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Published Date: 16 March 2008
MOTHERWELL chairman John Boyle has revealed he wants the club to quit Fir Park for the next three to four weeks in an attempt to solve the pitch's chronic waterlogging problem.
Boyle expects tenants Gretna to play their match against Celtic in the Clydesdale Bank Premier League next weekend at a different venue, and suggested Livingston's Almondvale or Hamilton's New Douglas Park could be suitable, although it is unlikely either would meet SPL criteria. Motherwell will also have to find alternative venues for their forthcoming home fixtures.

Motherwell had to postpone their own SPL game against Celtic yesterday when an attempt to drain the pitch of water made their problem worse.

Boyle said: "We have a very serious problem and I'm going to address it fundamentally in order that we can get our games on. Fans need certainty, we haven't been giving them this. I am on the case. (Motherwell secretary] Stewart Robertson and myself are talking to (Scottish Premier League secretary] Iain Blair. I think what we are going to have to do is that we're going to have to drastically take some action which will not be able to be done in days.

"And in the light of that, we're going to try to relocate some of our fixtures, so that the fans and especially the away fans have some certainty about the remaining fixtures. This might take three to four weeks to sort out. Every short-term measure we have tried to take clearly hasn't worked and we are hugely embarrassed and absolutely apologetic to the fans."

The confirmation from Boyle that Gretna's fixture against Celtic will almost certainly have to be moved at least means there will be more chance of the game proceeding. That will be a welcome tonic for Gretna who went into administration last week. David Elliot, the administrator, has stressed that the revenue from the fixture is crucial to the club surviving. As well as the gate money generated, the match is due to be televised by Setanta Sports which would also provide a cash filip for Gretna.

Gretna have been groundsharing with Motherwell this season but Boyle refused to accept this as the reason for the poor state of the Fir Park pitch.

"The Gretna situation is not responsible for the state of the pitch," he said. "Clearly our drainage system is inadequate to cope with it."


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  • Last Updated: 15 March 2008 11:25 PM
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1

Oor_Wullie,

ma_bucket 16/03/2008 00:05:46
SPL Shambles.
Gordon Smith.
Gretnas Grieving.
Motherwells Pitch.
Rangers UEFA Draw.
48 English Teams still in CL.

- Somebody wake me up in August.
2

sonofcosmos,

glasagow 16/03/2008 00:31:57
it is ghoulish watching gretna being kept alive just to play celtic so that it doesnt impact on the league race..horrible.
3

Another King of Spain,

16/03/2008 00:55:14
#2 why don't you put your team into the Kentucky Fried Chicken League of Ireland - where they belong - and leave the rest of us in peace?
4

JC,

Deepest Kent 16/03/2008 01:01:39
If that is a picture of the Fir Park pitch then why on earth (spot the pun) did they need a 9am inspection to call the game off after looking at this potato field on Friday afternoon?

Setanta must be mightily pi**ed off as they want to cover this gane for TV but have now been denied twice.

What I want to know from all the experts is "What difference a winter shutdown would have?". I know the answer in Motherwell's case is sweet F.A. but there will be those out there believing that would solve the problem. How??????

Oh and another thing, #3- Is that the only way your team would win the league then?
5

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 16/03/2008 01:05:41
#2 yea ok then...d'oh x
6

wes mantooth,

16/03/2008 01:07:09
strange comment about almondvale not meeting spl criteria as livingston were in the spl for a good few years.

7

Swordsman,

Dublin 16/03/2008 01:15:05
Hate to be hard hearted here but,if Gretna were a dog it would be put down to save it from more misery...The only reason to keep them going,as far as I can see, is that the bigwigs at Park Gdns are terrified that IF Gretna fold before the split there will be an almighty kerfuffle regarding reallocation of points from games played..Now that would be fun to see...
8

Oor_Wullie,

ma_bucket 16/03/2008 01:19:10
#2 re: Ghoulish Gretna - agreed - youve now got a situation whereby an away fixture for Celtic against a member club of the SPL could well become a Home fixture against their opponents U19 team, assuming they still have one - and this, sadly enough, is probably one of the more sensible solutions from the varying permuations and degrees of madness available. I really no longer know why Celtic do not simply just buy the three points from a willing Gretna Adminsistrator - this, while it may well be an Indecent Proposal, would be a sight more honest than the current charade. A club without ground, fans, players or resources *cannot* meaningfully fulfill top-class fixtures.

As stated, just fed up personally with this entire SPL 07/08 farce now and I doubt I am alone. Rangers, well done, happily concede you the title here and now if only somebody would make it stop, finally, please.
9

wes mantooth,

16/03/2008 01:25:14
if it were to happen, the reallocation of points would basically benefit the clubs (dundee utd, hearts in particular) who dropped points to gretna. if it has to be done it has to be done though.

the spl's been a shambles this season.
10

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 16/03/2008 01:29:17
see i think the celtic fixture is pointless as gretna will go under and the points will be lost but it will even the situation with rangers...unless gretna won
11

Swordsman,

Dublin 16/03/2008 01:30:22
Hindsight being 20/20 and all,I wonder how many at Park Gds saw this coming..A team from the middle of nowhere,no fan base,no finacial backing outside the largesse of a well meaning benefactor playing at a ground that didnt comply with the criteria for SPL inclusion..Hmmnn.I'm no rocket scientist but ,COME ON!
Pack your bags Gordon and don't let the door hit you on the erse on the way out...
12

HibbyPaul,

16/03/2008 02:25:08
There's no way that ground should be playing 2 SPL games a week.

That pitch has been a disgrace for a number of seasons, Motherwell and the SPL should be ashamed of themselves, what a farce this has become.
13

Raskolnikov,

16/03/2008 02:45:55
The SPL should simply shut Fir Park down for the rest of the season, fine Motherwell 250,0000 quid and every Fir Park fixture should be awarded a 3-0 victory to the visitors.
14

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16/03/2008 03:51:48
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celticdaft,

16/03/2008 04:17:02
Finally someone talking sense...spot on oor willie. This season is a joke. GROUNDSHARING, LIQUIDATION, HOME GAMES Away, away games at home... what next? You shouldn't be in any league if you can't play at home. Celtic included. They shouldn't have been allowed to use Hampden. Can't do anything about gretna now. Even canceling the results is ineffective. WHat about bookings and sendings off if any ? All have consequences. SPL chiefs should resign for this embarrassing fiasco.

CL? Chelsea, Arsenal , Liverpool, Barca, Roma, schalke were not champions. I don't mind the CL but don't call it champions league. Call it what it is. The european super league for countries with big populations


Another king of spain...... you are so funny it kills me. I fell over laughing at that KFC thing. Rangers fans are just a riot eh ?
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16/03/2008 05:26:33
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16/03/2008 05:31:47
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idee fixe.,

R.U.I.N.S. RefsUndueInfluencesNeedsStopping !!! 16/03/2008 05:40:35
#16 cont ;

He haw.Thats what.So good foresight there then Gordon !!

When Gordon Smith came in at the start of the season, his first pro-active mission was...wait for it...to reconsider Scotlands national song...considering if Flower of Scotland was the right song being sung.
Unfortunately,so far as Scottish football was concerned that was as good as it was going to get,I`m afraid.

Who would have thought that from that lofty and thought provoking position,that things could only get worse.
And they did.

Sad.
Isnt it.
19

baku bhoy,

caspia 16/03/2008 05:43:00
Whats a the fannying aboot, theres such a jam up why dont motherwell agree to play their games at the oppositions ground, every one knows there pitch isnt going to be playable in the forseeable future, the catch up is going to be horrific for everyone.
20

mideastbear,

in arabia watching the arabs get humped (no pun in 16/03/2008 05:50:56
#16 + #17 ID2N

Yes so shyte you had to post it twice, complete fabrication in your own mind.

'Rangers went on with their embarrassing season when their park became known as The S.W.A.M.P. as a result of insufficient funds that would have allowed their pitch to be maintained properly and therefore, fit for SPL purpose,this too led to futher fixture congestion for the Ibrox outfit when another one of their SPL commitments was abandoned.'

Please tell me when the state of the pitch at Ibrox caused a game to be called off. According to website stats, we have 2 postponed games, both away, one against you incidentally and one you and all your cronies are continually bleating about now, you made the bed, lie in it.

We feel your pain bhoy, but at least try to be magnanimous in defeat, yea I know no hope there.

So away to chapel and pray for your soul for all the lies you have spewed on this forum this year,

it must be grim being a tHim
21

idee fixe.,

S.W.A.M.P. SirWantawaysAmazingMire+Pigsty !!! 16/03/2008 06:34:03
#20 mideast beararse

This is not an educational sight...however...look up the difference between postponed and abandoned.

Dear, dear, dearie me right enough.


I ok then..sad.
Isn`t it.
22

redandwhitehoops,

east kilbride 16/03/2008 06:51:02
The Well should be fined for the state of their pitch...at least the amount that Gretna paid them for helping to ruin an already poor pitch...and while we're at it relegate them too for having the worst strip in Scotland
23

mideastbear,

16/03/2008 07:20:43
#21

Clearly not an educational site as you frequent it with regular monotony, so what SPL commitment was abandoned due to the state of Rangers ground? Please elaborate, I know that will be difficult for you as you clearly don't know the difference between elaboration and fabrication.

As usual you spout your bile from inside your own wee planet, the Clangers made more sense than you, now run along and find the dummy you threw out the cot months ago.
24

Gloryhunter Leith,

Paradise 16/03/2008 07:58:16
Oh, oh! Bears wi' sair heids! Chill oot, ya duds!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4tWZ4SVFTU
25

idee fixe.,

C.I.S.CorruptionIsn`tSupported !! LetItBeHeard !! 16/03/2008 08:21:45
#23 mideast beararse

Whit clangers, Yanarse that ye are.

Are you seriously suggesting that The S.W.A.M.P. was not uplifted and forced to be relaid.
Fair enough,Ragz players goat some free tawties oot eh it,but it hardly holds Ragz and their football club in high esteem.

Rather than donate £2.7 million smackers to rugger,Sir Wantaway would have been better advised to put in decent drainage in at his "beloved" Ibrox rather than turfing over the cracks(cracked drains that is).

Entertaining though.
Isn`t it.
26

Grierson_Green,

leith 16/03/2008 08:43:26
Play the gretna-celtic game at Hampden - 25-30000 celtic supports give Greta a great financisal boost and helps the motherwell pitch recover. Kill 2 birds with one stone getting the SPL out the mess its got itself in
27

Wee Pal Joe,

16/03/2008 08:45:07
Poor idee is hurting bad these days. Rangers on top of the league, in a cup final today, marching on in Europe....

As for Gordon Smith I don't know why he's being mentioned in connection with the Gretna mess, as he's not the head of the SPL. Or maybe I do. :0)
28

G...,

Scotland 16/03/2008 08:46:22
haha@25

beep beep beep..

quick change the subject!
29

idee fixe.,

C.I.S.? CorruptionIsn`t Supported LetItBeHeard !! 16/03/2008 08:58:04
#28 geee...,Scotland

Que ?
30

Blou,

Cup finals 16/03/2008 09:00:33
#1, silly man. Gordon Smith is head of the SFA, not the SPL.

Why oh why is timothy tink out in force? Today is final day and timothy is not invited.

The only ghoulish thing I've noticed of late is the celtc fans desperation to see Gretna shut down. Of course they don't appear to care that many people with families and mortgages to pay will end up on the dole.
As long as there's the remotest chance celtc artificially closing the gap in the table other people lives and livelihoods don't come into it.

Selfish bheasts.
31

G...,

Scotland 16/03/2008 09:27:39
Eeeeday..

the beep beep beep noise was the one you made as you slowly reversed away from the point that the state of the ibrox pitch had caused fixture congestion.




32

G...,

Scotland 16/03/2008 09:32:29
ah well.. "top of the league on st paddy's day" falls by the wayside along with "the league will be over by bonfire night/xmas/valentines day".

we're running out of significant events for the tic..top of the league on easter sunday ??..its mathematically possible!
33

mideastbear,

16/03/2008 09:40:40
#25 Idee/2N or whatever moniker you use these days

so you lower yourself to profanity now, the education now shows through. I never said anywhere that the pitch wasn't uplifted and changed however, it didn't cause the abandonment of any fixtures and was done so in between games, so I again reiterate your continual fabrication of all stories relating to the Mighty Rangers in order to deflect away from you own teams inferiority this season, enough said, now run along like a good little boy now.
34

The Gorgie Boys Are In Town,

16/03/2008 10:25:16
How would Livingstons Almondvale stadium not be up to SPL standard?
Fair doos their team is mince and 2nd sivision standard but they where in the SPL until recently
35

marty76,

16/03/2008 10:28:10
#33
The original cup game against East Stirling was postponed. While you may argue this was not an SPL game it resulted in another potential mid-week league game which couldnt be penciled in. Therefore the Ibrox pitch has contributed to the backlog of games.
36

Guiseppe Tortolano,

16/03/2008 11:07:10
There have been no extra games on the played at Fir Park this season - Gretna's games have replaced the Motherwell reserve games.

37

Lennox11,

Coatbridge 16/03/2008 11:27:02
Lets look at the games that have cotinually gone ahead in places like Forfar, Brechin, Ross county, Inverness, this is nothing to do with the pitch, this is about the low standards that some clubs are prepared to accept, this viasco is the total responsibility of the SPL, Oh! who are the SPL? the clubs, they could'nt arange a bun fight in a bakery.
38

Blou,

Exposing timothy. 16/03/2008 11:35:12
Celtc supporters spokesman was on the radio and said that they may boycott the Gretna match to reduce their income and hasten their closure, meaning Rangers get points deducted.

TGFITW, full of the milk of human kindness want to actively speed every Gretna employee out of work and onto the dole. This is human beings we're talking about, they have families and financial responsibilities.

Meanwhile, Brother Walfrid spins in his grave.
39

Rosscobhoy,

Glasgow 16/03/2008 11:39:14
#30

In relation to the folk with families not being paid. I believe thats been a large part of the problem up till now already, closing the club down won't change that. Even if Gretna fulfil their fixtures from now till the end of the season, there is a damn good chance staff will not get what they are due. The players who stay on will probably be the ones who can't find another club and have no choice but to put themselves in the shop window. They will still lose out until they move on.

Think the main thing this has highlighted is how poorly Scottish football is run. Clubs in several of the leagues abroad would never be allowed to register and take part in their respective leagues under the financial conditions we let half of ours away with. The whole setup is a shambles and has been for long enough. I'd hope that the powers that be would learn from this, but we've seen in the past(Dundee, Livingston, Airdrieonians, Partick Thistle, Falkirk to name but a few clubs who have been staring this kind of thing in the face) that the lessons will never be learned. The biggest irony here is that Gretna entered the league when Airdrie went bust and had to close down.....
40

mideastbear,

16/03/2008 11:43:11
#35

Just winding up ID2N like he likes to do to everyone else, if he put his point across like your good self then no one would bother, the thing is he likes to dish it but can't take it, a fabricator and conspiracy theorist of the highest order, now lets get back to the present, COME ON THE BEARS!
41

Blou,

16/03/2008 11:50:50
Moves are afoot to save Gretna and people's jobs. Celtc fans aim to scupper that for the sake of a few points, utter selfish, shameful and disgraceful behaviour from tgfitw.
42

marty76,

16/03/2008 11:59:08
#38
Do you have any quotes from the spokesman or are you simply giving your interpretation of what he said?
43

marty76,

16/03/2008 12:01:30
#40
If this is an ongoing fued then knock yourself out. Just thought I'd clear up that small matter
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16/03/2008 12:50:16
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Blou,

16/03/2008 13:02:50
#44, Eh I'm Scottish. You're the revisionista.
46

punjab-celt,

West Cork 16/03/2008 13:06:33
Cuellar recks the gers can win the lot thats four trophies,got to admire his optimism,though the gers do seem to have a strong belief and togetherness that can not be said for celtic and thats unfortunate,I mean where is the motivation and hunger for this celtic team WGS has to take some of the blame these celtic players are on huge salaries and up to now are not justifying their salt!4 draws at home is not the way to win a championship and them draws were v poor opposition.Against Dundee U Celtic could have went another hour and never scored I thought they showed slight panic and that is not the way to break down a team who has everyone behind the ball!Teams play like their life depends on it when its v Celtic,WGS should know that by now and set his team up accordingly!
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16/03/2008 13:17:44
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Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 16/03/2008 13:19:59
#3 " Kentucky fried chicken league of Ireland" Thats rich,coming from someone who supports a team that plays in a Diddy league. The diddy league I speak of is the SPL,where the same two diddy teams share the silverware year in and year out. If you want to watch real football, watch the English Premier Laegue. No diddy teams like Celtic and Rangers in that supreme league.
49

Graham Purdie,

Motherwell 16/03/2008 13:20:43
I would hazard a guess that most clubs in Scotland at some time have had difficulties with their grounds due to repeated adverse weather conditions.Gretna sharing Fir park hasn't made situations any better. By the closure of the season Motherwell will have to get rid of the clay that retains the water underneath Fir Park to prevent ongoing postponments.Talks of fines and relegation for MFC is highly unlikely.#22 your as funny as a one legged man in an butt kicking competition.
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16/03/2008 13:51:40
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Celtic Bhoy,

Carlisle 16/03/2008 14:12:57
The sham that is the Scottish Game!
52

bluepeterno1,

16/03/2008 14:21:39
Its a bad bad day when the tic and there supporters are wanting gretna to fail so as to get a few points back ,just shows the type of rubbish they are and how scared they are of loseing the flag. At the end of the day gretna through pure courage and determination will be better than they ever will.As for motherwell why is there park the problem of the SPL or the SFA its down to motherwell to keep there pitch in good order and the should be made to do it ,this has become a pure farce and teams and supporters south of the border will be pissing themselves laughing at us,well done guys.
53

celticdaft,

16/03/2008 15:02:22
#48

The Epl has had only 3 winners in the last 13 years. 3 out of 20 contesting the title is about the same as 2 out of 12 contesting it. Out with the top 4 they don't exactly set europe on fire do they? Diddy league there too.

It seems as though a lot of rangers fans think TGFITW want to put people out their homes and jobs for the sake of a few points. Not really. Maybe its the SPL that wanted to kill them off by allowing the circumstances of their demise.
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Graham Purdie,

Motherwell 16/03/2008 15:12:18
#50, fixture chaos? hardly.It happens almost every year in Scotland and understandably so with the weather we have.Whats with the HUGE over reaction.And what would you like done with surplus money given to the SPL (improve Gorgie)?Motherwell should keep all profits and put the money towards repairing their pitch sounds more realistic.And you reckon that all this will entice teams to switch their games for other reasons than unplayable pitches,,,,,,like what? they don't like the colour of the grass or something.#52 why is everybody the south of the border(England I think you mean) pissing themselves?Don't you think games were postponed during the serious floods recently in Yorkshire.Your paranoid if you think people are laughing.
55

Colin P,

16/03/2008 15:28:41
46 punjabcelt

Your posts seem to make a lot of sense, mate, but can you not insert the odd space to make comprehension a wee bit easier? Please?

You see the deficiencies in your team and are not afraid to mention them. My hat's off to you.
56

Colin P,

16/03/2008 15:32:10
48 Hunky

Come on pal, admit that, besides the top 4 teams in England, the rest are average.
If not for the millions of £ coming from television and other sponsorships, it would be a truly mediocre league.

For you to compare the SPL (Scotland pop. 5 million) to the EPL (England pop 60 million) is laughable.
I'll be hard pressed to take anything you say seriously in the future.
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16/03/2008 15:50:14
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Bilbo Baggins,

Underhill 16/03/2008 16:29:10
Motherwell are a disgrace.

This is the Scottish PREMIER league and is supposed to be the best that our country can offer. We are a laughing stock...
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Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 16/03/2008 18:42:09
#56 Colin........... I do not wish to offend or be mean spirited,but it really is tiresome to see the same two teams share the spoils in Scottish football ,year after year.Apart from Celtic and Rangers,how many other teams in the SPL have made claims on the silverware over the last forty years? Well done Rangers to-day! Another trophy to add to the Celtic- Rangers monopoly.
61

Not Me,

nowhere special... 16/03/2008 19:35:57
It would appear that the posts are bereft of the perpetually Sellic Minded.....

Wonder why?

Nice to see you are all man enough to take the pain!!!!

Song moment - Life in the Fast Lane - surely gonna lose your mind - wonder who thats for.....
62

Colin P,

16/03/2008 20:19:33
#60 Hunky
The fact of the matter is, in small countries like Scotland, there is limited money as it's not a huge television market, and sponsors are just not interested in spending millions and millions on small markets.

The Old Firm have the big support, and therefore have comparatively big money to spend on players(compared to other SPL teams).

Therefore, the Old Firm will continue to dominate the SPL scene, at least until big money comes in to one of our less fortunate opponents. We thought that was going to happen at Hearts, but sadly, that wasn't to be.

Compare this with the "parachute fund" which teams relegated from the EPL get, and you'll understand why it's a big deal for Scottish teams to do well in Europe.

We're the poor cousins, and I don't have a problem saying that. BTW just how much will Derby et al get for being relegated?

Compare the EPL to leagues in other countries with similar populations and sponsor bases and you'll see it's not as good as you think.

I would suggest that the EPL is only considered a quality league(by others) because of the foreign players.
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Colin P,

16/03/2008 20:28:21
I have to add to 62....

The lack of funding to SPL clubs, indeed any Scottish club, results in more 'homegrown players' seeing action and even this is affected by needed repairs and improvements to a club's facilities.
Motherwell are partly responsible and partly victim to this reality. They tried to make some extra money by sharing Fir Park with Gretna, but the Scottish winter put paid to that idea. The constant (over)use of the pitch in dire conditions has resulted in a situation where they may not even be able to play at home this season.

Situations like this can be catastrophic to clubs which operate close to the edge. Bring in a couple of decent players to boost the chances during the season, taking funds away from your reserve, and when the weather hits and your field needs major work....

These are the facts in the lower English leagues as well as many other countries. It's a fact of life.

People who gloat about it are delusional. It's only one incident from hitting their club.
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mcaitchi,

WHY 17/03/2008 00:06:50
WHY do us scottish punters put up wi this p##h !!!!#

The Grenta - Farce
The Motherwell - Pitch
Hearts - Owner
SPL - Management
SFA - Management

And last but not least - dearer petrol in scotland !!
65

Colin P,

17/03/2008 00:22:57
64 mcaitchi

What's the solution?
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Celtic Fan Steven,

17/03/2008 09:18:25
You've got to laugh at this... "Livingston's Almondvale or Hamilton's New Douglas Park could be suitable, although it is unlikely either would meet SPL criteria."

SPL Criteria should be thrown out the window at this stage do you not think. They will be going cap in hand to these clubs begging for help, not turning up their noses at how many seats they dont have. AR$EHOLES.

Furthermore, this is not a one off for Fir Park. Every season they have to postpone matches because their ground either floods or freezes, when the rest of the clubs in the league have no problems. Why SPL, WHY????

 

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