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Published Date: 30 December 2007
Bananas greeted Mark Walters on his Rangers debut at Parkhead 20 years ago
MEMORIES do not always marry with the moments they capture. When it comes to Mark Walters and his Rangers debut in the Old Firm derby exactly 20 years ago this Wednesday, that may be deliberate.

"It was a good day for me; a special one," recalls
Walters, who signed for the Ibrox club from Aston Villa in a £1.3m deal on New Year's Eve 1987. "It was a great experience to play my first game for one of the biggest clubs in the world in front of 50,000 at Parkhead – the largest crowd I'd known since earning a schoolboy cap for England. I have shut out anything other than the positives of that day, because it was so exciting to make a fresh start at 23, after two years when my career was on the slide."

On January 2, 1988 Walters became the first black player to turn out for Rangers. The abuse he was subjected to that day, and at Tynecastle two weeks later, ended any foolish notion that, while Scottish football was blighted by religious bigotry, it was at least immune to the vile expressions of racial intolerance then infecting the English game. Whenever Walters' name is mentioned in this county these two afternoons are seared in the mind. They have come to define the winger's three-and-a-half years north of the Border; more than his artistry, more than a stash of medals or a goals to games average of one-in-three during his 100 matches.

"People ask me how on earth I could get through that first game and enjoy it," says the player, who made little impression that day as Rangers were beaten 2-0. "To be honest with you, being abused wasn't that much of a rarity in Britain at that time, even if it was more than I was used to.

"I am single-minded. I was brought up by my family to see every experience as to be welcomed because you can always learn from it what you need to be better for it."

Scottish football did not demonstrate such insight – either in terms of the authorities or the media. Clips on YouTube make plain the grim extent of the monkey noises and banana throwing Walters' presence at Celtic Park prompted. Yet, though Celtic slammed the perpetrators, the Scottish Football Association remained silent. And oddly, in the press over the days that followed, there was scant acknowledgement of a virulent new strain of racism at football in this country.

It was just viewed as another manifestation of the contrariness that Old Firm hatred spews forth. "Only a handful of fans hurled fruit," said a comment piece in the Sunday Mail. The match reports in The Scotsman and the Glasgow Herald made no reference to the treatment received by Walters. Indeed, the most vociferous condemnation of those who indulged in racist behaviour came in the form of letters printed in Celtic's own newspaper that week.

It wasn't simply in the written press that the issue was skirted around. Archie Macpherson, in his commentary for the BBC, was forced to explain a stoppage to clear bananas from the Celtic Park pitch. He did so by stating, matter-of-factly: "The game has been slightly held up… some assortment of fruit has been removed… you can see it in front of the Jungle."

Two weeks later, Rangers faced Hearts at Tynecastle and Walters was struck by a banana and was met with what the Glasgow Herald described as "deluge of fruit" (contrasting with the "mild outburst of fruit throwing" a fortnight earlier). On television that evening Macpherson famously held up a banana and stated what he had witnessed "made him ashamed to be Scottish".

Macpherson puts down the difference in tone to the obsession with picking away at the sectarianism woven into the fabric of the Old Firm rivalry. Throughout his long career, at least he is one of the few who can claim to have an admirable record on denuding those who would clothe themselves in such tawdry dress.

"There is a conditioning process with these derbies," he says. "We would listen out for sectarian chanting, scan for any disturbances in the crowd and consider the possible implications for public order if there were any violent incidents on the field. Racial taunting didn't enter my head as a contentious issue. I had been brainwashed by the religious divisions. I do not say this as an excuse for failing to acknowledge the infamous nature of banana-throwing but merely as explanation.

"On reflection, I should have been more vocal about it, as I have always been vocal about the other evil aspects that have attached themselves to this fixture. I, wrongly, saw the banana-throwing as in essence puerile; an insipid form of the Celtic support's capacity for a wind-up, at which they are the best in the business. If more had been made of Walters' treatment at Celtic Park, he might not have had to put up with so much at Tynecastle."

It is the very collision of sectarianism and racism that probably left the SFA and the media in a quandary over how to react to the abuse suffered by Walters. The governing body could hardly punish a club for their fans' racist actions when they had never dared bring followers of any side to book for any bigoted behaviour. Equally, how could the issue be highlighted in print without similar weight being given to the fact that, then, Rangers were still 18 months away from a first high-profile Catholic signing in the modern era?

To this day, predictably, there remain pathetic attempts to point-score among the followers of the Glasgow clubs over how much baiting Walters received. Gerry Britton was on the ground staff at Celtic back in 1988. Now manager of Stranraer and a leading figure in the Scottish Professional Football Association – work that involves schools' education programmes on sectarianism and racism – his testimony cannot be disputed.

"It was one of the very few days I fell out with fans of the club I grew up loving," Britton says. "It was bad enough having to hear it, and hearing that a fruit shop near the ground sold out of bananas, but it was truly sickening when our job the day after the game was to clear them away. There were dozens of them, scattered everywhere."

The mood in the country changed following Walters' treatment at Tynecastle, which came after he had made incident-free appearances against Dundee and Morton. SFA president David Will said all would be done to stamp out racism with the hope that "sensible supporters will let the minority know they shouldn't be so stupid in the future".

Hearts chairman Wallace Mercer condemned the banana-throwing as "intolerable social behaviour" and that his club "must be seen to take a stand against racism". Rangers also spoke out, operations executive Alistair Hood demanding the SFA act to "cease" "this kind of despicable behaviour".

"Mark Walters was struck by a banana and no matter how you look at it, this is missile throwing," Hood said.

In forcing Scotland to confront latent racial prejudices 20 years ago, Walters made life at least a little easier for the black players who followed him within these borders. Yet, the treatment meted out to Celtic's Paul Elliott only 18 months later, and the fact that since the turn of this century racist abuse directed towards Hamilton's Brian McPhee, Celtic pair Bobo Balde and Momo Sylla and Rangers' Marvin Andrews has resulted in court cases, suggests as a nation we are not as mature as we would like to believe. As does what happened to Paul Omoniyi, taunted with monkey chants while playing for West Park United under-11s in Dunoon in October 2005 – a case highlighted by this newspaper.

"I am not so shallow as to believe I made a real difference," Walters says. "If it hadn't been me it would have been someone else. If I made one person realise it is wrong to abuse a person because of the colour of their skin, that is something. But football reflects society. Prejudice is based on ignorance and many of those guilty of it have probably become educated because we live in a more ethnically diverse country. As well as that, there are laws now in place and CCTV cameras at all grounds. That means supporters just can't get away with the same abuse and behave at games as they might have done years ago. People might still say and do things in private, but in public..."

It is depressing to think that enforcement as much as enlightenment might account for Walters being the only black footballer in this country to have had bananas thrown at them.

Incidents of racism still blight game

THE Scottish game has moved on since the racist baiting of Mark Walters 20 years ago. Not least because, while the winger was then the only black player in the Premier Division, now more than half the clubs in the country's top flight have non-white players. However, dealing with isolated cases of racism still appears to prove problematic for the authorities.

The SPL's introduction of a charter this season setting out a range of punitive measures for unacceptable behaviour by supporters could prove a major step forward. Meanwhile, inertia has tended to envelop the Scottish Football Association when dealing with racist incidents. The SFA's belief that racist incidents at football grounds should not bring sanctions against the clubs is out of step with UEFA policy and provides no real deterrent.

The Scottish Youth Football Association might have been expected to take the lead when Paul Omoniyi was subjected to monkey chants while playing for Bishopbriggs under-13 side West Park United in Dunoon in October 2005. Following a Scotland On Sunday investigation in June, the SYFA agreed to review a case that drifted into limbo after the Strathclyde Youth Club Association passed the matter over to their governing body in deeming a first racial abuse complaint "too serious" to rule on without the guidance of the SYFA.

The case appeared straightforward. Match referee Ian Cunning, in his report, identified those making the monkey noises as members of the Dunoon under-14s side, while West Park coach Martin Rafferty and the Omoniyi family asked only that some form of written communication be circulated to all youth clubs that acknowledged the wrong that had taken place and warned of future punishment. Calls for such measures were backed by SFA chief executive Gordon Smith, MSPs and racial equality campaigners.

But for 20 months Rafferty has found himself batted back and forth between the SYCA and SYFA.



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1

The Gorgie Boys Are In Town,

30/12/2007 00:12:08
My mate was one of the people at Tynecastle who was involved in throwing bannanas at Mark Walters, i was ill that day and wasn't there thankfully, and when he told me what went on i was absolutely disgusted.

Still am to this day but he was young and stupid and as it wasn't very common place a black player in Scotland so he thought it would be funny.

Still cringe to this day at the thought that someone i know could do such a thing but he was only 13 or 14 and not the brightest even to this day but even he knew he was a fud for doing it.
2

Wee Pal Joe,

30/12/2007 00:27:09
Thankfully, I seriously doubt that we will ever again see anything in Scotland approaching the scale of what Mark Walters had to suffer. Though we must work to make sure that racism and other prejudice is totally eliminated.
3

Big eejit,

The loony bin 30/12/2007 00:44:19
"The governing body could hardly punish a club for their fans' racist actions when they had never dared bring followers of any side to book for any bigoted behaviour."
There is no excuse for their failure to act, associating racism with bigotry does not provide any reason for exemption.
Utter incompetence and total lack of integrity, was the reason no action was taken. These circumstances prevail to this present day.
4

The Gorgie Boys Are In Town,

30/12/2007 01:02:58
exactly poster 3, the same feelings of repugnent sickness and complete disgust still exist anytime Celtic or Rangers arrive at Tynecastle, wether it be sectarian bile or racist abuse it matters not and a few words dropped from songs should make no diffrence.

The same undertones exist and it is disgusting from both sets of weegie fans, happy now that the Hearts are a family club and the idiots are quickly pointed out and dealt with.
5

The Gorgie Boys Are In Town,

30/12/2007 01:02:58
exactly poster 3, the same feelings of repugnent sickness and complete disgust still exist anytime Celtic or Rangers arrive at Tynecastle, wether it be sectarian bile or racist abuse it matters not and a few words dropped from songs should make no diffrence.

The same undertones exist and it is disgusting from both sets of weegie fans, happy now that the Hearts are a family club and the idiots are quickly pointed out and dealt with.
6

The Gorgie Boys Are In Town,

30/12/2007 01:23:39
"On reflection, I should have been more vocal about it, as I have always been vocal about the other evil aspects that have attached themselves to this fixture. I, wrongly, saw the banana-throwing as in essence puerile; an insipid form of the Celtic support's capacity for a wind-up, at which they are the best in the business. If more had been made of Walters' treatment at Celtic Park, he might not have had to put up with so much at Tynecastle."

Again the treatment at Tynie being worse in the eyes of a biased twa@ than what it was, as a pure wind up.

How it could be be worse in one part of the country than an another is beyond me but typical of this mentality, nothing has changed as stated above already
7

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 30/12/2007 01:27:44
20 years ago..how things have improved..the last time i heard anything racist at a football match was rangers fans making monkey noises at bobo balde...look forward to an article reminding us about it in 17 years ....tabloid trash x
8

Andrew O,

30/12/2007 01:29:43
Racism and Sectarianism pollute our beautiful game. Some supporters of Celtic and Hearts were wrong in their actions 20 years ago. Thankfully times have changed and I hope these idiots who were involved realise that they were as poster 1 describes as 'fuds', I remember once reading an article by Sanjeev Kholi, where he stated that bananas were thrown at Walters by the Rangers support. It is good to know that he could forgive his fellow Celtic supporters for their despicable behaviour and indulge in a little historical revisionism combined with some politically correct 21st century name calling. As calling your enemy racist, scores many points nowadays.
9

The Gorgie Boys Are In Town,

30/12/2007 01:30:30
ur on the drugs bob jane, have you had a sex change?
jane or bob, bob or jane?

stop talkin crap you imbicile. Mackay stamped on Harper hardly ape gestures, and he got sent off. Seem to remember Robbo popping up with an injury time equaliser aswell happy days!
10

The Gorgie Boys Are In Town,

30/12/2007 02:07:56
I was there aswell and no such actions by Mackay or the Hearts fans took place, if you are sucked into what you read it must be true then that's you're perogative.

It did not happen though ya tube face facts you lot weren't good enough to beat ten men, get over it!
11

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 02:20:29
O.K. Mr Smith,I was there that day and I must confess to being rather upset with the behaviour of some of my own support in their treatment of Mark Walters (to the point that I was told by Glasgow's finest to "Do one" or I'd be lifted!)
I realise that two wrongs don't make a right,but there has been NO mention of the abuse and hatred spewed at Paul Wilson only a few years earier (Or Paul Elliot,a couple of years later)...perhaps that was acceptable given that "Love Thy Neighbour" and "Mind Your Language" were the comedy "Jewels" of the day...
My real point is this..Is this REALLY the right time to be dredging up all this crap from twenty years ago,three/four days before another old firm tie?There is enough bad blood between the supports at the best of times so PLEASE lets not add to the grief by raking through the Midden.My only thoughts of that day that I'd wish to keep are the two great goals by McAvennie,one at either end...Heres hoping for a similar result on Wednesday!
12

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 02:30:19
Okay...Skimmed over the Paul Elliott paragraph...but hey! its 2.30 in tha AM!!
13

The Gorgie Boys Are In Town,

30/12/2007 02:31:26
14
is there such a thing as Glasgows finest?

In my experience they are all scum and as much of the problem than the solution,

the polis i mean obviously :)
14

fairplay1,

glasgow 30/12/2007 02:33:31
An open letter to Andrew Smith.
If Mark Walters had been a Roman Catholic as well as being black you would have been talking just now about riots inside and outside of Ibrox would you not? When Mark signed for Rangers as the first black player, Rangers policy was at that time that they did not sign Roman catholics. Remember the scenes outside of Ibrox when M Johnstone signed for Rangers that were shown all around the world. I hope you will highlite that on the 20th anniversary. You and your bretheren are Scotlands shame.
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Andrew O,

30/12/2007 02:52:36
#17 I see your point. An article that dares to suggest not everything about the Celtic support is friendly and welcoming. It must be counteracted with some what-aboutery! What about MoJo? Despite an obvious mention of Rangers undocumented signing policy in the article. Souness who was the Rangers manager at the time, has often stated that he was determined to sign Catholic players for Rangers, so did Rangers signing policy end the day he signed MoJo or was it the day he signed John Spencer, or the day he was given the job? Did Souness maybe fool people into giving him the job as player manager by no stating his intentions to sign Roman Catholic players? As a hibee I often find the Celtic fans view on many things to be very hypocritical, yes sure a minority of Rangers fans were not happy about the signing of MoJo, but neither were many Celtic fans, why was that. 15 years after the Mojo signing Celtic fans were refusing to attend a charity auld old firm fixture due to the inclusion of a certain Maurice Johnson. Now certain Scottish Catholic players are singled out for abuse by the Celtic fans, and the religion of every Rangers siging target is of interest to too many Celtic fans. Remind us again that bigotry only comes from Rangers and their fans.
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Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 03:05:22
Fair point #18...Most Hoops fans are upset that Johnson signed for the 'gers WHILST traipsing around in a Hooped jersey,professing his love for all things Celtic....Thats why he was, and always be shunned by the Hoops support.Incidentally,were it not for the public snubbing of Celtic by Johnson,would the 'gers support have taken to him so readily (Monobrows aside,of course)? I think not!
17

Andrew O,

30/12/2007 03:22:07
#19
"..Thats why he was, and always be shunned by the Hoops support." Maybe for some, but I think that for many others it is darker and more sinister than this.

It is difficult to know if the public snubbing by the Celtic support eased Johnson's integration into the blue half of Glasgow, or whether good performances were ultimately what did it. Now Rangers play with many Catholic players, Jorg Albertz, Lorenzo Amorousso were heros to many young Rangers fans in Glasgow. Rangers have since had a Catholic manager. Chris Burke has been taunted by the Celtic support with a rendition of "Who's the fenian in the blue?", Neil McCann also seemed to get special attention from the Celtic support. Could it be that a section of the Celtic support are happier to wallow in their hatred for Rangers, and the lack of signing policy for the last 20 years makes it harder to justify their own sectarian hatred?
18

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 03:34:39
There is certainly an element of "we had the moral high ground" i.e. an open signing policy (but not in the boardroom for many a year!)and we felt righteous in the belief that we were the more INCLUSIVE team in Glasgow.This,allied to our natural left wing stance (on the terracing at least)meant that when the 'gers finally came out of the closet (Ooops!Sorry Guys!)and realised that it wasnt very big or clever (AND more importantly,FINANCIALLY BENEFICIAL) to play to the knuckledraggers tune,Celtic were on a level playing field for the first time in 80-100 yrs (In the non footballing sense!)
19

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 03:35:58
took a wee bit of getting used to!
20

Nova Scotian,

Halifax Nova Scotia 30/12/2007 03:55:34

Great debate so far but ........I am sure that it will be spoilt by some edjits, who are currently sleeping.

However I digress. Mark Walters what a fantstic player. I remember well many defenders did NOT what to expect when he ran at them - pure class.

Being the first great black player to grace the Scottish game, it was never gonna be easy for him, but the whole nation has moved on and everyone is more aware of what prejudice and racism really means. I remember Gerry McNee being particularly vocal on Scotsport about his shameful welcome at Tynecastle

You will be fondly remembered by many by your excellent contribution that you made, not only to the rangers teams of the 80's, but for the progression of the nation as a whole. You were too good to be ignored.

Hats off to you Mr Walters.
21

Andrew O,

30/12/2007 04:00:42
#21 That is an honest and thought provoking response. What interests me about the ending of the Rangers signing policy is the timing by Rangers. Prior to big money foreign signings, and taking into account the demographics of Scotland, where there was a larger Protestant population and many Catholics would always opt to play for Celtic, was the signing policy detrimental to Rangers and controversially did Celtic benefit much on the playing field, as obviously Celtic were winning the moral arguments, but for periods Rangers were the more dominant team in Scotland. It is often attributed to the legend Jock Stein that given the choice between two identical players, one Catholic and one Protestant he would sign the Protestant as Rangers would not sign the Catholic. But how many times did this happen and given the choice and the lure of equal wages how many players would just choose the team that they supported or felt more of affinity for? The signing policy had become a burden for Rangers, but signing a Celtic supporting Scottish Catholic lost this burden more easily than say signing an Italian or a French Catholic.
22

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 04:23:53
The timing for 'gers was ABSOLUTELY crucial in that the only way,given the historical baggage that the club carried,they COULD sign a "Catholic" player was to do so in such a way that it was a major snub to their greatest rivals ie the Johnson saga!
As a Hoops fan I remember him playing at CP soon after signing for the 'gers and willing him to do ANYTHING but score!
Of Course he rectified that at the next meeting at Ibrox!
I like to think of myself as a reasonably well rounded and adjusted human being but there is a WEE bit in me that cannot forgive..perhaps that says more about me than I'd care to admit.
23

Freda Mair,

Elrick 30/12/2007 05:22:40
I had the misfortune to attend an Aberdeen match against Dundee about 2 years ago with my son. He usually goes with family friends but they were on holiday. Sitting beside us were 4 boys aged about 12/13. Dundee had a coloured player in their team and each time he got the ball these boys made what I assume were "monkey noises". I was disgusted and couldn't believe what I was seeing. The boys were with a parent who was unconcerned. After about the 4th time I had to remonstrate with them and I was immediately shouted down as having no sense of humour. It still makes my blood boil thinking about it. Not one person around me backed me in my complaint. The boys did stop but only because they could see how angry and upset I was not I feel because they thought it was wrong.

I despair that boys this young think this is acceptable behaviour and that they feel able to act like this in full view of hundreds of people without being challenged.
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Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 05:44:18
Freda.As i have said in previous posts,I challenged the racist behaviour of my "own" Supporters and was treated as though I were a simplton for complaining about the banana/monkey noises stuff.When trying to get a reasonable comment from one of the idiots ,I was told that "We dont hate him cos hes a darkie,we hate him cos hes a hun"The look on his face when he told me this was one of incomprehension
25

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 05:46:48
now we have people blown up /assassinated for standing up to bullies and I'm left wondering how long before that intolerance is visited upon us?
26

calscot,

30/12/2007 06:38:30
Once again the fact that John Spencer arrived at Rangers before both Souness and Walters is revised and the obvious sectarian signing policy by Celtic which lead to teams consisting of around 80% catholics from a local demographic of about 20% is swept under carpet. And all this to in some way justify a shocking racism incident by frantically slinging as much mud as possible.
27

calscot,

30/12/2007 06:50:46
#7 I watched the game on tv and heard nothing sectarian from the Rangers fans. Are you indulging in the old Celtic propaganda tactic of, "If you say it often enough people will believe it's true"? Please inform us of the offending words you so clearly heard.
28

calscot,

30/12/2007 06:51:06
#7 I watched the game on tv and heard nothing sectarian from the Rangers fans. Are you indulging in the old Celtic propaganda tactic of, "If you say it often enough people will believe it's true"? Please inform us of the offending words you so clearly heard.
29

Backofthenet,

30/12/2007 10:15:41
#33,

So quote the sectarian bits of what the Rangers fans were singing. ("The Billy Boys" certainly wasn't sung.) Specify what you're on about, since you suggest you heard it "loud and clear". Vague accusations of sectarianism are worthless.
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Mercutio,

FALKIRK 30/12/2007 10:16:22
As someone with a profound antipathy to the whole "Old Firm" cesspit, the pretentiousness of Swordsman #21 and I quote "This, allied to our natural left wing stance (on the terracing at least)" is absolutely vomit inducing. I never knew racism was the natural ethos of; the left wing, terrace bound, faux freedom fighting, pseudo revolutionary disciples of Cathal Brugha and the blood sacrifice enthusiasts.
The Old Firm sectarianism stands in stark relief in the light of progress as exemplified by Messrs Paisley and McGuinness.
Andrew Smith's article is timely and relevant.

31

FAN OF GERRY,

glasgow 30/12/2007 10:20:05
#33 'THE SASH' is not considered to be a sectarian song and thats official. The Rangers fans went through their repertoire of songs but at no time was there any religeous references. Stop trying to stir it.
32

FAN OF GERRY,

glasgow 30/12/2007 10:24:43
#10 I dont know where you came up with that one but at no time did Rangers fans throw bananas at Mark Walters. Another celtic myth I'm afraid.

33

Barney Rubble,

30/12/2007 10:25:17
Bob Jane....I didn't require the sound turned down, as I was in the away end yesterday. and did not hear 'Hello Hello'...indeed it hasn't been sung at a Rangers game for a while.

As for The Sash, it was the 'add ons' that were the problem, these are no longer heard either. As has been said...the Sash is NOT a sectarian song.

Anyway this is an article about the single worst incident of Racism in Scottish Football history...letys stick to the topic.
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sonofcosmos,

glasgow 30/12/2007 10:49:30
as i said earlier barney we have moved on in 20 years from that shameful day...but monkey noises at balde happened far more recently so the mock superiority about this almost turns you rangers fans into celtic supporters x
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Backofthenet,

30/12/2007 10:59:03
#39 is a deflection attempt typical of too many Celtic fans. You should face up to the utterly appalling behaviour of your fellows (which was on a scale rarely if ever equalled anywhere) rather than make accusations elsewhere.
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sonofcosmos,

glasgow 30/12/2007 11:03:11
#41 i used to go out with a girl with those stats x
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sonofcosmos,

30/12/2007 11:09:08
#43...senga semantics x
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sonofcosmos,

glasgow 30/12/2007 11:14:23
dont know why but im reminded of the john hegley poem about being middleclass and from luton..

I remember Luton
as I'm swallowing my crout'n
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Jo Jo,

30/12/2007 11:28:09
#33
In your own words please describe the sectarian content of the Sash.
The floor is yours Bob.
Oh and while we are at it please list the songs that so upset you yesterday and please describe their sectarian content as well.

Go on back up your accusations with HARD FACTS....IF YOU CAN?
40

Samuel,

30/12/2007 11:45:35
Balde has never received "monkey chants" from Rangers fans. He was booed for his usual "physical style" of over the ball, through the man challenge. Larsson and Agathe/Sylla, also played that day and received no such booing.

Why do some Celtic fans make up so many lies? Why are so many on some twisted propaganda war? It's just another form of bigotry.

Also, Rangers had many Catholic players before Johnston. Spencer arrived before Souness and there was Hugh O'Neill in the 70s. There was a period from the 20s to the 50s when no Catholics were signed, yet as Graham Spiers wrote, Bill Struth tried to sign several, but was rejected by them.

Officially there was no policy. The appearance of one is more down to myth, distortion and the choices of those who rejected us.

Celtic however, were founded by Brother Walfrid and his colleuages, who included illegal terrorists, started Celtic to keep Catholics away from Protestant/Salvation Army soup-kitchens. Celtic started with a sectarian singing policy and only removed it due to the board's self interest, years after the charitable pretences were abandoned.

If you knew your history....

P.S. I fully expect the usual abuse and name-calling from Celtic fans who can't accept the truth.

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happysnail,

Stirling 30/12/2007 11:49:11
When I clicked into this article I thought it was concerning Phil O'Donnells tragic death. Only to find it concerns matters which to my mind on this day of mourning, trivial. I am sorry if this offends anyone, but the guttersniping replies it induces are inappropriate today.
42

Samuel,

30/12/2007 11:54:20
#50

Your comments are very wise. I expected the same as you from that title. Perhaps I was drawn in a little too by the bigots and their lies on such a sad day.

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Arthur G,

Glasgow 30/12/2007 11:56:34
So in essence: The ‘Celtic-minded’ Phress and other information mediums blanked the largest, most blatant and disgusting example of racism hitherto seen at a Scottish supporting event because it was perpetrated by Celtic ‘fans’, oh the jolly craicsters that they were- dressed up in monkey suits with bags of bananas, how droll -. Yet, the self-same ‘Celtic-minded’ scribes went in to overdrive in condemnation when ‘fans’ of Hearts did the same thing two weeks later (I attended both matches Celtic Park produced a far worse display of racist filth, IMO).

Of course, there are those of you who still believe that The Rangers gets a favourable press.

Here is a list of press and assorted other mhedia types who either openly show their love of ‘ra Sellik’ or are comfortable with promoting their personal hatred of The Rangers through lies and distortions : Spiers
Keevins, Cooney, Guidi, Provan, Martin (Maguire), Neil Cameron, Traynor, McNee
Delahunt, Walker, Haggerty, McCarthy, Leckie, Gibbons, Andrew Smith, Forsyth Baillie, Richard Gordon, Idessane, David Begg, Murdo MacLeod, Sanjeev Kohli
Stuart Cosgrove, Ewan Murray, Ewing Grahame, Scott Booth, Grieve, Rob McLean
Jock Brown, Colquhoun, Alex Murphy etc.

I do know one reporter for a newspaper who supports The Rangers but I better not mention his name, as he is likely to be purged at the request of Peter Lawwell the Celtic CEO. Oh and there is Bob Wylie of course but then again he no linger works for the BBC. Hmmm…does anyone else perceive a pattern emerging?
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sonofcosmos,

30/12/2007 11:56:34
#49 and #51 oh the irony of your posts...
and monkey chants were the order of the day..x
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Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 12:02:49
Mercutio...I say it as I see it...If you dont like it,thats fine.That,my friend is your right.Voltaire and all that.Isn't democracy a wunnerful thing?
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Samuel,

30/12/2007 12:06:20
#53 Stop your sectarian lies. I was at the game and know what happened. The treatment of the other non-white Celtic players and the fact Balde only received the boos after an outrageous challenge proves my point.

Racism has never been an issue at Ibrox. We're not Celtic fans, FFS.
47

Arthur G,

Glasgow 30/12/2007 12:10:42
Well when Bob Jane is asked to justify his/her claim of the 'sectarian' nature of 'The Sash' he/she instead turns this into something he/she finds personally offensive. I’m glad to tell you that ‘sectarian’ and ‘offensive’ are not synonyms. There are many things I find personally offensive, such as ill-informed moralists like yourself. Unfortunately as you are not sectarian or illegal I cannot have you banned or jailed.

With your line of thinking you could be Jack McConnell, whose one-sided “Scotland’s Secret Shame” sham was designed to keep people’s minds of the ‘real’ problems of Scotland and to please the ‘Celtic-minded’ West of Scotland Labour Establishment (WOSLE) who created these problems, during their 50 year reign, in the first place.
48

Samuel,

30/12/2007 12:14:58
CORRECTION!!!


#5*2* Stop your sectarian lies. I was at the game and know what happened. The treatment of the other non-white Celtic players and the fact Balde only received the boos after an outrageous challenge proves my point.

Racism has never been an issue at Ibrox. We're not Celtic fans, FFS.
49

Arthur G,

Glasgow 30/12/2007 12:18:11

sonofcosmos, you really should not use words that you don't know the meaning of, or have assumed mean something they don't by misinterpreting meaning due to context.
Go out and by a decent dictionary and grammar. While you are out (as opposed to sitting alone with your warped thinking in your darkened little room) you might try to meet people and listen to them and their views. It could change your –narrow- world view.
50

Plonker,

30/12/2007 12:22:15
I have to ask - why is this being dredged up at this time ? Some sort of anniversary ?

I agree with sonofcosmos. Edinburgh gutter tabloid space filling tripe. This story only serves to provide more ammunition for OF hating moral highground taking sanctimonious morons.
51

c whitey,

giffnock 30/12/2007 12:53:05
As a celtic fan - I think this was probably my worst moment supporting the club. It was a terible day - stalls outside selling fruit, a tirde of racial abuse from a considetable number -I had the misfortune to be at the corner flag between the jungle and the old celtic end and witnessed one of my own fans dressed in a monkey suit - indulging in actions unbecoming of our club. i remember hoping that none of the terrible actions of our support had been caught by the tv cameras- i cringed watching bbc that night -it overshadowed a great performance by us. we should never forget this -to ensure it is never repeated.
52

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 13:03:18
I remember that clown...If its the same one,he had a 'gers strip to wear over the Gorilla suit.I tried remonstrating with him but he was so caught up in his "joke" there was no point.Deeply embarrassing.I kept the mantra "We ARE better than this" over and over...still painful after 20yrs though..
53

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 13:07:29
btw I hope that given the nature of this thread C Whitey is your real name and not a wind up
54

jerrymanders,

On the sunny side of the divide. 30/12/2007 14:00:23
51 Arthur G

You must be on drugs to think that the media is "celtic minded".

McNee - ask Billy McNeil
Guidi - don't make me laugh
Provan - played for Celtic but holds a grudge
Traynor - despite being a stirrer is pretty fair to both sides of OF. He dislikes them equally.
Keevins - are you joking? Staunch Catholic yes, but just read his articles and listen to his phone-ins!
Delahunt - now you really are on drugs
Leckie - Leckie? Famously outed on Radio Five Live as a RFC supporter by Simon Mayo. Where did you dig this one up from?
Stuart Cosgrove - !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Andy Walker - holds obvious grudge against CFC
Richard Gordon - Dons fan and obviously prefers RFC when it comes to the crunch
Scott Booth - as above
Rob McLean - you are taking the pi## with this nomination!
Jock Brown - as above
Colquhoun - ditto

Notice Mr. White is the glaring ommission from this list - is this the "one". He is bitterly against CFC.

You sir are having a laugh. At the start of last season the same group of journo's were asked who would win the SPL. Out of 24, eighteen voted for RFC, 2 for HMFC, AND ONLY 4 FOR CFC.

"Celtic minded"? Aye, right.



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Samuel,

30/12/2007 14:02:40
Oh jerrymander. I fear for your mental well-being.

Best wishes.
56

Starchief,

30/12/2007 14:23:57
People like Cosgrove, Booth, Gordon, Traynor, McLean and Guidi clearly have no OF agenda. And McNee clearly doesn't like Scottish football at all!

Don't think I've ever read any articles by Delahunt but he's just an anchor man on tv. Not someone who expresses his opinions too forcefully, just facilitates the conversation.

Provan's a pretty fair journalist but he has an obvious concentration on Celtic, whether that's good or bad (let's face it, most news isn't good news).
57

jerrymanders,

On the sunny side of the divide. 30/12/2007 14:50:23
63 Samuel

Thanks for your concerns. Did the electro-shock therapy work or are you back on the Mogadon?
58

scullery,

BALI 30/12/2007 15:09:49
#18 Andrew O.

The reason the Celtic supporters (this one included) snubbed the charity venture was because Murray (and Rangers) ripped the fans and the charity off on a previous 'charity' match.

An extremely well attended game (near capacity at Ibrox) raised the shamefully low amount of about 50k after 'expences' were paid.

The tabloid's ran the sordid wee side-story of Johnston being 'snubbed' to drum up interest which would never have been there.

Hibs supporter spouts guff again......shock!!!!!
59

Samuel,

30/12/2007 15:23:36
#66

Well scullery, Mulder won't be looking for help from you. Could you also explain why the Celtic fans were so keen to attend this "Murray rip-off" prior to the announcement of Mo Johnston's presence, please?

The excuses and fabrications of the "brighter" Celtic fans are as farcical as they are laughable.
60

Alliz,

Paisley 30/12/2007 15:47:05
No sensible person would compare sectarianism with racial abuse.

A man cannot change his physical appearance but he can change his beliefs - ask Tony Blair how easy it is.
61

Colin P,

30/12/2007 16:09:54
Good day everyone.
I was at the last Home International match between Scotland and England at Hampden on 26 May, 1984.
The monkey noises were quite evident that day every time Sansom and Barnes touched the ball. They played with dignity despite the abuse. I think there was another black player that day, but can't remember his name.
At any rate, the racism was evident in Scotland long before Mark Walters came along.
Shameful.
62

Jo Jo,

30/12/2007 16:12:38
And as per usual,when a Celtic fan is put on the spot and asked to provide facts to back up their claims they are left floundering and don't reply.

Celts and Facts...their achilles heel.

Ain't that right Bob?
63

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 30/12/2007 16:20:39
#57...its hard to type in the dark...what word have i let you down with x
#70..jojo..another stock follow follow phrase...what facts are you asking for ??
#54 what game did you mean..if you didnt hear monkey noises its a different match sorry x
64

G...,

Scotland 30/12/2007 16:54:10
i think these pieces are valid..a few months back there was a piece on the infamous game when Mcavennie/roberts/butcher/woods, and i look forward to the ones next year looking at the impact of Mojo sininging... shows how much as a society we have moved on..whilst taking a few of us back to our earlier days when football was so different from today.

THe biggest tragedy is that the incident in question eclipses the fact that Mark Walters was probably one of the greatest players of the NIAR era...what a buzz there used to be as he would head for the fullback..ready with his trademark shuffle
65

Johnny Jambo,

30/12/2007 18:20:43
Oh how I wish we had someone with the skills of Mark Walters playing in Scottish football today.
66

jerrymanders,

30/12/2007 18:34:05
#73

Yes the loss of Shaun Maloney was a blow to Scottish football, but Aiden is showing why he is an even better player. Mark was good though.
67

Stevie1888,

30/12/2007 19:06:35
Unfortunate title all round & shocking timing ! Here's me thinking there would be a spirit of togetherness of sorts on here today ! Just waiting for next years article on the 5th year anniversary of the throwing of potatoes at the "tattiedome" .

#4 Hearts a family club aye, that'll be mr & mrs burberry-stone island & master burberry-stone island & miss burberry stone island that were booing anything that moved in the last Celtic game there !
68

jerrymanders,

East Linton 30/12/2007 19:22:24
#68

Excellent. You answered your own question.
No sensible person would put up such a stupid argument.
69

calscot,

31/12/2007 00:13:09
#47 I agree that The Sash, GSTQ and Rule britannia are silly songs at a football match but to find them offensive leads me to believe you are very probably sectarian against a legitimate religous order and possibly racist against the British. To then twist your own hatred into public assertions that these innocent songs are sectarian is insidious propaganda that only helps to stir up the troubles that most of us would like to end.
70

Sportacus,

Lazytown 31/12/2007 08:21:35
Why can't celtic fans accept they have a racist and sectarian element in their support??. Does it threaten their self-proclaimed status as 'The Greatest Fans in the World', which as we have witnessed many times they certainly ain't regardless of what Uefa were convinced of.
71

Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 31/12/2007 11:02:04
I cant help but chuckle when I read articles such as this. The SFA for more than 100 years condoned and turned a blind eye to institutionalised sectarian bigotry at Ibrox, when RFC were opperating their "NO PAPIST NEED APPLY POLICY" It can be now said that action not by the SFA,but by powers that be in Europe brought an end to this disgraceful bigotry at Ibrox. However, the SFA should never at any time try to take credit for bringing RFC into the 21st century as they at the time colluded with the bigots at Ibrox.
72

Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 31/12/2007 11:09:44
#56...... "Racism has never been an issue at Ibrox" Yes! provided that the player in question was not a member of the Roman Catholic faith! You are fooling no one,so forget it!
73

Stevie1888,

31/12/2007 11:28:56
Sportacus, we feel your pain ! 4 years on & you are still hurting because UEFA & FIFA gave Celtic fans awards for fair play & turning the UEFA cup final into a carnival of sport. Self proclaimed, (a favourite retort from your kind) but as the worlds governing bodies of the sport we all love, regardless of which team we support, bestowed the award on us, we didn't ask for it, so it isn't self proclaimed, is it ?
74

Samuel,

31/12/2007 13:04:00
#79, clearly your education wasn't "hunky dorey". The longest period that Rangers went without a Catholic player was 34 years (1917-1951), which included 6 years of a World War and several attempts to sign Catholics, as stated by Graham Spiers. It seems strange for a group of people to complain about not getting into a place which they were invited to, but rejected.

So you can drop your 100 years of bigotry nonsense. It may surprise you to learn that Celtic were founded to keep Catholics away from Protestants and didn't sign a single Protestant till the turn of the century.

#80 which provides more evidence of your non-"hunky dorey" education. Roman Catholic is not a race.

FYI, Celtic fans have sung more sectarian songs, both more frequently and more recently than Rangers fans this season. Indeed, they are currently blaming a referee who denied Rangers a penalty and a good goal for cheating them out of the game, which they were never in, because of he is a Protestant Minister. That is blatant sectarianism by the Celtic fans.

Finally, I am saddened to see a thoughtful article about a disgraceful incident get distorted by Celtic minded sectarian bigotry.
75

Samuel,

31/12/2007 13:06:13
#81 Fair Play awards always go to the losers. The SPL would give you one for this season, if it wasn't for the sectarian bile chanted by your fans week in, week out. Also, you only got one award, so stop telling lies.
76

Stevie1888,

31/12/2007 13:20:59
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/celtic/3313371.stm

DOH !
77

Stevie1888,

31/12/2007 13:29:53
#83, Don't post if you don't know your history ! I await & will accept your apology for your accusation of me telling lies !
78

Stevie1888,

31/12/2007 13:43:32
Game off on Wednesday IRO Phil O'Donnell. Samuel I await your apology .
79

Samuel,

31/12/2007 14:06:28
#86, Sorry Stevie, but you and the article you quote are wrong. You only got the one meaningless award for your fans' conduct, the year that you were shooting each other in Amsterdam, rioting in Vigo, trashing railway stations in Blackburn and Liverpool, having planes diverted due to assaults on female airline staff and stabbing each other in Seville.

You get no apology when you are wrong.

I await your continued lies.
80

Stevie1888,

31/12/2007 14:21:55
#87 Revisionism of the highest ! Funny enough I live in Blackburn (that is funny enough). I was at the game too, my personal highlight in football, as many many scores where settled for me on that day ! Unfortunately for you, none of them involved violence & the Blackburn council of the day who provided a fan area of half of the towns pubs (& a club for a Charlie & the Bhoys concert)to the Celtic support on the day reported no trouble whatsoever. They like many other towns & cities had nothing but praise for our travelling support ! How unlucky for you, that you should try a lie that I personally can dispute.

As for the awards then if you doubt your own eyesight (I cut & pasted a link showing a report fom the BBC website, just put it in google then read it & weep, in case you don't know what to do with it) then it really is pointless me continuing this discussion with you !
81

Samuel,

31/12/2007 14:31:51
#88 ...and there's your continued lies. How come your IP number says you're from Glasgow?????

You still only got the one award for the year you shot, stabbed and rioted your way across Europe. The article offers no proof of a second award. You will be unable to find a convincing link to prove it since it didn't happen. It's a myth, just like the one about Celtic never having a "Catholics only" signing policy. They did and only removed it for self-interest due to the restrictions it placed on your talent pool.
82

Sportacus,

Lazytown 31/12/2007 15:31:21
Oh yes Stevie1888 let's avoid the issue of the worst ever mass display of racism at a UK sporting event, committed by thoe wunnerful sellik fans.
What a statistic !!
83

Sportacus,

Lazytown 31/12/2007 15:34:05
Celtic are sectarian to their very core, poor Big Jock who delivered them the European cup was punted into a pools office job cos he was 'not one of them'.
Celtic = Racist and Sectarian.
84

r_mcnish,

Edinburgh 31/12/2007 16:14:31
The problem with revisionism is that nowadays with the internet, it's harder to do. For years, Celtic fans have tried to take the moral high ground on every issue going and pretend that the single worst incident of racism in British football never happened. Thank goodness for YouTube and articles such as this which document and prove it did. Whether it's racism, pro-terrorist chanting or calling a succesion of Rangers managers an Orange B*stard (just type in Cheer up Alex McLeish to YouTube), Celtic fans are very far from the greatest in the world. Plenty of evidence on this website: http://ifyouknowtheirhistory.blogspot.com/

Talking of revisionism, if the Celtic Blackburn game was so trouble free, how come of 42 arrests, 26 were Celtic fans and 9 banning orders against Celtic fans were made?: http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/documents/football-arrests-0203?view=Binary
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