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Published Date:
25 February 2007
HOUSEHOLDERS who throw away too much rubbish face a new 'bin tax' under radical government plans to force them to change their habits.
Ministers have backed the idea of a 'pay-as-you-throw' scheme under which household rubbish would be charged for according to weight.

People who significantly cut back on unrecyclable waste would have their council tax reduced, while those who re
fuse to mend their ways would face hefty charges.

The move comes with Environment Minister Ross Finnie this week launching a household waste strategy to increase recycling rates.

Households now dump more than 3.5 million tonnes of rubbish a year, with each home on average contributing well over a tonne. Around 25% of the waste is recycled.

Finnie is giving "serious thought" to a bin tax as ministers seek new ways to push recycling rates up to more than 55% by 2020. Under his favoured scheme, households would be allotted a waste entitlement, and would have to pay extra if they used it up.

He said: "Because the equipment is becoming available you could begin to think of setting a fixed charge [for the waste], and then say 'if you better that, you will get an incentive and if you dump more then you pay'.

"My view would be to isolate that part of the council tax and say we are going to handle this separately."

Support for such a plan has been voiced by many local authorities. They believe the bin tax should be specified on council tax bills in the same way as water and sewage charges, with the sums varying according to the amounts thrown away.

In the Belgian region of Flanders, where the scheme was set up, rates of recycling shot up from 20% to over 70%.

Finnie will also use the launch of the strategy this week to set new targets to cut the amount of food dumped by homes. Unused food accounts for 17% of all waste thrown into bins by households.

Among his targets are supermarket two-for-one offers which, he claims, lead to massive waste problems.

He said: "It appears to be superficially attractive, but if the capacity of the household is actually to consume just one then a two-for-one deal means that any goods that are sold... are put into waste.

"I am not denying the right of the consumer to get a good deal. It does seem to me that the evidence is suggesting that people are being persuaded to purchase food way in excess of their requirements, and the proof of that is the 17%."

Finnie also said producers needed to look at the packaging of products. He singled out whisky bottles sold in several layers of packaging.

Fiona Moriaty, director of the Scottish Retail Consortium, said supermarket chains were now signed up to reducing packaging in their goods. "There has been a huge commitment by all the main food retailers to address the impact that the provision of goods and services is having on the environment."

Finnie's support for a pay-as-you-throw scheme met with a mixed response.

Duncan McLaren, director of Friends of the Earth, said: "What we have argued for is some kind of financial incentive to encourage households to reduce waste."

A spokesman for the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities said that ministers should focus on getting retailers to reduce their packaging before dealing with households. "We believe that producers and retailers could be doing far more to minimise waste from products and their packaging, which households and councils are left to deal with."

Alex Johnston, environment spokesman for the Scottish Tories, said: "The idea of charging people by weight or volume is sound, but people who are already paying through their noses shouldn't be asked to pay any more.

"Also, without proper enforcement, it might result in a huge amount of rubbish being dumped in the countryside."

For the SNP, Richard Lochhead said: "I am all in favour of blue-sky thinking but clearly this would be very complex and needs a great deal more thought. The first priority must be to make it easier for people to recycle in the first place."



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1

www.scottwebb.co.uk,

25/02/2007 00:16:47

Here is a technology available NOW that would sort out a lot of problems :) http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science/873aae7bf86c0110vgnv...

2

GraemeH,

Edinburgh 25/02/2007 00:34:09

So how would this work for flats with communal bins? Also, how do you avoid the issue of people putting their rubbish in other peoples' bins to avoid paying the charges?

3

Douglas,

Bathgate 25/02/2007 00:38:32

Is Finnie thinking of changing hid name to Bin Over Laden?

4

www.mevbrown.org.uk,

Edinburgh 25/02/2007 00:45:04

It's just another stealth tax, and it won't be the last.

5

Statsman,

25/02/2007 00:50:43

This will be an absolute nightmare to implement. The associated bureaucracy will massively increase the cost of collecting waste.

It also leaves the door open for the politicians to continually increase charges using a green label to justify the tax hikes.

Overall, this means much more tax to the average household and a jobs spree in the public sector. We need neither right now.

6

www.scottwebb.co.uk,

25/02/2007 01:00:17

Comment@4 Mev, hi mate....watch a few of the vids on this player and you will work out where its going :) http://www.scottwebb.co.uk/15.html

7

lisa,

perth 25/02/2007 01:51:17

If we are going to determine the level of council tax on the basis of how much you use council services, as Ross Finnie is considering, does this mean people with no kids at school should not contribute towards education?

8

Shan,

S. Wales 25/02/2007 02:26:30

I was in Ireland last summer which already has strict limits on rubbish collected per household. It does increase fly tipping and dumping in neighbours' bins. But if we're to cut back on the supermarkets' bad packaging habits a cut pollution this is the only way to go.
From my Irish friends I learned a cute way to deal with the rubbish restriction. When you shop, before bagging your goods to take home, strip as much packaging as you can. Leave it in a tidy pile for the shop to dispose of.
There'll be a LOT less to carry home - and less going in your bin. If enough people do it the supermarkets will have to learn to cut back on packaging because otherwise they'll have a lot of extra work, and expense. They'll force their suppliers to package more neatly and simply.

9

Shan,

S. Wales 25/02/2007 02:32:39

Lisa no 7 "If we are going to determine the level of council tax on the basis of how much you use council services, as Ross Finnie is considering, does this mean people with no kids at school should not contribute towards education?"

Has it not occurred to you that others not so long ago paid for YOUR education? So how about paying it back for the children now? - whose work will help keep you when you're old.
And are you going to withold tax money from the disabled because you don't need it? Because, suddenly, without warning, you might.
Taxation is about providing us all with the basics we need. We need different things at different times of life. Different people need different things. As long as the needs paid for are not totally extreme, unusually expensive, or only paid out for a privileged group but not others equally needy, there's not a problem.

10

Guga,

Rockall 25/02/2007 04:11:43

Another idiocy ringing through Finnie's empty head. Has he not caused enough damage already?

How is his proposal going to affect those in rural areas where there are either no recycling facilities, or very limited ones?

Why is he trying to penalise low income families who, in many cases, benefit from the two for the price of one offers from supermarkets?

How does he intend to implement it, and prevent fly-tipping etc., and how many extra civil servants will be needed to run, and enforce his scheme, and at what cost?

This is going to end up as yet another stealth tax from the New Labour numpties, whose sole aim is to tax you till you bleed.

11

Desperate Dan,

Sodall 25/02/2007 04:21:01

And open season for fly tipping! These nuggets no read the history books! Your supposed to learn from the past not re-create it.

12

Pete39,

Tassy 25/02/2007 06:58:23

#8Shan. Simple, sophisticated, to the point. Why does everybody not get involved. Well the last time I thought that this was a good idea I got carried away with myself and described the rest of the world in derogatory terms.

13

Dod fae Orkney,

Aberdeen 25/02/2007 07:21:02

Another incredibly stupid idea. There will be bin liners being dumped all over the place. Scotland will resemble downtown Lagos!! If you don't have anything intelligent to say Ross away and do your expenses. No one expects anything sensible from you!

14

GrahamH,

25/02/2007 08:16:42

Would just mean fly tipping and more council work to keep streets clean. Rubbish would be dumped at night in streets, this can't be a serious proposal??

15

Alex.,

25/02/2007 08:55:18

Great. Now we can nip out in the sma' hours and put our rubbish in the neighbours bins and they will pay. Magic thinking.

16

paul the binman,

25/02/2007 09:16:24

Here here,lets keep on going the way we are now,when all the land fill sites are full we can start digging new ones in the Highlands as there is loads of room for them.We can raise the council tax to pay all the fines we will be getting from the EEC for not reaching re cycling targets.How about if we go back to dumping our waste at sea?
Its funny how we all get angry about the ozone and emmisions and yet we dont want to do any thing about one of the biggest contributers to global warming because it means us having to actually do some thing.
On the subject of fly tipping,you mean its not a problem now?

17

Dod fae Orkney,

Aberdeen 25/02/2007 09:19:22

I have posted 5 times this morning from 0715. None have appeared again!!! Why do you keep doing this. If you want me to piss off just say so via e-mail!!

18

heather fae the hills,

a bonny fresh morning 25/02/2007 09:50:26

On the rare occasion of the scaffy-van being bothered to turn up in this neck of the woods, would this mean we get clobbered for having an enormous amount of rubbish in one go?
The nearest recycling facility is miles away and we are forbidden to burn rubbish these days.

19

Scaramouche,

25/02/2007 09:51:40

Then of course there's the binmen, who allow bins to fall or tip and NEVER clean up after them. Who pays for those stunts??

This is just nonsense now. My council tax (and I pay more than enough) is supposed to pay for this service.

What's next on the taxation list? The air I feckin BREATHE??????

20

Bill, Dunblane,

25/02/2007 09:52:19

9 - Shan

I would guess that when Lisa was at school, her parents were paying whatever at that time equated to council tax.

From your comment, I assume you do NOT agree with a separate charge for rubbish collection?

And following your logic, a local income tax instead of a fixed council tax would be the fair way to pay for it all. From each... to each...

21

Unbeliever,

25/02/2007 09:53:55

And just how exactly are we supposed to achieve this.
Reduce unrecyclable rubbish (Could always abolish Holyrood I suppose). Seriously, the majority of this stuff is packaging. The only way to reduce the amount is to buy less.
Larger families must buy more by default, or are we all going to get personal allowances? And without getting into the details of the argument what of families with kids still in nappies. Disposables are not supposed to be flushed as they cause all sorts of problems with sewerage systems. This will only lead to more people doing exactly that.
Abolish supermarket 2 for 1 deals because some people dump the extra. What about those who don't? The people who need these deals to make ends meet. Larger families again.
I don't believe I have seen one properly thought out piece of legislation from Holyrood since it was conceived.
The only real way to do this is to have the major commodities producers use less packaging, but that would involve the numpties taking on real opposition. Much better to blame (& tax) the little guy. They don't have the resources to fight back!
Time we put Finnie out with the rubbish.

22

JG,

Fife 25/02/2007 09:58:48

Realistically, if people are charged at varying rates for the rubbish they dispose of, some will cheat. Personally, my bin is never all that full, I use the paper bin as instructed and take bigger stuff to the coup myself. The binmen won't empty bins around here if the lid is not properly closed. What happens when others (and they will!!!) deposit their cr@p in YOUR bin, the lid is slightly open and it's then not emptied? Will the refuse collectors come back when you've explained what's happened? Do you have to put locks on them? Stand guard until the lorry has been?

23

Maisie,

25/02/2007 10:31:09

Does anyone remember the "Ballon man"? He would come round collecting old clothes ect and kids would get a ballon for old rubbish handed in? The amount of 'good' stuff I pilfered from the house just to get a free ballon or a tube of bubbles!

Bring back the ballon man!

Or alternatively, we will need to burn our rubbish in the back garden until we are taxed on that as well.

24

Hsr,

Cerntral Edinburgh 25/02/2007 10:32:20

Fantastic, I’m single and live in the centre of Edinburgh. I’m going to save a fortune. About time someone saw sense and makes people pay for what they use. Why should I pay for other households with six kids, grandmothers, granddads and the likes?

25

heather fae the hills,

a bonny fresh morning 25/02/2007 10:44:10

21 Maisie. Yes, we had a balloon man in Arbroath in the early 60's.
Re burning. Farmers are now forbidden to burn the likes of silage wrappers and bale wraps. It has to be cleaned and collected by a recycler (who not only charges a small fortune but can reject the wraps)
The result is a massive pile of waste that collects in a heap creating all kinds of biohazards.
One farmer who despaired of his heap and set fire to it has recently been fined a huge amount.

26

Dod fae Orkney,

Aberdeen 25/02/2007 10:51:32

Help where are all my posts today???????????????? At least 5. This happens nearly every day. Is it because I'm from Orkney and am an SNP supporter?? Please let me know via glitts@tiscali.co.uk

27

Suck-McCrunchie,

Bonny Bonny Banks of Overcharging 25/02/2007 11:40:38

I blame the Americans for this.

Clearly in ramming their "war on terror" down everyones throats, the resultant knee jerk is

"Bin Laden - you gotta pay for that"

The USA used to fund terrorism in Ireland.

I think its about time we all contributed peacefully to fund education, and aesthetics in America.

Clearly more book depositories and grassy knolls are long overdue.

28

Dod fae Orkney,

Aberdeen 25/02/2007 12:33:48

6 posts today. Have they all been binned? PLease answer. You are about to lose a real customer (5 dailys and the SOS)
OR are you as incompetent as the Scottish Exec???

29

I'm no really here,

25/02/2007 12:48:19

So these politicians, come elections time, flood us with their pamphlets, and then expect us to pay extra for them to be binned. Does anyone know where they keep the rubbish bins at Holyrood? There'll be queues of cars waiting to off-load.

Great point #8. I'm going to try that.

30

Bill, Dunblane,

25/02/2007 13:14:37

25 - Suck

Very good, on several levels! ;)

31

Scaramouche,

25/02/2007 13:33:06

re: my comment on what's next to tax?? How about this?

If they could I think they would
Tax everything that I do
No cigarettes, no drink, no food, no sounds
Nothing to watch on TV but repeats
Making love with you, would be all that's left to us
What more could they tax
There's nothing left ..... but sex!!!

What's next? Are they going to tax the air that I breathe
By the second, taxing all the air that breathe, yes
With a meter, taxing all the air that I breathe ...

Please, think upon this awful tax by stealth
Don't you see you've taken my meagre wealth

What's next? Are they going to tax the air that I breathe
By the second, taxing all the air that breathe, yes
With a meter, taxing all the air that I breathe ...

What's next? Are they going to tax the air that I breathe
By the second, taxing all the air that breathe, yes
With a meter, taxing all the air that I breathe ...

What's next? Are they going to tax the air that I breathe
By the second, taxing all the air that breathe, yes
With a meter, taxing all the air that I breathe ...

*adapted from "The Air That I Breathe" by the Hollies.

32

Carolyn 1,

my boss is in Sterling-I'm in Massachusetts,US 25/02/2007 13:59:48

This was implemented in a town where I lived. I had a very busy retail store and therefore my trash far exceeded the acceptable amount. The allowable amount was picked up and the rest was left behind. To get rid of everything we had to learn to 'break down' cardboard and ccompact everything, etc. but I still had too much trash. The result- I had no other choice than to bring it to the town's recycling center (dump): I had to buy a sticker to get in it, and I had to pay for every pound I disposed. I think it was fair. I was making the money and causing the excess- therefore I should pay for it.

Another note: if any of my trash blew into the streets, I was fined for littering. And yes, the trash can be traced back to where it came from.

33

Ken M,

Stenhousemuir 25/02/2007 15:19:01

If the introduction of the 3 bin scheme into my street was anything to go by then the introduction of another new scheme will be another farce.

The coucil official at the information caravan prior to the implementation pretended to listen to my concerns and gave me misinformation. Then when tha brown bins for garden waste arrived they dropped 10 off at my block of 10 flats, each numbered against every address.

Luckily I was there to point out that only 5 flats had gardens (I do not live in Babylon) and only the end 2 had access to the front without going through their living rooms/kitchens. They took away my brown bin and the same official said I would still have a weekly service as I obviously had no bin storage area either.

Then the blue bins arrived! Same fiasco. Same misinformation. 10 one bed flats with no bin storage facilities and they would have had us with 30 bins outside the front. There were blue bins inside green bins put out for collection the following week.

Still no weekly collection. Although the council eventually removed the fly-tipped excess bins without a word and then said in a news release that the introduction was successful.

34

Hadrian,

25/02/2007 15:50:03

# 1 Scottwebb, looks like a good answer to the problem.

BTW. Is it me being paronoid or is it just co-incidence that the
Lib/dems are the announcers of this and a few days ago the road price-ing again, what bad news do labour need a smoke screen for?

35

Worker 72hrs a wk,

edinburgh 25/02/2007 15:57:49

WHAT LOAD OF RUBBISH ,What will they think up next ,i work 72hrs a wk, the reason i work those hrs is to make a decent wage to live as i live on my own ,and i dont have that much rubbish to put out ,but evey wk when i put my wheelie bin out its overflowing with other people`s rubbish so why should i have to pay for other people`s rubbish.

36

Carolyn 1,

my boss is in Stirling- I'm in Massahusetts, US 25/02/2007 17:02:37

You guys are pathetic.

You bitch about global warming but can't even recycle your own household trash?

I live in a community who cares about the future- we recycle everything- paper, cardboard, bottles, plastics, papers, some of have composts. We have solar collectors, wind, etc.. and we're proud of it.
Yes, I live in a scientific community involved in oceanographic research and climate change- we have students and lecturers from around the world- is it because we see the future that we care about it and recycle everything?

Every time you drag out your recycling bin think about a cleaner future for the wee ones.

37

One-man-bucket's older twin,

25/02/2007 17:22:31

# 8 - I keep meaning to do the packaging thing, but supermarket shopping takes long enough already. But - my friend says cosmetics packaging is a con - a glass jar containing 25 gm (or whatever) of product displaces 75 gm. to fool the customer into thinking they're getting more.

# 9 Shan - why should my taxes pay towards child allowance for families better off than me?

BOGOFs - what kind of moron takes two and throws away the one they don't want immediately? I freeze my surplus BOGOF for later. You can get a freezer for about £40 - worth it. Especially of #19 you have a larger family (your choice).

#30 lol from Babylon.

Paul the Binman won't like this, but if taxpayers could deliver their rubbish to tips, regardless of what they used to transport it, it would reduce flytipping, which in my opinion is worse than traders getting the service for nothing. After all, it costs you to bring your own rubbish to the tip, whether you're a trader or a householder.

38

lorna jane,,

perth 25/02/2007 17:29:30

I suppose I could put my (used) cat litter on the garden, but what happens when I need a ladder to get into the garden?

39

MadMax,

25/02/2007 18:53:13

It takes us 2/3 Wks to fill a wheely bin (3 person household), our neighbours (6 person household) fill 2 bins a week ..

So yes something needs to be done to combat the waste some are producing.

We bought a chipper shredder to deal with the garden waste.

I ordered 3 compost bins at the beginning of Jan and was told they would arrive within 28 days.
http://www.recyclenow.com/home_composting/in_your_area/in...

We are still waiting.

40

Derick fae Yell,

25/02/2007 18:58:57

Not a huge fan of the LibDems but something needs to be done

#34 I'm with Carolyn1 on this one. Stop whingeing and/or come up with some workable alternatives. If other countries have used this system, then we should learn from their experience.

Incidentally the SHEAP incinerator in Lerwick burns all Shetland's rubbish, powers the district heating scheme and provides hot water to half the town. As far as I know it works fine.

But can you imagine the nimby whinging that would start if Edinburgh or Glasgow suggested doing the same. Lets have more Landfill! NOT

41

Derick fae Yell,

25/02/2007 19:17:28

http://sheap-ltd.co.uk/

or google 'sheap' and 'lerwick'

no smutty sheep jokes, please

42

Frodo the Scot,

middle earth 25/02/2007 20:14:37

#25....I do hope you are of the same opinion AFTER the 2000+ of your native
bomb disposal systems devastate Britain
in the coming weeks I hate to think of the
impending doom BUT people like you NEED to wake up and quit hiding your "crunchies" behind yon peace sign.
Good luck and god bless

yer awe doomed!!!!

43

Jemima,

north of scotland 25/02/2007 21:19:39

We live in a rural location, we recycle all of our cans, bottles, and plastic. We have two compost bins and a food cone. Recently we had a visit from a man from the local authority asking if we wanted to stop our bin collection, as we had so little in the bins. "Do we get a reduction in our over £2,000 council tax?" I asked. No sorry said he. Where's the incentive to keep doing this?

Incidentally I have been recycling my household rubbish for over 20 years now. When you live in the country and before the days of the wheelie bin, you had to be aware of how much rubbish you threw out. My other concern is the amount of fly tipping that would come of this suggestion. We already are having to dispose of the most unlikely objects which miraculously appear on the farm.....

44

Jemima,

north of scotland 25/02/2007 21:21:20

Hi Dod fae Orkney - fa'at is thoo problem boy? Hiv a peedie bit o' patience......

45

Frobnitz,

Edinburgh 26/02/2007 09:42:40

If they bring in any rubbish tax without bringing in a "wrapping levy" I think I might take up rioting in the streets as a hobby - the vast majority of my waste is excessive wrapping - and most supermarkets are not happy if you dump the boxes in the shop (even the ones with German owners who should be used to it). The other major component of my waste is junk mail - what chance do you think there is of the Govt. legislating to reduce that?

46

Yane,

melbourne 26/02/2007 10:15:49

#34 Sorry Carolyn, -- enjoy your world -- ye havnae really sold it tae me.

47

rab, glasgow,

26/02/2007 13:54:01

49. Yane, melbourne / Seconded.


 

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