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Published Date: 30 August 2009
THE national manager has been kicked from pillar to post but poor results have left him vulnerable to abuse, argues Tom English
REMEMBER THAT Monty Python scene, the one from the Holy Grail where Arthur, King of the Britons, encounters the Black Knight in the forest? "None shall pass," says the Black Knight. So Arthur chops off his arm. "'Tis but a scratch," says the Knight.
So Arthur chops off his other arm.

"Just a flesh wound," protests the Knight. So Arthur chops off a leg.

"The Black Knight always triumphs!" So off comes his other leg.

"All right," says the Knight. "We'll call it a draw."

At times during this qualifying campaign, George Burley has sounded a bit like the ill-fated Knight. He's been brave but a touch desperate in his defiance.

When Scotland lost their opening match to Macedonia, Burley described his team as "outstanding" and said they'd get over the body blow. When two more points were dropped, at home to Norway, he did his equivalent of the "'Tis but a scratch" speech in the aftermath. When Holland beat them 3-0 in Amsterdam, he called it a mere blip, when Norway lacerated them in Oslo, he may as well have called it "just a flesh wound".

He said the drubbing, though shocking, had changed nothing. Six points from their two remaining games and they'd finish second in the group, he stated. Second in the group gives them a chance of making the play-offs. And in the play-offs, anything can happen.

Burley is really trying to be strong here, trying to be upbeat ahead of the critical game with Macedonia on Saturday, trying to rally the nation around his team, but he's been cut by this campaign, he's been hurt by some of the flak that has come his way.

"We've been knocked from pillar to post in the press," he says. "To be honest, I try not to get too involved with what the press say. If I did, it would knock the stuffing out of me. For other people – my family, my parents – I think it's way over the top. But it's something I have to deal with. I don't think it helps anybody. I don't see the point in it. We should all be in it together. But that's what's happened. It's not going to distract me."

But, clearly, it has distracted him. Or else, he'd be brushing it off, making light of it and poking fun at the perpetrators, the people who dressed him as a donkey on the back page the morning after Oslo. And those others who, he has claimed, jump on his quotes, mangle their meaning, and use it against him.

"It's like anything in life, when you get knocked down it's a test of character. That's what it is. You've got to go out there fighting. We need everybody to stick together because there's been a lot of stuff said which has been completely out of order. That's been from day one. I've already seen it again today (Wednesday] in the Daily Record, who seem to have a personal vendetta against myself – and that was before a ball was kicked in the World Cup. But you've got to stand up and be counted, to do your best no matter what's said, because you're representing your country. It's possible for us to still get to the play-offs so we've got to have the belief to do it.

"Certain aspects upset you, there's no doubt about that. I'm sure that's the same with any managerial job. There are certain things that people twist for their own agenda. That's happened, but it's something you've got to take on board."

The problem for Burley is that his poor results have left him open to denigration. And some of his explanations for those poor results have been unimpressive, to say the least. Unless he finishes with a flourish, the greatest trial lawyer in the world would struggle to present a worthwhile case for his defence. His Scotland future, therefore, will be decided in the next ten days.

"If you don't get the right result, that's something you have to take on the chin. I think the most important thing for the country, and for me, is to be strong and make sure it doesn't affect you, because if it does, it's going to hamper you doing your job. That's a test of character for me and the players and that's why it's important we're all focused, no matter who says what. I don't get involved with it (the press abuse]. It's not good for your family, but it does happen. I don't think it does anybody any favours, but you have to take it on the chin and move on. It's important to ignore it."

Part of the problem is that he doesn't ignore it. Alas, one of the key survival points for any Old Firm or Scotland manager is an ability to rationalise what's written about you and not let it fry your brain. Burley struggles on that front.

He is a decent man and a good football manager. He's proven it. But he is stuck in a bad situation now. It's not all of his own making, but it is his to deal with. There's been some daft fixture scheduling from his employers, some unpardonable trouble-making in the dressing-room and some flim-flamming leadership in high office at the SFA. But the team selections and the results are his responsibility. And he needs two good ones, back to back, if he's going to salvage his reputation.

Macedonia shouldn't be feared, but they're due a whole lot of respect. Burley insists that Scotland deserved a point from their first meeting, last September. Nonsense. Macedonia created more chances and were clear and deserving winners. A few weeks ago, they entertained Spain in a friendly. Macedonia went into a 2-0 lead with goals from Goran Pandev, their quarrelsome but talented striker. Spain, with Fernando Torres and David Villa and Xavi and Xabi Alonso all in the starting line-up and Cesc Fabregas on the field from the 48th minute, scored three times in rapid order and were ahead by the hour mark. Macedonia hit the post late in the game.

Coming within a few inches of a 3-3 draw with a strong Spanish side is decent form. Pandev's state of mind is also an issue here. He is a talented player trapped in a club he no longer wants to play for. He's fighting with everybody at Lazio at the moment, from the tea lady to the president. Clearly, his unhappiness proved something of a spur against the Spaniards. If he comes to Glasgow with the same "I'll prove you wrong" mentality, then Scotland will have a job keeping him quiet.

Especially with the problems Burley has at centre-back. There's Davie Weir – and, in the absence of the suspended Gary Caldwell, possibly not a lot else. Christophe Berra and Steven Caldwell are only inching their way back from injury and Stephen McManus, though in training for three weeks, has only played a bounce game so far this season.

"That's the reality of the squad," says Burley. "On Macedonia, I watched the DVD of the Spain game where they did very well, especially first-half when they led 2-0 through two cracking Pandev goals. He's elusive, with great movement. They're no pushovers, they've shown that, and we'll have to be at our best.

"They play with three forwards and they're quite adventurous. Usually the first half they're at their most dangerous. In the last 20 minutes they maybe slacken a little bit, so it's important for us to be patient and strong and keep going until the end. We shouldn't concede early because the longer the game goes on, we'll get opportunities."

Scotland have failed to score in three of Burley's five games at Hampden. They've only got six goals and two wins in ten games under his management. Good things have to start happening for him, and quick. For these numbers are going to come back and haunt him soon otherwise.

"Hopefully the 15 years experience as a manager before I came here will give me belief in myself because if I don't, the players haven't got a chance," says Burley. "It's still possible, there's still the desire there. I was fortunate enough to go to a World Cup and I've told the players to be really focused because they might not get another opportunity."

The same goes for Burley himself.





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Dundee Pie,

Tumbleweed 30/08/2009 00:19:04
An eerie silence on the boards these days.
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Iain Mac,

30/08/2009 08:24:28
Per Rangers...

Was hardly a CL performance against Hearts last week. If Hearts weren't so woeful just now, Rangers would've been hammered.
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Honest Timothy Malloy esq,

30/08/2009 08:57:32
#1

It's quiet because the mods are no allowing people to express an honest opinion.

Abuse etc is one thing, but just saying how you see it should not result in deletion and banning.

Most "argumentive" posters have moved to other forums such as the Daily Record, BBC and Evening Times. Sad because the Scotsman is the best and clearest format.

So in summary,

Good software
Poor moderation
Had a decent audience now vanishing rapido.


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Honest Timothy Malloy esq,

30/08/2009 08:59:49
#3 Ninny

I'll say something for you, you've got a sense of humour.
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Honest Timothy Malloy esq,

30/08/2009 09:00:30
#3 Ninny

So how many Rangers fans do you reckon there are in Scotland?
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Honest Timothy Malloy esq,

30/08/2009 09:12:15
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Thanks for the compliment.

You clamed the "majority" of the population. So how many is that?

Back up YOUR claim.
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Not Me,

30/08/2009 09:21:37
TM

Last night you suggested that all supporters of the Rangers should be "careful".

Please explain?

As honsetly as you can.....
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Not Me,

30/08/2009 09:22:53
honsetly?

hangover.

honestly....
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Honest Timothy Malloy esq,

30/08/2009 09:35:12
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Actually I never at any time said "All Rangers fans should be careful"

You have the wrong guy on that one my friend.
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Not Me,

30/08/2009 09:37:48
Apologies TM,

Having re-read your post you actually stated that the Rangers and their fans didn't know the meaning of the word "careful"....

Whilst you may like to point out my own failings here in this regard - I would suggest my intention to get it right by re-reading would prove otherwise so - please explain?
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Honest Timothy Malloy esq,

30/08/2009 09:38:24
NOT ME

Nor did I suggest that Rangers fans should be careful.

You've got the wrong guy, I'm afraid.
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Honest Timothy Malloy esq,

30/08/2009 09:41:04
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Ninny don't be an idiot now.

YOU said (not me but YOU) that Rangers fans make up the majority of the population. I am asking YOU to back up YOUR statement. Easy.

So can you back it up?

Or are you just typing piles of anti-celtic bile.

Come on son, if you make the statements you have to back them up. Otherwise it's NOT fact but mere opinion. And as everyone knows on this site - your opinion is seriously flawed.
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Honest Timothy Malloy esq,

30/08/2009 09:41:46
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Explain what?
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Not Me,

30/08/2009 09:43:36
TM

When someone apologises for getting it wrong it is customary to end that there.

However you did say that the Rangers and their fans do not know the meaning of the word "careful" - post 84 last evening a response to HBOS Idee.....
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Not Me,

30/08/2009 09:46:07
TM

Being deliberately obtuse as well

Thats becoming a trait for some on here.

Please explain your comment as outlined earlier.
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Honest Timothy Malloy esq,

30/08/2009 09:47:05
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OK I accept your apology.

Let's end it here, if you want. Or if you want me to spend a few hours highlighting Rangers FC owner and employees and their fans "carelessness" I will do so, if that helps you understand my post.

All it will do is create a t1t for tat never ending slanging match. Then the mods will delete posts, then ban posters and another thread will be shut down. Is that what you want?
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Honest Timothy Malloy esq,

30/08/2009 09:49:33
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Obtuse? Once again I think you have the wrong poster. I am probably one of THE most direct posters on this site - hence all my name changes for being banned for saying it as I see it.
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Not Me,

30/08/2009 09:54:15
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TM don't be an idiot now.

YOU said (not me but YOU) that Rangers and their fans do not know the meaning of the word "careful". I am asking YOU to back up YOUR statement. Easy.

So can you back it up?

Or are you just typing piles of anti-rangers bile.

Come on son, if you make the statements you have to back them up. Otherwise it's NOT fact but mere opinion. And as everyone knows on this site - your opinion is seriously flawed.

spot the similarity.....

sometimes being careless could just be construed as taking risks..... perhaps even calculated - that don't come off.

anyway, it would appear that you are prepared to generalise but when others do so it is merely anti celtic bile.....

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Honest Timothy Malloy esq,

30/08/2009 09:57:18
Not me I am quite happy to back up the statement. If you want me to. But I warn you all the idiots will jump aboard and it will start an abusive hate-fest.

Your call.
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Not Me,

30/08/2009 10:02:08
TM

I'm of swimming wi the kids.

you start your abusive hate fest if you like do not try to use me as your get out of jail free card - you seem to have been doing nicely for months without me.



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Honest Timothy Malloy esq,

30/08/2009 10:02:46
Not Me

Be careful
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Honest Timothy Malloy esq,

30/08/2009 10:03:20
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So how many?

Back up yer statement...

or run rabbit
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Honest Timothy Malloy esq,

30/08/2009 10:05:22
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So did you skip the arithmetic class at school or what?

Numbers were created to quantify.

Can you quantify your statement?

How many Rangers fans are there in Scotland?
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Honest Timothy Malloy esq,

30/08/2009 10:11:59
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Prove in my previous posts where I claimed Petrov was NOT a serial diver. Prove it?

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Honest Timothy Malloy esq,

30/08/2009 10:13:19
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HOLD ON.

YOU stated Rangers fans make up the majority of the population.

I asked "How many is that?"

For some strange reason you can't quantify it.

Are you innumerate?
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Honest Timothy Malloy esq,

30/08/2009 10:18:10
TruthHurts/Ninny

In a court of law, the burden of proof is on the prosecution.

If you are going to "prosecute" and make accusations then I have a right to defend. But YOU (not me) YOU have to show evidence.

But as usual you have no evidence.

You have no credibility.

You have no intellect or wit to counter in a serious debate.

But I am glad you are trying to engage because the whole site can see just how limited you are. I hardly need to slate you, you are tearing yourself apart with your own stupidity and lack of intelligence.

If I were you I'd quit and maybe run off to some tabloid where you might find your level.

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Honest Timothy Malloy esq,

30/08/2009 10:19:29
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TRY POST #3

You are getting slowly buried here mate.

Tabloid land awaits your arrival.
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Honest Timothy Malloy esq,

30/08/2009 10:20:50
#38

Bile and more bile...

Go let it out

Then run rabbit

Tabloid land will like you
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Honest Timothy Malloy esq,

30/08/2009 10:26:34
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9 reasons why RFC will progress.

1. Easiest posssible group

2. The home crowd will be something the romanians and stuggart will struggle with

3. Smith's negative tactics will ensure at least 2 away draws.

4. Novo's capable of scoring out of nothing

5. The fixture dates are favourable - ie...Sevilla as the last game. By then Sevilla may have qaulified.

6. The cluggers in the RFC defence are capable of intimidating the spanish, romanians and germans

7. Ally's belly might have the opposition falling around in fits of laughter

8. The refs might be masonic

9. Penalties - when you are struggling you have players capable of diving in the box and winning penalties.
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Honest Timothy Malloy esq,

30/08/2009 10:27:06
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How many Rangers fans are there in Scotland?
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Honest Timothy Malloy esq,

30/08/2009 10:27:51
#41

More bile and bigotry.

Sad.

Run off rabbit...tabloid land will welcome you
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Honest Timothy Malloy esq,

30/08/2009 10:31:23
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Run rabbit run

Off to your relatives.

Mind and keep your mouth shut, otherwise they'll realise just how thick you are.
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Honest Timothy Malloy esq,

30/08/2009 10:32:48
#47

LOL! A daft RFC fan who doesn't know how many RFC fans there are in Scotland. Can't even hazard a guess. Can't even provide a ballpark figure.

Sad?

He certainly is.
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Honest Timothy Malloy esq,

30/08/2009 10:33:25
#47

I accept your surrender.

Mission accomplished.
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Honest Timothy Malloy esq,

30/08/2009 10:35:37
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Well change those y fronts son.

Yer relatives will notice.

Run rabbit run
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Honest Timothy Malloy esq,

30/08/2009 10:39:35
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Truth certainly seems to be hurting you.

Now run off to your relatives.

You are embarrassing yourself.

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Honest Timothy Malloy esq,

30/08/2009 10:40:24
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Your failure to answer post #7 means YOU lose.

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Honest Timothy Malloy esq,

30/08/2009 10:43:03
#57

What else do you expect?

You get honesty from me, from Ninny/Truthhurts you just get bile.

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Honest Timothy Malloy esq,

30/08/2009 10:44:47
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I expect Rangers to progress with 9 points.

2 home wins
1 Home draw to Sevilla
2 away draws
1 away defeat to Sevilla

In the knockouts I think you'll get walloped though.
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Honest Timothy Malloy esq,

30/08/2009 10:52:44
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You've nothing to fear from either Stuggart or the romanians.

Sevilla will have a bit too much, but your capable of shutting up shop v them.

You can progress and I think you will.

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Honest Timothy Malloy esq,

30/08/2009 10:53:48
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Burley is a Rangers man. His whole family are Rangers fans. (I knew his uncle)
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Honest Timothy Malloy esq,

30/08/2009 11:05:27
Sevilla is the right spelling and Burley is a Rangers man. As I say I worked with his uncle for a few years who told me they supported Rangers and there wee team was Ayr Utd (where the family come from).



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Honest Timothy Malloy esq,

30/08/2009 11:06:13
Though Sevilla will have too much for RFC, Rangers are still capable of getting a goal-less draw at home.
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LloydsBankingGroup,

30/08/2009 11:16:40
Sir David Murray(former chairman)doesn`t know how many Rangers fans he`s got.

For example,in the middle of last season when the We Deserve Better campaigners were in full voice,fully supported by The Rangers Supporters Trust,David refered to their campaign as being conducted by a handful of Rangers fans.
Even if we were only allowed to guess at population numbers in the likes of Papua New Guinea,Outer Mongolia and some other parts of the highly populated outlying areas of China and India,even then on a pro rata basis of Murrays presumtion,Rangers fans would need to have numbered more than was possible as a total population for our planet.


On that basis alone,I believe Mr Murray was attempting to downplay the size of the Rangers protests protesting against himself.
But then again,he may be right and Rangers fans do indeed number more than the population of our entire planet earth.

Jeezohh,if that then is the case then Mr Murray deserves far far more credit than Rangers fans are willing to give him.

Hmmm.....more fans than the entire world population.

Why,thats a more commendable achievement by Mr Murray than making ham soup from a chicken.
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Honest Timothy Malloy esq,

30/08/2009 11:23:57
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funny post.

But a serious question; how many Rangers fans are there in Scotland?
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Honest Timothy Malloy esq,

30/08/2009 11:24:20
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kicking off in 1 hour
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Honest Timothy Malloy esq,

30/08/2009 11:27:02
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David Jonhston?

Craig Johnston?

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Honest Timothy Malloy esq,

30/08/2009 11:29:05
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we're due a bit of luck
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Honest Timothy Malloy esq,

30/08/2009 11:50:08
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Is he a diver? Most wingers called David are divers.

Davie Cooper

Davie Wilson

Davie Mitchell

Davie Provan

David Ginola

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LloydsBankingGroup,

30/08/2009 11:53:50
Or what about Alastair Johnston perhaps.

He`s the new man in charge of Rangers after Sir David stepped down(again).

Mind you,at 61,he`s more likely to only qualify for a first team starting slot with the team he`s now in charge of.
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Honest Timothy Malloy esq,

30/08/2009 12:15:50
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Yep there is an offer of £1 from the Steedmans.

Only one person has to step down - Murray.
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LloydsBankingGroup,

30/08/2009 12:21:10
I might have missed it,but did any newspapers or chat shows ever have the temerity to dare ask why David Murray turned his back on Rangers(again).

I mean its clear he did not chose to go.
Even the timing of it could not have been chosen by David.
One week into the new season and only a few days before Rangers draw in the Champions League ??
A Championship they have failed miserably to qualify for for 4 full years.
David Murray would have been delighted to have hob nobbed with the in-crowd at that super UEFA Function.
Yet Rangers fans are being told to believe that he chose to rap it 4 days before UEFA`S Grandstanding event !


As I say,maybe I missed those newspaper publishings and footballing discussions that should have been attempting to inform Rangers fans of what is going on in their clubs name.

It just seems as though Rangers fans are being informed and told to accept that David Murrays resignation is almost incidental.
Indeed,as though nothing of material consequence had happened to their club.

From the outside looking in its just a weird set of circumstances Rangers fans are being told to accept.
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LloydsBankingGroup,

30/08/2009 12:36:37
....the club has been told to reduce their highest paid playing staff by at least 3 in number....the club has already cut their wage bill by £xmillions but told that amount needs to double.....while the new potential owner is set to inherit £40 million the property developer has been told by the bank that they will help him fund the purchase....if and only if the wage bill can be reduced further.

Sorreee....but the bank is not Lloyds Banking Group and the club is not Rangers.

Its Barclays Bank and the club is Newcastle United with Barry Moat being the potential new owner.
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LloydsBankingGroup,

30/08/2009 12:38:49
*inherit £40 million in debt....that should read.
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LloydsBankingGroup,

30/08/2009 12:46:18
So Newcastle are only £40 million in debt.
I say this only because they have just left the EPL and its enormous cash orientated structures.

Rangers have amassed an humungous £30 million debt pile in the comparatively skint SPL.

Maybe that allows Rangers fans to better understand just how incompetently their club is being managed.
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Sir Davids Gardener,

GB 30/08/2009 14:57:10
Conspiracy of course.

The debt is relative and is servicable. Not the best situation, but still nowhere near as bad as the beggars were back when they were about to close.
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Sir Davids Gardener,

GB 30/08/2009 15:00:56
As for Burley, his team selection should be as follows if he wants to keep his job;

McGregor..

Hutton....Weir......Berra........Smith

Whittaker......Ferguson......Fletcher......Thomson

Miller......Fleck

I suggest he begs Kris Boyd to reconsider, although what's going to happen is he'll pick a stupid line-up, miss qualification and be sacked.

That way the new man can welcome Boydy back and rebuild the tea.

Get rid of rubbish like Alexander, Graeme, not Neil.
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George Kay,

30/08/2009 15:03:42
Excellent win for Celtic today. I really feared that we'd tire in the second half after our CL exertions, and I felt sure after the dismissal that we'd struggle to hold on to our lead, but I thought that we did with relative comfort in the end.

Three games in and already the two OF teams have the only two 100% records, and between them have gone to Pittodrie, Tynecastle and Easter Road and come away with victories. The SPL is nothing if not predictable.

As for McGeady? Well, I have to ask, just how embarrassing is that after the Eduardo incident? I just hope that the club acts quickly to punish him, or they're likely to be left looking very silly.

Gordon Smith's reaction will be interesting too.
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LloydsBankingGroup,

30/08/2009 15:25:12
Terrific away win for BTM`s Celtic putting Celtic joint top.

Hughes has got Hibernian playing really well,on song and on todays showing will prove too much for Rangers when they first call at Easter Road.

That was a really significant away victory today.
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Sir Davids Gardener,

GB 30/08/2009 15:37:18
#93 Were you watching the same game?

McGreedy had to be taken off at the Emirates as well for his petulance.

He's such an insignificant wee nyaff and behaviour like this will put clubs off buying him.
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Sir Davids Gardener,

GB 30/08/2009 15:41:47
I don't see the league table changing at the top for the rest of the season.

No one looks strong enough to beat Rangers and that's with them not at full strenghth yet.

With this second title in a row in the bag, I can see Rangers going on to dominate for many years to come.

I see Mowbray has a touch of the Wenger about him, backing up blatant cheating.

McGreedy dived, therefore it's a yellow card.
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Honest Timothy Malloy esq,

30/08/2009 16:05:25
McGeady deserved to go for being silly.

He should have just ran past the guy.

Still a fine win by Scotland's finest.
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Honest Timothy Malloy esq,

30/08/2009 16:15:22
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I think Celtic will go into the first OF game of the season, top of the league and I think they will leave Ibrox on Oct 4th still top of the table.
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Honest Timothy Malloy esq,

30/08/2009 16:17:28
So far this season Celtic have had the more successful start.

2 hard away games and two wins.

1 home game and a convincing victory.

Rangers on the other hand have had two very easy hom games and one hard away game.

So far Celtic have had a better start.
99

Sir Davids Gardener,

GB 30/08/2009 16:25:50
#98 beg to differ. Newly-promoted Saints at hom was difficult?
Celtic will not leave Ibrox with 3 points.

On a different matter, how many points do you think Kyrgiakos will cost Liverpool this season?
He was shocking yesterday, just like he was at Ibrox and I can't believe Benitez bought him.

Mind you, he's spent millions on some rubbish.
100

Sir Davids Gardener,

GB 30/08/2009 16:28:29
The McGreedy dive is making the headlines world-wide.

Taking the shine off the hard-won victory.
101

Daillyman,

30/08/2009 16:48:57
100

I thought Killens "fall" in the last 5 minutes was poor as well.

All teams today have players guilty of simulation.

I can imagine the WC in SA. next summer.

Hoping all FA's can do something to stamp out the cheating, but I am not optimistic, it seems ingrained in today's game.
102

Sir Davids Gardener,

GB 30/08/2009 17:03:49
Agree that some cheating is getting OTT.


Rooney was almost as bad yesterday. There was contact but he jumped and was on the way down long before Almunia touched him.

Fact is, if Eduardo hadn't jumped, Borat would have hit him.

In my book, that means Borat caused the jump therefore it was a foul.

Penalty kick.
103

Daillyman,

30/08/2009 17:24:04
102

Cant agree, Eduardo only jumped/dived to draw the penalty. He could have stayed on his feet.

If FA's, FIFA, EURO, want to stamp this out, put in technology to help the officials, we all saw in the reply which took 15 seconds to boot up again on TV, the player cheated.

Going forward issue a 5 match ban for deliberate simulation, watch how quickly management gets onto their players to stop the diving.

Eduardo should get a 2 match ban.
104

Sir Davids Gardener,

Dover 30/08/2009 18:16:08
#103 I'm sorry, I can't see why he should get a 2 match ban for a yellow card offence.

If they decide to change the rules, and I think they should, then fair enough.

A deliberate dive should get a red card. Lets face it, a keeper could get sent off and lose a penalty.

But to ban Eduardo would quite simply be unfair and I think that's why Wenger is doing his nut.
105

Honest Timothy Malloy esq,

30/08/2009 18:16:54
Message FAO: Brian Stewart / Daillyman

Brian,

Yesterday, you mentioned the threads were dying. I agree these threads are dying, but the blame lies at your door.

You BTO, Grumpit and Ninny are pretty much to blame for the demise of the forum.

Coming on here with all your anti-Celtic and general snidey comments, then when you get a bit back you can't take it, go off in the huff and rush to report the posts to the mods.

The mods then delete the posts and ban the posters. Most of the posters just don't bother coming back or go on a more lively forums in the tabloid websites.

You caused this Brian, you and your petty complaining cronies. So don't complain when soon you will have no one to talk to. Indeed I warned you about this a few months ago when I said "if you keep reporting everyone you'll end up talking to BTO, Pundit and daft ninny"

It will soon be turning out that way. So be warned Brian. Forums are meant to be for debate and freedom of speech. If someone types somthing you happen to disagree with then I advise you try and counter the points instead of rushing to report.

For the good of the forum, take heed Brian.

TM
106

Honest Timothy Malloy esq,

30/08/2009 18:23:45
104

There's three offences in the Eduordo incident.

The dive
the knowing smile (ie..premeditated)
The clebration of the dive (running to the camera and punching it as though he's just down a wonderful thing)

That's why he deserves a ban of two matches at least.

Lafferty did the same;

He dived
He winked (pre meditated cheating)
He was happy to see Mulgrew walk.

McGeady today dived.
There was no wink
No celbration
No delight in his actions.

See the difference?
107

Dundee Pie,

30/08/2009 18:30:18
90

4-4-1-1

Gordon
Hutton McManus Weir Whittaker
Commons Brown Fletcher Maloney
McFadden
Then the other Fletcher unless anyone wants to kidnap Boyd and tell him he can't have a lollipop until he plays.

Good Luck Burley. A few of us appreciate your commitment.
108

Honest Timothy Malloy esq,

30/08/2009 18:32:51
104 Shoveller

Lafferty got a two match ban, so why is a two match ban for Eduardo unfair?
109

LloydsBankingGroup,

30/08/2009 18:57:43
Yep,these threads are dying.

There is absolutely no doubt about it.

They are a pale shadow of their former selves when there would have been hundreds of comments on a quite regular basis.

If,as has been suggested,the main cause of the threads demise has been caused by Rangers fans who cant take a verbal-thread beating then that is all the more sad.

On the park Rangers get the refs to sort it.

On the threads its the mods.

Truly truly sad.
Isn`t it.
110

Not Me,

30/08/2009 20:01:21
TM
#106

Can you please explain how someone could take a dive without it being premeditated? Surely your brain has to tell your limbs to collapse.

I haven't seen todays incident involving McGeady - though as i understand it (from a good friend who is of the Sellic persuasion) it was well justified - but surely the only difference between the three incidents was that McGeady got caught.

Please tell me why he would celebrate getting caught.

Mowbray's chat after the game however clearly highlights the problem with cheating - when its one of your own it wasn't cheating - when its one of the other side then he should be hung drawn and quartered.

You tend to suggest others show bias on here - surely your comment at 106 highlights your own.

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30/08/2009 20:47:58
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30/08/2009 20:50:57
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Shug,

30/08/2009 23:24:10
Getting back to talking about the national team rather than all the usual p@ss about Gers and Celts. Interesting to note that Tottenhm v Birmingham in the Premier League, arguably the best league in the world, featured 4 Scots. Ferguson, Hutton, O'Connor and McFadden. Not bad. Fletcher at Burnley (Alexander too though that's a different story) and Fletcher a regular at Man U. Scotland cannot afford all the petty bul@s@it and rules, if we want a good side on the park, we do not have the strength in depth. By all means ban folk for a few games etc but Boyd, Ferguson, O'Connor. McGregor need to be at least back in the squad. The team is there to be picked ad if Gordon Smith and Burley etc are not man enough to swallow pride and pick the best team we will never qualify. we do not have the luxury of trying to take the moral high ground.
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31/08/2009 01:26:00
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Not Me,

the sound of silence 31/08/2009 19:59:36
TM

Noticed you've been prowling - really isn't as much fun as it used to be in the good old days - can never find anything you can comment on.

Anyway I notice you have chosen to ignore my earlier post - I'll assume - since i've now seen wee Aidens oscar nomination that your silence speaks volumes.

Have Sellic fined him yet?

Perhaps they should get a man wi dignity at the helm rather than the petulance shown by the end of game huddle - instigated by Mr Mowbray....... rhymes with bat - don't you think.

 

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