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Smith ready to get tough over call-off culture



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Published Date: 08 June 2008
SFA CHIEF executive Gordon Smith has stated his willingness to support Scotland manager George Burley if he decided to invoke the five-day rule over call-offs for the national side.
Burley has suffered from widespread absenteeism in his two games in charge. A friendly against Northern Ireland on August 20 will now provide him with a final opportunity to shape his team before the country's World Cup qualifiers begin with a trip to Macedonia in September. But there are fears that he could face further call-off problems, with the Northern Ireland encounter sandwiched between two vital Champions League qualifiers involving Rangers.

"We would have to back him if he wanted to invoke the (five-day] rule, no question," Smith said. "If there was any indication at all, any thought that players were deliberately pulling out when they weren't really affected (by injury], then if George wanted to do that we would have a look at it."

Smith admits the timing of the Northern Ireland game is "difficult". But he says the Hampden visit by the Irish is vital to the country's hopes of reaching a first major finals in 12 years.

"So far George has never had an opportunity to put what he might consider his first-choice team in place. By August, you really want that in place because at that stage you will be working on tactics and things you will be introducing. So even though there are Champions League fixtures around it, I would hope we would get a full squad."

FIFA rules are explicit over call-offs. "Whatever the reason" for a player not wishing, or being unable, to comply with a call-up for a game on any "date listed in the co-ordinated international match calendar", the restriction on that player then turning out for his club will be a further "five days". At the SFA, however, there has been an implicit understanding they would avoid angering clubs by exercising their rights on the matter.

Sensitivity surrounding the issue has heightened after Burley was left with a makeshift squad for the friendly away to the Czech Republic nine days ago, a game not covered by the five-day rule. The call-offs for the Prague game troubled because they appeared to be symptomatic of a trend. Across two Wednesday internationals last season, six Rangers players and three Celtic players pulled out of squads then regained fitness to appear in Old Firm encounters three days later. If Burley wanted to diminish the prospects of borderline call-offs for the Northern Ireland game, invoking the five-day rule would probably have the desired effect.

"I think we have to look at the friendly situation last week as maybe a one-off situation, with the number of games there's been and that sort of thing," Smith says. "Friendlies give other players a chance to get a game, so there's always something to be learned from it. But when it comes to a competitive game then you are hoping that all your players are going to be available."

Smith agrees there is a fine line between maintaining a harmonious relationship with clubs and ensuring the best possible squad is available to the national manager. "We'd hope that the clubs would realise that and would want to help the national team. It's for the benefit of the whole game. It's great when the clubs are doing well in Europe. We are delighted with that, and I would imagine that everyone should have the same feeling for the national team; that players are available and we would want them to be available for the big games. The World Cup is very important."

It is a question of priorities. Rangers assistant Ally McCoist as good as admitted that had Scotland been involved in an important competitive encounter then Barry Ferguson, Lee McCulloch, Christian Dailly and Allan McGregor would have shrugged off various ailments and problems to be available for the game against Croatia on March 26, Burley's first game in charge. But because that was only a friendly, playing them was considered too much of a risk with Celtic visiting Ibrox for a potentially title-shaping encounter three days later. It should be noted that in all cases of injured Scotland players being released from squads, they have done so after the national team's own medical staff have assessed them.

If the five-day rule were invoked as a matter of principle by the SFA, though, all would probably have pushed themselves through that game to ensure they were not ruled out for the derby. But would the ructions have been worth it? It was effectively a meaningless match.

Yet, Scotland's hopes of reaching Euro 2008 might have been enhanced if every available course of action had been taken to ensure the availability of the country's leading players. Celtic pair Scott Brown and Gary Caldwell and Rangers' duo Alan Hutton and Allan McGregor all featured in the first Old Firm game of the season on October 20. The outfield trio's injury absences were felt as a patchwork Scotland side flopped away to Georgia three days earlier. There is no suggestion that the quartet were not struggling. Caldwell and McGregor, indeed, were not able to join up with the squad for a double-header that brought a win over Ukraine, Brown forced off with a tight hamstring in that victory. But again, though, the five-day rule might have resulted in these four players coaxing aching limbs as they would for their clubs.

It has been suggested there might be a "respect" issue in players blanking Burley's first two games. Smith disputes this. "I am very much of the opinion that George has that respect," he says. "You don't want to resort to the fear as well. I think we need to wait and see how things go. It might be an issue that doesn't happen so there's no point going into too much detail at the moment."

Smith admits the five-day rule would be a last resort and "cannot imagine a situation" wherein Burley would invoke it. Only last April an English Championship club were deprived of a player for a club game after injury resulted in him not reporting for international duty with Northern Ireland. Under Lawrie Sanchez, it was IFA policy to invoke the five-day rule in such circumstances. "It is totally unfair to the club and to the boy," said the manager in question when Sanchez prevented Chris Baird playing for Southampton. That manager was a certain George Burley.

PLAYERS WHO CALLED OFF THEN PLAYED FOR CLUB

FRANCE, SEPT 12 2007


Player out injured
Gary Naysmith (Sheffield United)

Played next Saturday
Gary Naysmith (v Wolves)

GEORGIA, OCT 17 2007

Players out injured
Alan Hutton (Rangers)
Scott Brown (Celtic)
Paul Hartley (Celtic)
Gary Caldwell (Celtic)
Gary Naysmith (Sheffield United)
Allan McGregor (Rangers, pictured)

Played the next Saturday
Alan Hutton (v Celtic)
Scott Brown (v Rangers)
Gary Caldwell (v Rangers)
Allan McGregor (v Celtic)

CROATIA, MAR 26 2008

Players out injured
Barry Ferguson (Rangers)
James McFadden (Birmingham City)
Lee McCulloch (Rangers)
Christian Dailly (Rangers)
Barry Robson (Celtic)
Allan McGregor (Rangers)

Played the next Saturday
Barry Ferguson (v Celtic)
Lee McCulloch (v Celtic)
Christian Dailly (v Celtic)
Barry Robson (v Rangers)
Allan McGregor (v Celtic)

The full article contains 1227 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 07 June 2008 9:51 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Scotland's football team
 
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Sir Minty Moonbeams, Casino Royale,

08/06/2008 00:44:25
How many Scotsman hacks are going to rewrite history over Barry Robson ?

Hardly a week goes by without some article attempting to equalise the circumstances of his withdrawal from the Scotland squad with the four Rangers players.

Why can't they live with the facts ?

Barry Robson declared himself fit and presented himself at the training base.
He was then , to his great bewilderment, told by Scotland officials that he wasn't fit.

Celtic's own medical staff declared him fit.

Barry Robson did not pull out ; he was chucked out.

The 4 Rangers players DID pull out. Burley stated that his medical team had examined them and from the reports he received , he stated that he was certain that some of the 4 rangers players would NOT be fit to face Celtic.

Burley let Rangers walk all over him and the sfa were quite content to turn a blind eye to what was a scandal. Tom English, a Rangers fan and writer of this blatt, rose above himself and wrote an excellent article about the shenanigans that went on behind the scenes.

Since then we've had numerous articles blurring the distinction between Robson and the Ibrox 4.

And now the sfa wants to start applying the rules that it was supposed to apply to those 4 rangers' players, but didn't.

Burley and Gordon Smith are morally bankrupt as regards enforcement off the rules, and should resign .

A new regime will have a clean slate and will command the respect of players and clubs alike.
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moral___superiority_,

08/06/2008 00:45:24
Rangers must be terrified.

The players were dead on their feet at the end of the season.

How could they honestly expect them to go to Eastern Europe for a meaningless friendly?
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moral___superiority_,

08/06/2008 00:48:18
#1 who cares if Vera Duckworth declared himself fit? He is nothing but a violent thug anyway.

You say 'The 4 Rangers players DID pull out'.

Big deal. Who cares?

What an idiot you are.
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moral___superiority_,

08/06/2008 00:50:19
Aiden McTraitor has pulled out of Every Scotland game by electing to play for Ireland?

Remind me again, what country paid for his education?
5

Teary Ennui,

08/06/2008 00:59:23
It's not long since Celtic players missed Scotland's Kirin Cup games to play in friendlies for their club. So let's not have Celtic fans boring us with their familiar conspiracy theories and agenda-peddling.
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Sir Minty Moonbeams, Casino Royale,

08/06/2008 01:00:34
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The same country that took his parents' taxes....and is now taking his ( probably in the region of £3,000 per week, rising to around £6,000 per week in the not too distant future).
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GrahamH,

Edinburgh 08/06/2008 01:34:11
5 day rule a must. Pity can't extend it further.
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Fayneant,

NZ 08/06/2008 01:45:12
Read Smith's actual quote again...

"If there was any indication at all, any thought that players were deliberately pulling out when they weren't really affected (by injury], then if George wanted to do that we would have a look at it."

Hardly a committment to get tough - just more mealy mouthing from somebody who is becoming a World Champion of the art.
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Fayneant,

NZ 08/06/2008 01:49:57
Turning out for a WC qualifier early in the season cannot be compared with a couple of meaningless friendlies at the end of a long and congested season.

The boys who are fit will turn out. Have no doubts.
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Richardinho,

08/06/2008 01:52:11
Simple solution that will suit everyone; don't play the Rangers players. They're all gash anyway. The basic team should be with Fletcher and Robson in midfield and McManus and Caldwell in defence, James McFadden up front, Gordon in goal.
11

Colin P,

08/06/2008 01:54:44
I think the SFA should look at the circumstances first and foremost.
In this particular case, Rangers have Champions League qualifier games on either side of an international friendly.
I'd like to know who the idiot is who scheduled a friendly anywhere near qualifiers.
If the Rangers players are not fit for a friendly between two crucial games, tough.
They should be expected to perform for their club first.
It doesn't matter what SPL club it is, we should be supporting their efforts in Europe, and have much better planning at the SFA level.
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Richardinho,

08/06/2008 02:00:38
#11 presumably the friendly was scheduled when when it looked like it would be Celtic who would have to go through the qualifying rounds. Looks like this cunning plan's came back to bite Smith in the backside!
13

bring them on,

08/06/2008 03:42:16
The five day rule is stupid.

Pick your team, ask them if they want to play. If they don't pick another.
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Celtic Forever,

No-one likes them, they don't care 08/06/2008 03:49:33
How pathetic. This moron makes excuses for the stinkgers all last season and now that his replusive former club turn out to be losers, he pretends he is getting tough.

Scotland is a repulsive little backwater, poisoned by the stinkgers and the bigoted in-breds that prop them up.
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bring them on,

08/06/2008 04:23:00
#14

And one Celtic player...
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Colin P,

08/06/2008 05:11:23
#12 Richardinho
Getting your conspiracy theories in early this year?

#14 eejit
I see you're doing your best to promote what you claim to despise. Your posts are repulsive. Grow up.
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Colin P,

08/06/2008 05:12:54
You've got to laugh at the afflicted like #14. His team won one cup, deservedly so, and Rangers won 2 out of four . They competed right to the end in all competitions and this clown calls them losers...HAHAHAHA
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08/06/2008 06:58:43
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billylion67,

08/06/2008 07:28:40
Gordon Smith is completely bankrupt of integrity and kudos, left floundering by inept mealy mouthed statements in the last two months e.g.
Attacking the SPL over old firm fixtures arranged near Scotland games, of course never criticised players who withdrew from these Scotland games
Attacking the SPL for not re-arranging the end of season SPLS fixtures to suit Rangers (impartial chief of the SFA?)
Offered to re-arrange date of the Scottish cup ignoring the wishes and rights of QOTS, a member club of the SFA
No sponsor for the country's main cup competition

Smith just resign, as the job requirement is for a MAN with abilities and strength of character which you are clearly lacking
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It's me!,

08/06/2008 08:04:30
If all these Rangers and Celtic players are so tired/injured after the long season it's maybe as well that Scotland didn't qualify for the European Championships. They would play like statues and embarass themselves and Scotland. Maybe Burley should just concentrate and pick those players who are willing to represent their country at every opportunity. We will then have a team playing for the honour of wearing the jersey and perform as a unit. Meanwhile the tired/injured Rangers and Celtic players can rest after being tucked up in bed by mummy. But Rangers and Celtic won't like this idea because the transfer value will decrease because they are no longer international players.

I'm including Celtic in this but think Rangers are by far the more guilty club.
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InTheBackPocket,

08/06/2008 08:54:42
If we leave the Rangers players out then we wont have a problem. Only a disruptive influence to consistency and they are all only pub team class anyway(pizza anyone?) except Naismith but his managers actions have left him crocked for several months.


For Celtic and for Scotland. Nae Bother.
23

Bosco Bhoy,

08/06/2008 08:55:15
It’s patently obvious that many Rangers fans and Celtic fans care little of their national team’s fortunes and this is based on the fact that nearly every year they are the only 2 teams challenging for the honours in Scotland and injuries to these players can affect their chances of success.

It’s no different for Man Utd, Chelsea or Liverpool fans. How many of those clubs fan wish to see a Rooney, Terry or Gerrard get injured during the season playing a 'meaningless' friendly?

The thing is it’s often these very meaningless friendlies that often give a small nation like Scotland with its limited quality the chance to tweak and maximise performance for the crucial games. Cappello I feel will be be able to install in the English football mindset a respect for the importance of the English national team that has probably been absent for a decade or so. Who really thinks that can happen in Scotland with the dominance and power of CFC and RFC and the national team’s low prestige?

4 Moral ----

Who paid for the education of Gough, Goram and McCall just to name but a few? Pity so many out there so blinded by their own ignorance and hated for this young fella due to his religion and nationality.
24

bring them on,

08/06/2008 09:08:59
When Kenny Miller takes charge of the Rangers mid-field, and with Buster Keyton upfront. Should be a great season
25

The Sheriff,

08/06/2008 09:11:00
Strange why this article only highlights two sets of games that happened to be old firm games and contained Celtic players and the usual Rangers players that called off in plenty of other games,in short the hitlist featured here is trying to even out the imbalance of Rangers call offs.

As for number,well you are no more than a bigot...Rangers supporter by any chance?

I will be more than delighted for the sfa to envoke the 5 fay ruling,it will not have any adverse effect on players from Celtic,it will for Rangers.
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Gammaracanthuskytodermogammarus,

08/06/2008 09:41:23
Mot Juste you really are a disgusting human being. Do you not get bored coming on here writing the same repeated vile disgusting postings. You must have had about 20 different monikers by now. No doubt the previous ones were banned. What a sad pathetic existence you must have.
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sonofcosmos,

glasgow 08/06/2008 10:33:27
#5 terry when scotland went to the kirin cup celtic as a club pulled out their players...they did not ask them to kid on they were injured..its certainly what rangers should have done for the czech rebublic game rather than cause the players to kid on..
#16 colin i think it is fair to say that the friendly was fixed when it did look as though rangers would win the league..
also nice to see david edgar embarress himself in the sunday post...oh the pain ..the pain as zachary smith used to say xxx
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sonofcosmos,

glasgow 08/06/2008 10:37:56
oh the scotland n ireland game was arranged at the end of march...
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gerry mac,

08/06/2008 10:58:56
lol sonof
the pain the pain.
rearrangers ,the hilary clintons of tha sfas 07/08 season-came close ,but got pumped when it really mattered.
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jerrymanders,

Education, education, education.... 08/06/2008 11:34:37
#3 Moral stupidity

"Remind me again, what country paid for his education?"

I really, really, hope that it wasn't my country that paid for your education.
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Sir Minty Moonbeams, Casino Royale,

08/06/2008 11:38:35
I remember vividly the sight of Smith spitting with rage on Sportscene when the subject of Celtic's 1v0 CL win over Man Utd came up.

He bristled and fidgeted in his chair, his teeth clenching in between the short outbursts of how lucky Celtic were, how ill-deserved was there win, that it was all just a flook really. He really is nothing but a bigot.

He was just as qualified for brain-surgery as he was for the Chief Exec. job, but that didn't matter to the sfa ...they just saw another big bloo nose that they thought they could shuffle through the door on the basis that he is an ex-pro , and he could string a few sentences together on sportscene.
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James-Lincoln,

08/06/2008 12:36:56
Nice to see all the Irish being so concerned with all things Scotland.

Just for the record and will allow all the Mopes some more air time to spout the amazing parnoia on show here.

Rangers have had more players play for our country than any other team, in fact probably as much as the most other SPL teams put together.

We have the lion rampant on our shirt,

We have the St Andrew flag on our shirt, and our players play for Scotland, unlike the mopes from the breezeblock towers.

As for wee Aiden the traitor.... the more you scream Timmy, the more it smacks of defending the indefensable.

Now I'm sure there must be a thread on Ireland for all you unemployed traitors to get on.
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Sir Minty Moonbeams, Casino Royale,

08/06/2008 12:37:29
Portsmouth have offered Celtic £2m for Naylor, and considering that he cost £600k and that he isn't being offered an extension to his contract, sounds as though it's a done deal and a great bit of business for Celtic.

There is also growing interest in Balde and at last it looks as though we're going to get the big man out the door.

Getting rid of Gravesen will cost about £2m ...I think we're as well doing that if we can't get him loaned out again.
41

James-Lincoln,

08/06/2008 12:39:00
Funny how Gordon Smith being an ex Rangers is now a big problem to the hate filled Celtic traitors. But not a peep from the same peopkle when Jack McGinn was in charge.

Celtic FC = Scotland's not so secret shame.
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James-Lincoln,

08/06/2008 12:45:07
Sir Minty

Go to some traitor website and talk about the bheastend mob, this is about Scotland and player withdrawals.

Do you honestly think anyone outside of the vermin plaza gives two hoots about Lee Naylor?
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James-Lincoln,

08/06/2008 12:47:28
Kirin cup anyone?

That's right folks, the traitors are complaining about player withdrawals from the Rangers team. Yet Strapon pulled every Celtic player from the Scotland side and nothing much was said.

You have to give credit to that lot from the slum side of Glasgow, they just don't do Irony.
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James-Lincoln,

08/06/2008 12:51:43
Sir moonthico said

I remember vividly the sight of Smith spitting with rage on Sportscene when the subject of Celtic's 1v0 CL win over Man Utd came up.

He bristled and fidgeted in his chair, his teeth clenching in between the short outbursts of how lucky Celtic were, how ill-deserved was there win, that it was all just a flook really. He really is nothing but a bigot.

So there you have it folks, he gritted his teeth which now makes you a bigot to the traitor mob.

Go on Sir dafterse, show me one scrap of proof of Smith being a bigot..... I'l wait right here for you to prove it.

Now come on, show us the proof?

What he really means is, if anyone non Celtic minded gets a job, the Tims will accuse, make slrs and get offended until someone like minded is installed in the job.

Welcome to Republican Scoptland where non Celtic minded are hounded out of jobs.

Celtic fans - hate, bigotry and fascism.
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Gammaracanthuskytodermogammarus,

08/06/2008 12:56:47
#40 thats a great bit of business on Lee Naylor. I have to admit that Gordon Strachan is a shrewd dealer in the transfer market.

Oooops....Adam Virgo who cost £1.5 million a couple of years back and played a couple of games is leaving on a free transfer.

Haha strange how you never mentioned that one.

I wonder how much Donutty is worth now.
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Sentry,

Vanguardbears 08/06/2008 12:57:10
the SFA doctor decides in any case.Rangers players first priority is to the club and the CL.
Incidentally,how did celtc's tour of Japan pan out?
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James-Lincoln,

08/06/2008 13:01:39
Riot survvor, must have been Vigo

Nice to see the Daily Rhebel get McCurry for you lot. The message was clear from this rag, give a decision against the Bhoys and we'll hound you for life.

Of course Kenny Clarke, who sends a Rangers player off every game will escape the clutches of the Celtic driven Scottish media.

Still waiting on the proof of Smith being a bigot Sir accuse a lot.................

Oh that's right! there isn't any, he actually someone who played for Rangers at one stage and that's enough for the traitors to go into meltdown.
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James-Lincoln,

08/06/2008 13:05:51
Sentry

That's right I'd forgotten all about the imaginery tour of Japan. You know the one folks! This was scheduled for the end of the season and was given as a reason for not allowing Rangers more room to play games.

Oh! and I forgot about the Hoops players needing the time to recover for the Euro's ( all 3 of them and one being a goalie)

Is it true the traitors are now being called Cynical FC?
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James-Lincoln,

08/06/2008 13:09:13
Sir maderse

I'm still waiting for proof on Gordon Smith being a bigot.... I know you are just about to prove me wrong, aren't you?

Falsehoods, myth, rumours, slurs and accusations, it's the Sellik way you know.

I'm waiting right here Sir madman.
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Media 1,

cape town 08/06/2008 13:13:54
Its a farce that appears to be a problem ONLY in Scotland!
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Sentry,

vanguardbears 08/06/2008 13:16:08
James-Lincoln
they cant provide proof as there is none.
Lets hope that no x celtc player passes away on the eve of the Scotland match-they wont be in the right frame of mind to play it or is their grief selective?
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Sir Minty Moonbeams, Casino Royale,

I gotta get outts this place 08/06/2008 13:18:26
Roll-up! Roll-up! Rrrrrrroll-up-ah !

Football club for sale !

New to the market (ahem)...

£100m and she's all yours complete with about 40,OOO screaming bogots.
Nice little earner too ...I've only lost £50 odd million meself, but you get to choose the sub-contractors, nudge-nudge say nomore!



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Sir Minty Moonbeams, Casino Royale,

08/06/2008 13:22:32
Football Club For Sale.

Offers : contact Sir Minty by e-mail at ffsgetmeouttahere@bigmistake.co.uk
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gerry mac,

08/06/2008 13:22:44
james lincoln
its in his book.
away a nd ask someone to read it to you.
feelyour pain
m8
4 iar coming up.
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Gammaracanthuskytodermogammarus,

08/06/2008 13:25:43
#49 yes James you are spot on. Mot is also a complete idiot. even his writing style is primitive as no doubt he is.
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Gammaracanthuskytodermogammarus,

08/06/2008 13:31:45
Yes sentry their grief is selective.

When someone dies they do a quick check of the fixture list, in conjunction with a check of the injury and suspension lists.

They then make a decision on whether any fixtures should be pulled.

Its the Semtex way.
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InTheBackPocket,

08/06/2008 13:33:42
James-Lincoln

Unemployed? You mean you are not? McDonalds must be desperate.

Brainless Scum Hurtin' are we Shun. Sad vile sob
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Sir Minty Moonbeams, Casino Royale,

Floggin' a dead horse 08/06/2008 13:36:25
There has been a huge amount of interest from numerous high flying tycoons all fighting each other to buy me out and take over at RFC.

But I want to make sure that it is the RIGHT peron for RFC, and I just haven't found the 'right' person yet.

And ah'll keep on lookin' fur as loang as it takes ....a'right, a'right, a'right...ah'm desperate...ah've goat the bank oan ma case 24/7 over MIH debts, and ah'm needin' ae get that £50m back aff Rangers....ah need a buyer, anywan, right noo ....HEEEEEEEEEEELP ! SOMEONE HEEEEEELP ME !!!!

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Sentry,

Vanguardbears 08/06/2008 13:36:48
bigot=not celtc minded

the real bigots in society=cynical FC

its a pity that Tim Parry and Jonathen Ball cant be around to buy a fathers day gift next week but hey ho dont stop singing your "political"songs and getting all hot and bothered about a few Rangers players pulling out of friendlies-you cant stand them anyway-so whats the problem.
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Sir Minty Moonbeams, Casino Royale,

08/06/2008 13:40:33
The Sunday Herald understands that the £2M for KM will probably constitute half of Rangers transfer kitty.

So there you go, 2m + 2m = 30m
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gerry mac,

08/06/2008 13:56:52
sentry
real sad individual that you are-most people in ireland are trying to move on from the past and all this "whataboutery".
typical bear stuck in the past mentality methinks.you really are the people.keep working on the pride and dignity son-it'll take you far.
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wuggles,

Glasgow 08/06/2008 14:09:17
Sir minty,

Now that you have the Sunday Post to hand, do me a favour and pop over to Pricillas page to see if you can find me a supplier to get a "Where in Ireland is Glasgow" T shirt.
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Sir Minty Moonbeams, Casino Royale,

08/06/2008 14:20:16
How my post at 66 was removed is beyond my comprehension.
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James Connolly,

08/06/2008 14:22:47
62 sentry

Yes i agree its a real pity that those 2 young boys are not here with us.

Do you agree its equally sad that the young father of two, Peter McBride is no longer with us as in 1992 the British Army stopped him for a 'routine' security check.

Peter McBride panicked and ran away from the soldiers. Scots Guardsmen Mark Wright and James Fisher chased him, shot him in the back and killed him.


You would agree that is tragic?

And that is the real point about the north of Ireland both communites have lost loved ones and are desperatly trying to move on so to have a numpty like yourself prattle on about it and most likely knowing little about it is an insult to them many victims on both sides.
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Weel Kent Jambo,

08/06/2008 14:30:16
"At the SFA, however, there has been an implicit understanding they would avoid angering clubs by exercising their rights on the matter."

Aye, and this 'implicit understanding' runs to much more than just call offs as far as the OF is concerned.
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Sir Minty Moonbeams, Casino Royale,

08/06/2008 14:31:22
Will Artur play a blinder today ?

If so, he moves closer to the door. He will be getting scrutinised by some of the biggest clubs in Europe...AC Milan , and despite their later denials, Bayern Munich too. Doubtless a few EPL teams will be looking on with interest.

Having a goalie of Artur's quality is something we're not used to at CP.

Still, if we can get £10M into the coffers, it will make the sadness of his leaving all the more easy to bare...and who's to say Strachan can't go and find another Artur for a few bob somewhere else?
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Sir Minty Moonbeams, Casino Royale,

08/06/2008 14:35:13
If Artur excels throughout the competition, the bidding will start at £10m, and depending on demand, lord knows where the price could go.

If you have AC and two or three other giants determined to land him, and Artur willing to agree terms with any of the bidders, Celtic could come out of this with an absolute fortune.
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gerry mac,

08/06/2008 14:36:19
james con
my point exactly.some of us have lived through 35 years of this gash.time to move on .
on a lighter note,whats that i see coming over the (black)mountain?is it a monster?is it a moonbeam?is it a succulent lamb with a fine bottle of red under his arm?no,its a helicopter and its carrying the spl trophy.still on a high after that.girfut.
hailx2
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BEMUSED EXILE,

08/06/2008 14:46:58
Hi guys.

Just back from a holiday in the old homeland, thankfully a "forum-free" break (it's nice to take one sometimes), so I thought I would drop in to see what was happening. This site grows increasingly confusing, with fans from both sides posting with names that muddy the waters with regard to who they actually support, and some others glorying in impersonating other (and usually better) contributors.

Anyway, to the issue at hand. I would like every footballer to turn up for international duty whenever it is possible to do so, however, to stick a "friendly" a few days before a potentially title-deciding OF game, or before a huge CL qualifier with all the financial ramifications attached to it, is just plain silly, and for me the SFA should have no issue with going into these games without key players who are stuck in such circumstances. A player's loyalty belongs with his club, the organisation who pays his wages. It is a profession, after all, and while international recognition is great, and should be a source of pride, it is, relatively speaking, a bonus.

Moving onto the Kenny Miller issue, my own view is that he is very welcome at Ibrox. No player works harder, he possesses great pace, has scored some huge career goals in International matches, the CL and OF games, and has had a couple of domestic scoring runs, particularly at Wolves, that demonstrate his capabilities when things are going well, so for me, I think he would do a decent job. I'd be more than happy with Velicka and/or Lovenkrands too, who I've read rumours about.

But maybe I'm easier to please than most ;)
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monkey man,

08/06/2008 15:30:30
#73

Artur Boruc is that good a keeper he was unable to keep a clean sheet away from home in the duff SPL for more than a year. Strangely enough, the Celtc led mhedia in Scotland don't like to mention this very salient fact. Maybe Newcastle will offer the change for Boruc from their £ 9 million bid for Scott Broon. lol
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James Connolly,

08/06/2008 16:35:05
82 James and Tim 83

Do you really think its only a "small minority" of Rangers fans who are bigots?

I think the number may be between 40-60% of the core Ibrox followers buy into the Catholic hating suff.

Manchester was a clear reminder that its far from a negligible minority as they would pretend.
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Gammaracanthuskytodermogammarus,

08/06/2008 16:47:14
Bejesus...... there is a ginger leprachaun on the Bbc panel who the Semtex FC supporters hate and who "cannae" speak English.
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W.Churchill,

08/06/2008 17:02:02
Why do so many of the beggars outside London underground stations wear celtic tops and sing there
republican ditties , with a can of super lager in hand?
This question has always intrigued the good people of our capital.
I must admit i never donate any of my hard earned,
would not want to encourage the blighters would i.
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Sentry,

Vanguardbears 08/06/2008 17:17:17
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you would be suprised how much I know clown.Sorry I cant see any reason in your argument-two kids out shopping in England killed by a cowards bomb-another RUNNING away from a checkpoint in a hostile environment???
Both sides have lost innocent people of that there is no doubt but only one side gets away with glorifying terrorists and claiming everyone else is a bigot.
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Sentry,

Vanguardbears 08/06/2008 17:21:06
oh and gerrymac-are we just to pretend it didn't happen to hide your shame?
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Gammaracanthuskytodermogammarus,

08/06/2008 17:27:23
#89 thats true. He won 2 titles fair and square.

That record will forever be tarnished though by the underhand manipulation of a players death to cheat his way to a third title.

Anyway should he not be touring Japan at the moment?
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W.Churchill,

08/06/2008 17:31:00
95.
So that proves it what part of japan is wien in...
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James Connolly,

08/06/2008 18:03:42
93 Sentry

Classy, dignified and a very revealing answer to a real question.

Only in YOUR eyes would the life of the the young McBride be of less value than the 2 kids in Warrington.

Nobody said they were exactly the same circumstances but they were both exactly the same in the simple principle of young INNOCENT lives being lost during a tragic conflict between conflicting communities.

The fact you cant grasp that is as a predictable as it is tragic.
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W.Churchill,

08/06/2008 18:33:55
99.

My perception of any child killers in any guise,
should be a long slow and painful death and never
to be glorified as some sort of political heroism.
Whether it is Warrington,Soham,Worthing or Omagh.
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W.Churchill,

08/06/2008 18:52:32
98.
Is it not time you called ray the reinforcement?
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Private Pike,

08/06/2008 18:52:48
#92 Why do Celtic fans persist wth the myth that Celtic were formed as an organisation to dispense charity to the Catholic poor of Glasgow. It is a lie. This was never part of your constitution. John Grant saw to that when the club was formed. Celtic have always been in existence for one purpose only. To fleece the fans for as much as possible.

Nonetheless, very entertaining when the OF fans get together and try to claim the moral high ground by trying to prove that they are slightly less bigotted than their opponents.
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James-Lincoln,

08/06/2008 18:55:36
Are the bheasts from the east the most pathetic little specimens of dog dirt on this planet or what? Now they are all uber Scotland fans, instead of being plastic Paddies.

The famines over.......... all suffering from blight this mob.

A people who will never be accepted by the majority of Scots, no matter how long you pollute our country. It must be awful knowing all your neighbours, workmates and countrymen despise you lot.

When you turn and walk away, everyone will say he's a mhank that one.

When your neighbours are out of earshot, they will say, he and his family all support terrorism.

It must be awful knowing you are truly despised by 90% of the people who know you.
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James-Lincoln,

08/06/2008 18:59:47
Private Pike

Didn't you know the Bheasts from the east are serial porky tellers?

Remember how they covered up the henious crimes within their football club?

Remember how they changed who threw bananas at Mark Walters?

Reember the air brushing of the IRA videos being filmed at leggoland?

Remember how they supported a fascist military junta during the Falklands campaign?

Remember how they mocked Claudio Reyna after 9/11?

Remember the board of Septic FC sitting beside Hartson and Pearson singing about killing Scottish soldiers?

That's right folks! these Scots want to kill other Scots and then sing about it at football games.

Is it any wonder the world despises these terrorist loving vermin?
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James-Lincoln,

08/06/2008 19:03:54
The tottie munchers don't do Irony do they?

Calling people bigots regardless if the person is or isn't. Yet they sing songs in support of ethnic cleansers and serial murderers every game the Mhanks play.

Despised by all who know them, that's the Septic way.
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sonofcosmos,

glasgow 08/06/2008 19:04:31
come on fellow celts..be gentle with the poor gers fans..a season which promised so much has left them more angry and bitter than normal..their fans even did their best to tarnish their uefa cup final apperance..sad xxx
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James-Lincoln,

08/06/2008 19:06:04
The rea vermin of this land

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/910175.stm



http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/scotland/2275908.stm



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/1285969.stm



http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/scot_prem/4335691.stm



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tyne/6918761.stm



http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4156/is_20050320/ai_n13456293



http://sport.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=588792007



http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4161/is_20030824/ai_n12875543



http://news.scotsman.com/scotland/Airrage-drunk--sang-IRA.4162271.jp
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