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Published Date: 17 August 2008
Sir David Murray has his share of critics calling for his head, but tells Tom English he will only leave Rangers in safe hands...
SO THERE they were, a year ago in a London hotel, Sir David Murray, his right-hand man Donald Wilson and his football man Martin Bain on one side of the table and the new buyers of Rangers Football Club on the other.

Not a lot to be said now. No
t a lot of money talk, not a lot of legals. Two months in the making, the transfer of ownership of one of the great institutions of the British game was close to completion. "It's true, we came within a few hours of selling the club," said Murray.

"We were all ready to go. Donald had negotiated it for months with complete confidentiality. Everything was pretty much agreed and then I said, 'Look, gentleman, before we do this, can you tell me how you're going to run this club?'. I'm sitting there with all the legal documents in front of me and they outline their plans, 'We'll carve this up and we'll sell that off' and after a while I said 'Enough, we're not doing the deal'. We got up and walked out. We took our papers and went out the door. It wasn't for Rangers. In my opinion they did not want to take the club forward in a football way. They saw property angles. That's the closest I've come to selling; a few hours last year in a nice London hotel."

It's an interesting story. And a story with a message behind it. Murray's note to the disaffected at Rangers, the ones who called for his head in the wake of the Kaunas defeat and the defection of Carlos Cuellar to Aston Villa could be interpreted as 'be careful what you wish for'.

How many of the Rangers support are truly against him? Hard to say but he knows what they're like. He mentions the Rangers Supporters' Trust. Not much trust there anymore, alas. "The boy David Edgar (its spokesman) has made it very, very personal. Six weeks ago he sat in front of me and said it wasn't personal, we're totally supportive of the club, we want to work with you and then he went and did this. It's an ego trip. The Liberal Democrats don't get as much publicity as David Edgar!"

Edgar is an excitable chap, no question. He accused Murray of asset-stripping the club last week, said it was a rudderless ship, said a lot of things. Said Murray wasn't the man to steer it any longer. Even by the standards of football's most idiotic knee-jerks the pleas for Murray to vacate Ibrox are monumentally thick, the logic of people with bubbles for brains and all the big picture view of Mr Magoo.

Walter Smith has been given in the region of £25m to spend on players and signing-on fees. He's brought in almost 25 players, either as full signings or on loan deals. He has a vast squad, including 10 strikers, and massive support. Shouldn't the manager have enough artillery to overcome a team like Kaunas? So, Mr Edgar, how come you reserve your flak for Murray and not Smith?

The chairmen doesn't need support – he's got a neck plenty hard enough to cope with the stick – but there's been a demented element among the criticism and a hysteria on the rumour mill that has had Murray seething one minute and almost laughing at the lies and the lunacy of it the next.

"Four days on the trot we had four different rumours and the tabloids are so gullible and so busy trying to cut each other's throats they put it in the paper. Ally McCoist having a fight on the floor of the dressing room with Martin Bain. Resigned and walked out the door. You know what I mean? Shaun Maloney at Murray Park. James McFadden doing a medical. People are posting these things on websites and then people are writing about them the next day. No foundation to them whatsoever. James McFadden? 32 grand and six million. Sorry, we don't do 32 grand a week and six million. Total rubbish."

The Cuellar situation is fascinating, too. Another stick to beat the boss with. "Where it was very difficult last week, we sat down with the supporters' assembly and they asked me had we had an offer for Cuellar and I said no but if we do get an offer we'll spend the money on new players. On the Friday night Carlos went to a supporters' do and told them he loved being at the club and the next day we get a phone call saying his agent is coming to Glasgow and wants to see us to talk about Carlos's sale. On the Monday Carlos tells Martin (Bain] he wants to go and play in the Premiership.

"I think Aston Villa were made aware of him wanting to go. From our point of view there was no sign of it coming. I saw him (a few days before]. 'Hiya Carlos'. 'Everything all right, chairman?' He walks along the corridor. Not a word more. What can I do about that? Here's his contract, look. We had to release him if a bid of ?10m came in. And here's the offer from Aston Villa; ?5m on registration, ?5m in 12 months. I didn't want to sell him. I had to sell him. No criticism of Aston Villa, it's football. I don't suppose Portsmouth are all that happy that all of a sudden we've decided to jump on Pedro Mendes the day before the Premiership starts."

Mendes is what Murray calls a real man. When Barry Ferguson returns from injury he says he's got "men in the midfield". Without saying it, there's no question that Rangers lack hardened pros with big hearts. The Paul Hartleys, the Barry Robsons, the Scott Browns are in short supply in the Ibrox midfield. Mark Bresciano, the Palermo midfielder, would appear to come into that category, too, but despite bidding £4m for the Italian it looks like he's staying put. Maurice Edu is a man, too, it seems. Though only 22 and with only six caps for USA and less than 40 games for Toronto FC to his credit, Murray likes the defensive midfielder. "He's been at the Olympics. This boy's a player. We're in negotiations at £2.5m. He's 6ft tall and a wee bit special. So we're not sitting on our backsides."

But let's say the band of critics get their way and Murray departs. Who'll come in exactly? Plan B, anybody? You noisy minority calling for change, you get Murray out the door. And… ? Who'll pay the bills? Who'll take your bile? Who'll soak up the scrutiny and the nonsense and drive on? You think they're queuing up to invest? You think they grow on trees, these chairmen prepared to put 20 years and £100m into your club? This newspaper has given Murray a few kickings in its time but anybody who wants rid of him at Rangers is either delusional or a Celtic fan. They'd love to see Murray depart and then observe the chaos from afar.

And here's the funny thing. The Murray Must Go! lobby? The Murray family are right there with you. They'd shout and roar just as loud and carry the placards just as high if they could. "These fans are right. Murray's happy to go. My family say it to me every week. Walter Smith doesn't know why I do it. He says 'What are you putting up with this for?'. Oh, in the beginning it was ego maybe, a chance to stick out my chest, but I feel huge responsibility to the club. I could just say 'f*** it' and go. I've plenty of things to do. But I won't do that. I'll do my best until somebody comes up with the answers. It's all very well saying do this and do that but there's not been a bad hand on the tiller the last 20 years. If somebody steps forward with a reasonable offer, I'll go, I'm happy to go, I don't need this in my life. But if the supporters want me to go – which I don't think a lot of them do – fine. But they're not making it easy for somebody else to come in."

Important point, this. Listen up Rangers Supporters Trust and all your indignant comrades. You might learn something.

"There are some things that could put off a new owner coming to the club. There's no doubt we have a small element whose behaviour in Manchester was unacceptable. There was unacceptable behaviour on both sides with some of the police as well but that's for another day. Somebody (a prospective buyer] must look at that and go 'oh'.

"They must see the public scrutiny that everybody comes under at such a big institution and must look at the financial underpinning that the Murray Group has done at Rangers. Let's be under no illusions, it's cost us £100m. I'll tell you this, unless you're backed by proper cash this club will have to downsize. There is an economic crisis out there. People should just sit down and take a minute to reflect. When we were running it in the past, probably slightly recklessly in a financial sense, I was criticised for not running it more soberly; I'm now trying to balance the books and I'm criticised again. Other than me going on the park and scoring goals, which I'm incapable of doing, I don't actually know what else I can do."

Some people won't listen. Those who believe that Murray is an asset-stripper, that he is in charge of a rudderless ship, that the series of blows that have hit Ibrox these past weeks are all his fault will not change their minds. So be it.

"We'll all survive. You get the feeling, though, that some of these detractors would like to see us lose because they think some white knight is going to come over the hill with a sword."

In fairness, it would be a useful weapon to cut through all the garbage that comes with the job.



The full article contains 1730 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 18 August 2008 12:40 PM
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17/08/2008 00:21:34
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Teary Ennui,

17/08/2008 00:27:44
Yeah Tim, it's all a big conspiracy. :0)

As it turns out, the team is potentially stronger than before the Cuellar sale. The biggest priority was to strengthen the midfield.
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Daillyman,

17/08/2008 00:38:54
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Yes Tim if its a story regarding the Gers it must be lies.

Looking forward to this coming season, and here is hoping the Tic go a long way in the UEFA Cup, after you're 3rd place in the CL group stage.
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Helter Skelter,

17/08/2008 00:52:45
Very poor use of resources Minty.

Send Donald Wilson of for "months" of negotiations , only to pull the plug on the whole deal by asking just one question.

Wouldn't it have been better to ask them at the outset what their plans were for Rangers ?

Wouldn't that have saved Donald Wilson a lot of trouble.

Hmmmm...or could it be that it's just a load of old cobblers minty ?
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Daillyman,

17/08/2008 00:56:36
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I would think negotiating a price would be the first order of business don't you?

There not the first company to have pulled out of a deal at the final hour. If indeed they did have a deal near completion.
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Helter Skelter,

17/08/2008 00:57:27
1 the pundit

It was a consortium involving two elves and a unicorn...tinkerbell acted as their attorney.

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Helter Skelter,

17/08/2008 01:00:37
6 Brian

"Donald had negotiated it for months with complete confidentiality."

Sir Minty.
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RANGERS LOYALIST,

GB 17/08/2008 01:00:38
Good interview.
True as well that the only people who will be glad to see SDM go are tic fans or imbeciles.
I'm fed up with David Edgar saying that he's speaking for me.He's not.
Asset stripping is the wrong phrase anyway. He owns Rangers.
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RANGERS LOYALIST,

GB 17/08/2008 01:03:39
The dims are gonna love this thread.
A chance for them to have a go at the man they all FEAR.
A man that they know will go the extra mile for the greatest football club in the world.
A man they are jealous of and yet should respect.
I hope SDM stays for a few years yet and I'll bet you anything that when he does sell, it'll be a cracking deal for Rangers FC.
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Daillyman,

17/08/2008 01:16:24
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Good post and I agree 100% about Edger, these parasites just want to see their name in the paper.

Some supporter he is when things go off the rails he is the first in line screaming for heads to roll.

Ban him from Ibrox!
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Daillyman,

17/08/2008 01:18:55
12 Mr Madrid

Read you're own post,, talk about people with bubbles for brains!
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Pat the Hat,

Cloud Nine-and-a-half 17/08/2008 01:19:28
In the immortal words of Graham Spiers, Winalot journalism at its best.

And from an Irishman. How embarrassed am I? Not half as embarrassed as Tom English will be when he reads this piece after he sobers up in the morning, I suspect.

Was the lamb especially succulent, Mr English? Did Sir David give you a taste of the finest reds? Are you James Traynor or Chic Young in disguise? Strike that last question, you couldn't be – you have a basic knowledge of English. My apologies.

The prospective buyers did not have the best interests of the Thread Bears at heart, you quote the man who has outsourced every revenue generating stream that "the second most important institution in Scotland after the Church of Scotland" possesses. Oh my aching sides.

Wait a minute, Tom, how could I be so blind? You, like the rest of decent society, want to keep this megalomaniac in charge of Rangers! It's the one sure way of ensuring the gorgon's ultimate destruction. Go raibh maith agat, a chara!

The Espanyolification continues!


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chazbud,

17/08/2008 01:19:34
#10 well said, couldnt have put it better, cuellar was to blame for cuellar leaving, do you not think his agent phoned moneill to tell him carlos wanted out and told him the release clause, then villa yes only villa offer the exact amount of the clause HOURS later????mmmmm

SDM has given me so many good years, so many trophies, but the last 7 years have been a struggle for the club and its fans.We are bigger than what we spend on players but i suppose it upto Sir David Murray what we spend.

If Davis and Edu come thats great business, and the buck will stop with Walter as hes the one whos buying them and saying they are good enough just like he got adam, mcculloch, cousin, darche and dailly wrong.time will tell, but im much more upbeat now about our midfield, we should have boys in there who can actually pass between them now, and after another crapp performance we have seen the last of Lee M in the Rangers midfield hopefully!
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Daillyman,

17/08/2008 01:22:49
16 chazbud

Cheer up we are joint top, only 36 more to go before being crowned SPL champs.
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Celtic Forever,

No-one likes them, they don't care 17/08/2008 01:26:30
Lies lies, lies.

Stinkgers in a crisis, Murray comes out with more lies and the hollow hollow brigade swallow it all up.

Morons.
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chazbud,

17/08/2008 01:26:48
17 let him be, i like edgar, but his criticism of Sir David is OTT, he is gutted like the rest of seeing us sell arteta, tugay, arveladze, ferguson, cuellar and buying ostenstad, capucho, vanoli and christain dailly!! Our scouting/signing policy for last decade has been so poor, we have not been able to mould a team in over 8 seasons of football, Walter has a good squad, Sir David has financed him, like i said before Walter carries the can i think, Sir David will always help us, but he does have to increase our wage structure!He has to match the fans ambition. Boughys a belter, is he better footballer than Carlos?, he looks more comfy on the ball....
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chazbud,

17/08/2008 01:28:14
despite the strong base of a squad, we need to get rid of about 8 or 9 diddies! defo
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chazbud,

17/08/2008 01:32:30
#22 PMSL

me too
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chazbud,

17/08/2008 01:35:30
#23 ok but i ask you how much is mcrgeasy, naka, borat, vineger t*ts, gravesen, balde, scott broon on? average 25-30 a week...easy..

they have a far greater wage output and the trophies and titles to back the huge wage bill up?

ye get what ye pay for do ye not?

SDM has lacked ambition, ye dont need to spend a fortune, ye can have DECENT scouts, in last 8 years our scouts have been hopeless.FACT.
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Helter Skelter,

17/08/2008 01:38:20
This consortium....is Minty saying then that they had all missed his numerous press releases over the last 4 years , boring us all to death with relentless claims that he would only sell to someone who had the best interests of the club at heart ?

I mean, Minty's been PRing that message for years, yet he expects us to believe that when he asks about their plans for the club (at the 11th hour), they reply ' wur gonnae turn ibrox intae flats 'n' that likesae'.

Even if such was their intention, wouldn't they have said ' Oh Minty! We ARE going to take the club to the next level, and various other hackneyed old cobblers.
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Swordsman,

Dublin 17/08/2008 01:39:41
Morning Lads...

I must say this piece of fluff would embarrass most red tops never mind a "Quality" paper..

There were sections of the above article that reminded me of a "Dime Novel".It had it all...The tension as the bigwigs sat across the table from each other in a swanky hotel (the author did everything but give us the bloody menu,in setting the tense scene)but as the fateful hour approached,our boy David had a road to Damascus experience,NAY! an EPIPHANY!One could almost hear the tick tock of the ornate Ormolou clock on the mantlepiece as the crisis of conscience that was so artfully portrayed by the hack who penned this tripe reached its shattering crescendo almost had me in tears..of laughter...If this were a real novel it would be "unpickupable"

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Helter Skelter,

17/08/2008 01:39:42
It's cobblers I tell you, cobblers !
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lostcause1798,

glasgow 17/08/2008 01:44:49
Loyalist at Number 9

It couldn’t be further from the truth that us ‘tic’ fans would be glad to see murray go.

From when murray took over to the mid 90’s all the issues that engulfed celtic were of our own making – murray’s presence made no difference.

Once mccann came in with his 5 year plan things started to look up for us and since that 5 year plan as accomplished celtic have been the dominant force in Scottish Football with 6 from that last 8 championships.

Whether it is murray or anyone else in charge at rangers makes no difference to us.

We are on the right road both on and off the field. What happens at ibrox is inconsequential.
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Helter Skelter,

17/08/2008 01:46:43
Celtic's debt is just a tad over £3m.

We are set for another bumper year in the cash stakes, paticularly as there's a new hoops outfit to be had this season, and weare the only Scottish team in the CL.

This time next year, Balde and Gravesen WILL be gone and our total debt should be around £1.5m
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chazbud,

17/08/2008 01:47:14
#29 thats fine, so we cut squad, and build on the strongest players left.i hope hes gonna do that, makes sense.

think their wage bill is a good bit higher,but thats good!

Quality not quantity my man!

Edus gony be sum player...if they can get a work permit for koko mizunwho then surely a USA regular should get one, funnily enough the panel who gave mizunwho his work permit were all celtic men!mmm did peter liewell pick the panel?
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Helter Skelter,

17/08/2008 01:52:31
Cousin and Darcheville are between them taking probably around £40k a week.

Roughly just over half of what Balde and Gravesen take in...but it's still a lot of 'dead' money....I thought Darcheville looked shocking when he came on today....a belly to match his 3rse these days.
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chazbud,

17/08/2008 01:53:33
#34 aye DC + JCD have to go
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chazbud,

17/08/2008 01:59:06
#36 good second point, our signings this year have been good. we wont miss carlos.millers been poorest but he will come good.good to see dailly and adam out the team.
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lostcause1798,

17/08/2008 02:04:45
33 the pundit

murray might have made a difference to rangers but he didn't to celtic (which is what rangers loyalist was getting at.

celtic were a disaster by our own doing and the minute we removed that board and got a new one we improved immesurably.

in the celtic accounts issued on friday it showed that for last year our income was down (less money from CL, less money from kit sales, less money made from transfers) and our expenses were up (costs at lennoxtown and wages/transfer fees) - a bad year by anybody's standards.

yet we still reduced our debt and made a profit.

whether murray stays or goes, the last 8 years of excellent financial management at celtic means we are leaving rangers behind.

murray thought he could leave us behind by throwing his money in - it failed.

celtic are only spending what we generate and what we can afford - it appears to be working.
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Giffnock Tim,

GLASGOW 17/08/2008 07:56:36
Have to say that this story really has spin written all over it. Deal just about done before asking new owners their plans? Yet this a dealbreaker. I think not.
Also why did the journo not ask Murray about all of the money that's gone from Rangers to other parts of the Murray empire eg on catering, metals for the stadium etc? No tendering process there. Instead an excellent earner. From recollection business from Rangers makes up over 50% of the turnover for some of Murrays companies.
I am a Celtic supporter but would prefer Murray to stay. He got the club cheaply and has taken a lot out. Properly run they would be more of a force.
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Gerry M,

17/08/2008 07:59:21
What sycophantic and unquestioning drivel from another of Murray´s poodles.
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Keyboard supporter,

17/08/2008 08:39:54
amazing - a rangers thread where posting is allowed - fear not though taleban on the horizon and we all know what fun loving munchkins they are - shut by 1pm if we're lucky.

Murray is far from perfect but fare served up on pitch & transfer policy is not his fault. It could be worse - we could have the former right honourable Dr Reid at the helm.
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Keyboard supporter,

17/08/2008 08:41:39
#44 - Rangers worth £100-120 million - lira perhaps - some fecking businessman you are
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FAN OF GERRY,

glasgow 17/08/2008 08:48:25
once again anything written remotely positive about Rangers must be lies. Why cant the celtic fans just go and read their own wee celtic view and give us peace.

As for the piece itself its very interesting and coupled with the transfer moves afoot I think we're in for a very interesting season.

have a nice day.
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Keyboard supporter,

17/08/2008 08:53:35
#47 - 48

£120 mill for business inherently strangled by playing in SPL is excessive - if Murray got £50 he'd be laughing.

Always amused by people coming onto anonymous internet forums spouting how succesful and wealthy they are in "real" life.
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Keyboard supporter,

17/08/2008 08:56:49
#50 - You're proud of the good doctor - i won't act like Sellik Taleban and get thread shut but i couldn't think of anyone worse - irrespective of his business acumen or not

#51 - "Lira is not a currency" - really - news to me!
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Keyboard supporter,

17/08/2008 09:05:10
#55 - Doing nicely during present economic gloom - Other than drug dealer what basic necessities are you purveying?

Giro books & shellsuits at Darkheid?

I'm personally screwed - i invested all my cash in eyebrow trimmers and set up a stall for Celtic fans
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Terminal Cheesecake,

Ayrshire 17/08/2008 09:15:00
A quite unbelievable article............literally.

#23 "he criticises murray but it was murray who funded most of the wages of the likes of laudrup and gascoigne out of his own pocket, hen he moans when murray doesnt want to do it anymore"

Oh right it was Murray who funded Rangers out of his own pocket back then. I see. So, er, where did the money you, I and the rest of the support put in to the club go to then?
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Alex Scott,

Glasgow 17/08/2008 09:19:18
This piece is written so poorly that it is understandable why the author wishes to remain anonymous. It also demonstrates why David Edgar of the RST was perfectly correct in his criticism of the way the Rangers FC has been run over the past few years.

In reality, Edgar’s points are unassailable. How can Sir David Murray be as dedicated in running Rangers as he was in the 90s when he has been trying to get shot of it for at least 3 years and contestably longer?

Murray only ever appears when HE is being criticised. As this article demonstrates, he has press poodles and lapdogs at his beck and call. He is simply not interested in defending Rangers from the tsunami of black propaganda thrown at the club from Celtic-minded hacks in the Scottish media and from so-called ‘anti-sectarianism’ groups. It is this factor more than any other that rankles with a significant element of the Rangers support.

In one respect, though, the piece above is correct. Many of Rangers’ recent problems have not stemmed from Sir David directly, but have been the responsibility of poor decision-making by Martin Bain and Walter Smith. The bottom line, though, is that the buck stops at the top and he is ultimately responsible for those employed at Ibrox. It is noticeable, for instance, that the recent incoming transfers – far too late in terms of European progress, of course – were carried out with remarkably more alacrity than the long-drawn out sagas we have become familiar with over recent years.

Indeed, one is tempted to suggest that David Edgar’s remarks on radio the other night were just the kick in the backside needed at Ibrox.
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Keyboard supporter,

17/08/2008 09:31:38
#59 - Warren buffet - why the need to put details of your herculean business acumen on an anonymous forum - in any event you thought you had a realistic shot at Deco FFS.
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Keyboard supporter,

17/08/2008 09:40:35
#58 - I agree with just about all of that but just wish Edgar would shut his gob for once - people like that are always the same and start to believe their own hype and enjoy their moment in the spotlight
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Alex Scott,

Glasgow 17/08/2008 09:41:56
#33, the pundit

"he invested the money to keep us ahead and he improved the stadium to increase our income to sign better players

when i think of rangers legends the first name that comes to my head is murray, then smith, then mccoist"


You appear to be one of those Rangers fans who is very poorly briefed on both the club’s history and the financial background.

The vast majority of the stadium improvements at Ibrox were put in place by the Rangers Boards of the 70s – not by Murray.

Sir David also did not pay for the likes of Laudrup and Gascoigne (as you said in an earlier post) from his own pocket – this money came from ticket sales and other such revenue.

The bulk of SDM’s investment in the club essentially took place far more recently when he had to eliminate most of the massive debt or face the prospect of being responsible for Rangers’ bankruptcy. It should also be pointed out that should his gamble in the late 90s by sanctioning unsustainable levels of spending in an attempt to gain success in Europe or entry to the EPL have paid off, his shares in the club would be worth several hundreds of millions.

In other words, he stood to gain – or thought he did – from the financial recklessness of the past.
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Keyboard supporter,

17/08/2008 09:43:00
#61 - brilliant - do you get a des o'connor showcasing you've got a "first class honours" degree. Heres' a pfennig buy a clue.
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Keyboard supporter,

17/08/2008 09:45:09
#63 - not a murray sycophant myself but none of us complained at the time about his "reckless spending". I think you're being needlessley harsh
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Keyboard supporter,

17/08/2008 09:49:51
#67 - Succesful people - on an anonymous internet forum at 10 on a Sunday morning - astounding levels of delusional grandeur.
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Alex Scott,

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SDM was asked at two AGMs in the late 90s about the club’s spending. He dismissed such questions as ‘negative’ and that it would be ‘totally irresponsible’ of him to mire the club in more than 50 mill of debt. At the beginning of 2000, in an article in the Herald he claimed that others were going to invest hugely in the club, although, of course, this never transpired.

Let’s be perfectly clear about this – what Murray did was completely reckless and if he were a CEO rather than the club’s effective owner he would have been fired.

Only a handful of articles (usually in the business pages of the Sundays) have ever appeared in the Scottish press examining this appalling example of financial mismanagement. There has been no analysis whatsoever in the tabloids.
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Wee Fred,

17/08/2008 10:02:49
David Edgar must go.


He doesnt speak for me.
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Keyboard supporter,

17/08/2008 10:03:49
#70 - who's asking you about your true identity? - the whole premise about internet forums is that posters remain anonymous. In light of the latter why feel the need to give us a highlight reel of your achievments (1st class honours - Steven hawking has nothing on you) as if we're supposed to be impressed - for all we know you're probably another giro collector like the rest of the unenlightened ones
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Keyboard supporter,

17/08/2008 10:14:17
#72 - i've attended numerous agm's over the years and during 9 in a row sequence it was unquestionably a love in with ringmaster Findlay holding court. We've all got degrees in hindsight (not first class obviously like Einstein elsewhere on the thread) but if he'd been cautious as he probably should have been then he'd have been castigated as being unambitious. Football clubs , with some exceptions, tend not to follow conventional financial logic. Look at Liverpool where Benitez has the a*se as the owners won't fund the purchase of Gareth Barry despite him wasting many millions buying utter keek - torres aside obviously.

Kaunas was lowest point (akin to Levski in '91 i think) but yesterday was better and our need for a midfield seems finally to be dawning on Smith. Don't see the point in witchhunt against Murray when there isn't exactly a rush of would be suitors for his stake.

Got to get behind the team and persoanlly speaking (as bitter and twisted) i'll settle for being better than the peasants from Giroland
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Keyboard supporter,

17/08/2008 10:16:16
#76 - perhaps i will - any chance of a tap from your bottomless pit?

£50 mill obviously
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Keyboard supporter,

17/08/2008 10:17:18
#79 - "I haven't given you a highlight reel of my achievements. If I did you'd be astounded"

Beyond parody!
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Glasgow 17/08/2008 10:19:43

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'Everything was agreed. We came within a few hours of selling the club'


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SO THERE they were, a year ago in a London hotel, Sir David Murray, his right-hand man Donald Wilson and his football man Martin Bain on one side of the table and the new buyers of Rangers Football Club on the other. Not a lot to be said now. Not a lot of money talk, not a lot of legals. Two months in the making, the transfer of ownership of one of the great institutions of the British game was close to completion. "It's true, we came within a few hours of selling the club," said Mu
"We were all ready to go. Donald had negotiated it for months with complete confidentiality. Everything was pretty much agreed and then I said, 'Look, gentleman, before we do this, can you tell me how you're going to run this club?'. I'm sitting the
re with all the legal documents in front of me and they outline their plans, 'We'll carve this up and we'll sell that off' and after a while I said 'Enough, we're not doing the deal'.

What a hard necked git Murray is.

Tell me Sir David,what is left of the club to 'carve up and sell of?"

You have done a pretty good job on that front already.

Doesn't like personal challenges our Sir David, does he?
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Scotland Uber Unionists,

17/08/2008 10:24:55
Timothy. (all of you) F off back to your skips you detestable, pious bawbags.

This Rangers side is going to be infinitely better than last seasons and you're worried.
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Keyboard supporter,

17/08/2008 10:32:41
#83 - Let him stay - any individual unaware of their own idiocy of that magnitude should be welcomed - its entertainment on a sunday morning!
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Spin City,

London 17/08/2008 10:38:13
#the pundit
With 'supporters' like you who needs tims..?

What about the £40m from Joe Lewis, The £30m from ENIC, the £30m - from Nike was it? Not to mention the hundreds of millions over the years in Ticketing and Merchandise from US..?

Yet we STILL end up over £100m in debt...?? So how much money did Murray put in from his own pocket then..??

By the way - OUR money built the Stadium before Murray arrived on the scene. Rangers Pools provided the money for the Stadium, not to mention the Rangers Bond and the Buy a Brick scheme. I'm guessing you've been a Rangers fan for about 5 mins if you think Murray did it on his own.

You are a brainwashed fool....
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Keyboard supporter,

17/08/2008 10:42:21
#85 - Countries to run, minions to order, first class hnours degrees to attain etc etc

Cheered me up no end this morning - just goes to show that money and intelligence do not go hand in hand
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jdships,

17/08/2008 10:53:36
As a non OF supporter it is somewhat frightening to see a football club run by an egotist of Murray's calibre .
"Tolerence will not be tolerated " !!!!!!!!
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happysnail,

Stirling 17/08/2008 10:58:00
There are a few points I would like to make, a) isn't it normal business practice to have the lawyers look over the potential buying consortium's business plan, which I would presume would have everything laid out in black and white, the buyers future intentions. b) as a Celtic supporter, it grieves me Rangers are out of Europe, because if I remember correctly, these were always the busiest times for the celtic Stores, when all the opposing teams fans, and even the teams themselves, spent a fortune on merchandise from the Celtic shops.
Another observation, if you swallow that pile of garbage from Murray, you deserve all the grief that is coming to you. You don't have anyone waiting to get you out of the financial hole you are in, and you can boast about the very large squad, but that very large squad have to be paid for, and I haven't heard any mention of the quality of background staff,ie sports science, physiotherapy etc., I would presume that there will have to be cost cutting in other areas, to pay all these players wages.
I am extremely happy with the way my club is being run, and I can see in the figures where the money goes, can you lot say the same.
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FAN OF GERRY,

glasgow 17/08/2008 11:13:10
#85 you continually go on about your educational achievements and that is where you fall down I'm afraid. for someone supposedly as educated as yourself to contribute some of the above comments is rather pathetic. you state earlier you didn't want to divulge more information as it may indeed reveal your identification. Maybe your peter lawell? you certainly come away with the same rhetoric.
lets wait until the end of the season and see who laughs last.
have a nice day
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sonofcosmos,

glasgow 17/08/2008 11:16:33
the past couple of weeks has reinforced certain "facts"..rangers fans are not critical enough and murray does have 80% of the media in his pocket..as wee unbiased chick said .."well david apart from being put out of europe you havent done much wrong.!! " you couldnt make it up...xxx
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Helter Skelter,

17/08/2008 11:16:59
Minty has no respect whatsoever for the rearrangerz fans.

He concocts this story for no reason other than to convince the fans at this difficult time that his heart is in the right place, and , incredibly, most of them seem to believe it.

This story absolutely pongs in terms of timing and content. It is an invention from begining to end and the rearrangerz fans should treat Minty with contempt for serving up such a huge helping of cow dung.
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sonofcosmos,

glasgow 17/08/2008 11:20:37
also funny ..the default position for the media when rangers sign a player is fantastic..etc..celtic sign loovens and its a case of where will he get a game ..who will be dropped etc etc..sad really xxx
ps mendes looks a good signing and lafferty looks quite good...
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RANGERS LOYALIST,

GB 17/08/2008 11:23:01
As I thought when this thread appeared the dims are loving it.
I'm glad to see the bears are being more positive.
SDM is now getting criticised for the interview but he was being slagged for saying nothing a couple of weeks ago.
Lafferty, Velicka, Miller, Mendes, Edu,Davis and Niguez.
Nice one Mr Murray.
Now the buck stops with Sir Walter.
Someone said our scouting needs looked at then criticised Rangers for selling Arteta etc.
Forgetting that our scouting found him in the first place.
The futures bright, the future's Red White and Blue.
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RANGERS LOYALIST,

GB 17/08/2008 11:26:35
#94 Typical slavering rant against celtics arch-enemy.
I have nothing but respect for SDM as have the majority of Rangers fans.
Thank you for out-spending celtic once again.
Thank you for staying for thr long-haul and not doing a Fergus McCann (how much did he bleed out of cfc?)
Thank you for putting Rangers before your family and your other businesses.
There's only one David Murray and I'm glad he's at Ibrox.
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sonofcosmos,

glasgow 17/08/2008 11:27:10
oh and what an article...spoon fed rubbish which the rangers fans suggesting celtic fans are just slagging for nothing ..do you believe this story..?? although to be fair murray has never been economical with the truth so it must be a fact....love him suggesting it was the "buyers" idea of carving up rangers and selling bits off he found difficult...really ironic..but then gers fans arent too hot on irony..
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sonofcosmos,

glasgow 17/08/2008 11:32:03
#96..some potentially good signings in that list..too bad you missed out on loovens...and i would be more worried about the future being red white and blue if you hadnt been saying that for the last 4 years...your club has still sold off your 2 best players oner the last season..but are not a selling club ..titter ye not xxx
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Helter Skelter,

17/08/2008 11:38:50
Minty wants out of Ibrox....let's be clear about that.

In fact Minty has been wanting out of ibrox for a lot more than the four years he's been prepared to admit to.

Minty liked it when things were going well during 9 in a row, when Celtic were penniless and he could attract players like Gasgoine and Laudrup.

Then along came Fergus. In the space of just a few years, Celtic were challenging again, and stopped what would have been 10 in a row.

Then Minty decided to fight back. He sacked Walter, brought in Advocaat and plunged the club into £85m worth of debt....but it didn't work...those heady days of dominance were gone, and despite collosal investment, Minty couldn't bring them back.

Minty wanted out from the moment he had to sack Advocaat and sign a cheque for £50m to keep the baillifs out of Ibrox.
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tomislav,

Serbian Loyal 17/08/2008 11:40:31
Just a thought, I would be interested to know if Cuellar has a similar clause in his Aston Villa contract
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sonofcosmos,

glasgow 17/08/2008 11:44:09
#102 ah trueblue a timely reminder of why these threads get closed..ill try one question do you believe murrays story ? if you do you deserve sympathy rather than scorn xxx
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Helter Skelter,

17/08/2008 11:45:03
102

The league WAS extended to accomodate the rearrangerz third consecutive unsuccessful title challenge.

But one league extension wasn't enough fur ra rearrangerz....they wanted another one, and if they got two, they'd have wanted three.

That's why we call them 'the rearrangerz'.
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Armo,

17/08/2008 11:48:53
"You get the feeling, though, that some of these detractors would like to see us lose because they think some white knight is going to come over the hill with a sword."


Im sure they would prefer a wee Dutch guy on a white horse but hey that's close enough.

No mention of the new 700 million stadium in this article. Surely the journalist should have remembered to ask about that?

WINALOT
WATP
ETC, ETC.....
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17/08/2008 11:50:00
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Helter Skelter,

17/08/2008 11:54:31
Lawell was quite correct to highlight the implications that allowing the rearrangerz a second league extension would have for the integrity of the league.

And he kept a dignified silence to Walter's rather unseemly, inarticulate rant. Perversely, one day we would read in the papers of Bainochio's angry denials that rearrangerz had even asked for an extension, then on another day, Minty was telling us that workers in paddy fields in China couldn't stop laughing at the spl's decision not to allow a second extension to the league schedule.

Minty was backed by Dick Advocaat who had just come back from a holiday in Bejing.
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sonofcosmos,

glasgow 17/08/2008 12:00:53
just for you trueblue..but at least if your gone this thread might survive

"CELTIC today have responded to press speculation that the club are pursuing a Japanese tour at the scheduled end of the SPL term to ‘kill off’ any plans for an extension to the season.

A club spokesperson said: "Following media speculation today, Celtic would like to confirm that it has not finalised any plans for an end-of-season tour.

“Celtic have been considering a possible invitation to tour Japan and this will be looked at in further detail over the next few weeks, but no final decision has yet been taken.

“Clearly, with Celtic now enjoying great support in Japan, this is something which the club needs to consider, as it did previously when we made a similar visit.

“The club can state very clearly that any discussions with regards to an end-of-season tour have been continuing for some time and have absolutely nothing to do with any recent debate around extending the SPL season"
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paulmac,

surrey 17/08/2008 12:18:25
Good afternoon Ladies......

What a load of old horse sh*t the above piece is...

Why has Minty decided...now...to tell all about this supposed meeting in London?...

Could it be that it never actually took place? and that it is just coincidence that he has been receiving dogs abuse over the last 2 weeks?....

After all.....the first question asked at any meeting of a potential buyer would have been.....what plans do you have?...

No one in Minty's position would have gone to the length of preparing the sale....to then ask the show stopper question at the death....

Or are we to believe that Minty prepared the sale without a care as to what their intentions where...until he was putting pen to paper?

Utter cobblers.....and if Rangers fans are happy to soak it all up like a sponge...then good luck to them...

At least David Edgar has had the baws to stand up and state not all appears well on the good ship Minty!
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paulmac,

surrey 17/08/2008 12:23:06
Why doesn't Minty release the name of the potential buyer?

After all they should be given the opportunity to respond to the accusation he has made in the above piece..about their intentions?

If he doesn't release the name...then we can assume the meeting never took place!
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Rod Lamon,

Crawely 17/08/2008 12:40:59
murray lies everytime he opens his mouth-he has sold off most of the money making aspects of the club to his own companies for next to nothing and seen them benefit from the profits-not Rangers.
Notice that becuase he has been the target this week he has been on all the media outlets but when its the club itself his dignified silence is legendary.
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Big John Colrain,

17/08/2008 12:43:59
To 49 & 83

This article is being offered up for all interested readers not the sole preserve of followers of FF or the Celtic View.

I am neither pro Murray or anti Murray

Any prominent buisnessman or football chairman that can boast of having 80% of the press in his back pocket deserves to be treated with cynicism and suspicion.

On the credit side he has shown great bravery and fortitude in overcoming personal tragedy.

He was the first Rangers Chairman since the First World War to knowingly and willingly sign an RC. Thereafter he recruited many of them. He engaged them at captaincy and managerial level.

The cynic in my wonders if this progress was merely his making a virtue out of necessity. After all Tommy Docherty 40 years ago predicted that Rangers would never be a force in football until they abandoned their racism/sectarianism (John Rafferty also alluded to this in this very newspaper).

I consider this article to be absolutely absurd and the only reason why Moonbeams rejected any alleged offer would be/will be on purely financial grounds.

Any criticisism that a Celtic man, like me, may make of SDM is powder-puff stuff compared to the bile and ingratitude expressed by so called football supporters like David Edgar et al.

SDM has denied them their noisy 'cultural' habits and shabby 'traditions' and thus he is detested by many members of his adopted 'family'.

SDM has become, sadly, a figure of fun and ridicule for most of my fellow Tims.

His new wife must surely be saying "David, get a life"
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RANGERS LOYALIST,

GB 17/08/2008 12:47:45
Are there any Rangers fans out there who think that SDM is spinning a load of lies?
Do any of you think that he totally fabricated the whole thing and the meeting didn't take place?
Any Gers fans who think that it's all a smoke-screen and he's just out to destroy Rangers and rob it of every penny he can get?

Or is it just dim, bitter, jealous ,frightened celtic fans?
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RANGERS LOYALIST,

GB 17/08/2008 12:49:31
#116 I wouldn't underestimate SDM if I was you.
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&Larrsonfixestheradio,

17/08/2008 12:49:57
Forget about outsourcing the Ibrox catering and the monumental JJB shirt deal and ask yourselves why Rangers sold the Albion Car park to MIH at a very reasonable price (lets put it this way Rangers were not difficult to deal with and sold it at a snip) and where (i.e what plot of land) the planning and building permission is been sought after ?

and come back on this thread later today and tell me its not an exit strategy ? examples would be appreciated.

Who in their right mind would not assest strip a part of their empire that was performing badly before selling it off ? examples would be appreciated.

Tell me the name of another PLC where the main shareholder openly admits at throwing away 100m? Could the other shareholder sue ? I know I would. Examples would be appreciated.

I am a Celtic fan and therefore I must be a liar.

People or peeple if you prefer can still have an intense rivalry and act civilised.
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&Larrsonfixestheradio,

17/08/2008 12:50:18
BTW who wrote this piece?
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paulmac,

surrey 17/08/2008 12:58:24
Have the Rangers figures to the end of June been released yet?
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The Buroo,

Glasgow 17/08/2008 13:24:10
What exactly were the so-called new owners going to sell, Sir David??

The club shops?
Ticket office?
Catering?
Youth Development?
Travel office?
Training Complex?


Hasnt Sir David beat these guys too it.

A sham of an article especially when you consider this isn't a tabloid news publication.

A Murray PR exercise!

Hang your head in shame Scotland on Sunday.
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RANGERS LOYALIST,

GB 17/08/2008 14:09:28
Obviously you dims haven't done much in the way of business since you filled in your last B1, but usually there's a thing called confidentiality involved.
#124 Perhaps you could enlighten me as to who owns Murray Park?
Even better, can you explain how SDM has sold Youth Development?
Your post makes as much sense as WGS away day CL tactics.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

17/08/2008 14:12:06
The whole David Murray issue has been done to death. Football fans are polarised - you either believe in him or you don't - so there's little point in hoping that an article or a discussion could cause even one poster to reconsider.

As a Rangers fan for the last 40 years, I have to say that the 20 years under Murray have been far more enjoyable than the previous 20 years. I think he has presided over 13 Scottish titles, and probably just as many domestic cups. We've seen RFC in the CL group stages numerous times, and we've been able to enjoy the talents of world class footballers such as Brian Laudrup, Paul Gascoigne and Ronald De Boer wearing the blue of RFC. We're the only professional football club in Scotland with a UEFA 5-star stadium, and we have a training facility that is virtually as good as you'll find anywhere.

There is no doubt that Murray allowed to much spending on players several years ago and took RFC to a dangerous debt level, but how many of us really minded while the £5 million footballers were regularly arriving at Ibrox? Certainly not me, but the bump back to financial reality has been painful.

I'm personally glad that SDM is now insisting that RFC only spend what money is actually being earned, rather than speculating and increasing debt. WS spent around £12 million on players in 2007, and has now spent around £18 million this summer. However, that £30 million is entirely covered by last season's European profits and the sales of Hutton and Cuellar, so our squad is improving without debt increasing, which is a great situation to be in.
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Helter Skelter,

17/08/2008 14:52:27
Great match at tannadice.

The Champions are getting back into their stride and have been in control for most of the forst 45 minutes.
United have had a couple of half chances, but they are at full stretch trying to keep Celtic at bay, and are generally seeking to hit us on the break.

Celtic are turning the screw and it seems only a matter of time before the goals start flying in.
United look as though they are just managing to keep us out, but how long will they last ?

C'mon the bhoys!
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Helter Skelter,

17/08/2008 15:08:31
Fantastic link up play between Wilson and McGeady on the left, Wilson crosses, it's picked up by Naka beyond the far post , lays it off to Hartley who drills home from 18 yards.

1v0 to the Champions and United will have to think about their tactics.
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RANGERS LOYALIST,

GB 17/08/2008 15:21:33
Can't believe the amount of empty seats at Tannadice.
That's why clubs like United struggle and are sh't.
No fans equals no money equals sh't football club.
It's only their own fault.
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RANGERS LOYALIST,

GB 17/08/2008 15:23:38
celtic are playing well now.
No way back for United.
#127 Perfectly put.
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RANGERS LOYALIST,

GB 17/08/2008 15:35:52
Sandazaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!
5 to 2 to score at any time!
On ye go wee man.
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Helter Skelter,

17/08/2008 15:36:14
Well deserved equaliser for united. We've been riding our luck for the last 10 minutes after controlling most of the match.

Time for big Sami...we had this game by the scruff of the neck and somehow contrived to lose our grip, but credit to DU for fighting their way back in...Game on.
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Teary Ennui,

17/08/2008 15:38:36
Basketball Caldwell. Reminds me of the final Old Firm game of last season. :0)
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RANGERS LOYALIST,

GB 17/08/2008 15:39:18
Samaras to score the winner, 89th minute....
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RANGERS LOYALIST,

GB 17/08/2008 15:40:52
What idiot said no way back for United??
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RANGERS LOYALIST,

GB 17/08/2008 15:42:43
Did Samarse have the wrong strip on?
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RANGERS LOYALIST,

GB 17/08/2008 15:50:55
Who signed that numpty Hinkel?
Nice one United, Sunday is now a happy place to be!

Come on the Gers!
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BEMUSED EXILE,

17/08/2008 15:54:29
A good result for Dundee Utd, and indirectly a good result for Rangers with regard to the title race.

A point was the least that the Tangerines deserved. Celtic's two SPL opponents thus far have received NO justice from the referees, IMO.
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Freethinker,

Edinburgh 17/08/2008 15:57:22
I think we need to understand that when the metal magnate say he wants to sell to someone who will be good for the long term interests of RFC I think he means someone who will offer him sufficient funds to help him replenish - so far as possible - the vast fortune MIM has subsidised the club with. At some point the byzantine web of interlinked accounting wheezes will do for him - unless he gets some serious dosh in.

Appropos David Edgar. Let's not forget that Edgar is no more than a mouthpiece for that unreconsructed bunch of deadbeats at Follow Follow - (Suck, Gub, Feriens etc) who created the RST. A bunch of extreme right-wing, Uber-Prod, Rangers fans who hate David Murray with a passion because they despise all attempts that Murray & co have made to modernise the club. These bigots want to turn the clock back to 1690 and generally still enjoy wading about in the red stuff. On Radio Scotland Edgar refused to criticise his fellow fans for signing the "Billy Boys" and was regally roasted by Graham Speirs for his sectarian ambivalence.

This is a poor puff piece by Tom English but he's right about one thing - who in their right mind would want to invest in a club with such a large element of anti-social thugs amongst their support? Have a wee look at You Tube if you want to see the scale of the "small number" of Rangers fans who disgrace themselves and their club.
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Chuckle Bhoy,

17/08/2008 16:01:31
143# Celtic in crisis, LOL. You lot are in with a great shout of the August Cup.

McDonald was mince today other than him our performance was a hell of alot better than last week.

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Helter Skelter,

17/08/2008 16:02:41
A draw at tannadice isn't a bad result, but it is disappointing after dominating for most of the match.

We mustn't forget that but for the shenanigans of mcurry last season, DU would most likely have clinched third spot.

We should have won today, but that's football...results don't always reflect the balance of play.
I see it as 2 points lost rather than 1 salvaged.
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Big Herp,

Blantyre 17/08/2008 16:10:49
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Scott Brown awful again today. Gravesen the same player with finishing ability. Agent Orange in our midsts!
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Big Herp,

Blantyre 17/08/2008 16:11:48
145
Justice from referees? Pots and kettles. Your mob couldn't even cheat their way to the league last year with the help from the refs!
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Big Herp,

Blantyre 17/08/2008 16:12:46
143
Title is coming home?
How many times have your mob won the SPL in its present state? Hmmm.
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Big Herp,

Blantyre 17/08/2008 16:16:30
153
Strachan on the radio there talking about how good the game was there. He should concentrate on the the duds of his team like "the World's greastest player" Caldwell, "Agent Orange Knuckled dragger" Brown and "Kangacoo" McDonald. They need their backsides kicked. Too casual and one paced. No wonder gave up my Parkhead season ticket. Dire!
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Big Herp,

Blantyre 17/08/2008 16:19:58
I should state that the aforementioned knuckle dragger is Scott Brown and not Rangers Loyalist!
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Daillyman,

17/08/2008 16:26:28
148 Helter

Celtic dominated most of the match?

Sorry I must have watched a different game, yes the tic could have won it, but their deadly strike duo missed 2 great chances that were harder to miss than score.

2 penalty claims for United, I thought Vanasseldonk grabbing Wilkie in full view if the the referee was more of a claim.

The United midfield bought for nothing,, more than held their own against the tic's supposed world class midfield.

Hey Tim when are the tic going "to hit top form and turn it on"?? Its been over a year now since we have been hearing that.
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Big Herp,

Blantyre 17/08/2008 16:29:32
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Celtic were poor today. Scott Brown the problem. Terrible. Celtic are conning the fans. Awful product for your season ticket money. I gave mine up as £500 is too much for this nonsense. They haven't kicked a ball in 2 years!
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Daillyman,

17/08/2008 16:36:15
With the purchase of Mendes, Edu and Davis to also come this week and the young Spnish lad things are looking a wee bit better.

The Gers will have good depth in the squad when our injured players are again fit.
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Big Herp,

159 17/08/2008 16:40:37
Still no creativity there tho. All defensive midfielders. You want Scott brown still? 50p and a packet of crisps!
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Daillyman,

17/08/2008 16:44:04
160

Is salt and vinegar crips okay.
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RANGERS LOYALIST,

GB 17/08/2008 17:10:17
I'm surprised at the lack of dims on here supporting their team.
It's not the end of the world.
Being 5 points behind at the start of September isn't either.
With world-class stars like Brown and Donati it'll soon be 4 in a row.
McDonald looked every inch a 750k player today.
Take nothing away from his goals last season. That was last season however.
NakaDiver looked a bit rusty although his p'shness was still obvious sometimes.
Hinkel showed why hw wasn't at Euro 2008.
Thingy was good though.
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Helter Skelter,

17/08/2008 17:24:28
As I sais, a draw at tannadice isn't a bad result.
4 points from 6 in Dundee is an excellent return against Levein's side in their own back yard.

Celtic had this game by the scruff of the neck, and Venegoor should have scored to put us 2v0 ahead.

I thought the one McDonald's chance wasn't half as good , as the angle wasn't great, the ball was dropping out the air and the goalie was in a good position to spread himself.
McDonald's idea was good - he tried to tuck it in at the near post which was his best option - but the execution was poor.

Big Jan had the whole goal right in front of him and as much time as you would ever expect to have inside the box from that range. A bad miss, but the best of strikers will miss from time to time.

On another day, at least 1 of those chances would have been converted and the Champions would have taken all three points against the third best team in the spl in their own back yard.
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Helter Skelter,

17/08/2008 17:26:36
The rearrangers have their first away fixture against a top 6 side next weekend, and we'll see how the land lies then.
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Daillyman,

17/08/2008 17:38:28
171

There is no doubt the Gers would rather still be involved in Europe, for any supporter to say the opposite is naive.

The fact is we were knocked out because were were not good enough over the two ties against a poor Kanaus side. These things happen as many tic supporters know.

The priority therefore is to try to win the SPL, 2 matches into the season and no one is gifting any side the title. There is an awful lot of football still to be played.
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Helter Skelter,

17/08/2008 17:44:48
172 Brian

I picked up your coment re Beckham at Madrid, and whilst it's true to say that he became a first team regular during the last 6 months of his contract, he had by then been told that he had no future at the club having failed to establish himself in the side.

Yes, it all turned out roses in the end, but he had failed to persuade them to extend his contract when it mattered.
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Helter Skelter,

17/08/2008 17:46:19
Madrid I hink did try to do a deal with him, but because he'd been told that he could leave, he had already made other plans.
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Helter Skelter,

17/08/2008 17:47:29
Still , I don't think Beckham is crying into his Bollinger too much.
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Colossus Mark 2,

17/08/2008 18:02:36
171:

1. Out of Europe.
2. Bazza injured for months.
3. McCurry disgraced and unlikely to provide same level of support as last season.
4. Adios, Carlos.
5. Cheerio now, Davis.
6. SDM wants out.
7. Still no sign of Webster or Stevie Smith.
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Colossus Mark 2,

17/08/2008 18:12:54
179:

with McCurry outed I think we'll all have a much better season. I feel sure only Rangurs will miss him.

Refs make mistakes. It has happened for as long as we've played football in this daft wee country.

The man who insists upon an infallible Ref is a fool.
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Helter Skelter,

17/08/2008 19:04:07
I don't think any discerning rangers fan believes a word of Minty's story, but at the moment the instinct to defend the fold is strong, and so Minty's nauseating story, which naturally puts Minty in heroic aspect, is being tolerated for the present.

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Helter Skelter,

17/08/2008 19:16:14
184

I said 'discerning' rangers fan.
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jerrymanders,

17/08/2008 19:23:57
#184

Moonbeams too?
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Daillyman,

17/08/2008 19:31:30
174 Helter/Patrick

I think being offered $1mil a week to play in LA. had something to do with the player not resigning with RM.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

17/08/2008 19:37:10
Interesting new tactic by The Scotsman...

On the Celtic match report, they invite you to "be the first to comment on this article", but they don't provide a comment window to do it in.

I see WGS in shock "Dundee Utd's claim wasnt a penalty, but ours against St Mirren last week was" proclamation.

An interesting season awaits.
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Big Herp,

Blantyre 17/08/2008 19:37:51
As a watcher of this forum for a while, could someone please explain why David "Sugar Daddy" Murray is called Minty Moonbeams?
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Big Herp,

Blantyre 17/08/2008 19:42:28
189
I think both todays and last weeks penalties were penalies, as was the one not given last week, as was the one in last years CIS Final, as well as last when Rangers played the Joker (McCurry) against Dundee United. Refs are just terrible in this country. As for Strachan, i'm don't take what he says too seriously. My concern is that he will continue to play Caldwell who was ballwatching all day today and was lucky not to give away 3 penalties. The Scottish media are frightened to criticise this fool cos he scored a meaningless goal against France
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Colossus Mark 2,

17/08/2008 20:00:25
pundit, 183

Perhaps you're not aware?

Davis left Hades at the end of last season!



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Colossus Mark 2,

17/08/2008 20:02:00
pundit, 186

Aye, it's goin really well for you this season, err.....all except.....err....

1. Out of Europe.
2. Bazza injured for months.
3. McCurry disgraced and unlikely to provide same level of support as last season.
4. Adios, Carlos.
5. Cheerio now, Davis.
6. SDM wants out.
7. Still no sign of Webster or Stevie Smith.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

17/08/2008 20:05:53
#193

I reckon that WGS plans to use Loovens alongside McManus, and relegate Caldwell to the bench.

WGS was actively pursuing a couple of £3 million-plus central defenders in recent weeks, and he certainly wouldn't have been handing over that kind of money for a substitute.

It's pretty obvious that he wants to replace Caldwell.
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Colossus Mark 2,

17/08/2008 20:06:15
BE, 189

the truth is simple:

1) DU player dived today. No pen.
2) Ref erred twice in St Mirren game. He didnt award a pen when he should (when the goallie hacked Jan) and he did award a penalty when he shouldnt.

The man who requires an infallible Ref is a fool.

With McCurry now outed, we can all have a better season - only Rangurs will miss him.
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Colossus Mark 2,

17/08/2008 20:10:09
Herp, 193

Are you really suggesting that all of Scotland's media are scared to criticise Caldwell cos he scored a gem v France?

Were you sleeping when the nice nurse brought your medicine?
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BEMUSED EXILE,

17/08/2008 20:11:16
Pax

If we get as many contentious decisions in our favour as Celtic over the course of the SPL season, I'll be satisfied.
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Colossus Mark 2,

17/08/2008 20:12:18
BE, 196

I'm no so sure....

Celtic have got a good team.
First 11 is good - not great.
He's trying to get good backups in all positions.

Loovens & Caldwell will fight it out. May the best man win. I dont know who that is - and I doubt WGS knows either.
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The Legs of Minty Moonbeams,

Cambuslang 17/08/2008 20:13:38
I think Herp is right about Caldwell!
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Colossus Mark 2,

17/08/2008 20:16:06
Pax to you too, 199

Funnily enough, if we get as many contentious decisions in our favour as Rangurs over the course of the SPL season, I'll be satisfied.

With McCurry outed and booted, we'll all see decisions from Refs - some for - some against. That's football.

Wee Gus hada right good whinge about the dicky pen last week. Various others said plenty too.

What did Gus have to say about his goallie chopping JVOH 5 mins before? And the others? Funny that, eh?
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The Legs of Minty Moonbeams,

Cambie 17/08/2008 20:17:12
200
Do you really think Celtic have a good team? I think most would disagree. The midfield needs balance and needs a bit more grit. With Scott McDonald is off form, they have to rely on Big Jan, who I thought did quite well today! They have been terrible to watch for the past few years as well.
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Jaggy,

17/08/2008 20:22:26
This article is a set-up. It reads like it has been commissioned by Murray with the specific intention at having a go at his detractors. Well ... we always knew that Murray was powerful in the Edinburgh business establishment and no doubt he has close ties to the Scotsman.

How come the we don't see the name of the journalist who wrote this? Could it be that it was written by Murray's PR guys?

The rest is entirely predictable. Well done to David Edgar for provoking a response. After all, Murray is so quick to defend Rangers on other occassions ... NOT.

Does anyone really believe that the frenetic transfer activity of the last few days would have happened without the barrage of criticism from the Rangers support ably led by the RST?

Byraway ... I don't believe a word of the London Hotel deal. name names and I might.
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Colossus Mark 2,

17/08/2008 20:22:45
I see various peepil who should know better already whingeing about Refs.

Really, yous should all know that Refs DONT have the benefit of slow motion replays and multi angle cameras.

You conveniently forget that whilst Setanta pundits participated in the whingeing, the commentary team initially had it as a penalty. It was only after watching it in slow motion from the THIRD angle that they belatedly deduced that it was not.

Eddie Smith did not have that luxury.

Yous "forget" too that JVOH had been chopped a few moments earlier - no penalty.

Let me put the whingers straight:

Today v DU - no pen - he dived.

Last Sunday v St Mirren - we were due a penalty and we got one - the wrong one!

These things balance themselves out over a season.

With McCurry away we're just back to human error - and that's always been a part of the game.
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Colossus Mark 2,

17/08/2008 20:24:01
203:

Dont like your chosen pseudonym - you should change it.

Sign out.

Sign in again and choose a decent pseudonym.
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The Legs of Minty Moonbeams,

c 17/08/2008 20:26:36
205
Well said. I went to the Motherwell aberdeen game on Saturday as a neutral. The ref was pants then as well. They're all pretty poor.
As for the commentators, are Crocker and Scott "closet" Booth paid to slag off Celtic? Booth is clueless and clearly bitter about Celtic not signing him years ago. They mentioned last weeks penalty about 50 times. It got so pathetic, my Motherwell supporting friend muted the TV.
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Colossus Mark 2,

17/08/2008 20:28:27
207: Go on - I've got plenty to say to you, but you should change that pseudonym.

Do not mock a man's disability. That's no' right.

Sign out. Sign in again with a different name.
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Chick Young's Toupee,

Cambie 17/08/2008 20:29:39
Hope you're happy
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Helter Skelter,

17/08/2008 20:30:17
Suspiucions should have been raised by the headline that accompanied the article that this one draws from :

'Saturday interview : Sir David Murray.'

The Scotsman doesn't have a regular 'Saturday interview' with anyone...this is a new slot, but it is introduced in a familiar, cardigan and slippers sort of way, as though we all sit down every week for the scotsman's 'Saturday interview.'

And then off-course, there's the timing of this Saturday interview : it didn't have anything to do with the wisely publicised threat that thousands of Rearrangerz fans intended to stage a demonstration of protest against Murray on Saturday afternoon...now that would be too much of a coinsidence.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

17/08/2008 20:32:44
Pax

I don't dispute much of your #205.

However, and this is important, you and I both know (whether you choose to admit it or not) that last week's penalty would NOT have been given if the incident had happened at the other end.

There is just a little more than human error at play here.
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Chick Young's Toupee,

cambie 17/08/2008 20:33:15
210
The hordes of Mordor surely have no right to demonstrate. They are the spoilt child of football. They get someone else's money for years, for nothing and when it dries up they want him out. Talk about biting the hand that feeds.
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Chick Young's Toupee,

Cambie 17/08/2008 20:34:18
211
Quite funny that last season I was shot down by Exile for suggesting the same thing about a referee in a Rangers match.
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Colossus Mark 2,

17/08/2008 20:35:37
209:

THANK YOU!

Yep, I do think we've got a good team. But it's not great, and he's gonna find it hard to improve it much as great players cost silly money.

First two games we've been tepid.

Opposition ready for Aiden.
Not much creativity coming from the RHS whether Robbo or Naka.

We're failing in the link up. Last season McD was dropping deep and linking up - then turning up in the box to finish.

McD doesnt look sharp yet - and isnae linking it up.

Broon is meant to be linking it.

Hartley is sittin deep so that Broonie can press on and link - but it isnae happening.

We're no getting any great penetration from the full backs either. Hinkel still looks poor.

Early days.....no panics....cos we've no real opposition....but we need more from:

Full backs
Broon
McD.


......especially in the CL.
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Daillyman,

17/08/2008 20:36:56
210

Why are people so obsessed with what SDM says, who cares? I would think the at yesterdays and today's matches would receive more of the comments.

The United player in my opinion took a bit of a dive hoping for a penalty in the 2nd half,

I thought the incident when Vanhesseldonk grabbed Wilkie in the box after the corner was more of a penalty.

Well done to the Accies for maximum points after 2 matches.
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Colossus Mark 2,

17/08/2008 20:38:27
Pax, 211

I honestly dont understand what you're implying.

Are you alluding to:

1) the sound of the crowd - 60,000 Celts baying for something
2) football favour
3) bribery & corruption
4) other
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Daillyman,

17/08/2008 20:38:49
214

Good football post
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Chick Young's Toupee,

Cambie 17/08/2008 20:39:37
214
Broon is particularly poor. They signed him when they already had a similar player, with finishing ability, in Gravesen. I think Robson is better through the middle than out wide as he has no pace. McGeady gets triple marked most of the time. McDonald look a tad heavy. Celtic need a left footed left back and Hinkel is the 3rd best right back at the club. As for Caldwell, he is a prime example of pride before a fall! Phew!
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Colossus Mark 2,

17/08/2008 20:39:59
216:

EXCELLENT POST.

I agree with every word.

I had forgotten the JVOH incident.

You're right - that DID look like a pen when we watched it on our TV screens.
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Colossus Mark 2,

17/08/2008 20:42:14
218:

Thank you.

I'd also like to draw your attention to #206 & 208.

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Colossus Mark 2,

17/08/2008 20:43:28
Chick 219

Agree most of that, except Caldwell.

Not his best game today, but I do think he's been great recently.

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BEMUSED EXILE,

17/08/2008 20:45:00
Pax

Correct. I am alluding to 1)

If he gives a penalty at one end that he wouldn't have given at the other, then it's more than mere human error.
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Chick Young's Toupee,

Blantyre 17/08/2008 20:45:28
I think when he believes the hype he messes up, much like today after GS praised him during the week. I hope he doesn't score a Scotland goal again, that created the monster the last time.
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Colossus Mark 2,

17/08/2008 20:45:46
pundit, 215

IF he's signing tomorrow, does that not alert you to the FACT that he had left - hence my cheeeeeeeeeeeerio comment?
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Chick Young's Toupee,

Cambie/Blantyre/Hamilton/The World 17/08/2008 20:47:07
226
Rangers can have Davis, he was dreadful the last few games of last season.
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Helter Skelter,

17/08/2008 20:47:49
I think the heat is really on Hinkel now.

Overall , last season he did ok, but many of us thought that after a full pre-season and a championship medal, he would have started this season brightly, making an indisputable claim for the RB bearth.

But if anything, he looks slightly worse than last season. He has admitted himself that his performances haven't been great, but with Caddis waiting in the wings, he can't expect to get too many more chances.

He really has to get the finger out quick or see himself fall through the ranks, because once Caddis gets a run, he'll hold on tight.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

17/08/2008 20:49:48
#227

So was Cuellar. In fact, pretty much the whole team, if we're being honest.

Davis will only be required to play around 40 matches this season, as will the others. I think he'll do really well.
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Colossus Mark 2,

17/08/2008 20:50:07
Pax, 224

Aye, I do agree with you re #1.

That's a natural part of football too. Always has been. I guess it's euphemistically referred to as the "12th man"

Annoying for the diddy teams - but c'est la vie.

Good thing is that it should even itself out over a season for the champions and their main challengers.
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Chick Young's Toupee,

Cambietron 17/08/2008 20:50:24
228
Indeed, i remember watching this guy for Stuttgart and he was brilliant. He is another example of a big rep player coming here and flopping.
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Chick Young's Toupee,

Cambie 17/08/2008 20:51:36
231
If Refs got everything right, this forum would be redundant!
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Colossus Mark 2,

17/08/2008 20:51:51
pundit, 229

He has left The Rangers FC. If you disagree - tell me which games he has played for Rangurs this season.
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Colossus Mark 2,

17/08/2008 20:52:16
233:

The man who requires an infallible Ref is a fool.
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Daillyman,

17/08/2008 20:52:47
225

Watching the tic play today I don't understand why a lot of the criticism of Caldwell, and not just on today's threads.

Last year for half a season he was played out of position, and at times struggled. Moved back into the middle has formed a decent partnership with McManus.

When the Gers play the tic I hope we push everything down Hinkels side, for a German internationalist he is very poor and is easily beaten as United proved today, all the danger came from Uniteds left side.

Caldwell although not world class is a decent SPL centre half.
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Colossus Mark 2,

17/08/2008 20:52:59
235:

Thank you for printing CONFIRMATION that Davis has LEFT Rangers.
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Colossus Mark 2,

17/08/2008 20:54:50
228 & 232

I wonder whether the frenetic nature of SPL doesnt suit some continentals.

In other countries it tends to be more slow slow fast and technical. Here it tends to be hurry skurry and clatter.

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Colossus Mark 2,

17/08/2008 20:55:47
239:

THANK YOU!!!

My point is exactly that - he left Rangurs - hence my cHeeerio now comment! OMG - you're slow!!!
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Helter Skelter,

17/08/2008 20:55:47
232

I'd stick with hinkel for the time being. It isn't as though he's shocking but he is a day late an' a dollar short in terms of what we were expecting.

He will have to get his act together and produce a solid performance next week...if he's still looking shaky, Strachan has a big decision to make about whether to start him against rearrangerz.
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Chick Young's Toupee,

Cambie 17/08/2008 20:56:14
Does anyone else thing Scott Brown is Thomas Gravesen with a mask on? I've never seen them play together?
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Colossus Mark 2,

17/08/2008 20:56:57
242:

I reckon he'll get one more start.

Then I reckon Wilson will return, with Nayls on the left.

I reckon Hinkel sold the equaliser today.
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Colossus Mark 2,

17/08/2008 20:57:39
243: Nah. Broon disnae give the ball away as much.
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Chick Young's Toupee,

244 17/08/2008 20:58:18
Celtic do have a weakness at stopping crosses coming into the box from wide positions, for several seasons now! Bring back Telfer
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Colossus Mark 2,

17/08/2008 20:59:47
BE, 230

Aye, Rangers lacked the depth for the toils of a full season.
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Chick Young's Toupee,

17/08/2008 20:59:48
243
I think they both give it away too much
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Colossus Mark 2,

17/08/2008 21:00:43
246: Levein is a clever man. They knew Hinkel is our weakness and were targetting him the whole second half.
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Pattie O'Dores,

17/08/2008 21:01:53
#127

Bemused Exile

Your loyalty to SDM is commendable but Indefensible. The fact that you can easily forgive his current indiscretions because he delivered Gascoigne, Laurdup and De Boer in the 90s is, frankly, burying your head in the sand. The Cuellar affair, whereby, WS has now revealed that the transfer negotiations started at the end of last season and that the player was left out of the CL qualifying matches v Kaunas to maintain his transfer value shows that SDM attached far more importance to obtaining the maximum possible transfer fee at the expense of ensuring his club's European progress. He has openly admitted that he has tried to sell the club but pulled out at the 11th hour when he realised that the new owners planned to sell off its assets. Instead, he decided to stay in charge and sell them off himself. How can you still retain loyalty to this guy? Blind faith?
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Colossus Mark 2,

17/08/2008 21:03:03
248: Maybe.

Broon is young, and has great potential. He's no enjoying this strict 4\4\2 as much as his free role in Hibeeeeeees 4\3\3.

At Hibeeeeeees he was a free spirit. WGS demands expression within a strict shape and Broon is finding it limiting.

Be patient - he'll get there.

The other fella is just a diddy.

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Helter Skelter,

17/08/2008 21:04:04
We were much more fluid today than last week, created more chances and just looked much better overall, barring the last 15-20 minutes.

So, on the positives, our performance level has taken a big step forward...I thought Naka made a huge difference, injecting the play with his vision and passing. I was amazed at his fitness, and didn't think he was tiring when he was pulled although that was no doubt precautionary.
Naka brought the invention and danger to our game that was totally absent last week.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

17/08/2008 21:05:31
Just watched the BBC highlights of the Rangers V Hearts game. A few comments.

Broadfoot - I'll accept that you stumbled, big man, but if that was a dive, it was not only wrong, but embarrassingly poor! Either way, certainly not a free kick, so I'm glad that it came to nothing.

Mikoliunas - Your reputation precedes you, son, but you really can't argue with either yellow, IMO.

Miller - a superb jinking run that led to the late penalty - and definitely the correct decision, IMO.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

17/08/2008 21:14:39
#250

I've nothing to add to my #127. As I said, you either believe in the guy or you don't.

Don't want to go down the Cuellar road again either. Both the player and Aston Villa have confirmed the existence of the escape clause, so any talk of RFC trying to maximise the fee is just nonsense, IMO.
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Colossus Mark 2,

17/08/2008 21:16:54
Pax, 254

I'm inclined to sympathise with SDM re the Carlos story.

I do think he's suffering because deep down most Gers know he spins yarns.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

17/08/2008 21:17:38
And, to add to my #253, the Bougherra penalty shout - the guy turned his back on an oncoming shot and it struck the back of his upper arm which was fairly tight against his body.

To say that would have been a soft penalty is putting it very mildly.
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Colossus Mark 2,

17/08/2008 21:17:54
252: Aye.

When Naka PLAYS it's harder for teams to concentrate 3 on Aiden - or Naka then hurts them.
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Colossus Mark 2,

17/08/2008 21:19:21
256: funnily enough, similar incident in the McCurry game at Ibrox when ball hit John Kennedy hand. Many (most?) Gers here insisted that should have been a penalty.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

17/08/2008 21:40:06
Walter Smith himself admitted that 10 million euros seemed like a very high price for Cuellar's escape clause when the player signed for £2.3 million.

Hindsight is a great thing, but most on here would have laughed a year (or even less) ago if anyone had suggested that RFC would be able to sell Cuellar this summer for almost £8 million.

Indeed, #259, it's less than 8 months ago since you claimed that RFC would get "much less than £6 million" for the sale of Alan Hutton, and that he'd only attract the interest of a lower order Premiership club. You certainly didn't come out of that one looking too clever.

Actually, if you balance the Cuellar sale against the purchase of Bougherra, Davis and Mendes, all Premiership players, for roughly the same money, then it's a good footballing deal as well as a good financial deal.
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I_N_R_I,

17/08/2008 21:44:33
Pax, 260

Agree the core of your post but doubt your closing para.

Let's say RFC bought all three for the €10M they got for Carlos, which I think underpins your post.

1) How old is Carlos - Mendes will be 30 in Feb.
2) How much did Carlos earn? Will his salary pay the 3 you cite? I doubt it. Someone told me Mendes alone was 32k pw?
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BEMUSED EXILE,

17/08/2008 21:59:04
#261

Don't think that the age really matters. After all, Mendes, who you correctly say is 29, is on a 3-year contract, so he should make it through that before age begins to wither him.

Of course the three will earn more combined than Cuellar, but it doesn't change the fact that raising the purchase price of all three by selling only one is good business.

As for the wages, I frankly doubt it. Saw an SDM interview the other day where he laughingly said that Rangers "didn't do 35k wages" with regard to a player that he was interested in. In fact, the inference was that RFC don't even come close to 35k wages. I'd be surprised if anybody was on more than 25k.
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Daillyman,

17/08/2008 22:04:26
263 Bemused

FYI on Edu, it was announced on the telly Friday that the player was going to Rangers, but so far nothing has been printed on the TFC or MLS websites regarding the deal. Maybe waiting for work permit issues to be be sorted first?
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Daillyman,

17/08/2008 22:05:11
264

Come on Idee change the record please!
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17/08/2008 22:11:19
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BEMUSED EXILE,

17/08/2008 22:16:55
#264

More lies, that should not go unchecked.

Smith never threatened to resign. He merely pointed out that when the supporters turn against the manager, it usually results in the manager leaving.

What he was actually saying was that if he couldn't win over the fans, he'd end up out of a job. Perfectly reasonable assertion.

I personally believe Smith and Murray, on the whole, and I'm a Rangers fan. And I'm certain I'm not alone.
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17/08/2008 22:18:39
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Pattie O'Dores,

17/08/2008 22:32:16
#254

BE

As I said, blind faith!
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Pattie O'Dores,

17/08/2008 22:46:40
#276

Follow, follow we will follow on. Up to our knees is smoke, mirrors and cow dung........
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I_N_R_I,

17/08/2008 22:49:15
pundit, 277

Are you aware that Rangers are out of European competition but Queen of the South are still in?

How the mighty have fallen, eh?

Out of Europe before QoS!!!!lol!!!!LOL!!!!
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BEMUSED EXILE,

17/08/2008 23:03:09
Rangers have announced that Edu has signed a 5-year deal, subject to a work permit being issued.

Everything has also been agreed between Rangers and Steve Davis, but the deal won't be officially signed and sealed until Davis has tied up loose ends with Fulham. no problems envisaged.

A whole new midfield four in the space of 5 days, and at a cost of around £9 million.

That's how to conduct transfer business.
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17/08/2008 23:08:04
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17/08/2008 23:20:10
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BEMUSED EXILE,

17/08/2008 23:21:50
Personally, I see great parallels between the current situation and the beginning of the 2002/03 season.

Just as now, Rangers had finished 2nd behind Celtic in the SPL the previous season, and had won both domestic cups.

Just as now, Rangers had started the season disappointingly by exiting Europe at the first hurdle against a small Eastern European team.

Just as now, Rangers had started the season by selling their biggest asset to the Premiership, when Tore Andre Flo moved to Sunderland for around £7 million.

And just as now, Rangers had introduced into their midfield a talented young Spaniard, Mikel Arteta.

Rangers of course, freed from the additional pressures of European football, and able to fully concentrate on domestic success, ended that season with a glorious Treble.

The omens are good.
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Colossus Mark 2,

17/08/2008 23:30:13
pundit, 287

Are you aware that Rangers are out of European competition but Queen of the South are still in?

How the mighty have fallen, eh?

Out of Europe before QoS!!!!!
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Colossus Mark 2,

17/08/2008 23:31:13
pundit, 287

also, there is strong rumours that Bazza will leave, i wonder what the gers fans will say wen that happens
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17/08/2008 23:32:21
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Colossus Mark 2,

17/08/2008 23:35:59
291: but it is YOU who wasnt aware that Davis had said cheeerio to Rangurs.

How have QoS lasted longer in Europe than Rangurs?
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Colossus Mark 2,

17/08/2008 23:36:37
292: no, he's goin to a championship side. strong rumour.
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17/08/2008 23:43:26
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Colossus Mark 2,

17/08/2008 23:59:35
pundit, 295

Aye, his loan was finito!

Back to Fulham FC.

Cheeerio now, to Rangurs.
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Colossus Mark 2,

18/08/2008 00:01:16
297: suing is a two way street. SDM wouldnae dare.

Anyway...his worst haters are Gers!!!
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Colossus Mark 2,

18/08/2008 00:02:13
punter, 295

Re Bazza goin to the Championship when he's ready.

Yep, strong rumour. Impeccable sources.
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Colossus Mark 2,

18/08/2008 00:03:36
pundit,

Were Rangurs kicked oot of Europe by some Lithuanian dross because they were a really good team?
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Colossus Mark 2,

18/08/2008 00:14:05
303: I'm no slaggin Gers. Just telling you reality: yer Davis said Cheeeeerio now!
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Colossus Mark 2,

18/08/2008 00:14:51
303; OK, you're taking the news re the Bazza rumour bad. Sorry m8. That's life. He's offski.
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Colossus Mark 2,

18/08/2008 00:26:03
307: my point is that he said Cheeeeeeeeeerio now! You objected repeatedly to that truth.
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Colossus Mark 2,

18/08/2008 00:27:00
307: Exactly. Mendes and Edu in centre. Thommo on left, SD on right. Bazza....offski.
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Colossus Mark 2,

18/08/2008 00:31:27
310: SDM will tell the Govan smellies soon. Honest.
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Colossus Mark 2,

18/08/2008 00:35:02
312: Oh, right. OK then.
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SingaporeSlingYerhook,

singapore 18/08/2008 08:32:47
'Everything was agreed. We came within a few hours of selling the club'

- aye, sure & people reading this guff came within a few nanoseconds of believing it - NOT!
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Colossus Mark 2,

18/08/2008 10:20:16
pundit, 314

Oh, I saw the light a long long time ago.

I see you're still in the darkness.
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G&t4me,

18/08/2008 19:05:16

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