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Nakamura lights up mundane victory



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Published Date: 13 January 2008
CELTIC 3
Vennegoor of Hesselink 37, McDonald 71, Nakamura 75

STIRLING 0

FOR his technique, vision and ability to see things others don't, Celtic manager Gordon Strachan declared Shunsuke Nakamura superior to all other players he had worked with on Friday. A group in which he dared even place the venerable Kenny Dalglish. As he does with the Japanese playmaker, Strachan was gilding the lily. But in an otherwise unremarkable fourth-round Scottish Cup victory over Stirling Albion, Nakamura provided a moment that served to lend weight to his manager's claim he can produce precious moments beyond mere football mortals. And reminded fans of the creative spark that Celtic have been missing in the 10-week injury lay-off the player ended yesterday.

Maybe it is easy to conjure up a glorious 20-yard curling finish when your team is 2-0 up against beaten, heavy-legged opponents destined to slip out of Scotland's second tier. Maybe, though, unless you possess a special talent, it is never particularly easy to wheel round, wrap your left foot round a ball and then send it into the top corner of a net as if it had been drawn there.

"That was good," Strachan said of the goal. "It was good to see him back even if you could see he was rusty. But we had to play him because there are a lot of games coming up; more important games." The Celtic manager declared the Stirling win a "job well done", while admitting "it was never going to be a classic; it could only be an upset".

Nakamura's strike brightened an afternoon that Stirling, in admirable fashion, made a dour struggle until Scot McDonald fired in a cut-back from Lee Naylor four minutes before the Japanese man's 71st-minute strike. Even discounting the presence of new £1.9m signing Andreas Hinkel and the return of Nakamura, Celtic might have been expected to have a freshness about them. Yesterday was their first outing in a fortnight, after games against Rangers and Motherwell were postponed following the death of Phil O'Donnell, to whom the fans paid tribute with a raucous minute's applause before kick-off. Instead, Celtic were along familiar lines and exhibited familiar faultlines.

Hinkel appeared aggressive, purposeful and engaged, as should have been the case with a 17-times capped Germany internationalist on his debut for a new club. "I was impressed, the coaches were impressed and his team-mates were impressed," Strachan said. "He gives us balance." The signing from Seville insisted he could give more, and knows he must when Celtic face Rangers a week on Wednesday. "I didn't play in the last few weeks and need more games to get my rhythm," the 25-year old said. "I need a little bit more power but enough time to get that before the Old Firm game."

The same need for more could said of others in home colours yesterday. Largely, they were inspirationally-challenged. Nakamura could be excused any real criticism on that front, even before he scored. Sidelined with strained knee ligaments since the win over Motherwell in October 27, early on he appeared to be working his way back into the competitive environment in softly- softly fashion and it wasn't until the 43rd minute that he succeeded in shimmying his way to the byeline and whipping over an inviting cross. Celtic fired in plenty of these in the course of the opening period, but Scott Christie in the Stirling goal proved an assured figure. He was, however, helped by the struggling Massimo Donati, Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink and McDonald. All pushed headers either side of the posts.

Celtic's Dutch striker wasn't the worst culprit and, for all that his languid style has earned him few admirers among the club's faithful of late, he comes in handy when the mission is to put away lesser opponents. He set Celtic on their way to doing that when he stooped to meet a cross flipped in from the left by Aiden McGeady and planted a header in the sweet spot, low to the right of Christie. In his role of provider, McGeady zoomed down the right and settled for an early cross instead of over-cooking the beating of men that blotted his display. Scott Brown besmirched his performance, meanwhile, by giving Stuart Devine some afters to earn himself a booking shortly before the break.

Stirling did an admirable job of stifling Celtic. When they found themselves requiring to retreat, the massed ranks of red shirts in and around their penalty box gave a manful impression they were sticking to a game plan. "They can walk out of here with their heads held high," Strachan said of the First Division side's efforts. Allan Moore certainly had his men organised, and willing to break on the very rare opportunities this option was open to them. Ross Harris was unfortunate with a neat chip in the 40th minute and only seconds after they went 2-0 down, Artur Boruc was required to produce a superb reflex stop to deny Laurie Ellis. "We came here and gave a good account of ourselves," Moore said. "I was worried going into to it that we might be hammered but 3-0 flattered Celtic. If we had scored when Boruc made the save it would have been the icing on the cake." Of a stodgy recipe, it must be said.

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1

Keyboard supporter,

13/01/2008 00:35:42
Glad to see Donatti still being first choice - he's utter gash!
2

aficionado de ?,

barcelona 13/01/2008 00:46:17
hey 1 and 2

tomorrow could be a day for a "FAIRYTALE" win in the cup for east stirlingshire, oh whats that ,u don,t think so, well ur very reseptive to fairytales , were u not jumping throo "HOOPS" last week when u read of sir moonbeams latest one aka WALT er DISNEY WORLD GOVAN
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13/01/2008 00:54:36
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aficionado de ?,

barcelona 13/01/2008 01:00:39
turning to drink to forget is only a short term solution, be careful when u wake in the morning u may find yersel bead "RATTELIN"
5

Swordsman,

Dublin 13/01/2008 01:07:30
BTO..Part time team? You have Rolf Harris in your ranks...Must be worth a few bob with his painting and decorating business!
Keyboard Supporter..I think that Aficionado De? has had a few Estrella Damms but I get the impression that he was having a wee dig at Mr Murraygoriums Wonder Emporium...
6

Jock Stein's Messenger Bhoy,

13/01/2008 01:08:20
A win's a win. You can only beat what is in front of you. But Celtic must improve to regain the top spot in the championship race.
7

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 13/01/2008 01:11:29
look forward to celtic being able to play there first eleven for a few weeks in a row...boruc wilson doumbe kennedy naylor nakamura all missing large parts of the season..todays team is at the moment our top eleven..a good run together will see their potential
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13/01/2008 01:12:17
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13/01/2008 01:14:40
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Industrial-EBM Bhoy,

13/01/2008 01:14:53
So Mr Smith.
Belittling Celtic again.
Selective memory allows him to forget that Devine fouled Brown first and got away with it.
McGeady blots his displays by over cooking his beaten men. Apperently.
After a wrongly given corner, a ball over the side line but allowed to play on, a push from behind on Hinkel, an over the top 10 yard offside not seen and the best was Skippy being flagged offside when it was an oppisition player who had last touch, I would say that Celtic didn´t play their best football today but did more than enough to earn a 3 goal win with a clean sheet in the face of incompitant officials.

Mr Smith is also trying the old "fans don´t think much of JVoH, he can only score against weaker teams", etc.
Saddo. Try a new(tral) angle in future...
Lets se how your team play tomorrow...
11

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 13/01/2008 01:17:44
#11 again i have to agree these lets spin a negative take on celtic to wind their fans up is becoming wearisome..
#9/10 glad to see some realism from, you to x
12

Finnharp,

Canada 13/01/2008 01:18:31
Startn to hear the same wee stories creepin in to the posts, A win is A win #7, Ive watched to many games go through the cracks, boruc same was big difference, Stirling had some good chances. Rangers will take 3-0 before kick off, unless we get some arrigant lets say posters on here, given us 6-0 7-0 8-0.
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13/01/2008 01:19:53
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sonofcosmos,

glasgow 13/01/2008 01:21:28
#14 but then you have always been smart enough to see what is going on x
15

Swordsman,

Dublin 13/01/2008 01:22:31
"flying a kite"...Nice euphemism for talking baloney to deflect attention from the fact that on the same day that Boruc signed a new deal,Hinkel put pen to paper and the latest japanese star was being courted by the Hoops,Mr Murraygorium announces his plan for a new fun factory on the south side of the city.

You rightly say that most right thinking 'gers fans were of the "what nonsense" persuasion!...
Reminds me of the "Field of Dreams" crap we had to put up with a la Terry Cassidy...in the early nineties...Football Chairmen,What are they like??
16

Finnharp,

Home 13/01/2008 01:25:48
Do you really think a new stadium is what is required at Ibrox. Money for new players, its bad enough trying to keep 50,000 happy never minder 70,000. Spend on players generate CL cash then look for an investor. Or does the wee hand shake mob have an angle on a new stadium through the commonwealth games committee, all masons.
17

aficionado de ?,

barcelona 13/01/2008 01:27:30
no9 jist a wee joke to get things going ,i fully accept ur answer

no 10 lubo, i may be wrong but i don,t think he made his debut against rangers , i remember listening to the radio before that 5-1 drubbing of the moonbeams and was ragin when i heard he was upfront instead of burchill, shows how much i know lol

no-11
andrew smith is the former editor of the celtic view , i agree his stuff is a bit over the top but like nearly all celtic minded journos they take this line when dealing with celtic , WHO IS OUR BIG DERECK JOHNSTONE? ,can u name anyone celtic minded in the media that sticks by his team "thick" and "thin " like he does with the gers?
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13/01/2008 01:28:54
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Raskolnikov,

St Petersburg 13/01/2008 01:30:18
#10 - Keyboard Supporter - You almost made some sense there. Only problem is, Moravcik didn't make his debut against Rangers. His first game was at home to dundee.
20

aficionado de ?,

barcelona 13/01/2008 01:30:44
FIELD OF DREAMS
"build it and they shall come", aye all over there sunday mails last week lol
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13/01/2008 01:30:46
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13/01/2008 01:31:43
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Keyboard supporter,

13/01/2008 01:32:44
#21 - No Rangers fan honestly buys that pish. It was almost Brian Dempseyesque!
24

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 13/01/2008 01:34:33
#22 well done on finding one to balance the johnstones the hatelys the kings etc etc...told you you were smart x
25

aficionado de ?,

barcelona 13/01/2008 01:35:33
no 22 oh be fair he is up against daryll -" would u let me refuel ur private jet sir moonbeams in return for the rangers exclusive that we are signing a left back but i dont know who it is -- king "billy"
26

Swordsman,

Dublin 13/01/2008 01:35:51
#19..check out Mizuno on you tube..might be a bit of a find.I dont really subscribe to the notion that eastern players dont have the "grit" to hack it in the rough and tumble SPL/EPL...besides,would you rather watch a hammer thrower than a gifted football player?Irrespective of which team he plays for,I know I'd rather watch the footie player.
27

Finnharp,

13/01/2008 01:36:45
RANGERS MANAGER Walter Smith has revealed that the Ibrox club are actively considering joining Celtic in the pursuit of James McFadden, what a joke. And a world class stadium.
28

aficionado de ?,

barcelona 13/01/2008 01:37:47
brian dempsey is o in my book ,i was outside parkheid in the pishin rain when he said thoes imortal words "the battle is over the rebels have won"
29

Keyboard supporter,

13/01/2008 01:38:37
#25 - Journalists of that calibre merely exist to give credence to the old "fan (dumb, stupid ones) with a type writer" adage.
30

Swordsman,

Dublin 13/01/2008 01:40:21
#29..yup! another self serving diddy that,when push came to shove,didn't put his money where his mouth was.Wee Fergus did EXACTLY what it said on the tin...much to the annoyance of the three amigoes!
31

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 13/01/2008 01:41:15
#28..love the idea of smith "actively considering" pursuing mcfadden..you either do or you dont..or look for a headline x
32

Keyboard supporter,

13/01/2008 01:41:41
#27 - I know its an easy stereotpye to pigeonhole them as but even your man nakamura has done very little against us. Free kicks aside i certainly don't fear his contibution against ourselves
33

Keyboard supporter,

13/01/2008 01:43:26
#29 - As long as you don't admire Matt Mcglone and his briefcase walking up and down outside the Celtic shop near Queen St station in the same time - he didn't know he was on the telly did he?
34

aficionado de ?,

barcelona 13/01/2008 01:44:43
wee fergus will be much more thot of as history will dictate that u are 100% correct, it was just a gud moment in time the dempsey speech, and signaled our dominance of scottish football at home and abroad
35

Industrial-EBM Bhoy,

13/01/2008 01:44:52
Sonofcosmos
Cue;....
Burke said the mighty don´t need to strenghten.

But they are interested in McFadden now?

Need to strenghten their stadium, maybe?

These hacks are doing my nut in.
Sometimes it´s so sad it´s funny. Though not always.

When I was a lad of 8 I used to watch the WWF wrestling.
I thought it was riviting.
There was the dirty tricks of the baddies:
with their managers pulling of the other fighters ankles.
wrestlers using chairs to smash their oppisites
knuckle dusters.
This was all out of site of the ref, of course.

Roll on nearly 30 years.

The good guys are Celtic.
We know who the bad guys are, Right?
The ref is sometimes a ref, sometimes a Scotland like figure.
The managers sometimes managers(dirty tactives), sometimes the media/hacks.


When Murray started buying into Stottish media with his already good contacts in and around it, certain alarm bells went off in many peoples heads.

That it would come to such an extreme head, that we would be berrated at everything we do we could never have guessed.
How could we?
36

Jock Stein's Messenger Bhoy,

13/01/2008 01:44:53
Only time will tell whether Mizuno can settle in to play in Scotland. Will he be a Nakamura or a Du Wei? Buying players like that can always be risky, but it can also be a good piece of business, considering merchindise sales. He is also very young. Personally, I would have him on board; he's a talented, tricky, pacy player.
37

Keyboard supporter,

13/01/2008 01:46:28
#32 - Without Hutton money we won't sign Mcfadden. Not sure i want him in any event. Flashy player but recent three up front we have been playing wouldn't suit him as he's not strong enough and has no pace - you'se are welcome to him
38

Swordsman,

Dublin 13/01/2008 01:46:34
#33 Fair point,but now the side has a better balance,you might just see the best of him in the coming weeks....
39

Keyboard supporter,

13/01/2008 01:53:00
#39 - I really don't see how Celtic have markedly improved as a result of transfer window ( i realise its not finished). To my eyes anyway you still need a centre half and someone alongside Brown (a motivated Jarosik possibly). I hope you play Donatti all day as he's utter pish and if he was Scottish we'd all acknowledge this - no better that the likes of Severin/Robson. Hinkel will probably be pretty decent but can't see new Jap playing more than a handful of games till the end of the season
40

Keyboard supporter,

13/01/2008 01:55:41
#27 - Don't do youtube i'm afraid - probably how we ended up with Sebo!
41

Industrial-EBM Bhoy,

13/01/2008 01:59:15
# 18
Missed that one.
Yet another "can´t be to nice to my team" sell out, like C N, etc
# 22
Cully only writes about celtic. Not abough the mighty.

That D J, H K, Hatley, Chick, etc, get to write their negetive nonsence about Celtic while playing up the mighty gers.
42

Swordsman,

Dublin 13/01/2008 02:01:43
#40 I was alluding to the steadying of the defence primarily i.e. Boruc re-signing,arrival of Hinkel and the return of Wilson/Doumbe from injury..Donati,I agree hasnt really set the heather on fire but given time he might make that wee step up.Mizuno may well be in the McGeady mould in that he will be one that will take a bit of time to find his feet,but when he does...watch him go!Half the fun of Footie is watching your established team but its also great to see the future stars too!
43

Swordsman,

Dublin 13/01/2008 02:02:42
#41 Damn!you saw through my cunning plan! lol
44

Keyboard supporter,

13/01/2008 02:02:48
#42 - DJ, Hately & Chick Dung (Don't know who HK is) - why concern yourself with the ramblings of the aforementioned - they aint exactly jeremy paxman!
45

Finnharp,

home 13/01/2008 02:04:17
A post on followfollow on the 12th. What an ejit, we'll
see come may
And domestically it looks like our team has rediscovered the knack of actually sustaining an SPL title challenge. Correct me if I'm wrong but, whenever Ra Sellick have faced a serious challenge, haven't they wilted and blown it? Here's hoping Walter and the lads keep the heat on and give us all a very interesting and entertaining second half of the season.
46

Keyboard supporter,

13/01/2008 02:07:57
#43 - Wilson& Doumbe both right backs so with Hinkel being first choice neither will play. McManus is pretty decent (poor of late though) but any one from Caldwell, Pressley or O'Dea ain't up to it. Caldwell is the best of that trio but extremely limited.
Agree with last sentiment though as personally looking forward to see Furman and Fleck hopefully tomorrow for Rangers
47

Finnharp,

home 13/01/2008 02:07:58
More nonsence.

However, somewhere along the line, something clicked and suddenly there was a bit of shape to our game and there was pride and passion in playing for the jersey. It was hardly 'Bring on the Barca' stuff but could any of us picture Rangers rubbing shoulders with Ronaldinho and his mates and emerging from it all with some credit just a few months down the road?

Of course, we are still raw from the way our Champions League campaign imploded but, although our early successes over Stuttgart and Lyon raised expectations, I always suspected our European future would lie in the UEFA Cup. Indeed, facing Barcelona, plus the champions of Germany and France, there were those who saw us as certs to finish at the foot of Group E, maybe even without a single point to our name.
48

Finnharp,

13/01/2008 02:09:13
#47 O'dea is the better of the three you mention, still young and needing time.
49

aficionado de ?,

barcelona 13/01/2008 02:10:38
34- when the rebels were outside in the pishin rain, mcglone appeared at a window inside , what a trumpet is rite
50

Keyboard supporter,

13/01/2008 02:11:13
#43 - Meant to also say about Donatti - Just do not see it in any shape or form. Give any player a bit of time and he can string a pass or a fancy flick or two but get in his face and he's clueless. If he was athletic and quick he might get away with it but too much spaghetti has passed his way i'm glad to say
51

Keyboard supporter,

13/01/2008 02:12:59
#50 - refreshing to see you didn't buy all his pseudo intellectual posturing - the guy was always an utter bawbag!
52

Swordsman,

Dublin 13/01/2008 02:14:30
again was trying to say that the strength in depth was returning to the Hoops after a quite horrendous injury list The capture of a proven CH and maybe someone to challenge Jimmy Vinegar of Castlemilk up front in the remaining two weeks of the transfer window might just swing things again!
53

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 13/01/2008 02:15:01
#48..fair play to rangers ..drawn from pot 4 and finished third...and im sure youll pass on the same well done to celtic..drawn from pot 3 and finished 2nd..which gets you into the lastr 16..(2 years in a row..not bad..) x
54

Keyboard supporter,

13/01/2008 02:15:58
#49 - Seen O'Dea in the flesh at last game at Ibrox and didn't really see anything out of the ordinary. I can excuse a young player for inexperience or rashness if he has decent fundamentals (Micah Richards with his athleticism and pace springs to mind) but i didn't think O'Dea was anything special
55

aficionado de ?,

barcelona 13/01/2008 02:16:44
i think he thot he was a cert to be a fan on the board ,he left his foot soldiers high and "dry" in the pishin rain and dissapeared inside to cuddle up to dempsey , DISAPEARED IS RITE anybody know what the weasel is doing now?
56

Swordsman,

Dublin 13/01/2008 02:17:58
#50 McGlone was the worst...Editor of Not The View and a self styled "Rebel"...soon as the chance came,he was in the door to join the other Apparachiks before you could say Hail! Hail!
57

Finnharp,

home 13/01/2008 02:20:41
#55 I agree with some of your thoughts, but last year hutton was not worth 8 million, Mcgeady was crap. We need these guys to get to about 23 24 25 and if nothing then i agree.
58

Keyboard supporter,

13/01/2008 02:20:45
#48 & #54 - Lyon match aside Rangers overachieved this year as when draw was made i and most others thought we'd get royally raped. UEFA cup was a bonus and although we won't win it a result against the greeks would be reasonable progress
59

Industrial-EBM Bhoy,

13/01/2008 02:23:51
# 45
Thumbs up
60

Keyboard supporter,

13/01/2008 02:25:24
#58 - Agree about Hutton & Mcgeady last year and stupid overinflated bid aside i think the formers outstanding. When i look at Premiership i really don't see anyone better. If you look at the top four teams and their first choice right back

Liverpool - Finnan
Man Utd - O'Shea(nevilles done)
Chelsea - Ferreira/Belletti
Arsenal - Sagna

With the possible exception of the latter, Hutton faults and all, is better than any of them.
61

Patrick O'Shaunnessy,

13/01/2008 02:26:17
As long as McManus and Caldwell can avoid tripping up over Darcheville's belly, they'll do fine.
Hinkel is a steal. Mizuno or whatever , on a free transfer , will prove a monumentally profitable signing. Apparently the guy has got everything except my good looks.
Celtic are turning up the temperature on Rangers who now know that our squad is beginning to cast a shadow over their's.
62

Tom More,

Canada 13/01/2008 02:26:21
#37 asked if Mizuno would be another Du Wei or a Nakamura. If he plays only part of one game before he's sent back to Japan, the same way Du Wei was returned to China after playing only part of one game, only then can you compare them. Somehow I suspect Mizuno will be given plenty of games to show his stuff, unlike what happened to Du Wei and, dare I say it, Derek Riordan.
63

Keyboard supporter,

13/01/2008 02:29:08
#62 - the missus wishes i was half as fat as Darcheville
64

Finnharp,

13/01/2008 02:30:22
#61 I agree Hutton is a good player, but is it just Rangers & spurs that see it, and I posted above the McFadden story "STORY" don't you keep your cards close to your chest in January or is this another Murray ploy, I find it strange AND even stranger that Rangers fans cannot except McGeady is a decent play. I will quote when he leaves CP, it will be for the same fee as Hotton or higher.
65

aficionado de ?,

barcelona 13/01/2008 02:30:43
ok i,m away to bed, thanks for the craic , keyboard , gud to talk to an ole cream bun that is actually only interested in his team without all the add ons and can take a wee wind up -ref #no3,respect man, but hey still hope and pray that we take the a-ss rite aff yi on the 23rd lol nite god bless
66

Patrick O'Shaunnessy,

13/01/2008 02:32:03
Some Rangers fans couldn't believe that they had landed Darcheville....but after countless injuries and an ever expanding waistline, it's beginning to look as though they've ben duped.
67

Swordsman,

Dublin 13/01/2008 02:32:46
If I were happy to be as half as fat as JCD,I would be suffering from CJD!
68

Keyboard supporter,

13/01/2008 02:38:17
#66 - Have a good night - I don't do add ons - its rangers and nothing else for me. These forums are mostly brilliant until the religious taleban get involved.
69

Keyboard supporter,

13/01/2008 02:38:48
#68 - Not bad
70

Swordsman,

Dublin 13/01/2008 02:39:30
Moooooo!
71

Swordsman,

Dublin 13/01/2008 02:41:11
Hi Gaijin Man...Normally its the troosers that are at half mast in Stirling...so Happy Days there eh? lol
72

Swordsman,

Dublin 13/01/2008 02:42:41
And the haircuts are from the Worzels book of gents fashion...
73

Swordsman,

Dublin 13/01/2008 02:50:03
Depends whether he was causing it by driving down the A9 the wrong way in his Morris Minor trying to find a petrol station that sold fuel at three and sixpence......
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Swordsman,

Dublin 13/01/2008 03:07:09
Congrats BTO..first to mention the "C" word,even in jest! Waiting now for the neanderthals to respond in kind....BTW thought that all the Stirling players were tims..Apparently,like myself, their eyes are too close together.So! lets get the picture straight (unlike the eyes of the Albion staff)We have keks at half mast,Worzel haircuts,skelly eyes and are unemployable in four fifths of the scottish job market!oh! and they are paranoid too!
75

Swordsman,

Dublin 13/01/2008 03:13:10
Song moment...Half man,Half Biscuit..."Dicky Davis Eyes"...
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Swordsman,

Dublin 13/01/2008 03:21:34
Classic stuff...Was in Dublin city centre a couple ago and paid a wee visit to Harry st,where a life size statue of Phil is sited..Had a pint of the black stuff in McDaids' opposite as a mark of respect Hic!
77

Swordsman,

Dublin 13/01/2008 03:29:52
Saw them in the Apollo in 78...Phil in his Scotland top and mirror scratch plate on the bass bouncing the lights back on the crowd....fab!
Apologies to the footie fans for hijacking the thread but sounds like this one is dead in the water ..Anyone wanna get back into the footie stuff?
78

Richardinho,

13/01/2008 03:34:29
Why are Celtic players always 'rubbish' whilst Rangers players are apparently 'world class'?

If that was the case then surely Celtic wouldn't have won the last two championships (fairly comfortably on both occasions), qualified for the champions League last 16 two years running and only one point behind Rangers in the current chase?

Couldn't be the buns having delusions of grandeur again could it?
79

Swordsman,

Dublin 13/01/2008 03:39:33
Richardinho...Love the attempt to resuscitate the thread!
I'm up for the fight at least until 4am then its goodnight from me as I'm working tomorrow!
Go for it!
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Swordsman,

Dublin 13/01/2008 03:45:26
eeeermmmmmmm post 85.....
81

Swordsman,

Dublin 13/01/2008 03:53:55
time to hit the hay guys...been fun as ever.take it easy!
82

Richardinho,

13/01/2008 03:59:13
Tell you something-someone who'd never been to a football match, and knew nothing about football, would scratch their head in confusion as to why Rangers players are consistently rated higher than Celtic players given the far superior record of Celtic over the last few years both domestically and in Europe.
83

Celtic Bhoy,

Carlisle 13/01/2008 06:31:25
Have to say seen nothing of the game today but dissapointed only winning 3 - 0. We will have to up our game, I would have expected to win this one by at least 6 - 0.

Mon the Hoops!
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CaliforniaBhoy,

Self evident! 13/01/2008 07:26:14
Stirling Albion were punching above their weight! Workman like performance from a bunch of part time athletes playing against million pound players. Could have been a completely different game, Boruc made sure it wasn't.

Great to see Naka back, freaking great goal too!! Hinkel looked like a gem in his debut! Looks like a class act/great signing for WGS!

Stirling Albion have nothing to be ashamed of-great job boys!

And great job bhoys!



85

CaliforniaBhoy,

13/01/2008 07:30:14
BTW Donnati HAS to score and Naylor will score-he doesn't have to though-just a bonus!
86

paulmac,

surrey 13/01/2008 11:03:42
Oh Dear

The Rangers v East Stirling game has been called off...

Due to a waterlogged pitch!?

After Rangers spending their money on putting down a new pitch not so long ago....you'd think the drainage would be up to scratch?
87

paulmac,

surrey 13/01/2008 11:28:05
#98

Possibly not as strange as pumping water onto yer pitch to avoid playing the school Jani's, council workers and bus drivers at Ibrox today!

Seriously though....waterlogged?!
88

paulmac,

surrey 13/01/2008 11:29:50
#100

I'm afraid it is....it's all over Sky sports.

I can see Rangers having to play 4 games a week soon!
89

Swordsman,

Dublin 13/01/2008 11:34:17
This means that the OF fixture will be up in the air as that date was conditional on NO replays in the cup....and thats when the 'gers will have to play the rearranged fixture..any thoughts?
90

Big Stevie,

Sydneyside 13/01/2008 11:36:51
It has been confirmed on the SFA website that the replayed fixture will take place on Wed 23rd Jan mening the old firm game will have to be moved again. And all due to the shoddy state of the Ibrox pitch. Or maybe its Sir Laugh-a-minute's new " floating pitch".

Rangers you can run but you cant hide.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

13/01/2008 11:42:35
The SFA ask the Old Firm to cancel league matches, in an unprecedented move, to "help" Scotland prepare for their Euro 2008 qualifier. Scotland lose.

Rangers, unnecessarily, ask the SPL to cancel their league game against Gretna to "help" them prepare for their big CL match against Lyon. Rangers lose.

Celtic then further exacerbate the situation by asking for an Old Firm postponement because the players "don't feel like playing" after the tragic death of Phil O'Donnell.

Now, it's a big mess for both halves of the OF, particularly Rangers.

You reap what you sow.
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Swordsman,

Dublin 13/01/2008 11:44:06
Ah I see it now...The pitch ISNT waterlogged,its just the first phase of Mr Murraygoriums Wonder Emporium being implemented...What next? Regattas for the true blues?
93

paulmac,

surrey 13/01/2008 11:48:23
#104...Stevie

They decided to lower the pitch last season....

Which affected the view of some areas of the stadium and now we find it has also lowered the pitch below the water levels in the area?

Makes you wonder who they employed to carry out the work?....when you see the current state of it and the loss of view in certain areas?
94

punjab-celt,

West Cork 13/01/2008 11:55:09
Oh,no!Does that mean the celtic v rangers will be moved again!I had booked my flights and bought my ticket,would have been my first old firm match in a long while,if the tie is moved again it sucks!Cannot believe Ibrox waterlogged,you cant make it up the fixtures are just stacking up for the gers!And all that money I will lose,is there any justice!
95

Big Stevie,

Sydneyside 13/01/2008 11:58:11
Paulmac 108

The pitch at Ibrox was first lowered several years ago to accomodate a few extra seats to pull in a few extra quid to try and plug the holes in the ,rapidly sinking' SS Rangers.

BE 106

Its totally out of order and very offensive to suggest that Celtic players were being insincere in their sadness for the loss of a former colleague and to compare it to the Rangers Gretna fiasco is nonsense.

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Patrick O'Shaunnessy,

13/01/2008 11:59:47
106
I don't think you can make Celtic the subject of the verb exacerbate.
I think circumstances compelled Celtic to seek a postponement, and it was in the end a decision by the SFA.
Celtic bear no responsibility for exacerbating the situation whatsoever.
In the final analysis, Rangers have played only one less league game and one less SC tie.
It isn't exactly an ocean of difference.
97

Pax V,

13/01/2008 12:03:04
Aye, that's harsh, BE, 106.

The outcomes of the postponements were not known when the decisions were made. All acted in good faith.

Any human being can well understand why the C v R game was postponed, and that decision was supported by managememt of both Clubs.

Your comment just displays your lack of class....again.
98

paulmac,

surrey 13/01/2008 12:03:56
#106

Ahhh...another snide remark from honest John...

"don't feel like playing"

The true you is slowly but surely seeping through...

The tragic death of Phil was no one's fault...

But according to your snide suggestive post...it's Celtic's fault the game was postponed...

It doesn't really matter who asked for the postponement...the fact is the game didn't go ahead...which was the correct decision....

For the record...Celtic's request was turned down...having turned it down the SPL did not have to discuss a postponement with Rangers...but they did...and the game was then postponed....again that was the correct decision.

It's pretty sad you feel the need to make these snide comments.....but you do...and they are becoming more regular.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

13/01/2008 12:04:20
Just to show you how drastic this situation is:

Wed 16 Jan Gretna V Rangers SPL

Wed 23 Jan Rangers V East Stirling SC

Wed 30 Jan Hearts V Rangers CIS

Wed 13 Feb Rangers V Panathinaikos UEFA

Thu 21 Feb Panathinaikos V Rangers UEFA

Wed 27 Feb Hearts V Rangers SPL

Thu 6 Mar UEFA last 16 first leg

Wed 12 Mar UEFA last 16 second leg

The only free midweek in there is Wednesday 6 Feb, but that is the midweek immediately following the Hibs V Rangers Scottish Cup tie, so would need to be the replay date.

As well as the OF game, Rangers still have to reschedule their postponed SPL match away to St Mirren.

It's looking difficult!
100

Swordsman,

Dublin 13/01/2008 12:04:45
Dont remember them lowering the pitch,but I do remember them tinkering with the width of it for a Euro tie.....
101

Pax V,

13/01/2008 12:07:47
BE, 115

The dangers is Rangers fixture congestion could expose lack of cdepth in their squad and result in them winning SFA.

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Pax V,

13/01/2008 12:09:00
S, 116

Aye...I think that's true. I think they were talking about lowering RFC moral standards too, but found that was not possible.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

13/01/2008 12:09:27
Sorry lads. Did I say something wrong?

My understanding was that Celtic gathered for a training session, and then made it clear to the manager that they didn't feel like playing the OF match, which is what I said.

I went on record at the time as agreeing with the decision. Check back if you like. My criticism was with the SPL, who should have cancelled the whole card.

To use one of Pax's favourites, you bhoys are certainly crossing the street to be offended these days.
104

Pax V,

13/01/2008 12:10:41
Pat, 106

I dont recall the buns being concerned about our fixture congestion in season 2002/2003.
105

Patrick O'Shaunnessy,

13/01/2008 12:11:32
Bemused you are simply "exacerbating" the situation by playing the fool.
106

BEMUSED EXILE,

13/01/2008 12:12:20
Pax.

If Rangers are exposed, it won't be because of a lack of depth. The squad is very big. Probably 30 players capable of holding their own in first-team football.

A lack of quality, maybe. I have no illusions about my team's limitations, but they are doing well. A fixture backlog however, could definitely work against them.
107

Pax V,

13/01/2008 12:13:25
BE, 119

Oh, I think your post is worthy of contempt as it was designed to offend.

You posted to offend.

You have offended.

Dont blame those you have offended.

Your comment just displays your lack of class....again.



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Patrick O'Shaunnessy,

13/01/2008 12:14:02
120
Pax, I clearly remember Eck's response to MON's request for a postponement of an trip to Ibrox (which we won 2v0 in any case : " I wish I had Martin's problems".
109

BEMUSED EXILE,

13/01/2008 12:14:42
Hmm.

I'm hardly alone in that particular department, am I?
110

Pax V,

13/01/2008 12:16:12
BE, 123

I think a squad's depth relies on quality as well as quantity, BE. RFC may well have the numbers, but you watch for a few getting injuries, or seeing niggles catch up on them because of frequency of games and we'll see how you get on.

Tell me your best team with Hutton, Bazza, and Hemdani unavailable.
111

Pax V,

13/01/2008 12:18:10
BE, 126

No, you dont have that monopoly, BE......but the behaviour of others provides no excuse for yours.

You came to offend.

You succeeded.

Are you proud?
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Pax V,

13/01/2008 12:20:15
Pat, 125

Aye....so let us not worry too much about Rangers fixture congestion. A big club...apparently a great Manager....huge resources....apparently they have 30 who can play in the first team...so I cant see the problem!
113

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 13/01/2008 12:22:11
interesting that rangers fixture pile up which has been plastered over the press again and again over the last few weeks is being discussed as fact..over dec jan and feb..celtic and rangers are due to play the same amount of games..just because (suprise suprise) there has not been one headline regarding celtics fixture list we asssume rangers are in a worse position..x
114

Pax V,

13/01/2008 12:26:26
131

124 wasnt intended for you.
115

BEMUSED EXILE,

13/01/2008 12:27:08
Oh, don't get me wrong, Pax. I'm not complaining about Rangers schedule, I'm only stating that it causes wider problems. They are professional sportsmen, with the best training facilities money can buy. Would I rather that we had a free midweek instead of a CIS semi-final? Of course not. Would I rather that we had 2 free midweeks instead of a UEFA Cup tie? Of course not. I reckon that Rangers players should be able to handle 2 games a week, particularly as they're having what amounts to a mid-winter break right now.

One thing that you can take to the bank. If Celtic win the SPL, I'll be right here admitting that they're the best team in the country, and you wqon't hear a peep out of me with regard to any "fixture congestion" being a contributory factor.
116

Pax V,

13/01/2008 12:29:07
BE, 133

So...let's look again at your deliberately offensive #106.

What, exactly, is your your problem?
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BEMUSED EXILE,

13/01/2008 12:33:43
Pax.

Best team without Hutton, Bazza and Hemdani? a strange question. Do you consider those to be Rangers best players.

It's only a personal opinion, but

McGregor

Whittaker
Weir
Cuellar
Smith

Burke
Buffel
Thomson
McCulloch

Cousin
Naismith
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BEMUSED EXILE,

13/01/2008 12:37:38
#106 wasn't deliberately offensive, but if I do have a slight problem, it would be this (and I've said it before)

Why were Celtic in any way a "special case" in the whole Phil O'Donnell saga? I've said over and over that the whole program should have been cancelled, but given that this didn't happen, why did Celtic get what they wanted and Dundee Utd didn't?
119

Pax V,

13/01/2008 12:48:38
BE, 136

Only you knows whether you intended to offend when you posted #106. I find it very difficult to accept that you did not.

How long was Phil at Celtic?
Name men at CFC he was very close to.

120

Pax V,

13/01/2008 12:50:03
BE, 135

Already looking ropey.

Now, Buffel and Thomson get injured - and the others are still out.

Your best team?
121

Timothy Malloy Esq,

Too near the hovel of u know who 13/01/2008 12:50:09
I don't know why the SPL/SFA don't force RFC to play two midweek games in between a Saturday Match and say a Sunday or Monday game.

In England teams often play 4 games in 8 days, look at the New Year where some teams played on the sunday then the Tuesday.

One things for sure the backlog is getting ridiculous. I hope the SPL have learned their lesson and will STOP favouring RFC when they put in requests for games to be cancelled. It was nothing short of a disgrace to cancel the Gretna game.

Onto the Phil O'Donnell death, the whole card should have been automatically scrapped. But the SPL showed no class once again.

PAX...what is BE Pinnoccio's problem? It's that big Catholic Boy who's been visiting his burd.

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BEMUSED EXILE,

13/01/2008 12:55:11
Pax.

Stating the obvious, but I know that it would have affected Scott McDonald, who played with Phil at Motherwell, and also Stephen McManus, who was a family friend (as was Bazza apparently).

However, if a couple of players are emotionally unfit to play a game due to bereavement, the show normally goes on, does it not? After all, in the week prior to that, it's my understanding that Rangers had to play without Darchville due to bereavement. So, I don't think that, in itself, it's enough to justify a cancellation, and, if it's a "tribute" thing, surely it should have been the whole card.

I mean, just how badly affected must some of those young Dundee Utd lads have been?
123

Timothy Malloy Esq,

Too nr the stench of sh!t of u know who 13/01/2008 12:56:51
Rangers really have no excuses of fixture congestion.

1. They had the easiest start to a season in living memory the way the fixtures were arranged.

2. They keep going on about size of squad.

3. They asked for games to be cancelled to help them in Europe.

4. Their pitch causes a home game to be cancelled - almost unheard of in the top flight with "big" clubs these days.

5.The postponment has given them a rest from the onslaught, when they were looking very tired.

6. It's easier to play games in better whether so if a team did want games cancelled then the winter months is when you'd want it to happen.

No excuses RFC, most of this is your own doing as you continue to turn Scottish football into a total farce.

124

Pax V,

13/01/2008 12:57:57
BE, 140

No-one else then?

Not Tommy Burns?

Not Willie McStay?

Please advise.
125

Muttley.1,

Edinburgh 13/01/2008 12:58:18
Strachan has obviously never seen of Kenny Dalglish play, Nakamura is not fit to lace the boots of the great man. Dalglish had everything, vision, intelligence, could use both feet, class, could score goals, a team player, an individual, skill, I could go on (where does Nakamura feature within that list, not many IMO). Difference is Dalglish was world class, Nakamura is nowhere near that kind of league.
126

Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 12:58:24
whether??? Doh...I mean weather of course.
127

Pax V,

13/01/2008 12:58:35
Tim, 141

Aye....excuses being prepared!!!
128

Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 13:02:57
143

Strachan only played against and with Dalglish for TEN years. Yeah right he never saw him!

I think you miss the point. He's talking about Naka as a pure technical player. I would agree with WGS Naka can do things with a football Dalglish never did or even thought of.

Example
I never saw Dalglish score a curling free kick from 30 yards in any game far less a European Cup match.

Dalglish was great but he never had the footballing skill of Naka.

I disagree with Gordon on his overall quote. WGS worked/played alongside Jinky and for me Jinky was the most skilful to ever play the game full stop.



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BEMUSED EXILE,

13/01/2008 13:05:02
Hey Pax.

You seem like a man to whom morality matters. I mean, you did post as "Moral Superiority" not so long ago.

What are the most important things in life to you?
130

Pax V,

13/01/2008 13:05:26
BE,

Let's have a look at your 106 again:

The SFA ask the Old Firm to cancel league matches, in an unprecedented move, to "help" Scotland prepare for their Euro 2008 qualifier. Scotland lose.

Rangers, unnecessarily, ask the SPL to cancel their league game against Gretna to "help" them prepare for their big CL match against Lyon. Rangers lose.

Celtic then further exacerbate the situation by asking for an Old Firm postponement because the players "don't feel like playing" after the tragic death of Phil O'Donnell.

Now, it's a big mess for both halves of the OF, particularly Rangers.

You reap what you sow.

________________________________________________________

1/ Tell us how the decision makers were to know Scotland & Rangers would lose those ties.

2/ Please explain your third para about the C v R game being cancelled - in light of your claim that you did not intend to offend.



131

Pax V,

13/01/2008 13:07:32
BE, 147

My chosen pseudonym was "Moral Superiority" - a phrase coined by a prominent Scottish Sports writer describing the feelings of Celts.

Moral Superiority over Gers was easily achieved.
132

Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 13:08:12
Pax - post 147 looks like a wee set up.

The most important thing in life to me is keeping my family happy without the aid of a Big Stranger who pops in to keep my beloved satisfied.

133

Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 13:08:13
Pax - post 147 looks like a wee set up.

The most important thing in life to me is keeping my family happy without the aid of a Big Stranger who pops in to keep my beloved satisfied.

134

Pax V,

13/01/2008 13:08:44
Tim, 146

Aye, good post.

Best ever? Jinky, Naka, Kenny...dont know, dont really care....key thing is they're all Celts!!!
135

Pax V,

13/01/2008 13:10:01
Tim, 151

I know...it's all rather predictable, Tim.

The funniest things is he think's he's being smart.
136

Pax V,

13/01/2008 13:14:12
BE, 140

So, we've got a game of football where THREE players knew Phil well, two of them (the Club Captains) were close family friends, and other members of Celtic's coaching staff were deeply upset too.

For one of the Clubs, Celtic, Phil had played for years.

Tell me which other fixtures from that day could say the same.
137

Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 13:14:39
Pax

I agree it's hard to compare players of different eras.

Danny McGrain for example was the best right back I ever saw.

Boruc is the best keeper I ever saw play for Celtic and possibly next to Smeichael the best I have ever seen.

Naka is certainly the second most technically gifted player I ever saw in the hoops.

Larsson was the best all round player I ever saw in the flesh - but I reckon Pele was the best ever.

Jinky was the most skilful I ever saw and probably next to Maradona the one true genuis I ever saw play the game.

It's all just opinions and WGS is more than entitled to his having played with or against or seen most of the above.

If I was choosing the greatest entertainers...it would be Jinky, George Best, Di Canio and sorry...but Gazza!

138

BEMUSED EXILE,

13/01/2008 13:14:40
Set up?

If you tell the truth, there is never any need to fear a set up, is there?

So again, Pax.

What are the most important things to you?
139

Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 13:19:16
Now he's on about TRUTH. OMG it must be a wind up.

How many times do we have to prove this guy's a liar Pax? It's becoming a joke.

Pinnoccio lecturing us about TRUTH.

The same guy who made up a big WHOPPA about the IRA Collections. You couldn't make it up. Well in his case he did.

If he had a brain...he'd be dangerous.

Hi ho hi ho
BE's Pinnoccio
He's no too wise
with all these lies
Hi ho hi ho hi ho hi ho

140

Pax V,

13/01/2008 13:21:19
BE, 156

Depends on your definition of "things".

Most important to me: wife & children.
141

Pax V,

13/01/2008 13:22:29
Tim, 157

I know....

Let's just play with it again....and have some fun.

142

BEMUSED EXILE,

13/01/2008 13:23:01
You just can't shut up about me, can you Tim. It almost comes across as an obsession. It's not you I'm talking to though.

Pax.

What are the most important things in life to you? What do you hold dearest to your heart?
143

Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 13:23:19
Pax for me it's

My religion

My family

My Health

My career

My quality of life

Then Celtic FC.



144

Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 13:24:17
159

Who was better than McGrain at Right Back?????

145

BEMUSED EXILE,

13/01/2008 13:24:22
Wife and children, Pax.

A fine answer.

And maybe parents too, if, god willing, they're still around?
146

Pax V,

13/01/2008 13:24:45
Tim, 155

Aye....I liked Gazza too.

A great footballer....past his best by the time he came to Hades.....but a great personality\entertainer too!

Remember when he booked the Ref?
147

Pax V,

13/01/2008 13:25:42
BE, 164

Aye, parents - and they ARE still around (if a little frail) and brothers and sisters etc etc.
148

Pax V,

13/01/2008 13:29:22
Tim, 162

Similar list...different order...though some are inextricably linked...

My family

My health

My religion

My quality of life

My career

Then Celtic FC.


149

Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradiso 13/01/2008 13:32:04
Pax

Gazza was a great entertainer. But he lacked the self discipline to be an all time great player.

It was a shame he never really hit the heights he should have - I guess he joined the wrong clubs and hung around with too many eejits - five bellies, mccoist etc.

But for entertainment value he was well up there.

Never a dull moment when Gazza was around,thats for sure.

I remember when he played for Spurs in the FA Cup Final and his hairstyle made him look like Eddie Yates of Coronation St fame...hilarious.

150

BEMUSED EXILE,

13/01/2008 13:32:24
We can get a little heated on here, Pax, can we not? Calling each other names, throwing insults, possibly making accusations? But it's tolerable because at least it's a "virtual" man to man situation, and the other person is around to answer. We don't all like each other, and sometimes we get annoyed, or, dare I say it, even angry with other posters, and the vitriol starts to fly.

I totally agree with you about family though. Tell me, Pax, have you ever gone to the lengths of insulting another poster's family members, people you don't know the first thing about? Have you had the misfortune of having another poster insult your closest family? Indeed, have you ever witnessed me attacking another poster's family members?
151

Pax V,

13/01/2008 13:34:19
BE, 169

Agree all para 1, BE.

Now....are you answering questions too? Or just asking?
152

Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 13:35:25
Pax - funny how BE Pinnoccio is showing his hurt....more more BE ...we love it.
153

BEMUSED EXILE,

13/01/2008 13:36:39
Oh, I'll answer questions, Pax, but let's at least finish this little converstion first.

Tell me, in general terms, what you would think of a poster who went to the lengths of insulting those dearest to you?

Would that be a tactic that you would unreservedly condemn?
154

Pax V,

13/01/2008 13:38:44
Tim, 171

Feigned indignation from the virtual moral high ground!!!

Always entertaining from a follow follower of FTP FC!!!

FTP, BJK, the joys of wading knee deep in the blood of catholics.......and I'm awfy awfy awfy upset aboot what that big guy said!!! He ca'd me a diddy!!!
155

Pax V,

13/01/2008 13:39:41
BE, 172

Asking or answering, BE?
156

Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 13:40:41
Oh dear...you're really upset aren't you Pinnoccio.

So upset that you re: trying the old divide and conquer tactic...wow. This is almost as sneaky and low as using Phil O'Donnell's death to pointscore...or as scummy as playing the orange card...or as sly as coming on here with dozens of different names....You're pain is so tangible. Never mind I'll keep an eye out for that big catholic boy when you're doon at the wee lodge meetings.

157

scottish turk,

bigot watch 13/01/2008 13:41:33
by the look of things the two bigots slimjim and dimm tim are trying to bully bemused imo.
158

BEMUSED EXILE,

13/01/2008 13:42:11
I'm asking you 2 questions in #172, Pax.

Care to answer?
159

Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 13:43:19
Join in Turkey Bhoy...it's all about opinions.

Did you think Gazza was a great entertainer?
160

Pax V,

13/01/2008 13:43:49
BE, 177

Yes, but dont you reckon such debates work much better when they're two way?

You know...it's debate....not interogation!

So...are you ready to ANSWER some questions I asked you ages ago?
161

Pax V,

13/01/2008 13:45:17
Turkey, 176

Just playing with one of the toys The Scotsman provides!
162

scottish turk,

13/01/2008 13:45:39
bemused slimjim is the one who asked me and i quote (do you still beat up your wife for going to mass)so he is as bad if not worse than dimm tim
163

BEMUSED EXILE,

13/01/2008 13:46:45
I've said I will, Pax, just as soon as we get to the end of this one.

I take it that your "yes" means that "yes, that would be a tactic that I would unreservedly condemn"

Yes?
164

scottish turk,

13/01/2008 13:49:05
bemused there is no point trying to be reasonable to the bigot squad its a waste of time move on.
165

Pax V,

13/01/2008 13:49:24
BE, 182

You putting words in my mouth, BE? Metaphorically, of course!
166

Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 13:50:17
Pax - the sheer hypocrisy from BE Pinnoccio is truly appalling.

He moans about a poster insulting close family members yet for two weeks he's insulted Phil O'Donnells family with his distasteful remarks and disgraceful pointscoring.

Like so many cowards, bullies and liars....BE Pinnoccio can dish it out...but he just can't take it back.

As Clive Dunn aka Corporal Jones from Dad's Army used to say..."Them Huns don't like it up 'em"



167

Pax V,

13/01/2008 13:51:19
Hiya Turkey,

Do you know that BE and his family knew when & where the IRA were collecting funds to murder & maim but didnt tell the Police?

What's your view of that?

Should they have told the Police?
168

Pax V,

13/01/2008 13:52:46
Tim, 185

I know....it's stunning hypocrisy!
169

Pax V,

13/01/2008 13:55:25
Tim,

heard any more about wee Davie's stunning £700M investment in the new, improved Hades FTP 1690 Stadium?
170

buy2let,

johnstone 13/01/2008 13:56:50
Rangers call off game against east stirling ,citing waterlogged pitch at there world famous uefa awarded 5 star stadium
Glasgow council award rangers the commonwealth swimming finals,and other aquatic events ,even synchronised cheating to rangers fc as well

Sir david of fortune in debt,says plans to build floating pitch are sheled as we already have one,and the person resposibe for not closing the retractable roof " a certain Timmothy O Malloy " has been sacked,plans to stage the musical singing in the rain at ibrox are at an advanced stage ,says Sir David with as much dignity as he could muster
171

scottish turk,

13/01/2008 13:58:10
bemused exile is one of the finest posters on these threads and dimm tim is obsessed by him, all because he was caught looking like a fool.
172

BEMUSED EXILE,

13/01/2008 13:58:21
Nobody insulted the memory of Phil O'Donnell more than you Tim, with your brazen about-face after he died.

Is this now getting too tricky for you, Pax? I thought that your morality was well established. Do you condemn posters who insult the close family members of others, or don't you?

Do you not agree that this is a place that we should never go?
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradiso 13/01/2008 14:00:22
Pax -

Pinnoccio on yet another day has been exposed. Watch out later Pax, when BE Pinnoccio will return as an extreme bigot probably "King William from Mississippi" and will start hurling unspeakable anti catholic abuse...always happens when he loses his debates and his credibility...it's all getting a tad predictable.
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scottish turk,

13/01/2008 14:00:43
#189 good one, that's more like it slim jim take note.
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Pax V,

13/01/2008 14:00:59
BE, 191

Tricky? Nahhhh!! It's easy...if a little boring.

So...you've got something\someone you want to moans about, BE?

OK...then stop playing your childish games and let's have a look at it and I'll give you my opinion.

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Pax V,

13/01/2008 14:02:14
Turkey,

So...wsa my straightforward question at #186 too hard for you?

Surely we should all do everything we can to prevent mass murder?

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Patrick O'Shaunnessy,

13/01/2008 14:02:19
Gazza has the reputation of flawed genius , but I think that's lap-top loyal speak for a violent drunken thug in a Rangers top.
Like all such types, there are times when they can be amusing, but most of the time, they are knocking seven bells out the wife, shitting in your shoes as a joke ( you don't see the funny side?), pissing on you in the showers and feigning flute play in a goal celebration against Celtic...is anyone seriously suggesting that his subsequent insistence that he didn't realise the significance of what he was doing shouldn't be scoffed out of court?
Had Gasgoine been a Celtic player, he would have been hounded out of Scotland by the LTL.
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 14:05:03
BE Pinnoccio

A place we should never go? Now you are explaining why your burd is seeing that big Catholic boy, because you are never going there...tsk...you disappoint me Pinnoccio.

Hi ho hi ho
BE's Pinnoccio
His burd is glad
with her new lad
hi ho hi ho hi ho hi ho



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scottish turk,

13/01/2008 14:05:07
does pax hiv condemn it, no he takes part in it and then talks about his religion, what a fool or should i say tool.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

13/01/2008 14:06:09
Oh, I don't want your opinion on the specifics of it yet, Pax.

I want your answers to #191.

Do you condemn posters who insult the close family members of others, and do you agree that this is a place that we should never go?

It's a simple yes or no, Pax. I'm deliberately setting the questions so that they require minimal effort on your part.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

13/01/2008 14:07:53
It's an informative charade, is it not?

I'm trying to have a conversation with Pax, and Tim is attempting to walk all over it.

Why would that be?
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 14:08:44
BE Pinnoccio are you not better to go direct to the problem or are you too much of a Coward for that?

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Richardinho,

13/01/2008 14:08:45
Oh dear, Rangers call off yet ANOTHER game!

You can run but you can't hide buns!
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scottish turk,

13/01/2008 14:11:23
Having spent the last 20 years living in Belfast i could easily have a debate about mass murderers, but with the likes of you no thanks.
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 14:12:10
202

700 million plan on a new stadium and they can't pay for proper drainage...RFC are turning Scottish Football into a FARCE!
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BEMUSED EXILE,

13/01/2008 14:13:22
Are you in some way involved in this conversation, Tim?

You're doing your very best to become involved, and have interjected at every point in order to tip-off Pax to the fact that it might be you that I'm talking about.

Strangely, I've always felt that Pax was honest enough and smart enough to make up his own mind.
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 14:13:33
203

Turkey Boy we know you're an intellectual lightweight but you didn't need to tell us.

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scottish turk,

13/01/2008 14:14:02
As i said a few weeks ago pax hiv brings out the worst in dimm tim, but he never listens.
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Richardinho,

13/01/2008 14:14:12
Gretna,
St Mirren,
East Stirlingshire;

Seems like if a game looks too tough, Wattie engineers a call off.
Rather short sighted strategy though; These games have to be played at some point.
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sonofcosmos,

glasgow 13/01/2008 14:15:07
a better line is..you can swim but you cannot hide...poor rangers and their rubbishy pitch....
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Pax V,

13/01/2008 14:18:59
BE, 199

See 194.
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Patrick O'Shaunnessy,

13/01/2008 14:19:00
All this talk of fixture congestion.
We are talking about 2 games, one which was called off at Rangers' request, and the other as a result of inadequate soil-drainage at Ibrox.
Rangers, you made your bed, do the decent thing and lie in it.
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 14:20:16
Pinnoccio hard as you try to retain a calm integrity, you are making a total ass of yourself yet again.

I can tell you are simmering with rage and are trying to contain it. It really annoys you that I can hurt you to the core...but you should learn from this lesson...that if you play with big boys you might get hurt.

I think it's best you go away and come back as Loyal Billy from Texas and hurl sectarian abuse...if that's your catharsis then do it son, better that than playing very obvious wee timewasting games.

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 14:20:17
Pinnoccio hard as you try to retain a calm integrity, you are making a total ass of yourself yet again.

I can tell you are simmering with rage and are trying to contain it. It really annoys you that I can hurt you to the core...but you should learn from this lesson...that if you play with big boys you might get hurt.

I think it's best you go away and come back as Loyal Billy from Texas and hurl sectarian abuse...if that's your catharsis then do it son, better that than playing very obvious wee timewasting games.

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Pax V,

13/01/2008 14:21:07
Turkey 203

Oh, I dont want that debate either, Turkey...

Just asking your view re a guy who knew WHEN & WHERE the IRA collected funds.

Simple question: should he have told ra Polis? Seems easy to me!!!
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scottish turk,

13/01/2008 14:22:04
there is a we man who goes by the name tim malloy
from a young age he became a very bad boy
school teachers, the police and OAP's he would annoy
all because Santa would not bring him a toy
his foster parents would shout there goes our tim young billy next door always punched him on the chin
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Chuckle Bhoy,

13/01/2008 14:22:19
210# aye never let the truth get in the way of a story. Scum
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Pax V,

13/01/2008 14:22:44
BE, 205

You want my opinion on something? Fair enough!

Show it to me and I'll tell you what I think...

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Pax V,

13/01/2008 14:23:27
Turkey, 216

Hello, hello, you are a silly boy.
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Pax V,

13/01/2008 14:24:32
210, 217

Dont buy it guys...
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 14:24:45
Pax

I have noticed a distinct mood swing in BE Pinnoccio today.

Yesterday, he was telling us the future was bright and orange...today he seems very much depressed because his burd's wean might have catholic dna.

Very strange.

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scottish turk,

13/01/2008 14:25:47
Oh i am so proud to be a blue nose
follow follow
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Richardinho,

13/01/2008 14:26:34
I count 4 games Rangers have still to play; The old firm game, Gretna, St Mirren and East Stirlingshire.

Celtic also have to play the OF game (obviously) but we have already played an extra league game.

Who'll bet that Wattie will be on the phone to his local lodge members in the SPL trying to get the league extended into June?
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Finnharp,

canada 13/01/2008 14:27:19
Here is the SPLs answer to the Dundee United game not being canceled when Celtics was, the whole lot should have been postponded.


Subject: RE: Dundee United game
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:00:04 +0000
From: davidogilvie@scotprem.com
To:


Michael,



Thank you for your email. We fully understand the sentiment behind your comments and recognise and respect your views.



The tragic events of Saturday evening have hit everyone hard. All of us at the Scottish Premier League are devastated at the awful, untimely death of Phil O’Donnell. He will be sadly missed by everyone in Scottish football.



Our decisions were driven by the best of motives. We wanted Wednesday to be a day of respect to the memory of Phil. But we fully accept that a large number of people feel that the decision not to postpone all our matches on 2nd January was a wrong one.



Our priority was to be sensitive to the needs of Phil’s family and Motherwell FC. Motherwell's games away to Hibernian on 2nd January and at home to Celtic on the 6th were postponed as a result of this. Gretna's fixture at Fir Park against St Mirren was also called off as it was clear that Fir Park had become a place of homage to Phil.



Following a request from Celtic and consultation with Rangers it was recognised that, as a former player, Phil was part of Celtic’s extended football family and we agreed to postpone the Old Firm fixture on 2nd January.



We felt that the appropriate way to remember and to honour Phil was for the remaining games to go ahead with the clubs, players and fans involved paying tribute to his contribution to Scottish football prior to those matches and to remember his wife and family.



We are sorry that you do not share this view.



Kind regards



Greig Mailer





Scottish Premier League
Hampden Park, Glasgow. G42 9DE
Tel: 0141 620 4156
Fax: 0141 620 4141
Email: davidogilvie@scotprem.com
Web: www.scotprem.com
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 14:27:41
219

Pax.


Turkey Boy's wee poem made me smile...in the same I'd smile at a child's first crayon drawing.

Turkey more please...and I'll send them to the Early Learning Centre.

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Pax V,

13/01/2008 14:28:20
Tim, 221

Even TODAY I've seen swings...

He seemed to have problemos with the postponements....then he didnae have a problemo....now he's no' sure what he's whingeing about.

He seems to want me to condemn something\someone....but hasnae told me yet who\what it is.....but he's upset I havnae condemned the thing he hasnae shown me yet!

Honestly...a very very disturbed guy.
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scottish turk,

13/01/2008 14:29:16
hey dimm tim why dont you post the SPL table, that's a trademark of yours is it not.
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 14:30:02
222

we are happy you are a blue nose too.

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 14:30:54
227

Show me one post when I have posted the league table Turkey Bhoy? Just one.

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Pax V,

13/01/2008 14:30:54
Finnharp, 224

Interesting & informative.

Where did you get that from?
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Pax V,

13/01/2008 14:32:13
Turkey, 222

Yep, well done.
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Richardinho,

13/01/2008 14:32:34
Basically if it's a bit cold or the pitch is a bit muddy, or if there's anything that looks like it might even up the odds, then Rangers are on the phone telling the SPL to cancel the game.
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Finnharp,

Canada 13/01/2008 14:35:07
Pax, I sent them a question after the match postponement and that was the response. Total crap all games or no games should have been the case except motherwell.
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 14:35:50
232

Richardihno

Rangers need the rest. They are knackered, despite having an easier first half to the season.

Wait until the going gets tough.
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Pax V,

13/01/2008 14:35:52
Tim, 229

Yet again, through the actions of the Turkey, we see proof that truth aversion is a core component of the 2008 currant bun!
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scottish turk,

13/01/2008 14:36:28
have to go now but i might be back as a different poster later.
keep believing
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BEMUSED EXILE,

13/01/2008 14:38:28
See #194

Is that your get-out, Pax?

A "yes" or "no" to my #199 would have been much easier, but you prefer to avoid, because you can't bring yourself to condemn your like-minded mate. Oh well, I guess that anything is fair game when it comes to you now, then, huh?

But don't worry. I have my flaws, but insulting family members, people who I don't even know, will never be one of them.

Let me tell you a little story.

On Friday afternoon, I took my partner, the love of my life, and mother of my two children, to hospital for her 12-week pregnancy scan. The scan went perfectly, we got a beautiful picture, and the little thing even waved to us. My girlfriend had been having problems with this pregnancy, so she cried when the scan turned out okay. I love her more than life itself.

Yet yesterday, on here, after I made a football post about preferring a target man and a smaller man combination up front for Rangers, Tim Malloy decided that it was fair game to post "I know a wee burd in Berkshire who likes a big man little man combo too", and he followed that up with "That big Irish Catholic boy will be coming to visit your burd soon"

I had more good news on Friday. My dad, who is now in his 80's, was allowed home after a kidney operation. A better man you could never meet, and it was a worrying time, but thankfully he's okay. However, Tim thought that it was witty yesterday to say "You're a liar, BE." followed by "It's probably true that your father told you a story. No surprise there, like father like son."

Now, I won't hang around for Mr Morality Pax to condemn his buddy, but I thought I'd post the facts for anyone else who's interested to see.

Remember, this is the same Tim Malloy who only a week ago posted about what a fine Roman Catholic he was and how he believed in "treating others as he would like to be treated himself", and who, on this very thread, claimed that, after his religion, his family was the most important thing in his life.

Hyp
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 14:39:45
235

Pax

And yet again as evidenced in Post 236...another one bites the dust.

Wonder where BE Pinnoccio's gone? I guess it won't be long before the extreme bigot arrives...what do you think Pax, will BE come back as Loyal John from Carolina or Celtic Bhoy or do you think he'll return as Mr Neutral from Geneva?

watch this space
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Pax V,

13/01/2008 14:47:02
BE, 237

No need for a "get-out", BE.

You want to play silly games - that's your prerogative. You want me to condemn.....but want me to condemn "blind". ie provide a blanket condemnation - which you have designed - so that you can use MY condemnation in any way YOU choose?

Sorry BE....I aint that stupid!
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 14:47:13
BE Pinnoccio

You missed out the best bit..

I said...The little thing wasn't waving to you but making the sign of the cross.

I made these comments about BE's family because...

He played the orange card yesterday to offend Catholics.

He used his father to justify a blatent pack of lies he made up for no other reason than to belittle Irish Catholics.

So while I may have been wrong to offend two members of BE's family, surely BE Pinnoccio was wrong to offend 100s of thousands if not millions of Catholics with his bigoted twisted remarks.

This on the back of insulting the O'Donnell family and thousands of catholics, when he used the poor guys death to pointscore and complain because a football match was cancelled.

Hypocrisy? Take a wee look in the mirror BE Pinnoccio.

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Richardinho,

13/01/2008 14:49:51
What is Bemused getting his panties all in a knot about?
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Pax V,

13/01/2008 14:53:43
BE, 237

Next, BE, you provide a deeply personal, emotional description of events of the last few days, and at the end find a way to try to demonise Tim.

You created your problem, BE - not Tim.

You choose to come here and contribute regularly a wacky concoction of lies, deceit, bigotry, badness, vitriol, impersonation, personal insults, wind ups etc etc.

Now, you want to suddenly play the "good guy wronged" charade through your unimpressive tale of woe at #237. I cant imagine anyone will be fooled by that wee pantomime, BE.

Improve YOUR behaviour here, BE, before you contemplate trying to demonise others.

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Pax V,

13/01/2008 14:54:19
R, 242

Not sure he knows himself! Honestly.....he's very very confused!
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Richardinho,

13/01/2008 14:56:28
FFS who gives a sh*t if his family feels offended. Is that why he comes on here, so he can feel offended?

What an idiot.
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 14:57:13
238

Brian I have the video of the full 90 mins of the 1960 European Cup Final...and the one thing that hit was the pace...or lack of it. The game seemed so slow and the players seemed to have much less power.

If say Man Utd were to play that Real Madrid team they would have hammered them.

Technically Di stefanoi and Puskas were great and Gento had real pace...but I honestly felt the pace of the game in the 50's was very very slow and allowed people to play football. Today a amn is on you in a split second.

Jinky I thought was technically better than those you mention.

McGrain was a better defender IMO than both Cafu and Carlos Alberto...he also had better close control...did you ever see Cafu beat five men on a mazy dribble...I saw old Danny do it time and again.

Best was fantastic. Great style and entertainment but like Gazza no self dsicipline.

Boruc I think is better than Banks, Zoff etc...only Smiecheal is better IMO.

I have all the DVDS/videos, watched the game for over 40 years Brian and played it for over over 20 years.

As you say it's all about opinions.
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Pax V,

13/01/2008 15:01:59
Tim,

BE's behaviour kinda reminds me of my favourite Only an Excuse sketch...

Fans stand on the terrcaes and shout, scream, chant the most appalling, vile, offensive, bigoted, sectarian, racist trash ever imaginable for 90+ mins.

Worn down by it all, the opposition player (Neil Lennon?) make a single small gesture of contempt.

SUDDENLY....they're upset!

Offisher Offisher.....did ywe no' see THAT?

Ah'm awfy awfy upset aboot that.....and there's weans here you know! Ma boy is only 12....and he's gonnae huv nightmares.

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Pax V,

13/01/2008 15:03:14
R, 245

Aye, pr!ze pr!ck.
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 15:06:05
245

Richardihno (& Pax)

All this comes because BE Pinnoccio is a guy who can dish out abuse (often sectarian) but can't take it back.

He is really upset at the suggestion that "the love of his life" might just love catholics. That cuts to the core for BE. Why? because beneath the facade of Mr Good Guy lies a lowlife bigot.

He has been exposed time and again, but comes back for more. If I was him and I was highly offended every day then I'd do the easy thing and stop coming here. But he comes back for more. Why? Probably because he has to express his ingrained bigotry. He can't do it out on the street because he'd be arrested or attacked and he's a coward.

Another day when he's been hung out to dry. But watch this space, he'll be back for more and I'd bet as an extreme bigot probably "Most trophies ever from belfast"

Sad wee man Pinnoccio....very sad.
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 15:09:36
Pax - not just in Only an Excuse but it also happens in real life. Remember Pittodrie earlier in the season when the fat steward had a go at WGS?




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Pax V,

13/01/2008 15:10:53
Tim, 249

There was a time when Catholics had to take that sort of sh1te from the bigots, like BE....and were unable to respond.

But those days have gone - thank God.

BE & other bigots have to learn that their behaviour is unacceptable, and that we're willing and able to TELL them their behaviour falls short of acceptable standards.

Some of them just cant cope with our new found confidence and eloquence.
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Trent Steel,

13/01/2008 15:12:06
249 - Tim, heard any further transfer rumours?

Personally, Id like to see a CB and a striker. I do not want McFadden unless its a loan deal. Hes neither a winger a striker or a midfielder and would struggle to hold down a regular place in most teams of any decent quality. I think he a has the skills but thats never been enough in any era never mind this one.
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 15:12:21
Pax / Rich

So what BE Pinnoccio is saying is...

Please don't offend ma wee faimly but let me offend thousands of you kafflix and sellik fans.

You couldnae make it up...unless you are a liar on a par with BE Pinnoccio.

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Pax V,

13/01/2008 15:12:22
Tim, 250

Aye....a real life example.....where our Manager was subsequently punished. It'll be interesting to see what SFA\RFC do with that one when it comes before the Grandmasters.
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Trent Steel,

13/01/2008 15:15:51
252 - Brian, there has been some serious handbagging and bitching going on lately. Personally, Im disgusted by it all.
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Pax V,

13/01/2008 15:17:28
Brian, 252

I buy the sentiment of your post, if not some of the detail of it.

Tim and I were involved in his *IRA collecting money from Catholic families each friday night in Saltcoats in the early 1970s* rant a few weeks ago.

Honestly...it was surreal.

We've seen him appear using other names....sometimes posing as Celts.

I have little\no sympathy for him. His pain is self imposed. Playing the "decent guy wronged" charade is a pathetic act of a fading fool. I cant imagine it will impress anyone.
237

Weegie Bored,

13/01/2008 15:20:17
Pax V

How many other names have you used?
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Pax V,

13/01/2008 15:25:06
Weegie Bored, 258

Honestly....lost count.

Probably about 30...maybe more.
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Pax V,

13/01/2008 15:27:57
Brian, 260

Magic!

I recall Vic Davidson too. Talented lad...interesting initials.
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 15:28:07
252

Brian I respect you are trying to play peacemaker.

But it is not a question of whether it happened or not? That is not the issue. (We all know the IRA went fundrasing.)

The real issue was BE HEARD a story his father and a drunk neighbour told him. He believed the story to be true. (no problem with that I know BE is gullible). But HERE is where the problem lies...He used and embellished the story to belittle Irish Catholics. Why? Why do you think he did that Brian?

Moving on, yes I agree the family digs were a bit low, but not as low as The pointscoring BE made over Phil O'Donnells death. Why do you think BE did that Brian?

Brian I would like to talk football all day long...and I can talk about it all day without being offensive but then bigots like BE rear their ugly head and I think it's all decent posters duty to slap them down. I know you have done so on many an occasion Brian and I commend you for it. Times have moved on and people should not be insulted because of their faith, creed or colour.

Pax - I could tell you hundreds of personal experiences where I had to take sectarian sh!t. I used to work in Bridgeton where I was the only catholic employee. I also worked with loads of bigots from Larkhall again the experience was appalling. Add to this when I was child and my parents moved to a posh part of Glasgow where most of the neighbours were protestant - guess what our whole family were treated like second class citizens. But we didn't move we just all got educated and capable for them.

As you say Pax, those days are over, Thank God.













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Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 15:31:27
260

Brilliant Story Brian. What a memory and what a souvenir. If envy wasn't a sin, I'd envy you.

Closest I ever got playing against top players was when I played against Jimmy Case in a pre season friendly - he was awesome, so powerful. I also played in a friendly against Rod Wallace and he ripped me apart. We lost 13-0.

No jerseys though. Just newspaper clippings.


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Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 15:37:52
Got to run chaps.

Take it easy (u 2 Pinnoccio)

God Bless

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BEMUSED EXILE,

13/01/2008 16:14:31
It is ironic, isn't it?

Tim says that he could talk football all day, and I would claim much the same thing, yet it seldom ends up like that.

Nobody is innocent in these circumstances. We all play our part, myself included.

My own experience, and I don't mean to personalise this, is that posters like Tim and Pax are such "Rangers-haters" that football chat becomes pointless very quickly. But I will try to stick to it from now on.

The big bone of contention seems to be my IRA collector story. Now, my problem, and I'll go to the grave maintaining this, is that this story is true. As to whether the collections genuinely were for the IRA, I cannot of course, ever prove, but the events are certainly 100% true, and it's my honest belief that these donations were for the IRA. Tim seems to accept that much of it, although Pax remains determined to shoot it down. They both see it as an attempt to somehow show RC's in a poor light, but that was never my intention. I told the story on a Gordon Smith thread, in an attempt to portray what life in 1970's Ayrshire was like. But I don't intend revisiting it again.

Richardinho. Briefly, my friend. If you believe that it is okay to personalise arguments on here by picking on family members who are completely innocent and who, in certain cases, may see the derogatory comments being made, then you are sadly lacking. My girlfriend has often looked over my shoulder at what I'm arguing about on these threads, and if you think that it's acceptable that she might see what Tim wrote about her, then we live by a different code.

Anyway, to football. It's 2 games a week for as far as the eye can see, but we have the squad to handle that, I would hope. 4 points ahead by Wednesday night, after the Gretna match. Maintain that lead at Inverness next weekend. Get the youngsters and fringe players out for the East Stirling Scottish cup match and advance in that competition. A nice home SPL victory over St Mirren to follow that, then
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Richardinho,

13/01/2008 16:37:44
#268

Let me tell you something-man to man, and listen carefully cause I'm only going to say this once;

You are a fa-nny.

I hope you don't let your girlfriend or any other member of your family look at the screen when your on since your posts are frankly an embarrassment to them and to yourself.

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BEMUSED EXILE,

13/01/2008 16:45:33
See. Right there is the problem. I come back on in a conciliatory frame of mind, and express a desire to keep it to football.

And this is what comes back to me.

Still, at least you're only going to say it once, so I'll be spared having to read it over and over. Luckily, when you spend enough time on here, you get an idea of which posters are worth reading and which aren't.

You don't rate me, and I don't rate you, so I suppose we're both happy.

None of which, happily, changes the big truth, which is that Rangers are currently top of the SPL, and, by definition, at this moment, the best team in the country.
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Richardinho,

13/01/2008 16:55:14
I want to talk football. What I don't want to read are your whiny posts about how everyone is being so mean to you.
You don't like it, don't come on. Simple as that.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

13/01/2008 17:02:22
You want to talk football?

Strange. Your last 3 posts have been about me.

You don't like me, don't read my posts. Simple as that.
249

Richardinho,

13/01/2008 17:07:01
#272 Well I don't know what they're about till I've read them have I? i only know you're a whiny bed-wetter because I've read your posts.

But basically I'll do as I please, and I suggest you do the same.
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The Truth Hurts,

13/01/2008 17:07:30
Dear oh dear.. BE, you having problems making friends again, ye little scamp!!

I really don't want to be having the same debate over and over, however could you please qualify the statement made above concerning rangers and the fact that you believe them to be the best team in the country.. I don't understand how this could be perceived when Celtic are currently one of the top 16 teams in Europe, FACT. As far as I was aware, there are no merits or medals handed out to teams in January.

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Pax V,

13/01/2008 17:08:17
BE, 267

You want to talk about football when you want to talk about football.

It's not always about you, BE!

The world does not rotate around you.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

13/01/2008 17:14:35
Ah TTH.

A football question, and an interesting one.

Of course, it's a well established fact, and I'm sure that you'll agree with this, that the team that wins the championship is generally considered to be the best team in the country. The season is now halfway through, so I think enough games have been played to say that league position is a fair indicator of the merits of individual teams.

Or, to put it another way. 2 seasons ago Rangers amde the last 16 of the CL, but I doubt if anybody would seriously have argued that they were the best team in Scotland because of it. That honour clearly belonged to Celtic.

Celtic have edged Rangers in this season's CL. (3 wins and 3 defeats against 2 wins, 1 draw and 3 defeats, but I still subscribe to the view that being top of your domestic league is a more reliable barometer.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

13/01/2008 17:18:45
I didn't even write post 267, Pax.

You're correct in what you say. But I do, of course, have the right to set my own agenda, and to respond to whichever posts I choose. So it is within my power to ensure that I only talk about football if I so desire, and it is, after all, a football forum.

Of course, when someone like Richardinho decides to have a pop, I reserve the right to answer back, but given that I'm still waiting for his first interesting statement, maybe ignoring him would be more productive.
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Pax V,

13/01/2008 17:31:43
BE, 277

Yep, I should have said post #268 previously. Sorry.

You're an attention seeker, arent you? Temper, tears, and tantrums....oh and some football too. A right wee Prima Donna.

You can come along here a spew your bigotry and badness, lies, nonsense, vitriol. That is your prerogative. It's the prerogative of others to treat you with the mixture of disdain and contempt your contributions warrant.

Note: your earlier "good guy wronged" charade impressed no-one.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

13/01/2008 17:33:32
I take all your points on board, Pax.

But as I say, I'm here to talk football.
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Pax V,

13/01/2008 17:45:46
BE, 279

Then I'll some one other things to you whilst you're listening:

It aint about the IRA in Saltcoats thing, BE. Yes, I think your tale is b0ll0cks, but it's hardly momentous. I cited it earlier as it's a good, relativelty recent example of your stupidity.

Bigotry is illogical. Bigots rely on myths, legends, contrived tales to justify to themselves their hatred for others. Tales of Catholic families handing over £££ to fund murder & mayhem fit this model perfectly.

BE, there is NO logical rationale for anti Catholic hatred. I can well understand why decent people conclude Catholicism is "silly"...or "not for me" or even "bizarre and superstitious". But hatred is inappropriate and illogical.

No, you regularly come here feisty and looking for trouble.

Dont get too surprised when occasionally you find it.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

13/01/2008 17:48:49
It is comforting to know, though, that if Rangers should lose the SPL title, our 2 games a week schedule for the foreseeable future could be used as a credible excuse for our failure.

It seems only fair, given that Celtic fans on here seem to dearly cherish their "injury crisis" and "dodgy decisions" excuses in preparation of Rangers winning the title.

Personally, however, I'm happy to state right here and now that the better team will win, and that applies regardless of which team ends up victorious.

It's almost always an undeniable truth, isn't it? Another finish like 2003 or 2005 would give fans of the losing team a case of sorts to argue that they were just as good, but I don't think that this seson will go to the last day.

It will go to the last few games, however. Of that, I feel sure.
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Pax V,

13/01/2008 17:54:22
Finally, BE, I hope you're not feeling too bruised and sore...

Did I ever tell you that my grandfather kept a 2nd home in Stevenston for many many years?

First, in Ardoch Cres and subsequently in Boglemart St. As a result, Saltcoats and Stevenston hold a special place in my affections. I recall a magic night - maybe late 1960s? - where my parents to us to the Cinema in Saltcoats to watch Oliver. Magic.
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Pax V,

13/01/2008 17:56:18
BE, 281

Injury crisis posts are used rarely by Celts, BE.

And the refereeing mess is real.

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BEMUSED EXILE,

13/01/2008 17:59:29
Well, that's not football, Pax, but it's friendly conversation.

My school, and Gordon Smith's, if you remember, was built on the low road joining the 2 towns, which is essentially an extension of Boglemart Street.

A pub on Boglemart Street, the Grant Arms, was where my alcohol education began, during my "Highers" year. It could be argued that it was the start of the slippery slope.

Saltcoats had 3 cinemas back then, the Countess, the Regal, and the La Scala. Now it has one, on the shorefront where the old outdoor swimming pool used to be.

Changed days.
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Richardinho,

13/01/2008 18:02:54
'It is comforting to know, though, that if Rangers should lose the SPL title, our 2 games a week schedule for the foreseeable future could be used as a credible excuse for our failure.'

not really. Rangers knew they'd have to play these games when they cancelled them for short term gain.

All it shows is that they can run but they can't hide.
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Pax V,

13/01/2008 18:07:00
BE, 284

I can be harsh, BE, but I'm capable of forgiveness too.

I can clearly recall walking down to the beach at Stevenston and getting to the level crossing at the train station...waiting for the train to pass...then walking on to the Swings, and to where the visiting Fairground was posted. The sun was shining and there was magic in the air.

Then on to kick a ball with my dad and grandad.
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Pax V,

13/01/2008 18:08:32
BE,

Do you know Ardoch Cres?
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Pax V,

13/01/2008 18:12:22
R, 285

Fixture density will examine closely the quality of the RFC squad. A few wee injuries....

I hope their UEFA Cup run lasts a wee bit longer....that'll stuff them too.

Oh, and any sign of RFC buying some more players to get them through this demanding and dramatic race?

Errrrrr....nope! Cos they're flukkin skint!!!
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Trent Steel,

13/01/2008 18:26:16
BE - Far be it for me to join in dispute that sees one guy trying to fend off the attacks of a few - Only last week i stepped in to split up a fight that had 2 guys on top of one, the final straw was when the Senga, had a pop as well and started kicking the prostate pugilist in the guts - but, there seems to be a marked shift in your attitude today. Another game cancelled, looks like a fixture pile up and you havent even had your form dip or your injury crisis yet. Theres always a form dip and theres nearly always a wee injury crisis of some degree. Four points isnt a lot, in January - hey wait, its not four points yet. Hope your boy dont slip up against Gretna. They might be a bit rust
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Trent Steel,

13/01/2008 18:30:54
290 - And I shouldn't have to add this, as you have heard it already - the big guns are back for Celtic. Naka and Boruc, two bhoys who produce the goods in the pressure situation. Plus, we finally have a right back,dont know if I told you but hes got 17 caps for Germany. i know hes not Hutton whos nearly as old and has 300 caps for Brazil - or is that 3 caps for Scotland.

Should be interesting - don't you agree?
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Patrick O'Shaunnessy,

13/01/2008 18:43:00
I don't think Rangers can buy before they sell. Hutton won't budge apparently, and it is difficult to see where else they might get some decent cash in the door.
The CL money isn't a hell of a lot, especially when you overspent during the summer and then failed to reach the last 16.
Celtic spent about one fifth of the money that Rangers did during the summer, AND made the last 16.
Celtic have very little debt....arguably none at all.
Celtic can now sign such players as are needed without putting the club under any financial strain.
Celtic have been very clever about this, waiting 'till Xmas before deciding on how much would be needed to ward off Rangers' challenge.

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 20:32:22
Patrick totally agree with you. esp how celtic have been smart over this.

We weren't held to Ransom over Naismith.

We didn't make panic buys.

We didn't sign several trialists - ie...we checked them out and said - they'll no strengthen the squad - Coelho and Kovac come to mind.

Then there was also the other shrewd business moves - like getting 3 mill for Miller who cost us nought, 2 mill for Beattie who cost us nought, 750k for Marshall who cost us nought etc etc

Between Gordon and Peter Lawell's efforts, we are in a seriously positive financial position and with CL money to come in, we can cherry pick the cream.

The good thing about WGS is he takes his time and gets the player he wants. Boruc and Naka were never heard of before, now they are hot properties with the likes of AC Milan and Man Utd looking in, almost envious that they can't get them on the cheap.

Add to this the phenomenal Lennoxtown complex and it can only get better for and better for the Champions.

Rangers beware 10 in a ROW is possible.


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BEMUSED EXILE,

13/01/2008 20:38:57
Good positive spin, Patrick.

But then, you always could give even myself lessons in it. Celtic under-invested in the summer, complacent in the "knowledge" that they had too much for Rangers. Now they're having to spend money in a less ideal window, and in a less ideal situation.

Rangers, I think, as you say, are not prepared to spend more than a couple of million unless they sell to bring more money in, so it might just be one player. If so, I would suggest a left-back, because even if Steven Smith comes back, he would still be the only genuine left-back in our squad.

However, with Smith, Webster and Buffel just coming back, and Whittaker, Burke and Naismith only just starting to play regularly, those are like new players to support the ones that have put us where we are, ie, top of the SPL, one game away from a Cup Final, and still in the Scottish and UEFA Cups.

I have faith that we will triumph this season. But Celtic fans do, too. I understand that, and don't criticise. If you don't have a bit of belief in your team, then you're not much of a supporter!
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punjab-celt,

west cork 13/01/2008 20:39:38
Lads I am so peeved off that the derby has been cancelled again,I have booked everything up and it would have been my first derby in a longtime,I will go to Scotland anyway as I have family and friends there now I will take in the Celt/Killie game sat,hopes its good,still gives me a chance to see the hoops!Do not know who will win the SPL the gers are favs but this fixture congestion,will the refs help the gers out,u never know!
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 20:42:09
Brian how are the grandkids?

I agree Brian that Burke and Naismith and even Webster are decent additions - but face facts, none of them have actually done anything in football. I mean they are at best fringe players.

You are in 4 competitions - 2 of them micky mouse.

Also it's only half way at the moment.

Did you see Hearts/Motherwell last night. Hearts look as though they are coming back to form and I wouldn't rule out them knocking you out of the League Cup.

You're in the mix but that's all it is a MIX...there's a long way to glory.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

13/01/2008 20:44:11
punjab

Go along to Ibrox on the 23rd. There should be plenty of room.

You may see some bright young talent, Efrem, Furman, Fleck etc, and perhaps the comeback match for Smith and Webster.

Go on. Check out the opposition!
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Alan T,

London 13/01/2008 20:44:54
Re T Malloy

Between Gordon and Peter Lawell's efforts, we are in a seriously positive financial position and with CL money to come in, we can cherry pick the cream.

Explain what cream Celtic are picking ?
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 20:47:51
295 Punjab

Why don't you write to the SPL and complain. I would if it was my dosh.

On the title front, Rangers are in a false position and they know it.

By the end of Feb I'd be surprised if we are not leading by a good few points.

The refs will not be able to stop us again...at least I don't think so.

One thing that puzzles me is why all those small teams that get decisions against them every time they play RFC, never complain much. Are they in on it too? Remember Lee Wilkie giving away two pens and scoring an OG for Gers with only two games left in 2005.

It will be poetic justice if Celtic win it on the last day.
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 20:50:15
298 -

Germany's Right Back for a start.

Naka - japanese superstar and prob their second best player.

Boruc - top keeper in Europe.

Hard for you to stomach but face the facts. We've got class you've got second class...

It's great being a Celtic fan.

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punjab-celt,

west cork 13/01/2008 20:52:21
Yo BE I have been to Ibrox loads with my cousin who is a true bluenose and it was not Celtic playing,I do not have a problem in watching any other teams performances but I will not go to Ibrox for cup game as I have already made alternative plans in the City!Sorry mate but the gers will win that easily me thinks might not be too easy against Hibs in the next round though!
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 20:54:02
301

I'd never go to Ibrox and Pay to get in...even if Celtic were there to win the title. I refuse to give money to RFC until they get rid of all the scummy bigots who follow them.

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BEMUSED EXILE,

13/01/2008 20:57:13
Absolutely no question, punjab.

I'm a realistic supporter, not a cheerleader. There is no way on earth that Hibernian will be easy and I would say that particular tie is pretty 50/50.

Interestingly, we will play Hibs in the Scottish cup only 3 or 4 days after playing Hearts in the CIS semi-final, so we could be a tad weary for that one.

A big Edinburgh double-header in the space of a few days. Double glory or double trouble?

Time will tell.
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 20:58:36
a tad weary - making excuses already? This from a man who says he never makes excuses.

Oh dear. Not more spinless lies.

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punjab-celt,

West Cork 13/01/2008 21:00:36
yo Tim the cousin paid but I have paid for Gers v Celtic when i lived in Glasgow that I do admit,There is a different kinda of noise at Ibrox when Celtic play me thinks more tense not as electric as when its the derby at parkhead!Could be just how I see it!
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 21:03:42
Naka I reckon would fetch 10 million in the market.

Boruc 15 million.

Aiden 20 million.

Naismith is a good player as is Smith and webster - but's that all they are...Good. Not worldbeaters...just half decent.

I would expect Naka to outfox Smith. Naylor/Hinkel to contain Naismith and Burke and Vofh to outmanuoevre (sp) Webster. So good player but no better than what's at Celtic.

Good to hear the kids are doing well, 7 yr old and starring for the Under 8's, should I call Celtic to have a look at him?

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 21:05:01
Brian the league cup is toital mickey mouse.

The Uefa is a bit better but even when we went to Seville I was always saying "good but not great" It simply does not compare to the CL.

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BEMUSED EXILE,

13/01/2008 21:05:15
Brian.

There is certainly nothing Mickey Mouse about the UEFA Cup, so I assume that Tim is talking about the 2 domestic cup competitions.

Celtic's recent success may mean that their fans only class the SPL title and Europe as worthwhile trophies, but given our lack of trophies in the last 2 seasons, I'll be delighted with the 2 domestic cups.
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Trent Steel,

13/01/2008 21:07:20
Bemused, celtic under invested - sure?

I'd accept the criticism that they should have signed a left-back, but should they have signed a right-back and a centre back?
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Trent Steel,

13/01/2008 21:11:50
When I was a kid, I watched Salem's Lot on TV and it scarred me for a few years. Its not that I outgrew the fear, what actually cured it was going to Ibrox to watch Rangers V Aberdeen with the amateur team that i played for. We sat in he Rangers end. I seen such scary monsters that day, that the horrendous beast that came out the coffin in Salem Cemetery paled into insignificance after that.
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 21:11:50
I can see why RFC will be pleased with any silverware as it's been so long.

Personally, I'd scrap the league cup as it has been a joke for several decades now also Europe is more demanding and requires more focus.

The Scottish Cup will always have its place as the national cup competition and the league is priority. But ultimately to make your mark in football it has to be Champions league.

Look at Liverpool no title for 20 years and in the last three years, 2 CL finals winning one and losing one...those achievements have propelled liverpool back into the big league big time - even though domestically they have been average. Even when they beat Alaves in the Uefa it was hardly significant.

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BEMUSED EXILE,

13/01/2008 21:12:24
Trent.

I won't comment on individual positions, but my point is, run through all the experienced genuine first team squad players at CP, then do the same at Ibrox.

When everyone is fit, Celtic's strongest XI have the edge over Rangers, and that situation possibly continues up to 16 or even 18 players. But when you get into the twenties, Rangers, because of the numbers that they signed in summer, have more depth.

This can be critical over a long season. Celtic may well be trying to address it in this window, but was it smart to wait until Rangers had their noses in front before acting?
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punjab-celt,

West Cork 13/01/2008 21:13:11
If the gers win a trophy that would have to go down as a good season anymore and will go down as a great season,cos they had to built a whole new team,o.k they gelled in quick but thats never easy for new recruits.Celtic on the other hand have struggled it has to be said but on the plus for celtic there form loss has not been too damaging as the gers failed to take total advantage albeit the cancellations have not helped the gers cause!Said before will be a bit bumpy all the way to the finish line,come on Celtic lift the title to make it 3,it will be magic!
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Trent Steel,

13/01/2008 21:16:15
311 - You know he US scholarship is how David Weir got into senior football.

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 21:17:18
Really Trent never knew that, I thought it was via the Boy's Brigade in Falkirk.
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 21:19:18
Brian would u rather RFC won the Uefa or the league?
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BEMUSED EXILE,

13/01/2008 21:22:48
I would definitely take the UEFA Cup. It's never been done before by a Scottish club. There have certainly been many Celts on these threads who argue that there run to the Final in 2003 was actually bigger than Rangers treble that same season.

I think it's far more likely that we'll win the SPL though.
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 21:25:27
pinnochio since when did u become Brian Stewart???

Pax was right...you do think everythong revolves around u. sad wee egomaniac....
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Trent Steel,

13/01/2008 21:26:56
314 - Bemused, they didnt wait until Rangers had their noses in front, they waited until the transfer window opened. Rangers signed a lot of players in the summer, while looking at the Celtic squad, you would have belived that they could afford to wait until the right men became available. Contrary to what some people would have you beleive, Celtic have only actually had two problematic areas:

Right back - Doumbe, Wilson & Caddis all injured at same time
Left back - Naylor was injured / Naylor was crap.


Centre back didnt lok to clever for a time, but that can be put down to the team having an unbalanced look to it, and why sign a CB when you have Kennedy, McManus, O'Dea, Caldwell, Balde & Pressley. Not even Mourinho at Chelsea wanted more than two players for each postion.
Sure, it would have been nice to sign Anelka or Torres, but we havent really needed them. We pretty much only needed a pair of competent full backs and bad luck and the transfer window is all that prevented us from having them. Not some fault with the celtic management.
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Trent Steel,

13/01/2008 21:31:56
317 - Hes actually a Sheildhill man(where they have red, white & blue paving stones), not a Falkirk man. When he was 18, he managed to avoid his compulsory service with local paramilitary group, the Sheildhill Young Defenders. but thankfully, he got the chance to sign for their athletic wing - Glasgow Rangers, so he sleeps better at night, guilt free!

PS everyone, thats just a joke, so don't get all heated up about it!
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Trent Steel,

13/01/2008 21:33:55
321 - I'd have loved that, instead of two years at Falkirk College of technology, I can assure you. 5 a side games at the former ice rink during free periods.

The guy done well out of it, shows you what a bit of application and hard work can do for you!
Well done David Weir!
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 21:36:20
326 fair enough brian
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Pax V,

13/01/2008 21:47:17
BE, 294 said: "Rangers, I think, as you say, are not prepared to spend more than a couple of million unless they sell to bring more money in...."

So, who are they buying, BE?

I reckon they're flukkin skint!
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Weegie Bored,

13/01/2008 21:49:36
#299 Timothy Malloy

Why do you think that Rangers are in a false position at the top of the league?
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 21:51:26
328

Pax the real question is ..Who can RFC sell?

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Pax V,

13/01/2008 21:52:55
Tim, 330

They've alreday sold the family silver!

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Pax V,

13/01/2008 21:53:08
Tim, 330

They've already sold the family silver!

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 21:54:47
329

celtic injuries, celtics bad luck, bias refereeing decisions and a dip in celtics form = rfc in false position...why is it false? Rangers aren't the best team in Scotland. Simple really.

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 21:56:24
I agree Pax...Hutton was last chance saloon and the big yin bottled it.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

13/01/2008 21:57:19
Pax.

I have no idea who they are buying. Nobody at the moment would appear to be the answer. But they waited until the very end of the January transfer window last year to snap up Thomson, so let's wait and see.

As I said earlier, I'd make a left-back my priority, with Murphy of Hibs being an obvious choice.

But I would be quite happy to see the season out with who we've got.
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 21:58:24
Pax

I wonder where the egomaniac has gone...he's really hurt you know. Catholic blood in the family has really messed him up.

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Pax V,

13/01/2008 22:00:39
I'm turning in early tonight guys...

Another big week for me at work.

Thanks for your company today. Hope you're not feeling to battered and bruised, BE.

GN & GB all of you.

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Pax V,

13/01/2008 22:01:00
I'm turning in early tonight guys...

Another big week for me at work.

Thanks for your company today. Hope you're not feeling too battered and bruised, BE.

GN & GB all of you.
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 22:02:07
Nite Pax...I'm off too as like you I have a busy week ahead.

Cya laters




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Pax V,

13/01/2008 22:05:43
Tim, 336

Time to back off and give him a chance to re-position himself here, if he chooses, Tim.

He took a bit of a bruising here today, and I'm hoping he's genuinely contrite and has the sense to see the error of his ways.

Time to forgive, give him a bit of space, and give him another chance.

It's what OL & S would expect of us.

GN & GB.
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Trent Steel,

13/01/2008 22:06:10
335 - I'd be quite happy to see the season out with who we've got.

So long as we signed murphy of Hibs before the purse strings are pulled shut. Naylor always worries me even like now when hes playing quite well. Good attacker, weak defender. Maybe we can sell him to spurs for 8 million!
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BEMUSED EXILE,

13/01/2008 22:10:15
Trent.

Could be a good old tug of war between the OF for Murphy, I think.

We seem to do that every January window for a Hibs player. Riordan, Brown, Thomson etc.

I noticed that Hibs neglected to play the guy on Saturday, which would have cup-tied him.

Imagine the controversy if that decision meant that he came back to Easter Road in the next round as a Rangers player and scored the winner!
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Pax V,

13/01/2008 22:11:35
Final thought before I turn in....for BE.

Look back at Brian's posts, BE.

You could readily reposition yourself to that space.

Cut out the bigotry and badness. Take a more considered "decent Ger" position and you could be an asset to exchanges here - like Brian.

GN & GB, BE.
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

13/01/2008 22:12:01
imagining again...oh dear some folk never learn...

Time for bed...

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Trent Steel,

13/01/2008 22:18:42
I think, he'd improve either team. Allowing them a truly solid back four. Might be a war worth winning.
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Trent Steel,

13/01/2008 22:21:49
Did any of you guys realise that the M word - the polite word for w*n4ing is actually banned on here. One of my posts got rejected yesterday when I accused Media 1 a regular participant in this practice
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BEMUSED EXILE,

13/01/2008 22:22:35
Well, I reckon that for this particular war, you've got more ammunition than we have, but we'll see how it goes.

I feel strongly that Smith and Murray will want to bring in at least one new player to give the fans a wee buzz, and WS has gone on record as saying that the squad is big enough and that the only players worth bringing in are those who are good enough to walk straight into the first team.

I see merit, though, in letting the guys who have put us in front carry on and finish the job.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

13/01/2008 22:25:37
Never found the need to post it, Trent, so I'll take your word for that one.

Amusingly though, I tried to use a 3 letter word which starts with an N, continues with an I and ends with a P. Not in a Japanese context, but rather as a verb, and it held up my post due to being potentially offensive.

I had to laugh.
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Trent Steel,

13/01/2008 22:29:19
Political correctness is permeating every aspect of our lives. Surprised you can still call a spade a spade even on a road gang. You certainly cant call a spade a spade anywhere else.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

13/01/2008 22:35:02
Maybe, but it certainly flies out of the window on here often enough, does it not?

It's actually quite enlightening and entertaining to step back and survey the carnage sometimes.
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Trent Steel,

13/01/2008 22:35:58
anyway, im going to watch family guy on DVD to help me unwind before I hit the hay!

Goodnight and god bless to you all, especially the rangers fans as you need it more than anyone else!
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Trent Steel,

13/01/2008 22:37:15
350 - Oops, yes, it often my primary motivation for being on here, football discussion comes a very poor second when a major wind up is on the cards!
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BEMUSED EXILE,

13/01/2008 22:37:45
Take it easy, Trent.

Remember, second place ain't no disgrace!
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Trent Steel,

13/01/2008 22:38:55
;-)
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sonofcosmos,

glasgow 13/01/2008 22:48:07
#261 before you equate celtics "injury crisis" missing boruc wilson doumbe kennedy nakamura jvoh off the top of my head for portions of the season..with rangers "fixture crisis"..consider this..
when all the bleating about poor rangers fixture list started the facts are ..dec celtic played 8 matches rangers 6..jan rangers look like playing 6 (if they can sort out their pitch) celtic 4 and feb both teams are due to play 6 games...but somehow rangers have a massive fixture problem..d'oh x
go figure..
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BEMUSED EXILE,

13/01/2008 22:59:49
Hello, sonofcosmos.

#261 is clearly an error on your part. I don't know who the actual poster that you're having a go at actually is. It may or may not be me, but I'll take up the debate, since frankly I doubt if there is anyone else here.

Rangers and Celtic will end up playing the same amount of SPL matches over the season. Of this, there is no argument. I can't debate your figures, because I don't have them to hand. All I can say is, that looking at the next couple of months, I've never seen a team with such a heavy schedule. It seems quite literally to be 2 games a week as far as the eye can see. Rangers have played 2 more Euro games than Celtic this season, and with no disrespect, there is a decent chance that this particular difference will grow further. Rangers will also play at least one, and possibly two, more CIS games than Celtic, and with a few Scottish cup games still a possbility, it could be a very heavy season for us. But Walter has built a big squad for that very reason, so I'm not moaning.

As for Celtic's injuries? Sorry, I've never been a convert to this particular tale of woe. Rangers have played all season without Smith, Buffel and Webster, have Beasley out on long term injury and have had only sporadic use of Darchville, as well as a host odf lesser injuries forcing players to miss a game or two here and there.

It evens out. The best team will still finish top, and will deserve to.
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sonofcosmos,

glasgow 13/01/2008 23:13:35
evening bemused..#281 it was..damn these old eyes..

my paranoid rant is in relation to the amount of poor rangers fixture pile up headlines we have read...and as ive pointed out ..and it is true..from dec-feb celtic and rangers will play the same amount of matches..with celtic playing 8 in dec...the extra games rangers could have may catch up with them..im mainly suggesting the media have been less than fair when describing this "crisis" no suprise there..and i guess youll not think its much of a suprise me going on..and on..and on about it x
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BEMUSED EXILE,

13/01/2008 23:27:45
No surprises there at all, cosmos. This is a comfort though, in an uncertain world.

You, unfortunately, as you know yourself, see inequities in the press treatment of the two OF teams everywhere you turn. You also believe that Celtic's injury crisis is much worse than anything that Rangers have had to bear, and I don't doubt for a single second that you believe that match officials are also less kind to Celtic than they are to Rangers.

I, as often stated, and based on my observations of Scottish football over decades now, simply don't buy a word of it, so we'll just have to beg to differ. Establishment bias against Celtic is a very good card to place up your sleeve, without a doubt. It can spare you, in your own mind, from having to confront an ugly truth in the event of Rangers becoming champions. There are no shortage of Celtic supporters on here who still open the old excuse book to explain 2003 and 2005 away. I can only smile wryly. I have seen Rangers finish second far too often to worry about it, and it has never been an issue for me to admit when Celtic are the better side.

But, it takes all sorts.
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jerrymanders,

13/01/2008 23:36:26
#358 BE

When Celtic AND Rangers agreed to call off the OF game on the 2nd. were you so magnanimous?
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BEMUSED EXILE,

13/01/2008 23:39:41
Check back and see, jerrymanders.

I had no issue with the OF game being postponed. The proof will be there on your screen if you find the appropriate threads.

I did have an issue, however, with Dundee Utd being forced to play. I stated at the time that their case was even stronger than Celtic's, a view that I stand by.
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jerrymanders,

13/01/2008 23:41:57
Their case was also stronger than Ranger's.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

13/01/2008 23:51:19
These are my exact words from 31 December, jerry.

"The circumstances dictating the postponement of the OF match are tragic, and the decision is an understandable one"

I don't understand your post at #361. As far as I am aware, Rangers never at any time asked for a postponement of the fixture, but agreed to it after learning from the SPL that Celtic would prefer not to play.

Have I been misled?
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sonofcosmos,

glasgow 13/01/2008 23:52:57
quick ..anyone still up..before they change it.. go to the latest news..on the sports index and go onto the spl to sort out rangers fixtures story for the best picture of walter smith you will ever see x i thinkthe nightshift may have had a few bevys
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BEMUSED EXILE,

13/01/2008 23:58:16
cosmos.

I think you'll find that this is a picture of WS in his playing days.

Management not only turns the hair grey, it turns the skin white...
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sonofcosmos,

glasgow 13/01/2008 23:59:37
glad you caught it.....a bit of a mistake..oh well it is late..night
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jerrymanders,

13/01/2008 23:59:37
BE #362

Celtic asked the SPL to postpone the OF game on the 2nd. They turned it down. However, the SPL contacted Rangers FC to ask what they thought and they agreed to the postponement. Walter Smith came out and said it, and because of that he has gone way up in my estimation. If Rangers had not agreed to postpone the game would have gone ahead. BTW sorry for doubting you. I am getting mixed up with the idiots such as Media 1, Loki, The Boke, etc.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

14/01/2008 00:05:39
That's quite all right, jerry.

I may not have upset you on this particular issue, but I've no doubt that there are other statements for which I merit your disapproval.

Many examples doubtlessly available from the forum's most unforgiving double-act, if you wish to pursue.

PS Now that WS has gone up in your estimation as a man, all that remains is for Rangers to win the SPL, and he will have to go up in your estimation as a manager too!
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jerrymanders,

14/01/2008 00:08:35
#367

You are taking this too far!
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BEMUSED EXILE,

14/01/2008 00:14:21
I take many things too far, jerry.

But I've had a very good stab at sticking to football tonight, which has to be a step in the right direction.

Rangers are on their way to the title, and I'm on my way to bed.

(Unless the Monday threads are in. Maybe I can post first and cause a stir like I did 2 days ago!)

Adios.
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jerrymanders,

14/01/2008 00:17:31
#369

Dream on.
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Dabulamanzi,

14/01/2008 05:55:45
Malloy and Pax make me thank God I'm not a dhim. Paranoid, bigoted scum.

 

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