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Published Date: 22 April 2007
THERE is ample good reason the defence presents its case once the prosecution has rested in any trial. The most recent evidence can skew the impression of the whole. Which is why, despite Celtic being on the verge of clinching the title, finding in their favour has become more problematic.
Never mind that a second successive championship has been a virtual walkover for Gordon Strachan's side. What is lingering is that a team who not so long ago didn't seem to know how to lose a league game, don't now appear to have the wherewithal to w
in one with any polish.

It shouldn't make one iota of difference how Celtic rustle up the victory at Kilmarnock today that would haul them across a finishing line they have dawdled towards these past six weeks. But it does. As much, indeed, to those within the club as their supporters. They have become increasingly antsy over the pedestrian play produced during a, pointedly, pressure-free period.

"It does matter whether we win it in style," says Celtic winger Aiden McGeady. "We want to get back to playing the way we can play. A convincing win would go down well. We haven't been scoring that many goals or even creating that many chances recently. It is down to us. We know what we have to do and what we have to put right. When the manager has sat us down after every game recently, we have known what he will say. We don't need told. It is very frustrating going in to the last few weeks of the season this way. We want to kick on in style and we haven't been doing that."

In the absence of any outside challenge, Celtic's battle over the closing straight of the campaign has become with themselves. It has been a struggle they have been losing. But if they have been bruised by recent league skirmishing, then it might only be a natural consequence of having long ago won the war. The club's first-time progress to the last 16 of the Champions League kept them focused. It was the impetus for a seven-month unbeaten run in the SPL that, at 27 games, has been bettered only once in the history of the current format. In the sequence, they five times won games in which they lost the first goal and twice scraped draws after finding themselves 2-0 down.

"That does show we have a lot of character and that there is a lot of fighting spirit in the team," McGeady says. Such qualities have been practically set to one side. Identifying flaws in the current Celtic set-up has become the preoccupation because there has been nothing else to pick over when the pursuit of the Premierleague crown has been a non-issue. It is in complete contrast to the photo-finishes in 2003 and 2005, although the football then may have had a sheen applied to it. Yet, it is human nature that teams only find their very best when driven on to make that a must.

"It is strange at the moment," Strachan says. "All the teams in the top six would probably say they could do better with their squads. But I remember watching games in those two seasons and the football wasn't beautiful. Because of the points situation now, you have time to study the form. You are not caught up in the excitement of just wanting the win, with the place buzzing and punters listening to the radio to see how other games are going. Sometimes when it is neck-and-neck, as with Manchester United and Chelsea, teams push themselves to different levels in terms of ability and mental strength. In that excitement, you talk about the results. It is different for us in putting ourselves well in front over the season."

Celtic supporters have been as guilty of navel-gazing as any in media circles they mump about. It is why a section of them could boo Strachan's substitution of their striking cause célèbre Derek Riordan during the Scottish Cup semi-final victory over St Johnstone that kept their club on course for a double. Even if it is a paucity of goals that has made Celtic largely uninspiring and workmanlike side this season, they jeered in a manner that would have had you believe their manager was mocking their very footballing sensibilities.

"That is what we do in football," Strachan says of anything that might be construed as nit-picking. "We all do it. There have to be talking points. I understand that and have no problem with it. I think in years to come no-one remembers how you won a championship unless it is done in real, real style. What we are talking about with Manchester United and Chelsea is a fantastic battle in which they are pushing each other to new limits. Lyon have won the league in France but Gerard Houllier says they have not played well since the start of the season."

None of this changes the fact that, the scintillating 3-0 success over Benfica apart, this season Celtic have been exposed as a team limited in imagination and incisiveness. Albeit a side with shedloads more going for them than any Scottish rival.

In being 29 goals shy of their total with five league games to play last season, the single biggest factor in them not claiming the championship with the same class as in Strachan's first season isn't difficult to pinpoint. "We don't have enough goals and can't argue or debate that one," the Celtic manager says. "The strikers have missed 65 games between them and that is a lot. I don't think I have ever had a pairing that has got together for more than six games. It is not an excuse - there are no excuses - but I think that is the reason why it has been different to last season."

McGeady accepts that the football "has not been as pleasing on the eye" as the previous two Celtic sides that he has played in because there have been fewer natural goal sources. "It is not just down to the strikers, but down to the whole team not scoring or creating as many chances," says the 21-year-old, now Celtic's third longest-serving player. "Look at last season. Stephen McManus scored eight on his own and Stan Petrov and Shaun Maloney brought a lot of goals from midfield, with John Hartson and Maciej Zurawski scoring 20 each."

The failings of Kenny Miller, Craig Beattie and Zurawski this season will ensure Strachan recruits another striker in addition to Scott McDonald. Yet, if Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink hadn't been lost to injury for almost half the season, Celtic's problems in attack would seem far less pronounced. With 15 goals in 25 appearances, the Dutchman has a better strike-rate over a season than any Celtic forward in the past decade with the obvious exception of Henrik Larsson.

Such nuances are lost on many Celtic supporters. Especially those quick to grumble about Strachan. Essentially they do so over the financial imperatives that have forced him to tartanise the squad, and therefore work with inferior quality than Martin O'Neill. It doesn't help that he does not possess his predecessor's charisma or previous leaning for the club. Strachan's pre-match and post-match prickliness don't engender much warmth either.

He has now reached much the same point in his Old Firm life that friend and former Aberdeen colleague Alex McLeish found himself when he hiked up his two-season haul at Rangers to five trophies following the treble success in 2002-03. Like Strachan at Celtic, McLeish was too unglamorously Scottish and had too much playing baggage to be appreciated in more than the good times. The Scotland manager has often reflected that he maybe should have left in the summer of 2003.

The longer Strachan stays, the more he will leave himself open to criticism. Equally, he is also one of the few British managers with the resources to make a decent stab at the Champions League. That said, the dramatic Manchester United win and the beauty of the Benfica beating notwithstanding, the competition has yet to provide him with games he will "always remember".

"One day that will happen," he says of opinions turning against him. "But I enjoy working at the club, enjoy the people I work with and enjoy the challenge around me. I have never had a plan in life. It is far better that way than obsessing about being somewhere then feeling a failure if you don't make it."

Strachan has one plan: to finally get his hip done in the summer. "It has to be done now, it is too annoying," he says. By then, his team's hirpling will have ceased to annoy. Or matter.



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  • Last Updated: 21 April 2007 11:27 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
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1

sing tony,

singapore 22/04/2007 03:39:11

didnt realise that big Jan had a better goals to games ratio as john hartson. if he can stay fit that wills eriously help in securing the title again next season

2

RULE BRITANNIA,

London 22/04/2007 06:31:19

" Winning in style a thing of celtics past "

You don't say!!!!!!!!!!

3

Party animal,

Rugby Park 22/04/2007 06:38:43

Celtic have certainly been the best team this season with no real competition. Maybe when, or if, we get a challenge next season we will produce better football.

Getting to the last 16 in Europe, and having all that fun in the away trips has been the hightlight of the season.

The sluggish SPL has really been great to watch, still lets get crowned as quick as we can, CHAMPIONS always has a nice ring to it.

4

Gandalf the Great,

Slayer of Orcs 22/04/2007 06:42:26

Hey fool britanya, surely just winning would do for you orcs. After all, the no surrender brigade seem to have surrendered everything.

5

RULE BRITANNIA,

London 22/04/2007 07:42:10

#4 Do you mean like winning against your mob at the cess-pit? Like that?

6

Dabulamanzi,

22/04/2007 07:46:54

#4 You are a halfwit. I love it when you set yourself up, which is regularly. As for the article, celtic don't win in style bevause they are not much better than the teams they are playing against.

7

Celtic Bhoy,

Carlisle 22/04/2007 07:51:00

"rool britanya, just another sad bigot".

Anyway to the Celts, me and my mates will celebrate in style in the pub today. Winning is everything! GBTC.

8

RULE BRITANNIA,

London 22/04/2007 08:05:27

#6 I think you're being generous. He's always wanted to acheive half-wit status but never quite managed it.

This article is strange.
" The longer Strachan stays the more he will leave himself open to criticism" What really?

He's one of the few British managers with the resources to make a decent stab at the CL...Since when did celtic become able to compete with Man U, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal?

#7 That'll make 2 of us then. See you're a loyal celtic pub fan then...

9

2117,

West Lothian 22/04/2007 08:06:45

Gers have won hee haw for two years without addressing the style debate. Three managers, Le Guen, Durrant and Smith have exited a competition each with no style this season but the hacks are beginning to salivate about Walter and Sally's prospects next season. Paranoid are we.

10

john devlin,

garndad 22/04/2007 08:23:01

I dont mind winning ugly....as long as its not as ugly as your typical Rangers fan.....that would be too much.

11

RULE BRITANNIA,

London 22/04/2007 08:29:38

#10 celtic players and fans are the ugliest in the world, that's a fact.
I agree about winning ugly...it didn't bother me last time at the cess-pit.
However, at least Rangers fans can admit that the team wasn't playing well.
You lot have been watching garbage all season and think your team's good!
Mugs

12

Bosco Bhoy1,

Letterkenny 22/04/2007 08:31:16

6 Dabula and 8 Rule, well actually, nothing too much these days.

I think ye are both missing the point. the point of any team in any league is to be better than the rest, it would be great if we played wonderful footie evry week but since the opposition is so timid why do you find it surprising that Celtic only do enough to get past the post.

Anyway enough of this predictable drivle from you both, its Sunday morn - get washed and ready for Mass.

13

Mr Benn,

Blarney 22/04/2007 08:34:30

RB, you must not sleep well at night frothing at the mouth in anticipation of these mbs an d what you're sick twisted mind can post. Celtic are a bit short of being a good team but the foundations are in place and we are still miles ahead of anything else in the SPL (the league was effectively over by october). Meanwhile Sir moonbeam is deathly quiet and your own team are in the last throes of a dying sectarian existence. Sad for the decent fans of your club but guys like you have thrown the switch.

14

john devlin,

garngod 22/04/2007 08:36:36

#11
Really glad we agree on something.

Shame the 1-0 at the home of the CHANPS Is the highlight of you season though.....Aaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....you really have fallen a long way.
Never mind...you still have next season....never mind you still have next season.....deja vu anyone?

15

john devlin,

garngod 22/04/2007 08:38:09

typo....CHAMPS

16

john devlin,

garngad 22/04/2007 08:42:40

Rangers fans are ugly....Rangers players are ugly.....even the word Rangers is ugly!!!!!

17

john devlin,

garngad 22/04/2007 08:43:58

The word ugly is ugly too.

18

john devlin,

garngad 22/04/2007 08:48:45

Glasgow Rangers....the Ugly face of the beautifull game.

Putting me off my spam fritters since childhood.

19

I-Mac,

22/04/2007 08:49:10

Poor Strachan. He's just not sufficiently "Celtic-minded" (there's a contradiction in terms!) for many fans of his club.

20

RULE BRITANNIA,

London 22/04/2007 08:49:14

Mr Benn, calm yourself down.
At least you can admit celtic aren't a good team.
And please don't worry yourself about Sir David. The quieter the better. He's working on a masterplan to regain our rightful place as Scotlands number 1 team.
John, not the highlight, but very enjoyable all the same. Hopefully do you over again at Ibrox.
I think you'll find celtic fans are definately uglier...apart from some of the women...

#12 Bosco..had to bring religion into it as per usual.
I obviously don't go to mass as I'd rather not be preached to by a guy in a dress who's more than likely a child sex pest. I'll leave those houses of evil for you and your like to frequent.

21

john devlin,

garngad 22/04/2007 08:54:19

#20

Maybe if you do us at Ibrox you could bring out a mighty DOUBLE DVD?

Davie Dodds....need i say more?

22

john devlin,

garngad 22/04/2007 09:01:37

Also....who was the hammer thrower in the 90,s with the long unwashed perm that looked like the French actor Gerry Dipyurdoodoo?

He looked like a mask you'd buy from Tam Shepards.

23

john devlin,

garngad 22/04/2007 09:10:28

and while im at it...you really wouldn't want your ma going out with wee Spencer would you R.B.?

24

Bosco Bhoy1,

Letterkenny 22/04/2007 09:13:13

20 Rule, eh not even south Basra.

The mass comment was meant as a bit of humour you moron. shame on you for reducing yourself to your typical gutter level with a comment about child abuse.

25

john devlin,

garngad 22/04/2007 09:24:30

#20

Murrays masterplan is to sell up and get the hell outa Dodge....with a fist full of dollars.....scared to look back in case he turns into stone.

26

The Laird of Enfield,

Enfield 22/04/2007 09:35:52

Rangers are a club with proud traditions.

Ugliness being one of them.

Billy Urquhart embdy?

27

nearlyneurotic,

UefaRoolzThatsForSureSaysSouey! 22/04/2007 09:36:53

Celtics romp in the Championship ,Scottish Cup Final spot and last 16 in C.L.is enough for any Celtic fan to be certain that good and even better times lie ahead.
Rags on the other hand have been forced to watch their mob sack their manager, two factions within the club fighting against each other,Super Wallie and JesterCoist coming to the rescue only to get humphed oot, and embarrasingly so against Osasuna, the the only target left that was trying to compete in Europe!
Rags fans booed their heroes off the park yesterday at half time.
Thats the best indicator of all of the committment of the Nos Surrenderous mob.
A bunch of cry babies," we are getting gubbed and we want oor money back to go and buy sweeties".

Nos Surrenderos....Nos Surrenderos my arris!.
Mon wee Strachan mon Ra Tic .

Two in a row hello hello two.........................

28

john devlin,

garngad 22/04/2007 09:46:39

Staggering to the title.....SWAGGERIN TO THE TITLE MORE LIKE.

The days of the FLASH FENIAN are well and truely here to STAY!!!!

Hey Rangers fans.....does CELTICS bum look big from back there?

29

THE James,

Lincoln 22/04/2007 10:40:18

I feel sorry for RULE BRITANNIA really.

First of all, he supports Rangers and that really is a cause for pity.

Secondly, he has nothing better to do with his time on a Sunday morning than post bigoted sectarian bile, in a feeble attempt to wind up people who are anticipating a good day ahead.

Thirdly, maybe not today, but certainly in the next couple lof weeks, he will have to live with Celtic winning their second succesive Championship. In May, he might even have to watch us do another Double.

Imagine the twisted nonsense he will dream up when Celtic clinch the title!

30

THE James,

Lincoln 22/04/2007 10:42:51

I'm really disappointed in Andrew "Uncle Tim" Smith. Some really negative articles about Celtic these past few weeks. Shame he had to do the same again today.

31

RULE BRITANNIA,

London 22/04/2007 11:00:24

Having enjoyed a couple of trebles and 9-in-a-row, I can cope with celtic winning a treble.
John, I well remember the elephant man, but that's the past...you've got to look at Lemon every week...
Bosco, not my fault if that's what they get up to...and into

32

THE James,

Lincoln 22/04/2007 11:12:28

"Having enjoyed a couple of trebles and 9-in-a-row, I can cope with celtic winning a treble."

Drinking excessively is neither big nor clever.

33

Hugh Hefner,

Playboy Mansion 22/04/2007 11:12:36

Its true about the 'ugly' factor at Rangers - when you hear the commentators on the radio talking about 'ugly scenes at Ibrox' - it doesnt always man that theres been some sort of incident of note!

Famous Rangers players:

Greig
Butcher
J.Merrick (handsome John).
Gascoigne

34

Hugh Hefner,

Playboy Mansion 22/04/2007 11:17:40

I-Mac - Strachan is Celtic minded enough for the vast majority of us - only slight criticism is that the tea arent doing it in the style we would prefer.

The reason the papers keep having to harpon about this minor issue and try and make it a major issue is only because there is nothing else to write about.
League was over in October and no other team has done anything to even comment on since.

There even trying to make out Waltery Smith and Aunt Sally from Worzel Gumage to be some sort of messiahs - even the staunchest of you guys must be able to see that its a bit early for that and its just the work of media men with not a lot to write about!

35

Hugh Hefner,

Playboy Mansion 22/04/2007 11:18:59

Back to Back - with the wee ginge strach!

Cant complain abut that from where we are sitting - way above you boys!

36

Bosco Bhoy1,

Letterkenny 22/04/2007 11:30:12

31 Rule Brit

Yes its not your fault what they did, but its certainly your responsibiity for raising it on a footie forum to point score.
Child abuse is very serious issue and you are below contempt for raising it in such a pathetic manner.

37

Mavro,

On a Moonbeam 22/04/2007 11:35:47

Gers in their "death throes" aye right. Keep whistling in the dark mate. Debt £5 million - less than probably EVERY other SPL team. Only CLUB in Scotland with a UEFA 5 star ( you lot won't know what they are) stadium. 40,000 season ticket holders. Average gates of 49,000 + out of a 51,000 capacity. Supporters clubs from North America (we had NARSA before you lot could point to North America on a map) to Australia. Yep, Gers are really in trouble. 99% of the world's clubs must wish that they had such "troubles".

We're not going anywhere - except back to the top of this country's league starting next season. After all, we have won a WORLD record 51 titles and WORLD record 107 major trophies. Beating the eternal second-raters of Sellick will never end. Enjoy yout title this season - as it'll have to provide you with happy memories from next season onwards.

38

Brian,

The Laughing Academy 22/04/2007 11:42:13

Yes, The Famous Glasgow Celtic, under the guidance of WGS, shall be crowned SPL Champions this afternoon...

Yes, the follow followers of The Rangers are indeed very ugly, some specimens verging on the unforgivably hideous. And not only are they pot fn ugly but their unstable and tarnished insitution is heading downhill... rapidly.

Yes, in five years max The Rangers FC will follow follow in the way of...

http://www.sundayherald.com/sport/shfootball/display.var....

Hail Hail!

39

Shirley,

Sothampton 22/04/2007 11:45:33

Whats all the fuss about guys?

Mr Smith is only doing his job, Celtic is the only story in town today(whether they win or not).

The only other story of the weekend is the Dunfermline "revival", but who would want to read about that?

Nobody would read this paper if the story was about Gus McPherson struggling to keep St Mirren up, or the good job Steven Kenny is doing at Dunfermline.

I`m afraid this paper, in its struggle for readers, is now happy to allow bigots and lowbrows to dominate the forum.

Enough said, ahm awa` tae read a more balanced forum on the Morning Star.

40

THE James,

Lincoln 22/04/2007 11:54:56

Mavro,

Legoland might well be a 5 star stadium, but don't expect to be hosting any UEFA finals in the near future - not while Rangers' name is mud with theh European governing body.

As for you "worldwide" appeal, no chance. How about this from The Scotsman:

http://sport.scotsman.com/football.cfm?id=125862002

Rangers are a skint, west of Scotland club with no appeal outside of their own "community", concentrated in the west of Scotland and parts of the north of Ireland.

Celtic - 55,000 season ticket holders and average gates of 58,000 out of a 60,000 capacity. Profits this year of £17m and turnover almost DOUBLE that of Rangers. Keep getting invited on lucrative pre-season tours of the states because we are the biggest draw there. Enjoy your bigotfest at Linfield in July.

You can keep all those trophies from the past, because that's where Rangers have been living for a long time.

41

Mavro,

On a Moonbeam 22/04/2007 11:59:21

Brian, are you really that thick? Read my post above....but keep whistling in the dark if it makes you feel any better. What do you understand by "downhill" I wonder?

If Sir David decides to sell his shares in the club in the next few years be assured there will be a queue of Scottish millionaires ready to take over. After all, even a second rate mob like ra Sellick managed to find an old guy with a bunnet who stopped them from going into receivership.

42

THE James,

Lincoln 22/04/2007 12:06:57

When David Murray sells his shares, he will need to find enough Scottish millionaires to raise £56m, just for Sir Dignified to break even.

Scotland's greatest living entrepreneur will be lucky to ever get rid of Rangers.

43

Mavro,

On a Moonbeam 22/04/2007 12:07:34

The James - as usual ignored the facts, my points. Do you even know what NARSA stands for? North American Rangers Supporters Association. Has an annual bash in the States every year where thousands of Gers fans from all over North America meet up. We're not talking about the plastic Paddy syndrome here where Sellick fans think that anybody in USA who drinks a pint of Guinness must be a fan of their club.

And I wouldn't mention "Leggoland" when you have a stadium that has to be shut when a bit of wind makes it "unsafe" and postpones a Cup tie (remember the ICT defeat?) Porkheid - built on the cheap by a cheapster for the cheapest people in the country. How appropriate.......but it's big inat.

As for "keeping those trophies in the past" you couldn't make it up ... from the people who can't stop mentioning the Lesbian Lions of 40 years ago!!!!!

44

Mavro,

On a Moonbeam 22/04/2007 12:10:16

The James - Sir David, being a multi-millionaire doesn't need to "break even"! He can sell the club for whatever sum he likes. After all he won't need the money. He'll be more concerned about putting the club into the hands of people who can invest and make sure that ra Sellick regain their rightful place in our society -SECOND!

45

THE James,

Lincoln 22/04/2007 12:12:03

Of course Scotland is teeming with millionaires anxious to pay over the odds for a loss-making business. After all being reckless with their money is how they got to be millionaires in the fist place.

46

Bosco Bhoy1,

Letterkenny 22/04/2007 12:22:48

Some of the great lines provided by the link from The James- and all of this from a Rangers man!

"Rangers’ so-called global appeal is a myth,"
he said. "When I was there, we did an exercise which involved asking 50,000 fans on the database to recommend a friend or a relative abroad.

"A big response was expected -
"We got back 2,800 names and three-quarters of them didn’t know they had been nominated.
It’s no surprise that Celtic are officially the best-supported football club in North America, with more official clubs than anybody else. The difference is the Irish connection.

"Many Irish people may support Manchester United, Liverpool or whoever, but they all - every one of them - have an affection for Celtic. And, of course, Celtic also have a great Scottish following.

"The difference is that, while the Irish all have an allegiance to Parkhead, there are millions of Scots who not only don’t support Rangers, but actively dislike them.

"Despite the claims of international appeal, Rangers are, essentially, a West of Scotland club. They talk of supporters’ buses leaving from all parts of Scotland, but if you look closely, you’ll see there aren’t many from each area and they are not all full.

"This doesn’t mean that even Celtic will earn fortunes from emigrant supporters. There may be more of them than Rangers fans, but it doesn’t mount to the kind of income necessary to fund their ambitions. But Celtic have been, since Fergus McCann’s arrival, much the better-run club.

47

THE James,

Lincoln 22/04/2007 12:22:59

Mavro,

Who was the first person on this thread to mention the LisbonLions?

You are ignoring the facts - Rangers have no worldwide fan base. Check the link I posted earlier for confirmation of that straight from the horses mouth.

Sir Dignified CAN sell his shares for whatever he likes, but he won't. He is first and foremost a businessman, for whom making money is the first priority, although the footballing side of his businesses hasn't done that for a very long time. Maybe he should have tried harder to buy Ayr United all those years ago. Can't see him taking a hit out of his "love" for Rangers.

Strange how all those Scottish millionaires were so reluctant to buy any shares when Murray last put them up for sale. Rangers attracted just £1m of new money, with Murray shifting £50m from another of his companies to underwrite the offer.

Rangers are simply not an attractive business proposition in the current football climate.

48

Bosco Bhoy1,

Letterkenny 22/04/2007 12:26:50

As everyone that is sane and reasonable would know, Celtic have a wider base and greater depth to their fan base. Once you leave the intolerant holes of Bridgeton and Ballymena, RFC really struggle to spread their message!

49

THE James,

Lincoln 22/04/2007 12:27:44

"...Sellick fans think that anybody in USA who drinks a pint of Guinness must be a fan of their club."

I didn't know big Magnum PI had a fan club. Does he really drink Guinness?

50

-John-,

22/04/2007 12:35:24

45

Neither will successful Scottish businessmen want to become involved with an anachronistic paragon of bigotry and badness.

I can just see the advert:

FOR SALE: major shareholding in European Football's epicentre of anti Catholic bigotry; the owners have worked long and hard to cultivate a reputation for anti Catholic bigotry and are currently developing their links with various renowned racist groups. Buy now!

51

Brian,

The Laughing Academy 22/04/2007 12:43:10

Mavro, good afternoon to you.

£5m debt? Murray can easily kid the likes of you. The shares he 'bought' (£50m) was merely the shifting of debt from one of Murray's companies to another - his companies are over £500m in debt in total, and counting. This hidden debt will haunt Rangers until the end.

A big shoebox, with a UEFA 5 star rating, crammed full of bigots with a very low UEFA rating (judged annually for sectarianism) is not an attractive proposition for any prospective buyer. That's quite an easy one to work out... no-one will go near RFC with a very long and extended barge pole.

Private equities, venture capitalism, is the only way forward for Rangers FC. These are the financial sharks of the world of finance and capital who are out for the quickest of bucks, through asset-stripping, etc, who are accountable to no-one, including shareholders.

So, Mavs, as I said before: five years max. For goodness sake, face it, the party's well and truly over for Rangers FC.

There will be an Irish wake for the teddy bears in the year 2012 and everyone is invited... even you.

Good luck... and, more importantly, Goodbye!

Hail Hail!

52

THE James,

Lincoln 22/04/2007 12:58:01

Welcome Back to John Kennedy!

Good luck big yin.

53

Brian,

The Laughing Academy 22/04/2007 13:10:59

Yes, THE James, it's great to see the big guy back.

54

Mavro,

On a Moonbeam 22/04/2007 14:06:26

Think you'll find that Scots Presbyterian Gers-supporting millionaires don't give a damn about how they are preceived by the tiny minority of Catholic bigots who make up only 16% of this country's population. Their profit and satisfaction will come from pleasing the 84% who despise ra Sellick who still think of themselves as downtrodden, oppressed people living in a bigoted country.

Gers will be going strong -as they have done for over 134 years - when ra Sellick are back in the gutter where they belong. Second class Sellick - always have been, always will be, no matter how much bile and bombast you come up with!

55

RULE BRITANNIA,

London 22/04/2007 14:50:25

#31 LOL
#54 Mavro, nice post.

56

THE James,

Lincoln 22/04/2007 14:56:00

CHAMPIONEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!!!!!!!!!!

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RULE BRITANNIA,

London 22/04/2007 14:57:01

Once again the league is won in style and hopefully the greatest fans in the world will celebrate nicely and enjoy their moment of triumph.
Well done.

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Bosco Bhoy1,

Letterkenny 22/04/2007 14:58:53

NakamuraSan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The greatest club/institution in the world are once again the champions.

54 and 55-- get it right up ye, you bunch of narrow minded fascists.

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THE James,

Lincoln 22/04/2007 14:59:05

Mavro,

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!

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THE James,

Lincoln 22/04/2007 15:04:22

Rule Brittania! vietnambear! Thommo! Media 1! Mavro! Can you hear me Mavro?! Your boys took a helluva beating!!!!!!!!!!

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Mavro,

On a Moonbeam 22/04/2007 15:26:54

John, the non-sectarian - what does "currants" mean and what's the significance to you, you liberal, free-thinking, unprejudiced being, you?

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-John-,

22/04/2007 15:33:29

Mav 62

You know already what "currants" means, so there's no need to explain.

Feelin a bit sore, Mav?

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-John-,

22/04/2007 15:34:07

Mav

GERRRITRIGHTUPYE!!!!

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Bosco Bhoy1,

Letterkenny 22/04/2007 15:36:22

Mavro 62
You have some cheek talking about sectarian comments with your bile with what post 54 demonstrates. consider your words.
"Think you'll find that Scots Presbyterian Gers-tiny minority of Catholic bigots who make up only 16% of this country's population. Their profit and satisfaction will come from pleasing the 84% who despise ra Sellick who still think of themselves as downtrodden, oppressed people living in a bigoted country.

Gers will be going strong -as they have done for over 134 years - when ra Sellick are back in the gutter where they belong. Second class Sellick - always have been, always will be, no matter how much bile and bombast you come up with!"

Mavro, i wonder how Catholics could ever get a notion of being downtrodden and oppressed in a bigoted nation such as your Ayrian version.

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BEMUSED EXILE,

The other side of Paradise 22/04/2007 15:37:10

My sincere congratulations to Celtic on another comfortable title victory, their fifth in seven years. In truth, they have shown an admirable consistency week after week throughout all seven campaigns, and are clearly the most powerful side in the country so far in the 21st Century.
Bosco Bhoy 1, The James and -John-, congratulations on your dignity in victory.

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-John-,

22/04/2007 15:52:27

66

Thank you for your honest assessment of the football this season, BE.

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BEMUSED EXILE,

The other side of Paradise 22/04/2007 15:56:47

You're welcome. Doesn't actually change the fact that I'm a "Currant", and, therefore, in your opinion, based on post #61, a fool.
You really do need to get your brain and your fingers working together, or at least count to 10 before posting your ill-advised comments.

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-John-,

22/04/2007 15:59:33

68

Are you a currant?

You said it..............not me!

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Brian,

The Laughing Academy 22/04/2007 16:02:42

Well done The Hoops. 5th SPL title secured and achieved in magnificent style. The Double's on! Roll on the 26th May.

Hey, Mav, by the way, that was some post that, #54. Remember what I said: five years, five years max. Enjoy yer night.

Hail Hail.... Championeeees, Championeeees....

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BEMUSED EXILE,

The other side of Paradise 22/04/2007 16:03:55

Well I'm assuming that a "currant" is a "currant bun", ie, a "hun", ie, a Rangers supporter, so, yes, I said it, I am one, and therefore (you said it), I'm a fool.

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-John-,

22/04/2007 16:08:05

68

Based on our previous exchanges, BE, my view is you would be a "Bear" rather than a Currant.

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-John-,

22/04/2007 16:08:57

71

Absolutely determined to demonise yourself.

How strange.

I see you as a BEAR.

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Bosco Bhoy1,

Letterkenny 22/04/2007 16:17:30

Brian 70

Delighted the title is in the bag but i think your slightly too excited by todays events if you think we have won it in any great style.
We have been the best, by far, of a very bad bunch and i for one agree with the sentiment of WGS comments during the week reflecting on the poor standard this year that has been seen in the SPL.

I want us to get out of the group stages of the CL every year but unless we make significant improvements in terms of summer signings or getting more out of the current squad then i do not hold out any great hope for that happenning next year. And BTW, this is what is now seen as the real benchmark for a team moving forward and progressing.

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BEMUSED EXILE,

The other side of Paradise 22/04/2007 16:18:28

Don't know -John-, you can attach the labels. I'm just a Protestant, lifelong Rangers supporter who can hold his head up and say that there isn't a sectarian bone in my body.
As for what's happening on the park, I can remember the dark days of the late 70's/early 80's, and if I try really hard, even the dominant days of Jock Stein, so I can't get too upset about the current situation, which doesn't come close.

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-John-,

22/04/2007 16:23:43

76,

But, BE, in this case it was YOU who attached the label.

YOU decided YOU were a currant - not me.

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Bosco Bhoy1,

Letterkenny 22/04/2007 16:24:56

Mavro 74
Your comments re Jack McConnell , the make up of Glasgow City Council, the Catholic Church, the Pope and the minority status of RC's in Scotland combined with stats re that population betray your deep hatred for people of that religion. If you are a Scots Presbyterian, well fair play to you, but that has no bearing on whether your a bigot or not.

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Bosco Bhoy1,

Letterkenny 22/04/2007 16:29:51

76 Bemused Exile

I dont think any of the OF will hold sway for far too long in light of the economic realities that face both clubs.
Unless their is another magical manager like Stein around the corner or another injection of cash on par with Murray in the 80's then both clubs look like they will spar with each other for dominance in SPL.

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BEMUSED EXILE,

The other side of Paradise 22/04/2007 16:32:37

#75, Bosco Bhoy1. Celtic are clearly the best over the course of the season. But the best by far? I think you would have sewn up the title with more than 4 games to play if that were the case. Maybe the stats back you up. Home matches? Rangers and Celtic both only beaten once, both scored 33 and conceded 9. Away matches? Both 10 wins and both conceded 17 goals (okay, Celtic have scored a couple more). And an SPL table drawn up for 2007? Rangers would be top.
Enjoy your title, but don't exaggerate your superiority.

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Mavro,

On a Moonbeam 22/04/2007 16:39:48

Re my stats - notice you don't deny them. They're a matter of public record...but of course, ra Sellick way is to deny, deflect, ignore, insult, brand an opponent as "sectarian" in our brave new world! So knowing such facts makes a person "sectarian" and shows "hatred". I go by the old maxim - know your enemy. May i remind you that Winning's "desire" was to see Scotland a "Catholic" country again! Wonder how many of the 84% liked that attitude! See you don't like to be reminded that you ARE a tiny minority - which does ok in terms of wielding power in its society.

PS I believe ALL our kids should sit side by side in classrooms, learn together and become friends regardless of religion. That'll make ME a "bigot" in your eyes. Yep, black is white in the eyes of most Sellick followers.

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Bosco Bhoy1,

Letterkenny 22/04/2007 16:41:36

80 BE

C'mon on. If Celtic hadnt gone into 2nd gear after Milan i think we would have seen a points difference that refelcted the gulf between the clubs this year.
My point is although our starting 11 and squad is so much stronger than the next best team in the SPL it may not be good enough to get out of the CL group stages.

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-John-,

22/04/2007 16:42:40

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BB

Mavro is NOT a Presbyterian.

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-John-,

22/04/2007 16:44:06

81 M,avro

Your desire to see all children educated together is realisable right now.

With a little time to prepare resources, ALL children can be educated at Catholic Schools.

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-John-,

22/04/2007 16:45:20

Mavro

you are defined as a bigot by the contenmts of your posts here. On this page alone you have made numerous filthy, bigotted posts.

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BEMUSED EXILE,

The other side of Paradise 22/04/2007 16:48:49

#82, I take the 2nd gear point, but Rangers have 9 wins and 2 draws from 11 SPL matches under Smith, including a win at Celtic Park, so even a top gear Celtic would struggle to better that. There's a real contest brewing for next season.
Champions League is a different ball game. SPL football simply can't prepare you for that, and Celtic in particular have to learn how to take something from away matches if they are to progress. I don't think either of us is good enough to do more than make the odd impact in Europe, and i think our main goal is simply to get to the Group stage and perform adequately when we get there. Anything more will always be a bonus for clubs from a backwater like Scotland.

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Bosco Bhoy1,

Letterkenny 22/04/2007 16:49:39

81 Mavro

So now its Cardinal Winning and RC schools, oh how the day must hurt you silly old fool. Your a bigot,end of story. No other country in Europe has a prob with Catholic schools but only in Bonnie Scotland is it an issue.
Schools and teachers can only achieve so much with the kids in the classroom and at the end of the day bigots are usually made at home and as we can see from your posts we should all be worried for your kids or future children.


PS Regarding the minority status thing,it doesnt bother me as i live in the Republic of Ireland were my 2 nearest neighbours are Church of Ireland and Anglican and everyone gets on with it.

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Bosco Bhoy1,

Letterkenny 22/04/2007 16:54:45

86 BE
Excellent post! nearly all of it spot on except the great faith in Walter.

The past succes of Smith was largely down to financial muscle. The next few years will put tests in front of him that WGS is well experienced with i.e get the most out of mediocre players and working within the constraints of a limited budget.
In his previous stint at Ibrox what real tests did Smith face?

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BEMUSED EXILE,

The other side of Paradise 22/04/2007 17:09:49

This is a very common refrain, but i think it's been overplayed. It's one thing to have financial resources, but you still have to construct a team from those resources that can win things and perform as a unit. Plus, i felt that Tommy Burns in his 2nd and 3rd season put out a real challenge to Smith, and he had to raise Rangers game, which he did.
In any case, I've seen enough already to feel sure that WS is capable of building a team which is hard to score against, hard to beat, and capable of regularly "winning ugly", which, no sour grapes intended, is pretty much what WGS has done, so i look forward to a good scrap.
I just wish both teams were more attractive to watch!

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THE James,

Lincoln 22/04/2007 17:10:08

Mavro,

Really rolling out the big guns now I see - the Pope being a member of the compulsory Nazi youth organisation, separate schooling etc. Must be a painful day for you!

I'd normally rise to the bait, but I'm feeling CHAMPION just now.

Bemused Exile #66

Lighten up a bit. I know you're not happy with Celtic being CHAMPIONS, but a bit of football banter never hurt anybody. Unlike the bigotry being spewed by Mavro and RULE BRITANNIA today.

Maybe if I was a follower of Scotland's most dignified club, I'd be able to match the dignity shown by yourself, until that last sentence.

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BEMUSED EXILE,

The other side of Paradise 22/04/2007 17:19:59

Actually, Celtic being champions bothers me considerably less than you think. I've been removed from the madness for too many years now, and besides, this title was won back around November, so i long since conceded it.
I'll just have to content myself, for this season at least, with the exploits of our youth team who are on the verge of winning the Youth League, a trophy that Celtic have virtually owned in recent seasons. They're in the Youth Cup Final too. looks like Murray Park is beginning to pay off.

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Brian,

The Laughing Academy 22/04/2007 17:22:30

#75 Bosco Bhoy 1

Agreed. I was really refering to the finale of the match, as in the superb finishing of Naka. What a way to win a match never mind the title.

Mavro - you are deranged beyond any hope of remedy. Take your leave, now, lunatic!

Hail Hail!

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-John-,

22/04/2007 17:23:28

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BE

What's your view of the comments of Mavro and Rule Brit?

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Bosco Bhoy1,

Letterkenny 22/04/2007 17:29:06

89 Bemused
couldnt agree more with the comment about them being more attractive to watch. dont think winning pretty in SPL is doable when all teams come to Pakhead and Ibrox and display no ambition, look at Hearts yesterday. Timewasting and 10 men behind the ball.

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BEMUSED EXILE,

The other side of Paradise 22/04/2007 17:31:25

What's this, -John-, divide and conquer?
They're comments are of no relevance to me, they fight their corner in their way, I fight it in mine.
The sectarian argment is for others, I sometimes get sucked in, but prefer not to, and when I do, I don't believe that my comments can upset any fair-minded person.
Why should my views on the two that you named even matter? Or are you just lumping all us Rangers supporters together, as if we're some kind of unit and somehow responsible for each other?

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Hoops man,

22/04/2007 17:42:23

we were mince
if it hadnt been for a super free kick we would still be waiting until next week
but hell i accept the win lol


hail hail

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Vinny less a 1 point & a goal = 7 in row,

Somewhere in "Kirk"ie / Over the Rainbow 22/04/2007 17:54:28

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-John-,

22/04/2007 17:58:03

95

How strange, BE.

You were very very keen to "comment" when you thought I had made an offensive comment. Note that their comments are much worse.......but you say NOTHING of them.

This aint about Celtic & Rangers.

It's about right and wrong.

Now, having described yourself as a decent fella earlier (and I accept your description) I ask you again for your comments on the contributions of two posters who have made numerous sectarian posts.

Will you cross the road and pretend you didnt see them?

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Vinny less a 1 point & a goal = 7 in row,

Somewhere in "Kirk"ie / Over the Rainbow 22/04/2007 17:58:13

Just a wee note to say that the BHOYS have won the league YET AGAIN..............................

Congratulations to everybody at CFC and for all those connected to the GREATNESS club in the world..............

Hail, Hail.

Here's to eight in a row, nine, ten..............

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Vinny less a 1 point & a goal = 7 in row,

Somewhere in "Kirk"ie / Over the Rainbow 22/04/2007 17:58:52

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-John-,

22/04/2007 17:59:27

95,

Oh, and BE, the only guy I see "lumping" Gers together is you.

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BEMUSED EXILE,

The other side of Paradise 22/04/2007 18:00:38

Deep and meaningful post, Vinnie.
By the way, you really ought to rethink your name.
"less a point and a goal"?
If Celtic had collected an extra point in 2005, who would have been champions?
RANGERS, on goal difference!
If Celtic had scored an extra goal in 2003, who would have been champions?
RANGERS, on goals scored!
Sorry, buddy!

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BEMUSED EXILE,

The other side of Paradise 22/04/2007 18:09:19

-John-, why does my opinion of these two matter so much to you?
You won't find me on these threads asking you, or anyone else, to pass opinion on fellow posters.
Everybody can stand up for themselves on here, and take responsibility for their own posts.
Nobody on these threads encourages or provokes sectarian debate more effectively than you.
Maybe if you disappear, they will, too.
Then the rest of us can discuss football.

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-John-,

22/04/2007 18:14:03

103

Mmmmmm.....you're evasion is surprising....to say the least, BE.

You've tried a few tactics, but I wonr be deterred.

This aint about divide and rule, or Celtic and Rangers, or who provokes sectarian debate.

Those are all your red herrings.

And your opening question in 103 is another weak evasion effort.

Come on, BE......I'm really asking a simple, straightforward question.

What's your real reason for avoiding answering?

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BEMUSED EXILE,

The other side of Paradise 22/04/2007 18:20:23

Actually, you will be deterred, John.
Either that, or you'll spend the rest of the evening in your own sad little bubble, trying in vain to chase an answer that I've got no intention of giving, while the rest of us move the debate on to pastures new.
I'll respond to what I want to respond to, not what you or anyone else tries to corner me into. Ask them to justify their posts. They didn't run them past me for approval before posting them!

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-John-,

22/04/2007 18:21:45

103 BE

In anticipation of further evasion, let me venture a guess re why you're avoiding answering.

Even though you have seen these two make the most appalling, bigotted comments, you dont want to be seen criticising fellow Gers at the behest of a Celt.

ie your affinity with fellow Gers is stronger than your contempt for the bigots that plague your Club and threaten its very existence.

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BEMUSED EXILE,

The other side of Paradise 22/04/2007 18:29:05

It's actually SO much simpler -John-.
I'm just not interested!

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-John-,

22/04/2007 18:54:01

107

THEIR bigotry is OK by you.

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BEMUSED EXILE,

The other side of Paradise 22/04/2007 18:58:34

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-John-,

22/04/2007 19:07:33

112

Wasnt it Plymouth earlier?

London now?

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Bosco Bhoy1,

Letterkenny 22/04/2007 19:12:44

112 Wasps Rule OK!


Is this punter for real or just a wind up merchant?

Bemused, i know you dont want to be seen to be cornered into a response and you want to keep to a footie topic but i do feel John has a salient point with the idea/notion that if decent Bears like yourselves feel the approprioate response to witnessing bigotry from fellow Gers fans is to ignore or not comment then it is no wonder this problem will not go away.

Here is an example of what is needed.
I recently looked at the Walters debut at Pakhead on youtube and it was a disgrace the way a signififcant section of our hoops support treated this wonderful playeron that day.

Its that simple an easy and it is not painful to do.
Show the tossers up for what they are.
You must do this or your club will be forever tainted by these sort of individuals.

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-John-,

22/04/2007 19:20:01

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With fans like you I can see why RFC are going to be closed.

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RULE BRITANNIA,

22/04/2007 19:22:57

King James was a tim was he not?
I could of course be confused.
And tell me why my comments will get RFC closed.
Don't be daft John, just a bit of craic as you mob are apt to say. I think your dirty beasts use the phrase now and again as well.

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BEMUSED EXILE,

The other side of Paradise 22/04/2007 19:29:58

At least get your facts right, -John-. I wasn't the least bothered by your usage of the word "currant". I was irritated by your assertion that all "currants" (which I interpreted as Rangers supporters, myself included), were "fools".
Bosco, if I felt cornered before, how must I feel now with you throwing your weight into it?
I get very annoyed by the tone of certain regular Celtic supporters, such as, to pluck a name out of the ether, Nearlyneurotic, who I find very objectionable, but I'm underwhelmed by the amount of Celtic-minded people who speak out against his provocative ramblings, and i would never ask one to.
I've never aligned myself to RB, but this argument just gives him the oxygen of publicity, and if he's still monitoring this, he's probably having a good chuckle at the repercussions of his mischief making. You bestow importance upon him by responding to his posts and by pursuing this argument.
I won't.

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Bosco Bhoy1,

Letterkenny 22/04/2007 19:38:46

117 Rule Brit

Youve clearly lost it wee man.
I hope you can go to sleep tonight with the clear knowledge of the fact that you are very disturbed bigoted and hatefilled gentleman.

I will pray for you.
Please,please try and not inject this poison into any children you may have.

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Bosco Bhoy1,

Letterkenny 22/04/2007 19:44:11

121 Bemused

fair point- you dont endorse these muppets and as a result you wish not to comment on them.
i attempted to inspire you by showing you the way.
I as a Celtic fan are fully aware of the issues our fans create and i for one will never shirk from facing and dealing with the less than pleasant issues that have emanated from CFC/fans over the years.

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Bosco Bhoy1,

Letterkenny 22/04/2007 19:46:52

Best for all sane and respectable adults to ignore the KKK/SS member at 123.

I guess he aint saw any action lately going by his rants. So unpleasant and sad.

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-John-,

22/04/2007 19:48:32

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BB

He's plainly hurting bad.

Isnt that a shame?

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-John-,

22/04/2007 19:49:54

123 is a bizarre post from a weasel who earlier described himself as a Christian. Bizarre.

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Bosco Bhoy1,

Letterkenny 22/04/2007 19:50:13

Rule Brit

How apt that a nation that once trampled all over the world enslaving people, dehumanising them,slaughtering them is now the lapdog of the mighty US of A.
The most hated nation backed up by the the second most hated nation on the planet.

It shows you the breeding of these people.

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BEMUSED EXILE,

The other side of Paradise 22/04/2007 19:52:36

Actually, I wouldn't have thought that Nakamura's late strike really did you any favours.
Wouldn't you have rather won the SPL in front of 60,000 adoring fans at CP next week against the mini-Satan, Hearts?
Or even have stretched it out a week longer and won it at Ibrox?
That would have been priceless. Although, obviously not a game that you'll win anyway!

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RULE BRITANNIA,

going,going,going 22/04/2007 19:53:33

#130 Bosco, typical cowardly Irish scum. But you don't mind taking money from the U S of A to fund your cowardly freedom fighters eh?

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Bosco Bhoy1,

Letterkenny 22/04/2007 19:53:47

CSC in Tokyo still in party mode.
Apparently Naka made call to bar to thank everyone for their support.

Domo Arigato gozaimasu Nakamura San

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Bosco Bhoy1,

Letterkenny 22/04/2007 19:56:18

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glad we won it today, my nerves couldnt take another weekend of this. probably next week will be anti-climax after todays events.

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Cardiff Bhoy,

Cardiff 22/04/2007 19:59:28

Whose the champions now SCUM
whose the champions now

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Bosco Bhoy1,

Letterkenny 22/04/2007 20:01:52

136 Cardiff Bhoy

These WASP muppets have lost everything and they have never adjusted to that simple fact. They need to realise that they are the military, geo-political equivalent of say a Blackpool FC.

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BEMUSED EXILE,

The other side of Paradise 22/04/2007 20:02:38

John, I really do tire of you calling me names, and telling me what I am or am not, as if you know me. Now it's "hypocrite" to add to the list.
RB and I are Rangers supporters, approaching things in different ways.
If I admired the way he went about things, I'd probably be doing it that way myself. Equally, he probably finds my approach a bit bland and weak, but he lets me get on with it, as I do him.
We both love the same institution, Rangers Football Club, something that you would like to shut down.
So, yes, I have more problems with you than I do with him.

140

-John-,

22/04/2007 20:04:11

133

Hello! Hello!
You are a Silly Boy
Hello! Hello!
Not playing with your toys?
yer up tae the knees in dids and duds,
I think you're gonna cry
You are the Govan Silly Boys!!!

ha ha ha ha!!!

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BEMUSED EXILE,

The other side of Paradise 22/04/2007 20:05:07

But here's your chance to show me up, -John- and Bosco.
Condemn Cardiff Bhoy for #136 and 137.

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-John-,

22/04/2007 20:06:37

139

Now we're getting to the truth, BE.

So much for the decent fella claim earlier, eh?

What Rule Brit does is WRONG, BE.

Get it?

WRONG!

This aint about Celtic v Rangers, or any odf the other smokescreens you hastily erected earlier.

It's about GOOD v EVIL.

Time you decided which side you're on, BE.

143

-John-,

22/04/2007 20:07:53

141

Why?

Because he talked offensively to the Site Bigot?

144

Cardiff Bhoy,

Cardiff 22/04/2007 20:10:43

BE - you seem a reasonable bloke, so i shant make any comment on you, yet you wont condemn RB's derogatory and abusive comments. You, however, wish to see my similar comments condemned. Have you heard of irony.

This is an article about Celtic winning the league, a poor Celtic it must be admitted but nevertheless a Celtic which were at least 13 points better than your team, even when off-colour. Perhaps you should stick to postings about your own team if you do wish to be offended or at least dont act surprised or shocked when we start to bite back at muppets like Rule Britannia

145

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Cardiff Bhoy,

Cardiff 22/04/2007 20:14:06

BE - just to clarify - plural is correct - i meant RB and Mavro, you can out yourself in there if you wish, however, as i said previously, you seem like an ok bloke

147

Cardiff Bhoy,

Cardiff 22/04/2007 20:16:05

And BE - can you just clarify - do you think the comments in post 108 are appropriate ?

please put up or shut up

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-John-,

22/04/2007 20:16:11

145

BE

I take it you had not seen 144 when you made 145.

I had already taken a view that his intent was to attack the RB filth that has disgusted all the decent people here today, and other days.

ALL the decent people think he's filth, and his posts are muck.

What's your view, BE?

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BEMUSED EXILE,

The other side of Paradise 22/04/2007 20:19:01

Well, CB, at least you've hit upon an actual football debate, and if your insults weren't aimed at me, then I retract. It's still stronger, more provocative language than i would personally use however.
With regard to the 13 points reference, that's an interesting viewpoint. You actually built up a 22 point lead over us prior to our last trip to Easter Road, and hoped to beat us at CP the following week to make it 25.
Now you boast that it's 13.
Truth is, you were much better than PLG's Rangers.
But if the league table never lies, then a leagure table for 2007 shows Rangers on top.
Or is that somehow a lie?

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BEMUSED EXILE,

The other side of Paradise 22/04/2007 20:21:37

I've already said in #139 that I don't admire the way that RB goes about things.

152

-John-,

22/04/2007 20:22:36

150

Are you STILL struggling to decide between good and evil, BE?

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Cardiff Bhoy,

Cardiff 22/04/2007 20:23:09

BE - great to see we have moved the debate to football. accordingly i shall respond

i believe we are 13 points better as that is what the table shows tonight

you may be correct that the league table for 2007 shows Rangers on top, however as you may not be aware, the league championship is based on matches over the course of a season and not over the course of a calendar year. No doubt we can all twist statistics as we wish, but my friend (can I call you friend) please note that this SEASON we are the CHAMPIONS by THIRTEEN points.

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-John-,

22/04/2007 20:23:17

151

"dont admire"?

Please elaborate.

155

-John-,

22/04/2007 20:24:48

151

How about Adolf Hitler?

Or Fred West?

Or Peter Sutcliffe?

What's your view?

Dont admire?

156

-John-,

22/04/2007 20:26:06

151

BE

Are RBs comments kinda OK because he's attacking Celts\Fenians?

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BEMUSED EXILE,

The other side of Paradise 22/04/2007 20:26:19

Yes you are, CB.
But are you 13 points better than WS's Rangers, which is the Rangers team that exists today?
Who would be top if WS had been there since the start of the season?
None of us can say with confidence.
Next season will reveal much!

158

-John-,

22/04/2007 20:30:03

HA HA HA HA!!!

Next season!!!

Wasnt PLG gonna sort us out THIS season?

Will you be FOR or AGAINST Rule Brit bigotry next season, BE?

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Bosco Bhoy1,

Letterkenny 22/04/2007 20:32:31

157 Bemuse

i agree next season will reveal so much. my genuine view is that Smith's 90's record is based on the financial ocean that seperated us both at that time. as he demonstrated at Everton he was no great shakes without htse advantages add this to the fact that we have a far superior squad then i feel sort of confident for next year.

160

Cardiff Bhoy,

Cardiff 22/04/2007 20:34:23

BE

Champions

13 points better than Rangers - David Murray's Rangers

None of us can say who would be top if Walter had abandonded the Scotland job earlier however the fact remains that he didn't

At the start of the season the following predictions were made with confidence with regard to the return of the title to the mighty Glagsow Rangers ( 6 of 7 in the Record -inluding McCoist and the other picking Hearts !) (5 of 5 in the Sunday Mail) (Scotsman 2 for Rangers 1 for Hearts) (Herald - 3 Rangers 2 Hearts)

Noone predicted the current Champions and newly crowned Champions

Just in case you didnt hear - CHAMPIONS

161

-John-,

22/04/2007 20:39:03

BTW guys....

On Setanta right now....

Players player of the season etc.

First award - goal of the Season: NAKA!!!

CHAMPIONEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!

162

-John-,

22/04/2007 20:45:51

SPFA Manager of the year: Gordon Strachan.

CHAMPIONEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!!

163

THE James,

Lincoln 22/04/2007 20:52:35

The Good, the Bad and the Ugly on here tonight. We know who the Good are.

No offence Bemused Exile, but you have to be the Bad. At least your attempts to rationalise your club's predicament stick to football, but as you well know, the season started in July, not January. I believe Rangers were in the process of taking a step backwards in order to make three or four steps forward under Paul le Guen. Murray's nerve failed under pressure from Bazza and you have now taken that one step forward under Smith. Unfortunately for you, Smith can take you no further. He reached the limit of his managerial capabilities in 1998, and said as much when he quit Rangers then. Let's see how he does with no financial advantage like he had last time.

I don't blame supporters like you for keeping your head down over the sectarianism at Ibrox. I don't know if I would have the courage to protest if the majority of people around me were behaving in such a way.

Then we've got the Ugly. Is RULE BRITANNIA a different person from Rule Brittania(sic), or is it the same person who has now finally got the message that he'd spelled the Roman name for his country wrong?

Well RULE BRITANNIA, I hope you feel just a little bit better about yourself now that you've got all that off your chest.

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RULE BRITANNIA,

going,going,going 22/04/2007 21:21:39

My tits are now down to a 30 AA after getting that off my chest.
I've beaten my wife and the dog now knows that when I'm p'ssed off not to expect to be fed.
(if anyone wants a rabid rottie, let me know)
I hope all you smug celtic fans know that by winning the league you have created a broken home.

166

Dedge,

a village North of Glasgow 22/04/2007 21:28:25

The James #163

Flicking back through these posts show that Cardiff Bhoy and beermonk66 are staking strong claims for your 'bad' and 'ugly' awards.

Their tone, language and attitude belongs in the gutter. They are making serious dents in the notion perpetrated by many in these columns that Celtic have the moral high ground.

Unless, like some of the more extreme Prods that post their comments, they are at the wind up?

All you Sellick-minded folks out there: do yourselves a favour and post their comments as unsuitable

167

Cardiff Bhoy,

Cardiff 22/04/2007 21:37:57

166 - dedge - my posts were meant to be ironic in repsonse to the comments by the lovely Rule Britannia and his mate Mavro.

And its Celtic not Sellick

And as for ugly - not really up for discussion

We dont need to claim the moral high ground, yet again today good has triumphed over evil

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Bosco Bhoy1,

Letterkenny 22/04/2007 21:38:23

166 dedge

Celtic FC and their fans do have the moral high ground due to the following:

1 both clubs have idiots that follow them but RFC clearly has a higher percentage of bigots amongst its fanbase.

2 more importantly RFC has nurtured this patholigical hatred of anything remotely Catholic/Irish

169

Brian,

The Laughing Academy 22/04/2007 21:53:33

We've won the League again
Fly the Flag
Fly the Flag

Championeeeees...

RB is a Wasp without a sting
and his charming companion
Mavro is a clown without a circus

Hail Hail!

170

Hugh Hefner,

Playboy Mansions 22/04/2007 22:07:28

RB - are you from Kirkie?

171

RULE BRITANNIA,

going,going,going,going 22/04/2007 22:11:47

Hell Mr. Hefner, are you a regular at the old Chase yourself then?

172

Not Me,

....apologies for the delay..... 22/04/2007 22:12:03

To all Celtic types.....

Congratulations - hope you enjoy your moment ........

Some song moments;

"We are the Champions" - far too obvious but well done -John- for getting there first.......

"Long Time Coming" - well it has been has it not.......

"Even better than the real thing" - for Vinny 195 titles ........

"Hair of the Dog" - for those who may need it tomorrow..........

"Glory Days" - for those of you who think these days will last forever.......deluded!!!!

"Don't let him go" - just especially for that wee lamb Lennon - the nicest man in football!!!!!!!

"From Rags to Riches" - for Nearly a banker - maybe an ode to next year - just for you........

"A design for life" - -John- lets talk more about this some day.........I'll cut you some slack today - you deserve it.......

"You've got a lot to answer for" - just for PLG.......

"Ten Years Gone" - but now he's back......for Walter Smith

"God Save the Queen" - -John_ you started with a Queen tune - this is how they ended their gigs.......thanks for reminding me.........

"The End" - certainly for me it is........

Cheers.

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THE James,

Lincoln 22/04/2007 22:12:28

Dedge,

Take a look at #108, then point out to me the moral equivalent to that from a Celtic fan.

CardiffBhoy and Beermonk responded to that. Maybe if they'd stopped to think for a minute they might have moderated their language, but while I wouldn't respond like that myself, I understand exactly why they did.

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RULE BRITANNIA,

going,going,going,going 22/04/2007 22:19:29

James, fair play for trying to excuse your fellow fenians....it wasn't their fault, they were goaded into it!
Ha, try using that excuse in a court of law.

Not Me, without trying to get you into trouble by being nice to you ( guilt by association and all that ) but post 172 was a bit of genius.
Now back to business....

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Not Me,

....apologies for the delay..... 22/04/2007 22:20:05

The James...

....he reached the limits of his capabilities in 1998.....

......you are kidding - right - cause if not you are a complete and utter fandancer.......

Song moment - Whats the frequency (?) The James - cause you are on a different wavelength

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Not Me,

....apologies for the delay..... 22/04/2007 22:23:31

The James

Whose morals - I thought morals were in the eyes of the beholder - was that not your poit the other evening.......

.......or - even worse - are you the only one with morals.......and those taught to you by that ohhh so clever education system.......

.......how easy was that ----- tw@t...

band moment - The James Gang - but don't join unles you know the Green Moral Code!!!!!!!!

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Not Me,

....apologies for the delay..... 22/04/2007 22:28:33

The James

Ohh and btw - to your response re #108,

Last week one of your lovely god fearing bretheren did suggest that all (ALL) Rangers supporters were on the road to hell.....

...will find it for you if you suggest otherwise - I remember cause my song moment was - Highwat To Hell ------ so get of your sactimonious high horse and come play with the unclean......

Song moment - A Good Heart - unlike yours The James......

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Hugh Hefner,

22/04/2007 22:40:28

RB - no, got family who frequented the place from time to time! - still live in hairstaines area!

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Not Me,

....apologies for the delay..... 22/04/2007 22:51:22

RB

Let them enjoy the moment - because thats all it will be ............

The James obviously has a very importrant (deliberate) job to do in the morning and as a good moral christian has to go to bed well before the witching hour..........

.......it is people like you and me (Not Me) and dare i say -John_ who are immoral abd stay up far too late.......

Song moment - Bark at the Moon - but its too cloudy.....

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Not Me,

....apologies for the delay..... 22/04/2007 22:53:45

-John-

Did you like my use of "witching hour" or should I be burnt at the stake........

........although - maybe it wasn't the church to blame.........

Song moment - Church of the poisoned mind - again.........

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Hugh Hefner,

PlayboyMansions 22/04/2007 23:08:56

NotMe - for next season

Daydream Beleiver - The Monkees (not coincidense i chose thsi band)

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THE James,

Lincoln 23/04/2007 19:29:36

Not me #176

"The James

Whose morals - I thought morals were in the eyes of the beholder - was that not your poit the other evening.......

.......or - even worse - are you the only one with morals.......and those taught to you by that ohhh so clever education system.......

.......how easy was that ----- tw@t...

band moment - The James Gang - but don't join unles you know the Green Moral Code!!!!!!!!"

You were doing so well until you felt the need to stoop to personal abuse. Couldn't resist bringing Catholic education into it either. The mask has slipped just a little there.

BTW,

CHAMPIONEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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beermonk66,

Confused by Henry Unsworth Henry Snake 23/04/2007 22:17:10

#166, can you explain to me how “flicking back through these posts” and looking at my posts should mean my comments belong in the gutter. I love my team and may take umbrage to some ignorant/racist/bigoted posts who perpetuate non truths but I have not been ignorant/racist or bigoted. Defensive maybe but reasoned. Maybe we are all bad losers and winners but reading forums (and not just this one) only one team of “supporters”comes across as bigoted, unforgiving etc and it is not Celtic fans.
Easily we have the high moral ground. Thank you 163, 167 168, I hope all #’s are correct.


 

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