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Published Date: 31 May 2009
ALEX Salmond was last night facing a rebellion by councils which claim his government has failed to provide cash to replace Scotland's crumbling schools.
Council leaders – including nationalists – are planning to go it alone with desperately needed school rebuilding after concluding that the SNP's funding plans "lack substance" and have so far failed to deliver.

The damning assessment is contained in a confidential document, obtained by Scotland on Sunday, which reveals the mounting frustration over the failure of the key policy that was supposed to deliver new schools.

Prepared by the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities (Cosla), the paper reveals that education chiefs have effectively given up on the government and are setting up their own task force to deal with the problem.

The revolt centres on the Scottish Futures Trust (SFT), the body set up at a cost of £23 million to raise money for new infrastructure, including schools. The SFT was established as a result of Salmond's ideological objection to Public Private Partnership, the funding mechanism supported by Labour which brought private money into public projects.

But the SFT has been criticised as an expensive talking shop, which has failed to deliver any hard cash.

Scotland on Sunday has campaigned for the upgrading of schools, revealing that at least 10,000 schoolchildren are being taught in crumbling and condemned classrooms and that about 70 state schools are beyond repair.

The report was agreed by all representatives of Scotland's 32 councils whether Labour, Tory, Liberal, Independent or SNP at a meeting on Friday night that was attended by Cosla president Pat Watters. The report says the SFT "lacks substance" and was "not in any position" to fund new projects.

"The Scottish Government promised a new way of funding infrastructure… but has yet to deliver on its promises," the report said. "Scottish Futures Trust was meant to be the government's solution, but, so far, nothing has been forthcoming from that source and the (group] has for some time now been concerned and frustrated at the lack of answers from SFT… Local government needs to take control and come up with its own ideas."

The document reveals that a political task force will be set up to look at other funding options. The group would report to council leaders and would draw on the support of local government officers, academics and professionals.

The government would be invited to work with the group.

The original version of the report was even harder-hitting, urging the government to stop "hiding behind the smokescreen of SFT".

That phrase was removed at the request of Derek Mackay, the leader of the Cosla SNP group, who said the language was too contentious.

The council leaders also called for an urgent meeting with finance secretary John Swinney, who is the minister in charge of implementing the Futures Trust.

One councillor who was at the meeting said: "Our schools are falling down and people are losing thousands of jobs in the construction industry as a result of this, and the government is just burying their heads in the sand.

"SNP councillors are totally embarrassed about this. It is frustrating for everybody. We now have to get the bit between our teeth ourselves. This rebellion is happening because everyone is so frustrated."

Of Scotland's 32 councils, 14 are either led by Nationalists or have SNP politicians involved in ruling coalitions.

Labour leader Iain Gray said: "This is the final nail in the coffin for the Futures Trust and even the SNP's own councillors have turned against it. Scotland has paid a heavy price for Alex Salmond and John Swinney's dogma and incompetence.

"The Scottish building industry has warned that the SFT was a disaster and has cost Scotland 20,000 construction jobs as capital projects ground to a halt. The Edinburgh Chamber of Commerce recently warned another 15,000 jobs will go.

"Now Cosla has sent a clear message to John Swinney that it is a failure. Not one new school has been built by the SNP, and their Futures Trust has produced the sum total of zero. The SNP is running out of time and it looks as if they will be unable to bring any projects forward by the 2011 election."

The Scottish Futures Trust was meant to deliver major projects, including schools and hospitals. An indication that it was not yet up to speed came when the SFT was overlooked when it came to funding the £2 billion Forth crossing, Scotland's largest capital project.

Moira Tregaskis, chairman of the Lochaber High School parent council, has been fighting to have her local secondary school buildings upgraded.

"The SNP stood up in parliament and said they were going to attend to all school buildings and they said the money would be there for it," said Tregaskis. "I don't know where that leaves them now. I am angry that children are still being taught in classrooms that are not wind and watertight, and we are not alone in Lochaber. Some children have gone right through their secondary education without buildings that are fit for purpose."

A spokesman for Swinney said: "The construction sector is performing better in Scotland than south of the Border. For example, the latest figures for construction orders show an increase of 0.4 per cent in Scotland in the first quarter of 2009, compared to a decrease of 9.3 per cent in England. And construction employment has risen by 1 per cent in Scotland.

"The Scottish Futures Trust, which is now backed by CBI Scotland, is already supporting investment as part of the Scottish Government's £35bn infrastructure programme for schools, hospitals, roads and other projects over the next decade. The SFT has taken charge of the programme delivery for two community hub developments in the south east and the north of Scotland to provide purpose-built community services, and will be involved in the commissioning of new schools projects this year."

He added: "Infrastructure investment is at record levels, with £3.5bn this year alone on transport, schools and hospitals, which is supporting 52,000 jobs in the economy and helping the construction sector.

"There are a number of projects under way that will continue to support jobs well beyond this year, including NHS Forth Valley's new acute hospital, M74 completion, the M80 Stepps to Haggs, the Airdrie to Bathgate Rail Link and Ravenscraig Sports Complex.

"There is also a whole host of major schemes in the pipeline including the Forth replacement crossing. The UK Labour government's proposals to cut Scottish spending by £500m next year makes the role of SFT even more important in maximising value and impact from our capital spending budget."


The full article contains 1115 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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The Online Scot,

Scotland 31/05/2009 00:02:18
If the story fails to make an impact the first time, let's print it again ..... and again .... and again ad infinitum.

Scotland's crumbling schools, says the article.

Any idea who presided over Scotland for fifty years before the SNP came to power?

Any idea who has lumbered the taxpayer with crippling PFI contracts signed off by labour?

"Labour leader Iain Gray said: "This is the final nail in the coffin for the Futures Trust .... "

An idiotic statement from Gray, is he proposing that we go down the disastrous PFI route that has fallen apart in England to the extent that the Treasury has stepped in with £ billions to prop up projects that have collapsed?

What is it with this paper, they persistantly print stories that are as genuine as a Labour expense claim.
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Iainbroch,

31/05/2009 00:12:55
Snzzzzz Talk about stuck records!

Print any old Labour Party press release again and again and again.
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31/05/2009 00:16:49
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ubinworryinmasheep,

Aberdeen 31/05/2009 00:20:02
When are the press going to report on the cost of PFI to our future generations. They are quick to slag off the SNP's idea for alternative funding but dead in the water regarding the con that has kept Gordon looking super efficient. Any party that endorses PFI should be avoided.
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hoblar,

31/05/2009 00:20:18
So the schools are still "crumbling " eh?

Is this the same labour spin that reckons that "6,000 new houses" built by the SNP Scottish government in TWO years is not as good as the "6" built in EIGHT years of the Labour?libdem coalition Scottish Government?

Ian gray notably failed to mention Labour's infamous favoured funding mechanism, (due to go on the books fpor the first time as the enormous PUBLIC DEBT it is), on top of the unprecedented public debt borrowing we have seen during the "Downturn".

Just wait until the Scottish public find out about PFI debt, and, judging by the lack of articles in the Scottish press about PFI coming onto the debt books though the British Treasury have opposed revealing and publishing the PFI accounts for 11 years, thereby ensuring they weren't counted as the enormous and financially impractical debt burden PFI is!

(Downturn=nicespeak for the fact that New Labour and Gordon brown are presiding over an economic disaster)
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Fifi la Bonbon,

31/05/2009 00:24:32
I think it's a pity that the headline describes COSLA's move, borne out of frustration at the nationalist party-led Scottish Government to deliver anything through their much-vaunted Scottish Futurist Trust, as a "rebellion".

Scottish councils owe no loyalty to the nationalist-led monority government and it isn't a "rebellion", it's just facing facts.

COSLA, which represents councils all over Scotland run by administrations including ones led by the nationalist party, is clearly sick and tired of the paralysis resulting from the failure of the nationalists in Holyrood.

"The SNP stood up in parliament and said they were going to attend to all school buildings and they said the money would be there for it." They haven't done so. Two years have passed and twenty thousand construction jobs have gone because of the nationalists' failure.

The nationalists in Holyrood need to show some humility now, and take a back step to let COSLA begin to develop something that will work. Since fourteen out of thirty two Scottish councils have nationalist councilors involved, that ought not to be politically impossible.

Did you read what I just wrote? I am asking that Mister Salmond show some humility. Too much to ask, I suspect!
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Fifi la Bonbon,

31/05/2009 00:26:12
#4 - you can't criticise the story so you abuse the reporter.
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Edward,

31/05/2009 00:28:34
Schools still crumbling!
Well why didnt Labour attend to the crumbling schools when they were in power, or have they just started crumbling since 2007?
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ubinworryinmasheep,

Aberdeen 31/05/2009 00:28:34
#7 You have more chance of the SNP admitting when they have got it wrong than any other party as can be seen by PFI which will be out for all to see soon ! You wont see any party Lab,Tory,Lib Dems admitting what a rip off it is.
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Edward,

31/05/2009 00:30:52
This is just another attack on the SNP , by Labour
in trying to divert atention from the facty that Labour is all washed up, they are completely dead in the water!
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ubinworryinmasheep,

Aberdeen 31/05/2009 00:31:05
Further to my 10 ... the expenses scandal has nothing on the public money wasted on PFI and various IT projects mismanaged by buffoons at public expense, but of course nobody will tell the public ... mmmm wonder if the Telegraph is eyeing up that one !!!
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The Strategist,

31/05/2009 00:32:47
I've never understood this Labour passion about building new schools. Surely you can't just keep on building new schools purely for the sake of building something to keep construction companies busy.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 31/05/2009 00:37:44

More is the Importance of stupidities, of preventing an 24year old purchasing wine!

More is the Importance of stupidities, to hide the cigarette's, 'under-the-counter'!

But when it comes to the real Importance's of our Children, one could not care less!

It all speaks,...'Scottish Mountains'!

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ubinworryinmasheep,

Getorfmyland 31/05/2009 00:42:26
Charles .. you go into any Asda and you look young you will be asked for ID anyway so whats the problem with that. My wife was nearly refused and she is 31 !!! Besides if Labour and probably the Tories have their way Id cards will be compulsary soon anyway ..not that i,m complaining. As for fags ..just ban smoking and be done with it ... its only giving mr taxman lots of money and creating a lot of unhealthy stinky people ;O)}
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gus1940,

Edinburgh 31/05/2009 00:42:46
The JP Labour propoganda rags are getting increasingly desperate in the run up to thursday's elections.
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boudica,

Glasgow 31/05/2009 00:43:25
Excuse me but Labour have built plenty of new houses over the Last 30 yrs ..In Glasgow we have seen big changes to most of the Housing Estates around Glasgow ..so were do you get the stupid numbers you claim it is now the turn of the East End to get upgraded ...as for this part of the SNP Spokepersons >>"There is also a whole host of major schemes in the pipeline including the Forth replacement crossing." is this Pipeline ..Russian ??? Maybe Wee Eck should follow Glasgows Lead ... and also note many of the Councils who are complaining include SNP run Councils ..£23 mil talking shops ..how many Houses could that have built ..£23 mil for a load of Wind ..Who needs Wind farms the SFT could generate a fair amount of Energy..but would it be Green or Just foul
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Iainbroch,

31/05/2009 00:46:22
re13

I think in America it is what they called graft! Post election payoffs to companies that were essentially fronts for the mafia! If you get my drift!

Lets ignore the facts of life that books need to be balanced - something that Lieboar consistently fails at but so what for balancing books when someone needs to be paid for services provided to the Labour Party!

The corrupt nature of PFI/PPP has been rumbled and a lot of trough swilling chancers are squeeling for all that they are worth.
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boudica,

Glasgow 31/05/2009 00:54:40
All the cash Grabbing Parties are washed up including your own and david cameron can Flap his gums and promise the Moon and that criminal proceeding will follow ..he is still playing the PR game he still supported kirkbride till the last ..what the SNP fail to realise is that they are not immune to this ..you can try and Ignore it and play down the Cash Grabbers within the SNP even when your leader is the Best Paid Skivver in the UK and who continues bleating " we followed the rules " but unlike the rest of us we are facing the truth and making sure our voices are heard .. we are for change across the board ..but you are not ....So please stop kidding yourselfs
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boudica,

Glasgow 31/05/2009 00:56:27
How many SNP politician s employ Family Members
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Brianwci,

31/05/2009 00:56:57
I'm glad we're getting this unionist tactic now when it's only the Euro Elections and London Labour is in such a poor state of health.

It should warn us of what we can expect leading up to the General, the Referendum and Holyrood.

The SNP really must have a rapid response team similar to the USA Democrats. All this rubbish about the so called prisoners 'on the run' and now SFT have to be stopped in their tracks as and when they arise.

We failed to nail the local issues in Glenrothes and it was a major contributor to losing the by-election.

A dedicated team built around someone like Traquir whose sole job would be to collate facts highlighting unionist failings and explaining SNP/Independence Movement policies and arguments.

It would be ready to respond to this sort of nonsense the second it appeared, with statements online and in Evening Papers the same day and furnishing Ministers with firm rebuttals for Radio and TV news bulletins and interviews that night and the press next day.

By nailing each unionist ploy as it appeared it would kill any unionist momentum before it had time to build up.

The SNP has a very professional organisation but the lack of a rapid response team is a definite chink in its armour.
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Fifi la Bonbon,

31/05/2009 00:57:42
#3 - you seem to know the jargon - how many new schools have been started since May 2007 in Scotland? Hundreds? Tens? Units? I don't mean schools started before then and proudly opened by nationalist councillors and ministers claiming credit!
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31/05/2009 00:59:24
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 31/05/2009 00:59:50
13, The Strategist.

Think "planning committees".

In Irvine, 2008, they wanted to close one of 3 primary schools, within a 1 mile radius. One of those had an establish special needs unit (hearing impaired) and had the best overall facilities.

What was the decision? Close the school mentioned above. This left all the children travelling to one end of the area instead of an adequate school at either end of the area. It also entailed the establishment of a brand new special unit, or the dispersal of the children throughout Ayrshire, and perhaps beyond.

Fortunately, the new Council - non NuLabour, saw the error in this and dropped the proposal.

What was the reasoning? The first school mentioned had the biggest campus aned could be sold, easily, to private developers.

As I said, Strategist, with NuLabour, follow the planning.
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31/05/2009 01:00:04
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ubinworryinmasheep,

Getorfmyland 31/05/2009 01:03:37
#19 "we are all for change across the board" ..who are you kidding .. you people just vote for the same people all the time regardless of policies . Look at England the poor things are stuck with Labour and the Tories knocking a ball back an fore every 8 or 12 years ... only problem now is there is not much difference between the two. The only winners will be the BNP who seem to be getting more popular .. but luckily not up here.
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hoblar,

31/05/2009 01:04:50
PFI is merely a kak credit card scheme more like.

Labour are due to explain how much debt Scotland is in due to PFI built schools and hospitals, albeit kicking and screaming under the Freedom of Information Act.

The monies involved in PFI funded services, (multi £Billions) has been kept off the books for 10 years by Labour.

I agree that the SNP are too fair when they respond to the nonsensical rubbish that they are accused of by an ineffective and sniping opposition, perhaps this is because they consider governing Scotland to be more important than the hannibal lector-like quid pro quo of sniping british politics?





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frank mcbride,

lusitania 31/05/2009 01:08:47
#19, Boudica.

Why don't you realise that your Party will, if they're lucky achieve 1-2% of the vote in Scotland?

Your Party's policy is anathema to all right-thinking people.

Begone!
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hoblar,

31/05/2009 01:15:45
I'm glad we're getting this unionist tactic now when it's only the Euro Elections and London Labour is in such a poor state of health.

It should warn us of what we can expect leading up to the General, the Referendum and Holyrood.

The SNP really must have a rapid response team similar to the USA Democrats. All this rubbish about the so called prisoners 'on the run' and now SFT have to be stopped in their tracks as and when they arise.

We failed to nail the local issues in Glenrothes and it was a major contributor to losing the by-election.

A dedicated team built around someone like Traquir whose sole job would be to collate facts highlighting unionist failings and explaining SNP/Independence Movement policies and arguments.

It would be ready to respond to this sort of nonsense the second it appeared, with statements online and in Evening Papers the same day and furnishing Ministers with firm rebuttals for Radio and TV news bulletins and interviews that night and the press next day.

By nailing each unionist ploy as it appeared it would kill any unionist momentum before it had time to build up.

The SNP has a very professional organisation but the lack of a rapid response team is a definite chink in its armour."

Well said.

I would rarely say that there is a comment I wish I had posted, but the political insight stated via the above comment is great advice and very very true.

You can still respond fairly as a responsible government as this Scottish Government does very consistently, but still ensure that a spade isn't called a shovel by the labour supporting media.

like I said earlier, the fact that the number of escapees has been drastically reduced is ignored in these repetitive articles, and yet this is the main criteria for negative comments to be viable.
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boudica,

Glasgow 31/05/2009 01:16:23
The UK Public are well aware of the PFI and what it costs and now we are aware of what SFT Talking Shop as has cost ..Your point Being ????
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 31/05/2009 01:29:32
#31, Boudice.

What HAS the SFT cost us?

Now please, dear, don't be silly enough to quote the figure mentioned; it's wrong (that's a clue, BTW).
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Iainbroch,

31/05/2009 01:35:47
re33

I dont mean to let her off the hook

I doubt if even "Hindenburg Broon" knows the actual cost of the repayments! Well several PFI/PPP schemes have hit the skids as far as repayments go and are now in the Toxic Debt category!
Well okay the UK PLC economy is one huge Toxic Debt so the cost of the repayments are actually escalating as the cost of paying back the debts has increased.
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ubinworryinmasheep,

Getorfmyland 31/05/2009 01:36:33
#31 Once the Scottish public grasp what nonsense the other 3 partys speak when critisizing the SFT because of the true cost of PFI Labour et all will look like they love throwing public money away. Look at the public disgust about expenses ... PFI is a whole lot worse. I hope the SNP uses this info when its available to show what numpties the opposition are.
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Iainbroch,

31/05/2009 01:56:20
re37

Lieboar is still missing the point as usual. It is the culture of greed that has got us into this mess. So what do they propose? - Well more of the same via PFI and PPP - Another Brilliant plan from Hindenburg Broon and the China Syndrome Party.

Lieboars idea is not just to line thier own MPs pockets on Tax Payers money it is also to feed Corporate greed as well. So they lock in your childrens money and your grandchildrens money as well.

They are so devoid of any morality that the idea of using Tax Payers money for not for profut purposes does not occur to them but hey so has any notion of thier MPs being public servants gone into the same void!
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Alex Salmond's Briefcase Carrier,

@looking through paperwork 31/05/2009 02:27:40
The government currently spends £600m on annual charges for PPP/PFI schemes, against an overall record capital budget of £3.5bn.

Don't truly know if this answer the question...];-)}
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Cabbie,

31/05/2009 02:49:18
have all these schools just started to crumble all of a sudden? If Labour hadn't forced the trams through in Edinburgh, that could have been £5M spent on schools instead of trams.

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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 31/05/2009 02:55:09

As reported in the sister paper EEN,

"MORE than £8 million needs to be spent on Edinburgh's "disgusting" school toilets to bring them up to scratch, a new report reveals today.

A survey carried out by council officials has found that £3m is needed immediately to upgrade 20 "priority one" school loos, while a further £5.4m will have to be found for the rest."

But Mr Salmond thinks that hiding cigarettes takes priority!

Good-One!, Perfect Sense!, I must Say!




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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 31/05/2009 03:07:31

If you do not belong to Scotland, What does this Say, about the SNP?

Scottish Government!, at the Scottish Parliament Buildings!, at Holyrood!, a 15 minute walk from Tollcross School, to-which, the Pupils were too scared to use their toilets, because the toilets, were in a disgusting state of repair!

I Know what I would Think!

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Observer,,

Glasgow 31/05/2009 03:13:08
44 Sorry ''build houses'' should read ''build schools'' - although the principle is exactly the same. It's capital investment and how you go about it. Trying to blackmail Scotland into using PFI when England has rejected it (and the Treasury is funding alternatives) is unacceptable.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 31/05/2009 03:19:47

But Let Us, (The SNP) concentrate on stopping a 24year old, who can fight a war for us, have Children, and a good Job, and a mortgage, not be able to purchase a glass-of-wine, to celebrate the birth of their Child!
Never mind our Schoolchildren!, who are too scared to use their School Toilets, because of the disgusting state of needed repair they are in!,

Yes! Quite Frankly! It all makes sense,....'NOT'!!

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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 31/05/2009 03:27:07

And! According to our SNP, if a 3year-old sees a packet of fags, on the counter, it will make the Child want to be a 'Smoker', when Older!

Soo We All Smoke!, Do We Not!?

But YES! This Too is a more Important Issue, than our Schools!

It is Like Being in,...'Muppet-Land'!

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31/05/2009 03:27:26
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31/05/2009 03:31:23
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 31/05/2009 03:36:33

#48 ubinworryinmasheep,

The Issue would not be an Issue, as this News Report, woud not have been reported, my comments relate to the Issue on Hand!

("ALEX Salmond was last night facing a rebellion by councils which claim his government has failed to provide cash to replace Scotland's crumbling schools.")



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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 31/05/2009 03:40:21

49 ubinworryinmasheep,

I realise that facing the truth is difficult!,

#43,

"If you do not belong to Scotland, What does this Say, about the SNP?

Scottish Government!, at the Scottish Parliament Buildings!, at Holyrood!, a 15 minute walk from Tollcross School, to-which, the Pupils were too scared to use their toilets, because the toilets, were in a disgusting state of repair!

I Know what I would Think!"




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ubinworryinmasheep,

Nae in ma bed ! 31/05/2009 03:47:59
haha the truth .. Labour canna even spell the word. Its Gordon B thats cutting the funding to Scotland to prop up the Olympics which will have no benefit to Scotland whatsoever or have you forgotten that this little project is not included in the Barnett formula.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 31/05/2009 03:52:02

re: slight correction for perfection,

#43,
"If you do not belong to Scotland, What does this Say, about the SNP?

Scottish Government!, at the Scottish Parliament Buildings!, at Holyrood!, a 15 minute walk from Tollcross School, to-*where*, the Pupils were too scared to use their toilets, because the toilets, were in a disgusting state of repair!

I Know what I would Think!"
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ubinworryinmasheep,

31/05/2009 03:53:21
#49 "I realize faceing the truth is difficult" what as opposed to putting out nonsense when in fact the Justice Minister has actually performed better than the last admin ie "Mr MacAskill yesterday refused to bow to continuing pressure for him to resign. Labour printed thousands of “get out of jail” cards, which will be given to voters before next week’s European elections. A party spokesman said: “The SNP slogan in the European election is ‘We’ve got what it takes’, but they clearly don’t have what it takes to keep our streets safe in Scotland.” . The guy that escaped wasnt even dangerous and handed himself in..hardly making the streets unsafe eh.
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ubinworryinmasheep,

getting flossie ready for bed 31/05/2009 03:54:44
i prefer 'which' it makes you sound posh.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 31/05/2009 04:00:15

Scottish Parliament!, Take it on Board, To Take our Scottish Interests Seriously, and one to-which they were voted to do!
Soo!, why the Schools Issue!?
Is this too much of a scary realisation to deal with?


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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 31/05/2009 04:06:11

ubinworryinmasheep,
It is well past my 'bed-time',I am off!
It has been enjoyable speaking to you, as you seem as I do, have a sense of humour, I don't Know about your wife though, calling me names! :))
C ya L8R,
nite-nite.

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ubinworryinmasheep,

Hereshep Rd 31/05/2009 04:08:34
Charles (Derek) the schools should not have been left to get in such a state in the first place. I wouldnt think much of my kids going to a school that let the place get like that. Councils are quick to criticize but having read stories of what some councils spend our money on it wouldnt surprise me. Fact ... quite a lot of councillors (not from Edinburgh that i know off) have been or are waiting to go to jail !!
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ubinworryinmasheep,

Shootingramblersdog Walk 31/05/2009 04:10:02
Aw ok gnite. nearly put a x there then remembered i wasnt texting my wife lol
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 31/05/2009 04:16:23

#58 ubinworryinmasheep,

You have a point!, Monies spent on Private Traffic Wardens, patrolling our Streets 24/7, and our ever trusted 'Litter Wardens', who hang about our Schools waiting to 'Strike'!, on our messy School pupils!

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donald,

glasgow 31/05/2009 06:13:30
The fifth columnists in Scotland will be bumped come the next local elections .
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Letters From Muscat,

edinburgh 31/05/2009 06:44:05
Yes, the trams project has al lot to answer £ 600 million to dig up Princes street, and leave it in a huge mess, then no money for new schools? now was that idea not the Labour Party and the rest ?
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 31/05/2009 08:28:43
#67 Rules

There's not a lot the SNP can do, though they don't have the courage or honesty to admit it. There was no money for ne schools under Labour, Broon just put them on tick. There's no money now for the SNP and not likely to be for a long, long time. What those SNP muppets on here forget is that when their day of Nirvanah arrives and we leave the UK, we'll be off with a 10% share of Broon's amassed debt. That's at least £100,000,000,000. All for little old Scotland. We'll need a government with a lot of honesty and a lot of new ideas to deal with that.
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thinking,

Scotland 31/05/2009 08:31:49
#3 'Yes, the number of schools in Condition C (poor) & D (bad) in 2008 was more than 800, covering around 200,000 young people, that is testament to the depth of damage inflicted by the Tories but whcih is now being rectified.'

Are you stuck in a time warp? The Tories have been out of power for 12 years so how are they to blame?
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

RRT Bunker 31/05/2009 08:40:59
#65 Doctor Death

"What about Nicola Sturgeon at the cup final yesterday?"


"I wonder if she claimed her ticket on expenses."

>>>She had two tickets, both were donations. one from the SFA as she was presenting the Cup on their behalf and one from RFC as she is MSP for Govan (this ticket was donated to the Swine Flu Victims Relief Fund.
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"She must get her eyebrows done at the same salon as Salmond."

>>>For fear of overburdening the Public Purse...Ms Sturgeon does not "get her eyebrows done" anywhere.
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"I certainly miss her giving individual swine flu updates every night. Hwer face was tripping her, I guess she must miss it too."

>>>Nurse Sturgeon takes her duties as Health Minister very seriously and is deeply concerned for the welbeing of all of her Patients.
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RRT 31/05/2009 08:41:06
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TWC,

exLabour 31/05/2009 08:41:56
So the Daily Nat atttack continues.

we all know that all Scotlands Schools, Hospitals etc were all perfect until 2 years ago when Labour got tronced then instantaneously they all fell apart.

This newspaper is turning into the Labour Rag.
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The Tin Man,

31/05/2009 08:51:21
Oh well, a Scotty exec with a record block grant has at least given free prescriptions for the rich, and paid the tuition fees of students with wealthy parents. Free bridges. And they decided not to invade Gaza. And give £23 million to Sir Gusset so he could set up some unaccountable company called SFT Ltd with some of his banker mates.

Here's there business case:

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Resource/Doc/223438/0060176.pdf

It is quite an amusing document, but it is a shame it cost us so much.
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All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 31/05/2009 09:04:21
The nats would rather have no schools than a school they disagree with the funding for.
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mr broon,

Edinburgh 31/05/2009 09:12:14
This convuluted dogs breakfast of an article isn't worthy of any comment?
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Marian,

31/05/2009 09:28:56
There is nothing more certain than the the fact that voting New Labour at the European Elections and the forthcoming UK General Election will be totally irrelevant as it will have no effect on the impending certain election of a massive number of Tory MP's to Westminster by a middle England which wants to recover its right to govern the UK.

If Scotland votes New Labour it will once again send down a bunch of New Labour's numpties who have no real interest on what happens in Scotland but are more concerned with what expenses and perks they can hold onto.

It is time that Scotland woke up and realised for the past 50 years Scotland has voted like sheep for New Labour yet got nothing in return.

History shows that Scotland's Labour MP's were especially impotent when Thatcher was in power and imposed the Poll Tax, decimated industries, etc.

In light of New Labours imminent political demise in the UK as a whole and the inevitable election of a very strong and commanding Tory government, Scotland must have a strong and patriotic voice in Westminster and the only way she will get this is with the election of more SNP MP's into Westminster.

Scotland electing 4 or 5 SNP MEP's and 20 or more SNP MP's does not automatically mean Scotland's independence but what it will do is send a clear message to David Cameron if he treats Scotland with contempt, that it will not take a great deal more to break his UK union in half.

New Labour in opposition wouldn't send such an ultimatum to Cameron and to be honest they would just be an embarrassment to Scotland.
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Queen D,

31/05/2009 09:30:26
From Guido this morning,
Multi-millionaire Labour backbencher Mohammed Sarwar claimed £100,000 to cover mortgage interest that he paid from an account with a Swiss bank. Tax needn’t be taxing…
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 31/05/2009 09:33:20
Predictable NorthBrit guff. Muderers on the run, poppy wreaths and now crumbling schools. The newsroom is in full Pravda mode this last few days whilst The Great Leader is throwing up in his bunker .. so keep providing cover stories until he re-emerges with that freaky grin of his. Anyway..."crumbling schools" ? ... anyone visiting Scotland from Planet Sensible would easily identify the solution. Give Scotland full fiscal autonomy, controlling oil revenues, and we will fix and build all the schools we want.

But no. We have to hold out the begging bowl and spread the money paper thin over all our social and educational needs. That wonderful union dividend again.
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Queen D,

31/05/2009 09:33:40
A Government in position for only two years can hardly be blamed for the crumbling schools.
I would be quite happy to wait for alternative funding which gives the taxpapyers of Scotland best value and NOT a huge debt for the next 40 years.
Presumably Labour sees enormous debt as acceptable judging by the mess the UKs finances are in??
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Ewan Randall,

31/05/2009 09:40:00
(#73) – (dundedin bully wee) – Are you saying that the Scottish government should be investing in the building of Schools in the style of our Victorian forefathers 140 years ago?

What do you believe is the reasoning behind the change in design in Schools since that time?

Do you believe the design in schools went backwards after the Victorian era?

Do you think that children being scared of using toilets at school is an issue which health and safety should look into when considering whether the school should remain open?
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TWC,

exLabour 31/05/2009 09:44:34
80 Rab The Ranter

Most of us just don't like Labour and apparently most of the UK feel the same. This newspaper appears to just print whatever Labour want to talk about.
E.G no mention od Devine or Darling and these are the real story today.

Labour are now in 3rd place and dropping and it is because newspapers are not doing their jobs, it is not doing the Labour party any good in the long term.
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The Tin Man,

31/05/2009 09:44:40
#79 Queen

"A Government in position for only two years can hardly be blamed for the crumbling schools"

No, but they can be blamed for not replacing crumbling schools.

Scot exec with record amount of money + Scot exec not replacing crumbling schools = schools continue to crumble.

If we have an exec full of geniuses who have had 12 years to come upo with an alternative funding mechanism, why, exactly, are we still waiting for it?
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The Strategist,

31/05/2009 09:55:45
#25 Frank McBride

Interestingly the same thing happened in Aberdeenshire!

However, what's worrying us now is the ACSEF (Aberdeen City and Shire Economic Future) forum which is populated by unelected usual suspects. They've recently started to look at how to speed up the planning process and two of the members of the committee are housebuilders!!!!
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Tris,

31/05/2009 10:06:05
I don't know why you don't just print a story that says that Scots are pretty poor people, second rate and pathetic. And that if we didn't have the English Labour Party to keep it all together for us we'd probably be living at the standard of Mauritania.

Of course, it could be that it's tho0ught to be a good distraction from the fact that Vince Cable is calling for Alistair Darling to be sacked over his house flipping and tax "advice" (taken by him and paid for by us, we are informend, so that he paid the correct, ie maximum, amount of tax. Yeah right!)

Tin Man. Did you notice that there was a financial crisis going on? And it doesn't matter how you fund schools, there still has to be MONEY....
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 31/05/2009 10:38:11
I'm sure that many have already read this story this morning... "Scottish Labour MP's electrician abducted by aliens."

http://tinyurl.com/Devine-alien-abduction

If you haven't... then pour yourself a coffee, let the sun flood in the windows, read the story ... and LAUGH !
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redcliffe62,

31/05/2009 10:39:11
i doubt what the snp have done in the last 2 years will make a lot of difference regarding schools. it takes longer than that to arrest a slide in education.
if they have stopped it going further downhill that is a win.
pfi needs to be explained in ways people in the street can understand. calling it a credit card of never ending debt which kicks in after a free interest period seems simplistic but seems to be near the mark.
we do need to know who the scottish troughhers are, of all parties, and focus on that. if darling and devine are being investigated by the police as long a sothers, not just from labour i add, we should be told.
too much is hidden; rather like the debt that pfi has caused.
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redcliffe62,

31/05/2009 10:43:20
watched cyclops on andrew marr; failed to answer questions as usual, and looked more like a guest for jerry springer than andrew marr the way he was carrying on.
kept on saying to wait and see; instead of here is what i am going to do, with i would hope agreed approval from all parties in the parliament as we are all in the doggy doo with corrupyt members. i hope he will announce his next attempt to save the world on you tube again, it was so funny last time.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 31/05/2009 10:46:44

http://www.unison.org.uk/acrobat/atwhatcostoct07.pdf

Facts and figures about PFI.

To continue using this utterly discredited method of financing would be criminal.

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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

31/05/2009 11:40:18
#89 Vivas

Certainly puts toblerones, cushions and corkscrews into perspective.
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im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 31/05/2009 11:54:01
labour have made more people into racists than any other,take glasgow,incomers were given flats with new fridges cookers etc when a native of glasgow gets a council flat,they throw the keys at them,and tell them get on with it
labour caused PC generation,what with oily blair,a scotsman who thought he was english,broon the fifer,whos a disgrace to the good people of fife,stabs them in the back,but will crawl up them for the vote ,to keep him in the job even of mp,cant let the pm or soon to be ex pm starve can we
take someone who has had to struggle all their lives,get them elected,hand over a huge wage,and suddenly they think their middle class,and sod the scruffs who voted
they are elected to serve us the voters,not to help themselves like a buch of hungry leeches
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im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 31/05/2009 12:09:02
for fifty years labour has controlled the lives of scots,now that scots are rejecting them ,they will pull every dirty trick out ,to smear the opposition be they snp tory or lib dem
they want their ball back,and how dare scruffs take their cushhy jobs and consign them to normal work
boot out greedy lazy and corrupt of any party,just vote non party candicates,but no doubt labour will flood voters with so called non party candicates
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Blue Tooner,

Hame 31/05/2009 12:12:14
When are the SNP going to take responsibility for something? When are they going to do something they promised they would do? I voted for these folk and feel badly let down. Sick of hearing all the excuses. Doesn't seem five minutes since the whole of Scotland were dancing in the streets in celebration of the Great Labour Landslide. Playing golf with Sean and singing in a pub with Sandi, not to mention the Uriah Heep stuff with the world's mega rich. It's a joke!
PS D'you think that Getty bloke looks a bit like Alec Salmond?
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 31/05/2009 12:22:21
Go and have a lie down your Lardship. Have a wee dram. Or maybe your usual quardruple.
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Media at One,

31/05/2009 12:46:04
I think Salmond should resign, seriously he cannot go on.
The SNP members need to sit down with Alex and lay the cards on the table. The party must come first because the party represents the people and Salmond isnt the right leader to guide the nation or parliament.
He needs to go, he is destroying Scotland's image and turning the place into an international laughing stock.
School's are in a hell of a state and the kids are in an even worse state. No more police as promised, but hey, prisoners are doing well and enjoying life, some are even getting out early so Salmond is pleasing some of the electorate.
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Ewan Randall,

31/05/2009 12:51:22
(#88) – (dundedin bully wee) – Am I right then thinking that PFI would be the last method of funding you would choose?

If then no other methods of funding avail themselves, then wouldn’t we be left with this method of funding as the last method?

If we put the wrongs and rights of funding methods aside for a minute and ask, if you had to make the choice between having projects as community assets and a good education in well maintained facilities which would you choose as priority?

Do you not consider that education in itself could be classed as a community asset?

In hind sight, do you believe our Scottish government should have commenced in these school improvements first and put off the tram project for a later date?

Under what conditions do you believe the Scottish government could change its mind on PFI?

If you had to choose one project which PFI might be used on which the Scottish government is having difficulty funding which would you use it on?

Did you choose the project which you believe will benefit the Scottish people the most or did you choose the project which would be the cheaper?

Do you not think that sometimes concepts and decisions have a way of being overtaken by circumstance?
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Fifi la Bonbon,

31/05/2009 12:57:48
#32 - I asked you "how many new schools have been started since May 2007 in Scotland?" You seemed to think it was more than the feckall that COSLA was suggesting.

You replied, in a patronising tone that does you no credit, "Where do I start to explain the process to you. Try reading this first http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Resource/Doc/919/0081084.xls"

Now with the quick wits that I am blessed with, I have spotted that this was a link to a Microsoft Excel spreadsheet, opened with a programme I do not have on my computer and which I am not prepared to install to gratify some cybernat who is probably stuck in the basement of a nationalist party office. I don't know what the document you linked to says or whether it answers my question. It could be a table setting out Angus Macneill's toblerone consumption for all I know. So would you care to tell us in plain English how many new schools have been started since May 2007 in Scotland?

I suppose the other question is how many new schools the Scottish Futurist Trust is ever going to fund. It's been two years and £23m so far. Still, at least we're getting beavers!
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Don Roberto,

31/05/2009 13:08:13
Aww diddums, one of the poor ickle Labour supporters decided to report my post to the big moderator.

Don't worry sweetypie, the nightmare is almost over, after New New Labour are spectacularly humped in the Euro elections and Brown is stabbed in the back by Johnson and Blears you can go back to being a minority fringe party.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 31/05/2009 13:08:50
102 Please follow the link I provided @ 92. It is a report from UNISON about the vast sums wasted on PFI. One of the report's authors is Dave Watson, who also doubles as a Senior Office bearer in the Labour Party.

It would be criminal to continue with this method of finance. To attempt to blackmail the Scottish Government to waste even more money in the current climate on wasteful PFI is immoral. As the report from UNISON concludes, the Scotland Act needs to be amended to give the Scottish Government borrowing powers similar to other devolved administrations across the world.

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 31/05/2009 13:09:42
#104, Fifi.

How much has the SFT cost, up till now?

A hint, please don't us the figure quoted in this article; it's wrong.

You really shouldn't regurgitate NuLabour propaganda without, first, verifying its authenticity.
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Wisnaeme,

31/05/2009 13:12:03

I have always been a great believer in living within my means and other folk living within theirs.I have never had the need of one of those dangerous creatures

...a credit card.

PFI/PPP repayments could be perceived as a credit card plus arrangement, what with the fiscal returns / rewards on their "sheds for us".

May I suggest that is the servicing and repayments for those previously completed scams that is proving a burden and deterrent to new build or refurbishment of our public infrastructure.

May I also suggest that recent administrations be they local authority or government are hamstrung by that burden of 'easy payments'.


...and may I suggest that those Labour politicos who voice outrage at our crumbling infrastructure; are the very people who have been and are directly responsible for the lack of funds to secure public procurement needs at present by that PFI/PPP burden they inflicted apon us. Flagship policy was it? A kin to blackmail and grand larceny more like and it will beggar us for decades to come.
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Fifi la Bonbon,

31/05/2009 13:15:19
How many new schools started since May 2007?
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Glasgow 31/05/2009 13:18:44
115 the alternative is prudential borrowing powers like any other devolved adminstration, as demonstrated in the report (co-authored by a leading official in the Labour Party) which I mentioned @ 92.

The costs of PFI have already burdened the Scottish tax payer with additional billions of debt, how much more debt do you think we should incurr in order that the Treasury can play cat and mouse with Holyrood ?
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Fifi la Bonbon,

31/05/2009 13:20:40
#115 - the alternative is the Scottish Futurist Trust. This revolutionary approach to public procurement would, we were told, revolutionise the funding of public projects in revolutionary ways.

The revolution has been postponed, indefinitely.
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Fifi la Bonbon,

31/05/2009 13:24:19
#118 - "zero?" But that's not the impression we were given by that nice man Mister Salmond two long years ago.

Mister Salmond gave us to understand that things would be different now. The Scottish Futurist Trust was going to be set up and everything would be better and different.

But the only thing that is different is that there aren't any new schools being built.
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Tris,

31/05/2009 13:28:10
It's real pity that the level of debate on this paper's site is so low that, apart from the odd remark of interest, which takes the argument forward and enlightens, most of the comments are stupid insults to people of opposing views.

I'm off to read something intelligent.
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im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 31/05/2009 13:30:49
once more dear nigel is hoodwinking(not alowed to say naughty word lol) joe public
http://www.edinburghsucks.com/2009/05/28/shagging-nigel-griffiths-has-snout-in-trough-for-the-second-time/
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The Tin Man,

31/05/2009 13:33:10
Wow, England even has a public body responsible for implementing school building & refurbishment. How positive and forward-looking. You never know, it might even catch on up north.

http://www.partnershipsforschools.org.uk/index.jsp

Meanwhile, we have Sir Gusset, his banker mates.
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im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 31/05/2009 13:33:43
my scotlands turning into a living form of "news of the world",if polititions of all parties cant keep it zippered,i dont care which party ,nail their delicates to the mast
http://www.edinburghsucks.com/2009/05/28/labour-snp-almost-on-shagging-terms/
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Jimmy Le Pie,

31/05/2009 13:35:05
Do none of the idiotic unionist posters on here not realise that PPP/PFI is totally discredited???

PPP/PFI schemes are having to be bailed out as we speak by the taxpayers.

Do keep up the good work as we stride forwards to independence!!


VOTE SNP


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Media at One,

31/05/2009 13:35:14
Scotland is part of Britain and Salmond will tow the line, end of story!
He better sort this nonsense out, schools are a mess, people are losing jobs, roads are a disaster, crime is on the up, school kids are getting more stupid, more people are going on the dole, prisoners are living a life of luxury, independence takes up 90% of parliament time, the country is crying out for a leader and all we get is Salmond. WELL HEAR THIS Mr Salmond, get your act together and sort it out, no more excuses, get your job done and get it done right. You are OUR SERVANT we are not yours, so get cracking on governing and stop wasting our time and our money.
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ubinworryinmasheep,

Shootinramblersdog Walk 31/05/2009 13:36:24
Jees how much anti SNP numpties is there on here. You slag of the SNP just for the sake of it. Do you really believe what you read in the newspapers !! You are all Labour sheep who are quite happy in the fields munching stale grass thats just been sprayed with slurry and i should know what a sheep looks like. Remain stuck in your ways but please move to another field when your party is slaughtered the next few years and dont just snipe cos your in the minority !!
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im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 31/05/2009 13:37:17
Lordy Lordy as old cheeseburger would have said,yes its our very own maroon balloon,thinking hes some type of bird or gorilla,he made a nest in a cloackroom of punters jackets lol
and to think clowns vote this cretin in to the scots parli roflmao
http://www.edinburghsucks.com/2009/05/27/for-foulkes-sake-lying-drunk-in-the-cloakroom/
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ubinworryinmasheep,

Getorfmyland 31/05/2009 13:38:26
130 and your fact for this "school kids are getting more stupid @ is where ...... i dont know about school kids but i see lots of stupid people on here ... ps im sure your a Derek Barker clone ;o)}
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im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 31/05/2009 13:47:53
Edinburgh is known the world over,but did you know ,that one half of edinburghs football devide,see something every tynecastle visit,that yanks deny it is real? yes im talking about UFOs
now the scottish ufo in question is none other than lardy lord haw haw foulkes how? because hes a
U-useless
F-fat
O-object
even hearts fans hate him,along with almost the entire population of scotland
http://www.edinburghsucks.com/2009/05/25/lord-for-foulkes-sake-loved-by-all/
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Jimmy Le Pie,

31/05/2009 13:49:04
#134 Rufus,

My what a clever posting oh wise one.

Maybe New Labour Sleaze will let you have a job with them!

VOTE SNP
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im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 31/05/2009 14:03:45
herr broon is making sure the voters in scotland vote for his party and if he had his way(like nigel with the tart)scotland would only vote labour
1979 and non voters ie those who couldnt be bothered,and those who taken up residency in the local cemetry all were counted as a no vote
democracy was close to death then,and will continue as long as crooks and shysters enter politics as labourites
sart a group in your area,make a great success of it,come the AGM labour will slip in their candicates and make sure a vast army of local activists vote in their puppets
years later group will merge with another local group
but books for one will vanish like the glenrothes votes in black bags
they are like spoilt brats,they live by their time honoured motto "none shall profit,unless your a labour member,stuffious scruffious voterious"
but as craigmillar showed local power can rid you of labour slime balls ie paul nolan and his family cabal
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im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 31/05/2009 14:05:59
mr Darling please dont go for a dip in the sea,as you have flipped more than flipper,you are in danger from japanese whalers,and will be eaten by japanese buisness suits
god help their stomachs
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Voldemort,

Edinburgh 31/05/2009 14:15:48
I feel a bit sorry for the SNP .. I am not a supporter but it seems like folk are expecting miracles.

We have had decades of Labour and LibDem corruption and mismanagement and the SNP are supposed to have it all sorted by now in the middle of a Labour guided recession !!

The SNP have not even got a Majority to work with though they are the largest party which means constant compromises must be reached and on top of all that EUROPE is making most of the decisions at local and national levels - our own elected Government hardly has a say any more !

As usual the liberalist/looney lefties screw the country up and leave the mess for everyone but themselves to tidy up.

If you want to get new Schools and a better life in general then get rid of Labour, the Lib Dems and Europe !!
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im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 31/05/2009 14:20:44
http://www.socialist.net/mps-expenses-scandal.htm
read what the commrades make of it all
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Voldemort,

Edinburgh 31/05/2009 14:27:17
129:- It would be great if a vote for the SNP meant 'independence' - unfortunately it just means that you vote for being controlled directly by Brussels - as opposed to being controlled by Brussels via Westminster!

My humble opinion would be that the SNP should alter their stance on paying the twits in Brussels to run (aka burden) our country and save the money so they can truly run a properly free trading, profitable, independent nation. Now that would be worth voting for!

The Tories, Labour and Lib Dems are all frogmarching us into Political Alliance with Europe as we speak. What started off as a simple Trade agreement has developed into a total political takeover without the consent of the people.

It is about time we told our Politicians to stick Europe's straight bananas where the sun don't shine - unless of course they have banned that too !
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im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 31/05/2009 14:29:53
i notice that labour will not let this snp gov get on and give to the people of scotland,the service which ,they were democraticaly elected to do
they block and whine at every bill,just like spoilt brats
labour think god almighty gave them scotland as theirs to do with as they please
but then alone comes a party who state "Let our people go free"
yes its all simular to when big JC was here ,they goosestep and screech,do it our way or nothing at all
labour would rather see scotland become a waste land,rather than some party making it prosperous
i have seen labour lie and cheat at every election since 1970
lied about oil,self government,not being able to do a thing without westminster etc,labour councils squandering money on arty farty projects,and right on causes
why did they not invest in schools for all theyears they were in power?,because they just thought,election day,our voters will return us no questions needed to be answered
well its about time scots kicked the rear end of these money ,sex and corruption grabbing shysters ,they got a bloody nose in 07 ,now the voters need to deliver the KO punch,might just teach them humility and learn them voters are not idiots,labour party are the idiots
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im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 31/05/2009 14:35:02
broon and darling,now they remind me of 2 characters whom Mel Brooks,showed how creative accountancy ,can get you rich
they must have thought it a wheeze to be the next
Max Bialystock aka broon
Leo Bloom aka darling
and we all know just how much of a mess those two did
will it be springtime for herr broon?
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im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 31/05/2009 14:39:12
Alice Cooper released an album called brutal planet
one track reminds me of the BNP,lyrics below seem to fit them
2. Wicked Young Man

Cold blue swastika tattooed on my skin
The ice in my veins the staples in my chin
I've got it carved in my forehead "Slave To My Sin"
Too violent for the brotherhood to ever take me in

Gonna write down my law in blood upon the street
To the cadence of a goose-step heavy metal beat
Wanna purify my race gonna turn up the heat
Just wanna make 'em die and make the job complete

I am a vicious young man oh I am a wicked young man
It's not the games that I play the movies I see the music I dig
I'm just a wicked young man

I like to run my body on heavy heavy fuel
I can punch through a wall I can kick like a mule
I got a pocketful of bullets and a blueprint of the school
I'm the devil's little soldier I'm the devil's little tool

I am a vicious young man oh I am a wicked young man
It's not the games that I play the movies I see the music I dig
I'm just a wicked young man

I got every kind of chemical pumpin' through my head
I read Mein Kampf daily just to keep my hatred fed
I never ever sleep I just lay in my bed
Dreamin' of the day when everyone is dead

I am a vicious young man oh I am a wicked young man
It's not the games that I play the movies I see the music I dig
I'm just a wicked young man
I am a vicious young man oh I am a vicious young man
I am a vicious young man oh I am a wicked young man
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im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 31/05/2009 15:02:00
broon thinks that all those on long term dole,are parasites
he should be on his knees ,begging forgivness from the unemployed
they may take a giro ,either rightly or wrongly,but at least they are not trying to get refunds on plasma tvs ,second homes?,some dont even have a first home
gordon the blue rinse brigade will now vote cameron in,as blue eyed boy tony the phony no longer is pm or mp
vast sums of cash wasted on mps of all parties,when that cash could have built schools ,hospitals etc
instead of buying the lifestyle of the rich and famous,some MPs think their movie stars(and one a porn star)
out vote them all
130

Warden Resurrected,

31/05/2009 15:04:07
Our Schools have become toilets and the children are scared to go to their school toilets. Education in Scotland used to be our pride but has society now which has let standards in infrastructure and education fester in the sewer of degradation. We are the nation of great educators and educated, of great inventors and their inventions, how did we all let this iniquity catch up on us so easily. We are government as much as government represents the people. We let this happen as did government, and we stand or sit here shamed and making excuses.
131

KL1,

Ampang 31/05/2009 15:34:06
Are the 46 Labour MSPs so incompetent that they require writers from the Scotsman group to help them along in their efforts to smear the SNP?

Sure SFT is the SNP's Achilles' heel (so far at least), however, Labour controlled much of Scotland for the past 50 years, so much so that much of the country would appear to resemble a sink estate.

By all means hold the First Minister and the SNP Government to account - but do it constructively.

Scotland requires mature politics. It does not need the likes of the Scotsman/BBC helping to orchestrate smear campaigns, basically working hand-in-glove with third rate unionist politicians and hypocrites. With so much else happening - that could fairly justify lead story status - this newspaper continues to demean its reputation by scratching around for anything remotely anti-SNP. Where's the grown-up journalism and analysis that we used to expect from The Scotsman?


132

Mèths,

31/05/2009 16:12:49
12 May 2009

"Four new primaries are to be built in Dundee after councillors approved the £20m proposals"
BBC
***********************
March 2009

"Inverclyde Council has confirmed that two more schools are to be built in the area."
STV
***************
Signed projects with dates

Inverclyde Schools: Programme of new build primary and secondary schools 80million signed October 2008
**********************************
Aberdeen City Council - 3Rs Schools
The rebuilding and refurbishment of schools in Aberdeen: 120 million. Signed March 2008
**********************************************
West Dunbartonshire Council - Schools PPP
four secondary schools, two primary, two nursery plus community and sports facilities: 105million, signed January 2008
*******************************************

etc etc etc at http://www.pppforum.com/projects/dept.asp?d=Scotland&type=signed
133

Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 31/05/2009 16:14:19
Close all the schools. What is the point? The teachers are all un-educated and stupid: How can they possibly teach anything to the next generation?
134

Mèths,

31/05/2009 16:22:13
167

"The teachers are all un-educated and stupid"

ALL un-educated? Every single teacher in Scotland? Please show me a link to your intensive survey.

ps Maybe in your list D school they were.
135

Mèths,

31/05/2009 16:24:56
167 again Mikko

Your statement, "How can they possibly teach anything to the next generation?"

Because there isn't a next generation yet as they've not been born?
Maybe you meant current generation?
Maybe you just had a bad experience failing everything and decided it's the teachers' fault.

Whatever - yer a dimboid.
136

Mèths,

31/05/2009 16:42:05
.... on this thread!
137

Mèths,

31/05/2009 17:09:23
Remember Gray made a tool of himself before over this?
Gray said that a new Ellon Academy would have been built by the previous Labour-led Executive. He said a plan was drawn up.

"Ellon Academy never appeared on any Scottish Executive school building programme during the 8 years of the previous Labour/LibDem administration."

Har de har har
138

Mèths,

31/05/2009 17:13:19
He later changed this to say plans were afoot to refurbish the school. Erm - they weren't.
139

Mèths,

31/05/2009 17:13:36
Bored now. Cheers.
140

Ewan Randall,

31/05/2009 20:10:27
(#108) – (Observer) – Is there a specific reason you wished for me to read the report in the link you provided?

As you have obviously read my post I earlier submitted what answers did you get to my questions?

Can you tell me in regards to the report from UNISON, would you say they might have had a vested interest in the subject matter?

If you believe that UNISON might have had a vested interest in the subject matter of the report, in which way do you believe it might be in?

In the UNISON report there was the use of the term “median” about four times, do you know if there is an indication of a range from which the medians were taken?

If there were no range from which these medians might have been taken from, do you believe they might have had a good reason for doing so?

Do you know any reasons a report might possibly omit a range when dealing with either a median or a mean when dealing with such subject matter?

If the Scotland Act was to be amended to give the Scottish government borrowing powers would it have any effect on the amount of money received from Westminster through Barnett?

Do you believe that as the Scottish government receives its money due to the Barnett formula that it should pass on the money to local councils using the Barnett formula too?

If local authorities did receive their money due to the Barnett formula wouldn’t it be easier for them to raise more money for school projects?
141

im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 31/05/2009 20:39:36
#174 it doesnt stand now as its on its knees
ok i do not know what its up to,all i see are daily attacks on the snp gov,now if salmond had done that ,and tried to stop every piece of legislation,going through parli,lab and fib dems would have bleeted to voters ,they snp wont let us help you,but when snp tell voters ,that labour ,tory and fib dems are playing up,labour puts on a wounded stag expression,some come out bubbling like wee weans,when in truth it sticks in their craw ,to be booted out of office,and replaced by a gov that puts scotland first
grey just a waste of space,couldnt punch his way out a wet paper bag
tory-all me me me onion me me
fib dems-wooly headed middle class twits,support anything except scotland,would rather see us starve ,so this gov gets voted out,and they get their cushy weee jobs back,brownosing again
142

Observer,,

Glasgow 31/05/2009 21:16:08
Ewan ten questions have you seen a GP about your condition ?
143

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31/05/2009 22:04:45
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ubinworryinmasheep,

Getorfmyland 31/05/2009 23:11:13
167 Mikko Drumnadrochit .... has your brain not defrosted from winter time yet. What nonsense you speak.
145

ubinworryinmasheep,

Getorfmyland 31/05/2009 23:12:20
#167 Mikka Drumnadrochit.... has your brain not defrosted from wintertime yet ..what nonsense you speak.
146

ecosseman,

FACTS NOT PROPAGANDA 01/06/2009 12:34:59
THE ONLY WAY SCOTLAND CAN AFFORD TO SPEND MORE MONEY IS TO BECOME INDEPENDENT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

LONDON IS STARVING THE PEOPLE OF SCOTLAND OF CASH,SO LETS KICK THEM OUT ASAP.

ROLL ON THE ELECTION!
147

S.M.D.,

EH 02/06/2009 11:43:05
Could perhaps the Scotsman get the headlines more correct?

The fact is , that the SNP gov. was forced by the other party's to pay £600 million + for a tram, which hardly anyone will be able to get the benefit of.

How many schools , nurses and police would that have had been able to pay for???

 

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