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Published Date: 08 March 2009
LABOUR has moved to reclaim the Saltire from the Nationalists by emphasising it is the flag for every Scot, not just those who believe in independence.
The Saltire was plastered all over the literature at yesterday's Labour conference in Dundee, has been displayed on Scottish Labour's website and has been used prominently in the party's most recent party political broadcast.

The move follows per
sistent claims that Alex Salmond has annexed the flag for the SNP by treating it as the Nationalists' exclusive property and using it for party political propaganda.

The flying of the flag on Scottish Labour's branded material is a deliberate ploy to show voters that Iain Gray's party is just as Scottish as the SNP.

"We don't own the Saltire. The Nats don't own the Saltire," a Labour spokesman said. "The Saltire is for everyone."

Strategists are also emphasising the fact that Iain Gray, Scottish Labour's leader and East Lothian MSP, lives within five miles of Athelstaneford – the site of the battle where the Scots Army observed a white St Andrews Cross against the blue sky after defeating the English in 832AD.

The idea that Scots can be proud to be both Scottish and British was articulated at the conference when a teenager took to the stage yesterday.

Callum Munro, 16, a pupil at Bishopbriggs Academy, told delegates: "I am proud to be Scottish. But the SNP try to tell us that unless you support their plans for separation, you don't have the right to be proud of your country."

The flag-waving theme will continue today when Jim Murphy addresses the conference and makes a patriotic case for the Union while emphasising that the Saltire is for all Scots whether they are Nationalists or proud to be British.

"No political party has a monopoly on patriotism," Murphy will say. "The Saltire is our flag as much as anybody else's. I believe that everyone in Scotland – every party in Scotland – has the right to celebrate the Saltire as a symbol of their Scottishness.

"There is a patriotic case for the Union and we should be proud to make it. It's precisely because we love Scotland so much that we do not wish to see it weakened by leaving the UK.

"Scotland is bigger because of the Union of the four nations of the United Kingdom. We are game-changing players in the UN, EU, NATO, the WTO and the G8. In truth, within the UK, we are probably the most influential small nation on Earth."

Labour's reclamation of the Saltire follows a similar move by the Scottish Conservatives. On St Andrews Day last year, the Scottish Tory leader, Annabel Goldie, reminded Scots that the Saltire was not a "flag of separatism", but was incorporated in the Union flag.

In his speech, Jim Murphy will also ask people to be wary of "recession racism" and call for tolerance.

"This is the first recession in a genuinely global labour market," he will say. "While understanding people's fears and insecurities, no-one should pander to credit-crunch racism. The way through this is about having fair immigration rules, strong border controls and a tolerance towards those whom we welcomed to the UK in better economic times."





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RufusT-Firefly,

07/03/2009 20:19:45
Webwise is late tonight.
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webwise,

Scotland 07/03/2009 22:10:19
Labour cannot reclaim the saltire from the SNP because the SNP do not own it. Labour are in effect admitting that they have an identity problem when it comes to Scotland.

They are perceived, correctly, as being a London centric party who seek to distance themselves from symbols of Scottish culture.
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 08/03/2009 00:16:22
Murphy will launch his own flag. The skull and crossbones.
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08/03/2009 00:16:31
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Andrew Horton,

08/03/2009 00:18:08
So... can anyone among the few who have attended the Labour conference tell us if they discussed anything else other then the SNP? One could be forgiven for thinking Labour in Scotland don't have any policies.
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RufusT-Firefly,

08/03/2009 00:22:16
Andrew Horton,08/03/2009 00:18:08
So... can anyone among the few who have attended the Labour conference tell us if they discussed anything else other then the SNP?

Yes.

"One could be forgiven for thinking Labour in Scotland don't have any policies".

No they couldn't.
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Gussie Fink-Nottle,

08/03/2009 00:22:20
Go home and prepare for six more years of whining...
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 08/03/2009 00:23:01
The standard of NuLabour is a black boar on a field of puce.

Their motto is, "What's yours is mine, and what's mine's my own".
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08/03/2009 00:23:29
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famous 15,

Edinburgh 08/03/2009 00:27:23
Labour is fixated with the Union but have abandoned the Imperial flag (Union Jack as its commonly called) for our beloved saltire. Oh my! Labour in another identity crisis. British jobs for British workers went down a bundle when selling America a no protectionist line. Give me the SNP every time. More than ever ;INDEPENDENCE for Scotland is needed.
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Harry Shanks,

Rutherglen 08/03/2009 00:28:55
To sum up:

When Murphy visits the REAL Labour Conference he will happily bask under the emblem of the Red Rose of England but when he attends the wee diddy Labour Conference in Scotland he wants to wave his Saltire.

There is a word to describe such a person.
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Thomas79,

Ayrshire 08/03/2009 00:34:27
The Labour party are using their conference to talk about a flag.

What next, perhaps they will tell us their favourite colour.

So far their conference has been made up of Brown telling Scotland its too small to think for itself, Gray telling us Salmond is nasty and he doesn't like him, and now they are reclaiming a flag. And this is the main opposition.

Where are the policies?
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Andrew Horton,

08/03/2009 00:36:47
Labour don't know what they stand for. One moment it's for 'the vulnerable', next it's for 'hard working people', next we're told to celebrate that people can be so blindingly rich in the UK. They want to make council-tax fairer but have no suggestions as to how. They talk about dropping student debt, then organise a student protest outside Holyrood while voting against the proposal behind closed doors. They talk about loving Scotland, but insist on the need to 'appeal to Middle England'. They insist on not breaking the 'letter of the law', then try to put people in the dock of 'the court of public opinion'. The only policy Labour have is how to pull the blindfold over the eyes of the electorate so they can gorge at the trough for as long as is possible.
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Donald Black,

08/03/2009 00:41:13
The more Scottish symbolism openly and proudly displayed the better it is for strengthening a clear, distinctive and separate Scottish identity. Surprisingly generous of Labour to help the nationalists in this way.
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redcliffe62,

08/03/2009 00:45:28
remind me which party said that the saltire should not be flown above edinburgh castle in preference to the union joke?
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ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 08/03/2009 00:47:23
But it was just the other day that Labour was pratling on about there was more to politics etc than flag waving.
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lulach mac gille coemgain,

08/03/2009 00:52:46
The Union Jack is a scottish flag - designed through oor auld king James - The Lion Rampant is a Scottish Flag from king David and the Saltire is from St Andrews Cross, Scotlands Patron, In England they have the red cross cause historically they are goin’ home in ambulances when they invade Scotland!
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lulach mac gille coemgain,

08/03/2009 00:53:42
Labour are the Red Rose of England party!
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Edward,

08/03/2009 00:55:04
This is hilarious, in England Labour wrap themselves in the Union Jack and will do anything to apeal to middle England. But in Scotland the unionist party now pretends to be for Scotland. Problem is EVERYONE knows better. Labour have a long history of treating Scotland badly. They did everything to deny Scotland its own wealth.Now when things look badly for them, they try and fool the Scottish people.

Fact is the SNP have been the only party for the last 50 years that actually believed in Scotland. But they have never stated that the saltire is theirs. They just believed in Scotland and its flag, where as Labour wrapped itself in the unin flag as did the Tories
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Macuistean,

On the mainland 08/03/2009 01:01:55
Talk about clutching at straws. The BBC will be telling us that Britain is an island.
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Scotindy,

Los Angeles 08/03/2009 01:09:28
Liebor party too little too late. Scots are sick to the back teeth of their lies BS and all that goes with their english masters. INDEPENDENCE is our only chance of being FREE of british rule!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Steve,

Bo'ness 08/03/2009 01:11:57
This, from the party who had activists out ripping saltires down from flyovers during the Glenrothes by-election!

WHAT A HARD NECK!
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Stan Butler,

08/03/2009 01:18:21

The campaign to reclaim the English flag from the BNP seems to have been quite successful so this is a logical development.
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Fi,

08/03/2009 01:29:07
Flags? Who gives a ha'penth for flags?

All of the posts, all of the politicians are full of hot air.

Fact: Scotland couldn't survive fiscally if it was independant.

Fact: Anyone who answers the question of their nationality as, "Scottish," "Welsh," "Northern Irish," or "English," is ignorant. They are all British.

I don't carry a card for any party, I usually vote for the one making the most sense. Right now, I'm struggling to find one...
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Edward,

08/03/2009 01:36:07
#24 Fi
'Fact: Scotland couldn't survive fiscally if it was independant'
You must have been on holiday lately
It has now been established through release of government papers that successive Labour and Tory governmets have been taking Scotland fo a ride and in one released paper, it was acknowledged that an Independent Scotland would be the richest country in europe and one of the richest in the world!
But all this was supressed by Labour and the Tories who have been leeching from Scotland
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Edward,

08/03/2009 01:38:34
The union of the two Kingdoms, known as the United Kingdom is finished! Lets put this to an end and have full Independence for each of the two Kingdoms!
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Fifi la Bonbon,

08/03/2009 01:48:18
Wouldn't it be nice if the cyberbnats stopped bickering with Rufus the gnat about this and gave us a couple of words defending public sector workers as Scotland on Sunday has a go at home helps' pensions?
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Beachcomber,

Edinburgh 08/03/2009 01:56:16

From the Independent on Sunday...

"Hain breaks ranks to warn Brown he is running out of time"
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hain-breaks-ranks-to-warn-brown-he-is-running-out-of-time-1639758.html
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Ashley Thomson,

08/03/2009 02:00:09
remember the days when we had a Labour Party whose flag was red ? fading memory for some now. New Labour = Old tories
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Brian Hill,

08/03/2009 02:02:22
On the surface this is a good move by Labour but as jwil #9 says:

The flag is so indelibly impressed in Scottish minds as a 'Scottish Independence' icon.....

By waving the Saltire London Labour (scotland) will effectively be doing the SNP's job for them, thus I think it's an excellent idea.
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Fi,

08/03/2009 02:11:29
Dear Edward #26 (Hammer of the Scots?)

Which part of the multi-billion bail out of RBS, the take over of HBOS and then the multi-billion bail out that was announced this week, do you think an independant Scotland could have supported?

Cite me one academic paper, with verifiable data, and I will concede the point.
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Dark Lochnagar,

Symington 08/03/2009 02:27:10
Watch the following BBC Alba programme to see what Labour and the Tories think of Scotland. Watch it to THE END. http://bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00g8hg3/Diomhair/

Put the address onto your mails and blogs to get the maximum exposure.
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Edward,

08/03/2009 02:27:58
#31Fi
An Independent Scotland would most likely have different financial regulations that may have prevented the banks lending money to people who didnt have the means to repay.
But that not withstanding an Independent Scotland would be sufficiently rich anyway to bail out the banks if required. An example of this was Norway which gave Iceland funds to help with its banking problems
You know very well from release record that an Indpendent Scotland would have been very rich. We all know that. Except idiots like you that believe everything that Brown tells you.
It is pathetic to hear Labour people like Brown or Murphy exspouse the idea that Scotland somehow should be greatful for the Banks being bailed out by the UK treasury. Considering the money for this comes from the wealth of Scotlands Oil!
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Castaway™ ,

08/03/2009 04:15:21
Jim Murphy "Scotland is bigger because of the Union of the four nations of the United Kingdom. We are game-changing players in the UN, EU, NATO, the WTO and the G8. In truth, within the UK, we are probably the most influential small nation on Earth."

Jim, in truth the following countries (and there's more) each have a smaller population than Scotland, they are amongst the real "game-changing players" in the UN, EU, NATO and the WTO ie they have individual voting and where applicable veto rights thus in truth they are amongst the most "influential small nations on Earth"

EU:includes Malta,Cyprus,Luxembourg,Latvia etc
WTO: includes Albania,Antigua and Barbuda,Fiji,Maldives etc
NATO:includes Slovenia,Latvia,Iceland Estonia etc
UN: includes Andorra, Belize,Comoros,Kiribati, San Marino, Sao Tome and Principe, Tuvalu etc
G8: member nations account for 14% of the world's population.
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For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 08/03/2009 05:19:04
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Never late for a Hootsman Plant, being able to post at 20:19. Tell me, when did the sight become available to the public WUFUS??

It's only Labour who have concocted this rubbish that the "Saltire belong to the SNP". The SNP have used it in their campaign with success. Let Labour try using the Butcher's Apron in their campaign.

The SNP fully realises that the Saltire is SCOTLAND's Flag - Labour seem to think it's the Butcher's Apron.

".....we are probably the most influential small nation on Earth."

Come on Murphy, you're not going to tell us we are the "greatest wee nation on Earth" are you??

What about Norway:
Before this financial melt-down, US Banks were attracted by Norway's Oil Fund, and regularly took out loans from Norway.
Norway's does not require to print money - OOOPS!!, I mean it doesn't require QUANTITATIVE EASING.
Norway has been able to fund it's own stimulus package by using just 5% of it's Oil Fund.

Seems like Norway is way more influential than Scotland, and has benefited greatly from NOT being part of this B AS TA RD union.
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morris,

edinburgh 08/03/2009 06:07:22
LABOUR has moved to reclaim the Saltire from the Nationalists by emphasising it is the flag for every Scot, not just those who believe in independence.It has never been anything else you dolts!This is childish!

This is not even sensible! The Saltire represents Scotland and only Scotland. There was an early SNP badge which contained both Saltire cross and Rampant Lion and can still be bought probably,but the SNP has never EVER claimed that the Saltire was anything other than the flag of the Scottish nation.To do so would be plain stupid!
Its Labour who are claiming this flag and identity ,and the problem for all Unionist parties is they lose their Scottish identity by virtue of that irrefutible fact that they are NOT Scottish Parties,hence the Scottish Labour Party Conference and so on.
They have an identity crisis and its of their own making just as Quisling was no longer considered to be a Norwegian.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 08/03/2009 06:24:54
33 - a few years back Labour cooncil in Fife barred the saltire from flying in cooncil flagpoles. Now they love the saltire (official), changed days indeed.
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redcliffe62,

08/03/2009 06:27:26
this is a sound byte to try and show they care about scotland, having rooted the banks and used the money from oil over many years to pay for the m25 and the london olympics rather than the a9 or a(m)74.
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redcliffe62,

08/03/2009 06:30:51
wait for a few scraps to be thrown from the table when we get close to an election vote. labour as a whole party in scotland denied they were rooting the royal mail when it was announced just before glenrothes, and now confirm sacking people who kept communities going as a necessary social service, along with privatising up to 50% so that they do not have to look after outlying areas and provide services at the same costs as in urban areas. that denial was a lie and has proved correct. liars the lot of them.
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08/03/2009 06:48:26
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morris,

Edinburgh 08/03/2009 06:57:47
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Indeed.The problem for the Labour Party is most of them repeat parrot fashion what they are told from above and lack the ability to think for themselves.(if they could they would not be in the Labour Party,unless we didnae mean tae suppress the McCrone Report and tell Scotland a pack of lies for 4 decades is a legitimate excuse)!
Hence the amazing turn around. Labour do U turns like a spinning top Its hard to tell where one starts and the other stops!
BRING IT ON is now NO REFERENDUM!
They have also claimed that they and they alone represent ALL of the Scottish people. Well that is even more stupid than the flag claim!
Apart from some parties do not support the retention of Scotland in the UK,the Tory and Lib Dem Parties supporters definitely are NOT represented by Labour.NO PARTY can claim they represent everybody even though they might genuinely desire to do so!Democracy demands that a majority of opinion is represented only.

Labour should stop inventing nonsense designed to be regurgitated by their own supporters and start giving a credible argument which bears scrutiny,and if they don't have one (as would appear to be the case) then don't!
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Satire above all,

08/03/2009 07:03:13
A must see >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00g8hg3

will be appearing on youtube soon.


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Newton_Invented_Gravity,

08/03/2009 07:08:06
Whoever told the labour party that they couldn't use the Saltire?
I would ask them why they have been so unwilling to use it in the past. It seems as if it's they who've got the problem.
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Satire above all,

08/03/2009 07:13:51
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00g8hg3 = TRUTH ABOUT WESTMINSTER'S ANTI SCOTTISHNESS
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 08/03/2009 07:27:15
#24 Fi

"Fact: Anyone who answers the question of their nationality as, "Scottish," "Welsh," "Northern Irish," or "English," is ignorant. They are all British."

Fact: Anyone who thinks British is a Nationality is ignorant. It's like saying European is a Nationality.
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morris,

edinburgh 08/03/2009 07:28:36
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That is absolutely spot on! The Saltire is the flag of Scotland allegedly adopted by the Picts at Athelstaneford as an omen for victory.Labour could not only wrap themselves in the Saltire,if they were so inclined,many wish that they had.
What they are doing is admitting that they are NOT a Scottish Party ,but a Unionist Party (and trying to deflect from that which they are definitely guilty of).

Its a perfectly legitimate position to take and say I am British (whatever it means)and proud of it. Whether we agree or not is another matter of course.
Its less so to claim that I am a British Party in England but a Scottish Party in Scotland. You are the same British Party or Gordon Brown and even Londoner Alastair Darling are not the Party of power(both elected in Scottish seats)and consequently impostors!

You either are something or you are not.You cannot be both when the occasion suits.
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www.dundeeforum.co.uk,

Dundee 08/03/2009 07:41:19
Thank god this lame bunch of losers are leaving SNP held Dundee today - they are about as welcome as a plague of locusts at harvest time.

2010 Shock result - Labour Lose general election - Tories in Power.

2011 - Predictable result - SNP wipe the floor with Labour

BRING IT ON!
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Newton_Invented_Gravity,

08/03/2009 07:42:15
The labour party can think again if they imagine they can saltire over the cracks in their policies.
It's not about who waves a flag about the most, it's about who actually stands up for Scotland, and sadly in that respect labour have been found wanting again and again over the years.
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AyeWeCan.blogspot.com,

http://ayewecan.blogspot.com/ 08/03/2009 07:45:29
"If you remove the English army tomorrow and hoist the green flag over Dublin Castle, unless you set about the organisation of the socialist Republic your efforts would be in vain. England would still rule you. She would rule you through her capitalists, through her landlords, through her financiers, through the whole army of commercial and individual institutions she has planted in this country and watered with the tears of our mothers and the blood of our martyrs. (...) Nationalism without Socialism - without a reorganisation of society on the basis of a broader and more developed form of that common property which underlay the social structure of Ancient Erin - is only national recreancy."

James Connolly, Socialism and Nationalism.
Born The Cowgate Edinburgh, 1868. Died Dublin Castle, 1916. Lives forever

http://ayewecan.blogspot.com/
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lulach mac gille coemgain,

08/03/2009 07:50:40
Let’s ask the Earl of Lauderdale his opinion
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morris,

edinburgh 08/03/2009 07:54:36
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You are correct as far as I can see.

Scotland England Wales and Northern Ireland are nations.
Scotland being one of Europe's oldest and before England existed of course!

United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is a multinational state,comprising of these component nations.
We are treated to all intents and purposes as a nation or nation state ,since to discriminate against us would clearly serve no useful legitimate purpose presumably.
It does not mean we are the same nation!It means only that we are a multinational state. The re-emergence of Latvia Estonia etc would prove this I think. Nationhood has a clear definition at any given time and Scotland is clearly recognised by the international community as has been verified as I understand this by both EU and UN.
Former countries automatically are recognised should they declare their desire to be again.They return to a previous legitimacy.
Even if this was wrong surely we would accept that all people should have the right to be what their majority declares as their wish.That's why I am currently in the UK. If a referendum shows that we no longer wish to be so,then its only right that we should secede from the Union.What the Unionists want is to impose their UNION upon us irrespective of whether we like it or not! That is a disgraceful position to adopt and they are definitely unfit to govern as long as they adopt this stance.

Have a referendum . The ONLY way to evaluate what is what here.
Fear the result and you fear democracy.
That guarantees you have no legitimate place in government.
Labour need to ask themselves a question. Who do we represent? The people who elected us or ourselves? So far I see only self interest.
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RufusT-Firefly,

08/03/2009 07:59:18
Dundee?

Isn't that the place where ITV films 'Loose Women'?
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karin.m,

08/03/2009 08:05:00
80 ho rufus

we dont need to know about your personal life.

If your losing woman its your own fault.......

thats what happens when you love broon and labour.
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karin.m,

08/03/2009 08:06:01
hey spooky your up early.......hows that six pack of yours doing..........
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karin.m,

08/03/2009 08:07:11
rufus talk to spooky about your wummin problem he will tell you how to sort yourself out so that you can keep one.
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brownlie,

08/03/2009 08:16:38
Is anyone else having problems signing in to this site? Perhaps I need to change monikers. I did think of posting as Union is Better but some-one has already grabbed that.
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brownlie,

08/03/2009 08:17:30
Rufus

Are you still there?
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W U Merchant,

Aberdeen 08/03/2009 08:25:16
As long as the saltire is the correct colour (Pantone 300), I don't give a damn who waves it.
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brownlie,

08/03/2009 08:26:42
90 funny_newspaper

Me a SNP supporter?

Only the foolish would support a party other than the one who opposed a referendum so that they could address the more serious issue of the economy and then their main man in Scotland will today rattle on about who owns the Saltire.

He will say that the Saltire is owned by the people of Scotland - the same people that he and his party would deprive of a referendum on the vastly more importance question of Scotland's future.
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Peter Curran,

Kirkliston 08/03/2009 08:32:17
Gordon 'British' Brown belatedly discovers he's a Scot. Can we now expect him to return to Westminster in full Highland dress, waving a saltire? Somehow I doubt it.

The SNP have never claimed 'ownership' of the saltire, nor have they 'highjacked' it. It is the flag of the nation of Scotland, of all Scots, of whatever political allegiance, and the SNP are proud to be Scottish and to celebrate Sctoland's unique identity in the family of nations.

What can we say of Labour's Scots, who saw the noblest prosepect for their careers as the high road to England? Let them wave the banner of their shame, the Union Jack, again drenched in blood. The People's Flag, the emblem of Labour is now deepest red - with the blood of our armed forces and of countless Iraqui's.

It's too late for the Brown Gang to rediscover their Scottishness, but its not too late for the Scottish people.

http://moridura.blogspot.com
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brownlie,

08/03/2009 08:32:51
94 Union is Better

Is it okay to post as you now and again to add a bit of gravitas to my postings. You can borrow mine when you want to lower the quality of your postings.

Have we still got these saltires we ordered for flying on Britishness day?
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oh pedeStriaN laP sheep (anag),

08/03/2009 08:35:31
It's like the St Georger and the BNP.

The BNP's sister party, the SNP, use the same tactics. You were told that when fascism returns it would be wrapped in your flag. Get it through your thick skull.
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brownlie,

08/03/2009 08:35:49
99 The Spook

Great day yesterday - Hibs didn't get beat. What have you done to Rufus? Have you hi-jacked him onto your blog?
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Alex Scott,

Glasgow 08/03/2009 08:36:49
Why do so many replies in the online version of the Scotsman/Scotland on Sunday consist of inane comments - ostensibly from SNP supporters - few of which have any bearing to the article being discussed?

Surely a key objective in political debate is to encourage those who may not hold your view to reconsider their attitudes, preferably by the strength of the case you present?

I see little evidence of this from Nationalists.

However, what I do notice is petty point-scoring, sloganising and an almost unimaginable level of de-intellectualisation.


In fact, could these ‘Nationalists’ actually be Labour apparatchiks in disguise, hoping to discredit the SNP?
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brownlie,

08/03/2009 08:37:02
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Nil desperandum, my friend!
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Mikey,

08/03/2009 08:37:16
I've got an idea. Let's see just how much Murphy and his crew mean what they say. Let's have the SP enact a law that states that the only parties that can contest the SP elections are those that are headquartered, registered and funded in Scotland!

Let's have no more lies about Labour being Scottish. They are an English party, registered in London and funded from London. Thir supporters are either too stupid to have a vote or they are agents provocateur. I wonder which category the Labour contributors on this board are?
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brownlie,

08/03/2009 08:39:07
103 Union is Better

I asked you yesterday but you were chatting up Jackie at the time. Did he give any indication where they were going to move it to? I must have fallen asleep reading the Beano during his speech.
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RufusT-Firefly,

08/03/2009 08:39:45
Morning Brownlie.
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brownlie,

08/03/2009 08:41:44
104 Alex

In answer to your last question - Yes, especially the really silly ones.
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brownlie,

08/03/2009 08:42:45
110 Rufus,

Morning Rufus, any word of that apology?
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pehman,

sussex 08/03/2009 08:43:43

only now slab wants to wave the Saltire. Why didn't they do it or want to do it for the last hundred years ?
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brownlie,

08/03/2009 08:44:53
113 Union is Better

Yes, big up to George. He is the most coherent and respected advocate for Labour that we have in Scotland.
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RufusT-Firefly,

08/03/2009 08:45:04
103 Union is ­Better,08/03/2009 08:36:19

Or have i mixed up gravity and gravitas?
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They are both the same aren't they?

Well, at least they are for Alex Salmond.

He has a big problem with both.
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brownlie,

08/03/2009 08:47:02
Does anyone know if Salmond has grown a small moustache and lost a testicle?
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RufusT-Firefly,

08/03/2009 08:47:33
115 brownlie,08/03/2009 08:42:45
110 Rufus,

Morning Rufus, any word of that apology?
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You can have an apology, for sure, if you want one.

But you initially made out you were Union is Better and I took you at face value and believed you.

It is therefore a strange thing to have to apologise for.
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RufusT-Firefly,

08/03/2009 08:48:29
Brownlie, I presume that is your fake that has appeared?
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RufusT-Firefly,

08/03/2009 08:49:20
Hey Spook, are you not worried that when your sister moves to Dundee, she will end up being an unmarried mother?
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Roy,

08/03/2009 08:50:57
Murphy: "In truth, within the UK, we are probably the most influential small nation on Earth."

Best wee country in the world again.... Same old, same old.
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RufusT-Firefly,

08/03/2009 08:51:03
Union is Better, Salmond probably could move the world.

He just needs to move a trampoline into the back garden of Bute House.
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brownlie,

08/03/2009 08:51:09
126 Rufus

I have never claimed to be Union is Better. You interpreted my posting as such - not that it matters but you can check it out if you like.
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brownlie,

08/03/2009 08:54:10
Rufus,

I've only been faked by one clown who put two "Vs" instead of "W". If you care to look at a previous posting you may spot the culprit. Clue - fascination with skulls.
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brownlie,

08/03/2009 08:55:33
134 Rufus

In view of the paucity of attendance at the Caird Hall do you think support for Labour is flagging?
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brownlie,

08/03/2009 08:58:10
140

I blush at such flattery!!
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oh pedeStriaN laP sheep (anag),

08/03/2009 08:59:22
143

What do you think of the £34 minimum wage?
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brownlie,

08/03/2009 08:59:33
142 Union is Better

And why not? What Labour has achieved over the past decade is cause for much celebration.
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TWC,

ex Labour 08/03/2009 09:03:08
If Labour plan to use the flag they must first earn it by proposing some Scottish policies. Get control of the Oil revenues & licenses, instead of shouting about apprentices.
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brownlie,

08/03/2009 09:03:30
144

I'd be reluctant to take such a pay cut but if it enhances MPs' expenses and pensions then so be it.
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oh pedeStriaN laP sheep (anag),

08/03/2009 09:06:07
152 brownlie

You think Joe Middleton is a good guy then?
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Conan the Librarian™,

08/03/2009 09:06:28
Good morning all, I remember the day when Labour's flag was deepest red...
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brownlie,

08/03/2009 09:07:19
153 Union is Better

Yes, but Purcell failed to mention that council staff's expenses are being cut to £300 per day.
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brownlie,

08/03/2009 09:09:33
155

I don't know him so I can't really comment. Does he go around accusing individuals of being thick-skulled?
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brownlie,

08/03/2009 09:10:54
157 Conan,

Morning Conan,

Always good to start the day with a song.
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Soosider,

Glasgow 08/03/2009 09:12:15
Firstly there is no such a group as the Scottish Labour Party, it is officially the Labour Party in Scotland.
Thats is where at least some of their difficulties come from. Iain Gray is not the leader of Labour in Scotland, he is the leader of the Labour Group in Holyrood. This in itself creates a huge problem that he and his group are unable to develope policies or positions without ensuring they are at least consistent with there centralised party machine.
I find it astounishing that the Labour Party is discussing a flag, when there are so many other issus they should be addressing, such as, why are nearly 25% of scots living in poverty, why are over 15000 scots children living in poverty. What are they doing to protect the savings and pensions of ordinary people. What are they doing about bringing to account those responsible for our current financial crisis
The Labour movement had a flag as the song went "... the peoples flag is darkest red" whats wrong with keeping this or does this make too many people in the new labour movement uncomfortable?
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RufusT-Firefly,

08/03/2009 09:12:36
139 brownlie,08/03/2009 08:55:33
134 Rufus
In view of the paucity of attendance at the Caird Hall do you think support for Labour is flagging?
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It could well be.

But that is not what will decide the next election.
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brownlie,

08/03/2009 09:15:40
167 Rufus

Very true, but it is a tiny indicator.

Did you know that quite a few in the hall came up from England to supplement the Scottish contingent?
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RufusT-Firefly,

08/03/2009 09:17:15
165 funny_newspaper,08/03/2009 09:11:38

Not much educated posters here now.

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"Not much educated posters here now."

WTF?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Conan the Librarian™,

08/03/2009 09:17:45
159

http://tinyurl.com/cwu95q

Rank indeed.
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oh pedeStriaN laP sheep (anag),

08/03/2009 09:18:10
I mention Joe MIddleton and brownlie/Union is BEtter etc loses it.

Interesting timing to have one of your breakdowns, no?
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brownlie,

08/03/2009 09:19:47
Oh dear, the screaming skull has reverted to type.

Catch you later, guys/gals, and I hope the white coat brigade catch the escapee..
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Conan the Librarian™,

08/03/2009 09:19:56
165

Hoi! Me much good educated!
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RufusT-Firefly,

08/03/2009 09:20:19
170 oh pedeStriaN laP sheep (anag)

One of these days the Scotsman will refer your posts to the police.

Every decent person on here will be delighted when it happens.

Especially when your court case makes the news, along with your full name and address.

Your family will be really proud of you.
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RufusT-Firefly,

08/03/2009 09:21:56
168 brownlie,08/03/2009 09:15:40
167 Rufus
Very true, but it is a tiny indicator.
Did you know that quite a few in the hall came up from England to supplement the Scottish contingent?
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Does not surprise me, but it is hardly important.
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RufusT-Firefly,

08/03/2009 09:23:10
Union, 174/175 is the same person, or?
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oh pedeStriaN laP sheep (anag),

08/03/2009 09:23:25
179

I hope that happens too.

They will use the individual IP address and find out that it is an idiotic and demented SNP "follower".

But he does need help, posting hard core gay porn on a news site is quite scary.

I think the person who does it also writes your posts.

What do you think of the £34 minimim wage?
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brownlie,

08/03/2009 09:23:37
179/181

Rufus,

Totally agree with your #179 but disagree with #181.

Byeee
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Conan the Librarian™,

08/03/2009 09:24:46
179 180

There's one for the books, an agreement between you two;-)
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RufusT-Firefly,

08/03/2009 09:25:24
How is the hangover wardog?
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RufusT-Firefly,

08/03/2009 09:27:23
Good morning Conan.

Union is Better is a great guy.

I have always liked him.

If he had a blog I would be a religious follower.
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RufusT-Firefly,

08/03/2009 09:28:19
191 Union is ­Better,08/03/2009 09:27:04
184. Or it might just be AM2. He had a Joe Middleton fixation, on his blog alot, and no one else has ever heard of this person.
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No chance of that and well you know it.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

08/03/2009 09:29:31
This is all very confusing.

I've ordered hundreds of Butcher's Aprons for British Bankruptcy Day. Seems like I'll have to cancel the order now.

I do wish Our Dear Leader would make up his mind.
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RufusT-Firefly,

08/03/2009 09:32:00
Secret Agent Jimmy Le Pie, how is the top secret dumping of toxic Olympic Waste in Falkirk Town Centre coming along?

Have you been out with your spycam again?
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 08/03/2009 09:32:55
Seemingly Harriet Harman, tipped by some to be the next leader of the “Scottish” Labour Party, required to have an interpreter whilst taking part in a Q&A session in the Caird Hall yesterday.

A Labour spokesperson apparently blamed the “acoustics” of this highly renowned concert venue??
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Conan the Librarian™,

08/03/2009 09:35:30
Lord Mandy of Greenface is on BBC 1, spinning the Post Office sell off.
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McNic,

Soon to be Nuclear Free Ayrshire 08/03/2009 09:35:42
Our High Commissionaire would be ideal as a model for a new Skull & Cross Trident Flag to be flown anywhere they fancy giving us new nuclear plant or repository.
Saor Alba.

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Jimmy Le Pie,

08/03/2009 09:39:54
Rufus,

as you know from your archives, the dump is near Bo'Ness not Falkirk town centre.

But as you unionists are no fairly right I'll make allowances for you.

When will British Bankruptcy Day be???

When will the IMF move in???

And all this AFTER Comrade Broon saved the world!!!
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Jimmy Le Pie,

08/03/2009 09:41:05
#210

Excellent post!!
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RufusT-Firefly,

08/03/2009 09:42:39
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184. Or? One is a fake, but I can't see any spaces
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Sometimes you cannot see the spaces, but not sure how its done.
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RufusT-Firefly,

08/03/2009 09:44:12
202 bully wee alba,Edinburgh 08/03/2009 09:32:55
Seemingly Harriet Harman, tipped by some to be the next leader of the “Scottish” Labour Party, required to have an interpreter whilst taking part in a Q&A session in the Caird Hall yesterday.
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Hardly Harriet Harman's fault if she did is it?
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Liberal for life,

Dunblane 08/03/2009 09:44:27
In my opinion SNP stands for Stop Nationalist Propaganda and for that reason alone I agree with the Labour Party on this occasion.

We must ensure our proud nations flag is not abused by narrow minded national seperatists so lets all fly the saltire above our homes, and that would really confuse the gNATS.

I wear a saltire tie now and again and you can gauge the reaction with nationalists when I tell them I ain't one of them - confusion reigns. It's a great feeling!
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Jimmy Le Pie,

08/03/2009 09:45:43
From The Independent on Sunday.

"Labour discontent with Gordon Brown's leadership bursts into the open today as the former cabinet loyalist Peter Hain breaks ranks to warn that the party is heading towards defeat unless it changes course and rediscovers its core values."

The headline should have read,

"One sleaze ridden has been politician criticises another sleaze ridden politician."
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Marian,

08/03/2009 09:46:39
This may come as a bit of a shock to many, but there is no such party as the Scottish Labour Party! However there is a so-called UK “New” Labour Party, headquartered in London with an outlook to match. and the leader of that party for the time being happens to be a control freak called Gordon Brown.

Scots should note that It is not only Scotland which needs independence, it is the parties of the so-called "Scottish" political system which owe their allegiance to and take their orders from a patronising and contemptuous London based unionist political elite which continues to act as though “The British Empire” is a still force to be reckoned with in the world, and to which the interests of Scotland's people and its assets are wholly expendable.

A truly Scottish Labour Party, one supporting the Independence of Scotland, and actually representing Scottish Labour voters, would have an immediate and beneficial effect on that Party's fortunes north of the border. Carrying on as usual being a 'Unionist' party in Scotland, is not learning lessons, and for sure, it's not going to gain many voters.

Unionism is not such a popular choice, forget all the polls with their 'weighted' questions, look at where most of the votes are heading in the real world. Not for an individual Unionist Party, but for a Party perceived to be supporting Scotland, as well as its Independence. It's all very well totalling up all the Unionist Parties, and claiming to have higher numbers overall. The trouble with that one, is the number of pro-Independence supporters who are sitting amongst each of those Unionist Parties. Those who are there on a Party political loyalty basis, but not because of Unionist loyalty.

The most important change required for New Labour in Scotland, is to break away from this 'Unionist' tag, and to completely change its tune.
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Hugh Roscombe,

08/03/2009 09:46:41
Liberal for life

"I wear a saltire tie now and again"

Hm... I had you down as a cravat type of guy.
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RufusT-Firefly,

08/03/2009 09:46:56
213 Canes Pugnaces,08/03/2009 09:40:55
190. Oh not too bad rufus, moderation lad, moderation.
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Very sensible approach. I am impressed.
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RufusT-Firefly,

08/03/2009 09:48:41
217 The Spook in Leith,08/03/2009 09:43:11
BTW its either Rufus or AM2 that's doing all those insane posts, this is just a blatant attempt to discredit the SNP forum users, sad but true.
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Who needs Inspector Morse when we have Spook?

Or maybe he is more of an Inspector Clouseau.
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Edward,

08/03/2009 09:48:55
Ho Ho
A Stirling Labour councillor has been banned from being elected for at least 18 months by the Standards Commission.
Gerard O'Brien, 39, was removed as a councillor for repeatedly breaching the Councillors Code of Conduct.
A by-election for Mr O'Brien's seat will be held later this year.

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Hugh Roscombe,

08/03/2009 09:49:41
222 Perro de guerra

There are two links on the home page. Top one has 23 comments without the article and the 2nd one has the article and 7 comments.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 08/03/2009 09:56:17
219 RufusT-Firefly,08/03/2009 09:44:12

202 bully wee alba,Edinburgh 08/03/2009 09:32:55
Seemingly Harriet Harman, tipped by some to be the next leader of the “Scottish” Labour Party, required to have an interpreter whilst taking part in a Q&A session in the Caird Hall yesterday.
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“Hardly Harriet Harman's fault if she did is it?”


Have you ever been in the Caird Hall, and do you also have some difficulty understanding Scottish accents?
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Faux Cul,

08/03/2009 09:56:26
It was reported in another place that the CAIRD hall IN dUNDEE WAS PACKED TAE THE GUNNLS by 500 delegates who wer lost in the capacity of the 3,000 seats available.

That by my O Level Arithemetic makes it about 17% full.

I believe that the Labour Party in Scotland have fewer members than the SNP.

Couple of thoughts here.

How many of the "delegates" were bussed in from The Labour Party in England?

Is the much vaunted 15,000 membership of Labour in Scotland is verifiable?

Have they done an off-the-books PPI and hidden the real losses?

How many of the 15,000 vote by post?

Answers, as always, written on the outside of a plain brown envelope containing £900 in used notes to

Room 4
John Smith House
Glesga
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RufusT-Firefly,

08/03/2009 10:03:12
235 bully wee alba,Edinburgh 08/03/2009 09:56:17
"Have you ever been in the Caird Hall"

No

"and do you also have some difficulty understanding Scottish accents?"

Some Scottish accents, yes. Similarly with some English, Welsh and Northern Irish accents.

So what's your point?
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RufusT-Firefly,

08/03/2009 10:08:28
238 The Spook in Leith,08

You need to move away from the 'them against us' viewpoint.

The weirdo that is posting all the filth on here is exactly that, a weirdo.

No point in trying to score points by saying he is affiliated to the Unionist cause.
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Newton_Invented_Gravity,

08/03/2009 10:08:53
What's the betting that Callum Munro will be the next snivelling brown-noser to get a place in the cabinet without ever having had a proper job. (like Jim Murphy and Duncan Alexander) they must have a factory producing these clones.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 08/03/2009 10:14:04
#241 Rufus

My point is simply this.

If the potential leader of the Labour party cannot understand what grass roots members of that party are actually saying, what confidence does that give in the abilities of that potential leader to understand anything else?
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Stan Butler,

08/03/2009 10:15:54


Political parties shouldn't try to hijack national flags for their own political ends.

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It's me!,

08/03/2009 10:17:07
From the red flag to the blue saltire. I'm surprised Labour even know the true colour of the saltire. If they did they would ensure the Union Flag has sky blue and not the navy blue or black we see on it. Hence English sports teams believe red, black and navy blue are the English colours.
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RufusT-Firefly,

08/03/2009 10:20:54
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248. Muriel Gray deals with Harriet very convincingly over at the Sunday herald.
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Don't mention Muriel Gray. It sends Observer into a violent rage.
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bluehead,

edinburgh 08/03/2009 10:27:13
how can they say they are Scotsmen when they don't want to be independent?anyway the labour party are on their way out,so I wouldn't worry about that if I were them,does anyone really listen to this Murphy guy ?
he sounds just like the rest of the clowns in the labour gang,if labour are not nationalists,then they can hardly have the privilege of calling themselves Scotsmen,at the next elections this matter will be cleared up,especially since labour, along with others,
denied the people of scotland their choice one way or another which proves they are only affiliated to scotland and not true members,the best place for the labour here, is for them to get transported down to England,where they can cozy up to broonie and his mob.!!!
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RufusT-Firefly,

08/03/2009 10:28:24
And here is Spook in his kilt.............

https://buffalobreathcostumes.com/wolthuis.aspx?productid=122&size=medium
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RufusT-Firefly,

08/03/2009 10:29:14
Anyway, the biggest worry we face at the moment is Recession Racism.
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Desmo,

Lumphinnans 08/03/2009 10:32:31
#167 Rufus

"But that is not what will decide the next election"

Bit of a sinister undertone to that statement isn`t
there ?

You seem strangely confident.

Do you know something we don`t ?

Wouldn`t be anything to do with postal voting or the disappearance of electoral registers,would it ?
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 08/03/2009 10:32:42
#263 Rufus


I guess that will mean no more “British jobs for British workers” then.

Now, who was it that said that?
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gus1940,

Edinburgh 08/03/2009 10:33:22
How are things in the East Lothian Labour Party - there has been a desfening silence of late - is all now sweetness and light?
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bill-alba,

fife 08/03/2009 10:34:36
this will be the same lb as the ones who run Angus council "self proclaimed birth place of Scotland" who went to the trouble of designing a county flag rather than fly the saltire and who eventually gave way due to public pressure and put another flag pole up to fly the saltire.
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JimC,

Kilmarnock 08/03/2009 10:43:17
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.
Mark Twain

As for a patriotic case for the Union, that is pure nonsense, the unionist actions over Oil have shown that when push comes to shove, the union takes precedence over Scotland’s Interests. Labour have brought us the police state, erosion of civil liberties, every local authority under labour laws now know how much every pensioner has in the bank, their account numbers and place of banking.
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Walter Ego,

Durness 08/03/2009 11:04:27
When are we going to get balanced reporting from the Scotsman? No more pro nationalist tripe, please.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 08/03/2009 11:09:55
#274

It would appear that your wish was granted..............about ten years ago.
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tinyurl.com/dk73mb,

ALBA THE NATION. 08/03/2009 11:16:38
As an ex Labour voter I will be staying that way as this party are an English party based in England who have taken the very un Scottish Red Rose and the red and white of the cross of St George as the symbols of their party. How anti Scottish can you get. There is no such thing as The Scottish Labour party.

Scotland did create the Labour party but now it is time for it's destruction and ironically Scotland is poised to deliver that fatal blow, by sending them homeward to think again come the next election.

Should Labour decide to revisit their roots and rediscover their working class Scottish voters then they may come back. However these champagne socialists and overpromoted oiks are not going to give up there elite life style easily.

Quite properly the SNP have used the Saltire and many other images of Scotland as there parties symbols, they are the only party at the moment who can say honestly that they have the interests of the Scottish nation at heart. These images show the Scottish nation that the SNP recognise that the sovereignty of the Scottish people is supreme. The people recognise that and vote for them in increasing numbers. Support for a referendum now stands at 72% and rising. That is what terrifies the Unionist regime.

Labour have lost Scotland. Their conference showed that, negative anti-SNP sneering and scaremongering peppered with the usual Labour lies. Ths was not a Labour conference this was an SNP bashing conference. Fear is very destructive and negative.
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tinyurl.com/dk73mb,

08/03/2009 11:19:38
Magnus Linklater and George Rosie

Documents detailing secret government plans in the 1970s to prevent Scotland laying claim to North Sea oil have been seen by The Times. They show the extraordinary lengths to which civil servants were prepared to go to head off devolution, which was seen then as inevitably leading to independence.

The proposals included suggesting to Labour ministers, for whom devolution was a manifesto commitment, that progress towards a referendum should be delayed, in the hope that enthusiasm north of the Border would wane.

Treasury officials also advised that the boundaries of Scotland's coastal waters should be redrawn and a new sector created to “neutralise” Scotland's claim to North Sea oil – a step that was taken.

One Treasury official even proposed that a local campaign for independence in Orkney and Shetland should be encouraged so that Scotland would be denied access to more than half the North Sea oil. The idea was that the islands would prefer to throw in their lot with London rather than Edinburgh.
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oh pedeStriaN laP sheep (anag),

08/03/2009 11:24:28
The SNP's use of a flag comes right out of the BNP guide to campaigning.

Much as the English must reclaim the St George from the BNP, so too must Scotland reclaim the flag from the BNP's sister party, the SNP.

Nationalism is dangerous and form the backbone of fascism and communism. Just ask SNP press officer Joe Middleton who believes in a £34 minimum wage.

These guys are off their rockers.
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Donald Black,

08/03/2009 11:27:52
#278
As the Scotland on Sunday (readership 50k and falling) bore us with sorry tales of the Labour party clutching at saltires, real stories like this one which inconveniently undemine 'the patriotic case for the Union' go unreported....
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Linda,

Edinburgh 08/03/2009 11:27:58
'Dìomhair' (Secret), the UK Governments plot
to derail the SNPs Its Scotlands Oil campaign during the 1970s ­which
appeared earlier this year on BBC Alba, can be seen on BBC iplayer

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/search/?q='D%c3%acomhair'%20(Secret),%20
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oh pedeStriaN laP sheep (anag),

08/03/2009 11:34:36
Have you ever looked into the eyes of a BNP voter? They are demented.

It's very similair to looking into the eyes of an SNP "follower"? (That's what they call themselves)

These people are demented too. Both the BNP and SNP hold their nationalism dear. Both the BNP and the SNP do not believe in sharing resources with your neighbour.

I support free democracy, but the BNP and the SNP are examples of people trying to hijack fairness.
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Donald Black,

08/03/2009 11:36:17
#279

Oooh "Nationalism is dangerous and form the backbone of fascism and communism." Aye right.

Er, BTW, have we not just had your Labour chums wrapping themselves in flags and blethering on about their new-found 'patriotism'.
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oh pedeStriaN laP sheep (anag),

08/03/2009 11:39:12
283 Brownlie/Ayrshire Scot/Peter/Union is best

My "Labour chums", I have no such such chums.

Can you tell me, why do you think making irrelevant krap up contributes to the debate?

The SNP, like it's sister party the BNP, are full of racists who just make stuff up to stereotype their opponents.

Please stop making things up.
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Donald Black,

08/03/2009 11:39:13
#282

BNP=SNP? Pathetic. You saddo unionists really are running out of ideas now.
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oh pedeStriaN laP sheep (anag),

08/03/2009 11:41:44
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The BNP and the SNP do use similair campaigns. Hate your neighbour and have a tattoo of your national flag.
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08/03/2009 11:44:02
#281 Linda are you able to put this on to You Tube??
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Donald Black,

08/03/2009 11:46:31
# 284 "My "Labour chums", I have no such such chums."

My mistake. Given the banal drivel you spout here, I'd guess you have no chums at all.
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08/03/2009 11:46:55
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JT,

08/03/2009 11:51:55
Noone has the right over the saltire, it is for all Scots no matter what political side of the bed you sleep on! #282 so typical of labour being two faced, one minute barking at the Scots that independence is futile and we should be submitting to the union yet when they want something from the Scots people wrap themselves in the Saltire. The Saltire should be flown from all public buildings with pride.
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tommy M,

Scotland 08/03/2009 11:55:46
Labour also moves to erase all trace of the Scottish government efforts to tackle the economic crisis. The link on the UK gov real help now webpage is out of date and previous mentions of the SNP council tax freeze etc have disappeared entirely.i hear it was up for less than 24 hours...
Odd...
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The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 08/03/2009 11:58:26
Some commitment to Scotland when the Deputy PM can't understand what we say? Harperson apparently had to have a "translator" for what was being said at the Dundee conference.

Labour, Saltire, pathetic attempt to steal the SNP's approach. No one is fooled unless it's their usual pathetic votes fodder.
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Donald Black,

08/03/2009 11:58:51
Hey, oh pedeStriaN laP sheep (anag), nobody gives a flying .... who you are. Thick skull and all that.
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Patrick O'Reilly,

Coatbridge 08/03/2009 12:02:44
Over 300 posts about a flag. We Scots really have our priorities right.
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oh pedeStriaN laP sheep (anag),

08/03/2009 12:05:06
The SNP, much like the BNP, use thuggery to discredit their political opponents.

The SNP "follower" (that's what they like to be called) like the BNP member is shameless.

The SNP "follower" gets angry like the BNP member and can lash out.

I condemn the BNP and its sister party the SNP.


(I'm being faked so I know I'm getting to you.)
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tommy M,

Scotland 08/03/2009 12:12:54
Aberdeen council (lib dem and lab) still not flying the saltire for Homecoming?
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Glasgow 08/03/2009 12:15:28
289 Everyone gets faked dear, you haven't arrived if you don't have a fake. The rest of your post is just complete and utter garbage, you really are an idiot the SNP have NOTHING in common with the BNP. For intelligent people that goes without saying.
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The Parly Clerk,

Edinburgh 08/03/2009 12:16:39
Hmmm. This all smacks of Labour desperation. Labour has always been able to use the Saltire, so the question is why do it now? They are scared, scared of losing again and of the SNP's continuing lead over them in the opinion polls, that's why.
They think they lost the last election because they didn't have enough distinctively Scottish policy. They still don't want to have any but don't want to pay the price - losing again. Banging on about the Saltire is the easy option - no policy implications and they can seem a little bit patriotic. But by their deeds shall ye know them.

What about Labour "reclaiming" the Lion Rampant too? A flag too far for the "Scottish" fag-end of UK Labour, methinks.
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Glasgow 08/03/2009 12:21:27
The SNP are a Scottish party. Hence the reason why people associate the saltire with them, if you are into flags (which I am not, it always makes me think of the Eddie Izzard sketch ''do you have a flag?''). The Labour Party put the interests of the UK first, they have no Scottish identity apart from at Scottish conferences. Hence their wobbler about the flag. But you don't actually need flags, so this whole thing is silly.
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Glasgow 08/03/2009 12:24:47
Oh go away and have a lie down troll you are boring the pants off everyone again.
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Glasgow 08/03/2009 12:28:09
27 the SOS, like the Scotsman, is a right-wing rag Fifi haven't you figured that out yet ? So naturally they will have a go at public sector workers and lots of right wing looneys will join in. Some are nationalists, some are unionists, it just goes to prove that being thick is not unique to any one party.
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ExpatBackinScotland,

Carnoustie 08/03/2009 12:36:10
Fi

Your arguement is only valid if an independent scotland followed the same actions as the UK up to the credit crisis and spent the same money.

If we had control of our resourced for a few years before we wouldnt be spending our share of iraw, trident, olympics, crossrail etc etc.

Your arguement is only relevant if Scotland was independent the day it all started, not if it was independent per se.

Truth is, the would we have been better off or wouldnt have been is a hard arguement to win based on things that didnt happen. However, an oil fund (even a small one) a la Norway would have helped us weather the storm better.

I see Iceland is bouncing back quicker than the UK.
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Eve,

Scotland 08/03/2009 12:48:48
Nice to see that the unionist feel they have the need to explain why they are useing the Scottish Saltire on the materials and confrences et al.

I wish they'd just use the flag and stop telling us why they are using the flag. Yes their Scottish, why are they going on about it are they experencing some kind of difficulty getting over this hurdle.

The difrence between Scot Nats and unionists seems to be clear after reading more and more of these types of comments from unionist. The unionist feel the need to explain them selfs as being Scottish, where as the Scot Nats just get on with being Scottish and feel little or no need to explain our Scottishness.
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oh pedeStriaN laP sheep (anag),

08/03/2009 12:51:22
304 Eve

Can you explain the difference between the SNP and the BNP?

Nationalism is a worry.
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Glasgow 08/03/2009 12:54:43
303 Oh stop telling lies you oaf. You are as boring as the troll. The SNP are not a racist party and don't want to throw anyone out of the country. They don't attempt to alienate anyone from anyone else. And they are not a bunch of red-necked moronic thugs either.
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oh pedeStriaN laP sheep (anag),

08/03/2009 13:00:25
The SNP are not racist and do not alienate anyone from others?

Come, come. I know you are a devoted "follower", but you must acknowledge the racist message from the SNP and their attempt to alienate us fro "London" Labour.

You deny that the SNP have a grudge with the English and try and spread that.
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Finnzz,

08/03/2009 13:11:56
To anyone with half a brain, the Saltire is for and belongs to the people of Scotland.

Therefore, to claim the Saltire as a symbol, it is necessary to prove that your actions are for the improvement and betterment of Scotland and its people.

For Labour to lay any claim to the flag is both derogatory and insulting as can easily be seen by their record in Scotland over the last 60 years.
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oh pedeStriaN laP sheep (anag),

08/03/2009 13:13:17
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Can you explain the SNP's claim to the flag in that context?

The BNP claimed the St George. Sadly the SNP respect the BNP and seek to mimmick their racist campaigning.

The SNP and the BNP should be warned off flags.
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Glasgow 08/03/2009 13:15:23
307 Look dearie I'm not a member of the SNP I vote for them tactically. Where I live I have an Asian SNP Councillor, so the idea of them being like the BNP is ridiculous. As for a grudge with the English that is nonsense. Only someone very parochial and narrow minded pays attention to any of that rubbish. People are people full stop. The grudge is with Westminster, it's an institution, and it cares not a jot about Scotland.
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Desmo,

Lumphinnans 08/03/2009 13:19:47
#305 Sheep

Given how risible most,if not all,of your posts are,there may be no point whatsoever in replying to you but here goes.

The SNP want to see Scotland become an independent nation with its own government.

The BNP appear to want to keep England for "the English"

Hope that`s not too complicated for you.
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oh pedeStriaN laP sheep (anag),

08/03/2009 13:20:15
I know the SNP have lots of muslims and asians in their ranks.

But, believe it or not, Asians can be racist towards the English as well.

So the SNP are more devious than the BNP, they recognise my enemy's enemy is my friend.

Asians for independence? That is racist. Should not that be Scots for independence?

These people, like the BNP, refuse to recognise any culture that is not their own. The SNP, asian or not, are racist towards British culture and the English.
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oh pedeStriaN laP sheep (anag),

08/03/2009 13:22:05
312 You wrote:

"The BNP appear to want to keep England for "the English" "


The SNP appear to want to keep Scotland for "the Scottish".

You can see why the BNP and the SNP are so similair in their approach.
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Glasgow 08/03/2009 13:22:15
313 You are just a half-witted troll who wouldn't know a decent argument if it slapped you in the face.

Dismissed.
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oh pedeStriaN laP sheep (anag),

08/03/2009 13:24:19
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It is very common for those losing the argument to claim the other is a troll.

The SNP are racist, you can't deny it.
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bluepict,

08/03/2009 13:26:44
Rab #54 While the Homecomming advert may be a wee bit over done, I don't find anything that relates to Scotland "cringworthy"
Well...... except for so called Scots Unionist who are happy to keep slavering after thier engilsh masters. Now THAT is TRULY cringeworthy!
After Independence I am all for these erm Scots to be offered the opportunity to apply for english citizenship.
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Glasgow 08/03/2009 13:26:53
316 You have zero evidence to support your trolling assertions. Diddley squat. Keep on posting your rubbishy lies dear, it is obvious to all that you are whistling dixie.
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dude,

wishy 08/03/2009 13:30:41
sheep

Can you tell the difference between British nationalists and Scottish nationalists.

British nationalsts being supporters of the union and wanting Scotland to be subservient to England, the largest and dominant union member!

Scottish nationalists being supporters of Scottish self determination and an equal status!
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oh pedeStriaN laP sheep (anag),

08/03/2009 13:30:48
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Asians for independence.

Whites for UK independence from europe.

One gets branded racist, the other doesn't. If one is racist, they both are. Or maybe neither is racist, I don't believe that.

But they are the same idea, so deserve to be treated with equal contempt.

The SNP have racist elements akin to the BNP. A vote from a closet racist is still a vote. The SNP and BNP's mantra.
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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 08/03/2009 13:31:27
Just like the insincere and belated conversion of the Scottish branch of the Conservative (and Unionist) Party of Great Britain to all things tartan, the rise of Nationalism has also compelled the Labour Parliamentary Group at the Scottish Parliament to change tack?

However, according to the party website, there is no such thing as a SCOTTISH Labour Party, which is only a "regional" branch of the Labour Party of Great Britain.

In his conference address, the leader of the Labour Parliamentary Group claims that he has turned the Scottish Branch of the party around, and looks foward to regaining a majority of seat at the next Scottish Parliament Elections?

The leader of the Scottish Branch of the Labour Party forgets that his party has NEVER had a majority of seats at previous Holyrood elections, and had to rely on a loose coalition with the Scottish Branch of the British Liberal-Democrats!

The leader of the Labour Parliamentary Group at Holyrood is speaking like an unelected party delegate of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR!

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dude,

wishy 08/03/2009 13:34:20
Then you have the BNP who are white supremists and predominantly English, the BNP even tried to recruit outside Ibrox, given the views of a lot of their supporters they must have thought they would get a few signed up, they did not want to know.
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Glasgow 08/03/2009 13:37:23
322 Look Mr Half-wit it's Scots Asians for Independence. That may be a complicated concept for someone with half a brain but that is what the group are called. Donkey.
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wishy 08/03/2009 13:38:41
Well sheep if you put the SNP in with the BNP you also need to throw is all the British nationalist parties up here in Scotland, labour, tory lib/dem then by your thinking are all racist
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Glasgow 08/03/2009 13:39:35
324 Yes the BNP have been chased every time they show their faces here, and long may that continue.
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Desmo,

Lumphinnans 08/03/2009 13:42:32
#316 Sheep

Do you honestly believe that the posts you put up on this board advance your cause.

The SNP have never "laid claim" to the Saltire.

They use it because they are people who put Scotland`s interests first.

The problem for Labour is that when Scotlands interests conflict with Westminsters interests,they will dutifully and unfailingly stand up for Westminster first and Scotland`s interests get booted into the long grass.
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oh pedeStriaN laP sheep (anag),

08/03/2009 13:46:04
"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CvAS49150E&feature=related"

That is Britishness. Marvelous.

You will never find that excilerating because your mind is closed.
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Ginger Nuts,

08/03/2009 13:53:00
Yes! About time, that the SNP were told to leave the symbols of the nation alone. The SNP have been hijacking our flag for years, such is the extremist game that all types of Nationalists play.

Flying the Saltire is the right of any Scot - irrespective of any political viewpoint.

About time also that the Gnatz were asked to explain how it is they imagine that they alone 'own' the National football team, National Rugby team, and all of Scottish history.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 08/03/2009 13:55:18
Jeezo as if the sheep-troll is not bad enough now ginger nuts turns up. Trolls R Us must have a franchise.
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Glasgow 08/03/2009 13:57:47
ginger nuts ''the extremist game that all types of nationalists play''.

This is the heart of their ''argument''. Nationalism is wrong..........just because it is. No room for pragmatic or reasonable thought or argument. Just trolls.
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dude,

wishy 08/03/2009 13:59:08
sheep
ginger

if labour had the word Scottish in their name they would not need to reclaim anything, the fact is they are not a Scottish party but a british one, funny that nearly 85% of the population questioned say they are Scottish.

The SNP are unashamedly Scottish whereas labour are being dragged screeming into the new era of politics in Scotland with utter rubbish initiatives like this, a sorry sight to see for all the real socialists in Scotland.

Labour Scotlands real shame
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Ginger Nuts,

08/03/2009 14:01:36
337. Hey idiot, we are all Scottish. No one owns the nations flag, football team, rugby team, history etc...

The SNP have only been around about 80 years they own nothing and no part of history.
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oh pedeStriaN laP sheep (anag),

08/03/2009 14:03:59
The old 85% argument.

100% need to eat in the UK, we can find consensus on that.

100% need safe streets etc.

The thing you hate is democracy and consensus, you like the BNP need to be in total control.

Everyone gets 1 vote except you who needs 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,006 because you think your special.

Truth is that you're a fat window licker with a purple face whose fat stinking wife serves a fish slice. Get that through your thick f_kcing skull.
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Glasgow 08/03/2009 14:04:35
341 Labour have different faces for different locations. So we saw the (sickening) speech by Brown claiming roots in the mining communities in Fife, which he would never repeat down South where he poses as the heir of Thatcher, the mortal enemy of the mining communities. He, and they, are two-faced Janus poseurs. They have no core philosophy, everything they do is based on expediency and the audience they are addressing, they have no ethics, no morality, and no principles. That is why they are reduced to arguing about flags.
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Glasgow 08/03/2009 14:06:27
343 Labour have been around for 108 years, the tories and Liberals a lot longer, and all of them have failed. So your point is caller ?
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radge dug,

08/03/2009 14:06:32
Why aren't Labour proud to fly the UJ? They claim to be Unionist but at Scottish elections they try and talk up their 'Scottish' credentials. The UJ is nowhere to be seen on Labour party propaganda. Strange.

Labour and Unionist Party of Great Britain. NOw that would honest.
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Ginger Nuts,

08/03/2009 14:07:37
348. Are you stupid? The SNP have been around only around 80 years, that a fact. Push off you brain-washed little gnatzi.
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radge dug,

08/03/2009 14:07:47
#349 - was Mandela a facsist? Were the Sandanistas? What about Labour and Tory- British Nats?

Your arguments are a bit infantile.
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Glasgow 08/03/2009 14:08:02
349 Gandhi was a fascist ? News to me.
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Ginger Nuts,

08/03/2009 14:08:59
351. That's Union Flag actually. BTW, how dare you pidgeon hole anyone and tell them what flag they should fly?
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Ginger Nuts,

08/03/2009 14:09:50
349. Alex Salmond is hardly Gandhi. You are very very deluded.
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Glasgow 08/03/2009 14:11:15
359 Sign back on with your sheep moniker, yu were funnier then.

You stated that all nationalism is fascism, you have been proven to be in the wrong.
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Ginger Nuts,

08/03/2009 14:12:11
350. Duh, my point is that none of those other parties hijack the nation's flag, battles, football team as their own.

The question is not what is my point, the question is what is your excuse for your racist party to do this at the exclusion of all other Scots who vote against them (most thinking that the SNP are utter jerks).
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Glasgow 08/03/2009 14:14:40
363 If people choose to associate the saltire with the SNP then you need to ask yourself why. Perhaps it's because they are a Scottish party who put Scotland's interests first, as opposed to that of the UK. That is not a fascist argument, it is a realistic one.
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08/03/2009 14:14:55
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"I have no "cause". Did you learn that word from Irish terrorists? The reason you use that word and "unionists" so much betrays your mentality.

The SNP "followers" on these boards where argentine football shirts and are pleased when British soldiers get killed.

It disgusts me."



Speaking as a former soldier and the father of a serviceman, your words offend and revolt me. The utter deperation of the Unionist cabal is evident by your being allowed to continue with your filth on these forums. You and you vermin do more for the SNP than anyone can.

I would really love to meet you to see if you are as brave eyeball to eyeball as you are hiding behind your keyboard you rancid piece of hyena dung.

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Ginger Nuts,

08/03/2009 14:15:32
All Nationalism is FASCISM. Anyone who hijacks the nations flag, history and culture, as their own is very much a fascist.

The SNP have absolutely no right to do this. It is no different from the BNP having hijacked the Union Flag and claimed it as their own. It is disgusting to see this done by any political party. When it comes to this kind of racist arrogance - a slap in the face is a good cure.
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oh pedeStriaN laP sheep (anag),

08/03/2009 14:15:49
363 Ginger nuts

You claim that no other party hijacks a flag like the SNP. That is not true, the BNP do that to.

The SNP respect the BNP and use the same tactics in the media.
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Eve,

Scotland Bonnie Scotland 08/03/2009 14:16:22
#305 sheep(anag): I don't know much about the BNP, appart form the past haterated toward people who they see as diffrent form them, of which has turn violent far too many times in the past.

I know about the SNP have been aware of the policeys and opions for many years now. And I can honisetly say that the SNP are anti-violence and have never suffered from Xenophia. It's all about wanting Scotland to ruled by Scotland - It's a simple request.
Anyone who wants to live in Scotland is welcome to stay.
I belive the BNP don't feel that way!!

The SNP are a left of centre party.
The BNP are a far right winged party. The only ture similarity is the "NP" in the names but I'm geussing you already know that and are just trying to stir up trouble.


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Ginger Nuts,

08/03/2009 14:18:24
372. So let's get this straight, are you claiming that because the BNP have hijacked the Union Flag, that it is somehow acceptable, and ok for the SNP to do the same and hijack the Saltire?

NEITHER BUNCH OF NATIONALISTS HAS THE RIGHT TO HIJACK A NATION'S FLAG AND USE IT AS THEIR OWN.
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Glasgow 08/03/2009 14:19:05
371 ALL parties use the saltire. ALL parties campaign on the basis that they are Scottish and put Scotland's interests first. The fact that you claim that the SNP have ''hijacked'' the flag means that you believe that the public associate the flag with the SNP and only with them. Have a wee think about that dear, there is an obvious conclusion.
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Ginger Nuts,

08/03/2009 14:19:21
354. The SNP are not a left of center party. Alex Salmond is an out and out Tory and always has been.
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Ginger Nuts,

08/03/2009 14:20:55
357. Well wrong! The Saltire belongs to every Scot irrespective of his/her political view.

It most definitely does not belong to ANY political party, and most definitely not to a party which Scotland ALWAYS rejects at the ballot box - namely the SNP.
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Ginger Nuts,

08/03/2009 14:22:24
362. Absolutely! The SNP worked with the Nazi's which resulted in their leader being stuck in Barlinnie Prison during the war. They still have the SnG lurking in their branches, although the SnG are pitiful wannabe tartan terrorists.
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Glasgow 08/03/2009 14:22:27
361 Utter mince.

357 No one has a monoply on the saltire. Your rage is because people CHOOSE to associate it with the SNP and not the unionist parties. Get over it.
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Glasgow 08/03/2009 14:23:35
366 That is utterly pathetic even from a gutter troll like you. Hang your head in shame.
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Ginger Nuts,

08/03/2009 14:28:02
376. Are you completely thick? The SNP leader during the war was imprisoned for having secret meetings with Nazi agents. He spent time in Barlinnie for his crime.
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Ginger Nuts,

08/03/2009 14:29:34
The SNP's WWII Nazi connection is easily googled. Interesting that they are eager to whitewash out that bit of their sinister history. Doesn't remove the fact that one of their MSP's in Edinburgh is the son of an alleged Nazi war criminal. I rest my case...
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ExpatBackinScotland,

Carnoustie 08/03/2009 14:31:10
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312 You wrote:

"The BNP appear to want to keep England for "the English" "


The SNP appear to want to keep Scotland for "the Scottish".

You can see why the BNP and the SNP are so similair in their approach.....

The SNP dont want Scotland for "the scottish" but the "people of scotland" any race, creed, colour or nationality. The BNP is a racist organisation that wants only england "for the white english".

To compare both in the same light is grossly misleading, as well you know. There are no black and asian BNP members, but there are English members of the SNP (My father is English so Im included in that).

The SNP want the nation of scotland to run its own affiars, not to kick out anyone ion independence day.
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Glasgow 08/03/2009 14:31:39
377 Nope I am not a brain-washed anything. You are a buffoon who is reduced to making his political argument based on postings on a newspaper web-site. The SNP have not hijacked anything that is ''remotely Scottish'', the fact is that they are Scottish in the ways that the unionist parties are not. That is not akin to fascism it is a political reality that you need to deal with. Do you count the Greens and the Socialists as fascist because they too support independence, or is it only the electorally more successful SNP that you choose to slander ?
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Neil Waugh,

OLd Strathcona 08/03/2009 14:32:19
How pathetically transparent.
Wave a flag and all Labour's anti-Scots policies will instantly disappear.
These people really are lost at sea.
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England 08/03/2009 14:32:23
17. The Union Jack is a scottish flag - designed through oor auld king James - The Lion Rampant is a Scottish Flag from king David and the Saltire is from St Andrews Cross, Scotlands Patron, In England they have the red cross cause historically they are goin’ home in ambulances when they invade Scotland!

Is that a threat? It is so unlike a Scot to be racist aggressive - Not.
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Glasgow 08/03/2009 14:33:23
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Ginger Nuts,

08/03/2009 14:34:24
383. I suppose in the madness that is akin to supporting the SNP 30% (which is a doubtful figure in itself) is somehow greater than 70%. The Majority of Scots Voters ALWAYS reject the SNP at the ballot box and always will. Now push off with your fascist comments.
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Glasgow 08/03/2009 14:35:21
385 What is it about idiotic trolls that they can't spell ? Is it part of their mental condition ? Nazies ?
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Ginger Nuts,

08/03/2009 14:36:12
394. You are the idiot here, you prove it with ever posting. BTW, I'd rather be thought an idiot, than a deluded racist buffoon like all SNP gNatzi's.
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Glasgow 08/03/2009 14:37:05
396 Oh give it a rest with the fascist nonsense. Don't you have any substantive point to make ? Go and dunk yourself.
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Ginger Nuts,

08/03/2009 14:38:06
oh pedeStrian, something in what you say. Have you noticed that the SNP make a point of going overboard on Islam and Palestine, but never ever consider the viewpoint of the Jews or the feelings of Jews in Scotland?
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Glasgow 08/03/2009 14:39:25
399 I wasn't actually addressing you but if you want to volunteer to be an idiot that is cool.
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Ginger Nuts,

08/03/2009 14:40:48
Curious isn't it why the most deranged and racist Nationalists on these boards are typically not Scots or even in Scotland. Makes you think and wonder why that is.
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Finnzz,

08/03/2009 14:40:49
#377 Ginger Nuts

Yes, The SNP certainly identify with everything Scottish.

let me elucidate, the 'S' stands for Scottish.

Got that! Good, now move along to some other topic. This one is obviously too complicated for you.
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Glasgow 08/03/2009 14:42:20
410 What does that mean ? What is your definition of Scots ? Do you exclude people ? That's shocking.
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Eve,

Scotland 08/03/2009 14:42:56
#361 Ginger Nuts: Yer funny!!! You do realise that the SNP campaigned agaist tory preopsals such as the poll tax.

#362 Mr anag: Is there anything ye write that isn't an anagram?

You appear to have some sort of weird conspercay theroy going on their about the SNP. Where on earth do you get yer information form!!!!!!!
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Ginger Nuts,

08/03/2009 14:43:17
409 Canes Pugnaces,08/03/2009 14:40:11

"The question is what did the 70% of voters actually vote for."

THEY VOTED AGAINST THE SNP THAT'S WHAT MATTERS! THEY VOTED IN FAVOUR OF THE UNION.

No matter the SNP are finished after their recent attack on alcohol and other civil liberties. Next election the SNP are history.
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Glasgow 08/03/2009 14:45:45
419 I am a she not a he. That is the only point of your ludicrous post that needs clarified. You're an idiot.
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Ginger Nuts,

08/03/2009 14:46:55
416. The SNP are very much Tories. Salmond has admitted to admiring Thatcher's policies at a time when Scotland was in the gutter. Salmond it a Tory. Salmond is the SNP. Der party ist Salmond, to paraphrase the quotation of Rudolph Hess from Triumph of the Will.
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Eve,

Scotland 08/03/2009 14:47:06
#410 Ginger Nuts: Now yer writing anagrams!

How do you now where people live or are whileon this website? Do you have some mad way of finding these things out is so I dare you to Have geuss where I'm typing for the day?
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Sanny,

08/03/2009 14:47:08
34 Dark Lochnagar
Unfortunately for those of us not in the UK, we cannot view any BBC Programmes – They’re Blocked by the BBC. I would be most grateful if someone could direct me to where I can view these programmes during my period in Europe.
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Ginger Nuts,

08/03/2009 14:48:00
I'ts fun when you know you have the SNP rattled on here. They start to troll and behave like jerks. :-)
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Glasgow 08/03/2009 14:48:34
429 LOL. You are actually a bigger waste of space than our mental troll.
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Ginger Nuts,

08/03/2009 14:50:12
Pugnaces person, not only do I not answer you, I can't be bothered to read your ravings. Mostly since you are not actually Scottish, so why should I listen to you dictate how my country should be run, or that a minority opinion should have the upper hand. Now run along and attend to your own countries politics, there's a good foreigner.
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Ginger Nuts,

08/03/2009 14:52:36
432. It's easy to watch the BBC from anywhere, go look at Youtube. there are several solutions. All Iplayerdoes is check your IP address, duh too easy.
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oh pedeStriaN laP sheep (anag),

08/03/2009 14:55:45
Observer

You've started faking me again so I can assume you're annoyed.

But, as I've done it, I challenge you to condemn the Nazis, the IRA, the BNP and the SNP.

The SNP has supported them all in its history, do you have enough guts to tell us how you really feel?
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Sanny,

08/03/2009 14:55:52
429 Ginger Nuts,08/03/2009 14:46:55

I don’t know about the Ginger bit but you are certainly nuts!
I am a Nationalist at heart and will vote for the Nationalist cause, but I do not support the SNP, simply because they are too left wing! Have a hard look at their general manifesto and tell me where it is to the Right!
As said previously Absolutely nuts.
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Ginger Nuts,

08/03/2009 14:59:29
454 Sanny, I've read the SNP Manifesto. So when is your party going to live up to it? It's all bs and you know it.
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Glasgow 08/03/2009 14:59:58
453 I don't fake anyone. As a person who qualified to be gassed by the Nazis I don't really have a lot of time for them. The BNP I despise. The IRA ? I do not support terrorism but I understand why they did it. The SNP are a peaceful democratic party so why the hell should I condemn them. You are and remain an idiot. Goodbye.
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Ginger Nuts,

08/03/2009 15:00:33
As I said, you know when the SNP trolls don't like a topic, they do their utmost to disrupt the flow. it's pathetich. :-)
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Ginger Nuts,

08/03/2009 15:01:15
Scottish Natzi Troll Party. :-)
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Ginger Nuts,

08/03/2009 15:03:12
466. You are very deluded. The SNP are finished now anyway. :-)
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Sanny,

08/03/2009 15:03:59
453oh pedeStriaN laP sheep (anag),08/03/2009 14:55:45

Please change the record. Your distorted view of the world does not impress anybody. It simply show you to be the cretin you are!! Get a life man!!
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Glasgow 08/03/2009 15:04:05
470 Yes.
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Eve,

Scotland 08/03/2009 15:04:13
#444 funny_newspaper: Thats good cause that would be a waste of electristy!! Thinking about yer carbon foot print on that one!!
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Ginger Nuts,

08/03/2009 15:04:56
471. You are the coward. You dish out your insults from behind a keyboard.

Pugnaces is spook in leith.
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Glasgow 08/03/2009 15:05:58
476 Idiot posting style is completely different.
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Ginger Nuts,

08/03/2009 15:06:30
Observer is Miss H.
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Ginger Nuts,

08/03/2009 15:07:32
Pugnaces is Wardog and Spook in Leith. It's all the same sad stupid guy people, wake up!
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Glasgow 08/03/2009 15:07:35
480 Thanks for the compliment, idiot.
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Glasgow 08/03/2009 15:09:09
''Pugnaces is Wardog'' No !!!! Oh that's it I am going to vote unionist:-)
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Observer,,

Glasgow 08/03/2009 15:09:54
Does anyone else see the comparison between the SNP and the Pope covering up peadophilia?


No.
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Ginger Nuts,

08/03/2009 15:10:29
482. No compliment, when I compare one brain-washed idiot to another. How is Springburn these days anyway? Still blogging I see.
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Ginger Nuts,

08/03/2009 15:11:36
483. Yes makes perfect sense to me. :-) The SNP like to hide their nasty past.
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Glasgow 08/03/2009 15:13:16
486 Am I Miss H or Anne McLaughlin ? I think I should be told.
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Ginger Nuts,

08/03/2009 15:14:48
Then there was the SNP PPC who was a Transsexual and former TV who ran away with his employers money. Funny that they don't say much about him/her these days.
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Ginger Nuts,

08/03/2009 15:15:52
489. So UKIP aren't right-wing Nazi's on a par with the BNP? LOL. Jeez where do they find these guys?
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Glasgow 08/03/2009 15:16:23
490 Deary me prejudice towards the trans-gendered. Shocking.
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European Scot,

08/03/2009 15:17:04
481 Ginger Nuts

This is not a credible moniker, it suggests you've already reached puberty.
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Ginger Nuts,

08/03/2009 15:17:15
486. You tell us. :-) Why not come clean for once, even though the Nats don't often do that kind of thing.
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Glasgow 08/03/2009 15:19:03
494 I am a mere Observer having a laugh at unionist trolls. I quite like political argument, but you lot aren't very good at it.
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Ginger Nuts,

08/03/2009 15:19:04
493. Whatever you say rushboy.
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Lance Boyle,

Linlithgow 08/03/2009 15:19:48
Pantone 300 ya bass.
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Ginger Nuts,

08/03/2009 15:20:46
496. It has nothing to do with Latin, it is to do with his broken English and inability to type in acceptable standard of English. I imagine he hasn't completed his TOEFL course yet.
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Ginger Nuts,

08/03/2009 15:23:40
Usual child-like little cyber Gnatz on the boards today. Oh well going to watch the telly now, since I can't be bothered talking to racists and divisive people. :-)
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Observer,,

Glasgow 08/03/2009 15:23:43
501 Woo hoo in the absence of argument point to typos. Well I'm guilty of that myself, but that's because unionists don't seem to have any arguments, unlike Wardog.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 08/03/2009 15:24:34
502 We accept your surrender, bye now.
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oh pedeStriaN laP sheep (anag),

08/03/2009 15:24:47
Observer

Are your pants on fire.

Don't you find ity a bit embarassing that a fully grown man with Nazi sympathies and who "understands why the IRA did it" is sitting at home pretending to be a woman on a political news site.

Obviously you'll post again pretending to be a woman, but you'll know the truth. What a wacko.

By the way, I think it's disgusting that you posted supporting the catholic church covering up peadophilia. I reported it and am glad it has been removed.
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Sanny,

08/03/2009 15:28:22
462 Ginger Nuts,08/03/2009 14:59:29

You may have read a manifesto or manifesto’s but did you understand it or them? The reason I ask is that you obviously failed to comprehend the simple expression “I do not support the SNP”. It is a very simple statement which I would expect a schoolchild to understand. Certainly much more simple than any political manifesto or even leaflet.

It is also worthy of note that I did not say or otherwise indicate which Party, if any, I did support! Am I to assume you have divining powers denied to the rest of we poor mortals?
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Glasgow 08/03/2009 15:28:47
506 Stop being silly. Try and post something on the story if you can. Your weird and wacky theories won't impress anyone you know. And comparing the SNP to paedophiles is not on, you silly man.
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Glasgow 08/03/2009 15:33:09
512 He lives with his mum. You missed that bit out.
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Glasgow 08/03/2009 16:02:06
519 Poor spelling appears to be part of the mental disorder that trolls suffer from. It's a shame for them really.
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oh pedeStriaN laP sheep (anag),

08/03/2009 16:10:47
I think the Natsies have lost the argument today. There has been some well supported allegation, nay charge, of racism, peadophilia, fascism, but above all it was observers remark that *she* respects both the BNP and the IRA and she hopes the SNP would come clean and take the hardline.

None of these charges have been refuted. Although the one thing we were agreed on was that the SNP had nazi sympathies during WWII and the SNP are still proud of that.

Shameful.
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Gussie Fink-Nottle,

08/03/2009 16:13:07
#199 Tam O'Shanter, not prefer a mutant tablecloth?
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Conan the Librarian™,

08/03/2009 16:13:44
519
What's the matter with liking peas?

Zingiber testis, qui me amat, amet et canem meum.
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Glasgow 08/03/2009 16:18:03
523 Stop lying through your teeth you stupid man. I despise the BNP that is a matter of record and as for the allegations of racism, paedophilia, and fascism they are things that you have made up because you are a certifiable idiot. If you are going to troll at least have the courtesey to do it properly.
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Westfield Bairns,

SNP - SCOTLANDS PARTY 08/03/2009 16:43:27
Everone knows the Labour Party are an ANTI SCOTTISH Unionist Party and that the SNP are the ONLY SCOTTISH PARTY, quite simple really.
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oh pedeStriaN laP sheep (anag),

08/03/2009 17:02:18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl8etDqvvmQ

Superb. Very moving. "This is England".
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Desmo,

Lumphinnans 08/03/2009 17:07:46
Well Ian Grey and Jim Murphy can sleep well tonight,safe in the knowledge that their union is being protected,in cyberspace at least,by some of the finest minds and the most erudite individuals who come on here.

Seriously,what must they think,when they see the stuff posted by their supporters,or should that be activists,on these forums ?
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Glasgow 08/03/2009 17:13:08
537 Well today's activities have put paid to the rumour that certain posters are paid to post, as far as I am concerned. Surely no-one could be paid for coming out with the garbage that we have read today. From a rather silly article about a flag we have been treated to statements such as all nationalism equals fascism, and on a personel level I am apparently a man. Idiotic stuff, just nonsense.
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Eve,

Scotland 08/03/2009 17:29:31
I don't understand them, I think they wright in anograms! May be if letters where completly rearanged in to a certain order and sequence their comment would be intersting and they might have valied point. I say this in hope that their no really like they way their coming across.
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brownlie,

08/03/2009 17:31:24
538 Observer

The more stupid and outrageous the post the more likely to get a response. Check the number of posts in reply to the apparently obsessed troll.
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Gussie Fink-Nottle,

08/03/2009 17:38:31
For all you Unionist slingers of mud who have only ad hominem attacks in your arsenal, here is how many of us see the SNP. Fight us with debate, not pathetic propaganda worthy of the gutter.

"The SNP's nationalism is based on citizenship, rather than on ethnicity, religion, or language, and is pro-immigration; quite different from many national movements."

H.D.S. Greenway
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Eve,

Scotland 08/03/2009 17:44:47
#537 Desmo: Intersting way of suming things up.

I think they feel hurt because they want the Scot Nats to say that the flag belongs to the SNP and everyone who suports Scottish independence BUT no one has serouley said it because no one thinks that expect the unionist them selfs.

It's so sad that they want to argue over a flag. Personaly I think the more place flying the Saltire flag the better. It should be flowen in more place than it currently is.
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Faux Cul,

08/03/2009 17:52:08
Sheepshagger (anag)

Just popped over the border for some sangria and jamón to find that the lunatics have taken over the asylum

Just caught up on your puerile vacuous posts.

You are a waste of bandwith and an oxygen thief!

Now búgger off, go play in the traffic and let adults got on with the serious business of slaughtering the ZaNuLab traitors, thank you very much!
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Faux Cul,

08/03/2009 17:54:39


Rearrange these words into a well known phrase of saying.

Posters today idiots are Unionist.
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Faux Cul,

08/03/2009 17:56:04
More than likely posting from The Caird Hall Bar today; no sushi bar in Dundee, apparently.
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Eve,

Scotland 08/03/2009 17:57:12
#521 Traquir , Alba,: Aye, It's a fasanating documentry, shocking how low some unionist went. Makes you wonder what their up to at the moment?

Shame the screen was so small, made it a wee bit sore on the eyes, when trying to read the sub-titels. Though the pause buton came in handy.
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Faux Cul,

08/03/2009 18:00:58
Wardog = perro caliente = chien de combat = hound of the Labour baskets
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Faux Cul,

08/03/2009 18:02:14
Why is the time clock on these posts out by 6 minutes?
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TWC,

ex Labour 08/03/2009 18:06:36
Murphy's a talkin' head, nobody has ever stopped him from using the Saltire. Labour were too busy being north British so they kept well away from it.
Now the jackets are on shaky pegs they are trying to look Scottish
Well you'll have to earn the respect you've lost Start by giving Holyrood control over the Oil revenues

and fix this
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00g8hg3/Diomhair/
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Edward,

08/03/2009 18:13:36
Brown is finished - Its emerging that the dear leader tried to have a square go at 37,000 feet with the journalists on board the flight from Washington, only quelled by some ar@e licker from the Guardian.
Also noticed the Caird Hall wasnt exactly packed!
Watched Politics Show with Glen Campbell (who was his uselessness at turning any decent questions) Showed some speeches form the usual suspects camera kept panning accross the audience,upper circle empty and main part very sparse with the faithfull sitting apart as if they all had a bad smell and no one wanted to sit together!. I think the earlier figire of 500 may even perhaps be on the optimistic side!
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Edward,

08/03/2009 18:16:34
#553 TWC,ex Labour
Try this
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00g8hg3
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tinyurl.com/dk73mb,

08/03/2009 19:31:09
#557 If I could add some Rumsfield poetry to add some clarity to that post you may have made but did not know it:

Happenings
You're going to be told lots of things.
You get told things every day that don't happen.

It doesn't seem to bother people, they don't—
It's printed in the press.
The world thinks all these things happen.
They never happened.

Everyone's so eager to get the story
Before in fact the story's there
That the world is constantly being fed
Things that haven't happened.

All I can tell you is,
It hasn't happened.
It's going to happen.

—Feb. 28, 2003, Department of Defense briefing
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tinyurl.com/dk73mb,

08/03/2009 19:33:28
What you need to understand is that...........

The Unknown
As we know,
There are known knowns.
There are things we know we know.
We also know
There are known unknowns.
That is to say
We know there are some things
We do not know.
But there are also unknown unknowns,
The ones we don't know
We don't know.

—Feb. 12, 2002, Department of Defense news briefing
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Glasgow 08/03/2009 19:52:30
543 On a side note that's what puzzles me about the Herald. Posting on that was far better, because the original articles were better and actually gave you something to get your teeth into. They now seem to discourage any posting at all, which seems to go against the notion that loads of posts = advertising revenue. It's a puzzle.

I think it far more likely that the trolls are Johnstone Press workers rather than Labour activists. If that's true then I would like a job like that. I would make a much better job of winding people up and fling in a few jokes for good measure.
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Glasgow 08/03/2009 19:59:14
544 Oh I don't knoiw about that, some of the best posts I read are in rebuttal. So if the trolls are anti-independence then they are wasting their time.
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Alba Abú,

Saltire.The flag of Alba. 08/03/2009 20:02:51
Now! lets get this straight.......
A Scottish loyalist labour party,loyal to an English queen and a government in England,is claiming the flag of Scotland as its own? Haaaaa Haaaaaa haaaaaaa haaaaaa! You couldnt make it up!
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 08/03/2009 20:03:45
Hilarious article. As has been said, nobody has tried to claim the saltire before- which is not exclusive to Scotland - but for Labour to try to hijack it with a media induced fanfare is absurd.

Shall we put the Labour label on the back of a jar and list its ingredients in descending order under the trades description act etc?

There is no Scottish Labour Party. There is no leader of the non existent Scottish Labour Party.

So where does the saltire come into it? Ah! A logo for the Scottish branch perhaps? Would it not be more honest to deign a saltire with a red rose superimposed on top of it in a dominant position?

The Scots are, after all, used to something red being superimposed in a dominant position over our flag.
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Alba Abú,

08/03/2009 20:07:09
#536...The north east of Ireland is not a nation.
It is part of the nation called Ireland it always was and always will be,in spite of the smoke and mirrors.
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568 Oh Lord you will get the trolls back on again with that one....
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tinyurl.com/dk73mb,

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Observer,,
Glasgow 08/03/2009 19:52:30



100% correct. Or for Johnston Press read MI5.
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tinyurl.com/dk73mb,

08/03/2009 20:12:00
Once in a while,
I'm standing here, doing something.
And I think,
"What in the world am I doing here?"
It's a big surprise.
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tinyurl.com/dk73mb,

08/03/2009 20:12:41
The Situation
Things will not be necessarily continuous.
The fact that they are something other than perfectly continuous
Ought not to be characterized as a pause.
There will be some things that people will see.
There will be some things that people won't see.
And life goes on.

—Oct. 12, 2001, Department of Defense news briefing
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karin.m,

08/03/2009 20:22:58
right i have just read the headline couldnt be bothered with the rest of it....

am i too assume that someone was oot on a drunken night oot and stole jim murphys saltire that he does a nice wee cabaret number with at the christmas party.

Am i also to assume its the same guy that keeps sticking the traffic cone on top of wellingtons heid in george square.

i have a solution give jim murphy the cone to cover his nether regions....it might improve his self esteem ive seen the cabaret.
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karin.m,

08/03/2009 20:25:15
oh burger ive just remembered that last night we got drunk and crashed the labour party cabaret......i had a flag the next morning.........ew.........
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 08/03/2009 20:25:26
568, ColB. It depends on who you mean by they.

The German for it is Arschlöchern.
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karin.m,

08/03/2009 20:29:41
hello col sir.

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karin.m,

08/03/2009 20:30:48
the standard of unionists has decreased over the past year and a half. they get more brainless by the day.

you used to at least be able to spar with them.
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karin.m,

08/03/2009 20:32:20
did anyoen see the times is reporting that the lib dems think they will go into coalition with the snp after the next election.

i laughed so much my sides hurt.
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Phil C,

08/03/2009 20:37:26
The Saltire is the flag for everyone who is for Scotland. Labour lost the right many years ago to use the flag as they did so much harm to our country. It's time they fought harder for their country to deserve being pardoned for their crimes. I won't hold my breath!
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 08/03/2009 20:37:51
583, karin.m.

Are the LibDems not in a coalition with Labour and Tory at Holyrood at the moment? Is there a revolving door on their closet?

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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 08/03/2009 20:41:16
584. Correct in your assumption, ColB.

Loch is the same meaning in German = hole. In the German plural the ö and the n are added.
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karin.m,

08/03/2009 20:41:28
587 are you not attending the piano bar these days col?

586 i know as i said i laughed ive just calmed down.
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Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 08/03/2009 20:44:06
karin@586. Forgot to add that the LibDems appear to live in a closet and will do anything for their own convenience.
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karin.m,

08/03/2009 20:48:36
where is everyone tonight.

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Eve,

Scotland 08/03/2009 20:54:02
#583 karin.m: No!! Have they changed their stance on the referdum frount since Thursday?

Or is it a case of out of thought doesnae exists!!

The Lib Dems appear to change their mind about things every 5mins, it's very confuseing makes people wonder who the H*** are the Lib Dems. At least they've no been mentioned in this artcle nonice about flags. Thats one postive thing about them.
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Brian Hill,

08/03/2009 21:27:43
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/search/Diomhair'%20(Secret),%20

Only the dead and dying will not be shocked by the last 20 minutes of this excellent documentary showing the Unionist Governments and Civil Servants deliberately lying and cheating to hide the facts of the true wealth and vast amounts of Scottish Oil and Gas.

In 1977 they even plotted to drastically change the border at Berwick so that it ran upwards at a sharp angle which would have put many of our Oil and Gas fields in 'English' waters.

I dare unionists to read it and not feel shame!
That dare applies to the Scotsman too. Excellent article there for some young reporter with blood coursing through his/her veins instead of cald tea.
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karin.m,

08/03/2009 21:37:25
hands up anyone who when they saw the picture of mandelson that that they thought he had just burst a blood vessel.
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The Sprucer,

09/03/2009 14:59:10
Unbelievable! They want The Saltire AND The Onion Jack?
429

salmondella,

UK 09/03/2009 16:01:07
There is only one flag that I recognise - the Red Flag.
430

JoeMiddleton,

Edinburgh 09/03/2009 16:51:02
What utter dross. Labour chose their flag of preference many years ago and it's not the Saltire!

Everything they do shows that they put the interests of Britain before Scotland, while with the SNP it's the exact opposite.

No doubt they are realising that their unionism is a turn off to voters but they can't just turn around and say 'we're really Scottish now' when at the same time they constantly prove by their actions that they are really London controlled puppets.
431

JoeMiddleton,

Edinburgh 10/03/2009 14:41:15
This reaches levels of 'black is white' newspeak thinking only dreamt of by George Orwell in his prescient novel 1984.

Labour chose their flag of preference many years ago. Gordon 'British Jobs for British Workers' Brown has been desperate to wave the Union Jack at every opportunity, probably to cover up his inconvenient Scots identity which he sees as a vote loser in England.

At the same time Labour in Scotland have shown themselves wholly embarassed by the Saltire to the extent that MSP George Foulkes recently complained that it was a nationalist plot when Scotrail put the Saltire on their trains!

No doubt Labour are belatedly realising that their British unionism is something of a turn off to voters but they can't just turn around and say 'we're really Scottish now' when at the same time they constantly prove by their actions that they are controlled from London.

The Saltire is undoubtedly all of Scotland's flag and Labour are of course welcome to wave it. However they should not believe their efforts to give their party a fresh coat of blue and white paint will be any more successful than the Conservatives past attempts to do the same thing.

The SNP have proven from their earliest inceptions that their utmost loyalty is to Scotland. They believe Scotland to be equal with other nations and fully deserving of independent status.

Labour on the other hand have commissioned reports detailing Scotland's wealth and then buried them for thirty years! They run down our democratic aspirations at every turn and only last week voted against giving Scotland a choice on independence.

Everything they do shows that they put the interests of Britain before Scotland, and until they put Scotland first politically they won't change their image as Britain's puppets in Scotland no matter what flag they wave.
432

Los Angeles,

19/04/2009 00:56:07

It's Fire Safety Week in the USA.

Labour has discovered rather too late the Union Jack is not fire proof, not even asbestos impregnated, but fatally outsourced, made in India.

Time to wrap themselves in the Scottish Saltire to avoid the firestorm. They hope.







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morris,

edinburgh 09/11/2009 00:30:13
LABOUR has moved to reclaim the Saltire from the Nationalists by emphasising it is the flag for every Scot, not just those who believe in independence.

What utter drivel !
I never realised just how stupid this newspaper has become until I looked back at Labour Party articles.
WHAT A LOAD OF NUMPTY GARBAGE!
Hootsman you should be ashamed to call yourself a newspaper publishing incoherent claptrap like this!

 

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