Gael,

08/02/2009 16:39:45
If Labour writ large has a problem with Labour MSPs, it’s an internal squabble and I for one relish the prospect of watching things develop. If their intent is somehow to reduce the powers devolved by the Scotland Act, then it might be useful for clever Scots to demand a full review of the Act of Union.
98

Jimmy Le Pie,

08/02/2009 16:42:06
#103 Alan B

New Labour Sleaze and Corruption have no morals.

Greed yes, morals none!
99

frank mcbride,

lusitania 08/02/2009 16:47:36
TEST POST
100

frank mcbride,

lusitania 08/02/2009 17:07:04
Frozen again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
101

jkr,

Lochwinnoch Greater Glasgow 08/02/2009 17:07:23
#99. Wasn't it the Tories who were the first to help the SNP with the budget recently?
102

Boab1,

08/02/2009 17:14:27
It basically shows the disregard Labour have for our Government. So if they don't like the decision they'll take powers back. There's plenty of places in England to build a new nuclear power station if they're so important. This would have the dual role of not taking powers away from Scotland and preventing the Labour MPs vote in Scotland being decimated come the next election. It stinks of 'I'm not playing, give me my ball back.'

The fact that this goes completely against the grain of public opinion and the views of the Scottish parliament shows the extent of the arrogance.
103

nabodican,

Rural Scotland 08/02/2009 17:17:41
#80 frank mcbride - nothing bizarre about my post at all - a bit tongue in cheek perhaps.
Wee Eck has been trying to drive a wedge between Scotland and England at every opportunity and is continually calling for independance.
You seem to miss the point entirely about energy which is a reserved matter but wee Eck wants to stop nuclear via planning. I am simply asking him to put his money where his fat mouth is.
104

Roy,

08/02/2009 17:20:34
Sounds to me like Gibraltar Jim is already savouring his retirement following the next Westminster election.
105

Daveunderwater,

08/02/2009 17:54:27
#110

You miss the point Alex can't put the money where his large mouth is until we achieve full fiscal autonomy.

The money isn't his, it's Westminsters crumbs we continue to be fed. And when it all goes wrong and they use all the money to bail out the fincial sector in the South East of England, what then?

Maunday money from the Queen perhaps?


106

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 08/02/2009 17:55:34
I fear that nabodican@76 has not got her facts right. At the moment the power link is to England - not from it.

Scotland is in energy surplus per annum.

However, should Scotland not be commited to a new generation of nuclear power stations then Westminster might have to oversee England pay the going rate to import more electricity from France or build even more nuclear power stations in England.

There would also be the small matter of their nuclear waste being dumped in a non nuclear country.

Scottish Labour politicians at Westminster and Scottish Labour politicians at Holyrood are understanably at odds over this but it would take a complete article to explain that.

In the meantime, enjoy your discomfort. The 2 sides will have a hard time coming to any amicable resolution unless they are out of office before anything can be done.
107

Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 08/02/2009 18:01:58
#92 Cheers. No wonder I was having no luck searching the Telegraph site...

:D
108

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 08/02/2009 18:03:48
re 113. The 2 sides referred to are Labour in Holyrood and Labour in Westminster. It is they who should enjoy their discomfort.
109

Daveunderwater,

08/02/2009 18:04:50
Any news from the "Scottish Office" has Gordon Brown set up a meeting with Alex Salmond?

Thought not...

Bailoot Broon will be busy with Darling calculating how much they can borrow against our North Sea Oil reserves, so he can throw more money at the failing financial sector.

What happens when Bank of England rates reach 0%

Wheelbarrows all round...
110

British flag,

08/02/2009 18:08:50
EXCELLENT! we are ONE nation as of such, we should all be treated the same!
111

Daveunderwater,

08/02/2009 18:08:53
he drive to "privatise" the welfare system is one of the most radical and controversial policies of Labour's entire third-term agenda. Richard Johnson, managing director of welfare-to-work policy at Serco, a provider of "outsourced public services" bidding for eight contracts from the DWP, said it was vital the government rescued the policy - but it would have to be more flexible.

Keir Hardy must be rolling in his grave...

STandby for a cash for pensions row sleaze debaucle, somebody will get caught with their fingers in the pension pie.
112

British flag,

08/02/2009 18:11:26
116. North sea oil belongs to the whole of Britain! get of your "little scotland" high horse.
113

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 08/02/2009 18:14:37
Indeed, British flag, indeed. That is because our central bank is the Bank of Britain and we all speak British.
114

Rufus-T-Firefly,

08/02/2009 18:16:28
I see £55,000 is spent on Buckfast every day in Scotland.

Welcome to Rab C. Nesbitt country.
115

Daveunderwater,

08/02/2009 18:25:34
#117

Make hay while the sun shines, support for Independence is on the increase and Britain is on a knife edge.

The Disunited Kingdom of England

I won't mind paying the £3.00 to Travelex to exchange my Scottish money then...

If we are ONE nation why isn't our money accepted in England.

Surely English and Scottish pounds are Great British Pounds?
116

Rufus-T-Firefly,

08/02/2009 18:42:47
#122 Dave.

Our money is accepted in England, so what are you on about?
117

Marga,

Edinburgh 08/02/2009 19:02:00
A bit off subject, but the Telegraph is interesting today:

http://tinyurl.com/b2t5gl

Lottery awards favour Labour areas

Including the following statements:

An analysis of the projects funded by the BLF will heighten concerns that the money is being used to subsidise public spending. Dozens of the largest recipients are local authorities and health trusts.

and

The BLF said its focus on the neediest communities meant that more grants were given to deprived areas, which tended to elect Labour MPs.
118

morris,

edinburgh 08/02/2009 19:18:17
123

Scottish Bank notes are frequently refused in England and thousands have first hand experience of this over many years.

What are YOU an about ?
In fact what are you on?
119

Breezy,

Argyll 08/02/2009 19:19:27
Testing
120

Rufus-T-Firefly,

08/02/2009 19:26:44
125 I work in England all the time and I have never once had a Scottish Note refused.

Not once.
121

Thrawn,

UK 08/02/2009 19:33:47
OK: on the second time round, the SNP budget was approved, yet not the first time, so what was the secret deal?

Is Labour afraid that if the budget had been rejected and it had come to a vote of no confidence in the minority government, there would have been a general election for Holyrood, and Labour would have been trounced?

Laboour's action will increase demands for a separate Scotland. Ijits! It's a lose-lose situation.

Anyhow, will a new independent Scotland, free of England but beholden to Brussels, and we know what Brussels thinks of small countries (ignore them!), expect that the rest of the UK should pick up the toxic asset of RBS and HBOS?

Never mind: Salmond will talk mendaciously about "an independent Scotland in Europe" and Brown will risk a general election in the UK during 2009 in the hope that Cameron will only win with a minority government, which he and the Glib Dems, who are totally beholden to Brussels, will undermine.

Goodbye, UK: there's a democratic world outwith these islands! As for the SNP, they'll accept "independence" at any price, even if it means becoming vassals of the EU. Sic a parcel of rogues in a nation!
122

karin.m,

08/02/2009 19:39:52
127 ha ha ha listen to rufus never had a scottish note refused. every man woman and child in scotland over the age of 25 who has ever visited england and proffered a scottish note has experienced this. Rufus you liar you do not work in england.
123

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 08/02/2009 19:40:03
Aye, Thrawn@128, it's a sair fecht.

Try a pint of razor blades at your local. Half price during Happy Hour.

Hurry now as Happy Hour will soon be banned.
124

Rufus-T-Firefly,

08/02/2009 19:50:00
129 Karin M

Your post is factually incorrect on so many levels.

As to how you can get a child over 25 years of age. . . . . . . Beats me.

That statement alone really sums up the quality of your input to this forum.
125

Alasdair mac Alasdair Mór Mac an Righ,,

08/02/2009 19:52:53
#127

127Rufus-T-Firefly, 08/02/2009 19:26:44
125 I work in England all the time and I have never once had a Scottish Note refused.

Not once.

===========================

Rufus, This comment is beyond even your usual divergence from the truth. Once again you make totally false statements.

This is a common problem and all know it. I sometimes wonder which reality you live in. The real one or the heavily medicated one.

In England and Wales they prefer English bank notes. Scottish notes can be accepted but at the discretion of the shop keeper.
126

Alasdair mac Alasdair Mór Mac an Righ,,

08/02/2009 19:57:22
131Rufus-T-Firefly, 08/02/2009 19:50:00
129 Karin M

Your post is factually incorrect on so many levels

-----------------------------------

Oh Rufus, why do you keep this one going. Since so many people take great enjoyment reading your absurd posts. I kindly offer the suggestion you ask the Question.

"Who else on this forum has either had a Scottish Bank note refused at sometime or

Is there any others here who have used Scottish money in England with no problems ever?"

You are a tube!
127

morris,

edinburgh 08/02/2009 20:04:36
129 I cannot think of a more stupid attempt at justification than it cannot be correct because I have never experienced it!
Rufus is an idiot of the first magnitude.
Even if that were true(which I can only see being correct because he changes his notes before going)it still is the most stupid argument possible. Why does he keep this going? Good question and as for him decrying the quality of argument from others it beggars belief!
He must be a liar He cant possibly be that stupid!
128

Quark99,

Chandler's Ford 08/02/2009 20:06:32
#127
Have to agree with Rufus - 24 years south of the border and never had a Scots note refused. Might be different though in the wilds of Yorkshire or some other far-flung outpost. I'll just stick to the poll result where a Scots accent is regarded as the most trustworthy. Hmmm, I can think of at least two examples where the contrary should apply...
129

Gussie Fink-Nottle,

08/02/2009 20:25:42
I enjoyed a Scottish bank note currency exchange when proffering a Scottish one pound note (which in fairness had been washed in my jeans)to a barman in deepest Gloucester who gave me change of a fiver.

Naturally, I confessed all and bought the feller a drink, in fact if memory serves me correctly I ended up taking his sister up the Gary. Gosh funny the tricks the mind can play when one advances in years...
130

Edward Cullen Skink,

08/02/2009 20:30:24
131. Wufs says "That statement alone really sums up the quality of your input to this forum. "

This from the man who posted yesterday that he went out and bought, because of the 2% VAT cut:

"1 Car
2 Plasma Screens
3 Laptops
A blueray player, and loads and loads of clothes" and then sneered that the umemployed couldn't

What a total phudd
131

Edward Cullen Skink,

08/02/2009 20:31:17
134. "Rufus is an idiot of the first magnitude."

Steady, Wufus isn't that smart
132

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 08/02/2009 20:34:22
Not that it has anything to do with the article but, like Groucho, I have never had a Scottish note refused in England.
That's because I take English notes with me and keep the Scottish ones for my return to my home.
133

Alan B,

08/02/2009 20:36:23
#Thrawn

So you do not like the EU. Others like myself do like it and much of what it stand for. Off course there will always be bits that you disagree with but the single market, common currency and freedom of movement of people to work anywhere within the eu is beneficial. Some enhanced foreign policy along with defence and security would be good. Common approaches to issues like the environment is also useful.

The problem for the uk union is the eu union has superceded any need for it.
134

Alan B,

08/02/2009 20:39:32
#Jock Tamson

Had scottish notes refused countless times in london. Alway try to take english notes when going south. Not worth the arguments now.
135

Rufus-T-Firefly,

08/02/2009 20:40:02
132 Alasdair mac Alasdair Mór Mac an Righ,,08/02/2009 19:52:53
#127

127Rufus-T-Firefly, 08/02/2009 19:26:44
125 I work in England all the time and I have never once had a Scottish Note refused.

Not once.

===========================

Rufus, This comment is beyond even your usual divergence from the truth. Once again you make totally false statements.
=====================================================

Another idiotic response from Alasdair Leam-leat.

My statement is totally true.

Once again, for the record, I make many trips to England each year as part of my job. I have never had Scottish notes refused ever. Not once.

How can you possibly refute that? You do not know the first thing about it. You are even more moronic than I thought.
136

Rufus-T-Firefly,

08/02/2009 20:44:53
Alasdair Leam-leat.,,08/02/2009
In England and Wales they prefer English bank notes. Scottish notes can be accepted but at the discretion of the shop keeper.
====================================================

DUH!

YOU DON'T SAY!

A bit like Scottish shopkeepers here when they get handed Northern Irish Bank Notes.

What will you be telling us next? It's cold at the North Pole? Mount Everest is high? Alex Salmond looks like Michele McManus' twin brother?
137

Rufus-T-Firefly,

08/02/2009 20:47:44
133 Alasdair Leam-leat.,,,,08/02/2009
You are a tube!
====================================================

Very profound.

Keep up the good quality of debate.
138

Rufus-T-Firefly,

08/02/2009 20:49:33
136 Gussie Fink-Nottle,08/02/2009 20:25:42

Are you sure it was his sister and not the barman?
139

Quark99,

Chandler's Ford 08/02/2009 20:52:55
#141
Ah, but in London the likelihood of being served by an ENGLISH person is probably somewhat remote. Consequently the recent arrival from the colonies standing behind the till is unlikely ever to have seen a Scottish note. This is the downside to restocking our peasants with those from outwith.
140

Rufus-T-Firefly,

08/02/2009 20:57:51
134 morris,edinburgh 08/02/2009 20:04:36
129 I cannot think of a more stupid attempt at justification than it cannot be correct because I have never experienced it!
======================================================

Did you read my comments?

Where did i say that this never happens because it never happened to me?

Typical Nutty Nat. Ignore what was said and make up what you think might have been said.

Morris is an idiot of the first magnitude.
141

yoric,

08/02/2009 21:11:05
'Reduction in Holyrood powers'
Labour MPs in England are under fire, everytime more responsibility is given to Holyrood, then people in England ask 'why do we need members representing Scottish Constituencys at Westminster?'
This of course includes the Prime Minister.
Scottish members at Westminster draw the same pay as English members but do little work because most issues affecting Scotland are handled at Holyrood.
Everytime more resposibility is given to Holyrood then more pressure is piled on Brown and his clan as having less and less work to do at Westminster.
When do we say lets send the Scottish members at Westminster home because their isn't enough work to justify their presence anymore?
Scotland then of course gets its own Parliament and so more or less does England.
142

lulach mac gille coemgain,

08/02/2009 21:17:40
I hear tell that the only thing you can do wi power is abuse io their people - heck I imagine they’d ven t!
Imagine ye gave a whole load o power to a bunch o idiots and let them into westminster . . . imagine what would happen . . .

They’d be off to war in far off lands, they’d be introducin id cards to keep tabs on awbody except the foreigners they’d let in to take everybodies joabs - they’d hiv monthly turn overs o chiefs o police and secretaries o state, they’d approve environmentally calamatous planning proposals, heck they’d even screw up the world economy and try an blame it on sumbdy else I bet

Nah ! Power has got to be harnessed by sensible types just as well we’ve goat sensible types eh?
143

Luigiana,

Aberdeen 08/02/2009 21:31:23
It is common knowledge that around the world, you will get more money exchanged for an english note than a scottish note - something to do with the queen's head! No matter - soon both will be absolutely worthless as sterling implodes. The only commodities that wont skyrocket in this country are house prices, since these are already over-inflated. Everything else will soon catch up as the financers desert sterling.
144

British flag,

08/02/2009 21:42:08
120. Have it your way! England rules,ok.
145

Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 08/02/2009 21:47:35
#121 "I see £55,000 is spent on Buckfast every day in Scotland. Welcome to Rab C. Nesbitt country."

Bless. The more you expose your cringing hatred of Scotland and its people, the easier you get to ignore.
146

Rufus-T-Firefly,

08/02/2009 23:18:01
155 20th Century boy,08/02/2009 23:11:36
Rufus T Firefly

I assume the T's for Tool.
================================================

HAHAHAHAHA

Hilarious.

You are a comic genius.

Jack Dee is looking for a new script writer, you should apply.
147

Rufus-T-Firefly,

08/02/2009 23:18:40
156 20th Century boy,08/02/2009 23:16:05
...or Ti*t

Tw*at possibly, who knows.
==========================================

Even Funnier.

Keep them coming.
148

Rufus-T-Firefly,

08/02/2009 23:25:04
Here is 20th Century Boy getting ready for a Burns Supper.

http://i42.tinypic.com/2wdvxqr.jpg
149

Rufus-T-Firefly,

08/02/2009 23:29:14
Hi Spook

How much time a week do you spend on yours?
150

Rufus-T-Firefly,

08/02/2009 23:40:39
#163

I do not have the time to do it justice.

Not at the moment anyway.

Most of my posts are made via my mobile phone.
151

Rufus-T-Firefly,

08/02/2009 23:41:56
Spook, have you been having problems with this website?

Half the time I go in and it brings up old stories from previous days.
152

Rufus-T-Firefly,

08/02/2009 23:43:06
You better lay of the Cannabis Spook, it gives you testicular cancer.
153

Brian Hill,

08/02/2009 23:59:03
#57 Pehman says:
Brian, I don't believe slab msp's will cross the floor. At least not to the SNP, whether the SNP would want them is another matter. However for those who see the writing on the wall, and also those facing re-selection meetings, there may well be a move to become independents join the lap dogs or even try to reform Scottish Labour.

Pehman, there has always been a nationalist element in the Labour Party and even more good Scots who are split between their love of Scotland and their love of the Labour Party...which is fair enough.

However the advent of Nu Labour has dented the beliefs of many, that coupled with an SNP Government and the growing prospect of Independence via the Referendum will be concentrating minds wonderfully.

2009 will see the first 'crossings' of councillors and possibly at least 1 MSP.....probably not long after the European Elections.
154

Brian Hill,

09/02/2009 00:05:42
#69 pehman says Daniela Nardini has swithced on to Independence.

Excellent. She is one independent minded feisty woman. Certainly better to be on your side than against. welcome aboard Daniela. Your comments are just what people need to hear.
155

For Scotlands Future,

Vote NO TO NUCLEAR POWER and TRIDENT 09/02/2009 12:58:31
What a surprise!!!!!
Take away the powers to stop Westminster polluting Scotland with Nuclear material.

What a loyal Scotsman Maggie Brown is!!!!

Scots people are anti-nuclear in their leanings. You better wait until AFTER an election Maggie!!!!

No thing new in the world is there: Scots flocking to London and then showing how Anglicised they are by selling out Scotland.

 

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