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Published Date: 10 May 2009
A SCOTTISH declaration of independence sets off a wave of catastrophic events which brings the world to the brink of nuclear annihilation.
Alan Clements' debut fictional work, Rogue Nation, set in 2014, features a mushroom cloud on the front cover and warns of the devastating consequences unleashed by the break-up of the UK.

The Scottish Television executive-turned-author insists it
should be seen as a work of entertaining fiction rather than an anti-nationalist polemic.

But a spokesman for First Minister Alex Salmond dismissed the book as a "fevered fantasy" and suggested Clements needed to relax in a "darkened room".

It is not the first time that Clements and his wife, the broadcaster Kirsty Wark, have been accused of displaying pro-Labour sympathies. In 2004, the pair were at the centre of mounting controversy when it emerged Jack McConnell, the then First Minister, spent Hogmanay at their Majorcan villa.

Clements' work is one of a series of new British thrillers that have been endorsed by the multimillion-selling author and disgraced politician Jeffrey Archer.

The dystopian tale revolves around a series of financial and diplomatic crises, which escalate dramatically after Scotland opts to dissolve the Union.

Promotional literature for the work states: "The year is 2014. The Republicans have re-conquered the White House, the Conservatives have just won a second term at Westminster and hardliners dominate Russia. In a small corner of north-western Europe, the Scots have just narrowly voted for independence, a decision they immediately regret.

"Following the referendum, George Wallace, friend and Senior Special Adviser to Scotland's First Minister, is desperately struggling to stem financial meltdown and political turmoil when help appears from an unlikely source."

Like Cuba in the 1960s, when a superpower stand-off took the world to the brink of nuclear war, Scotland appears to be the source of escalating tensions between a hawkish right- wing administration in Washington and an equally pugnacious neo-Stalinist regime in Moscow.

The introduction to the book continues: "George Wallace can save Scotland, but at what price for his family and his nation?

"As the body count mounts, the actions switches from the White House to the Kremlin and from Westminster to Holyrood.

"George is forced to choose between love and belief, between loyalty and morality.

"As the 100-day countdown to independence accelerates to a shattering climax, George must decide who he can truly trust and which nation is really the rogue."

Clements insists the book was not written as a Nat-bashing exercise.

He said: "The last thing you can think of it is that it is a pro-Union book. The hero is a nationalist, albeit a doubting nationalist in many ways.

"I would stress that this is a work of fiction, not some sort of political prophecy. I don't think you could come out of reading it thinking it was an anti-independence polemic."

But STV's director of content conceded that the book had already divided opinion.

He said: "One friend, who is a very passionate and active nationalist, never took any pro-Union slant from it.

"Another read it and said: 'I guess the fight for independence is not worth the candle.'"

Kevin Pringle, senior special adviser to the First Minister, was unimpressed by the sensational role played by his fictional counterpart.

He said: "This sounds like not so much a work of fiction, more a fevered fantasy. Alan needs to lie down in a darkened room.

"Back in the real Scotland, the success of the Parliament over the past decade is a victory over the doom-mongers who made all sorts of madcap predictions if we voted for Home Rule in 1997, or for an SNP government in 2007."

The book will be one of the first releases of the newly formed Curzon Group of authors, which aims to promote British thrillers against the advances of massive-selling American authors such as John Grisham and Dan Brown.

The organisation, made up of Clements and fellow writers Matt Lynn and Martin Baker, has wordsmith and former politician Archer as its official adviser. The one-time Tory candidate to be mayor of London, whose books were international best-sellers in the 1970s, 80s and 90s, was jailed in 2001 for perjury and perverting the course of justice.

But Clements still values his judgment and said: "I'm going to send Lord Archer a copy and it would be great if he said something nice about it, but I won't bank on it."

Clements and Newsnight host Wark, who have been dubbed "Scotland's media golden couple" are no strangers to controversy.

In 2004, a furore erupted after it emerged they had gone on holiday with McConnell and his wife, Bridget. The row intensified when it was later revealed they had twice been overnight guests at Bute House, the First Minister's official residence in Edinburgh.

Questions were asked about the relationship between two leading broadcast figures and the man running the country, while Clements accused the media of conducting a McCarthy-style witch hunt against two families who happened to be friends.

Then in 2007, the BBC formally apologised to Salmond after receiving dozens of complaints about the way Wark had handled an interview with him. It admitted Wark's treatment of the SNP leader had been "rude and dismissive", with the presenter saying "exactly" before cutting him off mid-sentence.

Clements joined the Labour Party aged 14 and was keen to enter politics, but he ended his membership when he started a career in broadcasting.

• Rogue Nation will be published by Mainstream next month.





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1

Dr. James Wilkie,

Vienna 10/05/2009 00:34:47
Well, I haven't read the book, but to judge from this description Alan Clements doesn't have much of a grasp of international affairs. "Pulp fiction" would be a complimentary description of this rubbish. The Clements, husband and wife, are avowed Labour supporters, as they showed when they made a killing out of the Holyrood project with a unbalanced programme that not only failed to present all of the relevant facts, but also avoided anything that might have cast an adverse light on the Labour Party. This book is obviously in the same line of political propaganda. I'll wait till I can borrow it, and then only if I have time on my hands.

2

Iago,

Aberystwyth 10/05/2009 00:38:15
Utter rubbish. I wouldn't want to buy this book at all. It doesn't sound very thrilling at all; more one for the bonfire I think. Clements states that it's not supposed to be anti-nationalist, but everyone knows he is and it is published not long before Salmond wants to put the independence question to the people.
3

Beachcomber,

Edinburgh 10/05/2009 00:41:08
Interesting article from todays Indy re Nuclear Power Stations..

'Devastating blow as leaked letter shows regulator could pull plug on proposed UK reactors because of 'design errors'

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/green-living/safety-threat-to-planned-nuclear-power-stations-1682293.html


4

Iainbroch,

10/05/2009 00:43:07
I wont be buying this book. Enough said.
5

For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 10/05/2009 00:43:44
And the husband of Kirsty Wark says "the book was not written as a Nat-bashing exercise"

Clements and Newsnight host Wark, who have been dubbed "Scotland's media golden couple" Oh God - Scotland's own Posh and Beck

Whats the end of the book like. Does he have the First Minister of Scotland begging on his knees to the English PM in Westminster, pleading to be let back into the union.

Isn't it amazing, what with 17% increase in Whisky tax in the past year, and Oil being pumped out of the ground as fast as possible, in these unionist inspired scenarios, it is always Scotland that has the financial melt-down and not England.

"A SCOTTISH declaration of independence sets off a wave of catastrophic events which brings the world to the brink of nuclear annihilation"

Well, by that time, we'll have all the nuclear submarines. It's a pity the missiles won't fit though.
6

Edward,

10/05/2009 00:57:53
Is this a sign of things to come?
Im talking about the anti SNP, pro unioisy propaganda
The more the good ship Labour sinks with all hands, the more rubbish stories like this were going to see
Desperate times indeed by the Labour spin machine
Desperate times by Scotsman Publications
7

JC1,

Glasgow 10/05/2009 00:59:43
Didn't salmond think Braveheart was a documentary?
8

Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 10/05/2009 01:05:55
I have a copy somewhere of Douglas Hurd's "Scotch on the Rocks" which was a similar scare tactic that came out as a novel a good bit before my time. I'm proud to own "Scotch on the Rocks" but I don't think I'll bother with this one. It is interesting that the Scotsman now treat book reviews as "news". We had the Thatcher book last week. This week another load of ... well, what else are we to expect ... the labour press releases can't be good reading.
9

Observer,,

Glasgow 10/05/2009 01:25:27
Yes so if Scotland goes independent we are going to have a nuclear war.

Jesus try harder.

Muriel used to pose as a nationalist, but she was always one who just couldn't wait to get her piggy little nose into the trough, there I've said it, Rufus and his lover Fifi will have little kittens in celebration.
10

Am Fògarrach,

10/05/2009 01:26:09
#9 JC1: So what's your point?

Regarding the book itself, consider the source. I agree with #s 2, 3, 4, 7 & 8. Even Rufus #1 says something intelligent for a change.
11

hoblar,

10/05/2009 01:29:19
I don't think that Dan brown too much will worry when this book is released against his own.

Sounds like a pile of utter wishful desperate kak.
12

Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 10/05/2009 01:33:51
I'm currently working on a novel of my own. In my novel the main character Cameron Foulkes, a journalist and full time defender of the union, discovers an SNP plot to allow the public a referendum on independence. His boss, editor Jack Wark, later turns out to have connections to government through his lover Wendy Douglas (a temp to the Prime Minister). Cameron Foulkes decides to trap the SNP traitors by writing a novel imagining what the future might be like under their rule. However, the book gets caught in a time warp and is transported into the future where a more sensible independent minded people see it as the nonsense it is.

It's just a rought draft but you never know, if I'm as connected as Mr Wark I'll probably suceed in getting it published. So, from my villa in Tuscany...
13

hoblar,

10/05/2009 01:46:09
2014, seven hundred years after Bannockburn, could be a goer, and Wark's husband has correctly predicted that Gordon brown isn't in the offing as being involve din all this political intrigue as the tories get their SECOND run at Westminster!

Do some of it is possible, although the world being brought to the brink of destruction by Independence hasn't even been argued by the desperate like of Jim Murphy, he'll be gutted that Mr Kirsty Wark couldn't have hinted at this for him to use, he's tried every other l,oad of kak....-an idea worth pursuing for Labour? lol

I think so, just the right proportion of utter negativity for a PARTY WITH NO IDEAS: 'new' labour.

"A Vote for Scottish Independence could mean a Vote to end of the world".......sounds quite catchy, and as true as any guff the uk government comes out with!
14

famous 15,

Edinburgh 10/05/2009 01:58:36
Its the end of the world as we know it! YIKES. Does that mean a sane and prosperous Scotland with INDEPENDENCE!
15

GONNYNODEATHAT,

Glasgow 10/05/2009 02:26:50
The devastating consequences unleashed in 2014 is the COMMONWEALTH (DIDDY) GAMES.
16

cummontator,

10/05/2009 04:12:58
poor clements/ aka Mr Wark he must have been bored ... not as bored as Mr Jackie Smith
17

smokey joe 1,

10/05/2009 04:58:39
The guy,s no right in the heid.

Bound to be on the worst sellers list.
18

Murray in Canada,

Salt Spring Island 10/05/2009 05:50:42
Interesting - I will read it [sometime] if only for a laugh, and to compare with some other political novels I thought quite well of. E.G. "House of Cards", which is pretty good at describing political machinations and back-stabbing (remind you of anyone?) - "A Very British Coup", whose TV adaptation was a bit happier than the book; and does anyone remember a serio--comic novel of the fifties, I believe, called "The Scotching of the Snake", which was all about Nationalists trying to seize power. Unsuccessfully, of course, which I thought a great pity.
Anyway, one should never forget about the willing suspension of disbelief.
19

bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 10/05/2009 06:36:31
“Clements' work is one of a series of new British thrillers that have been endorsed by the multimillion-selling author and disgraced politician Jeffrey Archer.”


That single sentence probably tells us all we need to know about this book.
20

Thomas1,

// 10/05/2009 06:36:55
Wait for book 2,when the dust(fallout)settles and 75% of the worlds population has died,aliens from an unknown galaxy land in Scotland and start interbreeding with the surviving natives,Alex Salmond makes a comeback and forms a political alliance with the alien party under the pan galaxy agreement allowing scots to travel to an unknown galaxy.................................................
21

bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 10/05/2009 07:23:11
Would this pan-galaxy agreement exclude Martians following the Mars Bar?
22

Thomas1,

// 10/05/2009 07:36:14
24
Indeed the pan-galaxy agreement will exclude idiots who eat fried mars bars
23

Thomas1,

// 10/05/2009 08:01:05
26
Have you no imagination,it's Sunday have a break have kitkat.
24

Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 10/05/2009 08:15:22
Jeez, Scotland too stupid to run its own affairs. We MUST stay in the union TO SAVE THE WORLD!!!!

Oh dear, pull the other one...:)
25

TWC,

exLabour 10/05/2009 08:42:35
Married to Kirsty Wark ???? Now that would be a nightmare.
She looks like a Labour MSP
26

TWC,

exLabour 10/05/2009 08:44:13
26 Rulesbutnotrulers,

I don't agree Rules, I think that the LibDems and Tories become far more attractive in an Independence scenario
27

Curley Bill,

10/05/2009 08:54:22
30 TWC - Tories atrractive? Did you have a heavy night last night and are seeing Annabel through beer-goggles? (shudder)
28

FTH22inarow,

10/05/2009 08:58:30
Blow up the world, ours if f'ked anyway, what with this specially engineered recession to remove hard fought for rights and working conditions, no retirement except for the rich, no Healthcare again except for the rich. Have we allowed ourselves to become so dumbed down we cant see the emergence of this "New World Order"? You have been warned
29

TWC,

exLabour 10/05/2009 08:58:48
31 Curley Bill

A wee bit too much Brandy but I think Scottish Tory is completely du=ifferent from the old Brigade
30

willyam7,

crossford 10/05/2009 09:06:49
there,s hard work, easy work, and silly work,clement,s and his spouse, obviously have to much spare time on there hand,s when there head,s full of this rubbish.
31

Roy,

10/05/2009 09:13:47
Surprised that Mainstream would publish such tosh. There's fiction...then there's cloud-cuckooland.
32

Rufus—T—Firefly,,

10/05/2009 10:12:24
I recommend "Scotch on the Rocks" by The Rht Honourable Douglas Hurd and his flunkey Mr Michael Hirst.

They weren't trying to scaremonger either.

Much better read - but I didn't fancy the ending much.
33

Rufus—T—Firefly,,

10/05/2009 10:17:28
I will petition the BBC to re-release the Serial.

The "Jim Sillars" character was immense and who could forget the most excellent Lady Sukie Dunmayne.

We don't want an armed rebellion in Scotland - that should dish the Gnats.
34

Rufus—T—Firefly,,

10/05/2009 10:18:55
Maybe not - I think the SNP vote went up after they showed it in 1974.
35

Desmo,

Lumphinnans 10/05/2009 10:24:24
Over on another thread, unionist posters are, yet again, playing the "tartan tories" game.

Now, after tory policies were gleefully carried on by New Labour upon gaining power, after privatisations which the real tories baulked at, after Brown invited Thatcher for tea, we learn that "Mr. Kirsty Wark" is "officially advised" by one of the most odious individuals ever to wear a tory badge.

How much longer will it take before Labour supporters see this mince for what it is and come to their senses.
36

Jimmy Fae the West,

Land of Green Ginger 10/05/2009 10:33:04
Joe at 32, that Mushroom cloud hanging over the eastern seaboard is actually a series of upturned boats. it remains as shrine to unionist corruption, incompetence and recalcitrance.

never forget that the 430.5 million pound decision was taken in London.
37

LEAL,

10/05/2009 10:35:56
Gordon Brown said he would do anything to keep the Scots down.This book and indeed this headline are all part of that "anything".Yet support for independence keeps rising!Perhaps we have passed the tipping point and all the anti independence propaganda is persuading Scots that the union is a busted flush.
38

Liberal for life,

Dunblane 10/05/2009 11:00:38
I quote - "It has been insufficiently remarked upon that the rise of the SNP has not exactly coincided with an exaltation of the quality of political debate. Those who see the SNP as a vehicle for genuine change in our society should think very hard about this."

Russell Johnston MP Perth 19th June 1976

In the intervening years has anything much changed? No.

The SNP are a pressure group with only their mantra of so-called independence as their life line. The sooner people use their heads when voting rather than their hearts the better we will all be.
39

bumpkin,

10/05/2009 11:02:26
since neither london or washington want to see the uk break up, be prepared for lots of dirty tricks.
40

English Voice,

10/05/2009 11:04:16
Good lord.

I see Hazel Blears managed to claim for 3 TVs and repairs on her "second home" but cleverly managed to avoid paying capital gains tax when she sold the renovated property by telling the Inland Revenue it was her primary residence.

Unionist Divends abound!
41

SilverShred,

in the jamjar 10/05/2009 11:21:17
#43

Aw, Liberal for life. You didn't punctuate your quote properly.

Surely any quote from Russell Johnston (or Lord Russell-Johnston as he ultimately became in his hyphenated dotage) should have concluded with a "Hic!"?
42

alanh,

ek 10/05/2009 11:36:36
why is a book from the fiction category written by a well known nu liebore sleaze and spin party supporter being publicised in the politics section of a national "news"paper?
And why is the "writer" of this piece only being described as "being accused of displaying new labour sympathies", making it look like there is ANY doubt in the party they support?
43

hoblar,

10/05/2009 11:51:35
A free advertisement on the 'political' section of a Scottish newspaper probably means that the editors of this paper didn't realise that there was a fictional aspect to this story, it coming from the bbc news ofice and jeffrey archer, who is a totally disgraced individual who can still con thick people apparently; like the Warks!

As to what Scotland will vote when Independence ocurs, for years I have seen the odd (and I mean 'odd') person state that Scotland will be voting (new) labour upon Independence, and yet there is nothing substantial, no rewriting of new labour to suit Scotland, even though Wendy Alexander said that labour in Scotland neded to be rebuilt from the ground up.

People won't vote Labour unless they have a reason to, now or post Independence.
44

Pilrig,

Livingston 10/05/2009 11:54:14
Available in all good bookshops (bargain bins)
45

Pilrig,

Livingston 10/05/2009 11:56:05
37 I remember the tv prog ;Hurd & Hirst did the right thing and stuck to their daytime jobs.
46

For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP----BOOM!!!! 10/05/2009 12:10:58
Labour really are determined that the sky will fall down.

The majority of people will vote for the SNP, and the SNP will SEIZE control.

Labour will rig elections and postal votes and will GAIN just 2 seats.

Liberal Democrats - Go back to your constituencies and prepare to become the official opposition
47

nova albion,

10/05/2009 12:18:13
26. You said it mate, lets hope we don't come to that!
48

Westfield Bairns,

Falkirk 10/05/2009 12:20:54
Oh what a surprise more anti-SNP propoganda on behalf of the British State. Desperate stuff from Unionists who know the game is up. Independence is enevitable
49

Media at One,

10/05/2009 12:21:28
An unbelievable book if you are open minded enough to deal with such fiction.
I would not recommend that any SNP fan read the book as you will not be able to enjoy for what it is -
50

nova albion,

10/05/2009 12:25:50
53. What a crock! The majority will vote for the party they deem capable of running Scotland in conjunction with the tories who will be running the UK.
51

nova albion,

10/05/2009 12:30:01
55.Independence! say it enough times and you might think it's for real! but,it aint, and will never be not in your lifetime.
52

hoblar,

10/05/2009 12:30:31
I thought that dan brown and the davinci code was a load of backward pants, written for simpletons with the attention span of a goldfish, therefore I reckon it is obvious that this third rater will certainly be 'enjoyed for what it is'.

Pure guff.

Good luck to the author, a person who wrote a book about Scottish Independence leading to nuclear holocaust and the end of the world, and yet we are told that we would be 'insignificant' without the likes of New labour and the tories ruining our lives and economy as part of the union!

I predict some bottom wiping uses for the novel as it bombs. (no pun)

Bring him on!
53

European Scot,

10/05/2009 12:36:40
43 Liberal for life

"The SNP are a pressure group with only their mantra of so-called independence as their life line. The sooner people use their heads when voting rather than their hearts the better we will all be."

What exactly is this 'mantra of so-called independence' ?
Presumably you mean a policy that supports the independence of Scotland.
A perfectly normal and legitimate pursuit, as practised by most of the free World.
The fact is that at the next General election, and at the following Scottish elections, people will most certainly be using their heads, and New Labour will be the first to feel the negative effects of that.
The choice ahead, is either Scotland continues under Westminster rule within the Union, or it stands as an independent country, determining its own future, and having full control over its own economy.
I believe it should, and will be the latter, full independence, no half-way measures, and no federal nonsense.
Rather like the way we tend to run our lives as individuals, not having someone else telling us what to do, but speaking up for ourselves, and having the confidence and self belief, to stand up and support our own particular way of life.
If Tavish dropped the 'Unionist' label, and stood up for an Independent Scotland,
your own Party's fortunes would change for the better.
As for Clements, it would seem that his book is playing on the fears of those uncertain about Independence. In which case it's just a rather obvious effort on behalf of their New Labour friends and the British Establishment. to create a propaganda vehicle for the Unionist cause.
Perhaps the author is looking for a different kind of 'title' in the future ?
54

Mèths,

10/05/2009 12:49:50
albion rovers

"55.Independence! say it enough times and you might think it's for real! but,it aint, and will never be not in your lifetime."

But possibly yours as you come across as being about twelve.
55

nova albion,

10/05/2009 12:58:09
61. Maybe you need your sanatogen old man.
56

Jo'Burg Jock,

South Africa 10/05/2009 13:19:41
Liberal for life,Dunblane 10/05/2009 11:00:38


From the BBC Scotland :-

"Between 1889 and 1914 Scottish home rule was debated 15 times in Parliament, including the introduction of four bills. In 1913 a Home Rule Bill passed its second reading. World War I then intervened and the idea was dropped"


From The "Independent on Sunday" (29 July 2008) :-

"In 1966 (Russell Johnston) introduced a Home Rule Bill to the Commons, solidly opposed by both the Labour government and the Conservative opposition."

History proves the self defeating conclusion of your own argument and Russell Johnston's statement.

Namely:-

Russel Johnston failed with his Home Rule Bill as did previous attempts at Home Rule since 1707.

Support for the Scottish National Party forced the British into the "The Scotland Act 1978" and the successful "Scotland Act 1998"

Absolutely nothing to do with the Liberals and their failures.

Greater support for the SNP Guarantees greater attention for Scotland.

To use your own words (Mr. Liberal for life)

"The sooner people use their heads when voting rather than their hearts the better we will all be."
57

European Scot,

10/05/2009 13:27:46
62 nova albion

Not long off the gripe water then, cockney sparrow ?
Still problems with a little Southerly wind.
58

Liberal for life,

Dunblane 10/05/2009 13:34:12
#60 - after 300 years of peaceful union and relative harmony, apart from the whinging Scots who congregate within the SNP, we need a more mature understanding of what exactly so-called independence SNP type would deliver that devolution can't. I know our version of Home Rule within a federal UK framework would be to the satisfaction of the MAJORITY of Scots.

The SNP whinge on about Scotlands oil as some kind of panacea when its simply a non-renewable hydrocarbon.

They then try and appear as aware of the environment as we Liberals but when it comes to serious understanding as to the whys and wherefores of it all the SNP have none of the real answers, hence a "wee pot of gold prize" due in 2015 -wow!

United we will continue to stand and thats a fact as opinion poll after opinion poll proclaims - this neverendum debate on so-called independence continues to sustain a few nationalist maverick MSPs who show ever greater allegiance to the conservative Tory party than to any desire to improve the quality of our peoples lives in any meaningful and lasting way.

The SNPs other distraction is the equally neverendum "national conversation" with themselves instead of engaging properly with Calman. At a time of economic downturn instead of proper investment in new schools etc we find capital projects that could help kickstart our economic recovery are being put on hold due to SNP dogma.

They truly are not fit to lead by example, so use your heads next time and lets have proper Home Rule, LibDem style.
59

im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 10/05/2009 13:34:13
#10 yes i remember the tv series they made of that book
i later discovered that hurd bought it all up from the bbc,and had it burned ,adolf hitler style
now that shows just exactly what fat tory boys think of us scots
take the cash,the burn the evidence behind them ,when they start to earn big money being a lap dog of maggie thatcher
now brown is her performing yapping poodle
after seeing the BBC Alba prog i wouldnt be surprised,if as the polls show,that scotland will vote snp and boot out labour,gov agencies will let off a bomb some where and blame sepratist extremists
60

im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 10/05/2009 13:39:34
ok #65 lets see all the figures ,that show just how much london gets
ie all the cash thats not counted that whitehall,and the rest get
olympics the millenium dome cost £789 million roughly twice what it cost to build the scottish parliament
lottery is now ready to fund london with the olympics which have been estimated at a cost of £5billion this in 1 city alone london underground new tube line cost £3.5 billion thats 3.5 times what the cost of a new bridge over the forth in scotland
scotlands entire transport budget is £2.3 billion and covers one third of the land mass of the uk

45 million goes to british museum
national museum of scotland which the gov doesnt count as its classed as being only for scotland gets £15 million a year (oh what a surprise there eh)

londons civil service jobs,are not counted by westminster as gov spending in london ,that includes mod dept of culture,foriegn office etc
so we see who really are the subsidy junkies yes westminster feeds billions into london and sod the rest of the uk citizens
no wonder scots are wanting away when all our tax money and oil revenue seems to be proping up england,and to add insult bank of england was established by a scot bet hes spinning in his grave
so before you whine about scots again remember we gave the world the tv the phone tarred your roads,bicycles,etc etc
well pay us the royalties on tv and phone alone i wonder just how rich we would be


61

pwd,

Borders 10/05/2009 14:00:34
The book would appear to be a political fantasy; Scotland is not that important to anybody outside Scotland - and independence at the last count was important only to the 17% of the electorate who voted SNP in 2007; the other 83% would appear to have not wanted independence.
62

Jo'Burg Jock,

South Africa 10/05/2009 14:06:55
Liberal for life,Dunblane 10/05/2009 13:34:12

"after 300 years of peaceful union and relative harmony"

Oh, is that your wording for 300 years of subjugation to Scotland's detriment. What about the rebellions of 1715 and 1745. What about the 1820 Scottish Radicals Rising.

"The SNP whinge on about Scotland's oil as some kind of panacea"

The oil has certainly been a "panacea" for the British. it staved off banktruptcy for the British in the seventies.

"instead of engaging properly with Calman."

Not one member of the Calman commission was elected by the Scottish electorate. It was engineered by you unionists and the members certainly do not in any way resemble anything like decent, normal members of the public.

Is this the "liberal" idea of democracy???

LIBERAL DEMOCRATS!!! That is a farcical name!
63

European Scot,

10/05/2009 14:13:46
65 Liberal for life

" I know our version of Home Rule within a federal UK framework would be to the satisfaction of the MAJORITY of Scots."

Err, no.
A version of home rule might have worked many years ago, but things have moved on since then.
Today 'Federal' has very few backers, it simply leaves Scotland exactly where it is now, as a 'region' within a 'UK'. Internationally it would continue to be regarded as a part of Angleterre, or Inglaterra whatever.
You keep on about 'whingeing', who is 'whingeing' ?
Or is that how speaking up for your country translates into your Unionist thinking ?
Your Party had a real opportunity to work with the SNP on behalf of Scotland, and it would have strengthened its position politically.
But no instead it put the interests of Union first, and Scotland second, just as your post seems to indicate you do.
A truly Scottish Liberal Party would do well for itself, and for Scotland, if it ditched its backward looking policy of supporting a Union, that has gone way past its sell by date, and which is clearly unravelling.
I'm sure that in spirit you have supported many of those small countries around the World, that we have all witnessed gaining their independence over the past few decades.
Is it really 'whingeing' to vocally do the same for your own country ?
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Jo'Burg Jock,

South Africa 10/05/2009 15:23:03
danielrober,10/05/2009 15:06:09

"Instead we have acted as good winners, with good sportsman like manners."

I have no idea what you are on about, but I trust you will act as good Losers when the people of Scotland vote to take their destiny into their own hands and our dear Scotland takes its place alongside the other free countries of this world.

I trust we will have no underhanded dealings which have overshadowed the Independence struggle of those other countries which have broken free from British rule.
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Linda,

Edinburgh 10/05/2009 15:32:35
The Lib Dems failed to grasp the thistle when they refused to go into coaltion with the SNP in May 2007 and are paying the price at the polls. Only 62 votes and in 6th place in last council by election in Bannockburn.
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Don Roberto,

10/05/2009 15:43:21
Poor Alan. Forever seen to be hidden behind Kirsty's underskirts, working diligently behind the scenes to monopolise the Indy sector in Scotland, then cosying up to IWC, finally shafting Hamish and Muriel when they all sold out to RDF. Then a London High court judge branding him dishonest after he persuaded his former PA to hack Hamish Barbour's email account to "see what people were saying about him." Then triumphantly heading over to SMG as head of content. Free from his binding contract not to work for a rival media production company. Only to find that SMG have forced him to take a 15% pay cut and wave tubby bye byes to his bonuses. No wonder he's turning to writing dross for poor Bill Campbell, he must owe Alan a big favour to put Mainstream through this.

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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 10/05/2009 15:46:27
The author hasn't chosen a very original title for his book?

A search of Amazon.com finds that there are another 15 novels with the identical title! Strangely enough, many of them have the same theme.

According to Amazon, Clements novel, which has not yet been released for sale, has not had great reviews,
and the hardback version has already had £2 knocked off the price because of poor orders.
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Jo'Burg Jock,

South Africa 10/05/2009 16:23:24
From The Times March 17, 2007:-

"Tony Blair launched an impassioned defence of the Union yesterday and claimed that independence for Scotland would lead to a gaping “black hole” that would cost Scottish families more than £5,000 a year."

Well that was a lie, but between Blair and the "gay Gordon" they have put every man, woman and child into hock for £60,000 each and no way out of it.

Will this book form the basis of the next election campaign for labour?
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should have gone to specsavers,

Thurso 10/05/2009 17:04:45
#7 "Well, by that time, we'll have all the nuclear submarines":
I doubt it, prior to the next election the MOD will move absolutely everything that isnt nailed down south of the border. Those things are expensive, just one of them costs as much as second homes for 200 MPs :)

#44: But ultimately they will (probably) respect democracy.

#65: so... the LibDems are touting their unionist credentials to gain credibility down south? Clutching at straws...

#66 "gov agencies will let off a bomb some where and blame sepratist extremists":
Nah, not even they'd be that stupid.

#74 "I trust we will have no underhanded dealings":
A hundred thousand spoiled ballots, remember. Sure there will be underhanded dealings; but those attemps will fail.
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hoblar,

10/05/2009 17:54:07
You want to see genius political polemic and satire then you go for the award winning 'In the thick of it', and believe that this ~Scotsman advertised book will be an absolute shadow of the intrigue and storylines that Armando Anniucci came up with.

The difference between political realism and a token go at Scotland.

Also, it is true that the guy from South Africa has correctly stated that Blair was inventing some fantasy figure for every Scot should we leave the union, and that figure has increased multifold by us being in the union.

There is the reality.
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 10/05/2009 18:32:23
Clements is a bit of a ratbag, see below:

RDF wins court case against Alan Clements
5th December, 2007

RDF Media Group is pleased to announce that today the High Court has found in its favour in its long-running legal dispute with Alan Clements, former Creative Director of RDF subsidiary IWC Media (IWC).

RDF has obtained a declaration and an injunction from Deputy Judge Bernard Livesey QC in the High Court restraining Mr Clements from joining a competitor until December 2008, three years after IWC was acquired by RDF. Mr Clements signed an agreement in December 2005 undertaking not to join a competitor for 3 years in exchange for the substantial consideration paid to him by RDF for his shares in IWC.

Mr Clements resigned his position at IWC in April of this year with the stated intention of taking up the role of Head of Content at SMG plc. A trial of the issues was held last month at the High Court of Justice in London.

David Frank, Chief Executive of RDF said:

"This is a victory not only for RDF but the independent sector as a whole as it continues to consolidate. It is vitally important that individuals are held to the agreements they make when their companies are acquired and they make a lot of money as a result.

In my view a deal is a deal. Alan Clements entered into his contractual arrangements with RDF voluntarily, for which he was paid handsomely. This was an important matter of principle and I’m delighted that the High Court has found in RDF's favour."
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Liberal for life,

Dunblane 10/05/2009 19:14:52
#70 & 79 - OK enough is enough even for a tolerant liberal like me.

The problem with nasty people like you is you can't see the benefit in genuine friendship and cooperation. You have a chip on your shoulders that is harder than Kemnay Granite.

Not only are we a part of the most democratic union that has prevailed now for centuries but more recently we became part of a democratically elected European wide union that is now embracing those countries previously disenfranchised due to the carve up beteeen the USA and The Soviet Union (a union that did not last simply because it was coercion, not democratic).

Highr values should be our aim - peace in our time etc etc

People like you are disgrace to civilisation, repeat civilisation.

Darwin only works when animals behave in a manner that embraces change, not work against the inevitable progress of the species that survives.

People like you are both racist and ultimately facist -any other defence you posture around is a lie!
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piehutt,

10/05/2009 19:19:00
I can't believe unionists still think this scare mongering works.

Remember John Reid at a Labour conference in 2006... families will be split up and people will be stopped at the border.

It just makes the nationalist vote stronger.

Keep it coming I say.
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Eve,

Scotland 10/05/2009 19:43:45
It's a fiction book!! The author himself basically said it's no based on reality.

Being it realy obvious that no one can predict the future, just like we can't change the past.

This story should be in the book review bit NOT the politics section of the news paper!!

For one thing no country has ever regarded voting or fighting for independence. We would be the first country in the world to regret such a thing, if we did.

No one can predict how an independent Scotland would have coped (or done) with anything that has happen within the past 302 years because, we weren't independent. Though I'm pretty sure that we would have coped just fine.
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Jo'Burg Jock,

South Africa 10/05/2009 19:59:01
Liberal for life,Dunblane 10/05/2009 19:14:52

"#70 & 79 - OK enough is enough even for a tolerant liberal like me."

You don't sound very tolerant.

"The problem with nasty people like you is..."

Again You don't sound very tolerant.

"Not only are we a part of the most democratic union that has prevailed"

Is the House of Lords part of this "democratic union"? If you claim it is, then I suggest you refer to the meaning of democracy by buying yourself a decent dictionary.

"People like you are (a) disgrace to civilisation, repeat civilisation."

No! your claim to be a "liberal democrat" is an affront to all who understand the meaning of the word -democracy.

"Darwin only works when animals behave in a manner that embraces change"

I fail to understand what relevance, evolutionary theory has to do with Liberal Democrats. Perhaps it has something to do with the timescale involved in change.

"People like you are both racist and ultimately facist"

I cannot determine how anything I have stated is either racist or facist (I think you meant fascist)

Why Don't you chill out? lie down, it's time for a rest.

Everything will be better in the morning.
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European Scot,

10/05/2009 20:05:08
86 Liberal for life

"Not only are we a part of the most democratic union that has prevailed now for centuries but more recently we became part of a democratically elected European wide union that is now embracing those countries previously disenfranchised "

Dealing with the latter part of your comment first :-

" ... a democratically elected European wide union that is now embracing those countries previously disenfranchised ... "
That is the one of the most important differences between the Union you love to promote, the UK, and the European Union.

It is countries that make up the EU, not regions.
Scotland in the UK, is a just a voiceless region.
Scotland in the EU, would be a country and a nation, and with a voice and votes.

So dealing with the first part, just what is the point of having a Union within a Union, when in the process Scotland is prevented from having international recognition as a country and a nation.
That recognition is something which will automatically happen when Scotland moves directly into the EU independently, and is no longer stuck in the 'UK'.
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Liberal for life,

Dunblane 10/05/2009 20:37:06
#89 & 90 - No, no, you aint getting off that lightly.

You really can't grasp the fact that people like you who have a minimal understanding of GOOD RELATIONS.
Why can't you understand the English, Blacks, Asians etc are allowed a voice in our civilised society of today is due to genuine liberal tolerance of DIFFERENCE. The very fact you now live in a genuine elected democracy is down to people like me and my forefathers before me.

Progress is made by embracing and appreciating difference without feelings of inadequacy that you exhibit every time you comment. We have remained a nation having our own cultural identity still after 300 plus years of union here in the UK along with the Welsh and Northern Irish within a United Kingdom due to the great liberals who created the democratic changes we benefit from today.

It certainly wasn't the Tory or the nationalist socialists who gave us this peaceful union. Their narrow mindedness, just like yours today, would have us at one another throats - for what reason nobody really understands except to satisfy their own selfish idealogies.

So don't try and preach tolerance to me, you really don't understand the meaning of the word.

Go back to your caves and prepare for oblivion.

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Jo'Burg Jock,

South Africa 10/05/2009 20:42:09
danielrober,10/05/2009 20:33:08

"Maybe you should read more, to understand the debate"

I wish I could understand you.
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Fitba Krazy,

10/05/2009 20:52:23
Why do these people - Peck & Bosh get a free plug anyway?

Is it the in thing these days?

Worse than a load of Ballacks if you ask me.

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Jo'Burg Jock,

South Africa 10/05/2009 20:54:57
Liberal for life,Dunblane 10/05/2009 20:37:06

"Why can't you understand the English, Blacks, Asians etc are allowed a voice"

For someone who accused me of being racist, that is the most patronising, racist comment I have read for a long time.

Next you will be saying that your lot allowed us Jocks the franchise through your benevolence.

"So don't try and preach tolerance to me, you really don't understand the meaning of the word."

There's a lot of words you don't understand and "Democracy" is one of those words.

"Go back to your caves and prepare for oblivion"

Careful! your slip is showing.
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European Scot,

10/05/2009 21:32:18
92 Liberal for life

You seem to be confusing support for the independence of Scotland with some kind of racial thing.
Does that apply to every other country that's had the audacity to gain its independence ?

You have tried to answer two different posts, combining parts from one with bits from another, and then coming to conclusions which frankly have very little to do with the gist of either post.
The tone of your your reply shows very little sign of any of the liberal tolerance you refer to earlier in your comment.

You make accusations about being narrow minded, and having us at each others throats, yet it seems that you are the one doing all the attacking.
The outward looking vision of an independent Scotland dealing directly with countries from all over the World, politically, and in commerce, is far healthier than your inward looking parochial view of a mute, and powerless Scotland, stuck within the political confines of the 'UK'

It is surprising that your Party with the word 'Democrats' in its title doesn't see fit to democratically agree to a Referendum.
That, rather like your reply, doesn't smack of too much tolerance either.

Primitive man lived in caves, and as for oblivion, that could be where the Liberals are heading, especially if you're a typical example of their membership.
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Scotindy,

Los Angeles 10/05/2009 21:32:44
unionists WEAK WET and PATHETIC.................
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im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 10/05/2009 23:02:14
92 lib for life
its the likes of yourself ,that has caused political correction to flourish
i bet you scan all papers and news items,to see if anything is racist,sexist etc
wasnt the liberals the ones who got hanging repealed?
what was the connection between jack straw and norman scott?,liberals huh you cant tolerate free speech
if its not what you think,then its no good
you middle class wet behind the ears idiot,pathetic dummy chuckers,just because smiler wallace aint in charge with joke mcconnell,you cant stand the thought of scotland managing to do things right,you prefer nanny westminster to change your nappy
away and get a life ye unholy tumshie,or go chase the sheep,go forthand prepare to multiply with the woolie jumpers
baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh
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57vintage,

Keith 11/05/2009 08:24:43
I usually like this kind of "what if" fiction, but the statement "endorsed by the multimillion-selling author and disgraced politician Jeffrey Archer" means that I probbaly won't bother with it.
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Arfur,

11/05/2009 17:18:43
Now we are to expect some SNP bashing from some but this just takes the cookie. EHHHH?

I expect that in the sequel Salmond agrees a deal with the devil, assassinates the pope, takes the world to the brink of nuclear war (again), k*lls all the little lambs, condemns all the English to slavery and instructs the loch ness monster ravage the world.
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Dunfesterin,

12/05/2009 12:41:05
If this is fiction, why is it in the Politics section?

Should it not be in book reviews?

I'll tell you why you put it here. You want Google to cache this headline in the hope that the tagline appears in searches and scares voters into voting Labour.

Paranoid? Moi?

Maybe someone could do a FOI request and ascertain how much and what correspondence Labour have had with the Scotsman. In the interests of transparency, like
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PaulW,

Borders 12/05/2009 14:28:33
Pathetic stuff Scotsman - Wark Clements antipathy towards the SNP is obvious after the Jack McConnell free holiday situation was exposed and "dear Kirsty" lost her role in covering Scottish politics.

People need to wake up and smell the coffee and wipe the smile off these Labour cronies' faces on June 4th.
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livilion,

livingston 25/05/2009 20:20:32
Marc Horne
Keep it up pal, the perfect storm is coming for your British nationalism, Westminster credibility in tatters, the UK economy the sick man of Europe again as it was in the 60s & 70s before North Sea Oil rescued Thatcher's Moneterist adventure, and puddins like you using propaganda decades out of date to stick a finger in the dyke.

Och aye, and Scotsman circulation figures reflecting the relevance of your editorial policy to the potential readership and advertisers, the 300m strong Scottish diaspora.
(Scotsman boardroom- the mission statement gents is: let's pi$$ off as many of our potential customers as we can by sticking the boot into anything we feel is pass-remarkably Scottish)
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daveserviceman,

edinburgh 13/09/2009 21:33:46
for those who think otherwise Scotland wont be holding the commonwealth games as it will not be in the commonwealth. if it leaves the United Kingdom then it also leaves the commonwealth as you cannot have one without the other. The commonwealth games will be held in Australia in 2014

 

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