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Italy 23-20 Scotland: Last-minute hammer blow puts seal on Parks' misery



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Published Date: 16 March 2008
MATCHES between these two sides are usually agonising encounters of the very close kind and yesterday's tense arm wrestle at Stadio Flaminio was no different.
The two sides went into the final seven minutes locked together at 20-20 and they were the same way as the stadium clock moved into the final minute of the match, which is when Italy's fullback Andrea Marcato popped up to sink a 20-metre drop goal which sent the Azzurri fans into fevered, almost hysterical, celebrations. Even Nick Mallett entered into the spirit of the thing by kissing each and every one of his colleagues in the coach's box. It would never happen at Ellis Park!

Among a sea of celebrating Italians, the forlorn figure of Alasdair Strokosch looked close to tears. The flanker was suffering mixed emotions after winning the man of the match award but finishing on the losing side.

It was no consolation to him, or anyone else for that matter, that the three-point winning margin meant that the Scots avoided the ignominy of a second successive wooden spoon by the margin of a couple of points.

Frank Hadden paid the price for picking Dan Parks when the poor fly-half is so far below the standards he set in the World Cup that he is almost unrecognisable as the same player. Italy scored two tries yesterday and his mistakes led to both of them. It was Parks' early pass to no-one in particular that was plucked off the ground by Kaine Robertson, who must have thought that his birthday had come early again. He kicked ahead and, with a little help from his friends, bundled the covering Chris Paterson over his own try line for an attacking scrum. The Scots scrum crumpled and the referee blew for a penalty try before Sergio Parisse could dab down.

The Italians' second try came in the second half and Parisse this time latched on to a Parks pass and charged up the right touchline before throwing a wild-looking throw inside to Gonzalo Canale. The centre scooped it off the deck and raced under the posts. The timing was particularly galling for the Scots who, with a seven-point advantage and all the territory they could ask for, seemed to have the whip hand. Marcato's conversion brought Italy level and the same man kicked for glory with the sand in the timer down to the last grains.

For the second weekend running the Scots were dealt an early injury blow, this one to Simon Danielli's right ankle and it looked painful as the winger was carted off to hospital. That necessitated three changes, with Andy Henderson coming on at inside centre, Graeme Morrison moving from 12 to 13 and Simon Webster reverting to the wing.

For all the disruption, the visitors dominated long periods of this match, after suffering a shaky opening quarter, and that was despite Welsh referee Nigel Owens, who gave every 50-50 call to the home team. Once again Mike Blair played a blinder and if there is a better scrum-half operating in the Test arena right now then it's a well-kept secret. Blair led his troops bravely, tackled everything that moved and scored a sweet individual try with the last move of the first half. He found the guard at a breakdown had abandoned his post and scampered in from 30 metres. If the Scotland skipper made a mistake it came in the first half when his side was awarded a kickable penalty which Blair opted to put into the corner for an attacking lineout. Given Paterson's record with the boot – 33 consecutive successful strikes for his country – Blair might like that call back again.

Having worked out that it is much easier to run around these Italians than it is to run through them, the Scots attempted to play a little more rugby with the ball in hand and, when they did so, it paid dividends. They made more line breaks in this one match than they had managed throughout the first four games of the tournament and Ally Hogg was the first beneficiary. The flanker grabbed the Scots' first try on 20 minutes after good handling from Strokosch up the right flank.

Parks kicked a long-range penalty to give his side a brief lead, until Marcato cancelled it out with one of his own, but the Scots had other opportunities to score in a second quarter that they dominated every bit as much as Italy bossed the first 20.

Henderson found himself one-on-one against scrum-half Simon Picone, but the big centre slipped at the crucial moment. Then Blair ran back one loose kick from Andrea Masi, broke through the white shirts and sent Scott MacLeod headlong towards the Italian try line, but the lock failed to use the support to his right and the moment was lost. Eventually Blair struck what looked like the killer blow immediately before half-time. Paterson's conversion was the last act of the first half and it gave the Scots a 17-10 lead at the break.

They continued their good work at the start of the second half. Simon Webster almost wriggled free on his right wing and Paterson thought he'd earned a free run to the line on the left, only to be brought back for a knock on.

But then, with Scotland deep inside the Italian half and looking to extend their lead even further, Parisse plucked Parks' pass from the sky and the Italian skipper inspired his side to victory. Marcato and Paterson swapped penalties and for a while this one seemed destined to end in a draw until the Italian full-back struck again with seconds left.

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  • Last Updated: 16 March 2008 6:07 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
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1

DER FUHRER,

16/03/2008 00:13:02
I knew when Alex Salmond invited Frank Hadden to Holyrood to 'celebrate' the win over England (no other victory would matter to Salmond), that he would be jinxing the team.
2

Robinski,

16/03/2008 00:25:40
I think that Frank Hadden is the right man to lead Scotland for the next 10 years. There is a growing strength and depth and sense of optimism in Scottish rugby right now. The standard keeps improving.
3

Robinski,

16/03/2008 00:27:37
Look, Scotland this year have had lots of injuries, the wrong bounce of the ball and 50:50 decisions go against them. I'm worried that the improvement Scotland have made this year may be dashed as Frank is certain to be tempted away to coach the Lions next year.
4

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16/03/2008 00:36:04
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5

Sir Saltire,

Slough of Despond 16/03/2008 00:57:56
Performance target 40%. Squads potential 60-80%. Achieved 20%. Bored all neutrals to tears. Owes the paying public a refund for Italy '07, All Blacks RWC '07, and France '08. Close the door on the way out please Mr Hadden sir, the SRU can't afford central heating never mind Jake White.
6

RodB,

London 16/03/2008 01:08:56
I think Scotland are making progress but why oh why does Hadden stick with Parks - he nearly single handedly lost us the england game and definately lost us this one - if Haddon won't accept this and give Patterson a regular birth he must go. I watched the game with a bunch of Aussies in Denver and their verdict was Parks wouldn't make a decent Ausasie club never mind the super 14's. Haddon is not only screwing up our performance but our chances in 2011 which will be judged on 2008 rankings....all we need to do now to get a decent ranking is win both Autumn Internationals - ho hum..
7

thebigiam,

16/03/2008 01:44:30
Well, on the bright side, at least Parks didn't throw in his customary charged down kick yesterday. But seven errors, jeez...

Parks is dreadfully out of form, but even at his best, we have to play a limited game with him in the side. And the way he falls off tackles when he doesn't fancy it...

You can't just blame Parks for the way the 6N has gone. But right now, he isn't helping.

On current form Paterson, Godman, or even Gordon Ross or David Blair deserve a go on the Summer tour more. Unless Parks shows immense improvement all round, then I'm afraid to say that I hope he doesn't win his 44th cap for some time.
8

Robinski,

16/03/2008 03:06:38
Dan Parks is an integral part of the Scotland squad. His kicking from hand is key to the game plan. Hadden was aware of the threat of the Italians and when Nikki Walker pulled out of the team it was an obvious to bring in Dan to 10 and put Chris to wing. Dan's performance aginst England was imaculate and silenced all the negative press.

9

Glasgow Expat,

Desert 16/03/2008 03:10:01
Well it has finally happened. Rugby Union has morphed into Rugby League. What a complete and utter bore fest all these games have been. Shaun Edwards won Wales the Grand Slam. Why don't they just merge the codes now?!

And Parks not putting his body on the line when he should have gone down on the ball in front of the Italian forwards knees in the first 10 minutes just sums up his attitude towards Scotland.

Other than that I'm sure "the guys" will take the positives from it, regroup and bore us all again the next time.
10

Big Rob from Dubai,

16/03/2008 05:06:45
I agree with Robinski Dan Parks performance holds the lads together and who else can slot those long range penalties with composure and authority. Hadden must be congratulate for making the best of Walker's 12th hour departure from the line up.
11

Pride&Passion,

16/03/2008 05:27:40
Rob and Robinski, if you arent one in the same you are both deluded. Dan Parks is dire, he should never have worn a blue jersey, how can you say any different the man has 42 caps and should never have received 1. He has devalued the jersey, absolutely shat a challenge on our own line when typical Scottish guts were required, he is crap. Hadden must gop and take Parks and Henderson with him
12

Pride&Passion,

16/03/2008 05:30:07
Think that Robinski could well be Begbie again on the wind up.
13

Oldfogey,

Fife 16/03/2008 06:20:30
Three things have to go
(1) Hadden (Lions ? Hadden couldn't coach a tiddleywinks team - and he's so unbearably smug.)
(2) Parks - permanently.
(3) Those bloody awful jerseys - what's wrong with good old navy blue?
14

Desert Hawk,

Abu Dhabi 16/03/2008 06:31:36
I must admit Dan Parks frightens me. AS a kicker he is reasonable, as a stand off he is appalling. I am afraid he is no longer, if he ever was, of international standard. Hadden must put Chris Paterson as stand off. At least our breakaway unit is of decent quality. Can we afford Jake White?
15

Curious,

Melrose 16/03/2008 07:32:31
gh
16

parks is colin nish,

cape town 16/03/2008 07:34:50
rob and robinski must be dan parks and his boyfriend in disguise, the guy is a disgrace the fact he has grown the worst facial hair seen since freddy mercury just adds to his delusion of being an international 10. On his rugby, here in south africa there are stand offs in school rugby that i would put in before parks,
i think hadden is a good coach, but keeping parks is becoming a joke,i don't know if there are many 10's around in scotland but if there isn't then patterson has to play
17

Curious,

Melrose 16/03/2008 07:36:02
To beat 15 Italians can be tricky. To beat 15 Italians and the referee is even more tricky. To beat 15 Italians, the referee and have the most useless and incompetent fly half in the Six Nations makes life very difficult. One hopes that after Parks' efforts to lose the Calcutta Cup this appalling display will convince Hadden to get rid of him.
18

Slippylizard,

Rock 16/03/2008 07:58:51
Dear oh dear what a dreadful performance. Again! By a fluke we played the weakest England team for years and we won. That threw idiots like Alex Salmond a political opportunity and Hadden a lifeline,in reality we were a 2nd XV playing a 3rd XV. Whilst it was a nice victory they did not play very well, they scored no tries and as usual they cannot hold or pass the ball. Most school 1st XV's can manage what they can't.

We were dreadful at the world cup but I couldn't really see what others kept telling me "Hadden is the man for the job". I think he has done a fantastic job of dashing our hopes of anything and frankly if he is not pushed he should resign out of embarrassment.
19

Kenny A,

16/03/2008 08:00:15
Overall a game I enjoyed, barring Dan Parks, it was sad to see some Scotland players shacking their heads at a couple of his mistakes but who can blame them.

Without the Parks factor Scotland should have won. Cant say I have ever rated him but surly he has done his time and damage both for and to Scotland and must get the proverbial boot.

Hadden seriously needs his head examined for sticking with him this year when he has basisaly screwed up just about everything. His cowardly attempt at tackling is contemptable. Saying that even Paterson made a mistake, fustration?

Strokosh played a blinder and he should go far.

Could have been worse.

Hadden Lions coach, wonder who will be No10, scary tought.
20

Dunger,

16/03/2008 08:02:46
Robinski is English and having some sort of twisted revenge on the punters in this thread that are obviously hurting after Parks performance yesterday.

Don't rise to his bait.

Quote of the thread - "..the guy is a disgrace the fact he has grown the worst facial hair seen since freddy mercury"

ha ha ha ha....

I think Parks has played his last game for Scotland because once we have all the injured boys back then there will be no space for him in the squad.

I just hope these Scottish players go away and come back mentality stronger as it has not been easy for them this 6 Nations. They seem to have lost their spark which they had when Hadden took over after Williams had crushed them.

Personally, I think we need a whole coaching change. Get rid of the old and bring in..

Jake White, Andy Robinson, Sean Lineen.... and Shaun Edwards.

What have we got to lose as after all they are all available.
21

lac,

Down Under 16/03/2008 08:07:55
Robinski, I am sure you must be the wind up act. If not then the planet upon which you normally reside is undiscovered by us mortals on earth.
22

Glasgow Expat,

Desert 16/03/2008 08:08:35
#20 Bring Edwards in if you like playing rugby league. Union is now amateur rugby league. What a yawn.
23

Alan Reid,

NZ 16/03/2008 08:12:28
4 Elizabeth I (1558-1603 AD),What a stupid post, why don't you just f@ck off.
24

Rodboy,

16/03/2008 08:17:56
Dan Parks has never been a player of international class and as for certain correspondents prattling on about how well he did in the World Cup they need to take a reality check.

Scotlans were mediocre at best in that competition and very poor throughout the 6 Nations apart from last week against England. Parks first instinct is always to kick and he looks like a rabbit caught in headlights when he has the ball in hand. Hadden deserves all the stick which is going to come his way for continuing to pick him.

Hadden's own tenure has now run its course and likewise those of Graham and Tait. After making the usual excuses following each game comment is frequently being made by him as to how much the team are progressing. If progress is being made at a slower pace than that of other countries (which it is) then we are in reality going backwards. We would do no better next year either under the current regime.

As for Hadden coaching the Lions, someone is obviously taking the michael!
25

Tired of the excuses!!!,

In Italy looking at how basic rugby should be play 16/03/2008 08:18:58
The comments above are interesting however, Frank Hadden needs to go along with Parks and a few others who know that their performances in a Scottish jersey are to say the least poor, and have been for some time.

Hadden is way out of his depth and quite frankly (excuse the pun) needs to be removed from the post.Some of the comments above are that we have improved, cobblers to that!! Hadden continues to pick guy's out of position and he continues to select complete Donkey's again and again.

Sure he has brought some youngsters in and they have played okay, Parks should not be playing in a Scotland shirt because he is not an intenational. To lose to Italy and no disrespect intended, we again hang our heads in shame, Italy have played some fantastic rugby this year certainly better than Scotland but we should still not lose to them playing smart rugby. Congratulations to Italy!!

HADDEN TO BE REMOVED IMMEDIATELY, PARKS TO NEVER WEAR A SCOTLAND SHIRT EVER AGAIN!!!
26

SRU PRESIDENT, COMMITTEE & ASSORTED BUFTIES,

Staggering back in for a 5* breakfast in a 5* hote 16/03/2008 08:24:44
Accoontabillitie? It wisnae oor fault, ken!!!!
27

SRU PRESIDENT, COMMITTEE & ASSORTED BUFTIES,

Cloud cuckoo land, with Robinski & Dubai Dopehead 16/03/2008 08:29:58
Hey, Robinski & DubaiDopehead Rob! What are you space cadets on these days???
28

GrahamH,

Edinburgh 16/03/2008 08:38:14
3 Mins - Parks throws to Italy for interception
5 Mins - Parks not pouncing on ball clearlyhis almost allows Italy a try
10 mins - Park misses touch by long way
11 mins - Parks throws another interception, almost try but Italy get 5 metre scrum from which get penalty try
13 mins - Park overkicks by 20 metres
16 - Parks makes dreadful pass throws away possesion again
25 - Parks throws to stationary forward when attacking options available
29 - Parks knocks on, not spotted
30 - Parks kicks well???????
34 - Parks poor field cross kick gives away possesion

44 - Parks 10 yards too long with kick
48 - Parks missed tackle, Andy Nicol scathing about weakness of it, leading to Italy penalty
50 - Parks clears to midst Itay backs losing 30 yards
57 - Parks 1st break forward, but spills

59 - Parks gives a 3rd interception when we were about to score and ITALY get try. Hadden still not taking him off!! 17 - 17 , could been so different without Parks

62 - Parks throws forward again
76 - Parks wastes great oppotunity, all men left, throws to only man on right

Just not good enough - not enough, not nearly enough positives to make up for these continual errors. Little or no contribution to tries.

Hadden is the man that picked Parks when everyone was proven right in saying should be dropped.

Hadden will continue to stick with his underperforming favourites and be a continual liability (Di Rollo anyone), he must go.
29

Rucknroll,

Jersey 16/03/2008 08:38:29
I've cracked it, Robinski is FH or DP in disguise. Smart move Frank (or Dan). However, you both need to go. A win against England is not enough to save you both and as for Alex Salmond and his misplaced xenophobia, what an idiot, its only a game of rugby. Would he invite Andy Robinson when Scotland win the Grand Slam next season. Bloody Nationalists!
30

Slippylizard,

Scottish Rock 16/03/2008 08:39:45
#23 I think your comment demonstrates your lack of understanding, especially given you are in NZ. There is a fair point in there that Salmond utilises the English rugby defeat for political purpose and seems to believe that the Scottish people are stupid enough not to see through this. Obviously you are (along with a few others it has to be said) when all you can resort to is insult and swearing.
31

Clansman3,

Perth 16/03/2008 08:58:10
I feel for Chris Paterson. Successive coaches have consistently ignored the fact that he is our most creative and gifted player by a street yet he is played in a position where he can have least influence on a match. He's tantamount to a gridiron kicker. Time is running out for him, through no fault of his own. Had he cosnsitently been given the crucial 10 berth then goodness knows how many past losses might have been converted to victories. It seems like blinkers are awarded to Scotland coaches when they assume the mantle. I can't find words to describe how I feel about Parks or anyone who feels he cuts the international mustard.
32

Blutto,

16/03/2008 09:05:28
Parks is hopeless.

I predicted he would cost us 7-10 points. He didn't. He cost us 14. We would never have had to defend the 5 yard scrum if he hadn't thrown the interception first. Can someone tell me the last time he played a game without throwing an interception, getting charged down or missing a tackle? He is the worst player ever to play for Scotland.

He should never get to soil the jersey again.

The fact that Hadden picked him as the safe option shows that he is unfit to be coach. If he had a shred of decency he would have resigned after the match. A championship in which we should have been title contenders has been a disaster.

HADDEN MUST BE SACKED NOW

33

Jock Piewalker,

16/03/2008 09:07:29
To be honest there is nobody in our back line who can say they played this tournament with flair, innovation and skill. Paterson kicked the points but done little else, like all our backs he fell off tackles. Southwell who/what/when???. Same for centres/wingers.
Dan Parks is the pivot to get the backs going and dictate and control the game when we have possession it didnt happen.
Forwards - Jacobsen surprised me always thought he looked out of place but his play and aggresion in the loose was a welcome surprise.But at scrum time he only bores and badly at that.
Ford needs to throw properly and be more dynamic in the loose, Thomson was better.
Euan Murray the fact he has played little rugby for his club was so obvious.Never showed in the loose and was very poor versus French. Craig Smith poor poor in the scrum, like most 19 stoners on the hoof hard to stop.
Second Row Hines now realises he was a penalty machine. Hamilton was coming on shame about the injury. Mcleod very good at line out and tackling.
Barclay probably one of the best forwards we have.
Brown likewise. Hogg and White poor by their high standards. Taylor described as an old warrior - no argument to that. Strokosh a true professional who could lead his country.
Mike Blair our one player who turned up for all the games and was head and shoulders above the rest.
Coaching staff - Clearly the link is not working. Scotland were not coached to lose 4 games in the tournament. The tactics used were poor and in the case of the last two games limited by the choice of replacements.
We have the talent what we dont have is the coaches who can unleash the talent and let the Flair,Innovation and Skill form part of our game.
34

Mcsense,

midst of despair 16/03/2008 09:13:26
Well, we have three things to be grateful for! 1.6 Nations is over.2. New coach might be in place for next term. 3. This has to be the last time we see Dippit Dan in a Scotland jersey.
Thank you #28 GrahamH for listing the catalogue of incompetance exhibited by DP. I still have one question however, Why did I not wake to the news that Hapless Hadden had resigned ? Might it be he is waiting to be sacked in the hope of severance pay? We started the week full of optimism because at last CP was at No10 and DP was on the bench, a fact that both confused and worried me! But by the time kick off had arrived due to the loss of a winger, a position DP could not cover in his wildest dreams, we end up with our best fly-half on the wing and our worst on the pitch! It became worse when that clown Henderson came on, my depression set in and it lingers now after a tortured night reliving every piece of crass stupidity perpetrated by DP.
I will end on a positive note, e VERY positive note,
Ally Strokosh has surely coinsined JW to the bench as an impact player, a very good impact player.
35

inoui,

Jomtien 16/03/2008 09:16:37
Well done Dan. Lucky to be with in 3 points of a team that never looked like winning.
36

Media 1,

cape town 16/03/2008 09:27:54
The fact that Salmond invited Hadden to Holyrood following a win over England, is proof of the sad state of affairs that is the SNP and its pathetic leader.
Nevertheless, the most important thing to focus on now is the fact that Hadden is useless.
In the 5 games he managed this season, Scotland lost 4 and won one. The one they won, was the game that cannot be managed because its played on sheer passion and nothing else.
The fact that Scotland could beat England means that Scotland can play, the fact that they lost all their other games means they dont want to play unless the occassion automatically fires them up from within.
Its time for Hadden to leave, and perhaps he should take Salmond with him...
37

Shameless,

Helping to sober-up the committee & bufties 16/03/2008 09:32:50
Despite the inevitable if not idiotic media hyperbole, splendid photo opportunities and the attendant spin, I had been concerned after last weekend to imagine how the most recent one-off Calcutta Cup success might contribute to the sustainable advancement of Scottish rugby in the longer-term - as opposed to simply papering over the very serious cracks in the cash-strapped Murrayfield edifice.

After this weekend's loss to Italy in Rome and the whitewashing of Scotland's up-and-coming "hothoused" Under-20's talent with defeats in all their championship fixtures, frankly, I'm no further forward.

Clearly, this must invoke a final backs-to-the-wall root and branch reform, with personnel changes and cuts throughout the SRU.
38

weewillie,

kilmore 16/03/2008 09:35:20
Most of you guys would do well on the field kicking people when they are down.
Me all I have to do is trot down to my Italian restaurateur friend and pay him his due. It was almost worth it all to see the joy and enthusiasm of the Italians.
By the way if any of you are in Wexford go for lunch to the Dolce Vita, best Italian food in Ireland.
39

SHELDON THE CRACK DEALER,

smoking my hard stash 16/03/2008 09:40:44
Eddie O'Sullivan to coach Scotland.
40

John, W,

16/03/2008 10:11:59
# 9 spot on - although the Wales/France game was exciting and had some good/great moments, the ball spent an inordinate amount of time pinging to and fro in the air which was a feature of the World Cup and has always been an element of rugby league to gain ground quickly. Union is fast becoming utterly tedious with endless rucks and 'pick-and-goes'; it's becoming such a feature that they will have to consider the turn-over rule of scum put-in for opposition of League after 5 pick-and-goes. The Irish are the only 6Nations' team that doesn't have ex-league 3/4 staff coaching. Why has Union succumbed to League?
As for Frank Hadden - he has done well for scotland - he has organised the defence well - do any remember the complete shambles in defence under Matt Wiliams?
The ony error in Hadden's approach for me and a lot of others, is picking Parks and enough said by above posts on that one.
41

Scotch on the rocks,

Bucks 16/03/2008 10:14:25
We had sufficient talent to thump the Italians, but the Hadden's negativity (in the back line selection and the lack of passion after the interval) must now result in his resignation.

Let's get back to having a Probables vs Possibles pre 6N match and see if people like Parks and Henderson can earn their places. I suspect this season, the Possibles would have beaten the Probables, a result that would have led to a much more entertaining and rewarding 6N campaign.
42

Captain Jon,

Cabo San Lucas 16/03/2008 10:35:48
Chris Paterson has been the best Scottish player for several years now. It just stinks how he has more than 80 caps and the muppet brigade are still shuffling him around all over the place. 10, 11, 15 and the bench. Disgusting and ridiculous. At least, to Chris's enormous credit, he just keeps putting in excellent performances every time he plays. He's a truly great professional.
43

parks is colin nish,

cape town 16/03/2008 10:37:31
#32 says parks is the worst player to play for scotland,
he's right, i never thought i would see anyone as bad as doug wylie(only man to be booed onto murrayfield) but yesterday was the end for me.
no ambition no direction.
Please ian morrison write something that will deride hadden and parks, we can't continue to play like this,
i wouldn't care if we lost if we did it in style.
Scottish rugby for me died when we played a b team against Nz in the world cup. If we had fronted up with a full house at murrayfield, even if we lost it would have been positive and a springboard.It seemed really cleaver tactics to play our one guy who we didnt want injured in that game ie paterson.
you couldn't make this on going soap opera up
44

Toast,

16/03/2008 10:40:53
Hadden is to rugby what Berti Vogts was to football,a nice bloke totally out of his depth with no tactical ability or imagination and as for the SRU just sitting on their hands doing nothing as usual,disgraceful.There is plenty money going into Murrayfield to pay for any coach we want,it is the disgraceful wasting of money inside the SRU that is the problem
45

MC Frankie Haddock, resident DJ at the Buftie Club,

16/03/2008 10:44:38
WOT #44? You think a mere £230K to MC Kie to lay down a set is a waste?

Must be a garage fan.
46

Lederblix,

16/03/2008 10:47:11
That is all past now....must be 99% of reasonable Scottish Rugby supporters want FH and DP to go; not much new being said now so lets move on. What is the programme for the Argy tour? Who will be Scottish coach? What will the squad be, and when announced? Will DP be in it? (depends on the second question!)
47

Woodyman,

Bristol 16/03/2008 10:48:37
The number 10 position is arguably the most important (and the most difficult) position on the field. To trust it to a man who (repeatedly)cannot tackle, who looks on edge all the time (what does that tell you) and who under pressure consistently takes the wrong option - oh yes, and can't pass for toffee - is the sign of bad team management. End of story. Patterson is a great tackler, imaginative, brave and does not panic (oh yes and he does make mistakes as well)but he is the man for the summer tests. Scotland have some great players - our problem is we don't have enough of them and the SRU have to ask themselves why that is. Take a look at the youth policy: they closed down the exiles (whatever you think a good source of players), no funding for youth development, no attempt to spot talent early (you'll never ever see an SRU "scout" at any schoolboy games - unlike in Wales where they're trawling all the time). I could go on but I'd be even more boring. Having said all that though there is huge promise in that team, huge - we just need the right coaching leadership.
48

Bladerunner,

bit through a strap on the straight jacket 16/03/2008 10:49:26
I 'retired' from the post on Friday but I am appalled and totally depressed after hearing the Haddock's astonishing view that we are making progress. Well yes d*ckhead we have gone from wooden spoon winners to wooden spoon runners up on points difference to a poor Italy team. We beat a dire England team with a limited game. His team selection was downright depressing. The woeful and cowardly Desperate Dan Pants. This numpty has 43 caps thanks to Haddock (and Mutt Williams). I take it Pants didn't want to scrape off his moustache when he didn't dive on the ball as the Italian forwards closed in on the try line ? Yep - he ran away. Just as cowardly is Haddock's selection policy- if you can call it that- and his treatment of our best back Paterson. Just wait and see his chief apologist, the abysmal Kevin Ferrie, in the Herald tomorrow after his puff piece yesterday. At least Tom English and Alasdair Reid in the SoS and Sunday Herald respectively call it right. And just what is SRU President or whatever , Mr Gordon (£240,000 - yes thats right) McKie going to do about this dire state of affairs? Nothing ! McKie, Haddock et al have the backbones of jellyfish and have no moral fibre whatsoever. They should resign if they have any semblance of self respect.

Rant over. The Bladerunner is tired and depressed and needs some more lithium injections and Prozac.

Bladerunner out.
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ken cameron,

mossley,ONTARIO 16/03/2008 10:51:07


I HAVE SAID IT BEFORE SCOTLAND NEEDS TO CLEAN HOUSE
FROM TOP TO BOTTOM .
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FoolMarks,

Milan 16/03/2008 10:54:18
Parks's kicking from hand is dreadful, he positions his body incorrectly.

If for some strange reason he is ever allowed to wear a Scotland jersey again, watch how he faces ACROSS the pitch to the touchline when kicking - this invariably causes him to do one of two things:

1. Send the ball forward on an extremely low trajectory, risking the charge-down.

2. Sky the ball without sending it any distance.

FoolMarks.
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Lederblix,

16/03/2008 10:58:17
the current Scottish strip (abortion) will always remind me of DP - please SRU can we bin it along with him?
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Napoleon Baldstalk III,

Local secure unit 16/03/2008 11:14:32
All you people are wrong!
Frank Hadden is a great coach who has been denied by the dastardly February weather, which was unusually rainy and horrible when everyone knows it should be sunny, warm and settled, except the england game when, thankfully, it was rainy and horrible, the shape of the ball (he thought he was coaching a ping-pong team after all, it's not his fault it was rugby) and biased, blind, nakedly prejudiced officials who are all high on drugs and champagne and obviously spend their time larging it up with a selection of rap artists and transexual hookers when they should be attending to their duties as the TMO.

Personally I know what I'm talking about - I live on a deep sea reef off the North Sea coast of Fraserburgh, have a large Norwegian Lobster called Tor for a neighbour, have recently beaten alcohol and drug problems with the help of Jesus Christ and am currently sectioned after I became convinced insects were eating my face and had to be tasered by the polis ootside my local church.
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Media 1,

Cape Town 16/03/2008 11:30:49
Napoleon

You are speaking nonsense!

Hadden managed 5 games and lost 4.

The one game that was won, was a derby game against England, a game that needs no motivational speech or management...
If the Scots can beat England, they have what it takes, why then was that form nowhere to be seen against the other sides?

Could it be that the Scottish players are just not interested unless they are playing England? It would seem so.
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 16/03/2008 11:46:31
Am I the only person on the entire planet who noticed that the try that won the Italians the game came from a pass that was AT LEAST three metres forward? I know forward passes can be hard to spot, but it was thrown from well in front of the 22, and bounced a good metre BEHIND the 22 before being picked up and run in. How much more clear-cut can a forward pass be than one that crosses a line? Until that the Italians had posed no real second-half threat at all and we'd have got the win.
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Napoleon Baldstalk III,

16/03/2008 11:54:01
Nonsense #53, I'm an expert and I'm right. Always.

One of my hobbies is spending my pocket money buying fridgeloads of degradable commodities (my favourite is eggs) then ranting at my family or carers if they dare to eat them. What's the point of buying an egg if you're only going to eat it?

It's obvious that the match officials were to blame. But what do you expect when you fill the ranks with a selection of biased, blind, unfit, one legged, Bordello frequenting French Trotskyists who are pretending to be Irish?

It's also obvious that the shape of the ball was to blame too - it's so obviously been especially designed to bounce away from Scotsmen and towards Frenchmen, Irishmen, Welshmen but not Englishmen (we beat them).
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Jaimeson,

Scotland 16/03/2008 12:10:27
What a sorry lot of people most of you are. With you as supporters? the Scotland rugby team (and country)certainly don't need enemies.
Yes, maybe Scotland lost a game it should have won and yes Dan Parks' play and Hadden's selections were mostly to blame. But that doesn't give any of you the right to make abusive and derogatory comments about them. At least not unless you sign for them with your full name and address in the way proper journalists do. Intelligent comment yes, offensive junk no.
I think it's about time The Scotsman introduced a more stringent vetting procedure before allowing people to comment on its sites.
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Wuerzburg,

Germany . 16/03/2008 12:29:45
Look , the saying is , you can´t make a silk purse from a sows ear . Scotland simply do not have the players at the moment to compete successfully against the top sides . Jesus Christ as coach could not change that . Hadden is a thoughtful coach but is powerless . It will take some times before Scotland is able to compete and that after a root and branch rethink of Scottish rugby . In the meantime the level of antipathy shown towards England and I´m talking about sport ,while giving an extra edge to matches , does not serve Scotland well . The level of meaness and muddle exhibited whenever England is played indicates an all pervading lack of foresight and its this that is responsible for Scotlands plight . Englands matches against Ireland , for example , are often more fiercly fought than against Scotland but absent of malice . This is because the Irish have brains , are adult , produce good players the Scots would salivate for and are not obsessed with England . I am English but I don´t want a weak Scotland , its not good for British or NH rugby . Lastly as a Unionist I applaud Salmonds celebrating Scotlands victory over England . Its this level of behaviour that good natured Scots deplore . Hadden should keep well away .
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Wuerzburg,

Germany . 16/03/2008 12:30:39
56 . I agree totally .
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Bladerunner,

Bit through the other strap and free 16/03/2008 12:34:35
Jaimeson - are you the Haddock's lost love child? Or Desperate's favourite crack uncle? Must be something like that as you need a big reality check. Scottish rugby is going down the tubes with these dim wits in charge. OK

Nurse, more lithium pse.
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Wraith Rover,

Hampshire 16/03/2008 12:37:15
=57 - Wuerzburg: "Lastly as a Unionist I applaud Salmonds celebrating Scotlands victory over England." ???? Eh, what?? Surely you meant to say "As a Unionist I deplore Salmond', etc, etc ... ..."?
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Wuerzburg,

Germany . 16/03/2008 12:50:58
60 Wraith Rovers . No I applaud Salmond . My contribution surely explains this . I think his behaviour is not enjoyed by most Scots and they therefore are less likely to agree his arguments , the main one being separation from the UK .
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john calvin,

16/03/2008 13:00:27
Lay of Parks - he's crap, but did'nt pick himself. The problem is Hadden. He has done nothing to further Scottish rugby in his time in charge, a couple of false dawns v under par English teams, and thats it. We can have no future with a guy who "can take positives" from a game when we lose to the Italians. No disrespect to them, but if we are now taking positives from a defeat to Italy, just how far have we fallen. Hadden is a loser - he sets the bar far too low, and we will go nowhere with him in terms of top class rugby. And please, let no one join the losers' chorus of "we have to be realistic, we are a small nation." No smaller than Wales or Ireland, and those 2 teams have in the past few years made us look 2nd rate, and established themselves on the world stage. Can you ever imagine them accepting defeat and fielding 2 XVs v the All Blacks in the World Cup. Hadden has to go, he is a national disgrace to our pride as a sporting nation.
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parks is colin nish,

cape town 16/03/2008 13:03:48
jamieson thanks for that,we will be more polite to Mr Parks,who is not scottish and is only here because smurfs aren't allowed to play rugby in australia
(apologies to any smurfs that are offended).
sorry can't help myself
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Wraith Rover,

Hampshire 16/03/2008 13:10:07
#61 Wuerzburg. Ah, I see, irony. I'm afraid that was lost on me, it was a touch too subtle - something not seen overmuch on this forum!)
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bumpkin,

16/03/2008 13:13:18
yet again our best standoff is not in the squad.
Gordon Ross has been excluded by Frank Haddock for 3 or 4 seasons for no reason other than his personal dislike of him.
His record for scotland is exceptional, and led us to our only victory over the springboks.
Scotland has few enough world class players without squandering the talent of Gogs.
Why parks ever played for scotland is a mystery to me.
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Jaimeson,

Scotland 16/03/2008 13:18:02
59.
You see how it is Bladerunner. You're now abusing me. And because you are hiding behind a ridiculous nom de plume I don't have the opportunity to confront you personally.
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expat123,

in a place called despair 16/03/2008 13:18:02
I'm fed up with comments about not having the talent or thhat we do not have the players.... absolutele rubbish. There is a squad that man for man could easily play way above the level that they currently are. Look at Wales? The difference? Coaching, self belief and leadership from a far better back room than Scotland has ever had (in recent times). Man for man Wales have no more ability than Scotland - fact. We have talent playters who are not being given the opportunity or encouraged in the right manner. Get the coach right and believe me there would be a huge difference. After the Edinburgh farce and the players that left would you have given the Edin side a chance in the Magners? Robinson has done wonders and proves yet again what can be achieved. Wake up #57
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TomSimpson,

Bristol 16/03/2008 13:21:07
*56. Tom Simpson, School of Chemistry, University of Bristol - OK enough detail. for you?
Quite frankly most of the comments are understated in my view. If you look at the posts after It was announced that Parks was replacing Nikki Walker you will see that 100% of them were appalled and dismayed at the selection. Only none of them predicted just how poorly Parks would play. Thank you No 28 for saving me the job I was going to do. Of course (all) other players make mistakes - just think of Gregor Townsend, despite the sheer class probably cost more points than he created - but Dan Parks is just awful - he simply has no redeeming features, and his lack of courage is there for all to see. He should never have been capped in the first place, and it defies belief that he must be one of Scotland's most capped stand offs - just realised that it is a pretty accurate description for the way he plays! Scotland do have good fly halves in addition to Paterson. As someone who watched Gordon Ross since he came into the Heriots School First XV, I find it amazing that he has been treated so badly by Scotland - can someone explain what he did or who he upset so badly to justify his consistent non-selection.
What upsets people so badly about Hadden is his selection policy - not just Parks. Remember he started the season without Paterson and Hogg!! Paterson did not have enough "game time" despite the fact that one of his picks had not played for 5 weeks. His new policy for the bench with only two backs, one of whom has to be a scrum half, has never to my knowledge ever happened before in the whole of international rugby. He is probably a nice guy, but he has totally undermined any credibility he might have. The contrived selection of Parks for Italy was the last straw for everyone.
Two final points - (1) we must get back to a jersey that players will not be embarrassed to be seen in - plain green and red are good enough for Ireland and Wales. At least they look like rugby players
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Jaimeson,

Scotland 16/03/2008 13:21:38
67
Here here! Intelligent comments at last
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Jaimeson,

Scotland 16/03/2008 13:28:11
69
And more intelligent comments. from J Coleman, Greenock Rd, Largs. Maybe we'll start a trend.
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TomSimpson,

16/03/2008 13:30:22
68. Part 2!

.. at least they look like rugby players rather than demented spidermen. (2) How did we manage to lose to France - after the Wales game, clearly the worst team in the ^n - and Lievremont possibly the worst coach. At least he has unlimited numbers of class players to select from.
Finally, finally Thanks to the players they mostly played their hearts out and we shall continue to support you. After all we Presbyterians were not born to enjoy life! Remember where Wales were 6 months ago. Hope springs eternal!
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Captain Jon,

Cabo San Lucas 16/03/2008 13:30:40
I hope to see us build for the future now and adopt a more adventurous and open running game in the backs. That surely means Paterson at 10 for the next 2-3 years until Godman is mature enough to step up. Parks at 10 for the next 2-3 years surely means Godman will inherit a back division short on creativity and attacking flair.

Many countries nowadays opt for a national coach/manager who comes from abroad. At the same time I think it is disappointing to see the lack of potential Scottish candidates for those key positions. Especially since historically our footballing Boss men have been the envy of the world. Busby, Shankly, Stein, Paisley, Fergusson. Moyes is a hugely talented.

Is enough being done to develop a rich vein of Scottish rugby coaches and managers for the future? The enormity and intensity of the current Hadden debate shows us all how important that question is.
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my granny could play better,

FIFE 16/03/2008 14:09:09
The fact that DP has now twice during this 6nations not been man enough to put his body on the line for his country says it all.Get your stuff and get the first plane back to Oz. Oh, sorry you cant, you aint good enough to play club rugby down under. His kicking is awful. Between chargedowns, missing touch by miles and the ridiculous up and unders against England, all joking aside, it really is time for him to retire from at least international rugby. And, FH too for that matter. For someone in charge of an international rugby team to make blatently poor desicions week in week out, it really is nonesence. He seems totally oblivious to what is going on around him. " I think we have made progress " HAHA HAHA HAHA. Is it really possible to make progress backwards? And to say the win over England was for the supporters and not the critics is just stupid.Iam both. Like everyone else who has put up with the crap week in week out which comes from Murrayfield. It wont be long until the crowds are outside Murrayfield again. Though not for the rugby. It will be the supporters / critics with our " taxi for Haddon " banners, chanting for him to be sacked. That is if he doesnt resign first. Which of course he should. And before i go, congratulations to Paterson. Every game playing in a different position, shifted here there and everywhere to make way for DP, and never saying a word. Few men would hold it together under these circumstances.Maybe we shall see him playing in the second row yet!!Come on FH, sort yourself out and put Paterson in at no.10. He is statistically the best kicker, he is a fantastic player, and deserves far more than you are giving him. FH, YOU ARE A PLONKER!!!!!
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Napoleon Baldstalk III,

16/03/2008 14:15:42
#56, 57, it would appear quite a range of experts disagreed with your assessment, not least amongst them current squad members, management and pundits (even English ones).

Before the 6N Hadden himself lauded the comparative depth of his squad, saying the quality was comparable to the Welsh or the Irish, and a range of luminaries from Euan Murray to Bill Beaumont, hell - even Stuart Barnes! - had us down as potential dark horses and a serious banana skin.

But what do they know? Obviously not much, although we were good enough to trip the English up, thus meaning a result which, in context, can only be viewed as a freak was the only thing which stood between us and the whitewash.

The bald facts are that Hadden hasn't managed his squad well. The team doesn't look motivated, it looks nervous. Young, exciting players who, presumably, Hadden doesn't know or trust, are either never picked or quickly dispensed with (de Luca, Barclay, even Strokosch who only appeared because of injury), whilst off form senior players or players who have rarely performed are cemented in place (Dan Parks), and other players are tinkered with and generally messed around (Paterson). He's also obsessed about size, even when it became obvious that it negated our ability to win quick ball and decent lineouts, and next season you may be able to pull the maul down legally anyway.

It would seem we have some reasonable players knocking around at the moment, injuries or not. A half decent manager could probably meld a half decent team out of them. Yesterday we were almost there, partly, one suspects, by default, but nonetheless we started to dominate the Italians and looked like winning. We were the only team creating opportunities. The trouble is there was one selectorial howler in particular - a player whose errors have cost Scotland dear in the past - who duly obliged by handing Italy 2 scores. After 43 error strewn caps what did Hadden expect? What's more he'd picked a bench which meant
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Napoleon Baldstalk III,

16/03/2008 14:18:43
CONT.....he couldn't shuffle his deck, not unless you wanted Jason White at out half!

Poor Dan Parks - I feel sympathy for him, but very few people have what it takes to play at that level, and it's probably unfair of Hadden to heap all that pressure on him.
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parks is colin nish,

cape town 16/03/2008 14:27:45

#76 perhaps not so poor dan parks, when he skittles back to oz with our money having topped up his pension fund


#36 media 1, what part of cape town are you in?
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Bordererinengland,

16/03/2008 15:19:12
I read this site most days and comment regularly. However,in the run up to the Italy game I took the decision,after the original team was announced,to give the site a miss until after the Italy game.

Hadden had picked a reasonable team,perhaps not as adventurous as I would have liked, but I was convinced that he couldn't remain in situ (despite the England result) for next year's Six Nations. I was going to enjoy the game which should produce some running rugby with Paterson at 10 and an Italian fly half who basically had to offload and run as he couldn't kick.

I did pick up on the radio whilst on my travels that Walker had been injured but naively assumed either Henderson would move up or someone like Cairns would be brought in.

I genuinely sat down at 12.55 yesterday looking forward to a decent afternoon's rugby not knowing who had been brought in for Walker.

As Flower of Scotland played and the camera panned along the Scotland team there was Parks without a training top. Initial reaction was...it must be warm....bodes well for a running game but then it dawned on me Parks was in the starting lineup!

I was immediately told off by the wife for swearing!

As the immediate surprise and incredulity wore off I became more and more philisophical about it all. As the wife headed off to shop she said "enjoy the rugby but watch the language and keep the noise down".

That,I have to say,simply wasn't possible.

There is a saying..."give a man enough rope and he will hang himself". All I'll say is Mr Hadden you have truly succeeded!
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windturbiner,

gatwick 16/03/2008 15:19:35
umbelievable, here's what scott hastings said,...
1."Yet we cannot put the blame on one player. It was always going to be a tight game and it was always going to turn on mistakes"
2!There's not much more I can say about Chris Paterson that hasn't already been said in terms of his goal kicking but yesterday I felt that some of his kicking from hand was poor, especially when the Italian pressure came on, and there were other wayward kicks from the likes of Simon Taylor"
Deluded...