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Scotland 26-14 Argentina: Scotland pull off a minor miracle



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Published Date: 15 June 2008
Forward line excels as powerful Pumas can't break down Scotland's commanding lead
SCOTLAND were defending a 19-0 advantage going into the final quarter and looked comfortable when the entire match was turned on its head. The Argentine lock Ignacio Fernandez Lobbe scored a try in his final appearance in a Pumas shirt. Federico Todeschini found his range for the first time, the home side sensed that they might yet pull this one out of the fire and the crowd came to life, roaring their support and rocking the old stadium to its very roots.

Forced into increasingly desperate defence, the Scots were saved when last week's villain turned hero for the day. Dan Parks had only recently been thrown into the fray when the Aussie fly-half intercepted a pass on his own 22 and ran most of the length of the field before feeding Graeme Morrison for a try under the sticks that made certain a victory that was as deserved as it was unlikely.

With Chris Paterson's conversion, the Scots now had a 19-point lead and just seven minutes in which to defend it. The men in dark blue could not prevent a Horacio Agulla consolation try but Todeschini's conversion proved the last kick of the match and the tourists had a famous victory to savour on the long flight home. It was Scotland's first ever Test win on Argentine soil and meant the series is tied 1-1, following last week's 21-15 defeat in Rosario.

All the tourists played their part but the forwards were exceptional, standing toe to toe with the Puma big men and winning the battle. They were light years better than last week, all piss and vinegar, and if anyone one player deserves special praise then John Barclay is that man. The flanker was immense throughout and he had a good supporting cast. Ross Ford probably had his best game in a Scotland shirt and Matt Mustchin also proved his worth, getting through a stack of dogged hard graft.

Given an opportunity to make a victory speech, Frank Hadden was not going to underplay his hand and the Scotland coach even took a metaphorical swing at one Argentine journalist whose tone he labelled "disrespectful". Some things never change.

"Obviously we're delighted to have turned the frustration of last week into winning this match," said Hadden. "It is testimony to the confidence and self-belief of both the management and the very young players, and this is a very young side who pulled off a special win today.

"It is important not to underestimate the size of the achievement. We were the only Northern Hemisphere team to beat a Southern Hemisphere team today and that was against the third best team in the world."

The game was dominated by the wind with the Scots getting the first use of it to race into a 19-0 lead with 16 of those points coming with the wind at their backs. Chris Paterson grabbed 16 points with four penalties and two conversions, stretching his points record to 687 on the day he broke Scott Murray's caps record, yesterday marking his 88th appearance.

The Scots were helped when Argentina's backline was disrupted after they lost last week's try-scoring hero Gonzalo Tiesi to injury after just 12 minutes. His replacement had hardly got his gum shield in properly when he was pole-axed by Simon Webster, who came off his right wing to make a try-saving tackle. It looked perfectly legitimate from the back of the press box but linesman Alan Lewis thought differently. Justice was done with Todeschini missing a simple penalty.

The efforts of Scotland's big men won a penalty for Paterson to double their score after Mr Reliable has opened the scoring, and a little later Ford burrowed his way over the Argentine line after Lucas Borges made the mistake of attempting to run the ball out of his own dead ball area.

The Pumas' winger was tackled 15 yards out and the ball squirted from the side of the ruck. Mike Blair exchanged passes with Ben Cairns and when that pair were halted short, the Scotland hooker was on hand to finish off the move. Paterson made good the conversion and Scotland led 13-0.

The Argentine response was as predictable as it was brutal. Playing into the wind, the Pumas went back to doing what they do best – bullying the opposition into submission. It didn't work and the Scots even manufactured a golden chance for a second try when they attacked from their own 22 with turnover ball. Mustchin was involved more than once, Cairns, Paterson and Phil Godman all combined beautifully up the left flank but the move broke down when the last pass went forward.

Still the Scots were awarded another penalty for what looked like foul play and they took a 16-0 lead into the half time break.

Facing the breeze meant that the second half was always going to be a backs-to-the-wall affair and so it proved, with the visitors only rarely making brief sorties into the Argentine half of the field. At least the Scots got a double boost when Todeschini pulled a penalty on 45 minutes and Paterson showed him how it was done a little later, kicking his fourth penalty to give his side a 19-point advantage. The Scots looked out of sight when Fernandez Lobbe threw the Pumas a lifeline.

With seven points on the board, the Pumas piled on the pressure and thought they had grabbed a second score in exactly the same place before the TMO ruled against it. Just minutes later the Argentine forwards muscled their way over the Scots try line again, only for referee Alain Rolland to signal that the ball had been held up. It was nerve-wrecking stuff.

The siege was lifted only when Parks popped up with his trademark interception and Morrison, with blood trickling out his nose, was on hand to finish set the seal on a famous victory.

Argentina: B Stortoni, L Borges, G Tiesi (F Aramburu 12 min), F Contepomi, H Agulla; F Todeschini, N Veragallo; M Ayerza, A Tejeda, S Bonorino (J Gomez 45 min), I Fernandez Lobbe, E Lozada (J Stuart 60 min), M Durand (A Galindo 60 min), J Fernandez Lobbe, J M Leguizamon.

Scotland: H Southwell, S Webster, B Cairns, G Morrison, C Paterson; P Godman (D Parks 65 min), M Blair; A Jacobsen, R Ford (D Hall 75 min), E Murray, M Mustchin, S MacLeod (A Kellock 60 min)A Strokosch, J Barclay, A Hogg (K Brown 69 min).

Scorers: Argentina – Try: I Fernandez Lobbe, Agulla Conv: Todeschini (2). Scotland – Try: Ford, Morrison Conv: Paterson (2) Pen: Paterson (4)

Referee: A Rolland.

Hadden buys himself some time but even he probably doesn't know how

IT WAS Winston Churchill who said of the Americans that they always do the right thing, but only after exhausting all other avenues. Something similar could be said of Frank Hadden after his team won a famous victory in Buenos Aires last night.

The coach has come under increasing pressure following a disappointing Six Nations which netted just one win. However, this unexpected victory over the team ranked third in the world should be enough to buy Hadden some time and the right to take his side into the autumn Tests at the very least – presuming, of course, that he wants to. A perverse character, he may prefer to exit after one of his greatest triumphs.

Argentina may have been missing the sublime skills of Juan Martin Hernandez and Ignacio Corletto but the Scots were far from full strength themselves. Moreover, any win in Argentina is a good win, just ask Wales and Ireland who returned home empty-handed from recent trips.

SRU chief executive Gordon McKie arrived here on Thursday morning and perhaps the presence of the boss galvanised both players and coaching staff to produce a performance over 80 minutes rather than the 60-minute game of the previous week which ended in a 21-15 win for Argentina.

But this win still begs more questions that it answers – the biggest of which was why John Barclay was not included in the first Test when the Pumas were always going to be brutally combative at the breakdown. The flanker was the standout player yesterday, winning any number of turnovers and slowing whatever ball he could not steal.

Phil Godman is far from the perfect playmaker but at least with him pulling the strings at stand-off Scotland played with spirit and speed. Mike Blair kept the tempo high and Ben Cairns broke the line more than once. This is Scotland's natural game, a furious helter-skelter style of rugby and it was wonderful to witness its rebirth. Who knows how much of the transformation is thanks to Hadden. His teams have played precious little rugby of late, so perhaps all other options were exhausted.

>He has been a lost soul in the rugby world ever since the Italians blew his wide/wide game out of the water on that fateful day at Murrayfield back in 2007. This is a coach who got lucky yesterday but may not know why. Six changes from last weekend do not suggest a man who is on top of his brief.

The win ensured the Scots earned some valuable ranking points, two to be exact, to leap frog Fiji into ninth spot, at least for now. Unfortunately the late try from Horacio Agulla cut the margin of victory to fewer than 15 points, which meant the Scots do not jump Ireland into eighth place.

There is a lot of rugby to be played between now and the end of the year when the World Cup seeding is decided but the Scots will be hard pressed to make it into the second group of countries. The proud record of never failing to make the quarter-finals of the World Cup looks likely to be tested as never before.

After a 13-month season the players now get a well-deserved rest although it will feel like the blink of an eye before they are back in the gym preparing for the three autumn Tests. Given the high profile opposition, the crowds should come out in force in November which will help the SRU coffers but may undermine the fragile confidence of this squad. Both New Zealand and South Africa, who are due to visit Murrayfield, were looking ominously powerful yesterday. Their matches against Wales and England were played at a higher pace and intensity than yesterday's encounter in Buenos Aires.

The players will enjoy this win while they can but there are greater challenges ahead and only time will tell whether the team's newfound style of running rugby was borrowed for the day or will be adopted long term.

• Scotland A will face England Saxons in the Churchill Cup final in Chicago on Saturday after the English second string side defeated Ireland A 34-12 in Toronto yesterday.

SCOTLAND MAN BY MAN
RICHARD BATH

15. Hugo Southwell

Edinburgh


Kicking from hand was poor and he struggled to work his way into the game. He failed to inject any momentum when he joined the line but was defensively solid.

14. Chris Paterson

Edinburgh


Five kicks out of five in windy conditions was a crucial statistic as he won a record 88th cap. He even got into a writhing-on-the-floor stramash before the break – a genuine collectors item.

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13. Ben Cairns

Edinburgh


Full of running and broke the gainline with pleasing regularity. Showed his inexperience in some of his decision-making but looked a genuine threat with ball in hand.

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12. Graeme Morrison

Glasgow Warriors


Bore the brunt of the Pumas' charges into midfield but he held his own in a physical confrontation of epic proportions. Did well to be up in support for the breakaway try.

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11. Simon Webster

Edinburgh


His kamikaze hit on Federico Arambu was worth the admission money alone, even if it resulted in the Pumas' first penalty. His defensive performance was reassuringly hyperactive.

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10. Phil Godman

Edinburgh


He wasn't perfect but it was no coincidence that those around him were transformed. His willingness to have a go was a breath of fresh air, if tackling was not always with conviction.

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9. Mike Blair (captain)

Edinburgh


His hit on Leguizamon half way through the first half typified his nuggety performance. He struggled to impose himself on a harum-scarum confrontation but never stopped trying.

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1. Allan Jacobsen

Edinburgh


His quick thinking secured the turnover which led to the first try and he really put himself around in defence. A performance he can look back on with some pride.

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2. Ross Ford

Edinburgh


The tryscorer was in feisty form, getting warned for walloping a Puma, but he could have done with a little more composure at the lineout. He did tackle like a trojan though.

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3. Euan Murray

Northampton Saints


Outstanding performance in the loose and although he was under pressure in the tight he stood his ground impressively. This was one of his most mature displays in a Scotland shirt.

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4. Matt Mustchin

Edinburgh


Like Scott MacLeod, he stuck at his task all afternoon, concentrating on putting his body where it was likely to be trampled all over. This was the performance of a team player.

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5. Scott MacLeod

Llanelli Scarlets


Performed satisfactorily at the lineout but it was at the coalface where he earned his pay, putting in tackle after tackle. This was a display of huge commitment and quality.

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6. Alasdair Strokosch

Gloucester


A key man, his phenomenal workrate and tackle count helped to break down the Pumas' forward drives at source. After John Barclay he was probably the most influential Scotland forward.

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8. Allister Hogg

Edinburgh


This was one of his less impressive performances and it was no surprise when he was substituted. Spending all afternoon knocking over rampaging Argentine forwards isn't his forte.

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7. John Barclay

Glasgow Warriors


Immense contribution. His link play impressed and his work at the breakdown was exemplary and characterised by the turnover ball he secured as Argentina pressed in the last move before half-time.

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1

leemagee,

Perth 15/06/2008 01:02:14
"Parks popped up with his trademark interception"...what Dan Parks have you been watching mate??
This is great for the Scottish players and Scottish fans who really need a lift after a fairly poor international season. It's no coincidence that this victory coincided with Godman's return to the international scene. After watching the A's beat Argentina A last week, it looks like Dewey could be forcing his way back into the squad if he works on his fitness and Gordon Ross should be Godman's backup after a manful display.
The only negative is that the late try has cost Scotland's chance of advancing to 8 in the IRB rankings, thereby making it harder to advance to the quarters for the first time in Scotland's history. I am also worried that Parks' interception and this victory may mean we haven't seen the back of Hadden and Parks.
Interesting to see if these guys are still around come the November tests!
Well done though guys...a victory both you and the fans have really needed!!
2

Grant of the Glen,

Buenos Aires 15/06/2008 02:03:03
I was there! Great to see them stand fast in front of a capacity - and mostly friendly - crowd. Good night to be a Scot in Buenos Aires!
3

Teofilio Cubillas,

15/06/2008 02:45:42
#1 The author forgot to insert the word 'pass' as in "Parks popped up with his trademark interception pass", or 'passes', as in the game against Italy last year.
4

freewheelin franklin,

london 15/06/2008 04:21:58
good positive result, at least we are not total cannon fodder.
5

The Laird of Kitakyushu,

15/06/2008 06:36:17
A tremendous result. We actually got two tries this time, which is...er...two more than last week, right? And it indeed made all the difference to the scoreline.

The Boys have delivered (almost) all that was asked and required. They have played like true Scottish rugby players, with a feisty guile, fast pace, aggression and confidence.

From the Saturday edition of the Scotsman I got the impression that we had overhauled Ireland in the rankings. A pity that we have not, apparently, and that underlines the need for our defence to be tip-top as well as attack. But still, Well Done Guys!!

6

Mcsense,

west of Murderfield 15/06/2008 07:23:00
The Age of Miracles is not over! First, Godman is first pick, second, Parks comes off the bench and does not lose us the game, indeed he does something to help secure the win! Third and certainly not least, Sotland win in the southern hemisphere by playing rugby with passion.
The icing on the cake would be Hadden and Parks exiting stage left, nah, it'll never happen!
Thank you Scotland
7

Slasher McGurk,

15/06/2008 07:56:14
And still the dan parks haters get in a pop. He is not solely to blame for Scotland down turn, he is a brick in a wall, an important brick, but just a brick. I do agree though, godman is the better choice. Parks is a good man to have on the bench, once a lead has been established, to keep the oposition in there own 22.

A great defensive effort was let down by that final puma try, that could have huge implications on the World Cup seeding.

I noticed two things about last night while watching it on mediazone. The ref seemed to spend the majority of the game standing in the way of play, effecting attacks and tackles, for both sides. Also, the Pumas were guilty of crossing with almost every attack in the second half.

Hadden should go before the next set of tests, we need a mutli millionaire to pull Jake White away from the Tigers job and they need to start selling Deuchars at Murrayfield. Three keys things that would result in Scotland 34 New Zealand 7 in November.

See ya all there. I will be at the Bar with 4 pints of IPA.
8

GrahamH,

Edinburgh 15/06/2008 08:18:37
#7 - Off course the anti Parks/Hadden lobby are out, they are not the solution. The guy that was there said about Godman "He wasn't perfect but it was no coincidence that those around him were transformed. His willingness to have a go was a breath of fresh air".

Parks does not inspire others, he is also too slow in distribution as highlighted by Robinson and Lineen.

His interception could do us no favours as Hadden could keep highglighting that and not his match after match failure as reason for keeping him in the squad. That apart, it would be no coincidence that we were under constant pressure and fared worst when he was on.
9

Mutt,

Close to the fence but not on it..... 15/06/2008 08:36:28
leemagee: Parks often intercepts passes when playing for Glasgow - he even puts in tackles occasionally ?!

Teofilio Cubillas: if by 'last year' you mean 2007 then Mr Parks was most definitely NOT too blame. The first Italian try was Godman's charged down kick, the next two came from interceptions of Cusiter passes. If you mean 2008 - well fair does :>

10

Big Smoke,

15/06/2008 08:49:20
Watched it last night on Mediazone, was impressed with alot of the play and how the backs looked much more confident and going at pace, agree that the ref was in the way of alot of the play from both sides. The best tackle of the day had to go to the Argentinian winger on his own full back!

Good day at the races though, just sad that it probally means Haddon will keep his job!
11

chandler-chaftit,

Edinburgh 15/06/2008 09:03:32
Webbo's hit on Aramburu was a scorcher, straight out of Jason White school. He was a victim of his own success, having hit the guy squarely on chest and shoulders, his head jerked back and downwards so suddenly that Webbo's arms founds themselves round his neck. Ref's body langugae clearly showed "good tackle mate, fair and square" but of course linesman Alan Lewis had to react to the crowd noise and give the penalty away...wimp.
12

Big Red,

Aberdeen 15/06/2008 09:04:37
An absolute disgrace that none of the BBC, STV, or Sky chose to to broadcast this game live.
All the other home nations got blanket coverage but Scotland were ignored, and it's hard to criticise the SRU when they can't get the support of the country's media to screen a game against the 3rd ranking team in the world.

I watched it on Mediazone, and it was a top class performace. Barclay was magnificent, Blair is developing into a Lions scrum-half, and the difference Godman made to the back line was considerable.
What a change to see Scottish centres breaking the opposition line, rather than chasing long kicks from Parks.

Superb performance lads, keep it going !

13

chandler-chaftit,

Edinburgh 15/06/2008 09:04:49
For the majority of this game the Argentinians' rugby easily justified their no.3 spot. Their ability to throw the kitchen sink at us with phase after phase of well protected possession, their sublime running lines and reading of each other's minds in the pop passes just filled me with pure awe and national envy. So that just amplifies what a massive achievement this was for us to win 26-7 (my blue specs must have steamed up after the 80th minute when they supposedly scored). For me the tackling and sheer body on the line commitment ranked even higher than the recent couple of wins against England. Godman totally changed the dynamics of this backs line and has to stay there to build on this style, even if a couple of his kicks went astray and even if we didn't keep possession long enough to show off the style. But there wasn't 1 man that didn't give 110% and the whole tour party deserves massive credit for restoring some pride in Scottish rugby.
14

JT,

15/06/2008 09:25:58
Brilliant result, especially as the other home nations fell at their games. Congratulations to all the team but especially Paterson for the record number of caps.

It was a total disgrace that this game wasnt on tv! Isnt this part of the remit of the SRU to promote the team, rather than enjoy the jolly out there.

15

Edinburgh Pete ,

15/06/2008 09:31:50
Agree with Chandler re the defensive effort, time and again the team made hits to stop the momentum and typically slowed the ball up allowing the defence to regroup for the next onslaught. Strockosch and Barclay were superb supported by the rest of the pack

So pleased Godman made a difference – we now do have an alternative 10. His inclusion was key, at last the opposition had to think about the 10 channel and an attacking threat from their meaning a bit more space for the centres and boy did Cairns exploit that.

Finally in the last game of the season we ditch the negative game plan and play like we see our players play in the ML / GP and it’s a massive performance and a win.

Fantastic !!!!!
16

bring them on,

15/06/2008 09:44:41
Funny how times change.

These days it is a minor miracle when Scotland beat Argentina.......
17

Venachar,

15/06/2008 09:59:41
Hit of the match Simon Webster's tackle on Arambu - brill! Set the tone of the whole match.

Excellent team performance, especially pleased for John Barclay and Phil Godman. Barclay for me was MOM, he just got in and stole or disrupted the Argentinian ball all night. Why oh Why was he not playing last week?

Perhaps the head coach whoever he may be will play people in their correct positions from now on.

On the subject of head coaches - No to O Sullivan!
He massively underachieved with the best players Ireland have produced so why would we want him for Scotland.
18

TomS,

Bristol 15/06/2008 10:14:02
Great result - after a nerve wracking listen to Bill Johnstone on Radio Scotland I was shattered!
Pity about the last score but why on earth are seedings for a tournament in 2011 being decided in 2008? World rugby really needs to get its act together.
Frank Hadden will take some of the credit and good luck to him as he has taken a lot of fully deserved flak. But as any reader of these posts will know, he finally chose something approaching the "people's team". Even then he got things wrong - Barclay playing a blinder but he gets taken off for the front row replacement - we lose the first Argentinian try - coincidence?
Finally, good to see the forgotten man, Gordon Ross, beginning to get a mention again. We all moan about Dan Parks but Gogs is the man who actual has had the humiliation and frustration of constantly being dropped or neglected in his favour.
19

maroon to the core,

Falkirk 15/06/2008 10:33:01
I paid my ten bucks to watch it on-line and it was the best ten dollars I have ever spent. This was a great performance with the forwards coming of age. Ford and the boys did not stand back and take the Argie cheating of the ball and stuck it right back to them. The backs looked dangerous everytime they won turn over ball and had Paterson not overrun the ball in the First half we would have been looking at 26-0 at half time.
Is it a coincidence that ten Edinburgh players who have been coached by Robinson where in the winning line up.
Just a pity this game was not available for all of the UK to watch. This performance would have ensured bigger crowds in the Autumn tests.
20

Brigandaca,

New York 15/06/2008 10:56:45
We won.

First the good - on occasion we played with great intensity, we took our chances, player wise Cairns and Mustchin were outstanding.

Now the bad - we can't play at the required speed for 80 mins, we created very little (both tries were opportunistic).

The ugly - this was a pooor Arg side missing a lot of players.
21

Hoop,

Dundee 15/06/2008 11:04:36
Very good indeed, and great fun.

Was it because of Frank...or despite him...?
22

Couperman,

Orpington 15/06/2008 11:08:42
Aye agreed - a win's a win but Hadden still played Paterson out of place - well I say that with a caveat because the laddie actually plays a blinder wherever he's put - and still played Parks.
GrahamH #8 - I'm not anti-Parks by nature, I'm anti- anybody getting in the National Team that shouldn't be there and in my humble opinion that currently makes me anti-Parks.

Please let's not make this one win over a poor Argentinian team save Hadden from his rightful place as "The latest ex-manager of the Scotland Rugby Team"?
23

Fatboy Laney,

Anytown 15/06/2008 11:09:34
Interesting that during the 6N, Hadden started to publicly blame the players for poor performances as if he was trying to shift the blame, using "they did" or "they didn't". Very dissapointing as you would have expected a good coach and man-manager to say "We were poor" and talk as if the management and players were all in it together.

After this win, he now says "It is testimony to the confidence and self-belief of both the management and the very young players".

He can't have it both ways and surely as head coach you publicly give credit to the players when they win, and take the blame when they lose. (What's said in the changing room is another matter)

Great performance by the forwards and delighted for Godman. However I fear we haven't seen the last of Parks or Hadden yet.
24

johnnyscotsman,

15/06/2008 11:17:52
Watched the game, tremendous effort from the guys.

The display was similar to Edinburgh's, Robinson effect?

The back row was immense, Strokosch adds nastiness, why on earth wasn't Barclay chosen last week?

It was similar to the England game last year, Argentina played narrow & we defended magnificently.

Cairns does add a cutting edge to the back-line, Southwell (big boot apart) adds little to the party, Godman still hasn't convinced me but plays a more "scottish game".

However "The siege was lifted only when Parks popped up with his trademark interception" - what a load of rubbish, Parks often tries this but more often than not makes a mess of it & leaves a Dan Parks size gap in the defense.

Finally Hadden to go NOW, Robinson & Lineen to coach Scotland, Mather & Chalmers to Edinburgh, Gibson & Munro or Beattie coach @ Glasgow
25

luckyrugger,

Glasgow 15/06/2008 11:40:33
Does anyone want to try and claim that Godman is the answer? He can't kick!!! So much so that Scotland were forced to ship the ball from Scrum Half, to Stand-Off, to Southwell at fullback just to clear the ball! It would seem that Godman can play at No10 only when he has Southwell doing his kicking job for him.
26

johnnyscotsman,

15/06/2008 11:52:49
Luckrugger,

You have nailed it, Godman simply cannot kick from hand, its a fatal flaw if you are (hope to be) an an international 10.

With the known weaknesses / strengths pertaing to Paterson, Ross, Godman & Parks I would rate them in the order I have typed.

Following on from previous points (re missing players)I assume - Dewey, Lamonts x 2, Cusiter, Taylor, Rennie, Hines, Hamilton, Low, Thompson can all be added to the squad that played last night
27

MM,

Edinburgh 15/06/2008 12:09:25
A tough 80 minutes listening to Bill Johnstone, particularly when the signal kept failing :-) Gutted when the last try was let in, but I've got over that now. Great effort by the entire team.

24: Mather to Edinburgh??? That's a bigger joke than Hadden claiming he had anything to do with the win in Argentina, and keeping his job...
28

chandler-chaftit,

Edinburgh 15/06/2008 12:13:54
This makes the Edinburgh season ticket even better value for next year. Put De Luca in for Morrison in the backs and hey presto...with Chunk, Ford, Munchkin, Hogg upfront...not to mention the likes of injured Rennie, Callam, Smithy, Jim Hamilton and loads of guys in the A squad for the Churchill cup (Laidlaw, Blair, Turnbull, Robertson, Reid, Thomson, Dey, MacRae, Kelly, Craig Hamilton, MacDonald, Pringle, Newlands,...and we still have the brilliant Houston. How things can change in a year, when we were worried about a total drain of all our big names this time last year. Even when the 6 Nations are on we'll be able to turn out a strong squad for once. Canny wait for the Magners!
29

Tether Stretched,

15/06/2008 12:17:07
The difference this week was John Barclay - finally someone in the pack found their guts and the rest seemed to feed off his energy. This actually meant the backs had the ball and the confidence to be able to run it as there'd be some support from the back row at the breakdown. Godman had a good game but with the kind of ball he was getting, Chunk could have been at stand-off and it would have been the same game.
30

Edinburgh Pete ,

15/06/2008 12:46:19
25 - Luckyrugger, granted Godman's weakest element is his kicking however he does the job he needs to do. Afterall Parks in his final minutes manged to miss two crucial kicks to touch yet everyone says he is a great kicker - thats a myth.

Godman played well last night, got his backline moving, asked questions of the opposition defence meaning their back row couldnt ignore him like they do DP and he tackles. He his hold up of the winger allowed Paterson enough time to support and cover saving the try. He more than banished the Italian nightmare and should now be given a chnace to establish himself at 10 (similar to the amount of chances DP has had)
31

Paul in Oz,

Helensburgh 15/06/2008 13:53:06
does anyone know where I can see the highlights of this fantastic display?
32

johnnyscotsman,

15/06/2008 14:09:13
http://www.mediazone.com/channel/rugby/jsp/2006/index.jsp
33

Venachar,

15/06/2008 14:44:18
Just watched the download, even better after seeing it live.
Anybody else think the number of subs so late on had a bearing in letting in the try in overtime?


34

stevross,

liverpool based scotsman 15/06/2008 15:47:00
see the difference when daniel parks is not in the starting line up. The man should be dropped for good. He offers nothing that a fly-half should. It means that Hadden has bought himself some time and he should possibly do the honourable thing and resign. There is real potential with the players in the scotland squad and it is time the potential is released under a new coaching staff. The difference also, since Lineen and Robinson have come into the fold is remarkable these men have real knowledge of the game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
35

The Borderer,

15/06/2008 16:56:16
firstly well done to Scotland on winning and scoring tries and seeming far more lively than usual!!! Bill Johntsone commmentary was amazing and you really could feel the passion and energy coming from him not just towads Scotlands play but also the Argentine play, he is awesome to listen to.

I feel people may hate my negitive attitude but as good a vicotry as it was, it was against an Argentine 2nd 15!!! Yes Scotland were missing some players but no where near as many as the Argentines. I still believe Hadden should have the dignity and respect for Scottish rugby, stand down from his post and not hang around to get paid off!!!
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CharlesStuart,

Buenos Aires 15/06/2008 18:48:05
After watching yesterday’s match here in Buenos Aires, as part of a crowd of some 40,000 people, I just can say that the Scots were by far much better in the first half of the game, they did not so well in the second one. The Pumas had lost many opportunities to win the match, but that’s part of the game, not always when you believe that you deserve a triumph, this is right. However, the real soul of their magnificent rugby showed up in the last 30 minutes, they had bad luck, as Argentina in general is in a terrible mood by reasons which are not related to rugby, our team lost with dignity, and as they said afterwards, they need to reconsider tactics and who are the best in each position. If we take into account that most of those who played the WRC aren’t playing now, like Pichot, Hernandez, Corleto and others who stayed in Europe, many of the players did not have enough experience in international matches. The same happened with Scotland, most of your best players are injured, so this “confrontation” was quite balanced at the end. We were very happy to host the two test matches with Scotland, your players behaved wonderfully inside the field and outside as well, I am very proud of them.


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Mobat,

15/06/2008 19:11:08
#25 luckrugger, thought those on the warrior site didn't read these east coast pages!!

as #30 said at least he got the backline moving playing some "proper" rugby, suggest you retire to your usual staping ground with the remainder of the DP apologists
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chandler-chaftit,

Edinburgh 15/06/2008 19:16:01
Yeah you're right 35, we hate your negative attitude. We get so little over the years to cheer about and feel proud of with Scottish rugby, why can't we just bask in it for even 12 hours without whingers demeaning individuals who have sweated blood for naysayers like you and their country. 2nd 15 or not (and it was nowhere near that), they have the playing numbers to regularly turn out 3 teams that could beat our best. This "2nd 15" was a way better team than ours on paper and they had a massive home support, so if a bunch of guys go out and punch way above their weight with passion for their country in the way they did, why would you come out and say "well done, but it was just a poxy 2nd XV"?! I've never forgiven Hadden for picking Parks and leaving out Cairns in the Italy game but I get bored to tears wading through the same old vitriol on these boards shooting him and others down, especially from people who aren't half the men that put their bodies on the line last night. Channel your negative energy into coaching youngsters for the future or something useful instead of dragging others into your forlorn world.
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Venachar,

15/06/2008 20:08:42
#36

Any relation to James Stuart #18 who came on in the second half?
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KelsoKillie,

15/06/2008 20:40:42
Best first half of rugby since before the Williams era! Such great running and handling by the backs - hardly dropped a thing all day.

For those that are saying Parks must go,it can only happen when someone can kick at fly half as well as he can. No, he wasn't perfect but the tempo of the game changed for the better when he was on. Instead of defending desperately deep in their own half, Parks managed to give the Scots a breather by finding touch a long way up the field often enough to earn his supper. And his interception was an excellent fingertip effort.

But when the backs can attack, as in the first half, who needs a long kicker? Ben Cairns' jinking was a joy to watch.
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AlastairS,

15/06/2008 21:27:18
There has been a lot said about Godman and Parks. Parks plays his best (for Glasgow) when he can kick diagonally for Evans who is faster than any wingers in the ML and because at ML level Glasgow has an outstanding back row. Henderson can then take it into the tackle and the back row can cause sufficient havoc to allow Parks to perform in broken play where he is good. At internationasl level neither of these happens. That coupled with Parks poor ability to get the backs moving is why Scotland has been largely ineffectual.
Godman however gets the backs moving probably better than anyone else in the 6 nations. His limitation is kicking from hand which is not as bad as might be implied. The moving the ball to Southwell is so he can kick to the right hand touchline with his favoured left foot while on the left hand side Godman kicks with his right.
So it gets down to the type of game Scotland want to play. For me this should be an expansive one. We do have a good set of backs (Morrison,De Luca, Cairns Webster Evans brothers Lamont brothers and Patterson etc.)and for them to be effective we need a style that best suits Godmans ability rather than Parks. If needed Parks can then come on towards the end if wee are winning and keep the ball deep in their half of the field (something Edinburgh did very successfully with Duncan Hodge)
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15/06/2008 21:46:34
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Chunky Winger,

on the couch 15/06/2008 23:58:23
#42 Give it a rest (in all your guises); tedious and boring.

Great result and glad I invested where the TV companies didn't (can I please get a $9.99 rebate off my licence fee, BBC?).

Godman appeared to give the team the cutting edge and I was questioning the introduction of Parks.... te game was in the bagwhen he cvame on and let's face it, not a bad interception. The entire team played exceptionally well and showed their potential.

The boys did great, but let's not forget the limited resources we have to pick from. There will be bleak day ahead (no matter what coach we have)... it's down to the numbers game; until we get more playing at the grass roots to build on the quality playing in the premiership teams, to feed into the (too few) pro teams, we'll struggle.

A great performance by the boys (all of them) and thank you for a spirit lifting performace.

Lets now get behind the "A" boys in the Churchill Cup final
COME ON SCOTLAND!
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Edward,

16/06/2008 01:32:42
Great result!
Pity it wasnt shown or mentioned on the BBC or ITV, but then again why am I surprised!
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GAR,

Dublin 16/06/2008 10:46:33
Our mighty SRU CEO stated that no tv companies showed an interest!!

Well, my old boy in SA was able to watch all 4 test matches live on TV - more interest in our game down there than at home.

On a positive note - what a performance, unbelievable. The tackling and guts shown by every player was incredible, along with the atmosphere. I think we have good cause for optimism going forward.



 

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