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Published Date: 09 November 2008
TRADITIONALISTS will want to sharpen their claymores and prepare for battle after a radical new BBC examination of Scotland's history puts many long-established beliefs to the sword.
The controversial £2m flagship series, fronted by archaeologist Neil Oliver, claims to have evidence to prove that:

• St Columba was an "opportunist" whose claim of bringing Christianity to Scotland was dubious.

• Kenneth MacAlpin was
not, as generations of schoolchildren have been taught, the first king of Scotland.

• Picts were tattooed with images of animals, rather than smeared with the blue face paint of popular culture.

• The heroic Caledonian leader Calgacus almost never certainly uttered the phrase: "They make a desert and call it peace."

Scotland's History begins tonight. Oliver said: "I want to dispel the myths that have cursed Scotland's past and uncover the real characters and events that have shaped its history."

The first episode examines the events which brought Scotland together as a nation, including the arrival of Christianity.

It is widely held that St Columba established the faith which he brought with him from Ireland, but Oliver asks: "Was it really that simple?"

He claims that nearly all that is known about Columba comes from Vita Sancti Columbae, a story about his life, written 100 years after his death by Adomnan, an abbot of Iona.

"His book is more fairytale than history and has to be taken with a very large pinch of salt.

"The Gaels in Scotland were Christian long before Columba arrived and the hard graft had been done by numerous missionaries who had travelled from Ireland and from the Roman Empire."

Oliver also argues that Constantine I, and not his father, was the first true monarch of Scotland, who brought together the Pictish and Gaelic kingdoms.

He said: "The idea that Kenneth MacAlpin is the first king of Scotland is a myth that had persisted for centuries and it is one that I was taught as a wee lad at school.

"The historical records tell a different story. At the time of Ken MacAlpin Scotland did not exist and it remained a mixture of different peoples.

"The records clearly show that he was the king of Pictland not Scotland."

The broadcaster also took issue with the suggestion that the Picts covered themselves in blue woad before battle, an image that was used, ludicrously, in the Hollywood blockbuster Braveheart.

He states: "The Picts tattooed themselves with the same designs and symbols used in their jewellery and stones."

But Dr Clare Downham of Aberdeen University took issue with some aspects of the claims contained in the show.

The expert in medieval history said: "I think the BBC are trying their best to be contentious here.

"I would half agree with some of their assertions, but not the entire package."

But Dr James Fraser of Edinburgh University gave his support to the ideas presented in the broadcast.

"The kind of thing that Neil Oliver is saying is more or less in line with the views that have been taken recently by professional scholars."

TV row

The series created controversy long before it hit TV screens.

Professor Allan Macinnes of Strathclyde University resigned from its advisory board, saying it was flawed and "Anglocentric".

"I thought the whole production was dreadful," said the Scottish history expert. "It was written on the basis that Scotland was a divided country until the union with England came along and civilised it. It was just nonsense."



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  • Last Updated: 08 November 2008 8:43 PM
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1

Edward,

09/11/2008 00:18:43
Nothing should surprise us about what comes out of the BBC. This series should be taken with a very large pinch of salt. Neil Oliver is a well know unionist
2

JG,

Fife 09/11/2008 00:53:07
Oh well Edward, anything he says must be a lie then. Everyone knows that 'Braveheart' is actually a documentary (despite the fact that Wallace and Bruce never actually met!) and we should defer all matters Scottish, past and present, to the SNP! Only they know the truth, eh?
3

Proud to have Scots blood,

Brooklyn, N.Y. 09/11/2008 01:15:23
I liked the part in "Braveheart" when the laddies painted their faces blue...........I have always liked to eye line my eyes in blue, I never knew why til I saw the blue faces of Britain going into battle. Must
be something in the genes.
4

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09/11/2008 01:16:25
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Andy Mac,

Kuwait of the North 09/11/2008 01:24:30
JG, what are you up to with that bizzare post, freaking out at #1, a note of objection to the BBC?

The article was about the BBC's controversial "debunking" of Scottish history. What do you think of that? Have you thought of that? Your braveheart jibe seems premature.

I found the article inaccurate: you can come out of Scottish secondary with a top mark in history without ever hearing of Kenneth MacAlpin, St Columba or Calgacus - it's suggested here that Sottish history is actually taught.

A BBC attempt to "put the record straight" smells political.

6

Guga II,

Rockall 09/11/2008 02:20:24
It was St. Ninian, a Galway Pict, who brought Christianity to Scotland in 397. This was long before Columba was thrown out of Ireland for being a troublemaker.

As for the first king of the Picts and the Dalriadan Scots, that was Angus Mac Fergus, i.e. Angus I (729-761), who conquered Dalriada in 736, stormed and seized Dun-Add the Dalriadan fortified capital and, thereafter the "kings" of Dalriada were entitled Ardfhlaith (high chief) and were subject to the Ard Righ of the Picts. Angus became Ri Alban (King of Scotland).

7

Guga II,

Rockall 09/11/2008 02:21:26
Sorry, that should have read "St. Ninian, a Galloway Pict", not a Galway Pict.
8

Guga II,

Rockall 09/11/2008 02:28:48
Incidentally, Constantine MacFergus, i.e. Constantine I, reigned from 789-820.
9

Samcafe,

Glasgow 09/11/2008 06:06:20
Guga, all you say sounds fascinating but do you have great hair like Neil?
10

Guga II,

Rockall 09/11/2008 06:14:47
#9.

How did you know?
11

Stephen101,

Edinburgh 09/11/2008 07:21:17
and hopefully the programme will expose the nonsense stories about William Wallace. All fae Blind Willie, and that's it.

Mel Gibson did more for Scotland than Wallace.
12

Chaplin,

09/11/2008 07:42:47
I for one am looking forward to watching.
The shortbread tin view held by many Scots about their own history is pitiful at best.
It does seem strange that the shows presenter is ridiculed because he wants to blow some of the myths surrounding our history, perhaps many would prefer if he added more tartan tat than told the truth
13

eric,

09/11/2008 08:37:12
How would the English feel if Scottish tv does a docu smashing english myths .that England didnt win war on its own and it was actually the usa and russia.also that football started in Scotland 200 yrs before England,coming home eh.
14

eric,

09/11/2008 08:49:37
ussr,and then little britain,not to mention we were digging coal out from norh sea in 1600s,industrial revolution,mmm
15

Boy Wonder,

09/11/2008 09:05:05
Not looking forward to this series. There has never been a decent historical view of Scotland on TV for as long as I can remember ... and history is one of my fave subjects! Too much "opinions" given and not enough "fact"!
16

Roy,

09/11/2008 09:10:37
Why is the series being fronted by an archaeologist? Would no historian take it on?
17

Anne,

Eaglesham 09/11/2008 09:14:47
We've seen how the English react to anyone questioning their version of history.

Look at the row taking place down south over the French version of agincourt, revising the actual numbers who took part and the "war crimes" of the English army!
18

Pilrig.,

Livingston 09/11/2008 09:33:14
What's new in the 'controversial' claims ? They've been discussed for years. Maybe new to the likes of Peter Peacock or anyone who has had to rely on what's taught as history at school for their country's story, maybe.
19

Selgovae,

09/11/2008 09:36:07
#6 Guga

"It was St. Ninian, a Galway Pict, who brought Christianity to Scotland in 397."

Surely it's statements of certainty like that that create myths. Where did Ninian learn his Christianity? From Romans who lived in the area, or did he travel abroad and bring it back? History, especially that far back, can only be full of doubts and maybes. Also, to describe him as a Pict opens up a whole other can of worms. British tribes of Southern Scotland were sometimes described as Picts (by Bede for example), but more usually the term was used for tribes north of the Forth.
20

Pilrig.,

Livingston 09/11/2008 09:37:23
This series is flawed before it's even broadcast, as it ignores the first 8,000 years of this country. As far this programme's makers are concerned, this land was nothing until the Romans arrived.
21

Pilrig.,

Livingston 09/11/2008 09:49:22
12 - the shortbread tin version of Scottish history existed and maybe still exists because the 'Scottish' educational establishment regarded Scottish history as not being worthy of study, and precious school hours should not be wasted on the learning of it. Add to that the situation that a number of the teachers concerned would have the same minimal amount of knowledge on the subject as their pupils.
We only need to remember the attitude of the former Labour education secretary, Peter Peacock who regarded history as being of an irrelevance to students and pupils.
A similar attitude exists amongst bigots regarding the teachin of Gaelic.
22

Pilrig.,

Livingston 09/11/2008 09:51:04
21 in other words the Michael Fry brand of 'history'.
23

Pilrig.,

Livingston 09/11/2008 09:52:35
21 - 'large number of Scots' - you mean the gentry.
24

lachlan,

09/11/2008 10:02:28
#17 got to agree.english history is rarely questioned.especially how they saved the scots from themselves.
25

JG,

Fife 09/11/2008 10:29:20
#5 Andy Mac
Of course I've thought about what the contents of this programme will be! I also don't have an automatic dismissal of what I watch, just because it's on the BBC. I was also taught Scottish history when I was at school and I still enjoy historical programmes/books now. Many people DO look on Braveheart as being historically accurate when the only true bits are that Edward I was the 'Hammer of the Scots', Wallace and Bruce existed and Wallace was executed for 'treason'. Wallace didn't paint himself blue before a battle and didn't have nookie with thon queen. It's like everything else - watch the programme if you want to and believe what this guy says - or not. It's up to you!
26

Pilrig.,

Livingston 09/11/2008 10:42:34
I suspect that example of the Scottish history 'lesson' you give didn't extend much beyond Bannockburn. Such was the situation in the Embra school I went to. If you REALLY want to learn about Scottish history, forget tv progs. Go to a library (eg Central Edinburgh) which has a good Scottish department.
27

JoeMiddleton,

Edinburgh 09/11/2008 11:59:35
Will the BBC try to undermine myths or create new inaccurate ones? I have to say if this is the early 'fruits' then it appears that the BBC want to destroy any proper understanding of our history by pretending every known fact is historically dubious.

What's the agenda in undermining our history and our sense of self? Maybe it helps keep that lovely union in place which of course all Scots welcomed with open arms. Er...
28

JoeMiddleton,

Edinburgh 09/11/2008 12:02:50
The series created controversy long before it hit TV screens.

Professor Allan Macinnes of Strathclyde University resigned from its advisory board, saying it was flawed and "Anglocentric".

"I thought the whole production was dreadful," said the Scottish history expert. "It was written on the basis that Scotland was a divided country until the union with England came along and civilised it. It was just nonsense."

What a shock eh!
29

Martyk,

09/11/2008 13:21:20
Wasnt Braveheart made in Ireland?
30

Budgie,

Renfrew 09/11/2008 13:58:57
Historical fact would be a great thing. One fact is certain though, and that is; the Oliver camp and those of differing beliefs will hold fast to them.
Another fact is that, irrespective of what version is nearest the truth, each version will still be a good story.
31

wayne bijlyeerheid,

09/11/2008 14:41:44
Isn't the BBC wonderful?
Can you see the Spanish, German or French state broadcasting systems going to the trouble of letting say, Castillians comment critically on the history of Catalonia, Bavarians on Prussia or Région parisiennes on Bretons?
No, of course not, it would be considered an abuse of power and an exercise in naked chauvinism.
Do you think there will be an equivalent BBC programme on English history?
How anglo-saxon "England" was ruled more often by Scandinavian rulers than "English".
The fact that William the B*stard and Harold were not fighting for the crown of England but the Scandinavian right to rule the English.
Pointing out the fact since the country was conquered in 1066 not one drop of Anglo-Saxon blood (as opposed to, Welsh, Scots, and German) has been allowed to taint the Norman royal line?
Perhaps we could hear about the Massacre of Berwick(there's a 1,000lb elephant in the room), but I doubt if we would from the English Supremicist network.
32

nvlawyer,

U.S. 09/11/2008 15:45:17
Scholarly research? or an attempt at again discounting Scottish culture and heritage in favor of the more enlightened and sophisticated English Court.

Let's not be blind to England's attempts at discounting any Scottish culture pre-union. Of course, after the union was formed by England, all was perfect and the birds started to sing in the trees.

Revisionist history always gets the TV spots!
33

Conan the Librarian™,

09/11/2008 17:08:16
27
The parts that draw diagrams of Agincourt perhaps sm753?
34

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 09/11/2008 20:44:46
One of the benefits of the union is that every so often the "establishment" destabilises Scotland.

Icons are not allowed in a subdued culture and have to be destroyed. Keep kicking over the building blocks.

If it's not our national records (more than once) it's our industries or our history.

Scotland's history seems to be a propaganda tool, used from outwith Scotland, as a part of this subjugation.

Scottish history seems flit from one shortbread tin to another every few years. Wonder why?
35

Fi,

Uncomfortable fact 09/11/2008 21:32:18
I was born, raised and educated in Scotland. Yet I don't know what the blithering heck you are all talking about. My education never stretched to "real" history, but merely to the bare bones the syllabus dictated...

We're a bunch of looser sheep herds, with aspirations beyond our means.

Those of us intelligent enough to realise this usually find work that leads us abroad, hence our "enthusiasm" for travel.

Oh, or fishing. We can just about manage that.
36

Selgovae,

09/11/2008 22:06:42
#41 "Beautifully shot and scored"

You certainly don't get music like that when reading a book. But I have to wonder if Neil Oliver speaks like that all the time.

"And it's not just eggs I want. There's bread too. And that's just the beginning, for there's things from distant shelves on my shopping list too."

But I agree there was nothing "anglocentric" in the content. (But he didn't mention how the Britons disappeared from Scotland. Perhaps next week.)
37

Pilrig.,

Livingston 09/11/2008 23:08:48
35 anyone can do any history of any country - nae probs !

BTW I watched the prog tonight. Very good camera work but the content was rather superficial, with a Fancy-Dan presenter. And we could have done withoot the Bravehearty music.
I thought the scenes about Constantine quite interesting but then again the builders of Skara Brae, Callanish and Cairnpapple, not to mention one of the country's most influential religious figures - St Kentigern/Mungo , were conspicuous by there absence in this prog .

I doubt I'll be buying the dvd.
38

Pilrig.,

Livingston 09/11/2008 23:11:11
40 - a product of oor wonderful education system ...
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 09/11/2008 23:18:45
42 - the Vikings booted their r -sez at Dumbarton Rock : )

Seriously, the Britons never disappeared from Scotland, any more than the so-called Picts did. Their genes live on through their Scottish descendants - DNA research has proven that - all that has changed is society and culture and language - the genetics remain the same.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 09/11/2008 23:32:38
smee@39.

"If it's good enough for Henry VIII, Churchill and Montgomery, then it's good enough for our Scottish icons and myths."

There you go again. Why does everything with you have to refer to some other country?

Where are your testes?
41

Selgovae,

09/11/2008 23:45:25
#45 "the Britons never disappeared from Scotland"

I agree. But they disappeared from the map in the prog once or twice. I thought it was worth an explanation.
42

Douglas,

Bathgate 10/11/2008 00:32:48
The programme was fine. Come out of Wikikpedia and relax.
43

ClareDownham,

Aberdeen 10/11/2008 14:05:59
I think it's good that history is debated, that challenges the risk that a dogma is created out of it that can be misused. I should add that my comments above related only to the stuff about St Columba. I did not have chance to see the programme, but James Fraser is correct in that the other matters regarding the creation of Alba and Calgacus are accepted by many. Macinnes's comments are worrying, but we'll just have to wait and see what the rest of the series is like. If you want to know more about early Scottish history and/or to question the people who are developing the current opinions please come to the free and public event 'Cultural Icons of Medieval Scotland' which will take place in Aberdeen next summer http://www.abdn.ac.uk/celtic/Deerconfdetail.pdf
History should NOT, after all, not be the preserve of academics
44

ClareDownham,

10/11/2008 14:08:05
History should not be the preserve of academic

oops - said 'not' twice - I feel very passionately about that, that's may be why I wrote it twice!
45

Alex Woolf,

Kettlebridge, Fife 10/11/2008 19:39:35
It is interesting how many of the comments above focus upon Neil Oliver and his supposed agenda. Oliver didn't write the script, he was effctively just an actor and did not control or influence the content.

It is true that very little of the narrative of the first programme dealt with the area south of the Forth, so no Ninian and precious few Britons, but this is an example of the problem of trying to tell a national history of the period ebfroe the nation came into being - it isn't a unified story and to do it properly one would need a whole series on the period covered by the first programme.
46

Pilrig.,

Livingston 10/11/2008 19:57:57
51 - there was a series a couple of years back - on the other channel "Before Scotland" by Alastair Moffat, an excellent writer and broadcaster.
47

Steve Beat,

Yorkshire 05/01/2009 12:41:48
What a hoo-ha, and it all still doesn't take into consideration the cultural differences regarding how a Celtic culture does not make such clear distinctions between 'myth' and 'history' (that is an Anglo-Saxon thing).

Additionally, people really do need to understand the difference between 'myth' and legend, and the use of allegory in a principally oratory based cultural 'history' such as the Celtic system.

Our system is less troubled by any distinction between legend and empirical chronology, because our stories are used to define our identity, those principals which we believe in and morals with which we can conduct our present day and our future...

For example, we all *know* the tale of Robert the Bruce and the spider IS a legend, but it is part of our history as it imparts a very important cultural trait that helped us retain our independence from England.

And while many will argue that this pseudo-history has no place in today's academic driven cultural remembering, let us not forget that hardly any two academics can agree on ANY detail - and are, in fact, constantly redefining 'facts'. Therefore our Celtic pseudo-history is actually just as pertinent, as it at least serves more social purpose and relevancy to the vast majority of Scots than any continually revised list of dates and who really did what.

What can dates say about a people?
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