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Published Date: 20 May 2007
THE SNP's historic victory in the Holyrood election has "rattled the timbers" of the Union, according to Prince Andrew.
In the first comment by a member of the Royal Family on the outcome of the vote, the Duke of York declared that "we are always in a state of change in any society".

He went on to issue a clear affirmation of Scotland's right to decide its own des
tiny, insisting that Scotland "is, and has always been, a nation and a nation with a great history".

The Duke's comments, given during an address at the opening of the General Assembly of the Church of Scotland, were given in the presence of First Minister Alex Salmond, who immediately welcomed them as "good-natured remarks".

Salmond will this week receive the seals of office from the Queen when she visits Scotland. The warming relations between the SNP and the monarchy emerged during the election campaign when Salmond spoke of how he envisaged the monarch remaining as head of state in an independent Scotland.

Prince Andrew was speaking in his capacity as Lord High Commissioner of the Kirk. Also attending was the Rev Sheilagh Kesting, who has become the first ordained female minister appointed as Moderator

The prince said: "The General Assembly has a 450-year link with the Monarchy through this position and I only add another temporary link and embody this continuous chain which has bound the Church and Sovereign together."

He added: "This very month has seen the celebration of the 300th anniversary of the uniting of the kingdoms and the union of parliaments, while at the same time an election in Scotland has rattled the timbers of the concept of the Union."

He said: "We are always in a state of change in any society. Democracy empowers the citizens of the state to decide on how and by whom they will be ruled. Scotland is, and always has been, a nation and a nation with a great history and worldwide reputation. The contribution by Scots to the power and influence of Great Britain and to civilisation in general in the last three centuries has been enormous."

The prince also went on to reminisce about the Falklands War, in which he served as a helicopter pilot. This year is the 25th anniversary of the liberation of the islands following their invasion by Argentina.

He said: "As one who served in the Falklands, I look back with pride but also with mixed feelings on those adventurous times. The feeling of pride comes from what we achieved.

"Some 27,000 of our armed forces, in very difficult conditions, 8,000 miles from home, all of it over ocean, retrieved a group of islands that few had heard of from an invader that really should have been a friend rather than an enemy. We did this with the full support of our nation."

He also alluded to the Iraq war, saying there was a "divergence of views" over any particular conflict. But those sent into battle had a right to be cared for by their country. "Whatever any divergence of views over any particular conflict, and in a healthy democracy there will always be such controversy, we must remember that those sent into situations of conflict by democratic governments have an inalienable right to support and care from the nation as they carry out their dangerous duty.

"We are all conscious that today, as 25 years ago, there are British service men and women in situations of extreme danger, some at the cost of their lives, trying to bring security, peace and freedom to what may seem impossible situations.

"Our thoughts and prayers must be with them and their families, whilst never forgetting the truly real and terrible life facing the people they are amongst."

The prince then paid a warm tribute to his parents, the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh, who celebrate their diamond wedding anniversary in November this year.

Andrew said: "Sixty years of marriage should be celebrated for any couple who reach this milestone. As a part of their family I think that it is a cause of particular celebration.

"I can truly say that as our Queen and Consort they have performed their duties unstintingly and have dedicated themselves to their nation so effectively and completely, working together; whilst never forgetting their family responsibilities. They have always been there for us throughout our lives."

Salmond said afterwards: "The Duke of York spoke movingly about his family, and was very well received by the General Assembly. He was on fine form, and I welcomed his good-natured remarks about the election."



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Auckland Arab,

20/05/2007 00:50:47

Maybe we should offer Andy the crown of Scotland - he seems to be batting for us after all.

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Wisnaeme,

20/05/2007 01:32:52

He said what in that place?

Dearie me that won't go down well with Her majesty's other half.Himself being honorary president of one of the last remaining bastions of unionist regicide in Scotland, namely the SPEC of Embra Toon. Come to think of it,they won't be too amused by those remarks either, not particulary fond of change so they're not.That will give them something to debate on,so it will. Aye, interesting times ahead right enough.
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BW2,

Everywhere 20/05/2007 01:54:14

Well done Andy, He sounds afraid of SNP.
Richard Entrapment Elias keep your tripe for the Record Please.

http://williambeck.blogspot.com/

http://williambeck.blogspot.com/

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BW2,

Buckingham Gates Next, Maybe 20/05/2007 01:59:26

One shall have to be wary of those awful people north of the border eh

http://williambeck.blogspot.com/

http://shirleymckie.myfastforum.org/sutra34.php#34

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bully wee alba,

Salmond Ville 20/05/2007 02:16:25

The Falklands War hero would be well advised to remember that the Scottish citizens have it within their power to bin the Hanovarian monarchy, irrespective of how hard they have worked, or how long they have been married. How long was he married, by the way?

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Burnes,

Oregon, USA 20/05/2007 02:50:11

In this article it says that:

"The warming relations between the SNP and the monarchy emerged during the election campaign when Salmond spoke of how he envisaged the monarch remaining as head of state in an independent Scotland."

Since I am new to this forum and the political party platforms would someone please let me know if that is an accurate statement. Meaning is it the position of the SNP that they want Queen Elizabeth II to remain head of state of an independent Scotland?Does Salmond really "envision" the monarch remaining head of state in an independent Scotland?

Thanks :o)

9

Bill, Dunblane,

20/05/2007 05:00:51

8 - Burnes

There is no Queen Elizabeth II.

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Willie Macleod,

Wick 20/05/2007 05:08:42

#9 Yes there is

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Bill, Dunblane,

20/05/2007 05:20:53

9 - Willie

Elucidate.

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nearlyneurotic,

20/05/2007 06:34:43

He was in the forces and did nothing more or less than any other forces member was expected to do and paid to do.

It just surprises me that he`s bothered to get off his latest state funded jaunt to bother to say anything.
Stop fleecing the rest of us Andy and people might, just might bother to listen.
In the meantime p!iss off back to mummy queen,she`ll see you alright with her takings from the rest of us.

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Mikey,

20/05/2007 06:35:55

If #10 thinks there was a QE1 of the UK, then we in Scotland still have a lot of educating to do!

Let's start with Wick and then move down to the neanderthals in West Central Scotland.

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Advance Alba,

Antwerp 20/05/2007 07:28:40

Well as someone who was raised and educated in Crieff, I am reluctant to dispute with the current resident correspondent of that place. But the Scottish line in the Windsors is pretty faint. The jump to Queen Anne, and again to the Hanovers was distant to say the least. The Duke of Windsor famously said once, "there is not a drop of blood in my veins which is not German." Not quite true, but very nearly, and if you count from George I, then even more so.
Let's get rid of them and the associated sycophantic deference which is so unbecoming. A Free and Independent Republic of Scotland should be the aim.

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donald,

weegieland 20/05/2007 07:41:21

No Monarch bears the title, the "First". It always starts with the second. Lizzie is an exception.

Nae Liz the Wan.
Nae Lilibet the Twa.
Nae Liz will ever dae.
We'll mak oor land Republican!
In the Scottish Breakaway.

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Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 20/05/2007 07:44:44

#10: Any Scottish employee of the Royal Mail might well disagree with your viewpoint? The title ERII is not displayed on any post-1953 Royal Mail post boxes, post office pillars and letter boxes, uniform, post bags, vehicles or stationery, anywhere in Scotland! Simply the initials: ER.
No reference is made anywhere to the English title ERII, and the Scottish Honours crown is displayed, and not the English coronation crown of St. Stephen! Several years ago Tesco, or some other large retail group, opened a large number of supermarkets throughout Scotland with post boxes placed at the main entrance for the convenience of their customers. The company received hundreds of complaints from customers, presumably Nationalists, that all these store postboxes were displaying the wrong Royal icon and after the publicity the company realised it had made a mistake and removed ERII, and replaced all of them with the Scottish Honours Crown! All these visible facts can be verified when out shopping.
Lachie Todd.

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Jeeemy,

20/05/2007 07:52:57

I do believe that the Stuart blood does now flow through the Royal Family, be it only through the veins of William and Harry.

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Cadgers,

Perth 20/05/2007 08:16:27

Do I care what an ageing, sponging, helicopter pilot has to say?

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lia,

20/05/2007 08:21:51

19. No, but you seem to care what a ageing snp leader has to say! for gods sake prince andrew is on your side.

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Stephen Gash,

Carlisle England 20/05/2007 08:34:19

The Prince said "The contribution by Scots to the power and influence of Great Britain and to civilisation in general in the last three centuries has been enormous"

But of course England's contribution has been disproportionally greater.

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Cadgers,

Perth 20/05/2007 09:00:16

#20 lia, I'll have you know that "ageing snp leader" is not much older than I am!! Thank you very much;-)

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stevie z,

edinburgh 20/05/2007 09:00:40

The current Royals have a direct lineage to the Stuarts...

23

SNP hypocrisy,

20/05/2007 09:04:00

8. Burnes, Oregon, USA, Good question Burnes, and the answer is NO ONE KNOWS not even the SNP. The SNP manifesto has changed over he last 10 years from one that claimed it would retain the monarchy (similar to the above quoted bs from Salmond) , to one around 2000 which said it would have a referendum on the Monarchy to one that that doesn't actually mention the monarchy at all. Now Salmond himself was previously a member of the Socialist Republican 79 Group. Other members of his cabinet were likewise members of the Republican 79 Group. The briefest look at the SNP supporters posting anti-monarchist things on this board will give you an idea that they are generally antagonistic to the monarchy.

9. Bill Dunblane. FYI, there is most certainly a Queen Elizabeth II, although she is more accurately Queen Elizabeth II of England, I of Scotland. Like most Nats (or is that Natz now since it is said that you now have former SS Officers child amongst the SNP MSP's) you are somewhat ill-informed.

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Boy Wonder,

20/05/2007 09:04:28

From Wikipedia;
The title Elizabeth II has caused some controversy, as there has never been an Elizabeth I in Scotland. In a rare act of sabotage, new Royal Mail post boxes in Scotland, bearing the initials "E II R", were vandalised. (Prior to Queen Elizabeth, Scottish boxes had borne the monarch's initials, but no crown.) To avoid further problems, post boxes and Royal Mail vehicles in Scotland now bear only the Crown of Scotland and no Royal cypher.

A legal case, MacCormick v. Lord Advocate (1953 SC 396), was taken to contest the right of the Queen to style herself Elizabeth II within Scotland, arguing that to do so would be a breach of the Act of Union. The case was lost on the grounds that the pursuers had no title to sue the Crown, and also that the numbering of monarchs was part of the royal prerogative, and not governed by the Act of Union.

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SNP hypocrisy,

20/05/2007 09:07:27

23. Indeed they do stevie. I often marvel over the child of Mary Queen of Scots and just how (not-Scottish, genetically speaking - he actually was). The SNP's nouveau-kilted like to give us this Stuart versus Hanoverian garbage and use the Stuarts as their rallyign call, live in a Jacobite time-warp with a limited spattering of historical facts. BTW to the 'Natz', my ancestry fought on both sides at Culloden. Did yours?

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lia,

20/05/2007 09:28:03

20, sorry no afence intended.

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SNP hypocrisy,

20/05/2007 09:37:33

28. lia. Always stand your ground and never apologise to someone who is wrong, insulting, disrespectful of others, and bang out of order. ;-)

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lia,

20/05/2007 09:44:21

29. gotcha.

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james 1st,

nz 20/05/2007 10:03:01

the monarchy is far from perfect, bur the option of having an elected president, who has to get cash from all sorts of people to buy the presidency, who owes all sorts of favours is much less attractive

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Cadgers,

Perth 20/05/2007 10:11:00

#28 Nae offence taken lia, you're entitled to your opinion, as am I.

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Rab McClair,

IN GRAVE DOUBT 20/05/2007 10:40:22

#26 "SNP Hypocrisy"
You are a completesaddo with yer references tae yer faimilies fightin' oan baith sides at Culloden. Question is what are YOUR views?? Frankly I don't giva toss about YOUR ancestors or whether they were born one side of the blanket or not etc.
...and to try and sound off at others who, you say, have a misplaced sense of history....DUH !!!
As an SNP supporter, I have NO ALLEGIANCE WHATEVER to the Stuarts...and neither do the VAST majority of such voters......your puerile attempts at a Brigadoon approach to Scotland and its history just shows what a total prat you are.
Scots like you are cringe-worthy embarrassing when it comes to trying to show themselves better than others whose scots lineage doesn't go back that far. Are they somehow "less Scottish" than you??. As for your ancestors being on both sides...sounds to me like THEY wanted it both ways also.......a long lasting family trait then.
Away an' work ya mug ye !! ... or GO AWAY..yer a total embarrassment !!!!

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Dennis,

North Isles 20/05/2007 10:51:06

It is well to remember that the monarchy are the ultimate surivors. So what if the union crumbles - they will still have the crown and position in both Scotland and the remainder of Britain, as the SNP are avowed to the monarchy.
I would rather we based any decisions on the choice of the people rather than an anachronism such as is monarchy and its associated self interest.

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NERIED,

Glasgow, Strathclyde (I wish) 20/05/2007 10:52:07

Recent result of election...
Unionists...79
Seperatists..49
Big Margo...1
Discussion over.
PS According to the SNP, all Labour voters are numptys. As the instructions were clear enough only a numpty could make a hash of it and spoil their ballot papers. So, who won again????

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Gregor Addison,

Scotland 20/05/2007 11:11:09

#8 Burnes, Oregon

It is the policy of the SNP to keep the queen. She is known as Queen Elizabeth II but, since Scotland never had a Qeen Elizabeth I (as she was qeen before 1603 and the Union of the Crowns), we should rightly call her Queen Elizabeth the II of England and Wales and first of Scotland. Nobody really cares.

#24, SNP hypocrisy

I have a German girlfriend, so when I read remarks like, "most Nats (or is that Natz now since it is said that you now have former SS Officers child amongst the SNP MSP's)", I naturally get annoyed. It's a favourite trick of Labour party hacks to suggest that the SNP are closet Nazis. From references to prominent Nazis to suggestions like "Alex Salmond will be munching his Bratwurst at Bute House to the creaking of lederhosen" (I made that up) are typical of this kind of rubbish. Anyway, I'd like to know what role an SS officer's child played in the war before I blamed them for the sins of his/her father. You don't really believe your own progaganda do you, Hypocrisy?

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Punta Prima,

20/05/2007 11:22:01

#35 I never saw any of the above parties on the Ballot papers. The results were clear.
SNP 47
Labour 46
Tory 17
Lib dems 16
Greens 2
Margo 1
This being the factual case and also the fact that the SNP are in government means the answer to your question is the SNPO won

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Royster,

20/05/2007 11:45:45

You can't rely on the Royal Family to protect Britain, only Parliament can do this. Up the British Republic!

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Dennis,

North Isles 20/05/2007 11:52:58

# 37 my friend AM2

The royals do try their best for Britain. All the more problem then if they have to be 'balanced' in a future dual role in backing potential trade rivals Scotland and Rest of Britain. Once watered down - their message and effect would be vastly diminished.

The same role could be carried out by a non-political elected presidency.

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Douglas,

Bathgate 20/05/2007 11:57:39

Possibly Royster, but we may never know of their sterling efforts as they appear to want to conduct their (our) business secretly. That is, of course, unless one or some of them want to blow their own trumpets.
Open government? :oP

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Burnes,

Oregon, USA 20/05/2007 16:17:17

#36 Gregor Addison

"It is the policy of the SNP to keep the queen. She is known as Queen Elizabeth II but, since Scotland never had a Qeen Elizabeth I (as she was qeen before 1603 and the Union of the Crowns), we should rightly call her Queen Elizabeth the II of England and Wales and first of Scotland. Nobody really cares.

Thanks for answering my question. It seems I was labouring (if you will excuse the pun) under the misconception from the smattering of articles I have read from the Scotsman email updates that it was the position of the SNP and Alex Salmond that after a brief transition period of a year or so to be monarchy free and truly independent.

That was the only reason for me posting on the forums here. Being a third generation Scottish American and growing up five miles from Independence Hall in Philadelphia I have a rather different interpretation of the concept of Independence. One which is royalty free. If that is truly SNP's position, then I think I will just call myself an American from now on without reference to any other hereditary linkages.

So Caledonia land of Burns you will see me no more. To one and all I bid you a fond farwell. And in the words of the French in regrard to my feelings about the American view of the meaning of Independence and the SNP's. Viva la difference!

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Derick fae Yell,

Scotand back in the World 20/05/2007 16:22:01

"Scotland is, and always has been, a nation "

guid enoch fur me.

42

Scottish Unionist,

20/05/2007 16:57:48

Er, that one third of a vote for the SNP on a 52% turnout has really "rattled the timbers" of the Union!

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Nessieinmapants,

Inverness, The Independent Republic of Scotland! 20/05/2007 17:50:57

Here's an idea worth considering, we Nats should simply hire out every bulldozer in the land and push Glasgow into the Irish Sea!

Problems solved:

1) Knife crime drops in Scotland by 100%
2) Scotland is no longer "The Sick Man of Europe"
3) No more Rangers & Celtic
4) Sectarians move back to NI where they belong
5) The national average IQ goes up by 15 points
6) No more Labour dominance of Scottish politics
7) Millions saved every day on money saved from benefit cheats
8) No more crap weegie TV comedies
9) the elimination of shell suits in Scotland...

You get the idea!

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Jim P,

Netherlands 20/05/2007 17:58:50

#44 Scottish Unionist

10 years ago we didn't have our own Parliament. Check the trend below - 8 years have lost the "unionist" parties 12 seats. All the scaremongering didn't work - SNP won. Start getting used to the feeling on an Independent Scotland! It will happen.

1999 SNP 35 Lab 56 LD 17 Con 18 Others 3
2003 SNP 27 Lab 50 LD 17 Con 18 Others 17
2007 SNP 47 Lab 46 LD 16 Con 17 Others 3

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Jim P,

Netherlands 20/05/2007 18:01:44

#44 Scottish Unionist

Here is how Norway and Sweden managed it:

http://www.norway.org/1905-2005/separation/separation.htm

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Nessieinmapants,

Inverness, The Independent Republic of Scotland! 20/05/2007 18:13:46

Every bad move Gordo the Brown makes in London (England) will ensure the SNP win again in 2011,

All hail Gordo!!!

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Nessieinmapants,

Inverness, The Independent Republic of Scotland! 20/05/2007 18:18:14

Scotland a nation!! OMG, i thought we were a region!

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Gregor Addison,

Scotland 20/05/2007 21:14:15

#42 Burnes, Oregon

The concept of independence is different in countries all over the world. Canada still recognise the Queen, as do Australia, but their relationship to her is different to Britain's. You'll find there are a lot of republicans in Scotland - I count myself as one - but as we, hopefully, progress towards independence, there are other issues of greater importance than whether or not we keep the queen. I am sure you will always find a welcome here in Scotland and I hope you do not have the impression that we consider ourselves 'subjects' of the throne, in fact, Alex Salmond stated in the Holyrood Parliament that his primary responsibility was to the Scottish People.

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Joe M.,

Edinburgh 20/05/2007 22:12:39

He (Prince Andrew) went on to issue a clear affirmation of Scotland's right to decide its own destiny, insisting that Scotland "is, and has always been, a nation and a nation with a great history".

Tony Blair has a slightly different view on the sovereignty of the Scottish people:

Blair refused to endorse the Claim of Right in 1997 declaring 'Sovereignty remains with me as an English MP and that is the way it will stay.'

We know the Lib Dems aren't too keen on getting an honest opinion from the public on Scottish independence either! Despite 60% to 80% of the people supporting a democratic referendum on independence they are determined to block it, even if it's delayed for three years and includes an option of federalism that they supposedly believe in!

Blair's colleague Jack Straw let the cat out of the bag about the true nature of the British 'union':

Historically, England called the shots to achieve a union because the union was seen as a way, among others things, of amplifying England's power worldwide.

And the reverse would certainly be true. A broken-up United Kingdom would not be in the interests of Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland, but especially not England.

Our voting power in the European Union would diminish. We'd slip down in the world league GDP tables. Our case for staying in the G8 would diminish and there could easily be an assault on our permanent seat in the UN Security Council.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/question_time/53880...

Equal it aint!

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Faye,

Scotland 20/05/2007 22:36:38

Was it not Prince Andrew who stood in Lockerbie and said he felt more sorry for the Americans on the flight than the Scots killed on the ground?

"rattled the timbers" more like shaken the foundations and dislodged the rafters!

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Katty,

Bannockburn 21/05/2007 01:42:21

Aye it's getting colder in England . Wind of change blowing up the old trousers. Running out of Oil running out of Electric. Running out of Gas. Running out of water. Running out of space.

Andrew just read about the Roman Legion that came North to tame us. Never heard of again!
He wis taken na chances It's no jist Andrew thats rattled. Rattle on Alba

Lived in the States for 16 years u in Oragon ur no Scots decent. We don't know who told u that but take it from me. they lied. B***** off

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Katty,

Bannockburn 21/05/2007 01:48:34

#8 Oragon

And another thing the answer to ur Question is NO!
Now B*****off

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lorren,

USA 21/05/2007 03:46:06

am2. You spoke with Prince Andrew ONCE and are now a Royalist. it only took one conversation. . You're definately easily swayed wee man.,

Yer giving me a good laugh here.

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williamx,

Delta 21/05/2007 05:48:43

When in America, the Queen is always introduced as the Queen of England. No first or second. As Queen of England she has the right title of second.

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Dave M,

21/05/2007 06:38:27

At least the good prince was relaxed about it all, unlike Bully Broon.

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John Sutherland,

Edinburgh 21/05/2007 07:48:46

Aren't the Royal Family not meant to be politically neutral, or does that only to the Queen herself?

I believe therefore, that we should become a Republic as that would clear that up once and for all.

I don't however, agree with the earlier comment that we should be a British Republic because still leaves Scotland being ruled from London and I wouldn't like to imagine Gordon Brown or even David Cameron as being our President.

Scotland needs to be freed and liberated from London-based rule so that we can finally get our nation back which was so brutally taken away from us 300 years ago. For that reason, Scotland needs to become an independent republic in its own right. That way, England will still be able to keep the Queen and the Royal Family if that is what the people down there want.

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Brisbane Scot,

21/05/2007 07:54:44

Before everyone starts, I am not a royalist.

The bottom line is she has got Stuart Blood in her veins. But having said that I continue to support anyone who believes in an Independant Scotland. Anyone who says the Queen would not support an Independant Scotland is talking through a hole in their a***. The Queen is a very intelligent woman who had the brains to detest that b**** Thatcher.

There are two path we can go when we are Independant, we can have a President which if you look around the planet hasnt proved to be very successful. The position has a history of breeding corruption in politics.

The second is to have our own Monarch who maintains balance between politicians and the people. Now all the uninformed listen to the story about the monarchy costing a fortune. If the UK stopped having a Queen/King there would be a massive downturn in tourism. The bottom line is that the monarchy bring hundreds of millions of pounds into the economy and provides an imeasurable amount of jobs. Fair enough they stuff up the traffic in Edinburgh when they come up, but that is minor when you compare what they give to a nation.

The Americans used the Treaty of Arbroath as a template for their Declaration of Independance (most of the leading revolutionaries were Scottish)but they did approach Bonny Prince Charlie to be their Monarch. Unfortunately he was a p***head with bad health when they approached him (No he wasnt a Rangers supporter).

Getting rid of the Monarchy for the sake of it would not be good for Scotland. But having them as our Royals would be good for our new democracy, and help some of the oldies feel more comfortable with their own new country. But more importantly we could stick up two fingers at the English by referring to her heritage and bloodlines.

The woman and her brood wear the tartan even when in england and have a genuine love of this country and its people. They have their holidays up here every year because they l

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lia,

tees valley 21/05/2007 09:26:20

61. you arrogant person, think you'll find william and harry support ENGLAND, Oh, latest news, The Queen has just sold her herd of ayrshire cattle, think she's planning to get out a.s.a.p.

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SNP hypocrisy,

21/05/2007 11:26:35

42. Burnes, Oregon, USA. I don't think we actually need your 'American' input on the debate on whether we retain a monarchy or not. Monarchist or anti-monarchist, I don't think we really care that you have withdrawn your Scottishness. There is no such thing being Scottish comes from the heart and ancestral extraction, it is not something for fickle American's to claim to be one day and not the next.

It is clear that you do not like the British monarchy, but really, it is none of your business even if you do claim a Scottish grandparent. You are not actually Scottish, doncha know. Now we do not dictate how you should live in your country and wouldn't dream of giving such an opinion on your Presidency - which in recent years has proved extremely flawed to the point of one man abusing his power to affect his nation's position in the world in a detrimental way, and the fine political balance of the middle-eastern world, namely that idiot Bush.

And speaking of idiots, to the anti-monarchist SNP idiot who could barely spell or enunciate his views to me, I can't be bothered checking his message number, but you know who you are, my mention of my own ancestry being on both sides at Culloden only serves to prove that I might actually know something about those events, besides holding a degree in History. The SNP on the other hand peddle "Scotch Myth's" to play on the nation's sentiment. There wasn't much Scottish about Bonnie Prince Charlie or his father. Yet the SNP plays on the old bs about the Stuart's versus the Honoverian's, which induces very deluded people who have never before worn a kilt to dress up like complete clowns in a ludicrous costume often of their own invention and creation.

The SNP should however come clean and either reject the monarchy or accept it's continuance, but to state both things at the very same time (as they do with so many other things) is rather confusing, indecisive and extremely misleading. You c

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lia,

tees valley 21/05/2007 11:42:26

63. FACT, every man,woman,and child in scotland gets 30 POUND more spent on them than english folk; and you scots want to make your minds up, at least 3 posts on this thread says the Queen has stuart blood in her viens, you say she doesn't!!

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Brian Hill,

Brian Hill 21/05/2007 13:38:13

There are no ERII post boxes in Scotland thanks to the late Wendy Wood of Edinburgh whose somewhat eccentric campaign forced the post office to remove all the ERII markings in favour of what we have now. Well played Wendy.

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Rab McClair,

IN GRAVE DOUBT 21/05/2007 20:46:27

#64 SNP HYPOCRISY
It must be dark out there now that you've risen from your tomb !!....or hospital bed at least.
Not only does having ancestors on both sides mean that you may well come from a family who for centuries have hedged their bets, and may have no principles....you are almost certainly a great teller of porkies re your history degree...and in any event, why would a history degree mean that you know more about Culloden than anybody else?. My dad was born in 1939, but he knows not a jot more than me about the events of the next six years. All you do is reveal to the rest of us, not yet totally bored with your pomposity (but we're working hard on it) that you're an ignorant a******e, and probably a liar !! . (I bet you secretly have a room in the hospital done up to look like the Culloden site and shove wee wax models around with a stick, imagining that your Charlie one day (I reckon you're aCharlie EVERY day myself)...and Butcher Cumberland the next.....barking mad you are mate !!
In my entire life I have NEVER heard ANY SNP member to show any particular affinity with the Stuarts...that contretemp was much more about Catholic vs. Protestant rather than Scottish vs. English... but your (ahem) history degree should have told you that, shouldn't it?. Where did you graduate then.....was it a sale in DFS? A special 3 for 2 offer in Boots?, or just something you made up one day when stuck for a way of getting through to a host of readers who think you may be a liar, but are CERTAINLY a fool.......and full of manure !!
Oh, and by the way, I made no anti-monarchy references in my post...although that was only a) in the interests of brevity and b) so's not to tax too hard that unrefined brain of yours, which seems to have developed a penchant for trying to impress folks with made -up degrees !!
Now mate, just relax, take the tablets washed down wi' yer sedative, they can do wonders with head injuries these days. I mean

63

oder,

Scotland 22/05/2007 20:06:00

21. Stephen Gash, Carlisle England

He was just being nice! what he really ment was the
England can`nt do anything on it own,now why dont you disappear back to you English democrats page and continue to spout your anti Scottish bile! were you will find the mugs that will believe you.

64

Gogs3000,

Edinburgh 24/05/2007 12:16:58

67: Cheers Rab that banter filled post gave my lunch break a chuckle.

To be quite honest I couldnt give a hoot if the overprivaliged lot in the Palace have a blood line stretching back to a Pictish King who picked a pot of pickled peppers.

As for the SNP rattling the timbers of the Union I hope it didnt cause any old unionists to be awoken with a startle and drop their falsers into the Earl Grey nestling on their weary chests.


 

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