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Al-Qaeda's white army of terror



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Published Date: 13 January 2008
HUNDREDS of British non-Muslims have been recruited by al-Qaeda to wage war against the West, senior security sources warned last night.
As many as 1,500 white Britons are believed to have converted to Islam for the purpose of funding, planning and carrying out surprise terror attacks inside the UK, according to one MI5 source.

Lord Carlile, the Government's independent reviewer of anti-terrorism legislation, said many of the converts had been targeted by radical Muslims while serving prison terms.

Security experts say the growing secret army of white terrorists poses a particularly serious threat as they are far less likely to be detected than members of the Asian community.

Since the 7/7 and 21/7 London bombings, police and intelligence services have had considerable success in identifying, disrupting and stopping extremist plots. As a result, groups such as al-Qaeda, Lashkar-e-Taiba and Harkat-ul-Mujahideen have been forced to change tack. Converting white non-Muslims has been one response.

The trend is well established in the United States. American-born Adam Gadahn is one of the FBI's top 10 most-wanted terrorists after converting to Islam and rising through al-Qaeda's ranks to become a prominent spokesman.

One British security source last night told Scotland on Sunday: "There could be anything up to 1,500 converts to the fundamentalist cause across Britain. They pose a real potential danger to our domestic security because, obviously, these people blend in and do not raise any flags.

"The exact figure of those who have converted to Islam and turned to terror is not precisely known. Not everyone who converts becomes radicalised and it may be that just two-fifths go down that path, but it remains a significant and dangerous problem."

Carlile said he was not aware of specific numbers, but confirmed to Scotland on Sunday that Whitehall was aware of the new threat and was actively tackling it. He said: "These people are an issue and are potentially very dangerous. There have been cases of non-Muslims converting before, and of these, Richard Reid, the so-called Shoebomber, is the most obvious example.

"They are more difficult to detect and the security services are right to place some focus on this issue."

Carlile said the majority of converts were targeted when they were in prison: "These (converts] are outside the standard type of profile which most police forces would have of a terrorist, which is male, young, and of Middle Eastern or Asian appearance. That is why they are so potentially dangerous."

Carlile added: "The Home Office has a lot of money, millions of pounds, which is being put forward for communities and fighting radicalisation. There is no question how tackling this issue is best achieved: it is achieved at a community level."

Security experts say radical Muslims in prison have become adept at identifying potential new recruits to their cause. Those in custody for the first time, the young and the lonely are particularly susceptible.

Initially, the approach is made to comfort, console and support, with very little reference, if any, to religion.

However, after several 'chats', the conversation will be turned towards the subject and, gradually, over a period of weeks or months, it is possible to complete the conversion.

Robert Leiken, director of the Immigration and National Security Programme and a specialist on European Muslims based at the Nixon Centre in Washington DC, said: "To me, the figure of 1,500 seems reasonable as many, perhaps less than a third, will actually go on to become radicals.

"New religious recruits always tend to be more zealous than those who have grown up with that specific religion."

Edwin Bakker, a Dutch-based security specialist, has studied at length the issue of radical conversions. He said: "The question is relevant and timely. Newcomers to Islam are extra-sensitive to perceived discrimination of Muslims and Islam-bashing.

"They feel they have to defend Islam – one of the essential concepts of Jihad – and they feel they have to prove themselves as newcomers."

But one of Scotland's leading Muslims disputed the claims of radicalisation, saying Islam's strict moral code made it unattractive to many westerners.

Bashir Maan added: "I do not know of any Islamist terror group in Scotland and, considering as a Muslim a person must pray five times daily, abstain from drinking (and] sex outside marriage, adhere to strict dietary and many other rules, it is impossible to convert to Islam a young person brought up in this very liberal society.

"I agree that the security services must be vigilant and keep their eye on everybody, but I think in this case they seem to be over-reacting."

The full article contains 788 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 12 January 2008 9:54 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Terrorism in the UK
 
1

Consistency,

John Smith House 13/01/2008 00:47:15
"HUNDREDS of British non-Muslims have been recruited by al-Qaeda to wage war against the West, senior security sources warned last night."

This seems to be saying that hundreds of non-Muslim al-Qaeda recruits are intent on waging war against the West - we'll need to look out for practising Presbyterians, Roman Catholics, Jews, Mormons, Atheists, etc.

Then we are told they are not non-Muslim at all, but are fifteen hundred 'white Britons' who are believed to have converted to Islam for the purpose of carrying out attacks inside the UK:

"As many as 1,500 white Britons are believed to have converted to Islam for the purpose of funding, planning and carrying out surprise terror attacks inside the UK, according to one MI5 source."

Richard Elias, just what was the point of that first misleading sentence, when your second one made clear the story you are trying to tell?
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13/01/2008 00:53:44
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icehawk,

13/01/2008 00:53:53
At some point you just get sick and tired of hearing "WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!! THE TERRORISTS ARE GOING TO GET US!!!"

Enough already. The overblown, rediculous claims that the bad guys are going to get us is getting old. At what point will the news media finally say, enough already.
4

Clan-destine,

kyoto Japan 13/01/2008 00:53:54
pathetic scaremongering of the worst journalistic kind!
When the IRA were active we never heard of them mentioned as "Catholic terrorists"This type of media garbage does not help the situation one iota but only inflames it.....as intended.Write any sh**e for a good story and whatever you do don't let any of the truth get in the way of it!
5

Conan the Librarian™,

13/01/2008 00:59:23
1
What is the world coming to.

I agree with AM2...
6

Guga II,

Rockall 13/01/2008 01:05:01
Not only is this yet another attempt to try and put the frighteners on people, it is totally contradictory.

We are told that they are recruiting "white" people, yet these are people "of Middle Eastern or Asian appearance". How can they be white and still be of Middle eastern or Asian appearance? Moreover that Reid character, i.e. the "shoe bomber" was not only not white, but he was of negroid appearance.

We are also supposed to believe that they have managed to convert 1,500 white ex-prisoners to their cause (ignoring the fact that if they are white, they cannot be of Middle Eastern or Asian appearance). Are we really meant to believe that 1,500 ex-cons have agreed to go along with Muslim ideals and behaviour patterns?

Whoever came out with this garbage should really try and get out in the real world; either that or stop smoking whatever it is that they are smoking.
7

Kipling,

13/01/2008 01:13:17
I think what he's saying, #1, is that the kind of Islamic 'convert' who honours the 5 pillars of Islam as well as adhering to other social Islamic behaviour is a rarity. Unfortunately, there may well be many a convert who adopts the religion rather like drop-outs in the 1960s thought they were Hindu by simply chanting 'Om' and sitting in a dark room in a yogic position.

But going back to the stirring of the population of these isles to set each upon the other: how many of us had heard of el-Qaeda before '9/11'? It's always been the case that young Bangladeshis and Pakistanis don't like the British, much as the Africans in discussion with each other will slag off the colonial empire and continually refer back to 'slavery' as if those white people around them should carry a sack of guilt on their backs and therefore positively discriminate in their favour. We've also invited into the country a ton of people who have no political loyalty towards us. The notion of 'patriotism' is lost with most of this lot because it relates to the previous long term inhabitants of these islands. But despite this, like some other posters I sense a great danger of approaching the kind of thing that went on in the Soviet bloc, where the idea of the invisible enemy led to great repressive movements. Where do you stop in slyly investigating how far a person's beliefs and political sympathies will result in solid violent action? Brown has probably killed more elderly people with his policies than any little proto-muslim nerd came near to massacring. We've got to get this propaganda into perspective, without going in completely the other direction & denying that there are a bunch of single or organised fanatics out there. Remember the Omaha bombing, all the newspapers calling for blood against the Arabs, and then it turned out to be some right-wing junkhead?
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COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 13/01/2008 02:40:06
WHEN.I.COME.HOME.DO.I.CALL.MYSELF.A.WHITE.SCOTSMAN
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COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 13/01/2008 02:42:28
DEAR.GOD.WHY.DID.THEY.NOT.LISTEN.TO.ENOCH
11

Ross Fyffe,

Scotland 13/01/2008 02:49:00
Some of did and when such events as the bus blowing up in London the streets flowed with blood, ............
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13/01/2008 04:12:45
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Ross Fyffe,

Scotland 13/01/2008 04:35:35
Revelation, ................. got it all covered, ..............
14

C.U. Jimmy,

The original and best C.U. Jimmy 13/01/2008 05:00:57
Apart from the hysterical and gushing prose, I think your headline writer's "white army of terror" must be breaking several Race Relations publishing guidelines at the very least. What is the reader expected to do: run around shouting "Oh dear, the sky is falling" (again)?

This is not the SoS's finest piece of journalism - though to be frank it's a long time since 'fine journalism' and 'the SoS' belonged in the same sentence.
15

Daniela Sunders,

USA 13/01/2008 05:18:53
Some have posted comments such as "Enough already. The overblown, rediculous claims that the bad guys are going to get us is getting old."

Really? Anyone read the news two days ago from Paris? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=507760&in_page_id=1811&ito=newsnow

How about from Germany yesterday? And the warning of the plots in Germany comes from a majority-Muslim nation, no less:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/01/12/germany.terror.ap/index.html

I guess because the foiled attack at Glasgow Airport some months ago didn't result in carnage, and even the 7/7 attacks were not as bad as the terrorists had intended, not enough people take these threats seriously.
16

Amani_Bunduki,

Canberra 13/01/2008 05:35:47
It's just never going to stop... what a mess.
17

Ross Fyffe,

Scotland 13/01/2008 06:29:58
its a mess all right, and a mess of our own making, we let our elected officials to give in to sop and c*** spouted by these people.

We are now starting to pay the price, I only hope you americans who read this take note and fix it
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scotusexiguus,

USA 13/01/2008 06:34:05
May I suggest a recent book entitled "America Alone" by Mark Steyn, a Canadian writer. He discusses the massive international demographic changes over the last several decades, and the impact they already have had on Europe (hence this article; "youths" rioting in France; the GLA and LON attacks) and is beginning to have an effect on the Western hemispere as well -- at least Canada & the US. To one who watched the Twin Towers burning on 9/11/01, this is all very real. It can be blown off as 'scare mongering,' but it is a real possibility that Scotland - God forbid - will face sharia law before gaining independence. Alba gu braith, but "Casteal Foulais na' theine!"
19

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 13/01/2008 07:01:13
Is this an attempt to justify further expansion of the security services?
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13/01/2008 07:05:14
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13/01/2008 07:24:39
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Hamad Lone,

UK 13/01/2008 07:41:30
More scaremongering....You say "As many as 1,500 white Britons are believed to have converted to Islam for the purpose of funding, planning and carrying out surprise terror attacks inside the UK, according to one MI5 source."
Does this mean that they are only converting to Islam for the specific purpose of carrying out these acts. If so, then they are not really muslims.
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13/01/2008 08:01:15
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El Sabio,

South Africa 13/01/2008 08:07:31
It must bebecause Islam promises the "converts" a one way trip to paradise and there will be 40+ virgins waiting to satisfy their needs.

Islam gained many converts in South Africa dusring the Apartheid era as it offered more than Christianity.

We are in the clash of civilisations. This is not something that will go away easily.
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Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 13/01/2008 08:18:49
Truth is that ALL religions practised in Britain are alien ones. Even modern Druidry fails to recapture the essence of our only indigenous faith/practice. The sooner we clear out alien species of pests, trees, diseases, etc, the better (in my opinion).
26

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13/01/2008 08:36:30
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Rab The Ranter,

Ayrshur 13/01/2008 08:50:40
Am fedup wae aw this terror stuff. Infact a fedup PERIOD. I haenae commented oan oanything fur yonks. Ur yeez aw missin me (or no :o)
28

9/11 was an inside job,

Fife 13/01/2008 09:02:24
Member of Japanese Diet Doubts Official 9/11 Fairy Tale

On January 11th 2008 member of Parliament Yukihisa Fujita of the Japan Democratic party, made a 20 minute long statement at the House of Councillors, the upper house of the Diet (parliament) of Japan. He questioned the official version of 9/11 presented to the Japanese government and the public by the US administration in a session of the defense commission.

http://www.truthnews.us/?p=1644
29

lielayer,

13/01/2008 09:16:54
16
Daniela Sunders,
USA

Pyrrhus on the Potomac:
How America's post-9/11 wars have undermined US national security

http://www.comw.org/pda/0609br18.html
30

Yane,

Melbourne 13/01/2008 09:32:38
#29 I don't know about all the theories about an inside job an all but I thought it was interesting that the Japanese politician thought it was a matter for police. But this is not a radical, unusual view is it? I heard Gore Vidal say the same thing.
31

Calum Crubag,

13/01/2008 09:44:10
HOw can Britons who've converted to Islam be described as 'non-Muslim'??? It seems to assume the Islam is a race, itself an imaginary concept.

Once again, the evil of religion rears it's head. Sure, Muslims want to conquer the world but what religion doesn't? Hence, we have Catholic schools and 'religious observance in schools to brainwash our children. It seems that Christians and Muslims alike find it difficult to keep their 'personal' faith to home and church.
32

Calum Crubag,

13/01/2008 09:45:59
#13 - i think this guy is really Chairman Gordon fae Allt a' Bhonnaich.
33

Paul Carline,

Scotland 13/01/2008 09:51:13
#29 & 31. Indeed, 9/11 was not an attack on America from outside, but a mass murder organised and carried out from within America. It should have been treated as a crime investigation.
But let's not forget that no evidence has been presented to the British public that the four young Muslims alleged to have carried out the bombings in London on 7/7/ were even in London that day. Despite having more CCTV cameras per head of population than anywhere else on the planet, no images of the four at any tube station or on any bus have ever been released. None of the bus's four CCTV cameras was apparently working. Suspicious? I would say so. (No cameras working when Diana died; no cameras working on the Pentagon on 9/11 either).
And what about all the alleged 'plots' our brave police and security services have uncovered? 'Ricin plot'? No ricin ever found. 'Liquid explosives on planes plot'? It's not possible to make liquid explosives on a plane. Are we supposed to believe this garbage? Why should we believe anything the security services tell us?
They're just part of the government plot to maintain a high fear level so they can pass more restrictive legislation and suppress dissent. Same tactics the Nazis used.
34

Murray G,

UAE 13/01/2008 10:03:43
I am an atheist but I do note that it is 1429 this year in the Islamic calendar. What were the Christians doing in their 1429? Well among other theocratic brutalities, Joan of Arc was about to be burned alive for heresy. mmm..
35

ddmc,

13/01/2008 10:07:18
The media calls him Al-Qaeda but his father calls him Adam Pearlman & his grandfather was a senior member of the american JDL.

This guy is responsible for helping release all these ever so convienient (for Bush) Bin Laden video's claiming he is still alive & well. Even though there is a large body of evidence that he is dead, he had end stage renal failure but of course we all know that he had a dialysis machine installed in his Afghan cave.

The last person to claim that bin laden is dead was Benazir Bhutto & we know what happened to her !.

But of course i'm a deluded conspiracy nut, our goverments & security forces would never attempt to manipulate our media by planting false stories or placing agents into newspapers to control the release of disinformation. That only happens in the movies.
36

Aesop,

TheScottishPatient .com 13/01/2008 10:25:04
"As many as 1,500 white Britons are believed to have converted to Islam for the purpose of funding, planning and carrying out surprise terror attacks inside the UK, according to one MI5 source."

All hail The Ministry Of Truth.
37

Transparent?,

Scotland 13/01/2008 10:45:45
What's new? We have a terrorist in Holyrood masquerading as First Minister and what he plans to do to Scotland certainly terrorises me!

Dictionary definition of 'terrorist':

"One who favours or uses terror-inspiring methods of governing or of coercing government or community"
38

Niall Leighton,

Perth 13/01/2008 10:46:49
Richard Reid? Is this the guy who tried to detonate plastic explosive in his shoe using a match?

Let's just think about this for 3 seconds: he tried to detonate *plastic explosive* in his shoe *using a match*.

Ohhhh!!! I'm scared!!!
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Calum Crubag,

13/01/2008 10:50:27
#35 - interesting points. Yeah, that other middle-eastern Arab creed, Christanity, has a proud record of mass murder. Especially against other 'christians'. How many European women were 'executed' as witches? How many other Spaniards did Fascist Catholic Franco kill? How many did Catholic Hitler kill?
40

Media 1,

cape town 13/01/2008 11:11:09
I dont believe that Al Qaeda exists. The enemy has no face because the enemy is actually the ally! Give it a name, create a face and we are all fooled into believing that the enemy actually exists as something seperate from our own government...
I honestly believe that the powers that be commisioned the hit on the twin towers! That order was then passed down to another trustworthy runner, and within two years you had some young Muslim lads taking orders from older clerics. The ultimate order was now so far removed from the source that it was impossible to trace, and none of the people carrying out the order knew better either.....The hit came, the enemy was identified as Al Qaeda, the man behind it was known as Osama Bin Laden and the target was Iraq and Saddam, not the identified enemy!
Some 6 years later and that war is still going on, billions of dollars are being made in the west and just as its about to come to an end, the new enemy has been identified as Iran. The process of brainwashing has begun, Iran is the next target, NOT OSAMA BIN LADEN and this so called Al Qaeda!
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an interested party,

13/01/2008 11:15:33
it should come as no surprise that the departments (mi5/6)that we employ to jump at shadows do exactly that

there job is to overstate there case and 'put the frighteners on'

you are far more likely to die in a work place accident than at the hands of the evil terrorists

more people have died in road accidents in the last year than all the coalition forces have lost in iraq

perspective is sadly missing here

oh and No 16
foiled attack at Glasgow Airport

it wasn't foiled it was doomed to failure from the off
and a level of attack that hardly instils fear
42

Yane,

Melbourne 13/01/2008 11:20:53
#41 Come to an end in Iraq Media 1? When?
43

Helga,

13/01/2008 11:44:04
The terrorists have already won! At what intervals are we being warned by our masters? I think we should be told. What is uplifting though is how many comments reflect the view that this is scaremongering of the worst kind. It is self-defeating because many of us will simply ignore it and continue to live life normally and that is how it should be. Who constantly thinks about falling under a bus or being killed in a car accident, having a heart attack or be fatally contaminated through an accident at a nuclear power plant - all these things have happened and the list is never ending. So, MI5, just cheer up, do your job properly and quietly in the background - that is what you are paid for by us, the tax payer.
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Nansaidh,

USA 13/01/2008 11:47:58
9/11 an inside job?? Check out this site for the evidence: www.loosechange911.com. It was a "wake up call" to watch this. I'd be interested to see if anyone else will watch this and comment....
45

Dave from Barra ©,

Western Isles 13/01/2008 11:57:13
Um, if they have been convertd to Islam, that makes them Muslim as Muslim is a religion, not a race.

Just like I'm not a Jew but I can become one if I so choose.
46

jkr,

Lochwinnoch Greater Glasgow 13/01/2008 12:21:06
As has been shown time and again, the biggest threat to this planet is religion.
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morris,

Edinburgh 13/01/2008 12:42:55
You only have to look at USA origin TV to see what's happening.Almost every show produced in the USA in the last ten years has an Al Quaeda terrorist in there,somewhere(and Im not talking about documentaries),and if thats not scaremongering and brainwashing I don't know what is.

Even if this proves to be correct HOW exactly did we establish how many there are but cannot name or catch a single one?Unless of course you count Brazilan plumbers as terrorists.
48

Biker,

Ayr 13/01/2008 12:43:14
Well said Media1
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revsween,

13/01/2008 12:46:29
5clandestine#The troubles in Ulster were about territory it was not the aim of the PIRA to convert the rest of us to Catholasism so they were terrorists who happened to be (in the main )catholic.
Al qaeda are fundamentalist muslim terrorists whose ultimate aim is a muslim planet goverened by shiara law.A new caliphate were all our rights and freedoms are replaced by burkas and hijabs .It really is time we woke up to what this is all about
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Supe,

13/01/2008 12:56:58
#48 Morris, you need to watch something besides 24, because Hollywood carefully avoids "bad guys" who are Arab or Muslim. Even 24 did a disclaimer.

Europe is in greater danger than the United States, but is in mass denial. Maybe there should be a little "scaremongering" across the EU, but that would get in the way of the utopian dreams you have over there.
52

Gothic Rose,

13/01/2008 13:06:22
28#Rab the Ranter.:)))
53

JoeMcT,

BlairsFantasyIsland 13/01/2008 13:08:13
Is this the same MI5 who told us that Iraq had WMDs?

Just more lies and spin to frighten Joe Public while our Political masters plot more ways to restrict our basic rights and freedom.
54

Martha,

13/01/2008 13:22:20
Since when are middle easterners not "white?" They are Caucasians. They are not Negroes or Orientals. Of the three races, middle easterners belong to the huge group of people of caucasian origin, despite their somewhat darker skin, just as many east Indians are also caucasian by race. Skin color is NOT a determinate of race. Hair type and jaw shape, among other things, are far more indicative of race than actual skin color, which among caucasians does vary widely.

To call converts to islam in British jails "white" Britons is ridiculous, as some of these converts are no doubt of sub-Saharan African ancestry and are no doubt distinctly negroid. They might also be of oriental origin, with ancestors from Malaysia, China, Burma, or the like.

There's an easy solution: refuse to let radical imams into the prisons.
55

Chaya,

13/01/2008 13:24:12
First of all, the words 'non-white' is not useful at all. Those from Muslims countries are primarily Caucasian, what we generally refer to us 'white.' Some of them are darker in complexion but they are white. What the article should have said was 'non-Arabs.' This is a real situation; it is not 'scaremongering.' If the police haven't been doing their job, we would be seeing a lot more attacks. Then, what would you say? What has to happen for you to realize that this is a war?
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westview,

planet of the apes. 13/01/2008 13:29:23
Well said, *47*. The aetheist view point should be given at least the same amount of time to brain wash our children ,as the superstitious religeous one. Another small point . Do priests and nuns and imams have to obtain the "working with children" certification that other adults must get ,to work in schools and youth clubs etc? If not ,why not?
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Dragonlord,

13/01/2008 13:35:27
Keep the population afraid and you can pass any law you wish. More boggiemen under the bed crap.
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 13/01/2008 13:36:33
Lord Carlile's an odd cove, on one hand he's keen on extending the period of detention without charge and on the other he's noted as the first Member of Parliament to campaign for the rights of transsexuals.

So if the majority of non duskier hued potential terrorists are being recruited in the pokey, do we introduce segregated prisons?
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Gedda,

UK 13/01/2008 13:49:01
"Strict moral code"? Don't make me laugh. For Muslim women maybe.

For men? How about polygamy, easy divorce, temporary 'marriages', traveller 'marriages' (misyar), marriages to very young girls, forced marriages etc etc.

How moral is that?
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 13/01/2008 14:01:39
#60

"How moral is that?"

Great isn't it? Imagine if 'we' could get away with that.
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arkletten,

Falkirk 13/01/2008 14:23:53
When are you idiots going to get it? There may be moderate Muslims but no moderate Islam. Islamic theology is intolerant and xenophobic and calls on Muslims to destroy unbelievers. This means anybody who is not a Muslim.

Thankfully, not all Muslims feel inspired to take up this religious duty to kill: they would prefer to 'invite' us to Islam instead. But nonetheless they know - and Bashir Maan knows - that the elimination of non-Muslims one way or the other through death or conversion is a point of creed.

Read the Qu'ran. Look at how often the word 'kill' appears.

Wake up people.
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Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 13/01/2008 14:30:18
Darn those Non Asian Non Jewish or Christian Undemocratic Freedom Fighters! Who do they think they are? It's because of them the FT index and Dow Jones are constantly fluctuating. Any more of it we will need to increase the price of oil and install even more hidden cameras.
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Methalions,

13/01/2008 14:35:56
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COLINTON.MAINS,
Oakville Ontario 13/01/2008 02:42:28
"DEAR.GOD.WHY.DID.THEY.NOT.LISTEN.TO.ENOCH"

WHY.ARE.YOU.WRITING.PISH.AND.CAPITALS?
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Methalions,

13/01/2008 14:36:20
AND.DOTS.FOR.THAT.MATTER?
65

Methalions,

13/01/2008 14:41:11
Too many racists here.
66

Methalions,

13/01/2008 14:41:45
ps 38 Transparent

I.D.I.O.T.
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lielayer,

13/01/2008 14:56:36
62
arkletten

Muslim prayer for peace:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/isl_peac.htm
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Sunniva,

13/01/2008 15:03:03
Morris 48:
'You only have to look at USA origin TV to see what's happening.Almost every show produced in the USA in the last ten years has an Al Quaeda terrorist in there,somewhere(and Im not talking about documentaries),and if thats not scaremongering and brainwashing I don't know what is.'

Stunning analysis, Morris. For some real facts go to:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2115891,00.html

... and find out the real culprit is Islamic theology.
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revsween,

13/01/2008 16:12:10
66# Don't you mean realists?
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Rita,

Warren 13/01/2008 16:35:51
it's time all you fools went back to the asylum, next time out try to put your brains in gear before you put your mouths in drive
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yockel,

Green Hills 13/01/2008 16:41:03
Wasn't Peter Hain who released this story was it? Perhaps MI5 are just in a budget review.
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Media 1,

cape town 13/01/2008 16:54:14
No matter where you are in the world, mention America and people usually just sigh and shake their heads in pity! I guess that is due to the American war machine, the one that says it is there to protect, yet is more prone to destroy in the name of hard cash!
I watched Bush adressing a hall full of Muslim leaders and politicians earlier today, and he was quite adamant that Iran is acting like a rogue state.
I wonder how many people the Iranian army has killed in the last 6 years, or how many bombs the Iranian army has dropped on foreign territory, or how many collateral damages incidents the Iranian army has had in the last 6 years, or how many countries the Iranian army currently has posts within. I also wonder how many nuclear weapons Iran has by comparison to America?
Funny thing about this world, is that the people who we are supposed to trust, are the one who create the chaos! Bush is a war mongering terrorist ba@tard who probably worships the devil whilst pretending to be some sort of Christian crusader!
I am not that naive to believe that the other side is not a danger, but lets remember why they are now a danger!
Al Qeada is a non entity, they dont exist! It is brainwashing supreme..
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revsween,

13/01/2008 17:08:27
73Media#I agree pretty much with what you are saying about Bush and the USA.However the spread of Islamic Fundamentalism is a long term threat to the West.It scares the cr4p out of me that we have sundry mullahs on one side and neo con christians on the other.The real threat to our way of life comes not from Iraq but from Whabbism in Saudi they are funding extremist clerics in the UK and most other countries.Problem is the Saud and Bin Ladin families are up to their armpits in the American stock market so the Bushes and Cheaneys of this world continue to sell them arms.It is a bad situation
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revsween,

13/01/2008 17:27:38
75 #The equivelent of an islamic reformation happened when the religion split Shia and Sunni.As Peter Kay says Islam is like British weather its either Sunni or its Shia-ite
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daveserviceman,

edinburgh 13/01/2008 17:29:13
I agree with no 38, We always suspected he was in the same bed as jerry adams and the Ira we in the armed forces have never had any support from this so called first minister nor his cohorts, so a terrorist yes I agree with you
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 13/01/2008 17:59:32
#77 Hi Daveserviceman, how are the plans for overthrowing the elected Scottish government by violent means coming along?


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Eric D,

13/01/2008 18:08:00
Carlyle is independent of Government , in fact he is a liberal democrat ,and the idea that he is making it all up is preposperous. Any serious minded persons knows the next muslim attack will come from a white convert, as has happened in Belgium and Germany recently.All independent analysts believe that UK is especially vulnerable to further attacks. Unfortunately, it will take another seious bombing to convince the many dhimmi's on this board.
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richtee,

deep river 13/01/2008 18:08:24
what is scarier than the thought of all the terrorists
running around is the number of absolute heidcases
that contribute their loony opinions on this website.
Get a life and worry about the price of gas.
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Iain's,

13/01/2008 18:16:49
Now the authorities can ignore profiling suspects and waste time searching people with non-muslim backgrounds. GREAT! search white families.

Overtime and doubles all round, as they say in Private Eye!

Those whom Allah wishes to destroy, he first makes mad!!!!!!!!!!!

Join Liberty before it's too late1 I did.
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South Carolina, USA 13/01/2008 18:30:27
"The trend is well established in the United States. American-born Adam Gadahn is one of the FBI's top 10 most-wanted terrorists after converting to Islam and rising through al-Qaeda's ranks to become a prominent spokesman."

Oh, really? Adam Gadahn was recruited in prison? First I heard of it. . .

And since when does one example meet the criteria of a "well established trend"?

There is too much in this article that is not based on fact.
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Ross Fyffe,

Scotland 13/01/2008 18:40:07
Adam Yahiye Gadahn (Arabic: ??? ???? ???, also known as Azzam al-Amriki, born Adam Pearlman, September 1, 1978) is an American-born English-language senior operative, cultural interpreter, spokesman and media advisor for the al-Qaeda organization.

He is a convert to Islam.

From 2004 to 2008 he appeared in a number of videos produced by the organization as "Azzam the American" ('Azzam al-Amriki, ???? ????????). He is felt to have inspired bin Laden's September 2007 video.

In 2004, he was added to the FBI Seeking Information - War on Terrorism list. On October 11, 2006 he was removed from that list, and placed on the Bureau of Diplomatic Security Rewards for Justice list of wanted terrorists. On the same day, Gadahn was indicted in the Southern Division of the United States District Court for the Central District of California by a federal grand jury for treason. He is the first American charged with treason since 1952.
He is currently believed to be in Pakistan or Afghanistan[citation needed] and is being actively sought by the Bureau of Diplomatic Security. (wiki)
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Griffe,

13/01/2008 18:41:50
Easy answer - reinstate that death penalty for acts of treason. When terrorists are found charge them with treason & if found guilty execute them. Humans rights & democracy are what al Qaeda feeds on.
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Methalions,

13/01/2008 18:51:34
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revsween,
13/01/2008 16:12:10
"66# Don't you mean realists?"

No. Racists. Clear now?
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Methalions,

13/01/2008 18:52:41
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Media 1,

Well said Media 1. I take back what I said about you on another thread.
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Ross Fyffe,

Scotland 13/01/2008 18:53:40
the human rights act is the biggest tool in the fundamental Islamists box.

they play it and win every time.

just look at the mess in Canada where the Canadian Gov. fully funds hr cases against coitizens who have to defend themselves and have no right of appeal.

WAKE UP what will it take before you see the big picture???
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revsween,

13/01/2008 18:58:50
85 # typical leftwing tactics if anybody questions your argument scream racist or fascist.Islam is not a race its a religion ,whos ideal is a Muslim World under sharia law.The teachings of the ever increasing number of extremist clerics ,mainly funded from Suadi,is the overthrow of our country.Now p1ssoff back to your brown rice and lentils
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Lynne,

USA 13/01/2008 19:04:54
Media1..I am sure Osama bin Laden will be thrilled to know his "organization" Al Qaeda doesn't exist. I wonder what he calls 'His band of merry men"? What about Al Qaeda in Iraq?..they made the name to coincide with an "organization" that doesn't exist? The head of the "organization" was appointed by the "organization" in Afghanistan or Pakistan!! Are they all under delusions? You're the only one who knows the truth?
It is time you wise up.
The man himself, Osama bin Laden, has laid out his plans for the world to see. He has told us all in his videos what he plans to do. And if you can't believe him, then who do you believe?
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Arkady,

England 13/01/2008 19:13:49
Pretty much all of the world's governments, intelligence services, human rights institutions, and academic institutions and al-Qaeda themselves know al-Qaeda exists. In fact, the only group of people outside of the Arab propaganda sphere who don't think al-Qaeda exists are Truthers. Truthers think everything is a conspiracy and explain otherwise realtively simple occurances away with paranoid, impossible 'theories', usually invloving timetravel and robots. 'OMG, my carkeys aren't in the place I'm fairly certain I left them!1! The CIA must've moved them!!1!'
Of course, nobody pays any attention to what Truthers think or say. And with good reason too.
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Renate Baramy,

Israel 13/01/2008 19:19:48
I agree with 47 and 5l. I may sound pessimistic but I fear that in the future there will be fighting in England between muslims and the rest of England,the same as there is in Israel today as muslims don't seem able to assimilate to the country they live in due to their religious beliefs. As the british allowed imams from abroad to enter the country and spread their venom, withous controlling them they will eventually have to pay for their mistake. Unfortunately we only have to listen to vile hatred the imams spread in the mosque of Palestine and other countries, see what happened to the british teacher who asked the children for a name of their pets and agreed to Mohammed, and you have your answer. France knew how to handle if by forbidding head gear for pupils in school, thus banning all religious signs in public places for children, Religion has no place in government or any other place but places of worship,where people choose to go to pray and prayer alone.
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Ross Fyffe,

Scotland 13/01/2008 19:26:04
92 was a teddy bear not a pet .......... that said the UK is at its most vurnerable for 100 years, the army is already invaded, they are recruiting from within, they are armed, they are in positions of power (i.e. soft targets) they only have to have a few spectaculars with the hint of one being a "dirty" bomb to cause mass panic. mass panic = equivalent of martial law, this country does not even comply with normal law so situation worse, militay and police stretched to the limit ........... then ........ well you guess is as good as mine
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revsween,

13/01/2008 19:26:36
90Arkady:That would explain why I spend half my life looking for car keys,there was me blaming the wife when it was George Bushes'seceret agents all the time
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revsween,

13/01/2008 19:28:26
91#there is very little oil to be found in British church yards
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Jonboy,

13/01/2008 19:41:53
Wondering how many of our American friends who post on here believe that, as a result of GWB's so called "War on Terror", for which he is now claiming some kind of a victory - believe that, as a result of his actions, the US is less likely to suffer another terrorist attack along the lines of 9/11..?
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msspurlock,

Missoula, MT 13/01/2008 19:46:10
Sure. Why not? They've already converted the Labour Party and all the Democrats in America, so why not you guys, too? Sounds like half of you are already brainwashed.
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Ross Fyffe,

Scotland 13/01/2008 19:47:28
# 96 none do I am sure, the terrorists take their time, if you think 1500 insurgents already in the uk then the usa has way more, they have Islamic townships which are no-go areas in the usa and they have another insurgent army to worry about, 26 - 20 million hispanics, who when their anchor babies start to vote there will be a white/black on brown backlash that will make the white on black troubles seem tame.

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arkletten,

13/01/2008 19:55:54
lielayer (68):

Qu'ran: 9:29-30
'Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the last day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given scripture - fight until they give jizyah (money tribute) willingly while they are humbled.

The Jews say: 'Ezra is the son of Allah'. And the Christians say 'The Messiah is the son of Allah'. That is their statement from their mouths: they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before them. May Allah destroy them. How are they deluded?'

Yeah, Islam is peace! (Peace of the grave, you dhimmi-wit).

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Kaye2,

Arizona 13/01/2008 20:02:40
Sadly, m