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Published Date:
19 November 2006
FUNDAMENTAL changes in the way racist and sectarian abuse is dealt with by the Scottish Football Association are to be introduced after a Scotland on Sunday investigation exposed flaws in the system.
Chief executive David Taylor wanted to act quickly after the SFA came in for stinging criticism - and was condemned in a parliamentary motion - when we revealed last week how an investigation of racist abuse by a player in the East of Scotland League
ruled the case was "not proven" without the complainant being invited to give evidence.

In an exclusive interview with Scotland on Sunday, Taylor revealed that he now hopes to have new measures in place for similar cases by the end of the year. The move follows the profile given in this newspaper to the governing body's handling of Spartans player Dan Gerrard's complaint that he was called a "black bastard" by Whitehill Welfare's Wayne McIntosh.

Taylor has admitted the procedures applied following the incident in an East of Scotland League game on August 6 are "not good enough to investigate properly and deal with the difficult cases of racist remarks on football pitches".

Gerrard, speaking in this newspaper last week, expressed dismay that a "could not be proved" verdict was the outcome of a disciplinary committee hearing that neither he nor McIntosh were able to attend. He labelled the governing body's procedures "not fit for purpose" after the committee did not speak to any party involved, including a Spartans player named as a witness and a Whitehill Welfare management team member who encouraged McIntosh to apologise to Gerrard on the day of the match. Only written submissions from the two clubs were considered - the practice in such cases. Subsequent to the adjudication, an appeal by Spartans failed on the grounds there was no mechanism for this. The inaction only served to confirm Gerrard's fears that the SFA were not equipped to deal with such a complaint.

As a result of his speaking out in this newspaper last week, MSP Margo MacDonald tabled a motion to the Scottish Parliament condemning the SFA for "failure to honour the standards set by UEFA to combat racism in football by its inept and unfair dismissal of the charge of racism levelled against Wayne McIntosh". Yet Taylor, having "looked at the papers" detailing the case, has concluded "we will have to stand by the decision of the disciplinary committee" after "no flaws in terms of the existing procedures" were shown up by the not proven verdict.

The chief executive believes the issue has now moved on. "The nub of the problem is proof," said Taylor. He maintains that a letter the SFA received from McIntosh, in which he "vehemently denied" directing a racist comment towards Gerrard, and written submissions from Whitehill stating "foul and abusive language" was the motive for asking the player to apologise to Gerrard, means the disciplinary committee acted with the "best intentions".

"This is not the way these cases should be handled," Taylor conceded. "It is wrong, in my view. We are going to review it and I am going to review it personally. I have become more involved in this case than maybe I would have expected but we require improved policies and processes that set out very clearly how complaints can be made and dealt with.

"Not just administratively, but by the committee. The committee has to be persuaded and agree in future they will act differently. That would mean in this type of case, even if there are postponements, even if there are delays, we need to get the parties to be able to be cross-examined. At the meeting preferably, but alternatively through some form of investigation carried out by a security adviser or someone else.

"We have to take these next steps to create a more transparent procedure. I will personally be attending the next disciplinary meeting on December 13 to put forward these proposals. Over the next six weeks I will also be writing to all clubs, both to make them aware that racist and sectarian language is not acceptable on a football field and also to inform them of our procedural review which will be a two-stage process.

"Quite a lot will come out of this case and I welcome racism being profiled and being up the agenda. I cannot see why we cannot get changes to the disciplinary procedures to deal with racism and sectarianism in place directly. Then we must also look at new offences in Scottish football that might carry a tariff or a penalty. That might need to be introduced at the end of the season because you cannot change the penalty points system midway through."

The new directives Taylor is determined to introduce will merely bring the SFA into line with UEFA. He does not accept that his association have failed Gerrard in only now adopting policies on cases of racist abuse that their European counterparts introduced four years ago. "Clearly, from the player's and Spartans' point of view, they haven't had this dealt with as they would like. I accept that, though that is not to make a comment on whether their allegation was right or wrong. We cannot interfere with the decision of the committee but we can give confidence these matters will be treated seriously.

"In any future instances, it will not be a question of 'oh, the SFA will just not do anything'. No, a recognised mechanism will be in place to give them special attention and that is some comfort to Dan Gerrard or others who might face such a situation. We accept the current procedures are designed for other forms of misconduct. Racist and sectarian abuse are treated under the general provisions of 'significantly serious misconduct'. That applies more to tackles and off the ball incidents, where there tends to be video evidence.

"These matters need to be dealt with in a different way. Now, the proof of the pudding is in the eating, so some will say 'let's see a racism or sectarian case come right through and a player or official be suspended before judging the new system'. I take that point."

It is the point that Dan Gerrard would make.

Being the catalyst for significant rule changes gives him little satisfaction when these will not bring about the "rightful" outcome following the racist abuse he suffered 106 days ago. "I am glad it has now been established that the SFA's disciplinary procedures are faulty," he said. "But it doesn't do anything for my case and on reflection even the procedures that were in place should have been equipped to deal with what happened.

"In a letter from the SFA, my club was assured McIntosh had 'a case to answer' and that my evidence was 'very important'. Yet he answered no case and my evidence was never heard. Before the hearing we were not told by the SFA that Whitehill Welfare had performed a 180-degree turn in denying McIntosh had made any racist comment after they had accepted that on the day by bringing him to apologise to me. As I did in this newspaper last Sunday, I again want to place on record: McIntosh is a racist and a liar. The fact he has made no public response to me stating that a week ago speaks volumes."

WHY SOMETHING HAD TO BE DONE


LAST week we reported for the second time on the case of Dan Gerrard, a black player whose allegation of racial abuse against an opponent was kicked into touch by the Scottish Football Association.

Not only was he denied a hearing, but when he tried to appeal the decision, he was rebuffed for a second time.

The SFA's decision to find the case "not proven" provoked a stream of outraged correspondence in letters and to the comment section on our website. Mike Doyle from Milton Keynes was typical. "Being a proud Scot," he wrote, "every week I pass this paper onto colleagues at work. I'm afraid I will be making an excuse on this occasion because I feel I have nothing to be proud about."

His view was echoed elsewhere. Margo MacDonald's motion to Parliament, calling for the SFA to be censured for its inept handling of the case, certainly concentrated minds at Hampden in a way in which they had not appeared to have been previously focused.

But credit where it is due. This week David Taylor, the head of the SFA, went out of his way to make amends. He argued - wrongly in our view, but sustainably - that the SFA's bylaws made it impossible to go back on the decision to clear Wayne McIntosh, the player accused of abusing Gerrard.

Yet Taylor did the right thing by acknowledging that the SFA's protocols are no longer adequate to deal with a problem which, along with scourge of sectarianism, is rightly the focus of increasing international attention.

Gerrard failed to get a fair hearing, but while this paper's campaign has not helped to bring about a resolution to his personal crusade, it has ensured that those who turn to the governing body for redress in future can be confident that they will be taken seriously.

It may have been too late, but it wasn't too little.

Richard Bath, Sports Editor



The full article contains 1572 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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1

the boxerman,

30 degrees under Celsius in Canada. 19/11/2006 02:14:51

Thank goodness. Lets get this sorted. I can tell you that the stuff that happens at Scottish football games would not be tolerated in this part of the world.

Until about a year ago, Rangers fans continued to make monkey noises at Bobo Balde and Didier Agathe. Only when Rangers got a black player of their own did this nonsense stop. Last week Evander Sno suffered it at the hands of St Mirren fans.

Celtic fans have sung songs about their soon being no protestants in Scotland. Neil Lennon is abused at every stadium in Scotland for sectarian reasons even though no one outside of Celtic has the cojones to admit it.

This is all nonsense and has to be stopped. Hopefully more sooner than later. People have to grow up and that includes fans of all teams.

Points should be deducted from offending teams. It is the only way some of the morons will learn.

2

Don,

Edinburgh 19/11/2006 02:28:49

No credit is due to the S.F.A whatsoever in this matter.
If you had not brought this into the public domain and shamed them; the S.F.A. would have done S.F.A..
Some of Mr. Taylors comments above sound like the usual utter tripe we have come to expect from this Association.
David Taylor and HIS disciplinary board have shown they are unfit to hold their positions, and should be dismissed/removed immediately.

3

stevek28,

Philadelphia/Prestwick 19/11/2006 03:48:34

At the enter of these racist attacks is the Protestant vs Catholic sectarianism which is rampant in Scotland. If young white Scots can't live peacefully with other white Scots and are taught to hate their countrymen because of their religion, how will they every accept a person of a different color

4

the boxerman,

30 degrees under Celsius in Canada. 19/11/2006 04:05:47

The actuality Stevek, is that they live peacefully side by side most of the week. The problem is when they put on their football scarves. They think that gives them immunity and they turn into weekend bigots.

It might be a minority of fans, but they have to be taught that it is not on. The SFA has to get in gear with the 20th century. If they dont UEFA will step in and rightly so.

5

Encephalon,

19/11/2006 04:50:29

#1 "Until about a year ago, Rangers fans continued to make monkey noises at Bobo Balde and Didier Agathe. Only when Rangers got a black player of their own did this nonsense stop"


Boxerman get your facts right- Mark Walters of Rangers was the first player to suffer rascist abuse -and it was Celtic fans who disgraced themselves by throwing bananas and making monkey noises at Mark at Celtic Park almost two decades ago.

Neil Lennon is booed at every ground because he is a shit-stirrer who enjoys winding-up the other team's fans and he does like to play the victim-maybe deep down he just wants to be loved.

The stuff at Scottish games may be unsavoury at times what with the IRA/orange songs, but in terms of rascism we are much better than Spain, Italy and all of Eastern Europe. Personally I am glad to say that I have not heard any rascist chants at any UK ground for a number of years-but this suits politicians who are trying to make an issue out of a problem that does not really exist.

Keep it real!

6

Doubly-negative,

19/11/2006 05:33:43

I agree with number 5 that our game is not as racist as some other European countries, and that politicians are jumping on the bandwagon for their own ends (when do they ever do anything other than that?), but to say the problem 'doesn't really exist' flies in the face of the whole story!

I'm sure Gerrard would disagree that there was no problem, having been called racist names during a game of football, then hung out to dry on reporting it. Any racist or sectarian behaviour should see offenders punished (including the moronic songs of the two Ugly Sisters in Glasgow, which of course are sectarian and disgusting, but are allowed to continue perhaps because the SFA has no cojones, or are OF supporters themselves). How can we say, hey we're better than other countries, but the governing body sweeps a racist remark under the carpet and refuses to even hear the evidence of it?

The real worry, for me, is Taylor:

- "Taylor has admitted the procedures applied following the incident in an East of Scotland League game on August 6 are "not good enough to investigate properly and deal with the difficult cases of racist remarks on football pitches".

but then again...

- "Yet Taylor, having "looked at the papers" detailing the case, has concluded "we will have to stand by the decision of the disciplinary committee" after "no flaws in terms of the existing procedures" were shown up by the not proven verdict."

Huh? Did I miss something here? Or is the fool completely contradicting himself? Get a grip you trumped up little politician. Can't he just say the procedures were wrong and the SFA mistaken? He'd get a lot more respect for being honest.

7

Carronbear,

New Zealand 19/11/2006 08:46:15

Boxerman from Canada. How can you say their was racist abuse from Rangers fans to Balde etc.
At least I was there last season at ALL Rangers games and I never heard this.
You are represenattive of all that is wrong in this debate shifting the blame. Look to your own supporters first and remember how they abused Mark Walters.
Get your own house in order and we will do the same. Green tinted glasses, myopic in extreme

8

Big-Red,

Aberdeen 19/11/2006 08:47:35

Taylor is an utter coward and an idiot.
The SFA stood back for a century and allowed sectarianism to flourish in our game, without doing a thing about it as it would have angered the Old Firm. It took a UEFA directive for the SFA start hopping around as if it was their idea to tackle bigotry.
This is just as bad. What a bunch of crawling, useless fools we have running our game.

9

Big-Red,

Aberdeen 19/11/2006 08:49:25

# 7.
Get a grip. If you want to start the 'it's no our fault it's yours' game, then away to Follow Follow with the rest of the apologists and let the rest of us discuss the grown up issues that affect Scottish football.

10

FOOTBALLAGAINSTRACISMEUROPE,

RESPECTVILLE 19/11/2006 09:13:41

With all due respect and as much as racism and anti-Semitism is a problem in Spain,Italy and in parts of Eastern Europe there is no individual club whose supporters have persisted in outward displays of religious or racial intolerance as for a protracted period as much as the supporters of Rangers FC.The problem we have encountered in these nations is invariably the despicable conduct of hundreds of so-called fans expressing anti-Jewish sentiment or anti-Black racism.It is also true that as reprehensible as it is it is not something replicated at every match.This is in stark contrast to Rangers FC where until the end of 2005/06 songs and chants which are motivated by anti-Catholicism were being expressed by thousands at almost every match involving the club.Thankfully now things do seem to be improving as hopefuuly the thousands of decent Rangers fans feel empowered to challenge the bigots and racists in their midst.

11

iang,

19/11/2006 09:50:47

how can a discussion on alleged racist comments made by a footballer in scottish junior football end up with old-firm mud slinging?

there is racism in football in scotland but it is not a big problem afaik, even the issues surrounding sectariaism is not that big an issue in comparison to many other countries in europe. Average arrests at Parkhead or Ibrox, even with the new anti-sectarian laws which do get enforced, are around the 25-35 arrests mark. With 50 or 60 thousand fans that is not a big footballing issue.

most of the trouble over recent years has taken place far away from football grounds and has involved, invariably, teenagers drink or drug addled fighting over anything, which they would do anyway.

To highlight sectariaism as the big issue allows the non-oldfirm fans to think they do not have any issues, this is far from the case, hibs fans urinating on women and children, Aberdeen fans throwing bricks at families, one of them cracking the skull of an 11 yr old girl leaving the match with her father, these are actual real incidents but can be ignored in the presence of sectarian singing.

Look to your own, like both halfs of the old-firm have, before slinging the mud.

12

A Scotsman,

in the wilderness 19/11/2006 09:55:15

#5 Doubly-negative....

Unfortunately, it's you who have misunderstood part of the article.

Taylor has agreed that the SFA's current procedures for handling this type of case are inadequate, and he has said he'll have new procedures implemented at the next disciplinary committee meeting, before the end of this year. I hope this paper will follow this up to ensure this actually happens.

But......

He told the Scotsman that the SFA's existing (& clearly outdated, I believe) rules prevent this case being reviewed again.....because the disciplinary committee DID follow the current procedures (ie, the ones which he's saying will now be changed) accurately. Had they not followed the procedure, presumably the right of appeal would have been there.

This is why the writer says in the 4th paragraph from the end.... "He argued - wrongly in our view, but sustainably - that the SFA's bylaws made it impossible to go back on the decision....".

So he IS saying the procedures are wrong.

He's also telling us he's governed by "SFA bylaws" which prevent him applying commonsense in order to reach a more sensible conclusion, when it's blatantly obvious that the "procedure" which was followed is flawed, and therefore inadequate.


These antiquated "SFA bylaws" are clearly in need of radical review & rewrite. They are the same set of regulations which, for example.....
- prevent clubs from appealing against yellow/red cards when video evidence clearly shows the player did not commit any offence
- classify the referee's match report, on which a suspension for a card will ultimately be based, as "private and confidential"....ie, the player and his club are not allowed to see what the officials have written, when certain recent cases have suggested this might be different from what the officials told the club after the game

Scottish football is still governed by

13

Rossw,

Berkshire 19/11/2006 09:57:41

Big Red #9

Strange that you choose to chide the Rangers supporter who was only correcting a misconception by the first contributor in regard to who carried out the worst instance of racism in British sporting history, Monkey suits, fruit shops sold out of bananas, how devastated must Mark Walters have felt at the hands of both Celtic and Hearts fans?

I am sure if you did a straw poll of any group of supporters you would find racist views, which is unacceptable, but those two incidents showed Scotland in a shocking light.

Is this your unatural bigoted hatred of Rangers coming to the fore? I assume you are an Aberdeen fan? Try to be even handed in your criticism then I will undertake a grown up discussion with you.

And to the contributor who said that racism is not bad in Scotland, not acceptable it is the 21st century after all!! Any level of racism is unacceptable, in any way, shape or form.

14

Alex.,

19/11/2006 10:57:05

I feel really sorry for Davy Dodds who had to endure being called elephant man for years. There was even a song about it. If I was to choose between being called a black b*****d and elephant man I think I would prefer the former. I'm sure that out there a black player exists that has called a caucasian, 'Whitey'. Find him and make an issue out of that too. "Sticks and stones can.........

15

Bigotsrbigotsandnotsupporters,

Glasgow 19/11/2006 11:11:13

Every debate on any topic concerning Rangers and Celtic, sees both sets of supporters, taking up defencive positions. The truth is Celtic fans did racially abuse Mark Walters, to my utter shame as a Celtic fan. Celtic do have a small element of sectarian fans (i use the term loosely), as do every club in the SPL. Why?, because it is prevelant in Scottish society.
I believe that finger pointing is useless, in this debate, 'They'r far worse that us' will get us no where.
Why can't we just accept that the problem exists, and from that standpoint, do all we can to eradicate it. For too long religious and racial intolerance has been Scotlands shame - Lets stamp it out.

16

FOOTBALLAGAINSTRACISMEUROPE,

RESPECTVILLE 19/11/2006 11:24:58

No 13,

Just to add to your point re Walters,the worst display of racism in this country in recent years in relation to numbers was the booing directed towards Robbie Keane and Steven Carr as a result of their nationality in a pre-season friendly at Ibrox in 2004.

17

Thommo,

19/11/2006 12:18:24

Let's stop the tit-for-tat stuff before the allegations get even more abusurd.

18

Stewie G,

19/11/2006 12:33:25

Footballagainstrascism
FYI The worst display of rascism seen in this country in recent times was the emergence of the "brown-breeks"-I refer to the nazi apologist who invaded the pitch at Ibrox two weeks ago wearing a pope T shirt -no doubt wishing to antagonise the Maccabi fans in view the pontiff's past links with the Hitler Youth. That and his mouthing anti-protestant abuse at fans should ensure he is severely treated by the Courts-if they are serious about this.

As for ROI players being booed at Ibrox-bollox -but I did hear that Rangers players were abused playing for Scotland B in Dublin last week.

Funny how that is off your radar screen!

19

Media 1,

Cape Town 19/11/2006 12:45:28

Stamping out racism in football is a tremendous idea, but the authorities who control the way in which racism is addressed, do so with a masterly political cunning.

They launch these massive campaigns in which black footballers appear as the victims. In doing so, all white people are left feeling victimised by adverts which see them as the perpertrators of racism.These adverts seem to aggrivate the situation as opposed to the opposite and cannot help but wonder if it is so designed.

We do not require massive campaigns which range from radio to televison to banners at football matches and ribbons wore by players, what is that? I wil tell you what that is, it is FIFA and the other authorities appearing as if they are doing something about when in actual fact they are knowingly aggrivating the situation

I for one can count on one hand the amount of times in which race related incidents have been front page news this season. By contrast, I would require 20 hands to count the number of murders I have heard about.

If the authorities are truly concerned about stamping out racism in football, they must accept that only a very small minority of people actually involve themselves in unsavoury racial comments. Therefore, DO NOT give racism a voice through elaborate campaigns which serve no purpose other than to aggrivate. Simply find the one or two culprits within the many thousands who attend football matches, name them and shame them, ban them for life and get on with it.

It is not nice when someone calls a person a "black bastard", it is equally distressing when the insult is "white bastard", or indeed "fat bastard". But that is life, there will always be a few bad apples and we need to accept that and get on with it regardless.

20

the boxerman,

Canadian wilderness. 19/11/2006 15:59:29

Lets try and keep this discussion to the past few years.

I hold my hands up and agree that what happened to Mark Walters at CP was horrible and one of the worst days in Celtics history. It happened 17 years ago.

As far as I know, those chants are long gone from Celtic Park. Last week we heard them at Love Street. In recent years Rangers fans have made the monkey sounds at Balde and they thankfully stopped them when Rangers put big Marv in the lineup. There is no high road for Rangers in that sense.

Myself, as a Celtic fan, the song that upsets me is the one about there will soon be no Protestants at all. It is not sung that often but once is too much.

As for the Neil Lennon stuff, death threats, booing at every stadium, attacks in the street etc. Again if that happened in North America, it would not be tolerated. Fact.

21

Kejaan,

London 19/11/2006 16:43:22

#20 Boxerman

Never ever heard monkey chants at Balde. Of course he gets booed, but that's because he is a thug and a dirty player. He's even a danger to his own team-mates - just ask Sutton for proof of that.

Lennon gets booed simply because he is an unpleasant scrote - just ask his baby's mother for proof of that.

Funny how you mention Lennon is a fully paid up member of the Society of MOPE's yet you fail to mention his spitting three times on a Rangers scarf at an OF game, his mouthing DOB's at Rangers supporters and players, his general boorish and unpleasant behaviour on the field - at least twice I have seen him confront an opponent on the pitch and make a 'stinking breath' gesture at him. One of those occasions being the UEFA Cup Final no less. He has proved himself time and again to be a thoroughly unpleasant little man.

No wonder he is universally disliked outside of the San Giro.

22

Kejaan,

London 19/11/2006 16:47:11

#16 FootballagainstracismEurope

Errr - since when have the Irish been a 'Race'...??

'Irish' is a Nationality - or are you trying to say there are no Black, Brown or Yellow Irishmen and women...??

Have a look at your own attitude first before you point the finger at others muppet....

23

Kejaan,

London 19/11/2006 16:49:48

#20 Boxerman

North America..??

Would that be the same North America where there are still gatherings of the KKK..??

Righty-o then...

24

Kejaan,

London 19/11/2006 17:04:01

#20 Boxerman

Oh, and by the way, there has only been one Court case involving an OF fan racially abusing Bobo Balde. He got off because he said Balde was LIKE a Gorilla, not that he WAS a Gorilla.

Care to have a guess at which team he supports...??

25

the boxerman,

Canadian wilderness. 19/11/2006 17:11:19

Keejerman, of course there is racism all over the world.

My comments relate to the sporting arena.

In Canada and United States, it is not tolerated. You would not be allowed to make sectarian or racist remarks at a sporting event. You would be out on your backside. C'est la difference.

26

the boxerman,

Canadian wilderness. 19/11/2006 17:18:00

Keejerman

I think your comments are more likely acceptable on follow follow where you are allowed to make up stories based on fiction.

I have heard all of the above about Neil Lennon before of course. Where did I see them. On follow follow of course, which is not really a credible source. Think even Rangers fans understand that.

None of those stories about Neil Lennon, other than the one about the girlfriend have been reported in a real paper. Of course follow follow would you have believe that the media in Scotland is controlled by Celtic.

27

Thommo,

19/11/2006 18:45:12

The story about Neil Lennon shouting sectarian abuse was reported in the Daily Express and by Graham Spiers in The Herald.

28

the boxerman,

Canadian wilderness. 19/11/2006 19:43:29

Reported on follow follow, I think.

It was never commented on by Graham Spiers, one of the braver journalists in Scotland, who will not bow to the bully boys at follow follow.

If it was true, Lennon would have been disciplined. Sorry, because it is on follow follow does not make it gospel. There is a seperate truth on that forum, seen through different coloured spectacles.

29

Shambles,

Far far north 19/11/2006 20:47:30

boxerman

Where do you get your "facts" about Gers fans racially abusing Balde?
Not reported in any newspaper I've ever seen.
Maybe on that bastion of fairness Celtic-minded?
Please sir stick to the facts and let's hear no more unsubstansiated or indeed untrue accusations.

30

Kejaan,

London 19/11/2006 20:49:50

#'s 25, 26 & 28 boxerman

Oh Dear..!!

What's with the 'keejerman' by the way..? Can you not read or are you simply stupid..??

As for Lennon's antics at Ibrox, not only were they reported in the press, they were shown live around the world courtesy of Setanta TV. Deflect and deny all you want to - it's the Celtic way of course....

Your drivel consists of 'blah blah, Follow Follow, blah blah Follow Follow'. Seems to me like you are the one wearing blinkers.

Why don't you get a copy of the Porto-Celtic UEFA Cup Final and watch your 'hero's' disgraceful antics for yourself.

Thank God you're in Canada - one less numpty to worry about over here....

31

Kejaan,

London 19/11/2006 20:55:53

#28 boxerman

"If it was true, Lennon would have been disciplined"....

By who..? Any of the Bigots who run Celtic FC..?? No doubt they gave him a pay rise for his little tantrum....

Oh. by the way, who's fans would be more upset that the Celtic Captain was playing for Northern Ireland (aka Ulster)..?? Can't see the Republican bigots at the San Giro being too happy about that one eh..?

How convenient then that wee Neil finds an excuse to no longer play for them.

32

Ancient Hibee,

newington 19/11/2006 21:08:45

Don't you just love these old firm cretins.30 years ago I thought that the best idea was to wait for the next old firm final and then use Hampden to test our independent nuclear deterrent.

33

Thommo,

19/11/2006 21:41:24

In fact, Graham Spiers not only went into print that Lennon indulged in sectarian abuse, he also mentioned it on BBC Radio Scotland on STV's Scotsport programme.

34

kennyd,

19/11/2006 21:52:46

Graham Spiers is one of the few honest sports journos around at the moment in Scotland, i wish more of the scotsman mob were like him.

35

the boxerman,

Canadian wilderness. 19/11/2006 22:14:17

I have heard the monkey sounds in the past regarding Balde and Agathe. Rangers fans know what happened. Thankfully it is not happening anymore.

Lennon is not my hero. He is not a saint. He does not deserve half of the sectarian abuse that comes his way, in my opinion..

The comments of Rangers fans here speak for themselves.

I am glad the authorities are taking notice. Rangers have already been fined and warned. If others are guilty, then let the chips fall where they may. I will be happy to see if it, and that includes Celtic.

36

the boxerman,

Canadian wilderness. 19/11/2006 22:16:48

Keejan, I have never heard one Celtic fan complain about any Celtic player playing for northern Ireland and that includes the orangeman who captained us to a 7-1 historic league cup final over the famous Glasgow Rangers.

So try and keep your drivel for follow follow.

37

Shambles,

Far far north 19/11/2006 22:30:55

Boxerman
Again you fail to back up your accusations regarding the alleged racial abuse of Balde & Agathe.
You say "Rangers fans know what happened", I sir (a Rangers fan) disagree strongly with your assertions. If,& it is a huge If this had happened it would have been all over the newspapers & television yet I remember no such reporting. I also remember no such incidents at any OF game I attended. I have heard no other Celtic fan make these claims & am now under the impression that you are either mistaken or a liar.

38

the boxerman,

Canadian wilderness. 19/11/2006 23:00:20

Shambles, surely you jest. You are having a laugh.

It happened a couple of years ago. Maybe you have just started going to games. Lucky for you, it doesnt happen anymore.

Lets move on.

39

Shambles,

Far far north 19/11/2006 23:21:31

Boxerman
I have been going to games since 1986.
As I have said ,no media reports on these accusations. If it were true I would be the first to condem, but I do not accept that it is.
Please deal only in Facts and then we can move on.

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Kejaan,

London 20/11/2006 01:01:55

#36 boxerman
Well, considering you're in Canada you'd have to have damn good hearing to hear what they're saying down at the Glitter-Dome now wouldn't you..?

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the boxerman,

Canadian wilderness. 20/11/2006 01:13:42

My hearing is fine. I get to see more games on the big screen than folks in Scotland.

Thanks for the concern though.

Lets hope the authorities clean up the sectarianism and racism whoever the guilty parties. That is my wish. The next year will be very interesting.


 

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