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The battle that would not be won



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Published Date: 07 January 2007
PAUL Le Guen will be back home in Brittany this weekend, but any suggestion he will be putting his feet up and cracking open a bottle of bubbly are way off the mark. For while a part of Le Guen will be only too glad to turn towards contemplating pastures new, another part will be unable to ignore the regrets he leaves behind in Glasgow.
Before examining them, let's set a few things straight, and put a swift end to some of the ridiculous rumours being parlayed around Scotland. Firstly, it was Le Guen who quit, three weeks after a previous offer to resign had been rejected by his chairman. The manager agreed to sign a 'by mutual assent' document at the behest of David Murray.

Secondly, Le Guen did not 'engineer' his departure, as some suggest, because he had another job awaiting him. He walked away because he'd had enough. Speculation linking him to Paris St Germain is precisely that. There has been absolutely no contact.

Thirdly, and most importantly to Le Guen, he left without a penny in compensation, but with, he believes, his dignity intact. He did not ask for a pay-off. Indeed, having returned his Rangers suit and tie, at the club's request, the only tab being picked up by Murray is the cost of his move back to France.

When considering Le Guen's spell with Rangers, it might be wise to begin by turning the clock back to last spring when, impressed by the discourse of Murray and Martin Bain and enthused by the challenge ahead, he agreed to replace Alex McLeish once the season was over.

Having won three straight league titles in France with Lyon and taken them to consecutive Champions League quarter-finals, Le Guen was hot property. Lyon hadn't wanted him to leave - chairman Jean-Michel Aulas said his manager was 'the next Arsene Wenger' - and he had plenty of other opportunities. But Le Guen chose Rangers over the likes of Benfica, Bordeaux, Lazio or Stuttgart because the task of rebuilding a big club with tradition appealed to him. He was in it for the long haul. Le Guen understood back then that he faced a sizeable test.

Rangers were in a mess. The squad had given ample notice they weren't good enough to compete with Celtic, and Murray could no longer fund extravagant forays into the transfer market. The new management team had to look for cheap players, hence Le Guen's recruitment of foreigners, mainly youngsters - footballers he could groom for Rangers' long-term future.

Problems were quick to surface though. The cultural differences Le Guen expected to confront rapidly turned into mini-battlefields. Early training sessions were very physical. Le Guen and his staff determined to improve the overall standard of fitness, and not everyone appreciated the extra miles they had to run and the onus on stamina. Le Guen was also aware that some Scottish players, and key ones at that, were not exactly living the way athletes should.

Le Guen knew that the drink culture, as we have come to term it, is alive and kicking in Scottish football. While the new management team weren't surprised by that, they were very concerned by the extent of some of the drinking. For most new recruits, it was simply something of which they could not conceive.

Murray was aware of some of the problems facing Le Guen and encouraged him to tackle them. Barry Ferguson, though, quickly found himself at loggerheads with the new regime. Perhaps the club's iconic figure and captain felt personally menaced. Or maybe he simply never liked nor got along with Le Guen from day one, or liked what the manager and his men were trying to do. That was his right. For sure, Le Guen had realised the extent of Ferguson's influence, both within the club and in the media, and wanted to reduce it.

Whatever Ferguson's reasoning, he had soon appointed himself defender of all things he felt were being threatened, and particularly of his pals in the team. While his sentiments can be understood, his reactions inevitably led to dressing-room divisions. Rather than doing all he could as skipper to help the foreign players settle, Ferguson's negative vibes towards the management team helped foster an 'us-and-them' atmosphere that ostracised the non-Scots. Le Guen, disappointed and taken aback by the hostility with which he was confronted, watched team spirit disintegrate. Confidence, a key element in the make-up of a successful sportsman, seeped out of the likes of 22-year-old Filip Sebo, the Slovakian striker who often watched his partners in training prefer to pass to Kris Boyd.

In recent weeks, as hostilities became more apparent and more open, players have come close to outright brawling. Training was not something to be looked forward to anymore, simply because of the prevailing atmosphere. The foreigners became more and more downhearted and dispirited. Some of the Scots will have shared their pain.

Dado Prso, after two-and-a-half years with Rangers, is probably the best current example of a foreign player who has fitted in successfully both on and off the field. One of the best team-mates anyone could hope for because of his whole-hearted approach, and the life and soul of many a party both in Glasgow and back at his previous club, Monaco, the striker has been struggling to keep a smile on his face of late. And a lid on his emotions. According to sources at Ibrox, the Croat nearly came to blows with Ferguson recently.

And yet, despite this lack of harmony, there have been signs of promise on the field lately. In between the catastrophic League Cup loss to St Johnstone - the low-point of Le Guen's reign - and the humiliation of a second defeat of the season to Inverness CT, Rangers had lost just once in nine games, to Falkirk, a streak that included worthy wins away to Hearts and Aberdeen, qualification for the next phase of the UEFA Cup and a 1-1 draw with Celtic.

The victory over Aberdeen two days before Christmas was of particular significance, or so it seemed. Rangers looked set to give themselves some breathing space in second place. The following games, against Inverness and St Mirren, should have seen Rangers confirm their progress. Instead, they brought just one point and heralded the now infamous clash between Ferguson and Le Guen.

The clash had been coming. Le Guen had already broached the subject of Ferguson with his chairman several times. Then, three weeks ago, tired of what he saw as Ferguson's continued insubordination, Le Guen went to see Murray again. The Frenchman offered his resignation. Murray refused it, reminding Le Guen that he had a contract to serve. The manager warned his chairman that he considered Ferguson and, to an extent, Boyd, as 'undesirables', that his work was being undermined. Le Guen felt he would get more out of the remaining players if he could be rid of his two stars, in spite of their qualities.

Although Murray resolved to speak to Ferguson, Le Guen was convinced a talking-to would not solve his problems. Things came to a real head after Le Guen and Yves Colleu, his right-hand man, went back over the tape of the Inverness match. A second viewing only served to bolster their belief that Ferguson had deliberately ignored Le Guen's pre-match instructions. The Frenchman wanted Ferguson to play further forward, where he felt his eye for the final pass and ability to get into shooting positions would be more beneficial. Le Guen was happy for Jeremy Clement to sit in front of the defence, bring the ball out and look for Ferguson up-field. The Rangers captain, however, kept running back and taking the ball off Clement's toes, his all-action style certainly not lacking in energy but not at all consistent with his manager's tactics.

After seeing little improvement in the St Mirren match, Le Guen decided to act. He called Ferguson into his office and told him he was no longer captain and would not play against Motherwell. Contrary to some rather emotional accounts, there were no tears. Then, Le Guen called Murray to inform him of his decision. Without Ferguson, Rangers scraped a vital win away to Motherwell. The fans, though, made clear where their loyalties lay with the chanting of the captain's name. And when Boyd struck home the decisive penalty kick he, as we all now know, celebrated the goal by dedicating it to his favourite No.6. It was clear to Le Guen that he had failed to solve his conflict with Ferguson, that the captain was unlikely to want to leave Glasgow and that the unhealthy climate at the club would, therefore, continue to fester.

The manager regrets today not taking decisive action earlier in his 'him or me' saga with his captain, and we shall never know whether that would have made any difference. What we do know is that Le Guen went to see Murray on Wednesday night to tell him he was quitting. A sad ending to a story that had seemed so full of promise just last summer.

LIFE AND STRIFE OF PAUL LE GUEN


March 11 2006: Signs three-year deal to succeed Alex McLeish as Rangers manager.

June 2006: Arrives in Scotland to take his first Rangers pre-season training session.

June 28: Rangers stalwart John Brown quits Ibrox after 18 years following Le Guen talks.

July 2006: Axes Fernando Ricksen for drunken indiscretions on pre-season tour.

August 2006: League campaign starts with a win, but draws against Dundee Utd, Dunfermline and Kilmarnock turn up heat.

September 2006: Rangers are beaten 2-1 at Easter Road and Le Guen loses first Old Firm game 2-0 at Celtic Park.

October 2006: Home defeat by Caley Thistle marks the worst start to a season in 23 years.

November 2006: Kilmarnock beat Rangers in the league, and St Johnstone record shock win at Ibrox in CIS Cup. David Murray backs Le Guen but brands situation 'unacceptable'.

December 2006: League form improves somewhat and Rangers top their UEFA Cup group, but Le Guen falls out with Barry Ferguson after captain organises a Christmas party against his wishes.

January 2007: Strips Ferguson of captaincy and axes him from the side. Fans protest, and Murray flies in for crisis talks. Le Guen leaves Rangers "by mutual consent".

The full article contains 1756 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 10 January 2007 3:03 PM
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1

Thommo,

07/01/2007 01:06:52

So the Le Guen camp are blaming Ferguson. Quelle surprise.

2

Seamus,

On the crest of a wave 07/01/2007 01:32:14

Oh well, I can't wait for the rabid "sellick supporers" to hijack this thread as well, readers please be aware that before long this thread will no longer reflect the story but will degenerate into sectarianisim and biggotry.

Faithfull through amd through...

Less than 30K yesterday?

3

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07/01/2007 01:53:02
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Yankee Doodle Hibee,

USA 07/01/2007 02:02:09

#1 Are you suggesting Ferguson is blameless in this whole affair?

5

Seamus,

On the crest of a wave 07/01/2007 02:10:24

Leon, I just knew you would not be able to stay away from a story with Rangers in the headline.

6

Lamberts Teef,

07/01/2007 02:53:57

What a load of rubbish.

So the big bad alcoholic Scots didn't like the poor wee foreign innocent lambs? Uh diddums!

The truth is PLG was hopeless. His tactics were bizarre (one up front in the SPL), his signings were shocking (really, what is a Sebo?) and he was a wimp. He has walked away from Rennes, Lyon and now Rangers.

Notice a pattern here?

Any real MAN never mind football manager would have been dropped Ferguson earlier if he thought he was so bad. He would have made sure he won not just in the Ferguson affair, but also in building a team. He had no heart simple as that.

I am not saying Ferguson was innocent. His running to the press every five minutes is a disgrace, and he should never captain Rangers again, but it could have been handled much better.

I'll leave you with three points:

Firstly, if the Scots were such a disgrace in their dinking why is it they have been Rangers best players this season? Ferguson, Smith, Adam, McGregor and even Hutton have all been playing well. Only Prso, Novo and Clement out of the foreign angels have pass marks.

Jeez, when you think about he should have taken them all to Buckfast Abbey.

Secondly, I don't think he could handle the pressure. In another article in this very newspaper it is stated that PLG became extremely paranoid and even thought he saw Barry Ferguson celebrate St Johnstone beating Rangers. Barry is many things but come on...lets come back to planet Earth here.

Thirdly, this genius bought more duds in such a short time you would think he was deliberately trying to destroy the club. Honestly, you reading this, are you a tactical genius being paid hundreds of thousands of pounds a year to buy and coach players? No, ye know yer fitba' don't ye'? Would you have chased Sebo for a month (he once said he had chased him for years) and paid £1.8m for him. Do you get my drift? Are you laughing yet?

Let's be honest here all the propaganda on how we Scots

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07/01/2007 03:57:44
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murren59,

Isle of Arran 07/01/2007 04:17:44

What an embarrassment to Scotland, what an absolute lack of class, they even asked LeGuen to return his Rangers suit and tie...

>Thirdly, and most importantly to Le Guen, he left without a penny in compensation, but with, he believes, his dignity intact. He did not ask for a pay-off. Indeed, having returned his Rangers suit and tie, at the club's request, the only tab being picked up by Murray is the cost of his move back to France.<

What are they going to do with a used suit and tie, give it to Barraboy Ferguson to sell on the side?
And how can Walter Smith not have Ferguson as his Rangers captain when he is his Scotland captain? I only hope that Smith's successor as Scotland manager, whoever he is, gets rid of the wee lowlife.

9

Trebor,

07/01/2007 04:37:22

Leon. You shouldn't believe everything you read in the papers. The truth is that PLG was a roarin' failure in almost every department. Spare us the nonsense of "sectarian bitterness" please. Did anyone accuse Celtic of racism when they despatched John Barnes after his short tenure, albeit after better results than PLG's, came to an end? When one considers the abuse that Mark Walters had suffered not long before at Parkhead it may have been a valid point for others with the same mentality as yourself. Please stay in Hong Kong!

10

Big T Jambo,

07/01/2007 04:51:17

#8

I seem to recall that PLG started at Rennes and was asked to coach Lyon by bringing an unfashionable club to the top of the French division. Hardly walking away.

Lyon were a top Chapions League team, and still are, yet according to you he walked away from that job as well.

I also recall that fact that the laptop loyal were fullsome in the praise of David Murray for appointing someone coveted by Real Madrid and far bigger clubs than Rangers.

Could it truly be that Sir David buys the players and gets the manager to coach them - hence the fire sale buys from Austria Vienna?

Sorry, it's only Mad Vlad who does this. Who bought Webster? It can't be the manager. Who signed Colin Hendry? Wasn't Advocaat. Who told McLeish NOT to plat Ball cos Everton were due another £600k?

Mind you Celtic are as bad. Who signed Keane, Nakamura & Du Wei purely on their marketing strategdy?

My last point is this. Have the laptop loyal even thought about asking the most important question here? Why will the SFA let a "member" club away with "tapping up" the current Scotland coahing set up? If Celtic were fined £100k for taking Tommy Burns from Kilmarnock then surely Rangers are in great danger of surpassing this fine?

11

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berti,

nyc 07/01/2007 06:45:36

If Walter Smith becomes manager of Rangers it will instill some passion back in a team that seems to have been passionless of late.

13

richR,

Glasgow 07/01/2007 07:52:44

PLG may or may not have been good for Rangers, unfortunately the short term facts (results & signings)suggest the medium term plan to develop a sustainable young technical team on a modest budget looked flawed. Whilst agreeing that BF should not be captain he is a key asset worth having at the heart of the team. The PLG public approach to the captaincy position was at best immature and unprofessional (no disrespect to gavin rae) and i am pleased that Murray dealt with the matter of PLG working an exit rather than smokescreen of BF trying to be bigger than the club, which seems to have been over-hyped.


Add to this that Rangers face different domestic challenges in Scottish league that make it more difficult to deal with challenges in European football. The heavily packed and physically strong defences playing their "cup final" every week against Rangers is a matter that that Smith/McCoist look better placed to deal with going forward. After all, this is where the domestic points have been dropped(not against attacking teams - Hearts, Hibs and Celtic). As for European expectations time will tell, although no-one is expecting Rangers to win the CL as was the case for Smith/McCoist first time around.

The Celtic model seems to be working(some young mixed with experienced), but with maturer players making up the team's backbone - Lennon, Pressley, nakamura, graveson combined with possible exits for boruc, maloney, Balde (shame) etc they will be faced with getting all next years summer signings right again.. more Caldwells, Millers, jaroskick, riordans..

The financial advantage is minimal between the old firm and whilst this season looks a write-off for Rangers, should they come 2nd and qualify for CL then their dominance of Scottish Football can be resumed quickly.... 14 titles out of last 20 can easily be improved and European experiences can be further explored

14

13ampfuse,

Near Paris 07/01/2007 08:04:07

I have been working in France for some considerable time now and have seen a lot of French League football, and I beleive if Le Guen had stayed he would have modelled an extremely attractive style of play. All French teams play with much more attacking flair and without the fear of losing we have in Scotland. PLG's much maligned tactics were influenced by the French style, in that when in possession, the entire midfied moves into attacking positions, and don't simply hoof the ball forward for a lone striker. This appears to be lost on Scottish teams. Murray should have kept faith with what his original decision to bring PLG to Scotland

15

Tarquin,

Cheshire 07/01/2007 08:11:51

Leon, why do you continually try to link Le Guen's departure with sectarianism? Do you still feel guilty over your own club's sectarian decision to hound Jock Stein out of Parkhead?

And let's face it, if Rangers are guilty of "sectarian bitterness", then they're hardly "isolated". All they have to do is look a few miles eaast to Parkhead to see bigotry flourishing and to hear songs sung loud and clear glorifying sectarian terrorism. Oh, sorry I forgot. Celtic fans' IRA chants are "political"! Silly me.

Get off your high horse, your bigotry is showing.

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07/01/2007 08:29:05
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Calum Crubag,

Alba, gu brath. 07/01/2007 08:40:48

So is Ferguson one of the jakies? I've read from other continental players that his diet is typical west of Scotland. Maybe this is why Ferguson's play is so patchy, he just can't escape the wee Scottish mentality. Top of the game athletes living on pints and fried suppers?

18

Rossw,

Berkshire 07/01/2007 09:26:38

As someone who wholeheartedly embraced the notion that Paul Le Guen would re-engineer Rangers from the ground up I now feel that he Le Guen is being somewhat disingenuous. I fear had he been bent on the changes defined by this article there would have been action to stem the supposed misdemeanours months ago and that as manager he could have neutralised the Ferguson/Boyd threat to those changes.

I just dont think Le Guen fancied Scotland and coupled with a severe lack of funds the task of rebuilding Rangers was a bridge to far in his mind. If Barry Ferguson is indeed thick and lacking in sophistication wny did Le Guen not use his superior intellect and more importantly leadership position to effectively deal with his malevolant influence? It just does not stack up!!

Remember Ferguson was injured when Le Guen joined the club and it was he Le Guen who re-introduced Ferguson as club captain. Surely to God he would have had a grasp on the dressing room politics and an understanding of which players wielded the most influence, basic due diligence for any manager.

Remember it was common Knowledge that Ferguson had undermined the previous manager and serially moaned at and berated his teamates. Most of us with an objective eye could see that Barry lacked many of the more subtle leadership qualities required, in fact neccessary to be captain.

I am not saying that I have any sympathy for drunken, junk food eating supposed athletes being paid more in one week than many of their devotees earn in a year. But...... I smell a rat here!!!

19

Believe,

edinburgh 07/01/2007 09:40:31

If the scottish Football media had done any research into the type of football a PLG team plays they would have known that ferguson wasNEVER goona last and that Kris boyd would be played relluctantly. The first is too slow, lacks vision and movement to fit into a Le guin midfield and the second is, putting it bluntly, a lazy player who lives off othres.

I told people at the start of the season Ferguson wouldn't last a year I didn't reckon on David murray losing his bottle or the cancer that has been spread by BF's influence

As an aside if Wattie is back as manager the delusions of being a big europena club can stop - his track record in European competitions is shocking -- ah well nothing like settling for being big fish in small pond........

20

nearlyneurotic,

07/01/2007 10:16:53

Sir Wantaway only new of "some of Le Guens problems". So what made him pick and chose?

Le Guen," left without a penny compensation"
Aye , that`s right, `n Romanov disnae pick the Hearts team either.
Does this journalist think we`re all a bunch a weans.
Does he forget that there`s more than a wee radio stuck in the corner of the living room of almost all households nowadays.

24/7 we can, if we chose , hear, read and most importantly watch blanket coverage of events and read body language.
Sir Wantaway was at the coal face and backed the frenchman 100% ten weeks ago.
Sir Wantaway didn`t have the guts to do it when it came to Le Crunch. Simple.
Walter Smith dropped big Boydie in one of the Scotland away games `cause he was heart lazy.
Walter Smith himself ,would probably have got shot of Capt. Bazza if Rangers hudnae sacked him last time round .
And he`s back for 2nd helpings !!
Yes, money is a great motivator Walter ,but ask yourself,is it worth it..is it really worth it ?

Put it this way Walter....has Sir Wantaway got Rangers into better shape , in any capacity,in any shape or form since he last terminated your services?
That`s because the real problem is still there.
The real problem is Sir Wantaway.

Le Guen walked away wi nae compen... thats got to be the best o.g to date!

21

wayne bijlyeerheid,

07/01/2007 10:20:47

Leon9
As well as displaying your sectarianism your post also brings in the usual childish name calling.
Let's compare, if BF is a "wee ned", what is Neil Lennon?
Lucky one week not to be arrested, never mind sent off, for assaulting his own team mates on the pitch, making football history the next being sent off after WINNING a penalty.
I suppose with you being such a bigot these little contradictions won't register.
"would some power the giftie gie us"

22

Boberto,

07/01/2007 10:24:53

#21, in fact PLG's "problem" with Ferguson against St Mirren was that he had too much movement - he was all over the park trying to rescue a struggling team in a manner somewhat reminiscent of John Greig in another poor Rangers side.

The truth is Le Guen's own signings looked like they would struggle in any type of football, the only possible exception being Clement. The better players have all been those already at the club: Ferguson, Prso, Smith, McGregor, Hemdani (in midfield, not when moved to try to bail out the centre-back shambles).

23

JC,

Deepest Kent 07/01/2007 10:29:08

Ah well, let's all agree to disagree!

Only one thing, Murray is getting off lightly here & should be severely criticised full stop. He brought the dud PLG, to much fanfare, to Rangers and promised the moonbeams that are where????? He sold the family silver to JJB & will destroy the club.

24

Mr Benn,

Blarney 07/01/2007 10:32:15

comment 11 hints at racism in the sacking of john Barnes ignoring the fact that he was appointed as manager in the first place . He then comments on the disgraceful treatment of Mark Walters while conveniently ignoring the vile abuse of Balde and Agathe in more recent times. You need to look a bit closer to home and your own clubs retrograde steps to re-install the old Rangers "traditions" my friend.

25

Alex.,

07/01/2007 10:33:51

Ferguson and Boyd think they are Rangers but they are not. The club needs to look forward and accept modernisation rather than backwards to the Boyne to the sound of the flute. Tradition is fine in its own way but it should not hold the club back. Le Guen was entitled to a fair crack of the whip but Ferguson threw the toys out of the pram because he didn't like the new management style. Must have been hell running extra miles at training with a hangover. Rangers would do well to get rid of the weans who cause divisions in the dressing room but what top club would have them now that they have shown their childish mentality to one and all!

26

Boberto,

07/01/2007 10:39:27

All this stuff about flutes, the Boyne, sectarianism and racism is nothing whatsoever to do with the matter in hand. Some folk need to grow up and stop peddling their irrelevant agendas.

27

William King,

07/01/2007 10:43:17

#18 the NEDS have taken over and sending Wattie and Ally to sort it out reminds me of when Mrs T used Haig as a mediator between us and the Argies --- a bit llike hiring jack the ripper as a baby-sitter.....

PLG will no doubts go on to success in Europe whilst Barry Ferguson continues on his mighty ascent to be Rangers answer to Paul McStay -- mind you McStay's loyalties were never in question.......

And next we have Rangers contemplating signing "Paul "theyare DoBs" Hartley" --- time to demolish Ibrox and start from scratch!!!!

28

William King,

07/01/2007 10:48:53

I wish people would leave Seamus alone. He is to be congratulated for learning computer skills and the government are also due kudos for their initiative in teaching these skills to the mentally retarded. Well done to both of you.

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07/01/2007 10:51:22
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THE James,

Lincoln 07/01/2007 10:54:24

The battle for the Heart and Soul of Rangers has been won by the "traditionalists." It will make no real difference though - Walter Smith (or whichever other "real" Rangers man comes in) will still face the same problems as le Guen. They have a divided dressing room, players who are not good enough, and no money to spend.

It will be years before Rangers recover. If le Guen had been backed, he might have turned things around in the longer-term. There are no quick fixes for the mess Rangers are in.

31

Madrileno,

Spain 07/01/2007 10:57:46

Walter Smith was fully aware of what was going on at Ibrox and there are no guarantees that ferguson or Boyd will remain long term at Rangers . The article by Le Guen ...ghosted byTullet...fails to explain why Ferguson was made captain in the first place!

32

Armo,

Ventoux 07/01/2007 11:01:38

We will never know but perhaps if Mr Paul had let a real professional like Prso lamp the little ned right at the start of the season all of this might not have happened...

Vive le revolution!

Allez the split dressing room!

Allez the incoming court jester and his idiot savant sidekick!

Allez Sir Moonbeam and the spun press releases!

I'm luvvin it........

33

Big eejit,

07/01/2007 11:02:28

Leon,
You just can't leave it alone can you? Every Rangers article in the Scotsman is contaminated with your sectarian rants. You have no idea how your typing condemns you, with the same brush with which you would tar others. Can you just not discuss the matter in hand?
Sectarianism is as relent to this thread as, say for example paedophilia.

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Pat the Hat,

Pat the Hat 07/01/2007 11:14:33

The article reads as if it was dictated down the phone by Sir Mint himself. "It was Le Guen's fault, and if it wasn't his it was Ferguson's fault; in fact, it was anybody's fault but mine. What more could I possibly do?"

And Le Guen walked away without a penny. lol! Aye right. Another Rangers wet dream, methinks.

Ah well, sit back and relax for those midweek laugh-ins that we used to enjoy so much, otherwise known as Rangers in Europe under the Great Wattie!

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07/01/2007 11:15:53
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football-factory.net,

on the ff site 07/01/2007 11:16:13

i cant believe that barry is getting this sort of bad press and plg is being made look like a angel remember he done this again with fernando it was a clash of cultures and he is to pig headed to try and addapt

37

Nittenman,

07/01/2007 11:27:31

#1
"Oh well, I can't wait for the rabid "sellick supporers" to hijack this thread as well, readers please be aware that before long this thread will no longer reflect the story but will degenerate into sectarianisim and biggotry.

Faithfull through amd through...

Less than 30K yesterday?"

Substantially longer it would appear that it took you to place your ill judged comments on the Henrik Larsson article it would appear - kettle black!

38

Armo,

Ventoux 07/01/2007 11:46:25

#39 Nitteman - Well noticed - I think that is commonly what is known as being 'bang to rights'.

Ha Ha Ha Seamus

You foolish, foolish man

Humble pie all round

39

lothian bus driver,

07/01/2007 11:52:57

who cares about the Rangers they are old hat

40

Shirley,

Southampton 07/01/2007 11:53:21

Good points #12 big T Jambo & #15 RichR

I don`t think Smith will tolerate any nonsense from the dressing room, and will surely bring more consistent performances for the rest of the season, the real challenge will be next year.
I only thing I don`t get is McCoist as assistant, why not Durrant, surely he has more coaching experience and more inside knowledge of Rangers`problems.

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Repton,

edinburgh 07/01/2007 11:59:07

A shocking endictment of the culture within Rangers,Ferguson is a cancer and Murray if he is a man at all should send him packing out of Ibrox with Boyd.Both these two should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves and are not fit to play for any football team.They`d be better off down at the local pool hall.Any manager coming in there would demand their removal.

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Gormless Strachan,

'Ballons de Con', Bellshil 07/01/2007 12:00:04

Can we have an offshoot mindless bigot thread? Then we can say bye bye to Seamus, Tarquin, Mr Intellect, Wayne, et al.
Le Guen's failing was not getting shot of Ferguson sooner. If, as r4asonerd reporting seems to suggest, Bazza was being disruptive,divisive and disloyal, then Le Guen should have dropped Le Nyaff long ago. all this harping on abbout Le guen not adapting to Scottish football. wasn't he brought to try and levitate Rangers away from that? The one certainty is that and radical change wopuld need time. Even if Le Guen had been closer to Celtic and still in the CIS Cup then the work was still there to be done.

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Gormless Strachan,

'Ballons de Con', Bellshil 07/01/2007 12:01:07

aplogigies f4r the teepos in lassit pist

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Jingling Geordie,

Sunshine on Leith. 07/01/2007 12:11:52

#3 Leon

Some good points here. It pains me to see this wee Paisley naff, the master of the square ball pass, emerge, apparently triumphant.
He couldn't hack it in England where he was found out in his first season.

I'm reliably informed that in the early days, when out to dinner with his captain, Le guen asked for a glass of wine while the wee naff asked for a bottle of Buckfast, "it's guid stuff paul, yeah ken what a mean big man?"

If my memory serves me correctly, was Walter Smith not asked to leave Ibrox to facilitate Warnink's Advocate? and while Ally McCoist was a prolific goalscorer so too was Kenny Dalgliesh and what did he do in management?

I do not have much time for either of the big two Glasgow teams but I did admire PLG and he WOULD have proven himself in time.

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Cotter,

Poland 07/01/2007 12:12:09

Barry Ferguson is the problem here, he really is a wee rat and it is ironic that the rangers fans can't see it. He couldn't make it in the Premier league and he can only just scrape it against the likes of Dunfermline, who only knows what people see in him.

Any player who disgruntles his manager will quite clearly have a direct effect on the players. I am not saying Le Guen isn't a catalyst here however I still rate him as a football manager be it with all the reported tactile problems and unsuccessful past 6 months.

It is apparent to myself that Le Guen did not and could not attain any respect off supposed professionals such as Barry Ferguson.

The question is why not? What was Fergusons problem with Le Guen?

I wonder......

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Edith Piaf,

07/01/2007 12:12:13

# 43. It was Watty who encouraged the drinking culture that put paid to the development of many young players in his first tenure and helped precipitate the descent into chaos of the lives of other more established international signings.
You'll be able to remember examples of both yourself, if you know so much about the man's management style.

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Alberto.,

07/01/2007 12:14:25

Business Acumen!

Picture the scene– as they say!

Chair/person and Board of Directors of a Company (?) - (the money!) considers the ‘workforce’ is somewhat lacking in its endeavours, and not achieving the desired and absolutely necessary results for their peace of mind – and bank balances, which is really what it is all about!

What do they do to try and reverse this ‘lost its way’ feeling?

They advertise and choose a new Manager, in their consideration as the best needed / available to ‘fit the bill! Apparently, selection was made, regardless so I understand that he would have a tremendous task in communication with the failing ‘workforce’ due to a language problem. –This, I would have thought, should have seemed extremely obvious to Board members if concerned or interested in the appointment, and that communication was an absolutely essential requirement for the job at hand!

In their wisdom (?) they seemed to expect instant results, but it seemed there was a mammoth problem to overcome, and it appears, a tremendous shortage of tools (Cash!) for the job, to stand any chance of success, especially in the short term!

From this situation, apparently, some, definitely one, member of the ‘workforce’ thought he could do the job better than the appointed Manager – not uncommon in the commercial world, and was not shy of letting this assumed knowledge be known!

Not a good atmosphere, or situation, to allow in any kind of business where co-operation is essential – and especially in this type of employment !

Naturally a Manager cannot accept such ridiculous behaviour when it is undermining his endeavours - nor should he have to. Therefore he ‘demoted’ the employee concerned which seemed to upset a number of folk – although, for some of those upset, the decision was not really a matter of their concern – no matter their interest!

Apparently the Chairman and ‘The Board’ felt they could not support ‘their’ appointed Manag

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Dick Young,

Isle of Lewis 07/01/2007 12:17:20

To suggest to the sage readership that LeGuen left without a penny is condesending in the extreme.
On termination of any contract where the terms have not been broken, compensation is paid.

To the clowns on here who have brought in reference to child abuse, wipe the spit from your keyboard, turn off the computer and let others debate on a sensible level.

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Media 1,

cape town 07/01/2007 12:20:37

Barry Ferguson is the poison challice at Ibrox at the moment, but I cannot see Walter Smith taking his nonsense.

If Ferguson is popular with the fans, Smith is beyond popular as well as friend of Mr Murray's. Ferguson would be best advised to keep his mouth shut and his head down.

He has hi-jacked his very own club from within and must surely be put on the transfer market as soon as possible.

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greenhill,

glasgow 07/01/2007 12:41:24

Why was he asked to return his suit and tie ? That seems bizarre. I guess that it was a symbolic gesture of humiliation like the old fashioned military degredation ceremony where epaulets and medals were ripped off disgraced soldiers before they were shot or dragged off to the glasshouse.

On the other hand perhaps in these hard financial times Rangers will recycle the suit and tie and give them to the new manager.
I wonder if Alex Mcleish was allowed to keep his suit or did Murray keep it to pass on to Le Guen.

This could be dismissed as a small matter but I think the real reason for this bizarre request would shed a lot of light on Murrays attitude to Le Guen

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Shirley,

Southampton 07/01/2007 12:43:53

#49 Edith Piaf.
Apologies, for my lack of knowledge. All I know is, Smith is a respected coach and has done a decent job with Scotland.
My point was, I can see why Murray appointed Smith (it`s probably his last throw of the dice), but, why McCoist?
Sorry if my posts have offended anyone, and as a member of the weaker sex, will always bow to the superior male intellect, as per Seamus etc.
Edith, you`ll "regrette tout" for putting me down. Handbags at dawn madam(e)!

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Bert,

07/01/2007 12:54:31

I think we've lost a great manager. When he goes to his next club and makes a success of it it'll show Rangers players up for what they are. And this is coming from a Gers fan. I'm disgusted.

Players unhappy because he tries to up their fitness levels by running a few more miles. Players not able to give up the drink. Terrible. Professionals? Don't make me laugh!

Boyd has been drinking in my local now and again and the feeling is he likes a drink a bit too much. All these clowns don't know they're born.

The least said about Ferguson the better. What manager would want to take a job where the chairman will back a player over him? Whoever does should make sure BF is not the captain.

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Let's all laugh at Rangers,

Tampa Bay, Florida 07/01/2007 12:56:45

Dunfermline 2 - Les Orcs, and it's now even half-time!

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Let's all laugh at Rangers,

Tampa Bay, Florida 07/01/2007 12:57:16

Dunfermline 2 - Les Orcs 0, and it's not even half-time!

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fordwych,

07/01/2007 12:57:25

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"and what did he (Kenny Dalglish) do in management?"

Not much I suppose ,other than 4 league championships in England with 2 different clubs.

Oh and 2 FA Cups,1 double and 4 English "Manager of the year " awards.

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THE James,

Lincoln 07/01/2007 12:59:29

Shirley,

I think le Guen was Murray's last throw of the dice. He gambled that a top class coach would succeed without a big transfer spend, because Rangers can no longer afford big transfer spends.

We may all end up with egg on our faces if Rangers appoint someone else next week, but Murray no longer has any options. After the le Guen debacle, only a Rangers man such as Smith would touch that job.

At almost 60 years old, Smith will be no more than a safe pair of hands until a better candidate emerges.

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eric,

lothian 07/01/2007 13:47:15

Good Luck to Rangers .Scotland needs a strong Old Firm

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BillWatson,

Canada 07/01/2007 14:03:40

I am glad the Le Guen has gone. If there were these problems within the squad it was up to him as manager to solve them. The fact that he failed to do so tells its own story.

However I feel that this should not be the end of it. BF has behaved in a manner unbecoming to the captain of Rangers. I hope the new manager makes it clear that BF has played his last game for the club and that it will be in the best interests of all concerned if he finds himself a new club asap.

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FINLAYBAR,

kent 07/01/2007 14:18:31

How on earth can rangers stick by Barry 'the brain' Ferguson and rid themselves of PLG.

This guy would have taken them forward away from the drinking club culture that is still obviously present at Rangers. Yes Ferguson is a Rangers icon but any captain that would seem to intentionally split a dressing room is clearly not worth his salt.

Ferguson is also a clearly limited player but at least he s loyal if we ignore his highly sucessful stint at blackburn in the big boys league!

PLG has a proven track record in a country with a top league. He inherited a team of mostly complete duds. He had next to no funds at Rangers. What were Rangers fans expecting exactly?

Now you lot are going to steal the Scotland manager just when we need him most. If Ferguson is so great get the wee ned to manage your lot.

Good team that Dunfermiline!!

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Ian,

07/01/2007 14:19:03

PLG WAS SACKED - EVERYONE KNOWS IT

By the way - when Rangers were making their comeback the Rangers fans were pathetic. One brief song after each goal and that was it. There was not any real vocal oomph pushing them on. I'm a Jambo but Celtic fans would have been totally different - they are one set of Weegies that would not have shrugged their shoulders.

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hendybhoy,

Scotland 07/01/2007 14:23:51

Rangers have been rotten all season, and where out played by a much better dunfermline side.
as for Barry Ferguson if Walter gets the Rangers job I hope he never plays for Scotland again his childish actions could have cost the country a great manager, so long as his beloved troo bloos are ok though I'm sure he wouldn't give a hoot

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Ian,

07/01/2007 14:26:41

# 64 - GOVAN REVOLUTION ? WHY SHOULD IT BE ANY DIFFERENT TO THE SO CALLED FRENCH ONE THEY MADE A MESS OF. DO NOT GIVE THEM UNDESERVED POTENTIAL CREDIT WHERE SO FAR NONE IS DESERVED.

# 65 NEXT TO NO FUNDS ? HE SPENT £4,000,000 ON 4 PLAYERS.MANY CLUBS WOULD SELL THEIR SOULS FOR THAT KIND OF SPENDING POWER. NO TEAM OUTSIDE THE OLD FIRM COULD GET ANYWHERE NEAR MATCHING THIS. WAKEY WAKEY !!!!!

WHAT A SHAME FOR ANDY WEBSTER - PAUL RITCHIE II - THE SEQUEL. WEBSTER YOU ARE A WRETCH.

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Brian,

07/01/2007 14:37:04

MediaOrc - wrong again. It's the Pars, not the Gers, who will be playing your second team in the next round.

Quite a refreshing article from D Tullet. It tallies in many ways with the French newspaper, Le Telegramme (Fri 5-1-07), which reported that "the very popular Barry Ferguson" had led "the local players" against PLG because the latter's tactics were "too complicated."
Poor Barry, his wee ned head just couldn't accommodate the thought of playing modern European footballing tactics. The Baz, darling of the Scottish media, prefers to run aboot like an eejit... the boot route... shouting and bawling, get f*ckin intae thum.
Aahhh, the devil you know...

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the boxerman,

warm and humid Canada these days. 07/01/2007 14:50:35

Interesting article.

After todays debacle at East End Park, there looks like dire days ahead for Walter. I will be unhappy as a Scotland fan to lose our good management team.

However I think Walter has let his heart rule his head. I think his heart would love to bring Rangers back to their former glories. However with little money, and it will take a few bob to clean out some of the rubbish that is there now. Also they are still paying off some of ecks remnants.

As a Celtic fan, there arent many current Rangers players, that would I want on the Celtic team.

I think Walter will regret this. He has a mountain to climb.

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Let's all laugh at Rangers,

Tampa Bay, Florida 07/01/2007 14:51:23

#64 Media 1 re the "Govan Revoluion" - you sum up in these few simple words EVERYTHING that is wrong about Rangers and their arrogant, bigoted, deluded and clueless support. Celtic will be running circles around you guys for years as long as these views remain.

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Media 1,

cape town 07/01/2007 14:53:21

Hhahahahaha! I have an imposter at 64.

Priceless, you know your doing someting right when a certain person takes the time to pretend he's you...

hahahahahahahahahahahahah!

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Media 1,

cape town 07/01/2007 14:58:14

Actually its not just 64, its a few more than that..

Awesome! I am not sure who it is that is pretending they are me, but the fact that they want to be me is a sign of the control I have over them...

This is great!!! lol

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Phil,

Oxford 07/01/2007 15:17:14

"Thirdly, and most importantly to Le Guen, he left without a penny in compensation, but with, he believes, his dignity intact. He did not ask for a pay-off. Indeed, having returned his Rangers suit and tie, at the club's request, the only tab being picked up by Murray is the cost of his move back to France."


That one came straight from Moonbeam Central.

If you believe the conversation went something like this:

David Murray: "Haw Le Guen, what would you rather have, £2M to which you are contractually entitled, or your 'dignity'?"

PLG: "Le dignity, Monsieur! Nous sommes les peepil!"


...then you probably have the IQ of a Durrant!


The facts are, PLG signed a non disclosure agreement, which indicates he and his backroom staff were compensated, and now the Murray lie machine is free to go into overdrive with a compliant Scotch media onside.

BTW, good result for Dunfermline today. I can't wait to see the "dream team" take over at Ibrox. With a squad full of alcoholic duds and no money, it will be hilarious to see the Rangers fans turn on Uncle Wally.

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the boxerman,

warm and humid Canada these days. 07/01/2007 15:43:36

Well at least I am happy enough to discover that Wattie is retaining the Scotland job on a part time basis.

He can quit when we are eliminated next fall. Hopefully we can get a few results for the tartan army before we go out.

Then he can concentrate on getting Rangers back on track. I reckon it will be years before Rangers are anywhere near being a decent team.

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peter peter,

07/01/2007 15:46:35

media
Are you honestly claiming that someone has used your username in post 64?
Is that what happened to you on Friday?

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ayr bear,

07/01/2007 15:50:08

How can anyone possibly make comments about the Rangers team being alcoholics, or that Barry Ferguson was trying to alienate foreign players etc. Because the fact is that no one REALLY knows what goes on inside Ibrox, what causes people to act the way they do. All we have to go on is the press, and unfortunately it seems its the tabloids that have too much influence on fans rather than barry ferguson

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gr8fulcelt,

Paradise Island 07/01/2007 16:01:02

I am truly amazed by the number of of posters here who speak of BF as Mr. Rangers, true blue loyal right to the end. I mean, this is the guy who walked out on the team when they were down, turned his back on pleas from all and sundry that he not leave, and took his big paycheck from Sugar Daddy Souness while thumbing his nose at Rangers fans: "he couldn't get motivated any more" - you can't get motivated when you're second best to do better??? Rangers fans must be forgiving lot right enough. I'll be interested to hear from some of you guys what exactly you think BF does that improves Le gers as a TEAM!

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the boxerman,

warm and humid Canada these days. 07/01/2007 16:01:33

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Ayrbear, where there is smoke there is fire. I am afraid all of it may not be true, but no doubt, a lot of it rings true and you know it.

I think PLG may have taken you forward but feel he may have been shortchanged and not given the chance to get it right.

Rangers are in deep trouble now, no doubt about it.
There will be no 20 million war chest for wattie this time around. I am happy enough being a tim, but it is always a bit more exciting when Rangers are semi competitive.

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peter peter,

07/01/2007 16:05:13

Yes but did he go or was he sold? He was the only sellable asset that Rangers had at the time and they needed the cash. No-one will ever know for certain what happened over that transfer but there is certainly a lot of doubt on what the real story was.

Media. Where are you?

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nearlyneurotic,

07/01/2007 16:06:42

Did ye see big Ecks face in the sky studio,while commentating with Nicholas?
His grin was from ear to ear and back again. At one point he had to bring in Nicholas or

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nearlyneurotic,

07/01/2007 16:08:14

#81 continued
he would have burst out laughin!!

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Bob dublin,

ayrshire 07/01/2007 16:12:07

Durrant says he would die happy being manager of rangers, even for one day. Well how nice,, after sundays performance he might consider suicide

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Tarquin,

Cheshire 07/01/2007 16:14:05

# 45 Gormless Strachan, please point out all the "mindless bigotry" in my post.

Can I just add that pointing out another's bigotry does not make one a bigot? Otherwise, you would be a bigot for falsely accusing me of bigotry.

Also, please explain your username. You see to have a problem with the Celtic manager's intellectual capacity. Are you also prejudiced against the less-enlightened among us?

Just how deep does your bigotry run?

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michan,

France 07/01/2007 16:35:03

I DO think that MOST Rangers supporters are narrow-minded bigots.What if YOUR star Ferguson REALLY was a lager lout ? I am not defending PLGoon, as some of you said,but it is actually pathetic to see such comments.
Long live SPL AND French soccer.

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Scota Nostra,

South of the Wall 07/01/2007 16:37:40

Media 1, return to your village immediately, they have not been able to secure a replacement idiot. I have read your predictions over the last few weeks with incredulity. If you are in Cape Town, I suggest you apologise to the local witch doctor. Ask him nicely if he will return your brain. You are no more a HoML supporter than than the Pope will be the next Rongers manager. Good luck in finding your brain.

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nearlyneurotic,

07/01/2007 16:40:21

Sir Wantaway,.... don`t you think you should just have went ?
What`s your next move? Wattie and Coystees first signing is .......GATTUSSO!
But honestly, would the facts that are happening chez Ronjeurs be any stranger than my fiction.

Dunfermline are currently last in the SPL, huvnae scored a goal in the last month and rattle 3 rapid past Rangers without so much as a whimper of a response.
Durrant,live on telly yesterday said he welcomed Barry back and gave h