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Published Date: 27 July 2008
Raith Rovers 1
Smith 29

Rangers 2
Novo 70, Cousin 78
THE sight of Carlos Cuellar hirpling from the field only 27 minutes into his first appearance of pre-season would have proved as painful for Walter Smith as the horribly limp victory his team produced in their final warm-up game before their midweek Champions League tie against Kaunus. Over-stretching in a challenge, the Spaniard immediately gestured that he could not go on.

Smith must be fearing the old Ibrox ailments curse is descending once more. In addition to a host of long-term casualties – most notably captain Barry Ferguson – Kevin Thomson did not figure against Raith after twisting his ankle in training and Lee McCulloch was not involved because of a throat infection.

But the condition of the club's player of the year Cuellar is of greatest concern, with a calf problem sustained yesterday now likely to keep him out for a fortnight.

"He will miss Wednesday and could miss the second leg," Smith admitted. "He was an excellent player for us last season and of course we will miss him, particularly after losing Barry Ferguson for so long. But we have strength in depth and cover for him."

At Kirkcaldy that was provided by Kirk Broadfoot, who moved inside from right-back as Christian Dailly was brought on to fill the berth he vacated. Rangers conceded a goal only two minutes later. And for an hour, the trip to Stark's Park was a grizzly affair for Rangers in every possible respect. And to Smith's credit he didn't skirt round that fact. "There were no plus points apart from the fact that now means pre-season is over," he said.

The Ibrox men seem far from being in a state of readiness for their midweek curtain raiser. They were devoid of invention or drive against opponents cuffed 4-0 by Dundee United only last week. Alarmingly, even before Cuellar was forced off, they seemed strangely soft and get-at-able in defence. His withdrawal may well have contributed to Raith's strike, but not as much as Allan McGregor did. He caught a header from Iain Davidson in the air, then saw it squirm from his grasp as he landed and was helpless as Kevin Smith tapped in from close range.

The Rangers manager consistently defended his one man up front formation last season by maintaining that it was not numbers in attacking areas that dictated a team's potency. Yesterday, his forwards proved that point. Kris Boyd partnered Jean-Claude Darcheville and Kenny Miller pushed up from the left but the trio appeared completely out of sorts.

The encounter turned when Boyd and Darcheville gave way to Nacho Novo and Andrius Velicka and further life was breathed into the visitors' ranks when Kyle Lafferty and Daniel Cousin replaced Charlie Adam and Miller in the 76th minute.

Novo made an instant impact when, eight minutes after appearing against his first Scottish club, he fastened on to a through ball from Miller that followed a neat flick from Velicka and beat David McGurn with a confident drive which the keeper got his body in the way of but could not prevent going under him. Lafferty made an even quicker impact. He had only been on the field for little more than a minute when he thundered down the left flank before sending a ball to the back post that Cousin scrambled in. "He showed good pace and helped lift us," noted Smith.

However, there seemed something cursed about the day for Rangers from the moment the teams stepped on to the field. You could hardly tell which side was which… a theme that was to develop over the two hours that followed. Rarely, indeed, can there have been a more blatant example of a colour clash. It was a white-out. With their other change kit yet to arrive, Rangers sported their second strip of white jersey with aubergine arms while Raith Rovers, in their wisdom and to the chagrin of referee Steve Conroy, chose to kit themselves out in half-white, half navy blue strip with navy-blue arms. Conroy swithered about delaying kick-off and asking Raith to sport a suitably different outfit, before reluctantly agreeing to let the issue go. Only until the interval, though, after which Raith re-emerged in an all-navy top.

Off the field too, demarcation proved problematic after the Kirkcaldy club sold tickets for the home end to Rangers supporters on the understanding they would not display colours. That was never going to last and quarter of an hour in, under police instruction, there began an exodus from the home end as Rangers supporters were shepherded to the other side of the ground.

Within minutes, however, the passageways and perimeter areas of the stand were clogged up with bodies as it seemed half the end wanted re-housed. Matters turned farcical when a couple of Rangers supporters being led round got into a shouting match with fans in the main stand and it was decided to order all visiting fans in the home stands back to their seats. Rangers fans could be sitting uncomfortably in their own home stands over the coming weeks.


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Teary Ennui,

27/07/2008 00:10:40
There is plenty of cover for Cuellar and Thomson and McCulloch should be fit for the Kaunas game. Hopefully the team can up their game a bit when it comes to the real thing.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

27/07/2008 00:16:08
I have to say, as a Rangers fan, that Walter, IMO, has made a mess of improving last season's squad.

What was needed up front was the sale of Cousin and the purchase of a quality replacement. In midfield, a permanent deal for Davis and the addition of one more flair player. And in defence, an additional year for either Weir or Dailly (but NOT both), and an investment in a talented younger player.

What we have is a plethora of moderate strikers and one young man who's signing is difficult to understand; a gaping hole where our midfield should be; and the same defenders as last year, except they're all a year older.

Will I run up the white flag, Walter, or would you prefer to do it yourself?
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Richardinho,

27/07/2008 00:18:36
What happened to the 30 million pounds ragners supposedly got from Europe last season? Plus the Hutton money and the Setanta money, Rangers should have 40+million quid to spend on players.

Shouldn't they?
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BEMUSED EXILE,

27/07/2008 00:27:15
I doubt if that's a serious question, but I'll make an attempt at an answer anyway.

RFC's total European income last season was probably a lot closer to £20 million. But income does not remotely equate to profit. The profit from Europe, after all overheads, is probably in single-figure millions. Even throwing the Hutton money into the pot probably only creates an actual "profit" figure of around, at most, £16 million.

£6 million of that has gone on three strikers, leaving £10 million for a club that started last season with official debts of £26 million, a figure that SDM surely wants to reduce.

So, I can't see there being very much left at all.
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Teary Ennui,

27/07/2008 00:27:29
#3,

Rangers have spent a fair bit so far (more than Celtic, for example) and I have no doubt more will be spent.
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KILBOWIE,

27/07/2008 00:32:05
Amazingly downbeat posting, Bemused, considering that your team has still to kick a ball in anger. Pre-season kickabouts tell us absolutely nothing, & while we are all a bit BEMUSED by Walter's signing policies, we will know nothing until the real action starts.
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Bob dublin,

27/07/2008 00:55:50
#6 but it doesn't present a pretty picture.
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chazbud,

27/07/2008 00:59:52
bemused, you sound pure gutted, i am too, Smith has made the wrong choices again, he done it too last january, maybe last preseason as well, its becoming a habit, poor transfers and sticking with his pals dailly, mcculloch and adam.he said after today, the perfrmance was worse than previous games in germany, how bad must it have been today? coz i seen the other game on setanta and heard first 2 friendlies on Rangers World, and they were terrible.Now the big man is out, i fear that he goes with dailly and weir at centre, i thought broadfoot was good next to weir against better opposition than kaunas in schalke.its poor.
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paulmac,

surrey 27/07/2008 01:04:23
I would imagine it's the injuries to key players that are more concerning for Rangers fans....
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chazbud,

27/07/2008 01:05:57
no not really, the poor standard of player in the squad is a concern, and the fact our manager has seen different priorities for the team from everyone else.
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paulmac,

surrey 27/07/2008 01:18:19
It does seem odd to purchase 3 strikers.....when you already have 3 possibly 5 others on the books....

That would suggest...there are/were plans afoot to sell some of the strikers already on the books....

However the fact there has been no movement out so far before the CL game...and the league less then 2 weeks away....has shot any game plan to pieces to bring midfield players in....

The injuries being frequently picked up....has compounded the whole situation...

The 3 striker purchase....just doesn't make sense...especially the amount of money spent in doing so!
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Richardinho,

27/07/2008 01:28:58
'RFC's total European income last season was probably a lot closer to £20 million'

That's odd given that the figure that was announced was 11 million.
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Richardinho,

27/07/2008 01:30:48
'Rangers have spent a fair bit so far (more than Celtic, for example)'

Celtic don't need to spend as much money as Rangers this summer. They already have a strong squad in place.
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chazbud,

27/07/2008 02:17:15
#18 what law of averages? hes played enough time to score goals, he hasnt done it.He needs a goal in midweek, or the stories will fly.
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chazbud,

27/07/2008 02:44:01
keep playing him till he scores? what if he doesnt score at all? honestly
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Fayneant,

NZ 27/07/2008 04:09:57
Early season squeaky bum time is upon us again. Surely even a patched-up rusty mis-firing Rangers can dispose of Kaunas, hopefully buying us time and a kind draw for the 3rd round. If we get to the CL proper the cheque book will come out again, otherwise it's going to be a long, tough season and the heady optimism of last May will be a distant memory....
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Leon,

27/07/2008 04:28:57
OK let's look at this way: You play a constantly boring,demoralising 4-5-1. Total anti-football the Ibrox way.

At the start of a new season you want to strengthen your squad-who do you buy given your plan of 'attack'- defenders? midfielders?, after all that is where you concentrate your players.

No!! you buy forwards!!! Doooh!!
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Daillyman,

27/07/2008 05:04:05
23 Leon

You are correct we got what we wanted and we will live with it.

WS got us to 3 finals, winning 2, and 2nd in the league in his first full season back as manager.

The off season has brought some new strikers in, but we are in need of some midfield reinforcements.

We must try to offload some of the surplus that we have in the squad to free up some money for wages, I think this will be done before the transfer market closes.

The coming CL qualifiers are a must win, even with the injuries the other players who will step in are expected to do a job for us. Hoping that we get past the Hearts 2nd 11, and that some midfield players can be brought in.

Our aim is to make the CL group stages, but the priority should be to win the SPL title this coming season
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27/07/2008 05:14:05
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Daillyman,

27/07/2008 05:26:31
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" all you have ever wanted was a current bun to take over"

A narrow minded comment, but should we expect anything else.

BF is injured through no fault of his own, we just have to get on with playing the matches and using the players at the managers disposal for the time being.

Buffel ? Yes he was sold, good skills but injury prone, played what in last 2 seasons maybe 10 matches. I am sure in you're eyes he might have been the answer, but not for me.

Have a nice day.
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Daillyman,

27/07/2008 05:29:48
29

Yes we did finish second in the league to the tic last season.

But lets not forget,

Scottish Cup winners 2008

CIS League Cup winners 2008

UEFA Cup finalists 2008.

How did you're cup runs go last season?
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CALEDONIACO,

The Emerald City 27/07/2008 05:36:51
If you get off to a BAD START in the qualifiers.
If you get off to a BAD START in the SPL.
If you get off to a BAD START in the cups. You should all thank your lucky stars that this Guy is not a bluenose

See Attached (only in America)!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7526628.stm

4 In a row coming your way!

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Daillyman,

27/07/2008 05:41:31
32

But he does look like a tic supporter. Beware WGS.
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Leon,

27/07/2008 05:54:20
Champions - the last 16 in Europe - bright fast moving entertaining football. Class players in McGeady, Naka, Mcdonald. Pushing, thriving creative midefielders.

Just loving it!
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Fayneant,

NZ 27/07/2008 06:11:26
34 - Leon. And I'm sure you'll still be 100% behind WGS if the 'bright fast moving entertaining football' (are you watching the same Sellick I am?) doesn't eventuate at the start of the season and your Bhoys drop a few points?

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LEAL,

27/07/2008 07:09:13
Was Gordon Brown at the match,draped in a union jack and singing Rule Britania?Was he recounting the tale of his favourite sporting moment,when Gazza scored for England against Scotland in Euro '96?
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BOBO UMBONGONDO,

27/07/2008 07:32:22
The only thing certain about Rangers this season is that many fans are realising that the king has no clothes, Smith's jaikit is on a very shoogly nail.
He got a free ride on the back of a team ready made by Souness previously, my granny would have trophies with Souness's legacy, time for a clear out at Ibrox from Murray down............before it is to late, don't feed me the fairytale of all the money Murray has invested at Ibrox, I happen to think the opposite is nearer the truth, and he has done very well from Rangers.
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BOBO UMBONGONDO,

27/07/2008 07:52:53
Well you got one thing right.......Shanks he aint !!
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27/07/2008 08:57:35
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27/07/2008 09:07:22
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Keyboard supporter,

27/07/2008 09:10:58
Yesterday wasn't great to be honest and we seemed to have picked up where we left off at end of previous season - i.e devoid of attacking impetus. Admittedly its early days but signing policy looks imbalanced. Why go for Loovens/Shittu when its evident to everyone that we're desperate for some full backs. The fact that Broadfoot, an honest trier, is still getting a game bears this out.Up front i still believe Miller will be decent signing and always rated Velicka at Hearts. Lafferty who knows but better judges of player than me seem to think the guy has something. However what was evident yesterday, and indeed pretty much all of last season, was our glaring lack of creativity in middle of park. Ferguson being injured doesn't help but would much rather have seen us invest what money we had in some width in the team. Some supporters seem to think that Beasley is the answer but he's far too lightweight & McCulloch and Novo is not what is required. Davis is woefully overpriced but in a market where the spectacularly ordinary Andy Johnson can go for upwards of £10 mill then perhaps £4 mill is what is required. We just have to hopefully get Kaunas out of the way on Wednesday and hopefully get some reinforcements in.

Dhims on here crowing have short memories (no surprise really) as it was only after the point when Vinegar scored that they stopped calling for Strachans head . The glue addled post at #34 stating bright, attractive football is not what the peasants in our local think. If he'd have lost the league last year they'd have been hounding him out the door faster than they can claim their giros'.

Lest they forget their own preseason results haven't been stellar but listening to some of the usual suspects on here you'd think the Champions League final was on the cards.

Keep the faith!!
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BOBO UMBONGONDO,

27/07/2008 09:31:32
BTO,did Scotland qualify, did Everton win anything, was it a job for the boys at Man. Utd, was Watties "success" despite Wattie and more to do with Souness's astute signings, as opposed to Seb, Prodan McCulloch and the cast of other diddies that are Watties signing record.
Your previous comment about forget Murray is a clear indication of your grasp on the reality of the situation......none. Rangers deserve better a lot better, failure in the transfer market because of £500,000, is in Rangers case a disgrace, how bad is it when you cannot negotiate a deal because of that amount, we are a big club aren't we ......??
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27/07/2008 09:33:34
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Survivor Of Riots,

27/07/2008 09:40:47
Nelson at Trafalgar, Patton in North Africa, the Riot Survivor in the war against Raging Ranger Syndrome.

All great generals, all great leaders of men and all fully committed to their cause.

Every one of us could tell you that the key to victory is ensuring that every one of your people, to a man, hold the belief that any short term pain, no matter how great will fade into insignificance in comparison to the glory of victory.

By keeping this belief amongst your people, you build the foundation.

Compare this with Walter (no surname and in whom we trust), when his troops where losing heart, when they lost sight of the finishing line, when they needed their general to reinforce their overall vision - what did they get from Walter (no surname and in whom we trust), the deliverance of what is now referred to as "Walters Mantra" - "Its ok to fail cos yer tired". After this mantra was used daily, the battle was over and his army of the damned was left completely devastated. So devastated that their is clear evidence that a recovery is impossible.

Nelson,Patton and the Riot Survivor would have had Walter (no surname and in whom we trust) hanged for treason.
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paulmac,

surrey 27/07/2008 09:43:54
I think we will find that most of the cash from Rangers European run last season will have been used to bring their debt back to where it was at the start of last season....

Which makes the Kaunas game so important...

With the injuries they have...the old 4-5-1 I would imagine will be enforced again
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Survivor Of Riots,

27/07/2008 09:48:03
JR - No worries. Glad you enjoyed.I think it may have something to do with the time and the volume of traffic over t'internet...was decent stuff from the hoops
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Thane of Kirkcaldy,

Dancing in the Streets of Raith 27/07/2008 09:48:06
Well played Rovers. Hopefully the start to a positive season and promotion.
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Survivor Of Riots,

27/07/2008 09:49:14
55 - they did (ultimately) - and the dip can be traced back to "Walters Mantra".

Walter the destroyer!
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Mr Weir's sore chuff,

27/07/2008 09:58:28
Well done!

58 posts witout any mention of religion.
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Survivor Of Riots,

27/07/2008 10:49:15
JR - yep, definately some poor performances after European games.

This is where the squad players need to prove their worth rather than having a whinge about lack of first team opps.

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Richardinho,

27/07/2008 10:53:14
See the bhoys got a 1-0 win over Porto last night, VofH getting the goal in the 88th minute. He looks on fire at the moment.
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sonofcosmos,

glasgow 27/07/2008 10:54:00
#35 to generalise..celtic fans can be over critical...and rangers fans not critical enough...
i remember a radio clyde phone in when after a rangers fan had made the not unreasonable point that he was concerned that the sale of hutton mid season could cost rangers the league..the next 3 calls were rangers fans lambasting him for saying such a thing..
on the same phone in a celtic fan complained that mcmanus had given big jan the captains armband when he was substituted with about 3 minutes to go...the next 2 callers were celtic fans agreeing how this was a disgrace and jhov had no right to ever wear the armband..it sort of summed up the difference (and radio clydes phone in )
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chazbud,

27/07/2008 10:55:01
#59 thats because the southern irelanders are not here today!

#61 you have at least 10 high earners in the squad and another 14 on good money and out of your masive squad you have 3 very good players, international class players in the diddy in goals, mcgReady and nakamura(sometimes, 3mins out of 90), thats it, i was surprised u beat porto, then i seen their line up, its understandable, WGS done this at his previous jobs, built massive squad lacking in quality and they all fell out with each other.
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chazbud,

27/07/2008 10:57:07
#64 radio clyde is so biased, its a joke, keevins, walker and martin...the septic fc love in!
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sonofcosmos,

glasgow 27/07/2008 10:57:28
#60 i suppose we werewnt helped by the fact that after our 10 cl games 7 were followed by an away domestic game..funnily enough rangers only had 3 away domestic gamres after their 10 cl games..but the spl were so against them xxx
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chazbud,

27/07/2008 10:58:31
#67 conspiracy.....listen to yourselves....
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Manfaefife,

Kirkcaldy 27/07/2008 10:58:39
After last week's defeat to Dundee United, the sight of the Rangers team sheet made me reach for the calculator, but how wrong I was. Lets not forget there were 2 teams on the park and Just as most people said Rangers played badly how much of that was down to Raith Rovers Playing well, give some credit where it's due. For 70 minutes we more than held our own against a top Rangers team, Davidson and Campbell snuffing out the Rangers strike force. If Kaunus had reps at yesterdays game I fear for Rangers in midweek.
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chazbud,

27/07/2008 11:00:46
#69 its a poor rangers team, not a top team, anyone fancies there chances just now, and did all 4/5 teams we have played ALL play well then? coz weve been rotten ALL pre season, apparantly someone said rangers will step it up for competitive matches, i cant see it
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Survivor Of Riots,

27/07/2008 11:10:15
69 - WIth QOtS in the Uefa cup this season, I am not sure that Scotlands co-efficient could handle ReaRangers failure against Kaunas.

However, it is evident that Walter (no surname and in whom we trust) wanted to have pre-season games against "fodder" to build up to the Kaunus games. The German amatuers, Clyde and Raith, were in his view the games in which ReaRangers would stroll through with Kenny Misser rattling in a few goals.

Unfortunately it has backfired spectacularly for him and he has understimated the effort those teams would apply.

His players still don't seem able to lift their effort against teams who make them work for their living (see "walters mantra"), he still gravitates towards the Wattenaccio for tactics and Kenny Misser is demonstrating 100% what we already know - he is a striker with an astonishingly poor strike rate.

There is now no more preparation time, and his chronic underestimation of Kaunas will see them fall at the first hurdle this time out.



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chazbud,

27/07/2008 11:15:33
#71 your spot on except, we will scrape past kaunas, but its not enough.the next round we could be out unless we get what we all know we need, a centre half and 2 classy midfielders.he has to stop playing negative footballers like adam, mcculloch and dailly, they are not rangers quality, i dont know why he keeps playing them.
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Fayneant,

NZ 27/07/2008 11:33:30
Incidentally, thanks to the SoS for allowing the OF lunatics to scribble on the wall of the asylum again - it's been hard work these last few days trying to find a reasonably relevant story that had a thread open to vent the spleen on.

It would appear that it has had the desired effect of keeping the most irrational, obscene and/or libellous posters away - at least for the moment.

Off to bed now - will this thread still be open in 8 hours time?

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Fayneant,

NZ 27/07/2008 11:38:00
64 - its academic. The sooner both sides appreciate and acknowledge that the more - shall we say - 'traditional' members of the fan club have their heids up their pupeshutes and need to wake up and realise it's the 21st century, the better.

Neither side is innocent. Both are guilty.

The entrenched support of Old Firm are Scotland's shame.
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chazbud,

27/07/2008 11:38:19
#73 lol well said, not sure.
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chazbud,

27/07/2008 11:39:13
#74 its all good, ur lucky ur so far away.lol.
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chazbud,

27/07/2008 11:40:00
#76 you are a wierdo, in denial, typical tim.
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27/07/2008 11:40:59
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chazbud,

27/07/2008 11:41:24
you speak like one
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chazbud,

27/07/2008 11:43:56
i dont have to, read your own post, 76, its a disgraceful thing to say about Glasgow Rangers.The only people who bring "that" up on these posts are Celt*c fans.All the time.
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Stevebhoy7,

27/07/2008 11:46:28
have had a right laugh reading through this thread this morning. mot juste and riot survivor - yous are legends. have a feeling its all about to go pear shaped now though. shame
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chazbud,

27/07/2008 11:47:58
very good, very original, you think you are clever, im not biting anyways, but you do sound like one of them.The Rangers FC lol thats very proper.
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27/07/2008 11:49:25
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chazbud,

27/07/2008 11:49:41
#85 coz you are here steveBHOY?, i dont understand why Celt*c fans have to get a wee word in on The Rangers threads anyway. Dont you have your own?
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chazbud,

27/07/2008 11:50:50
#88 no no, i understand the truth perfectly, you just have an inbread hatred of ALL things Rangers.
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Stevebhoy7,

northants 27/07/2008 11:52:05
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eh? just cos i support celtic? well worked out. dont be daft
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chazbud,

27/07/2008 11:53:18
#92 you would just love us to get humped, eh
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chazbud,

27/07/2008 11:54:34
#95, no, you do, your nutz

#94 no-one has mentioned it, behave yerself.
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2Pasquenade ,

27/07/2008 11:56:29
Good result for Celtic last night thanks in no small measure to two great saves from Artur one of which was stunning.
For the last 20 minutes of the first half we could hardly get a foot on the ball after a very bright start.

The balance of play didn't change very much in the opening period of the second half, but the defending was much more assured and organised ...Mark Wilson looked great at left back and McManus was solid.

The goal was a corker : beautifully flighted left foot cross from Hartley and Venegoor lost his markers to bullet a header into the net , goalie absolutely no chance.

The game was pretty much full on, and if we can match that second half performance in our three away CL games, we WILL get points on the road this time around.
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chazbud,

27/07/2008 11:56:50
#96, no, as someone said before, these games should have been fodder, trying to help misser score goals, trying to get darche fit, trying to improve daillys skills etc etc, it has backfired horribly, do you know Walter said he was happy with preparations in Germany, unbelievable, we are playing Liverpool next week i think, that will be interesting without King Carlos.
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chazbud,

27/07/2008 11:59:22
#99 thank you

#102 "stunning save" does that make him 15m now? lol remember no top club wants him, hes not good enough, hes a good SPL keeper, probably second best in Scotland.

PS Porto Reserves. Can Vennegoor keep saving you in the last minutes?, thats a few times its happened.
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#109 thats funny, you do get them.
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#11 i couldnt have said it better, they are scoring goals for fun, they dont have injuries galore and they have a wee left foot magician who scores from free kicks(something we dont have at all), i think we will scrape through this and the next round will be like the champs league proper, it will be solid.With current squad im not confident, i think they are poor.
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chaz

honestly, i think the gers will humpp kaunas home and away, sadly. the next qualifying round may be a banana skin. from celtic's point of view, will be good if yous get a good UEFA run again. not as good as last year though, obviously
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2Pasquenade ,

27/07/2008 12:13:04
Rangers go into the Kaunas tie without Ferguson and Cuellar, two players who would otherwise be first on the team sheet.

They have been spectacularly unimpressive in their friendlies and struggle to score even against the poorest of teams.

Previously I had thought that Rangers would edge it past Kaunas, but am far less convinced of that now.

If I was laying money on it, I'd probably still back rearrangers , but it would come as no surprise were they to go out.
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27/07/2008 12:22:04
2Pasquenade,

Didn't see the match last night, but I was reading about it on Celtic.net. Am I right in saying that Celtic finished with 7 defenders? (Hinkel, Caldwell, McManus, Wilson, Caddis, Balde, O’Dea)... What was that all about?

Good to see Scotty Brown get the MotM... I've a feeling we're going to see the best of him this season.
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delighted? are you kidding? for an extra half a million? davis is a great player, just what yous need. personally, i'll be delighted if those words come back to haunt you
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Caddis came on for Robson and Balde came on for Donati .

It seemed however that Balde was playing like a centre half most of the time that he was on but this all happened in the last few minutes as I recall.

We were sitting quite deep at that stage of the match, and the emphasis was on thwarting porto , so whoever was making up the numbers, defensive qualities were the order of the day.

but we showed that we could contain porto pretty much absolutely (by then) whilst carving out one or two chances for ourselves, one of which was converted.
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27/07/2008 13:01:53
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"'RFC's total European income last season was probably a lot closer to £20 million'

That's odd given that the figure that was announced was 11 million."

£11 million was the direct payment from UEFA. European income also includes separately negotiated TV rights, gate receipts from 9 home matches, etc. Total figure probably well in excess of £20 million. It doesn't change my point though. The actual profit from Europe was probably no more than £10 million, set against debts of £26 million at the start of last season. As for the Hutton money, that's paid for the 3 new strikers, so is now gone.

Therefore, not much money left, I'm afraid.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

27/07/2008 13:12:12
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I can't be held responsible for the hyperbolic claims of the foolish.

Financially, we are boxing with one hand tied behind our backs, which makes it paramount that we purchase with wisdom.

Alas, Walter hasn't done this.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

27/07/2008 13:28:22
Pax.

We've got the exact same defenders as last season, and Cuellar's injury is minor, so I would debate the idea that we're "significantly weaker" in that area. I would like to see another younger, talented defender come in though.

The best move for WS now though, would be to sell Cousin and Boyd for around £5 million, let SDM add £1 million to it, and use the £6 million to buy Davis and the Sunderland lad Ehutu to strengthen our midfield.

Strangely, despite all my reservations, I'd actually be reasonably happy with that squad!
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sonofcosmos,

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keeping on topic..
ferguson plays all season with ankle injury ..puts off an op..then doesnt need one ??? then he does..out for around 4 months..walter.."its a different injury " !!!
cueller out with a calf injury...rushed back with the kaunas game looming..out with a calf injury..prob for at least 2/3 weeks...walter "its a different injury"..d'oh xxx
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McGregor

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BEMUSED EXILE,

27/07/2008 13:49:56
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Not really sure of your point there.

If WS says that these are different injuries, then I suspect that they probably are.

If you're less than 100% fit, and trying to compensate for a weakness, then your chances of incurring an additional injury increase. I'm sure that if they were the same injuries, WS would simply announce that the injury has recurred. I don't think that any reasonable person would hold him personally responsible. He's a coach, not a doctor or a physiotherapist.
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27/07/2008 13:52:45
Pax.

I reckon you might find a place in your squad for Hemdani. And let's not forget our absent friends Cuellar and Ferguson (a player you love to hate, but a decent footballer all the same.)
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#139 i disagree..everyone..even yourself could see ferguson was toiling towards the end of last season..and everyone knew he had put off an operation to finish the season..then mysteriously no operation was needed..until oops first day back at training ..ankle gone..needs an operation..do you not think that keeping ferguson going because of the potential quad last season was bad enough..but i wonder if smith hoped ferguson could then hold off until at least the vital first cl qualifier..which smith has said is bigger than the uefa cup final..

you are naive to think smith ..like all football managers will spin things to suit themselves..
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#141..oops insert "would not" instead of "will" in the last sentence
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27/07/2008 14:01:54
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Sorry, mate, but I'm still missing your point. You're a bit of a conspiracy theorist, to say the least. I reckon that Cuellar could limp off holding a different leg to the original injury and you'd still convince yourself that it was the same problem.
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27/07/2008 14:04:05
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It is a game of opinions, but if you believe that you have anyone at CP who is a better defensive central midfielder than Ferguson, then this is where we differ.
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27/07/2008 14:05:16
Bemused ~139.

I think you might find that their insurance company would be VERY interested in whether or not it is the same injury.
If it IS the same injury, I suspect that they would be suggesting that the club are guilty of exacerbating a known injury, & would deem them to be at least partially culpable of causing any further damage.
From Walter's position, it HAS TO BE a different injury,...whether it is or not.
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#144 funnily enough he limped off holding the same leg..
regarding ferguson..ill type slower so you understand..
1. did ferguson toil at the end of last season ?
2. were you under the impression (because rangers said so ) that ferguson needed an operation ?
3. was it your understanding that ferguson put off the operation due to the dramatic situation rangers were in ?
4. what was your reaction when you were then told ferguson didnt need an operation ??
5. is it that far fetched for rangers to hope ferguson could last until at least after the first cl qualifier which could have drastic reprecussions for rangers if they lose ?
6. and were you suprised that ferguson now needs an operation ?
hope by answering these questions it helps you realise what my point is....

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BEMUSED EXILE,

27/07/2008 14:12:06
Kilbowie.

I don't know how that side of the business works, but surely if an insurance company suspected a cover up, they would seek a second medical opinion from a neutral specialist. How much potential trouble could WS or RFC be in then if it was shown that they had knowingly lied in public?

I reckon that on this particular subject, WS has no real option but to tell the truth, and I reckon that these are, therefore, different injuries.
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That's all good and well, but I was talking about Ferguson, not Hemdani :)
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Scotland to win all their WC2010 qualifying matches. It's time we made another Finals.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

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I can't see how typing slower would change anything, unless you are unable to make your point logically whilst typing at speed.
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KILBOWIE,

27/07/2008 14:20:03
Bemused, I was not making any judgement on whether or not Barry Ferguson is suffering from the same injury, or a different one.
I was simply saying that there would be EVERY reason to avoid saying that it was the SAME injury.
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27/07/2008 14:20:40
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It's very different to the Lyon situation, with RFC currently actually needing match practice, and Liverpool will provide a quality of opposition that will prepare Rangers for what might await them in CL qualifying round 3.

Oh, and 50,000 fans at £20 a head won't hurt either.
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sonofcosmos,

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#158..bemused..come on thge typing slower line was a joke..
my point is either rangers forced ferguson to play while he was unfit ..which is dreadful..or ferguson..still drunk on being powerful enough to get rid of plg..demanded to play and put off his operation ..which is pretty poor..
sad you didnt answer my earlier questions and that would have made sense..xxx
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BEMUSED EXILE,

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Sometimes I don't know that answers to questions!

But I still reckon that Barry's injury is a different one. Your theory is sexier though, so stick with it.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

27/07/2008 14:36:53
Here's Walter's full explanation of Bazza's current problem.

You can choose to believe or not, but I reckon WS is being truthful.

http://www.rangers.premiumtv.co.uk/page/News/NewsDetail/0,,5~1342286,00.html
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KILBOWIE,

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170,.. I probably shouldn't bother, but Celtic released Steven Pressley over a month ago.

Decent & dignified big guy. I hope he gets fixed up somewhere soon.
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27/07/2008 15:29:53
As everyone knows, this season is Walter's last stand, but there hasn't been a whisper about that in the press.

Last season, with two title's and a last 16 place already under his belt, the laptops were continually questioning whether Strachan would remain Celtic's manager this season, pretty much from the get-go.

I have not seen any journalist utter a bat squeak of acknowledgement that Walter faces the bullet should Strachan take Celtic to a fourth consecutive title.

I have read a number of articles about the "pressure" Scot McDonald is under to show that his first season with Celtic wasn't a "one off". A spat between Strachan and ONE supporter during the Fulham match prompted numerous articles about the "cool" relationship Strachan has with "the Celtic fans".

Walter goes out and blows his tank on three strikers , none of whom are likely to take the jersey from either Boyd or Cousin or even Novo though it pains me to say so.
Walter signs a player that has brought howls of protest from legions of rearrangers fans.
Walter faces the boot (again) from Minty if it all goes belly up.

Not a word about it.
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Ajax MacKindling,

27/07/2008 15:57:43
Rangers have signed a few, but its doubtful that they have improved on what was there.

Celtic have signed no-one and so they are no better this year either.

Nothing to choose between the squads last year as the sharing of trophies and Euro runs show.

Thankfully the silly season is just about over. Bring it on.

Its
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I think Velicka could be the best of the new strikers signed, Lafferty in my opinion is a longer term investment. I just hope that WS will give the former Hearts man a run in the side as his fitness level should be ahead of the other strikers having been playing in Norway. This will be a tough qualifier in the CL with our lack of quality in midfield, just hoping we go through, 4-5-1 this week?
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Daillyman

I agree about Velicka, liked the look of him when he was with Hearts and I'd start with him.

We'll have to see how Lafferty develops.

The midfield choices are all defensive and I can't see how we will move the ball back to front.
I reckon Rangers will do it, but given the obvious lack of sharpness at this stage of the season it'll be a dire display. Penalties anyone?
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BEMUSED EXILE,

27/07/2008 16:58:09
Going off at a tangent slightly, but shouldn't journalists, who are professionals FFS, at least avail themselves of the simple facts?

From today's Sunday Mail...

"Gers boss Smith is reeling from the loss of star stopper Cuellar who'll also be sidelined for the SPL opener at Falkirk on August 9.

He admitted last night Cuellar - last season's Football Writers' Player of the Year - may even be out of the return leg in Lithuania in a fortnight."

The game in Lithuania is BEFORE the Falkirk game!

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Bemused has the wee one arrived?
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Afraid not. The little pest is now 9 days overdue and my girlfriend is booked in to have him induced this coming Friday, although she's still hoping he comes naturally before then.

She was sure she was having him on Thursday night. She woke me at about 2am, got her friend to come over to look after the kids, and she even had the go-ahead from the hospital to come straight in. But the contractions promptly stopped. It's been in the 80s for the last couple of days down here and she's getting fed up.
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That's very unfair and unrealistic. The Lithuanians are at the peak point of their season and fancy their chances.

Of course RFC should win, but I only need to mention Artmedia to make my point.
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Daillyman,

27/07/2008 17:26:23
Reading the Graveson thread and the reporting if he sees out the full term of his contract he could be in for a 9.24m payment over the 3 years.

He has made 22 competitive starts for Celtic,(he will not feature this season as per WGS) for an average match fee over the length of the contract of 420k.

I can see why he loves life at Parkhead.
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I still remember well RFCs 2-0 win against Zeta at Ibrox at this same stage last season. We were pretty abysmal and scored two very soft goals, and as Coisty pointed out, Zeta had been really lucky to beat Kaunas, who he thought were clearly a better side, so the warning signs are there.

Yet, from that humble beginning, we went on to perform decently in the CL, then went all the way to the UEFA Final.

The start is always tricky, but if you negotiate it, you can build momentum.
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My mistake, should be less the 2mil transfer fee. So the average match wages drops down to 329k, still a lot of money.

7.24 mil over 3 years is fantastic money, and does include 1mil in loyalty bonus money.
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I would like to see Velicka start this week.
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Aye, probably the same way that Moravcik dismissed Artmedia's prospects against Celtic.

It's very early season, our pre-season form is not good, and our two most influential players are missing, so I'll take absolutely nothing for granted.

I'm hoping for a 3 goal victory to kill the tie, but I'd settle for a 2 goal margin, and I fear that we might have to settle for a single goal lead. But let's wait and see.
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As much as I like the effort Novo brings to the game, I think he is a more effective player coming out the dugout with 30mins to go, his enthusiasm seems to lift the players on the park, and he has scored some vital goals coming on as a sub.

MacGregor
Whittaker Wier Dailly Papac
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27/07/2008 18:02:43
Bemused Exile - you bluenosed ReaRanger types are even looking for an extension to the human gestation period!

At least you have the full support of the Riot Survivor on this one.

Good Luck!
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27/07/2008 18:10:46
#201, #204

See my team back at #131

That's 3 different versions. What's the betting that none of us is right?

SOR With my luck, the labour will clash with the Rangers game.

I hope that my girlfriend understands.
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Well I've a wedding to attend in Lerwick in a couple of weeks, if you're up wetting the babys head give me a shout.
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BE - its Karma in all its glory!!

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NN, can we look forward to your usual anti-ref diatribe next season (despite them gifting you 12 points and the league) or will you just be anti-Gers?

I think you should try being pro-Celtic, it would do wonders for you.
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Lithuania Fox Network?
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"Would you prefer Craig Levein like?"

To you? I think he just shades it.
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Och it'll be on somewhere, but I wouldn't pay to watch it.
As with every pre-season qualifier its a huge banana skin with everything to lose and nothing to gain.

I'll walk the dog and find out later, summer is too short to include Europen football!
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223 vekkinhell vee play zee skumbags of Europe

Try supporting your own team, you'll find it strangely more rewarding that just criticising others.

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27/07/2008 20:57:34
223 vekkinhell vee play zee skumbags of Europe

Try supporting your own team, you'll find it strangely more rewarding that just criticising others.

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Despite Gravesen's contract and Balde's for that matter, Champions Celtic continue to dominate Scottish football and show record profits.

Both Balde and Gravesen will be gone this time next year which will free up around 70k a week in the wage bill.

Or three excellent players. So after 4 in a row, Rearrangers will be down to their last brass farthing, Walter oot on his €rse, and the Celts taking in two or three top players...but in terms of the balance sheet, Champions Celtic will be 'as you were'.
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Orpheum,

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Serious question, not meant to raise the ire of the Blue Brigade or the Scottish Clans, but why is Scottish soccer so much inferior to the English and European game? Watching what we get of it on the screen
it always appears like schoolboy stuff in comparison to other countries.
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2Pasquenade ,

27/07/2008 23:00:29
Rearrangerz fans must be looking gloomily into their beer tonight.

Cuellar and Ferguson oot knackered for Kaunas and beyond, Walter's broke or more accurately, Minty's broke, scoring goals is like getting blood out of a stone , and to cap it all, KM is back.

Whilst champions Celtic travel to Porto and keep a clean sheet against the portuguese champions whilst scoring a superb winner, Rearrangers are scratching around for an equaliser against Raith in their final friendly before Kaunas pay them a visit.

The omens are not good for rearrangerz.
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Just seen the JVH goal against Porto. Absolutely brilliant preceded by a succession of passes through just about every Celtic player all over the field.
Celtic looking lean and hungry.
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Fayneant,

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320 - Celtic looking lean and hungry(!)

You really need to stop reading that gay porn Rich.
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'celtic and rangers have both looked sh!t'

I half agree with you. Rangers have been sh-it.
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Daillyman,

27/07/2008 23:31:31
340 thepudit

Calling RFC supporters hunnies or hunsontherun, or referring to RFC as F T P FC, is definitely not sectarian in the eyes of Pax.

It is after all only childish name calling and one has to remember the source.

I think we have all heard the same stuff for a long time under numerous name changes, that he just does on his own to keep things fresh.

Best to leave him to debate with himself.
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Der Kaiser,

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#351
Not that I want to come between the beautiful relationship you've got going on at the moment, but can you find the time to repeat your comment about Messi being predictable to the point defenders will gradually find it easier to defend against him. It made me smile you see.
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Thread closer.

Going on you're history on these threads, it more likely you will again contribute to the threads being wiped out.
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Der Kaiser,

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#365
Doesn't always go the same way. I mind him making Scholes looking like a pr@t in their game against Man U. Doesn't matter though as he could do that move all day and he'd still leave defenders flat. The lad is a genius. Dribbles with the ball so close to his feet with lots of quick touches (same style as Maradona). Defenders will only find it easier if FIFA impose sanctions on him demanding he wear lead boots and a blindfold to give teams a chance.
Can only dream of when Scotland will produce this type of player.
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See the racism/sectarian card has been played.

I'm off................
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Richardinho,

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#347 watch the goal against Porto. It is a thing of beauty.
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27/07/2008 23:47:51
365 thepundit

Messi is a wonderful talent, and very unpredictable.

If he has the beating of a fullback wide he will do it all night if he can, but he is a danger coming inside off the wing and is a danger coming through the middle straight at defenders. He has great skills.

I was at the U20 WC final last summer and at least 4 of the lads who played for the winning Argentina side could walk into the Celtic or Rangers line up. Sergio Aguero being the best of the bunch.
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At 21 he has time on his side, and if he can stay away from the injuries there is no telling how good he will become.
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Orpheum,

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#289 I pleaded not to raise the ire of the Scottish Clans but I guess that there is one in every crowd who mistakingly takes a white cloth to be a red rag. To-wit,
In Canada we play Football to Canadian Rules..CFL
I the U.S. the game is played to American Rules..NFL
In Baseball the Toronto Blue Jays have won the World Series twice in the last ten years. Are one of the richest teams in the League and sport the biggest Stadium with reclining roof and seats for 46,000.
In Hockey, this years Stanley Cup Final was played between Calgary and Montreal both Canadian teams to refresh any knowledge of geography.
And for this years Olympics please be sure to watch Canada's Women Soccer Team whose game I must say is better than the Mens' as it is in most countries.
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Daillyman,

28/07/2008 00:03:45
News flash to Pax,,

"this is actually a football thread"

End of news flash.
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thepundit

You are better coming on the threads later when you can have some banter about the football with some Celtic supporters who want to talk about the game.

The decent ones from earlier have now left for the evening, and you are left with,,, well you can see what you are left with.
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Daillyman,

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The Toronto baseball team plays at the Rogers Centre capacity 50k.

They last won baseballs championship in 1993.

In the ice hockey final this year Detroit won the Stanley Cup we never had a team close from Canada.

The Canadian women do have a shot at a medal.

But hey dont let facts stand in the way of a patriotic post
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I agree with you wholeheartedly,,, please practice what you preach.
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Daillyman,

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Who is Changed name?
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Broxiebear,

On the M8 28/07/2008 00:31:58
Bigot MMVIII your time is up.

You have been found out for what you are - a bigot. Leave this site and let true football fans enjoy it. There must be loads of wee tadger sites for tadgers like you.
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I have found it best not to engage Pax in any debate as he invariably wants to drag it down to sewer level.

Just glance over the last 150 posts read his posts and tell me how many were about football. Enough said on that waste of fresh air.
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No.412, we do need to confront it. So go and never return. You are the main cause of bigotry on this site.
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No.421 aye and worst of all he pretends it's linked to football. I'll bet he never even goes to a game.
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Well said.
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How do you think we will do this Wednesday?

I must admit I have not been this nervous in a wee while, I am hoping for at least a 2 goal cushion to take away from Ibrox.

I am hoping to see Velicka get onto the park, if anything he should be fully fit and is a danger up front.
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No.425

I bet he's on here causing upset because deep down he's bitter and twisted about something that happened in his childhood. Maybe he tried to bully a wee protestant lad and ended up getting a doing.
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I tend to think it would have been a wee girl who gave him a doing.
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28/07/2008 00:46:13
ah think we will win on wednesday but only if Walter starts with Nacho and Boyd up front. We should forget Misser he's no Rangers class. I'd also like to see Whittaker in midfield on the right with Thommo and Hemdan in the middle and Lee oot wide on the left.

I think it's 2-0 on wed and that'll see us through.

Follow follow
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428 thepundit

If WS can bring in a couple of midfield players in this transfer window (and he will),, and with the players who are injured start returning to the squad, I would be very optimistic of Rangers winning the SPL this season.
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As Broxi said Whittaker plays on the right side of midfield, had all hands been on deck I would have played him at right back. After thinking about the line up and I posted one earlier this morning, I would go with,

McGregor
Broadfoot Weir Dailly Papac
Whittaker Hendami Thomson McCulloch
Velicka Boyd

Novo brings a lot to the team when he come on with 30 mins left and I think he is one of the few players who makes an impact straight away when coming off the subs bench.

I'll take 2-0. With Boyd netting both

 

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