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Published Date: 22 February 2009
LABOUR MSPs have won a battle against their MPs to keep hold of their powers ahead of a major review of the Scottish Parliament.
The party will agree this week that none of Holyrood's current powers should be handed back to Westminster, as some of its MPs had wanted.

Chief among them were powers over the siting of nuclear stations, currently held by Edinburgh, which are bei
ng used by the current SNP Government to block any new installations being built north of the border.

The MPs had argued that, such were the dangers to Scotland's future energy supply, the nuclear veto should be handed back to Westminster.

But a submission to be given to the Calman Commission – the body examining the powers of Holyrood – will say that the party backs the status quo.

Labour's submission, which has still to be signed off, will also give cautious backing to the idea of Holyrood getting more financial powers. A senior party source said: "It is desirable that a mechanism is found that makes the Scottish Parliament more accountable. We have an open mind on financial mechanisms."

But the document will stop short of recommending specific new powers – such as those over borrowing – saying it is for the commission to make recommendations. The moves come amid growing signs the left wing of the Labour party is preparing to seize on the financial crisis to push its agenda.

In Scotland, a new movement, to be unveiled next week, will campaign for Labour to dump PFIs, end all privatisation of services and back nuclear disarmament.

Left-wingers are also targeting next week's meeting of the party's national policy forum to demand the party re-think its relationship with the private sector. Ministerial plans to part-privatise the Royal Mail could be ditched as a result.

The new movement, the Scottish Labour Representation Committee, is understood to be backed by several MPs and MSPs. It wants to restore an economic policy based on public ownership.





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  • Last Updated: 21 February 2009 10:33 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Scottish Labour Party
 
1

webwise,

Scotland 21/02/2009 18:56:04
This headline and article are straight out Alice in Wonderland, 'Labour triumphant over Labour'. It's a bit like arm wrestiling with your left arm against your right arm and then celebrating a 'win'.

OK, mixing metaphors a bit here but come on, this headline is a joke right?

Te real story is contained within - 'Labour Civil War Over PFI'.
2

ochone,

Sauchie, Clacks 22/02/2009 00:07:04
It aint over yet, we have still to see what Westminsters Calman commission proposes, that is after all why they went along with the idea, it's called control and when folk object, they will say, 'but it wasn't us who wanted it set up, we just agreed to it'.
3

Curley Bill,

22/02/2009 00:17:08
Labour v Labour and Labour wins!
What a pile of sh*t this story is - like the combatants, actually.
4

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22/02/2009 00:37:37
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Brian Hill,

22/02/2009 00:47:23
Labour in Scotland knows it would be political suicide to back Holyrood losing powers to Westminster when the overwhelming feeling here is for more powers, not less.

However they only dare to 'cautiously' support more financial powers for Scotland.

Labour still doesn't understand the reason for the SNP's continued success, viz fighting every inch of the way for Scotland, believing in the people of Scotland, believing in themselves.

The people love it, it makes them feel good and rightly so. For Labour in Scotland to get back in the game it has to be competing with the SNP as to who is pushing for Scotland harder.

To date, it's no contest.
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22/02/2009 00:55:57
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Jimmy Le Pie,

22/02/2009 01:05:06
Any word on how Iain Gray's local Sleaze Party is getting on??

Did they not have their control over things moved to London after falling out with their real MP???
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livilion,

livingston 22/02/2009 01:13:12
The problem for Labour in Brown's 'North Britain' is that as part of the UK set up they only represent less than 9% of the total pie.

London commuting Labour MPs constituents outnumber Scots by 2-3:1.

Bottom line, North Britain's Labour MPs can take a running jump, for all the difference they actually make to Whitehall on our behalf up here, aye supposing any of them ever aquire an actual functioning set of cojones, prerequisit to stand up for Scotland's interests.
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22/02/2009 01:17:17
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22/02/2009 01:49:33
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22/02/2009 03:36:13
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LEAL,

22/02/2009 08:09:05
I hope the SNP does not make the mistake of welcoming defectors from Labour.They should sit as independents if they dont want to follow the Labour party line.
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Alathea,

22/02/2009 09:07:56
Yet another misleading headline from this paper.

Its not Labour MSP powers that the argument was about. It was the Scottish Parliament powers. Labour MSPs have no official power anywhere.

Another indication that Labour still think they are in charge.

Its pitiful really, a real bunch of Billy Liars.

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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 22/02/2009 09:20:51
Labour U-turn. Labour Civil War. Eddie Barnes is a party hack. Calman has become Labour taking powers from Scotland and handing them to David Cameron. The Tories look set to win the next election. It's time to make sure we have more powers, not less.
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TWC,

22/02/2009 09:52:28
Labour are scared now but it is not the rising of Scottish Labour yet. This is the Westminster party realising that it may lose Scotland.
It hasn't gone far enough yet to save Scottish Labour though. Control of the money is the big question and it is patently obvious that they are not ready to concede that power.
They will eventually.
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22/02/2009 10:40:45
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livilion,

livingston 22/02/2009 11:00:01
#10 proud doonhamer

24% of the Scottish electorate voted for Tony Blair's New Labour at the last general election and were rewarded with 40 out of 59 Westminster parliamentary seats.

Nothing surer, David Cameron will be the new UK PM, sometime in the next year.

Will the Scottish habitual Labour voters' hatred of all things Scottish National Party be enough to accept yet another decade of noses in the trough Toryism, nuclear power, Trident etc?

How bad do things have to be before they will consider changing the constitutional arrangement with Westminster in order to run affairs in Scotland the way that Scots (in Scotland) see fit, in the the best interests of their own families and communities?

18

Queen D,

Glasgow 22/02/2009 11:10:31
Quisling, surely you are not mocking the fantastic Politics Show and Newsnight presenter extraordinaire?

My favourite bit on the EBC politics website is
" Watch the best bits of Newsnight Scotland",
it never fails to raise a derisory guffaw!
19

Miss H,

22/02/2009 11:12:03
And how will Calman get the endorsmement of the Scottish people for its recommendations?

A referendum perhaps?
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alanh,

ek 22/02/2009 12:30:24
thanks to whoever this "journalist" is, but does this article mean that nu liebore, north brittian dept, are now admitting that Calman is a fraud and that they will decide what the outcome of his report will be?

also amoazed by this little bitty......."Left-wingers are also targeting next week's meeting of the party's national policy forum to demand the party re-think its relationship with the private sector. Ministerial plans to part-privatise the Royal Mail could be ditched as a result.

The new movement, the Scottish Labour Representation Committee, is understood to be backed by several MPs and MSPs. It wants to restore an economic policy based on public ownership."
So what the nu liebore, north brittian dept, are now saying is that we had power and decided against using our socialist principles but now we are going to be in opposition for a LONG time we really are socialists, honest????????????
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lulach mac gille coemgain,

22/02/2009 12:58:17
It’s a funny auld wurld - Iran get a whole load of keuch for wanting nuclear power stations but they are no aloud - we get it for no’ wantin’ nuclear power stations.

I say - War now!
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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 22/02/2009 13:29:29
A majority of Members of Parliament voted to grant certain devolved powers to Holyrood under the Scotland Act, whilst reserving other powers to Westminster.

The Labour Parliamentary Group at the Scottish Parliament have no uniltaral powers whatsoever to decide anything to do with Scottish devolved government, except when they take part in a parliamentary vote.
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22/02/2009 13:55:06
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TWC,

22/02/2009 14:25:57
26 Canes Pugnaces,

I can't find it
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22/02/2009 15:07:23
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 22/02/2009 17:39:39
"But a submission to be given to the Calman Commission – the body examining the powers of Holyrood – will say that the party backs the status quo.

Labour's submission, which has still to be signed off, will also give cautious backing to the idea of Holyrood getting more financial powers. A senior party source said: "It is desirable that a mechanism is found that makes the Scottish Parliament more accountable. We have an open mind on financial mechanisms."

But the document will stop short of recommending specific new powers – such as those over borrowing – saying it is for the commission to make recommendations."

Says it all about this wee commission, really.
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TWC,

22/02/2009 18:16:15
31 Canes Pugnaces,
Thanks

I believe the reason for rejecting the referendum Bill is because the Libdems never intended to go for Fiscal Autonomy and if they vote down the referendum without having previously obtained Fiscal Autonomy they can shut the Party down in Scotland.
Tf the Scots believe that the opposition has stopped the referendum the people will Vote en masse for the Nats.
The referendum musttake place and the union needs to propose an alternative Devolution.
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Eve,

Scotland 22/02/2009 20:17:33
"In Scotland, a new movement, to be unveiled next week, will campaign for Labour to dump PFIs, end all privatisation of services and back nuclear disarmament."

This sounds to good to be true!!!

"Left-wingers are also targeting next week's meeting of the party's national policy forum to demand the party re-think its relationship with the private sector. Ministerial plans to part-privatise the Royal Mail could be ditched as a result."

I thought the left-wing (soclist) of the Labour party in Scotland was roughtly 5% of their members.
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livilion,

livingston 23/02/2009 03:10:53
34 Eve,Scotland
"In Scotland, a new movement, to be unveiled next week, will campaign for Labour to dump PFIs,..."

Aye Eve its called 'the banks', PFI is dead because no bank will finance them and the rules letting Labour councils and The Treasury pockle their books are being tightened.
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livilion,

livingston 23/02/2009 03:14:28
"I thought the left-wing (soclist) of the Labour party in Scotland was roughtly 5% of their members"

These days they are swamped and overruled by their ex-public school betters trying to out-Tory each other in their scramble for peerages and lucrative directorships.
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livilion,

livingston 23/02/2009 03:23:51
33 TWC
There may be no need for a referendum now, there is a general election due soon.

Now remembering that Honest Tony scammed 40 out of 59 Scottish Westminster seats last time out with only 24% of the electorate here actually voting for his party, how much of the SNP vote would have to be mobilised to return that kind of result in their favour?

Mind you, I fully anticipate the London parties' universal demand to 'let the people decide' if the SNP win 30 or more seats and declare a mandate for their key manifesto committment to Scottish independence.
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The west awake,

Argyll 23/02/2009 18:09:51
"But a submission to be given to the Calman Commission – the body examining the powers of Holyrood – will say that the party backs the status quo.
"

- What would we do without these stalwart Labour champions? Where would we be?

These useless clowns force us to re-define mediocre. We will have to create a new word.

- And to think we used to vote for them - I'm embarrassed for my people.
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Mark Gallagher,

Rutherglen 25/02/2009 17:09:17
The Launch of the Scottish Labour Representation Committee and the Scottish Peoples’ Charter

will take place on Saturday 28 February at 1.30pm
(following the Campaign for Socialism AGM)

Venue:
Room W110 in the Hamish Wood Building
Glasgow Caledonian University

Chair:
Kevin Lindsay, Scottish Officer ASLEF

Speakers:
John McDonnell MP
Rozanne Foyer UNITE
Vince Mills Secretary LRC

 

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