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Published Date: 15 April 2007
ONE of Margaret Thatcher's key lieutenants has issued his surprise backing for Chancellor Gordon Brown in the fight against the SNP, in a remarkable sign of growing Unionist fears about the Nationalists' march on power.
Lord Forsyth, the last Tory Scottish secretary, and a vehement right-winger, said his party should "support" Brown in his bid to see off the SNP.

"Nobody is more anti-Labour than I am, but Brown is well-placed to spell out the financial consequen
ces of separatism," he said.

He added: "We should support him in doing that, because if people want to embrace the SNP they should do it with their eyes wide open and in full knowledge of the catastrophic consequences it would have for our economy and our public services in Scotland."

Lord Forsyth's intervention in the campaign will be seen as a clear snub to party leader David Cameron, who last week said Brown's "scare-mongering" over the costs of independence was turning people off. Cameron said Scotland could become independent, but said Unionist parties needed to make a positive case for the UK.

Cameron warned: "The wrong response, often reflected in the rhetoric of Gordon Brown, is to try to bully Scotland into remaining part of the UK through fear of the economic consequences of going it alone."

But it will also be viewed as a sign of the mounting concern among Unionist politicians about the SNP which, according to the polls, is heading for victory in May's election.

Forsyth claimed that Brown's analysis of the economic dangers presented by Alex Salmond's party was a vital contribution to opening voters' eyes to the choices before them.

He said: "That's not to say that the Chancellor and the Labour party have got everything right, but they are right about the economic and financial impact of breaking up the United Kingdom."

Forsyth added: "It would be sad if people rush into expressing their view on the present administration's performance without a clear view of what they are letting themselves in for."

He also mirrored comments made by Tony Blair last week, claiming the SNP was benefiting from voters treating the Holyrood poll as "a big by-election".

But Forsyth, who was Scottish Secretary from 1995 to 1997, when the Tories were swept out of office by a Labour party promising a devolution settlement that would revive Scotland, insisted that many of the government's problems in this year's elections were of its own making.

He added: "This is exactly what we said would happen. We said that the Scottish parliament would create a problem at Westminster for Scottish MPs, that it would be expensive and that it would have the effect of marginalising Scotland.

"George Robertson said that devolution would kill nationalism, but it seems to have made it stronger and caused problems on both sides of the Border.

"If people want to punish the Labour administration in Westminster or the Labour-Liberal Democrat coalition at Holyrood, they can kick them by voting for the Unionist parties, rather than one which wants to see the break-up of the UK."



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Tom R,

15/04/2007 00:42:24

Forsyth was sent packing a decade ago-he never even tried to get back. Many people can probably scarcely remember who he is. One thing he certainly is-an archetypal emotional unionist/ British nationalist who has never for one moment seriously considered the positive economic case for independence.

However, it is just more evidence of the powerful impact the SNP are making

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15/04/2007 00:56:50
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15/04/2007 01:11:17
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buzzer,

15/04/2007 01:12:59

Good grief the ghost of idiots past has returned. Lordy Forsyth the champion of a capitalist Britain.

Sorry to tell you fella but you have missed the boat as Scotland sails into a new and exciting challenge that is independence and no cosying up to Brown will change that.

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Cincinnatus,

The Capital 15/04/2007 01:17:42

# 3 very nicely put. Has Forsyth, (who had something of the night about him, long before Howard) - been in hiding or in Transylvania.

It's magic though - all these stout defenders of Union, whelping like newly weaned pups - Splendid.

Now there's an end to a auld song!

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LA,

Los Angeles 15/04/2007 04:07:08

Forsyth?

I thought he retired to sell gnomes in a rural garden centre.

LA

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Guga,

Rockall 15/04/2007 04:24:47

It just goes to show, a Tory is a Tory is a Tory, even if some of them call themselves New Labour.

As #2, famous 15, so aptly put it, ferrets in a sack.

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donald,

weegieland 15/04/2007 05:52:18

Nothing new here.

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Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 15/04/2007 06:53:35

As the last Secretary of State for Scotland, Michael Forsyth was an unmitigated disaster and the indigenous Conservative Party has still never recovered! However, in this case his intervention is clearly a coded message to those indigenous Tory voters who are actually prepared to vote tactically for other Unionist parties to prevent the SNP winning enough seats to form an administration at Holyrood? IF, indigenous Tory voters take Forsyth's advice and vote in enough numbers to stymie the Nationalists, it may well inflict further untold damage to his party from which it might never recover?
Lachie Todd.

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David Nummey,

London 15/04/2007 07:41:38

Whatever next? Thatcher backs Labour?

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maestra,

15/04/2007 08:19:11

Michael Who?

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Steve Foley,

England 15/04/2007 09:00:07

At this rate the Republicans in the USA will be raising Benedict Arnold to campaign for them in 2008!

I can still remember the ridiculous image of that shilpit wee bachle dressed in a kilt crossing the Tweed when as a hollow publicity gesture the Stone of Scone was returned to Scotland. Wow! Didn't it make you boak!

How desperate can they get? The Judas Iscariot of Scots politics taking wine with them? Politics certainly does make strange bedfellows right enough!

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Boy Wonder,

15/04/2007 09:04:32

Thank you everyone. You've all saved me from writing another anti-Tory rant on the forum. :)

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Falsyde,

HIGHLAND SEP 15/04/2007 09:04:38

More irrelevant noises off, Forsyth presided over the Tories demise in Scotland does anyone think his views amount to a row of beans, I think not, except himself of course.

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Cadgers,

Perth 15/04/2007 09:06:25

I thought he was deid. Well he is now................

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The Bias Police,

Near Heathrow in transit to Scotland 15/04/2007 09:24:13

The Bias Police wish to mark this article for scrutiny as an anti-SNP inclusion and evidence of editorial bias.

We would invite the SOS editorial team to answer why it believes that's the views of a Thatcherite former Conservative MP who was ejected in 1997 by the Scottish electorate is newsworthy in the context of the 2007 Scottish election?

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livilion,

livingston 15/04/2007 10:25:14

16. The Bias Police

Don't knock it pal!

No matter how much the SNP has in its 'war chest' no amount of money could buy the help that Forsyth's support of New Labour does for the nationalist cause.

Alex Salmond could not have written a better article himself.

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Gaga,

Panama 15/04/2007 11:41:40

Absolutely agree, #17 and #18.

Forsyth's/Thatcher's policies were so in tune with the wishes of Scots that it led to Scotland being a Tory free zone. So make sure you listen to what the Good Lord says, Gordon!

Its time!

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Steve Foley,

England 15/04/2007 12:07:44

The Tories have been in decline in Scotland since their post war high in 1955 when they actually had more seats than Labour in Scotland. Ever since they have gone down , even being now a minority party on Edinburgh City Council which was once a given to be Tory controlled. They had no Scottish Seats in Westminster in 1997 and since then have only managed a toe hold of one seat in the Borders. In Glasgow they have only one Councillor yet I can remember them being in control of Glasgow Corporation from 1968 to 1971! Former Tory Territory such as Cathcart, Pollok, Hillhead, Woodside, Kelvingrove have gone for ever.

They failed to understand that the Scots are NOT Englishmen in kilts. Policies which appealed to the English, amongst whom I have lived for 35 years, failed in Scotland where the concepts of "Community" and care for those less fortunate overruled the self-centred and acquisitive attitudes down here, especially in the Home Counties and the West Midlands, which brought Thatcher to power in 1979 and kept her and her successor there for the next 18 years.

Frankly, the Tories are irrelevant in Scots Politics these days. It's a two horse race between SNP and Labour with the Lib-Dems waiting to snuggle up to whoever wins most seats. Miss Gouldie's lot will be in the also runs with the Greens, Tommy and Margo.

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Masque,

15/04/2007 13:33:04

Lord Michael Bruce Forsyth, Baron of Drumlean, the LAST Tory Scottish Secretary supporting Labour. The most hated man in Scotland before 1997??

Who'da thunk it???

Best bit of news I've seen all week. If that's not a nail in Joke O'Connell's coffin I don't know what is.

We don't all have such memories as the Tories do.

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Graham Simpson,

Vancouver and Edinburgh 15/04/2007 13:33:07

It's simply not fair! how on earth did the SNP manage to persuade Forsyth to come out swingin' agin them. and even more hilariously endorse Brown.

It gets better every day. Soon we'll have the BNP endorsing Brown.

With enemies like this...who needs friends!

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Masque,

15/04/2007 13:33:38

I meant short memories!!!

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Al Muir,

Glasgow 15/04/2007 13:38:58

All this kicking Forsyth is all well and good sport. But those who do rubbish him so would do well to recall the state of the country when the Tories came to power.

3 day week, un buried bodies, firemans strike, rubbish uncollected in the streets. A complete basket case of a country. When they left power, one of the top economies in the world.

Its easy to ridicule people. Not so easy to dismiss facts.

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Steve Foley,

England 15/04/2007 14:15:04

Yes I can remember a Steel Industry at Ravenscraig, Shipbuilding , Coal Mining, Fisheries, and other Industries in Scotland which disappeared between May 1979 and May 1997. Not to mention matters which affected England more than Scotland such as the recession of the early 1990s and negative equity.

A bit worse than the odd corpse unburied , and I understand that there were only a few stockpiled in morgues or undertakers fridges not as some seem to think rotting in the streets. That old story about the Winter of Discontent ran out of steam years ago and I don't even think it affected Scotland as greatly as parts of England.

Thatcherism, may have helped some in England, especially in the Home Counties and South East, remember Essex Man buit it didn't help Scotland that much. Remember who had to suffer the hated Poll Tax first in a cynical move as it didn't matter to Thatcher as the Tories had written Scotland off as not being "one of us" .

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livilion,

livingston 15/04/2007 15:07:46

25. Al Muir. AM?
No danger of forgetting Maggie's effect on Scotland.
Her 'sermon on the mound' will live on.
http://heritage.scotsman.com/videos.cfm?vid=244
http://www.margaretthatcher.org/speeches/displaydocument....

Tories as popular as a fart in a space suit and as common as rocking horse droppings being the more palatable legacy she has left.

Oh yes, and the greatest shot in the arm for Scottish Nationalism since the advent of North Sea Oil

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livilion,

livingston 15/04/2007 15:21:32

25. Al Muir
>>When they left power, one of the top economies in the world. <<

With no industry to speak of, over 3million unemployed and claiming unemployment benefit all being paid for by revenue from the North Sea.

Just imagine if we hadn't had her revenge mission against the trades unions and Scotland had not been kept in the dark about the true extent of the wealth being taken from our waters.

That prosperity spread amongst 5million Scots, instead of the same number of UK benefit claimants thrown onto the dole by 'Thatcherism', as McCrone warned, would have made Scotland embarrassingly well off and not the 'Bangladesh of the west' as our political 'betters' had, and still would, have us believe.

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Dod fae Orkney,

In the hoose 15/04/2007 15:23:05

The word to$$er springs to mind at the mention of Forsyth's name. I thought he'd buggered off to some tax haven with his financier mates.
Oh well, who gives a $hit what he thinks or says.
Vote SNP

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Not Brian Taylor,

15/04/2007 16:18:32

Another SNP recruiting leaflet provided free of charge by the Scotsman. Such generosity!

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Eve,

Scotland 15/04/2007 16:46:41

Hey everyone ou can write to lord Forsyth, thank him for his "kind words"

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/peer/lord_forsyth_of_drumlean

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Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 15/04/2007 19:07:56

I can see Gordon and Jack cringing together in a darkened room in Bute House, lit only by the fire, head in hands thinking, ‘Oh my God what next?’

They slowly turn round to look at each other, faces etched in terror as they realise the potential for the ‘Doomsday Scenario’: An endorsement from Thatcher herself.

Each man takes a long swig from his respective whisky bottle, eyes turning to the loaded revolver on the highly polished drinks table.

Gordon leans over and gently puts his hand on Jacks. Not yet Jack, not yet.......

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Eve,

Scotland 15/04/2007 19:33:44

#32. www.edinburghtechniques.co.uk: Ach away Gorden Brown in Scotland, Does he no live in Westminster now!!!!!

Or is he up lecturing us all!!!!!!

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Steve Foley,

England 15/04/2007 19:58:55

Well he covered himself in Glory running the By-Election Campaign in Dunfermline & West Fife, a safe Labour seat since 1950 and next door to his own Constituency. Now I understand he is masterminding the Labour Campaign for Holyrood with Jack who is no great friend of his to say the least! Fancy moving those deckchairs on the Titanic Gordon?

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Graham Simpson,

Vancouver and Edinburgh 15/04/2007 20:01:35

#32 Hey. I liked you story intro...a 'straight off the press, as it happens' political thriller. Pity you can't get Thatcher and Blair into the plot.

Good stuff , keep it up!

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Boy Wonder,

15/04/2007 20:41:59

Maybe the Scotsman, SoS, Evening News can introduce a general comment Thread where posters can go in and say anything they want.

#32 could go on there and finish his story .....

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Steve Foley,

England 15/04/2007 21:33:31

A more plausible alternative ending?

Each man takes a long swig from his respective whisky bottle, eyes turning to the loaded revolver on the highly polished drinks table.

Gordon leans over and gently puts the revolver to Jack's head. "So long sucker, you've overstayed your welcome!" are the last words the former First Minister hears in this life.

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Robbie,

New Zealand 15/04/2007 23:00:31

As said before; if anyone wants a good reason to vote SNP - just look at the people who are telling you not to.

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Joe M.,

16/04/2007 14:20:16

This is the guy who wants to get rid of devolution.

He presided over the Tories collapse in Scotland because he and his predecessors refused to ackowledge the constant demand for Home Rule. Scotland voted for devolution in '79 and it took another twenty years to actually get it!

Forsyth would turn the clock back and remove even the limited Scottish parliament. As a member of the House of Lords (it's no great 'honour' every former member of the cabinet is entitled) like 'Lord' Lang he owes his entire income to the continuation of the union.

He's therefore hardly unbiased and his opinions are completely out of touch with most Scots, a bit like his new best pal Gordon Brown.

Independence is normality.

www.scottishindependence.com

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17/04/2007 10:14:02
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getinnnn,

Scotland 18/04/2007 14:28:20

Scotland will remain Whole and Entire with the added bonus of it's People-US!-being able to make Our Own important decisions: No sepparation about it!


 

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