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£4m boost for war on terror



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Published Date: 22 June 2008
DOZENS more counter-terrorism officers will be recruited in Scotland after ministers handed police chiefs an extra £4m to tackle the threat of Islamic extremism.
Almost a year after the attack on Glasgow Airport, the additional funding is intended to boost security at ports and airports, as well as helping police do more work with minority communities to boost awareness of terrorism.

The Scottish Government is also working with the Association of Chief Police Officers Scotland and other key agencies to develop a Scottish approach to preventing terrorism as part of the UK counter-terrorism strategy, Contest.

The £3.8m extra will help fund more than 50 new counter-terrorism jobs north of the border. It will focus on areas such as improving communications and improving knowledge and understanding.

Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill said: "As last year's attack at Glasgow Airport showed, terrorism respects no boundaries. Terrorism is a threat to all of our communities. We all need to work together to reduce the threat of another terrorist attack.

"These additional counter-terrorism officers will help to make our ports and airports more secure and allow the police to work with communities to raise awareness of terrorism and related issues to make Scotland a safer place."

Opposition MSPs gave a mixed reaction to the move.

Bill Aitken, the Scottish Tory justice spokesman, said: "The Conservatives have been calling for a dedicated border security force at our ports and airports, and this announcement is a move in the right direction.

"But terrorists and terrorism do not respect internal UK borders and should be combated across the UK in partnership between Scotland's two governments and two parliaments."

Labour's justice spokeswoman, Pauline McNeill, said: "The attack on Glasgow Airport showed that terrorism has no respect for borders. The first duty of any government is to secure the safety of its people We welcome additional resources to the police for the creation of 50 new counter-terrorism posts."

Counter-terrorism is an element of national security, which is reserved to Westminster, but many aspects of prevention and management of the consequences are devolved, as police funding and criminal law are matters devolved to Holyrood.

Since 2003, Contest has been the UK framework for countering terrorism, and the Scottish Government plays a prominent role in delivering the Contest strategy in Scotland.

Unlike in England, there remain doubts about exactly how much is being spent in Scotland on funding counter-terrorism.

Home Office figures show that it spent £472m in the last financial year on counter-terrorism in England and will spent an additional £240m over the next three years.

To match spending levels, the Scottish Government would be expected to spend around one-tenth of that figure – some £50m – but officials have revealed they allocated just £12m in the last financial year.

A spokesman for the Scottish Government said that, unlike in England, chief constables in Scotland allocated money for counter-terrorism from their own budgets.

However, police forces refuse to say how much they spend, claiming the figures are confidential, making it impossible to compare spending on counter-terrorism in Scotland against England.

Muslims have sought assurances that the new funding will not be directed at creating an anti-Islamic "terror industry."

Osama Saeed, the chief executive of the Scottish-Islamic Foundation, said: "We are, of course, supportive of any measures that are needed towards our safety. What we have in the past cautioned against is the creation of a 'terror industry' in Scotland that would need to find work to do in order to justify its existence.

"We'll be seeking assurances from the government and the police that these 50 posts are proportionate and necessary, as there have already been issues around the level of questioning at airports and surveillance on the ordinary activities of young Muslims."

The full article contains 640 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 21 June 2008 11:10 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Terrorism in the UK
 
1

Paddi,

22/06/2008 00:48:20
£4m ....thats not much considering this government has fleeced us all these past 11 years. Where's all our money gone???
2

Senga Jean,

22/06/2008 01:07:48
Bush bull'shi't does not save lives. Careful SNP that you do not get close to the fanatics like Bush,Blair and Brown.
3

Frodo the Scot,

00tside lookin in 22/06/2008 02:19:22
"Osama Saeed, the chief executive of the Scottish-Islamic Foundation"....... I think I'm gonna be sick..
MUD-people 1....Scotland 0....god where did we go wrong??
4

Guga II,

Rockall 22/06/2008 04:05:32
It might be a lot cheaper if the Westminster government would pull our troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan. And if they refused to become involved with any more illegal wars; and stopped supporting the terrorist state of Israel in its attempted genocide of the Palestinian people.

5

MacRae_Warrior,

22/06/2008 05:30:56
Yeah, and it might be lot easier for the Taliban to come back, reestablish itself, and start harboring Al Qaeda again. Just when we have reduced Bin Laden's numbers ~94%. BRILLIANT idea, you people are just such geniuses, I don't know why you don't solve all of the world's problems.
6

MacRae_Warrior,

22/06/2008 05:33:23
The only people calling Israel a terorist state are Holocaust deniers and the terrorists themselves, so please just watch yourself.
7

Guga II,

Rockall 22/06/2008 07:45:52
#8.

You do spout some utter garbage. Reiterating the fact that Israel is a terrorist state does not make me, or anyone else a "holocaust denier". Read up on the history of Israel, from its foundations via the Stern Gang and Irgun and their terrorist murders of British troops and their families, etc. Then on to their attempted genocide of the Palestinian people. You might also consider the fact that Israel possesses around 3-400 nuclear weapons, refuses to sign the NPT, and totally ignores hundreds of UNGA and Security Council resolutions.

Nor, might I add, does reiterating the fact that Israel is a terrorist state make me a terrorist. Is this another ploy by the Zionist apologists such as yourself? If you criticise them you must be a terrorist?

Take AM Squared's advice, and join the dots.

8

Guga II,

Rockall 22/06/2008 08:15:21
AM Squared.

On your question on Sharia law, I do agree with the European Court. However, that question has nothing to do with our illegal war in Iraq, or our futile war in Afghanistan.

As for Israel defending itself, it can do that the same way as other countries, within the confines of international law. Apart from anything else, they have their paymasters looking after them.

I think that you will also find that the European Court of Human Rights upholds the principles of international law.

9

Son of Loki,

The Dark Side 22/06/2008 08:56:39
I obviously missed when Israel became a terrorist state. Was it a big news story? I've searched the paper thoroughly and can't find anything.

Silly me, it's the usual 'I'm a better poster than you are' brigade. No sense staying here then if I'm looking for a news story that has some interesting and intelligent discussion going on. Maybe I should try another paper.

Stay alive people, it's the only way to live

Loki Jnr
10

Guga II,

Rockall 22/06/2008 09:21:59
#14 Son of Loki.

I suggest you re-read my comments at #10. Then check out your history, and the news headlines at the time the Irgun and the Stern Gang were murdering British troops and their families.

11

Guga II,

Rockall 22/06/2008 09:34:46
#15 AM Squared.

It seems to me that if certain Moslem countries wish to establish such a system, within their own countries, then that is their problem, not ours.

I presume that you would not agree that western countries should resurrect gun-boat diplomacy and try to force other countries to adopt our, at times, strange beliefs and systems, as well as our, at times, very undemocratic systems.

As for Israels ability to defend itself, with its backing from its paymasters, that does not require an arsenal of 3-400 nuclear weapons. Even the YUK does not have that many nuclear weapons. Moreover, it does not give them the political, legal or moral right to bomb other countries, such as Syria, Iraq or, in the near future, Iran for wishing to have nuclear power stations or, for that matter nuclear wapons.

Perhaps the other Middle Eastern countries feel they need nuclear weapons because of the threat from Israel. A justifiable threat given their treatment of the Palestinians, their invasions of Lebanon and their bombing of Iraq and Syria.

12

puskas,

East kilbride 22/06/2008 10:00:42
Guga I admire your attempts to educate the head in the sand posters.

Israel was built on Jewish terrorism . Simple . Fact.

13

SILVANA,

glasgow 22/06/2008 10:28:41
Israel was not built on Jewish Terrorism and I am NOT a head in the sand poster.
Guga you write a load of sh**e. Israel has never threatened anybody as did Iran. As to Palestine it falls within the boundaries of what was once British Mandate Palestine (1920-1948)
Note British.
What you cannot probably handle is that Israel is a country that grew from nothing, has flourished and the people are one nation. Hard working, intelligent and resilient.
Since the signing of the Oslo Accord in 1993, the U.S. government has committed more than $1.3 billion in economic assistance to the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

Since the end of 2000, Arab states have transferred aid of $45 million (April 2002, increased to $55 million). The European Union (EU) has transfered approximately $9 million monthly. By the end of 2001, the Palestinians had received $4 billion ( now closer to $5.5 billion).

This is the equivalent of $1,330 per Palestinian. By comparison, the Marshall Plan to rebuild Europe after World War II provided $272 per European (in today's dollars)."
Work that one out Guga am sure you will blame it on Israel.
14

SILVANA,

glasgow 22/06/2008 10:40:52
Israel supplies electricity and water to Palestine, it gives medical assistance to Palestine and according to you, Israel is the "terrorist State". You tell me what the Palestinians did with the above noted funding cause I can assure there is nothing to show for it.
15

Big Jock McDoc,

Scotland 22/06/2008 10:43:35
What exactly has Israel got to do with measures to combat Islamic terrorism in Scotland? It just typical smoke and mirrors diversionary tactic by the leftys.

We do need to be more critical of these anti-terrorism policies of the government. I do welcome more money to safeguard our ports and airports but we need to be wary about things like surveillance of individuals which are open to abuse.
16

Big Jock McDoc,

Scotland 22/06/2008 10:49:58
#5

With one of our 'leading lawyers' claiming "A Stealth bomber in Iraq is the moral equivalent of a suicide bomber in Scotland", is it any wonder why we are suspicious of muslims?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/6282636.stm
17

Guga II,

Rockall 22/06/2008 11:09:45
#23 AM Squared.

I can see where you are coming from, but perhaps your interpretation of "the ordinary activities of young Muslims" is quite wrong in that you may be interpreting it only to mean terrorism.

In my opinion, the main problem in this country is the New Labour Sleaze and Corruption Party. Not only was Bliar, then Broon, acting like a tame poodle by following Bush into an illegal war, but this same bunch of incompetents have allowed illegal immigration to run rampant in this country.

We would not have a fraction of the problem of "home grown" terrorists, if the government would put a stop to so-called "asylum seekers" and illegal immigration. It would be quite simple to change the law to deport any illegal immigrants and so-called asylum seekers as soon as their feet hit the deck.

On the matter of asylum seekers, you will be aware that, under international law, they are supposed to seek asylum in the nearest safe country; not to traverse half-way around the globe to get to a soft country like the YUK. In any event, most of them are economic asylum seekers, not the genuine article.

18

Big Jock McDoc,

Scotland 22/06/2008 11:14:16
#24

Apologies, I should rephrase my post.

There is a problem with our current liberal multiculturalist dogma that we have to give 'equal rights' to minorities which perversely is discriminating against them as they are still treated differently, as in this instance Scots of the moslem faith is treated as 'Scottish Moslems' rather than Scots.

The problem is that the groups representing these minorities are interested in their own political agenda's rather than for the interests of the ordinary people. It has resulted in this instance that ordinary moslems are being pulled into race/religious politics where they just want to get on with leading their lives.

What I should have said is that we have to be suspicious of the agenda's of these pressure groups.
19

ddmc,

22/06/2008 11:28:13
#19 what historical proof do you have that Israelies didn't conduct terrorist activities towards British & Palestinian's.
Altogether, since 1949, Israel has received nearly $100 billion in assistance from the US (upto 2005). 16666 per person in Israel by my rough calculations, what do they have to show for it ? 300 nukes, a hidden nuclear weapons plant.

20

Big Jock McDoc,

Scotland 22/06/2008 11:34:12
#27

Nobody is saying that there was Jewish terrorists act in the run-up to the formation of the state of Israel.

It's interesting how this terrorism/freedom fighter argument is being used by certain posters in here.

21

ddmc,

22/06/2008 11:51:29
#27 confused , several posters claimed that Israel was founded with the help of terrorism, #19 claims thats not the case.

Willie Wallace freedom fighter or insurgent ? depends what country your from.
22

Big Jock McDoc,

Scotland 22/06/2008 11:56:04
#29

Unfortunately for you, the issue is too complex to try and simplify it by saying Israel being founded on terrorism.

The point I was making it seems to suit people when they want it to use the terrorist/freedom fighter argument.
23

Guga II,

Rockall 22/06/2008 12:13:50
#30. Why don't you tell us then. Do you consider that the Stern Gang and Irgun were terrorist gangs?

The YUK government of the time did, as did our soldiers and their families who were being killed and maimed by them.

24

ddmc,

22/06/2008 12:14:48
#30 I dont make that claim, i say the terrorism HELPED found Israel it was also HELPED by the Balfour declaration, peel commision, diaspora, the breakup of the palistine mandate etc, but thats too complex for me to understand.

Willie Wallace freedom fighter or insurgent , tell me what you think #30 ?
25

Big Jock McDoc,

Scotland 22/06/2008 12:26:27
#30 #31

Poor debating skills.

I'll reiterate the post again.

The point I was making it seems to suit people when they want it to use the terrorist/freedom fighter argument.

I'll make it more simpler so that you can understand.

People in here use the word terrorist when it suits them.

Is that simple enough?

I have better things to do than try to explain things that are clear as the nose on your face, you know like having a life.

If this thread isn't shut down I'll debate about the important thing like what is happening in this country. I realise you don't like that but that's life.
26

Bravetart,

22/06/2008 13:03:18
Using the money to plug our porous (sp?) borders be more beneficial considering that if there is such a terrorist threat, we have little knowledge of who is living here illegally.

Do that and people might take the threats seriously. Until then the cries always sound a little hollow.

Oh and if Israel is so wonderful why are the building a wall that would put Berlin's old one to shame? Cutting into the land regarless of whether or not they are dispossessing Palestinians. And suicide bombers do not justify it.
27

MacRae_Warrior,

22/06/2008 13:46:10
"Is this another ploy by the Zionist apologists such as yourself?"

'Zionist apologists'?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but those sound like the choice words of a certain group of people who shave their heads and pray to portraits of a man with a certain style of mustache...
As for calling Israel a terrorist state, why don't you go say that to a soldier in the Israeli army, who has been fighting the Islamic extremist terrorists practically all his life, and I mean say it to his face. I'm sure he'll give you a spirited response.
28

Alberto.,

22/06/2008 14:39:28
Wot War! - against the terrorist threat?

It seems this so called War is being run on the lines of a 'Pantomime' - and Britain is now a haven for the terrorist!

Considering that the terrorists don’t mind 'dying' for their alleged good cause (seemingly the death part being the main target of achievement in their lives!) and death of themselves and any others who do - or don’t get in their way, is of very little, if any concern at all to them - it seems they cannot lose!

When their enemy (Us!), who they to want to destroy completely - allows them freely to shout about their wares from ‘our rooftops’ and continue - in ‘our own land’, to stir up hate against us, and knowing, at worst / best, they will either die for their cause (preferably it seems) by choosing to be a ‘suicide’ bomber, or, the great fantastic alternative their enemy offers, no matter the destruction they cause to human life and this Country - the extremely generous arrangement / punishment(?) that their enemy (Us! - again) has in store for them - to ensure, no matter the cost, their safety and protection is paramount to all else - including that of our own citizens!

Wot a lark!

Something has to be wrong in such an arrangement under the classification of War, where ‘our’ enemy can rely on himself not really having an enemy - to his cause, but simply some ‘foolish foe’ who really wants to care and protect them forever, at enormous cost - in many ways, including the great possibility of escape to do it all again!

Currently, even after capture, the terrorist are allowed, nay, essentially by Law, permitted / compelled it seems, to wander freely amongst the Public still promoting and spouting their evil and vile threats - yet seriously treated as ‘Untouchable’ -such is the mentality of our ‘Political Management’and Justice system.

War against the terrorists? - seems more like a Political ‘recruiting campaign’ - for a failed terrorists Rest Home - perhaps some politico has mis-unders
29

Alberto.,

22/06/2008 14:45:43
Alberto 22/06 @ 14.38. Cont'd.....

War against the terrorists? - seems more like a Political ‘recruiting campaign’ - for a failed terrorists Rest Home - perhaps some politico has mis-understood the call for greater immigrant numbers!
30

Gere,

Scotland 22/06/2008 15:16:23
I invite all posters who are concerned about the terrorist threat to investigate its origins. A good place to start is at the Official British Government Website of the information regarding MI5 is posted for all to read;
http://www.mi5.gov.uk/print/Page337.html

On 22ndJuly1946 the King David Hotel in Jerusalem was bombed by the Jewish terrorist organisation, Irgun. This was one of many Jewish terrorist organisations that operated in Palestine at the time. They murdered British soldiers as well as Palestinians. Begin, a future Israeli Prime Minister was the head of the Irgun when it murdered some 91 people by bombing the King David Hotel, there were many Britsh dead.

Israel was founded on terror, murder and the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people so Israel could be founded on their ethnically claensed land. It might be useful if you also referred to the Jewish terrorist massacre of Arab women and children in 1948 at the Palestinian village of Deir Yassin by Jewish terrorists. This actrocity was even reported in the New York Times recording a figure of between 150 and 200 victims.

The problem of terrorism was introduced to Muslim Palestinian lands by the Jewish settlers.

The rest of the world has since had to suffer the scourge of international terrorism ever since, thanks to the founding and recognition of the terrorist State of Israel!
31

an interested party,

22/06/2008 15:28:57
4 million

we spend more than that on kiddies asbo's ffs

bound to solve the problem (if of course there is a problem)

terrorism noun, the systematic and organized use of violence and intimidation to force a government or community, etc to act in a certain way or accept certain demands. terrorist noun, adj.

doesnt sound like Israel at all

32

Gere,

Scotland 22/06/2008 15:36:08
Post 38 continued

The authorities in Britain have failed to recognise the anti-white race hate component of terrorism in this country.

With each new generation of the so-called "Minority" groups the inborn hatred of the white skin grows ever stronger. Their parents were content to express their hatred of the white skinned indigenous people of this land that they were intent on colonising by the continued use of the powerful words of conquest: Racist, Bigot, equal opportunity and diversity!

Successive British Governments ensured that the indigenous British Whites were increasingly denied any lawful means to protest the constructive genocide that was being perpetrated on them. In less than 5years Leicester will have a non-white majority, Birmignham will have a white hating Muslim majority in 10 years.

The present "terrorism" we are experiencing is actually the begining of the logical conclusion of the policy of constructive genocide, it is a war of final extermination.

Remember successive British Governments have ensured the success of the eventual reduction of the British White population to that of a despised minority group.
33

Gere,

22/06/2008 15:47:43
Post #39

Please examine the MI5 files I directed everyone to in my Post # 38 regarding the Jewish settler terrorist activities that included the murder of British soldiers representing the Lawful Authority in Palestine at the time. Britain was charged with the Palestinian Mandate by the Lawful International Body at the time!

The Jewish terrorists were in effect attempting to force the British Government to withdraw from its governing role in Palestine.

Why is this history being censored in British schools?

British troops were murdered by the Jewish settler terror organisations, that is verifiable historical fact!

Why is it being hidden from public scruiteny???

Without this knowledge, the understanding and successful combating of present day terrorism is going to prove ineffectual!!!!
34

Gere,

Scotland 22/06/2008 16:00:51
Post# 41

Apologies, substitute scrutiny for "scruiteny" in my post #41
35

puskas,

East kilbride 22/06/2008 18:51:40
Simple and factual. History tells the truth that Israel was built by terrorist jewish forces.

Many arab villages were exterminated in a way similar to the Nazis when they were advancing into the Soviet Union during the 2nd World War...
Mass graves of Palestine arabs. Gallows with kids, mothers , grandmothers and male adults all hanging by the neck. Villages with up to 2,000 arabs in mass graves. Yes some of us can remember history as it was.

The British Government withdrew our troops from what was called British Palestine. This allowed the Jewish terrorists freedom to do their ill deeds as they wished..
36

lulach mac gille coemgain,

22/06/2008 19:18:00
Are there really that many folk oot there afraid o a few mad rag-heids jumpin up an doon bumpin ther gums aboot a stupid damnation to yin religion or the other - really! calm down dears - it’s only a minute statistic that’s led to a wastin’ o public money - that didn’t even pay fer the likes o smeato - who is as guid a line o defence as a £3.8m spend !
37

Cauchy Riemann,

Wales 22/06/2008 23:30:03
AM2 just to take Devils advocate here.

"On Shari’a Law, would you then agree that seeking to establish such a system (either directly or through working to rebuild the Islamic Khalifah) is an inherently "anti-democratic" activity?"

Presumably if a majority of a population wanted Sharia then it wouldn't be undemocratic.

Secondly, is desiring a change in law to position X by non violent means and without intimidation "inherently anti-democratic" as you claim? I would have thought not.

It is certainly true that Sharia is against current Western values, but 'democracy' itself is a separate issue from values held by society today. For instance values held 100 yrs ago are vastly different from today .

Personally I feel people have a perfect right to want an Islamist society. Why should your opinion & democratic tuppence be worth more than theirs? They too are British citizens.

Of course Sharia is nonsense. But then so is the society created by the leftish lunatic PC brigade. If these idiots can have a go at ruining us, then it is only fair to let other idiots have their turn as well.
38

Cauchy Riemann,

Wales 22/06/2008 23:36:45
Gere you are simply ignorant. Your position is that the cause of Islamic terrorism is Israel.

The first instances of Islamic terrorism go back to Mohammed.

If terrorism was all linked to Israel then I'm puzzled by all these Islamic groups that have committed terror acts against Muslim governments because they have been too secular, not fundamentalist enough, etc.

Quite frankly you are merely a brainwashed voice for Islamism.
39

Cauchy Riemann,

Wales 23/06/2008 09:07:29
Homosexuality was illegal a few decades ago - are you saying that society wasn't democratic then?

>>I basically mean “liberal democracy”, in which the wishes of the majority are constrained by the civil rights of minorities. <<

I would suggest to you that a 'liberal' democracy where people concentrate on the rights of minorities is a modern construct and is a subset of democracy - not democracy as such. You inherently define democracy with the baggage of modern human rights.

You are free to define democracy in whatever way you wish - but the danger of your limited definition is that 'liberal parameters' become the be all and end all. So someone suggesting the cane be brought back into schools would be labelled 'anti-democratic' because he broke some rules of the liberal parameters.

Parameters in a democracy are to be decided democratically and therefore change.

>>Or if a majority wanted to abandon democracy altogether, and replace it with religious rule, would that be “democratic”?<<

Kind of like the self referencing statement: "This statement is a lie".
40

moon glorious 1874,

23/06/2008 11:27:18
we should spend it on a war on religion! not religious wars! stop beleiving the lies!
41

SILVANA,

glasgow 23/06/2008 12:26:35
>ALBERTO

THANKS FOR A BIT OF SENSE GRAZIE MILLE!!!
42

Gere,

Scotland 23/06/2008 16:35:36
Post #46
Cauchy Reimann

You need to develop the skill to read with comprehension.

Visit the MI5 site I referred to in my post #38. The Muslims are reacting in kind to incidents history and MI5 recorded were perpetrated against them by Jewish terrorists in Palestine. Before the Jewish terrorists began to ehtnically cleanse Palestine of its indigenous Muslim population the West was never troubled by Muslim suicide bombers, they were content to practice their barbaric religion on their own adherents in their own countries.

I note that you make referrence to Democracy. I hope you are aware that Democracy was developed by a man called Pericles Circa 400 BC at Athens in classical times. Democracy is a gift to the world from tolerant Pagan Europe.

Those who worship intolerant Asian Gods such as Christians, Jews and Muslims do are inherently anti-democratic. It took nearly 2,000 years before Europeans reclaimed their ancient customs of allowing freedom of intellectual enquiry and freedom of speech!

They were, to their credit, finally able to overcome the restrictions of the oppressive christian church who ironically also advocated the worship of the same intolerant Asian God as the Jews and their Muslim Arab brothers.

43

MacRae_Warrior,

23/06/2008 18:44:21
"Before the Jewish terrorists began to ehtnically cleanse Palestine of its indigenous Muslim population the West was never troubled by Muslim suicide bombers"

No, only by power-hungry mullahs killing their people in the Holy Land during the Crusades.

Not much of a difference there, really.
44

MacRae_Warrior,

23/06/2008 22:07:18
Not to mention Islamic invasions of Spain and Greece as well.
45

Cauchy Riemann,

Wales 24/06/2008 15:30:02
#52 - Be a good chap & take your medication.

 

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