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Published Date: 18 November 2007
SCOTLAND 1
Ferguson 65

ITALY 2
Toni 2; Panucci 90


IN THE end, the emotions were not so much mixed as scrambled to the four corners of Hampden. We had seen Italy score in 70 seconds, we had seen them dominate the early minutes with some chilling football that not only took the fire out of the home support but also shocked Alex McLeish's team to the core. But in the final stages of the game it was the world champions who had the heat coming on them, their lead wiped-out by a scrambled Barry Ferguson goal just after the hour, their assurance of before in danger of being stripped away.

With ten minutes remaining, Scotland drove forward once again, the substitute Kenny Miller linking with James McFadden and sending the most delicious ball across the Italian penalty area. The Azzurri were at sixes and sevens, Fabio Cannavaro and Gianluca Zambrotta, two of the game's pre-eminent defenders from two of the world's most glamorous clubs, were over-run. None of them had picked up McFadden.

He was running free, just to the left of Italy's back post. As Miller's cross came over he was the man all Scots would have wanted go be on the end of it. In the moment, McLeish said that his life flashed in front of his eyes. Euros here we come! Alas, no. McFadden's shot went wide of the post. Painfully, agonisingly wide.

Hampden picture gallery





Italy had been warned and Italy responded. With a minute of normal time remaining, Christian Panucci missed a sitter from a close-range header. A minute later, a ludicrous decision given against the excellent Alan Hutton presented the Italians with a free-kick in a dangerous spot. Andrea Pirlo took it and Panucci headed home the winner. Scotland were officially out of the European championships.

So much for the omens. The week was full of them, most dreamed up by a tabloid press hungry for another spread to add to the spreads upon spreads they'd already thrown at this game. Andy Watson was going to wear his lucky socks, we were told. That was good. The match was being played on the 17th of the month at 17.00 hours. For Italy, this was apparently bad. A tall tale of a spy in the Scotland camp was interpreted, by the fantasy factory that produced it, as a positive for McLeish. Italy were worried. On and on went the theories.

As evidenced by their goal after 70 seconds, and a second chance in the third minute that really should have brought them another, the Italians weren't inconvenienced too much by the Hampden experience. The early goal was what McLeish would have lived in dread of and there it was, ugly as sin. A calamity in defensive terms, a kick in the stomach of the nation's aspirations. Zambrotta took a throw on the left touchline and flung it to an unmarked Antonio Di Natale in the Scottish penalty area. The sucker blow was nigh. Di Natale had enough time to stroke a ball across the six yard box and Luca Toni had the freedom to knock it home, getting in ahead of Stephen McManus. Criminal.

What good were Watson's lucky socks now?

Toni is some operator. He is big and he is nimble but most of all he is one of the great finishers in the game at present. It was his two goals that did for the Scots in Bari in their first meeting in this group. Italy had loads of chances that night but it was Toni who got the job done.

Scotland had not yet recovered from the goal when they could have lost another, the relentless Toni setting up Mauro Camoranesi only for the Juventus midfielder to drive it over. These were awful moments for Scotland. In the 13th minute, Toni fired in a vicious shot and Craig Gordon was forced to push it away for a corner. By the time Scotland gained some composure and started chasing the game they were fortunate to have a game to chase. One goal, in the circumstances, was no disaster.

They had a period in the middle of the half when optimism began to grow. A Lee McCulloch shot from the edge of the box came off the upper arm of Zambrotta and a huge appeal went up for a penalty that was rightly not awarded. Ferguson shot over under pressure just after, then Hutton, who had been having a hard time of it dealing with Di Natale but who went on to have a thunderous game, got above Zambrotta and headed narrowly wide. There was a growing accuracy in their play when Italy reminded their hosts what a dangerous game they were playing by piling forward in such numbers.

Just after the half hour, Di Natale had the ball in Gordon's net. Camoranesi got free down the right and put a cross in that caused some panic in the Scottish defence. Initially, Gordon made a stunning close-range save from Massimo Ambrosini but then Di Natale stuck away the loose ball. It was ruled-out for offside but the goal was good. Hampden heaved a sigh of relief.

Next, they cried out with anguish for we weren't done with the close shaves. The last act of the half was a David Weir header that looked a goal all over until Pirlo cleared off the line. With the ball in flight and seemingly heading for the top right hand corner of Gianluigi Buffon's goal the television cameras picked out McLeish's excitement.

Clearly the manager thought it was in but then up popped Pirlo and nutted it away.

If Weir's near miss served as a reminder that Scotland were alive it also came as confirmation that Italy aren't normally in the business of losing one goal, not to mind two. That was the way of it for the first 20 minutes of the second half; Scotland pressed and Italy soaked it up. Slowly the dream seemed to be fading away.

We have thought that way many times in this campaign, though. We have thrown negativity at McLeish and his players and amid so many moments of darkness they have worked their way towards the light. It was Hutton's turn to lead last night. The Rangers full-back scampered down the right on one of those daring runs that are fast becoming his trademark. He was hauled down by Zambrotta, just outside the box, just slightly to the right.

Paul Hartley and McFadden discussed their options as Italy constructed their defensive wall. In the end, McFadden just hit it. Putting it mildly, it was not his sweetest strike, but it worked. Somehow, the thing panned-out. McFadden's shot was a low scuttery thing that went on an improbable journey, first off Ferguson's heel and then into the path of McCulloch. The midfielder stabbed weakly at the ball but Buffon spilled it. As he moved to make amends Ferguson came sliding in like a train, sweeping the ball into the net. Hints of offside, maybe, but mercy be, they were level.

They tried. How they tried to get the winner. McFadden had all of Hampden on its feet and then on its knees with his great chance towards the end. For Scotland, that was the last opportunity. Panucci was the man who settled this, his header securing the win and robbing McLeish's men of the small comfort of a draw and the slim possibility of qualification. All of it was yanked away. It was a horrible moment at the end of a pulsating night.

One of many on the road that brought us here in the first place.

HAND OF ZAM


SCOTLAND were denied a penalty in the 15th minute when Gianluca Zambrotta blocked Lee McCulloch's goal-bound shot with his arm. The incident came during a period of sustained Scotland pressure during which they forced several corners as they tried to cancel out Luca Toni's early opener. From one of the corners, the ball broke to McCulloch on the edge of the box. His right-foot effort was on target but struck Zambrotta on the arm. The Scots appealed strongly for a penalty but Spanish referee Manuel Mejuto Gonzalez waved away the claims.

SCOTLAND


Craig Gordon 6

Could do nothing about Italy's opener but poor positioning at second. Made two excellent saves, however.

Alan Hutton 9

Terrific play on the right and was always a potent threat. Defended well, too. Scotland's best on the night.

David Weir 6

Bad first few minutes, but recovered to play well and was so unlucky with header cleared off line by Pirlo.

Stephen McManus 7

Struggled against Toni at first and caught out for the opening goal. But became increasingly dominant in defence.

Gary Naysmith 7

Unlucky to be booked for foul on Toni when the Italian striker dived, frankly. Bossed his side until Panucci's goal.

Paul Hartley 6

Played his holding role well, but was caught in possession at times.
Passing was often delightful.

Scott Brown 6

Terrier-like as always and kept going manfully but he is still inexperienced at this level and was replaced.

Barry Ferguson 7

The captain tried everything he knew to get the team going. And scoring is the perfect way to do it.

Darren Fletcher 6

Part of a combative midfield but of all the Scots he least appreciated the heavy conditions.

Lee McCulloch 7

Denied a stonewall penalty when Zambrotta parried his shot. Harshly booked and tried hard throughout.

James McFadden 7

One-man attack did his best against world champion defence. Never stopped trying and unlucky with late chance.

Substitutes: Kenny Miller (for Brown, 74): Worked hard, 5; Kris Boyd (for McCulloch, 92): No time, 4. Not used: Allan McGregor, Graham Alexander, Gary Caldwell,Stephen Pearson, Barry Robson.

ITALY


Gianluigi Buffon 6

The silly hatted one did what he had to do well enough, but could have done better at Scotland's goal.

Christian Panucci 7

Can't argue with a defender who polices his side of defence very well and then scores a late winner.

Fabio Cannavaro 6

Seemed a bit unsure of himself at set-pieces and when faced with a charging Scot, but mostly fine.

Andrea Barzagli 7

Caught out for Scotland's goal but otherwise was very sound in the heart of an Italian defence facing one striker.

Gianluca Zambrotta 7

The Barcelona player showed why he is one of the world's best, but he did make the odd error out wide.

Andrea Pirlo 7

Brilliant clearance off the line from Weir's header and was, as always, a threat from the set pieces.

Gennaro Gattuso 7

Made all his experience tell in midfield and was Mr Perpetual Motion until he seemed to tire. Replaced by De Rossi.

Massimo Ambrosini 6

Made a bright start but was not a threat at all in the second half as Scotland began to dominate midfield.

Mauro Camoranesi 6

Surprisingly ineffectual at first, but showed up better when switched to midfield until going off late on.

Luca Toni 6

Took goal quite brilliantly and troubled the Scottish defence at times. But marked down for cheating.

Antonio Di Natale 7

Set up the opening goal and lost out on a second thanks to referee. But mostly quiet and first to be replaced.

Substitutes: Vincenzo Iaquinta (for Di Natale, 68): Replaced a poor one and proved even worse,4; Giorgio Chiellini (for Camoranesi, 83) Showed up well in his short time, 6; Daniele De Rossi (for Gattuso, 87) No time to show, 4.

Substitutes not used: Marco Amelia, Massimo Oddo, Simone Perrotta, Alberto Gilardino.

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Andrew from Italy,

17/11/2007 18:14:27

Not bad. not bad. We like the fairplay of the scottish fans.
(sorry for my english)
I wait you in Venice...


Bravi ragazzi. fate bene allo sport. ;-)))

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Mario 2.0 (at home),

17/11/2007 18:51:43

Thats too much to take. That is just too much to take.

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John A.,

Dubai 17/11/2007 18:58:09

Yet again...

I have just been watching a (Spanish) referee award Italy a freekick after Hutton was flattened by his opponent.

And guess what? - the ball comes off an Italian's shoulder and wrongfoots the Scotland defence.

Game over.

When will EUEFA/FIFA get round to punishing the gamesmanship and downright cheating that the Italians have cultivated over the decades?

As for the referees, critical decisions always seem to go against the 'wee teams'.

Can we actually do something about this or will Blatter and his smug Europhiles continue with the garbage platitudes?

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Patrick O'Shaunnessy,

17/11/2007 19:03:37

Now you know what it feels like to be a Celtic fan ....up against one of the establishment clubs and a freakish decision by the referee confers upon the opponents an undeserved advantage from which they score.
It reminds me of that penalty got at Tynecastle...a totally bizarre decision , wreaking of prejudice.
It happened to Scotland tonight....we got ripped off...hung out to dry ...ref must have been bent ....could not possibly have awarded a free kick unless through partisanship...like , undeniable that dark forces were in operation...the ref was as straight as a thirty bob note.

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Ceolmor,

BC Canada 17/11/2007 19:07:46

WE WERE ROBBED, THE GREATEST ROBBERY IN HISTORY!

Now I have to go and drown my sorrows, when the pub opens!

Meanwhile I have to go and pick up my new car from that Italian saleman, probably is robbing me too! (Thinks! How can I insult him........I know, I will call him an ENGLISHMAN!}

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robibhoy,

home in scotland 17/11/2007 19:07:53

that s foul

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Mario on another machine,

17/11/2007 19:08:01

10 shutup about the old firm for once eh? this is about scotland.

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clach,

Far Outer Hebrides 17/11/2007 19:15:15

DISGRACEFUL.

This referee (and linemen) MUST be on the take. That's the only conclusion you can come to after seeing the decisions towards the end of that match. That clown should have been booked for that challenge on Hutton that led to the second goal! And Italy get the foul. With Italy being involved you have to assume that the referee was on the take.

SCOTSMAN make yourself worthwhile and get your most odious hack tailing that CHEATING referee's every move in his life. Do some real investigative journalism and find out what this scumbag was given for CHEATING Scotland.

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JamesyBHOY,

17/11/2007 19:18:05

When will EUEFA/FIFA get round to punishing the gamesmanship and downright cheating that the Italians have cultivated over the decades?
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Never if it's at the expense of the 'smaller' nations!

The exact same ref gave a Man U penalty against Celtic in the CL last season. Right in the final minute.

He 'failed' to spot or act on Totti gobbing on an opponent a few years back etc.

The Italians are the worst cheats in the game. They're always involving in hooliganism that's lately escalated in people dying. Then there was the whole corruption crap, that involved Milan. Uefa did nothing, then they went on to win the CL. After they won the WC in 82, they were also involved in a whole lot of crap. Promised to clean it up but ended up doing nothing!

At the end of the day, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if they backhanded him a nice little earner to make sure the crucial decisions went in favour of them.

Sh1t happens, at the end of the day, nothing will be done about it!

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Mario on another machine,

17/11/2007 19:18:39

I'll have to see that challenge again . Just incase, before I start a bombing campaign in Italy.

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clach,

Far Outer Hebrides 17/11/2007 19:19:23

#16 We humped you off the park, we were by far the best team and deserved a draw at the very least.

After watching that match I'd be EMBARRASSED to be Italian. You were outplayed and had to rely on a referee on the take.

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Zlatan,

17/11/2007 19:20:25

Dear Scots

if you applaud your team for their commendable effort in this qualifying group I'm with you.

if I you genuinely believe that Scotland deserved to go to Euro 2008 instead to Italy you are deluding yourself.
What was on show tonight was a world class team playing away from home in terrible weather conditions and yet exhibiting a 4-3-3 formation.

Scotland did not have a technical answer to Italy's superiority and relied on their athleticism, commitment and enthusiasm to win the game.

It did not work, it could, but it didn't.

Blaming the ref as some of you are doing in pathetic, talking about conspiracy theories is ludicrous.

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Mario on another machine,

17/11/2007 19:25:23

Im with you some of the way Zlatan.. Macfadden shouldve and couldve scored that open goal, and there was no 100% need for that foul to result in a goal.

But it wasnt a foul mate.

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Zlatan,

17/11/2007 19:27:05

20. clach, Far Outer Hebrides

After watching that match I'd be EMBARRASSED to be Italian. You were outplayed and had to rely on a referee on the take.

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Sour grapes, anyone?

Since it sounds as if you live in a beautiful place by the Atlantic Ocean why do not go out for a nice walk, breath some fresh air and then come back and reconsider with a serene mind some of the absurd claims of ref bias, curruption and stuff...

It is not because many of you repeat to one other the same theories that they become true.

If you recorded the game watch it in 1 week time....

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Beergoggles,

London 17/11/2007 19:28:30

#11 & 14 robibhoy

Why do you lump idiots like the comment at 8 with the whole English nation? You can't be that consumed with hatred, surely?

I'n sorry that Scotland lost. I had to listen on the radio and you were well and truly robbed.

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clach,

Far Outer Hebrides 17/11/2007 19:31:58

#22 The only thing that was ludicrous out there tonight was the performance of the referee. How can you watch that display by the dobber in red and not come to that conclusion?

Scotland outplayed Italy, especially in the second half. Italy were on their knees waving a white flag (with Donadoni bringing on defensive players, and Italy uncharacteristically booting the ball right out of defence).

Face up to it, Scotland were the better team, and the only reason Italy won was because the referee gave a SHAMEFULLY BIASED decision in their favour.

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Mario 2.0 (at home),

17/11/2007 19:34:30

fair enough 26, good luck. The rest of you are back to pointscoring already. Just give it a break nows not the time.

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nwtrunner,

Canada 17/11/2007 19:37:56

Exciting game and a heart-wrenching finish. Terrible call at the end, but Italy took full advantage.

I'm sure Faddy will replay his chance many times in the next few days!

A superb effort from Scotland and it was a treat to watch them through this campaign (with the exception of the dreadful Georgia game!). Aye, it may be another glorious failure, but it was something to watch!

France and Italy advance - quelle surprise! And what will we all think if Ukraine defeats France on Wednesday....

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Big Stevie,

Sydneyside 17/11/2007 19:38:30

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Scotland a bit unlucky and feelings are running high amongst a passionate football support who havent been to a major finals in ten years so please forgive the odd outburst of frustration.

I think allegations of ref bias are a bit wide of the mark and borne out of the crushing disappointment of losing the match, after all Ferguson looked suspiciously offside when Scotland equalised.

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clach,

Far Outer Hebrides 17/11/2007 19:38:45

#25 Wait until the clips of that foul (and several leading up to it in the latter part of the second half) are on youtube, and then try and tell me that Italy deserved that foul that led up to the goal? The Italian could have been booked for his challenge.

It was a great game, and draw might have been a fair result in the end, but the referee stepped in with one of the worst decisions I've ever seen.

Hutton has the ball in his possession, is running away from goal with it, the Italian barges into his, sends him flying to the ground and the referee gives a FOUL to Italy? Eh?

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Reg, Perth WA,

17/11/2007 19:38:58

RIDICULOUS
THIS IS THE WORST WAY TO LOSE
THE REFEREE AND THE LINESMAN MUST BE ACCOUNTABLE IN SOME WAY!
YES THE RESULT STANDS BUT THE POWERS THAT BE MUST SEE THE PROBLEM AND REACT ACCORDINGLY!
IN MONEY TERMS, HOW MUCH DID SCOTTISH FOOTBALL STAND TO GAIN BY QUALIFICATION?
YET THE THE OFFICIALS RETURN HOME TO THEIR LITTLE FINANCIAL OBLIGATIONS WITH NO RECOURSE?
I AM GUTTED, WE MADE MISTAKES ON THE NIGHT AND PAID THE PENALTY, BUT ONLY BY SOMEONE ELSE'S ERRORS OF JUDGEMENT.
DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS, BUT THIS SO WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THE SAME HAPPENED AGAINST AUSTRALIA IN THE WORLD CUP.
SOMEONE HAS TO BE ACCOUNTABLE WHERE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ARE AT STAKE.

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blaropal,

here 17/11/2007 19:39:33

i watched on french tv and to my untrained eye it seemed as though the decisions were generally fair up to the point where scotland scored, thereafter it seemed the whistle started to blow in the italians favour at the slightest hint of contact. then the 90th minute decision, you know the one i mean, watched by millions the referee hands italy the game winning chance.

where is the sport in this?

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Zlatan,

17/11/2007 19:39:55

27. clach, Far Outer Hebrides

From the UEFA website - Match stats

Ball possession 50-50

Shots 13 Italy 12 Scotland

Shots on target 9 Italy 5 Scotland

You must have seen a different game.

After 10 mins it could have been 0-2 out of sheer merit or was it the ref's fault that too??

DiNatale's goal should have stood the linesman waving an absurd offside (not mentioning an handball as some of view claim - that the linesman did not see or else it would have made the typical gesture).

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Exiled in Sydney,

gutted in Sydney 17/11/2007 19:40:21

#24, Sorry mate but you're an idiot.

Where was Weir for the goal? trying to cut out the cross was where he was. He didn't manage that so his bad but where was McManus? Falling on his arse as toni prodded it in was where.

Where was Fergie? Up the park scoring the equaliser that's where.

We lost today and we probably didn't deserve that but if we think we should have won then sorry but that's not true either. A draw would have been about fair and for you to once again turn a scotland game into a "let's have a go at rangers" rant is just stupid.

I doubt the ref was on the take, he's just not that.

Bring on the world cup qualifiers and hopefully a more winable group

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17/11/2007 19:45:07
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17/11/2007 19:45:51
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Zlatan,

17/11/2007 19:46:28

You guys are unbelievable.

YOU ALL BELIEVE SCOTLAND WILL NOT GO TO EURO 2008 BECAUSE OF PANUCCI`S GOAL, WHILE SCOTLAND HAD HAD A GLORIOUS OPPORTUNITY TO SCORE EARIER ON IN THE GAME AND SQUANDERED IT.

And Italy (the brave) created in Glasgow many more clear cut chances than Scotland (that had to win) did.

Can you blame the ref for that too?

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Reg, Perth WA,

17/11/2007 19:49:13

#24 YOU ARE A STIRRING CLOWN WITH NO LIFE WHATSOEVER!
YOU ARE THE REASON THAT I, AND A FEW OTHERS USUALLY AVOID THIS SITE.
TAKE YOUR TRIVIAL BIGOTRY ELSEWHERE!
NO DOUBT YOU SHALL RETURN WITH SOME NO LIFE COMEBACK.
FEEL FREE TO MAKE YOUR USUAL INANE COMMENTS, FREE OF REPRISAL, I DO NOT TALK TO USED TOILET PAPER!
END OF..............

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Dalgla,

Scotland 17/11/2007 19:50:10

Tartan Army man till I die...
Alba: Tha mo gaol agam ort!

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hooped,

consumer hell 17/11/2007 19:59:22

bribery?
corruption?
itlalians?
spaniards?
That was the most shocking free kick in the history of the European Chamionships. It is so clear that that the Italians were never going to be aloowed to go out of this competition? How much did the ref get for giving that free kick?
We Wuz Robbed

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Emanuele,

Manchester, but from Italy 17/11/2007 20:01:15

Can't believe there are people here complaining for the referee. A valid Italian goal disallawed and an invalid allowed for Scotland and you are here talking of free kicks...! And yet still the same crap about the Italian cheaters....

Guys, learn the rules... or give up whiskie... maybe youll make it through next time (if the 4-times World champions are not around, naturally...)

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hooped,

consumer hell 17/11/2007 20:05:07

#45
you were not at the races. It was all scotland in the second half and the only way you were able to win was by wasting time and bribing the referee. There uis noo way that any sane person could ever say that that was a free kick to italy. away and bile yer heid!

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Emanuele,

Manchester, but from Italy 17/11/2007 20:05:39

Can't believe there are people here complaining for the refreeing. A valid Italian goal disallowed and the Scot goal off-side. And you are here still talking of a free kick awarded in the 91st minute! Can't believe it...

Guys, learn the rules... or give up whiskie, you may make it through next time
(if the 4 TIMES WORLD CHAMPIONS are not around, obviously)...

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Vancouver,

Canada 17/11/2007 20:07:14

It is the same old story, everybody is to blame but the team, they blew the game in 70 seconds.
Scotland is only to blame for themselves, they used to produce World Class Players all from the kids playing in the streets, with the BB's, Schools Etc., I remember in Edinburgh many years ago I used to play in the morning with the school and in the afternoon with the BB's, I also remember Inverleith Park used to have football Pitches 6 feet apart from each other, now thereis very little, why because there is no incouragement for children nowadays and we are loosing that natural talent we used to have.

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Trunce,

Yorkshire 17/11/2007 20:07:25

#44 Ah! So the Italians play dirty & devious Spanish referee colludes against the Scots. Even worse Russia and Israel are in the pay of the English, to determine an unfair result. Scots = ‘Victims ? Us’.

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shakespeare,

edinburgh, scotland 17/11/2007 20:08:04

Hey Ultras Ancona
Why the agression against Canada? Who are you - the Casa Nostra? Canada is only speaking what he saw, and no neutral would say otherwise. Scotland ran rings around the "world champions" for much of the time - yes we missed a few chances that cost us the game, but try to be honest - are you really saying that Hutton fouled your defender in the last minute ? Sure didn't look that way to me and my neutral friends - Chechen, English , South African ....
So Italy, just be pleased that you scraped through tonight and acknowledge that Scotland took you to the wire - you were lucky .

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clach,

Far Outer Hebrides 17/11/2007 20:08:12

#34 As once said by a famous Danish philospher, "statistics are like miniskirts, they look great but they conceal the best details".

Scotland had the momentum. Donadoni made some changes to play for a draw. Half of Italy's team looked knackered on their feet.

All of which is irrelevant. The fact is that the referee has made some UNFATHOMABLE decisions at the end of that match.

Stand up and tell the world honestly that you believe that was a deserved free kick that led to Panucci's goal.

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numpty,

Dublin 17/11/2007 20:08:45

"Panucci knocked Scotland out of the European championships, climbing high and heading home from a corner."

Which game were you watching, Mr English?! Did you *really* miss the most controversial decision of the whole match?

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ReSuazo,

sardinia 17/11/2007 20:08:51

it's silly that the scots are blaiming on the refereee...in the first half di natale was not in off side, his score was good, while the gol of 1-1 was in offside......haow can you say that the italiasn were utplayed? in the first half Italy dominated! The free kick of 2-1 was wrongm that's true, but Scotland would not have won anyway.....All things considered, in two matches Italy has been better than Scotland...Some Scots are SORE LOSERS!

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renzo nasi,

euro 2008 17/11/2007 20:10:57

I lived in scotland and really like there, but is really RIDICULOUS that you complain about the referee. Just to remember you that the scottish goal was CLEARLY on offside while the secondo di natale's goal was NOT in offside.

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TWSHRIMPER,

Tunbridge Wells 17/11/2007 20:14:38

Hi lads, Just wanted to say what a shame it is that as usual it was the referee who robbed you - and not being good... but not good enough.
We on the other hand have been bad ... but not bad enough.

And you boys thought that by this time it would be Jocks through and us out. Hee hee.

Raise a glass x x

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gordo999,

Vancouver, Canada 17/11/2007 20:16:17

Stop the whining...please!!! Leave that to the Italians et al. We're not good enough. I called it yesterday, that we'd have to play smart football. We did not, giving up an early goal at home. The real story was the losses to Georgia and the Ukraine, typical of the Scottish kamikaze squadron.

Bertie Vogts got run out of town for far less. He lost mostly friendlies, not crucial matches like the Georgia loss. There was no excuse for that. Vogts was early in his tenure and experimenting, Mcleish had the advantage of those errors and insights. The Moldova debacle cost Vogts his job, but when Eck lost to Georgia in a must win situation, he got a pat on the back. Same witth Judas Smith; he lost a critical big one and was applauded. It smacks of racism.

Kenny Dalglish, the most successful manager available to Scotland, was overlooked for McLeish. Kenny wasn't even asked, even though he sat next to the SFA's Taylor at a luncheon before the selection. You tell me what that was about and it might reveal why we're always losing the big ones. There's a lot of graft going on.

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bus user,

edinburgh 17/11/2007 20:21:04

#44 - How, exactly, would Italy have gone out if the result had stayed a draw? Was it going to gee up the Faeroes so much they would beat Italy next week?
Did no-one notice that our goal was offside?
Did no-one notice that Italy had a perfectly good goal disallowed?
Would anyone have thought it was a penalty if the ball had played a Scotland jersey?
Does anyone think that France would have lost to Ukraine even if we had got a draw?
Why not celebrate the fact that we were in with a chance?
If you really want to be critical, which I suppose is sacrilege, what was our centre half doing at the first goal, why wasn't Brown subbed as he was not contributing, and why didn't Miller take responsibility and shoot?
Scotland gave it their best shot and it just wasn't enough. At least McLeish acted with dignity at the end and pulled Aitken away from the Linesman. I wonder if he was talking about his illegal shy in the 1988 Scottish Cup Final? And, mindful of the fine textual analysts in the wild west, 'No' I'm not a Rangers supporter, just a Scotland fan pleased that the team did its best.

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Trunce,

Yorkshire 17/11/2007 20:21:13

#56 Listen on Internet Radio - it didn't go as well as you thought!

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Hula,

17/11/2007 20:22:00

I thank god I live in a country where our fans will not go out and riot, or destroy fiats, just because we lost.

I'm gutted but proud.

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TWSHRIMPER,

Tunbridge Wells 17/11/2007 20:25:01

Any of you lot gonna come out and watch the big tournament in Austria/Switzerland????

You will be involved in the usual role - as opponents against the best teams in Europe that qualified for warm-up games.

Once again there will be no pre-tournament worries for you lads bout metatarsals or squad choices, no nail biting in the group stages. You can relax and watch the big boys get serios in the proper stages of a tournament.

Heyyy, relax ... you have got another summer off!!

EN - GER - LAND x x

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Hula,

17/11/2007 20:27:14

62 - TWSHRIMPER - another sufferer of low self esteem.

Please, please don't riot if you don't win.

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BEMUSED EXILE,

17/11/2007 20:29:05

Damn that referee!

I came onto these threads earlier and predicted a 1-1 draw, so he really screwed me up with that contentious late decision.

That aside however, a brave, but ultimately not quite good enough effort from Scotland against, it shouldn't be forgotten, the world champions.

I now expect Italy and France to go on and win their final games, and create a little bit of a gap at the top, leaving us all to ponder why we really felt we could upset the applecart in the first place.

The great thing, ultimately, about our campaign, is that it has put us back where we feel that we belong, ie, in the upper reaches of Europe's 2nd division, threatening promotion to the top tier, and capable of making life difficult for the very best on our day. Under Berti, I feel that we had dropped down to Division 4, so it's a huge step upwards.

Looking back on the campaign, I feel it is exceptional only in one aspect, and that is the 2 bloody noses that we gave to France. We certainly rode our luck in those matches, but our counter-attacking system seemed to be effective against them. Our 2 wins against the Faroes (easy at home, a struggle away) are exactly what we should expect. Likewise, a narrow away win in Lithuania, and a slightly easier home win are in keeping with the respective merits of the 2 teams. Home wins against Georgia (surely better than a Pot 6 team) and Ukraine, coupled with away defeats against the same teams, are testament to the fact that the 3 teams are not very far apart in overall ability terms.
Finally, our 2 battling defeats against Italy show that we can compete, if not necessarily triumph, at the highest level.

Finishing a comfortable 3rd in this section is a very good overall performance, and there is a realistic chance that we will now be a pot 2 team for the European qualifying groups for the 2010 World Cup, the draw for which takes place next week, and that will be the least reward that Scotland deserve f

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bus user,

edinburgh 17/11/2007 20:30:35

I've just re-read #24.
I suppose it was a biased Scottish referee who made the decision a few years ago when Celtic were refereed out of a result away to Juventus? Er, no.
Crap decisions happen, and, strangely, not just to Celtic. Just ask any non-Old Firm fan.
Scotland just didn't have enough in the tank and blaming players because of the clubs they play for is just daft.
Now let's hope for a better draw in the World Cup qualifiers.

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Omond,

LA, California 17/11/2007 20:31:20

Instead of UEFA investigating Scottish teams for every minor infraction, maybe it's time someone investigated UEFA. Just because a country will fall into a weekend of murderous rioting is no reason for making sure they win a football game. Or maybe it is.

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Big Stevie,

Sydneyside 17/11/2007 20:34:43

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Yes quite right but we still get a laugh as you t@ssers get pumped on penalties by the Germans which is almost as good as actually being there.

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DanielDaniel,

17/11/2007 20:35:49

Now, are you lot serious or have you become a bunch of cry-babies?
I've always admired the Scots' sportmanship but I wonder if you're serious.

The referee was a disgrace, but if you truly believe that his mistakes were an advantage to Italy you lot deserve a good shrink.

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Lone-eye,

17/11/2007 20:36:05

Feel as robbed as everyone else, not that we've any right to feel that way as we should've been 2-0 down if the linesman had been awake. The Italians were far better technically but the passionate 2nd half performance and amazing atmosphere will live long in the memory. Shame the players took so long to come out for the deserved lap of honour. Crap performances in Georgia and Bari cost us, not a poor free-kick decision.
Hope we find a goal-scorer from somewhere before the World Cup campaign

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TWSHRIMPER,

Tunbridge Wells 17/11/2007 20:37:07

As a serious response to the poster of comment 58 - I am gobsmacked!!
Scotland performed immensely well in a group where in terms of footballing strength they should in reality have never got close.
Could you seriously expect any more from your players and management? You had the two World Cup finalists and Ukraine in the one group.
I have been winding you up purely because I understand how gutted but proud you should be.
As an Englishman I am glad Scotland failed to qualify on a day we could have gone out. I remember too well Hampden roaring "You didna qualify" for 90 minutes in May 1978.
Sometimes great pride and passion will help but quality with pride and passion willusually do it.
Stop whinging - Scotland did Scotland proud.
You may still be laughing on Wednesday - Croatia are no mugs.
C'mon England x x

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edinburgh 17/11/2007 20:38:20

#58 - gordo999. Sorry, you're just wrong. I used to work, and play 5-a-side footbal, with David Taylor when he had a real job. The way he felt about the two sides of the baleful Old Firm would have led him straight to Dalglish, if Kenny had had the slightest interest. And no, Taylor's not a Celtic fan, but he is emphatically not a Rangers one!

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bear ass,

G14? I prefer G12! 17/11/2007 20:38:20

The game tonight? C'est la vie. Decisions went for us decisions went against us - no complaints. A few posters, however, have really got on my boobs!

#62 Shrimp-sized-cock Just checked the table - you don't seem to have qualified yet so cut-the-crap

POS - can't be bothered checking the number of your post but - Alan Hutton MOM, BF not far behind, Brown subbed, McAnus at fault for first goal, Hartly?? Get the specks off mucker...

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clach,

Far Outer Hebrides 17/11/2007 20:41:24

#69 Of course the referee made a mistake to Italy's advantage - they scored a goal from his "mistake".

Who are you to talk about sportsmanship?

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TWSHRIMPER,

Tunbridge Wells 17/11/2007 20:41:30

Hey Big Stevie - thats what it is all about though!!
We take tonight to gloat and you look forward to our penalties.
It is why they have international tournaments!!

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Surrey Sassenach,

Surrey 17/11/2007 20:42:19

Unlucky, Scotland. Still, things could be worse. At least it now looks as if England will be there in Austria...

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DanielDaniel,

17/11/2007 20:43:42

#74

Who am I? A bloke like you, so we're even here.
Italy's second goal came from a wrong decision, that I can concede, but even our disallowed goal and Scotland's allowed goal came from mistakes.
You shouldn't just judge the bit that fits your frame, know that?

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vox21,

London 17/11/2007 20:46:32

hi all you scots, you are a bunch of smashing fellows and i love you all. having said that, the whining about the referee after this game sounds a bit pathetic.

Italy won because you guys were still in the dressing room when Italy scored after a minute. In order to qualify / win major competition it is not good enough to have a great run of games. It is thos crucial moments in the crucial games that make the difference. You conceded a goal and most of the first half. You should have been 2-0 down as di Natale goal was perfectly regular.

in teh second half scotland were the better team, no doubt about it, but you equalised with a goal that should have not stood (offside again). so it was 1-1 when it should have been 0-2 and game over. Still you had the match point, another of those crucial moment and McFadden, of all people squandered it.

then, in the 91 minute, after Italy had only just missed the winner, the referee gave that free kick. no doubt, it was never a free kick. still, it wasn't a penalty, it was a free kick near the corner!!!!!

Please, be gracious in defeat. you lost to a great team, made up of 11 great players, not cheaters!!!! Italy didn't cheat, they went through.

you lost to Georgia. a fair analysis of why you didn't go through will improve your chances next time around. otherwise, you'll end up like your neighbours, the ones who rather than look at their mistakes prefer blaming it on simeone, the hand of god, a swiss ref, ronaldo winks...... You are better than that... aren't you??

take care

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milanese,

milan 17/11/2007 20:51:44

lol same old brits moaning about the referee's decisions...
anyway it was a great match from both sides. Fantastic fans in hampden, a lot of sore loosers on here.

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shakespeare,

edinburgh, scotland 17/11/2007 20:54:04

Well Mr Tunbridge Wells (shrimp)
your anti-Scotland sentiments are all well and good , but your serios ? Eng-ger-landers still have to overcome the mighty Croatia before you can enjoy your nail biting in the group stages. ! Of course here in Scotland we are all right behind you all the way .

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TWSHRIMPER,

Tunbridge Wells 17/11/2007 20:55:15

Comment 79. As one of Scotland's neighbours i am interested in the excuses you think we make.
Some are valid...BUT!! I was in The Azteca in 1986 and if you think that even the greatest player on earth is allowed to punch the ball into the net - you are crazy.
I have no criticism of Maradona or Argentina for THAT goal. It was reflex to punch when he could not head and it is madness to suggest he should have chased after the official shouting "oiii ref it was me 'and guv".
Having said all that - it is no silly excuse. He did punch the ball x x

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Trunce,

Yorkshire 17/11/2007 20:55:21

#64 - I was teasing. I'm half Hebridian half Yorkshireman. & a Yorkshireman is a Scotsman with the generosity beaten out of him. I’m simply intrigued with the Anglo/Scots psyche, and follow with interest the debate in Scots media. Your suggestion of England v Scotland – would be interesting, but for the reaction, rather than the result!

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John A.,

Dubai 17/11/2007 20:55:29

#38

Obviously passions are running high tonight.

First of all, if Scotland had won tonight it would have been desperately hard on Italy who played excellently for much of the match and, yes, were unlucky to have the second 'goal' chalked off.


However their incessant dialogue (See Gatusso in the match replays) with the referee, their refusal to move back when it was a Scotland free kick, their jersey pulling as soon as a Scotland player went past them, and yes (wait for it) their Olympic standard diving - all adds up to the same thing: they have bent, twisted and thoroughly deformed the rules of the 'beautiful game' where referees accept their behaviour as 'normal'.

Well, it is not normal behaviour and is totally against the law and the spirit of the game and quite frankly the decisions against Australia and the baiting of ZZ in the World Cup Final were totally unacceptable anywhere.

When Italian clubs stop coaching their players how to dive when fairly tackled, when the Rossoneri officials and politicians behind them are debarred from their cynical political manipulation of the Italian Refereeing Association by serving custodial sentences, and when the body checking and jersey pulling (amongst many other offences) result in 7 Italian players being left on the pitch, then I might start believing that UEFA and FIFA have got their act together.

However, as far as tonight's game is concerned, there will be forever a resentment about the result around the world as I am sure that most neutrals would have been bamboozled with regard to the Hutton 'offence' that conceded the free kick that led to the 2nd Italy goal. Referees have a hard task but that was one of the easier decisions to call - and what was his assistant referee up to?

So good luck Italy in the finals but I trully hope you get stuffed by a team that plays the game with spirit and panache - and gets a break from the referee and UEFA.

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Anthony Cooper,

HOME 17/11/2007 20:56:48

That ref was a load of rubbish how was that a freekick to Italy it was hutton who was flattened. That was the worst decision i have ever seen in my life. The ref and linesmen were all sticking up for Italy it was so poor the game should be took to euefa

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milanese,

milan 17/11/2007 20:58:01

cheating sleezy pigs, london / 8:51pm 17 Nov 2007 ok zlaten and the rest of your band wagon, have you heard what the italian coach said, 'we were magnificant' the real sign of cowards and people with no grace is when u will win by any means and be pleased about it, i dont want to hear this off side PI55 what about the hand ball, and the fact you were run in circles dominated in the mid field, my one concelation is you will all rot in hell gladly following the pope to the gates, cowards, ide rather lose and be a man.


you've lost..and you're poor as a man too.

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TWSHRIMPER,

Tunbridge Wells 17/11/2007 20:58:11

Oii Shakespeare..(he was English). I am having a laugh. It is football - that what supporters do.

Name one "anti-scottish" sentiment??????

Keep up!!
Chill!! x x

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HEN BROON 5,

Glebe Street. 17/11/2007 20:59:14

My heart is sad, but I have to agree with every word on #79.
It was no disgrace to loose to this fine Italian team, we will learn and be better for it.
ALBA GU BRATH.

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DanielDaniel,

17/11/2007 21:02:09

There's no way of reasoning here.
Of those 5 million pints being poured in Glasgow today, many have been drunk by the Scotsman posters.

If the best you can do is complain about a referee who gave an advantage to Scotland along the entirety of the match, then you lot should get a life, not independence.

I still wonder if you're being serious.

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milanese,

milan 17/11/2007 21:04:42

milansleeze its easy to be perky when u rob your victorys like the world cup had to antagonise zidan till he folded that skinny p00f in half, and u tickle one of u ponses ur roling around on the floor singing the blues and hailing mary


ermm no..we did not rob anything... yes ok poor call by the referee but we had scored a valid goal as well. Show a bit of fair play or just drink less you little sore looser

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Footbal fan,

Dubai 17/11/2007 21:06:24

well, anothr campaign over .....but do you know what? I do not feel let doen like so many other efforts in the past.

Scotland rode their luck tonite - Di Natale goal looked good and Ferguson's equaliser looked dodgy. However, the performance in the2nd half - against the World Champs don't forget - was awesome. Italy looked awful. Tired, desperate, feigning injury, palying for time etc. The chances Scotland had....how close?? And that free kick for Italy....well, I ask you, how on earth was that a free kick for Italy - only the ref/linesman will know!

Still, what an effort ...what a performance...4.5 million people...13 players....be proud, stand tall...and bring on the next match.

We are a nation once again....

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BlueNose NZ,

Auckland 17/11/2007 21:08:08

Hate to say it but this is just another chapter in the long list of footballing hard luck stories in which we, Scotland are the undisputed world champions.

And we never seem to learn our lesson. All week we have built ourselves up, everyone on here believing we could do it but taking our 'eye off the ball' and realising that we were playing the World Champions in a win or bust game for both and the ref was a fellow latino;-)

Saying that, if we had taken our chances as clinically and composed as the Italians we would have won comfortably.

Just another 'close but no cigar' story for us Scots. Well done though, overall we have done fantastically well and put ourselves back on the football map.

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shakespeare,

edinburgh, scotland 17/11/2007 21:08:10

Hey Milanese
Sorry but you're wrong - the Scots are not sore losers . You are confusing us with another UK team It was a good game, and on the night you guys got a result - that's not being sore losers . But maybe more Italians have to learn to be good winners ? So chiels winna ding

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Kaytoc,

America 17/11/2007 21:09:48

Yes , the game was stolen.

But do you realize what happened today?
What REALLY happened?
Something far more important than a football game.

Scots and those of us fiercely proud of our Scottish heritage were globally connected. On a grand scale.
Canada, America, New Zealand, Australia, China, Czech Republic, Germany, France, Iceland, Denmark, Norway, Finland. just to name a few.

F**k the referee.
Scotland ROCKS
Glasgow ROCKS
WE ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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DanielDaniel,

17/11/2007 21:11:42

#108 spot on.
So there's still normal life in Scotland then.

In fact, I hoped for a tie: better to have you at Euro2008 than the Frogs, so alas!

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milanese,

milan 17/11/2007 21:12:18

cheating sleezy pigs, london / 9:07pm 17 Nov 2007 milansleeze do ur self a favor and stop talking jackass, aint it a coincidence how italy always scrape through somehow and not on performance but on sneaky tactics cant all be from praying to the pope can it? scoop some grease off your head its inhibiting ur ability to think

i'm bald and you're completely sad... just have one more drink and then off to bed as you are a disgrace

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Silence of the Yams,

17/11/2007 21:12:50

We will be back and stronger. Lot's of young lads still to peak like Brown Fletcher Hutton and McFadden, plus more in the pipe. We were unlucky in the end, and didn't deserve to lose. I'm still shell shocked.

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milanese,

milan 17/11/2007 21:15:29

shakespear i said the some people on here are sore losers and i even said that people at hampden was great... probably u did not read it wel. actually i've always been treated in a great way when i came to glasgow to watch ac playing celtic

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TWSHRIMPER,

Tunbridge Wells 17/11/2007 21:17:06

Comment 104.
Scotland will stay at home.
England will qualify.

Not sure how that makes Scotland good and England bad.

I suppose that makes Gretna world beaters x

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Xacobeo Hearts,

Galicia, depressed AND hungover. 17/11/2007 21:18:24

Ach difficult one to take again!

Cruel, cruel, cruel.

I certainly thought that we deserved a draw.

I thought we played really well, it was just that our luck finally ran out - but we have had our fair share after all.

Ok the decision to give Italy the foul was a terrible one BUT all it did was even out the one that went in our favour in the first half. The goal that was ruled out was perfectly legal as far as I could see.

Think it would have been a much more fitting climax for all three nations if it had gone down to the final game.

Good game, didn't think either side really deserved to lose, bitterly disappointed to be out but no sour grapes towards Italy from me.

Won't change my mind about having pasta for tea tonight anyways.

Viva Escocia!!!

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Trunce,

Yorkshire 17/11/2007 21:21:39

#103 You are not a 'Nation Again' - you are already a great nation. #104.105. also. #109 - you don't need to claim a global alliance. You now have the opportunity with Alex Salmond to claim your identity.

Please do - and get off the back of the english Taxpayer!

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MtnKat,

proud2 17/11/2007 21:25:00

109 Kaytoc
I noticed on other threads the fervour of our cousins trying to find a way to watch the game. A bit of an ephiphany for me. I don't think we appreciate you enough.

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DanielDaniel,

17/11/2007 21:25:22

For the cheating sleezy pig from London:
the pope is not in Italy, you f**kwit. He's in a state of his own. the Vatican.
Unlike the Scots, who share the same state as the English and their queen.

Get your facts straight - and a life, if you still can.

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Johnny Englander,

17/11/2007 21:26:24

Bwaha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Jamesybhoy, Grimsby hibee, Slaine, Exiled in Sydney, Bemused Exile blah blah blah.

YOUR BOYS TOOK ONE HELL OF A BEATING.

You must have been sick when PAnucci scored that wonderful goal, but even sicker when the Israelis scored their winner. Israel 2 -1 Russia

England need a draw against the already qualified Croatians at Wembley, to make it through. It's all in our own hands. Mmmm Where have I heard that before???????

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

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Ballywhorisky,

17/11/2007 21:31:33

Congratulations to Italy.

Well played Scotland - for a wee nation you did us proud today.

The Hampden crowd were great too - wee done.

The officials let us down today.

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Brian in Canada,

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#45 apparently in your rules diving, jersey pulling, and moaning at the referee are perfectly acceptable.
The Scottish players accepted that terrible free kick call with class - no whining and moaning. If he had made that call against Italy he probably would have been murdered.
I'd rather have a whisky than a wine.
Why don't you and #80 go away and f**k each other.

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Honest italian,

Genova 17/11/2007 21:33:22

Damn, my english! I'm italian, let's make it simple:

foul to Italy after Hutton action: no!
di Natale 0-2 goal: regular!
scotland's 1-1: not regular!

This is clear for everyone.
Scotland has made a very good campaign. I'm sorry about Scotland, because it is
a great team, it won against france home and in Paris. Italy did not reach.
Respect for one of the potential winner of euro 2008.

Give up please with "footballing hard luck stories" and "mafia" discussion. Everyone saw the match.
At 91 Italy did not need to win, it was already qualified. No need to pay for another goal. I hoped in a 1-1, and in france defeat in Ukraine.
It has not happened. I'm sorry, but i don't believe
in conspiracy, not for this match.

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JamesyBHOY,

17/11/2007 21:34:32

My heart is sad, but I have to agree with every word on #79.
It was no disgrace to loose to this fine Italian team, we will learn and be better for it.
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Problem is we won't learn! We never have in the past & we never will in the future!

We had to win in Georgia. Screwed up the formation & tactics. Got beat by 2 16yr old rookies who have never played 1st team football before. A 17yr old rookie & a captain without a club.

This left us needing a win against Italy. We start off leaving our 2 most prolific strikers on the bench. Set ourselves up & go behind in the 1st minute. Should have been 2 before half-time. Pundits in the studio talk of changing the formation, commentators also talk of it. 70mins on the clock & nothing! Waits till they score a second at the very last then brings on Boyd with 30secs of injury time left.

We went out with a whimper. It's as simple as that. That's why I won't buy the papers tomorrow, where McLeish will say he's so proud of his team & all the fans should be as well. It's an exciting new era for Scottish football & all that other p1sh!

We choked in the last 2 games & we're now paying the price. I actually feel robbed, not really by the ref or the Italian antics. But by Freck & his tactics or lack of them.

After 55/60mins. We should honestly have been 2-0 down. Boyd & Miller should have come on. Moved McFadden back to left midfield. Taking off Hartley & McCulloch. In the last 10mins, he should have then taken off Brown & thrown in Maloney on the right.

If we went down by a couple of goals then I'd have been proud because we went out fighting. Right now I'm exactly the same as I was after we went out the Rugby WC. I think McLeish & Hadden could be long lost brothers because their tactics & strategies are exactly the same. He had the luck initially from the off, but

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Yogie2007,

Aberdeen 17/11/2007 21:35:02

Well I must say that I am just really tired of watching Italian football and any games in which they are involved. They are bandits and should play their type of "football" at home in Italy, surely the rest of the world agrees and everyone knows what is going on. That was never a foul, but we all have seen enough similar situations before when Italy is playing "football". But what can you do.
Well at least everyone in Europe tonight was a Scot and even though I am German I must say, I was proud to cheer with Scotland.
Keep it up, since one day the Fifa will realise that Italy does not play propper football like the rest of the world.

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Crawford, Bauld, Wardhaugh and Urquart.,

USA 17/11/2007 21:36:47

Sadly, at the end of the day, it's goals that count and we have had a dearth of real goalscorers doing it regularly at International level for years now.
I will probably get hell for living in the past, but we simply don't produce that calibre of player , and until we do, we will struggle.
McFadden scored a couple of great goals along the way, but we need the prolific goalscorers from club level to do the same in the Internationals.
If we can do that, dodgy refereeing becomes irrelevant.

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Ballywhorisky,

17/11/2007 21:37:21

Honest Italian, 138

An honest Italian?

Really?

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THE BPRENTICE,

17/11/2007 21:38:47

I think #18 & #22 were spot on for different reasons - wll written guys.

I reckon that Scotland didn't deserve to go through after their perfromance against Georgia - that was our wake-up call. For us to do so badly against a side with such an inexperience keeper and that were playing 17 year olds and to get beaten 2-0 in such an important match speaks volumes.

On a positive note, I can see Scotland moving forward, you can see an improvement since Walter Smith took over and more Scots are playing in the SPL (not as many being bought up by the Premiership however). With players like Hutton, Gordon and Brown and young guys like McGeady, Fletcher (hibs), Berra, Alan McGregor coming through I think we can keep up the good work.

I think that we need someone better than Alex McLeish though, I just knew that he would bring on Kenny Miller ... nooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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JamesyBHOY,

17/11/2007 21:40:14

McLeish now has to stand up & be a man. Get rid of the deadwood in our squad. Weir, Alexander & Dailly are all too old. Give youngsters their chance & the experience for the future. Find a new left-back for the useless Naysmith! Give Fletcher a kick in the gonads for getting caught in possession so much & for throwing away too many loose passes. Exact same with Hartley etc, etc. Finally start giving our attacking players their chance. We have 3 who can score against anyone if given the proper chances. Yet 2 are nearly always on the bench. We go 4-1-4-1 or 4-5-1, but apart from France away. We've not beaten any big sides away using this in the last few years! Get in a few friendlies before the qualifiers for the WC next year. Start getting them used to more attacking formation such as 4-4-2 that should be our primary from now on. Allow us to actually get strikers familiar with each other by playing a few times together & form a partnership.

Birmingham may be looking for a new boss next week, so it may end up being up to someone else to do this because if they offer him it, I think he'll go! Which in all honesty may not be a bad thing in the long run! If he does, the John Collins should be appointed the new manager as he's the only Scot I feel that could probably take us forward & use our attacking players to their fullest extent. If not him, then I'd go foreign once again.

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shakespeare,

edinburgh, scotland 17/11/2007 21:40:29

Hey
Looks like this post is being derailed by the ha ha ha Johnny Englander and the even more abusive/ drunk Viva L'Italia
So be it , fascist personalities will always try to prevail!!!
But for all you Scots out there , at home and abroad, goodnight !. It was a night to be proud of the Scots team and the Tartan Army in Hampden . Slainte !

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Ballywhorisky,

17/11/2007 21:40:30

Just a wee domestic observation to various Rangers supporters sharing my misery at Scotland's defeat, and bemused by the referee\linesman decisions:

today's Officials were 10 times better than Mike McCurry's performance at Hades a few weeks ago.

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Surrey Sassenach,

Surrey 17/11/2007 21:40:49

It really is too bad that British teams - am I still allowed to use the 'B' word word in a Scottish newspaper in front of a Salmond-mad Scots? - never get the rub of the green in these crucial games...First, good old England in Euro 2004 (Sol Campbell's perfectly good goal disallowed), now Scotland tonight.

Still, at least we both, England/Scotland, trail-blazed the first ever International...

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THE BPRENTICE,

17/11/2007 21:43:12

Despite the arrogant element in particular of the media (Sky sports finishes their english chat and then 'after the break, first division matches played today'....approx. one in ten people in the UK are Scots and sky couldn't even give us some air space), I'm happy for England to go through in the competition I might take stick for that but I don't give a toss - banter is great BUT I think its a wee person syndrome to genuinely want England to fail.

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milanese,

milan 17/11/2007 21:46:22

via l'italia stop to embarrass us please

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WL,

livingston 17/11/2007 21:49:33

Why did BBC Scotland or STV not allow us to watch this game???????????????????

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Honest italian,

17/11/2007 21:51:05

Damn, my english! I'm italian, let's make it simple:

foul to Italy after Hutton action: no!
di Natale 0-2 goal: regular!
scotland's 1-1: not regular!

This is clear for everyone.
Scotland has made a very good campaign. I'm sorry about Scotland, because it is
a great team, it won against france home and in Paris. Italy did not reach.
Respect for one of the potential winner of euro 2008.

Give up please with "footballing hard luck stories" and "mafia" discussion. Everyone saw the match.
At 91 Italy did not need to win, it was already qualified. No need to pay for another goal. I hoped in a 1-1, and in france defeat in Ukraine.
It has not happened. I'm sorry, but i don't believe
in conspiracy, not for this match.

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Ballywhorisky,

17/11/2007 21:53:18

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money.

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JamesyBHOY,

17/11/2007 21:58:29

Sadly, at the end of the day, it's goals that count and we have had a dearth of real goalscorers doing it regularly at International level for years now.
I will probably get hell for living in the past, but we simply don't produce that calibre of player , and until we do, we will struggle.
McFadden scored a couple of great goals along the way, but we need the prolific goalscorers from club level to do the same in the Internationals.
If we can do that, dodgy refereeing becomes irrelevant.
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The problem is we do have players who can score.

Miller will nearly always score for Scotland if given the service.

McFadden is one of the most skilful players in Europe when he's on song!

Boyd is one of the best in the game at sniffing out chances & putting them in the net!

The reason we don't have prolific scores is because we nearly always player with 1 striker & the rest on the bench. Your obviously gonna score less by playing only 1 striker rfegualrly. Boyd can't play lone striker. McFadden honestly isn't an out 7 out striker either. Only Miller can play that role & he was on the bench tonight for over 70mins.

Yet start combining them & the goals will come.

It's imply our defeatist attitude that constantly holds us back. Oh this team is far better, so we must always play with 10 men behind the ball or we're gonna get gubbed. Do the Faroes, Georgia, Lithuania do that against us. Do they heck. They believe in their players.

Ukraine came against us with 3 in attack. France done the same. So did Italy etc. All the good teams beleive they can attack, we actually have the players who can do it ourselves, but it's our continued defeatists nature that holds us back. We're not good enough, so lets defend & counter. How many times does it actually work when it counts. Yet we always do it regardless!

We simply don't have the

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KM1,

California 17/11/2007 21:59:54

According to UEFA rules for this competition, Article 22 states that a match can be protested based on "a decisive breach of regulations by the referee". Surely this was such a case? Don't the regulations state that if a player commits a foul, then the OTHER TEAM gets a free kick?

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it is me,

17/11/2007 22:00:11

For a start the Scots goal was offside, we deserved to get humped. It will save a hell of a lot of embarrassment later on, if we had got to the finals and got the usual sound thrashing from seemingly inferior countries like Israel!

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James3,

USA 17/11/2007 22:01:23

Bottom line is, you CANNOT give up a goal in the first 2 minutes against the world champs and expect to win- it breaks your heart, but the game was there to be won, and the mistakes made were what lost it, not the referee. Let's qualify for the World Cup, and WIN THAT INSTEAD!!

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apple tree,

genoa-italy 17/11/2007 22:02:18

you're ok when it comes to dead balls,you're very good at hampden average abroad,let's face it you've given your all,and you would have deserved a place at euro 2008 but france and italy has far more chances to win the tournament.there are some young good players coming out for scotland,the future is bright the future is........

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ULTRAS ANCONA,

ANCONA ITALY 17/11/2007 22:02:29

THIS IS A REPLY TO shakespeare 51:
you said you watched the game with neutral friends: a chechen and a southafrican, this is ridicolous, how can a chechen or a southafrican understand football or "offside strategies" in italy we breath football everyday since we wake up in the morning to the night. Your friends are too neutral, understanding offside and offside strategies is very difficult if you live in chechenia or in south africa because in those countries football is very poor. I have nothing against those countries but it's just they cannot understand neither seeing certain things and paradoxally if you read these posts all the serious scottish recognized the fact that a valid Italian goal was disallawed and an invalid one was allowed for Scotland. So please make a favor to yourself shut up and come here to learn football.

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bom56,

quiberon 17/11/2007 22:02:59

allez la france, merci l'italie et bye bye scotland

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ULTRAS ANCONA,

ANCONA ITALY 17/11/2007 22:04:10

This is a reply for WASPI100 post #90

Certainly we sell icecream but we also love to eat them as all the world do and unfortunately for you the best icecreams are here in italy and we eat them in the World Cup. HAAHAHAHAHAHA

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bom56,

quiberon, france 17/11/2007 22:07:04

allez la france, merci l'italie et bye bye scotland

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JAPRASS,

17/11/2007 22:07:45

Guys, actually, scottish guys, be honest!
I totally agree with you when you say that the kick from which the second italian goal originated came from an absurd decision by the referee. That should have been a free kick in favour of Scotland. No doubt about that.

But (and be honest and if you do not want to believe that, just re-watch the images on tv again ad again) the goal of Di Natale was a regular one while the scottish equalizer was clearly off-side. Now, you still want to continue with your pathetic comments about a bribed referee? Italy produced a much better quality of football and in the end they deserved to go through. Come on!

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ULTRAS ANCONA,

ANCONA ITALY 17/11/2007 22:08:27

THIS IS A REPLY TO YOGI 2007 POST #142

DEAR BEAR YOGI, UNFORTUNATELY FOR YOU YOU ARE GERMAN, AND A GERMAN IS ALWAYS A GERMAN AND THIS IS YOUR DAMNATION.
AND IF YOU RE TIRED OF WATCHING ITALIAN PLAYING I AM SORRY FOR YOU BUT THIS IS WHAT YOU RE GOING TO WATCH FOREVER.
BECAUSE ITALY IS THE FOOTBALL.
COME TO ITALY TO SEE HOW THE WORLD CUP IS MADE OF.

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Sgorbio,

Sheffield 17/11/2007 22:10:38

Come on, don't spoil everything ... on italian TV the commentators before and after the game were saying of how sportsmanship is alive in Scotland. How beautiful your stadia are, how good it is to see football for families and how friendly Scottish fans are. The game has NOT been decided by the referee, perhaps by the linesman.
The second goal from Italy was NOT offside. The goal from Scotland was. Please please look at it in slow-motion. That makes a 2-0 for Italy. Even if the last free-kick was not to be given (Chiellini was obviously not fouled) - and Italy didn't score at the 92nd - it still should have been 2-0 for Italy.
This was a good Italian team, and Italy IS the four-time World Cup winner - you cannot complain.
Best
Sgorbio

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ULTRAS ANCONA,

ANCONA ITALY 17/11/2007 22:12:00

I INVITE THE PARTICPANTS OF THIS FORUM FILTER THEMSELVES BEFORE WRITING. I HAVE READ A LOT OF CLEVER POSTS FROM ENGLAND AND SCOTLAND, VERY FEW FROM OTHER COUNTRIES.
I AM VERY SORRY FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT UNDERSTAND RULES, SCHEMES AND STRATEGIES BECAUSE WHAT YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND IS VERY OFTEN A SOURCE FOR ANGER. FOOTBALL IS MUCH MORE COMPLEX THAN WHAT YOU CAN IMAGINE, AND ITALIAN FOOTBALL IS THE MOST COMPLEX FOOTBALL SCHEME IN THE WORLD. I INVITE PEOPLE WHO DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND THE TOPIC TO AVOID COMMENT OVER AN ISSUE THAT THEY CANNOT UNDERSTAND.

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DanielDaniel,

17/11/2007 22:16:07

#137

You don't know any better and it's probably not your fault, so I don't see why I should keep on arguing with you.
Just one last try, because I'm naive enough.

Fact ONE: the pope has got NO jurisdiction nor any right on Italian soil. He might be geographically in Central Italy but he is NOT in Italy and has no political power at all in Italy.

Fact TWO: according to my book, Westminster still has jurisdiction and most of the rights on Scottish soil.

Fact THREE: (consequence of Fact ONE and Fact TWO): if you're trying to take the p*** out of us telling us to go and kiss the Pope's buttocks, I'm afraid I'll have to tell you that we aren't kissing any foreign ruler's bottom - unlike you (if you're Scot, at least).

I couldn't explain it in a simpler way, so if this won't work, I'll give in and leave you to your miserable thoughts.

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ULTRAS ANCONA,

ANCONA ITALY 17/11/2007 22:19:17

I INVITE EVERYBODY TO GO BACK WATCHING IN SLOW MOTION THE SCOTTISH GOAL AND THE ONE OF DE NATALE THAT WAS INVALIDATED.

A VALID ITALIAN GOAL WAS DISALLAWED AND AN INVALID ONE WAS ALLOWED FOR SCOTLAND.

BUT AS WE ALL ARE LORDS WE GO FORWARD REFEREE'S DECISIONS AND WE WIN ANYWAY.

IN ANY CASE I RECOGNIZE SCOTLAND PLAYED WELL EVEN IF IN MY OPINION MADE 2 BIG ERRORS:

1) DID NOT REALIZE IN THEIR CHAMPIONSHIP THEY PLAY MUCH HARDER AND REFEREES WHISTLE LESS THAN WHAT HAPPENS IN AN INTERNATIONAL CONTEXT

2) DO NOT HOW TO COPE WITH A TEAM THAT MAKES THE OFFSIDE STRATEGY AS A DEFENSE STRATEGY.

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SnowInGlasgow,

Switzerland 17/11/2007 22:23:19

Let us just accept that it was a great campaign for Scotland. Honestly, after the draw, who would have thought that we are still in with a chance to qualify on the last day against the world champions, runner-ups and a quarte finalist of 2006!
I am crying, but still proud of what our boys have acchieved - they have done us proud!
Problem really is, that we are not yet one of those teams having the consistency to go all the way - we are losing crucial games (Georgia) - and that's where we stumbled and fell - not necessarily against Italy!

The refs decisions? I am not one for conspiracy theories, but one really starts to wonder.
The real difference between the decisions against Italy (one goal disallowed and Scotlands (offside) goal allowed, is that the first two mistakes of the ref could actually be honest mistakes, they were hard to judge from where the ref was (and the linesmen were not much help), the freekick for Italy which led to the 1:2 however.....where in the name of f@!# can you go wrong there - how on earth can you judge that a free kick for Italy? This will remain a mistery - even to the ref when he reviews that decision!
Personally I honestly think that our real bad luck was in the group draw - possibly in any other group we would have qualified with performances like these.

So please, just join me in thanking our boys for all the pleasures they have given us (against France x2) and that they have kept the dream alive for so long!

Oh, and please, on a night like this, there is no place for bigotry (for chrissake, this is Scotland! and not your playground for old-fashioned, outdated, plain stupid sectarian ideas!)
.....did I mention that being Italian I would be very, very quiet - coming from the country of the World Champion where fans get murdered, football is corrupt, refs are bought and the Ultras are the worst racists in Europe - being allowed to display their racist banners in stadiums without consequenc

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Berty Hamish,

Vienna 17/11/2007 22:23:51

I know it's a good few posts late, but just got back from the pub and have to say, #24, go do one! Everyone's scunnered with the result, but to start the assault on rangers is a joke. I'm neither a rangers nor a celtic fan, but this sh*te just winds me up. Away back to your fields of athenry. It's c*nts like you that give second class citizens a bad reputation.

Second point - Tom English... you 'n all, do one! You've got a cheek to demand a wage for this crap! Italy scored in the 90th from a corner, did they? Well, thank fcuk for that! I imagined that Hutton got fouled but somehow conceded a freekick from which italy scored. All of a sudden i don't feel so hard done by.
But what do we expect... with a name like that he probably had one eye on the israel russia match.

Last but not least, hard to take the loss. Israel win makes it even worse. Being in Vienna with all the england fans around is pushing me over the edge!

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ULTRAS ANCONA,

ANCONA ITALY 17/11/2007 22:25:58

IN REPLY TO cheating sleezy pigs, POST#137

WATCH OUT SWEETY PIE BECAUSE THE VATICAN JUST PRESENTED LAST WEEK THEIR OWN FOOTBALL TEAM AND CERTAINLY THEY WILL COME TO ENGLAND TO KICK YOUR ASS.
WE DON'T DO THAT BECAUSE WE RE TOO STRONG FOR YOU, WE ACTUALLY TALKING TO THE NASA TO SEE IF IN MARS THERE ARE TEAMS WHO CAN PLAY AT OUR LEVEL.

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DanielDaniel,

17/11/2007 22:29:42

#186:

Jesus.....
You're worst off than I though.
Best of luck, poor lad.

So long.

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supercalifra,

17/11/2007 22:30:50

i don't understand what you have to compain, the Di Natale's goal was regular and the scottish goal was in offside,so shut up loosers,the score if the referee doesn't make mistake was 0-3 and not 1-2,so if the referee help someone he help the scottish

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hector#1,

leith 17/11/2007 22:32:28

dont think i articulated enough to patrick#24 my utter contempt and hatred for you, your dishevelled, stinking, unwashed mob and your snivelling brand of injustice. You are a disease...a pestilence of biblical proportions, a cancer.

appreciated every player on the field tonight. c'mon scotland!

proud man in leith.

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my chosen name is not available...,

17/11/2007 22:36:21

What a bunch of tools on here. And they wonder why we don't support England! #121 Scotland are not a drain on the English taxpayer any more than the north of england is. Idiot.

Great campaign - good performance. The ref made a bad decision but if faddy hadn't missed the sitter we wouldn't have been in that situation.

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Shug,

17/11/2007 22:36:26

What a great game. Really f@@@ing enjoyed it even though the result wasn't what I wanted. The boys gave their all. No one cheated. The Italians had very few chances but took them when they came along. Quality counts.

We have got a lot to look forward to. Roll on World Cup qualifiers. They are in the bag.

Bottom line was that a draw would have been a fair result and if Hutton (who was magnificent), had hoofed the ball into the stand instead of trying to take the ball past the Italian on his own byeline then they wouldn't have got the corner. No excuses. Beat fair and square. So stop all the f@@@ing whingeing.

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hector#1,

leith 17/11/2007 22:36:42

berty hamish #185

good man, see comments 177 and 192. Was a bit angry, but who cares.

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THE BPRENTICE,

17/11/2007 22:37:45

178. Sgorbio, Sheffield - good post, all the best in the group stages my friend.

179. ULTRAS ANCONA - I'm a bit surprised that we're allowed to be on YOUR forum! Just because the Italians have developed sophisticated ways (the dark arts of defending some call it) of playing their football doesn't mean we don't understand it.

Having said that, I don't think we had enough about us (overall) to beat Italy this evening BUT it was a backs-to-the-wall performance from Roberto Donadoni's side for much of the second half.

Despite our best efforts, we fully tested Buffon.

Our best chance arrived at the feet of the McFadden, if he scored with that; I don't think you'd be so pompous!

I'm proud to be Scottish - win, lose or draw!

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Dundee Pie,

Vancouver 17/11/2007 22:39:31

A lot of theories, dissapointment and even racism here.
The facts:
-Italy are a tremendously talented team.
-Italy rely on a scandalous amount of diving.
-Scotland have a restored pride and competence in football.
-The refereeing was ludicrous. Really. No, Really.
-It was an excellent football game.
The Plan:
-Throw our support behind Germany.
-Take diving lessons from the French
-Get ready to take on Italy in the quarter finals at WC2010, South Africa.

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apple tree,

genoa-italy 17/11/2007 22:39:40

FOR VIVA L'ITALIA,yes there are some good young scottish players around to keep trying to reach a major tournament.I don't think scotland will ever win a world cup or a european cup,but for them to reach the world cup is like italy or france winning it!! it's important to be there regardless of the outcome.look at what england has done apart from world cup 1966

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erchie,

FAIR UP THE HOWE 17/11/2007 22:40:35

will someone pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze explain how that wis a free kick to them in the final minute. we have been totally shafted. However iv never felt so proud to be scottish as i do now......................we lost but we didne get beat.

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DanielDaniel,

17/11/2007 22:45:58

Soma facts:

1) last free kick was non-existant and the winner came undeserved.
2) Italy's SECOND goal was ok but it was unjustlly disallowed.
3) Scotland's only goal was in offside, so it should have been disallowed.

So, even if I can fully understand the Scots' anger at how the 1-2 came, I demand that they are honest enough to look at the whole picture, so that they'll see that the result ISN'T - all in all - undeserved.
And even a tie (but how can you tie if you don't score ONE regular goal? But anyway....) wouldn't have been enough.

So, is it possible to end this weeping and complaining for nothing? I'm sure you Scots know much better than this.

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ULTRAS ANCONA,

ANCONA ITALY 17/11/2007 22:51:25

DEAR BPRENTICE, IF YOU READ WELL MY POST I WAS NOT TALKING TO YOU AND I DID NOT REFER TO SCOTTISH SUPPORTERS OR PLAYERS.

I WAS TALKING TO CERTAIN PEOPLE HERE WHO TALK AND DO NOT UNDERSTAND ANYTHING ABOUT FOOTBALL, LIKE THAT GERMAN GUY, THE CANADIAN, THE CHECHEN ALL THESE PEOPLE WHO STARTED TO WATCH FOOTBAL THE OTHER DAY AND WANT TO JUDGE OUR TEAM WHO MADE THE HISTORY OF FOOTBALL. UNACCETABLE.
THESE PEOPLE HAS TO UNDERSTAND THAT
THEY HAVE TO STUDY FOOTBALL RULES, HISTORY, SCHEMES AND STRATEGIES BEFORE SPEAKING OUTTA HERE.

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Trunce,

Yorkshire 17/11/2007 22:52:49

#193 - Just trying to encourage you to claim your own destiny.

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Rancho Relaxo,

Melbourne 17/11/2007 22:55:53

A shocking decision by the ref but it wasn't the only one he made. Italy's second "goal" should have stood in the first half and then I doubt that we would have rallied in the way we did. It's a tough one to take but it was a magnificent effort nontheless. Had we taken our chances - Hutton and McFadden's in particular, then perhaps the dodgy decision wouldn't have hurt us in the way it did. It was a sore one to take but there is no point blaming Italy. The ref on the other hand........

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Dundee Pie,

Vancouver 17/11/2007 22:58:37

Yeesh. OK we lost. Italy won. Good luck my friends in Euro 2008. Please be carefull on your way out to the airport as there is a strong wind blowing out of the North and I wouldn't want your players to fall down and roll all over the ground, injuring yourselves.

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Berty Hamish,

Vienna 17/11/2007 22:59:04

@#195 Hector

don't get me wrong, i'm not normally so outspoken, but i'm emotionally tender, and jokers like #24 are harder to take when they're attacking the national team instead of the other half of the OF. Hard to know if he's upset about the result against italy or the result against wales.

Can't deal with the fact people like him can't forget the differences when it comes to scotland. Hey, opinions are like ar****les, eveyone's got one, but the way i see it, scotland's never had a better squad. Gordon, McManus, Ferguson, Brown, Faddy, it's the backbone that we we've yearned for. We can build on this. World cup qualifiers can't come around quickly enough.
And as for Hutton...back in the day (not so long ago), i used to play football with this guy. He was a couple of years below me in school, and i thought the guy was a w@nk. But credit where credit's due, he's the most improved player in scottish football in the last year or so and i was screaming for the midfield to get the ball wide to him as often as possible.

Alan Hutton, i salute you. Not as a rangers fan, not as a scottish fan, but as a scotland fan.

And James McFadden, all is forgiven. Without your inspirational performances we'd never have got this far. Cruel that the one guy who had a chance to wrap it up for us but couldn't do it was the man who has so often been the hero.
Hopefully his character will show through and he'll put this behind him and continue his development to one of out 'greats'.

"we have a dream, if dreams come true..."

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Big Stevie,

Sydneyside 17/11/2007 22:59:33

I strongly suspect that the story of this group may not be finished yet. The shocking scenes of violence up and down Italy last week were endemic of a country which is clearly unable to ensure the safety of fans attending games.

Quite simply the Italian football authorities and the Police cannot control the fans.

We may yet see some action from UEFA over this with a ban from the Euro finals a distinct possibility.

We may get in the back door. ooh -err matron.

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Berty Hamish,

Vienna 17/11/2007 22:59:52

did of course mean "not as a rangers fan, not as a celtic fan, as a scotland fan"

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ANCONA ITALY 17/11/2007 23:01:14

The ref and their staff should be declassified from the FIFA, they were unable to handle the match, trying to recover their role in the second half. This is unacceptable. Fifa should take some action towards these situation THE REAL PROBLEM IS THAT THE SLOW MOTION SHOULD BE APPLIED IN THE GAME. WE HAVE TO TAKE ACTION BECAUSE TONIGHT'S MATCH DEMONSTRATES WE NEED TO MAKE THE SLOW MOTION BE PART OF THE GAME A B S O L U T E L Y.

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Rancho Relaxo,

Melbourne 17/11/2007 23:07:32

Ultras Ancona - You are correct. The referee was awful for both sides. He always is awful and ruins plenty of matches but somehow UEFA seem to give him lots of big games. Enjoy your team's victory and please be assured that we are not all bad losers who follow Scotland. We are just a bite sore today but we'll get over it. We've had plenty of practice in the past

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hector#1,

leith 17/11/2007 23:09:10

~207
you summed it up perfectly big man. well said

Many thanks and best wishes to every player in the scotland team for a campaign that was completley inspirational. As for mugs like #24, he is a total rimmer, plastic paddy, whatever he is, remember this..

we are proud of our players regardless of the team we support. You and you're lot can never be part of that...cos you always have a unjustified sense of injustice...because of this, nobody will ever like you. this doesn't go for all celtic fans, as i know many. just cretins like you, why don't you go back to ireland, you smelly b*****d.

we're still ranked #13 in the world last time i saw it, well done lads.

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marco from nottinghamshire,

nottingham, Italy 17/11/2007 23:15:31

I sign completely Emenuele's words.

"Can't believe there are people here complaining for the referee. A valid Italian goal disallowed and an invalid allowed for Scotland and you are here talking of a free kick...! And still the same crap about the Italian cheaters...."

I really can't bear this!
We should have been 2-0 according to the RULES!

Don't become as arrogant as the English!
I don't recognize you anymore.
I don't know what commentators have told you tonight, but OUR goal was REGULAR, and yours WAS NOT!
An innocent child would agree.
Are your eyes still innocent?

about #208, big stevie... AHAHAH
It sounds horrible, but no words can be said to you.
Oh yes, there's one. BEGGAR.

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Dundee Pie,

Vancouver 17/11/2007 23:16:39

We cannot have slow motion camera replays. The game would slow down to American style football speeds. The refs rules are a part of the game.

I think other than the obvious need to better review refereeing competency, the real problem lies in the differences between football in the North of Europe versus the South. I suspect in the South, the ref blows the whistle on everything. As a result, diving is skill encouraged and developed. In the North, the refs are more likely to let the game play on. The result is a more physical game up North. When teams from North and South meet up, they don't know hwo to deal with each other.

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Dundee Pie,

Vancouver 17/11/2007 23:24:15

Breaking News: Zambrotta out for eight weeks. Injured by shopping cart pushed by old lady an Tesco's.

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise 17/11/2007 23:24:25

Ok we lost and its over. I guess it was just not meant to be.

But we have restored pride and have one helluva lot to look forward to.

I have no complaints about the ref or linesmen. The breaks evened themselves out.

We never deserved to lose. We deserved a draw. But its over and lets look forward to the world cup 2010, I am sure we'll qualify.

Top marks for Alan Hutton the guy was awesome.
Long term though I feel we need to start looking for replacements for Weir, Naismith, Hartley, Ferguson and McCulloch. They are all off the pace for top international football.

Well done Scotland and Eck for keeping the interest alive right up until the last minutes of the campaign.

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Pierre75,

Paris, France 17/11/2007 23:25:05

Scotland was brave.
But shame on who would put the blame on the ref'.
SwitzAustria will surely miss the Tartan Army.
However we Froggies have some unfinished business with Italy.
Get ready Azurris...

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Berty Hamish,

Vienna 17/11/2007 23:29:15

Ok, been positive towards the lads, time for a gripe...

Is it just me, or is the SFA a slut, able to be bought by the highest bidder?!

1) The dismal 3rd kit being launched against the Georgians. No need for it. Just a blatant attempt to earn a bit of money.
2) The advertising hoardings at Hampden today. I'm sorry, i don't give a flying f how much money they pay, but there is no place mortadella ham adverts in Hampden during a scotland italy game. If I had my way the game would be sponsored by Tennents, Irn bru, Mortons rolls, Raj's 24 hour store, whatever, as long as it's Scottish.

It's not the reason we lost, but it doesn't send out the right message either.

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Dundee Pie,

Vancouver 17/11/2007 23:29:25

Ok hold on Pierre75,
I don't blame the ref for the loss.
I do think the ref and linesman were of such poor quality that they should not be currently refereeing games at this level.

Go Germany.

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Patrick O'Shaunnessy,

17/11/2007 23:29:51

Watched the "free kick" Italy got for their second goal and I find it utterly impossible to comprehend what might explain the referee's decision.

There is no angle which this could be viewed from which could possibly explain this decision. The Italian bloke pushed his body right into Hutton , flooring him in the process.

This is not a situation where there can be any excuses for the referee....his decision that Hutton had fouled the Italian was simply perverse.

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Big Stevie,

Sydneyside 17/11/2007 23:31:06

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Marco

Your football system is in disarray. The fans are dictating when games are played and when they are not. the players are negotiating with fans in order to allow them to start a match.

Violence at matches is rooutine and commonplace and visiting fans are clearly not safe.

Your football system has already been found guilty of corruption at the highest level and lurches from one crisis to another.

It stinks from top to bottom and when UEFA finally grow a set of stones to deal with it head on then you will find yourselves on the outside looking in in much the same way the English did post-Heysel.

In footballing terms Italy go to the finals on merit but on moral gounds they should certainly be made to stay at home.

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AFCBERTY,

Glasgow 17/11/2007 23:31:18

ULTRAS ANCONA,

Watch your comments please mate or we may decide not to bail your sorry gutless little country out in the event of another war :-)

We were robbed of the opportunity to see France bottle it against Ukraine on Wednesday by the confusing decision of a Spannish linesman.

All said, we were narrowly beaten by the world champions and gave them one hell of a game.

BRING ON DECEMBERS WORLD CUP QUALIFYING DRAW!!!!

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taggart's reason,

earth 17/11/2007 23:33:51

1. who cares about En ger land. That's the problem with Scotland- too big of a chip on their shoulder about their southwardly neighbours. Then they go and support the likes of the Argies (because of this twisted bitterness) who play in the same crooked vein as Italy- serves you right in a way.

2. same Scotland supporters upset by Italy's antics
supported them in the last World Cup mostly
because of some perverse Papal fixation from the green camp as well as the HVn fear factor in the form of Monsieur Le Guen- and this is coming from me- a Celtic supporter. France were robbed- just like Scotland. Long live Zidane!

3. because of above reasons, when are people gonna wake up, and take an active stance against the glaring dark cloud of injustice that spoils the world's once beautiful game. when are people gonna see how rotten to the core it really is, and demand a more rugby approach to arbitration.

4. Scotland deserved to win, and not just because of a blatantly dodgy decision on a bent refs part- because their day to BE A NATION AGAIN had finally come. You battled, you toiled, you believed
in yourself! It was breathtaking. No nation has what Scotland has, and not by 5000 miles!

End of rant.

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Kung-Half-Fu,

Cathay Patriotic 17/11/2007 23:35:54

#88. Trunce, Yorkshire

... and Yorkshiremen say Geordies are Scotsmen with their heads kicked in. Not sure who is the butt of the "compliment" there. Yorkies are best qualified to answer that one.

Anyway, what a crappy last minute "decision". Hutton was bounced into next week yet was deemed to have been the fouler. It defies credibility, but maybe not when you consider ... Why was a Latin refereeing squad permitted to oversee this game? Just an innocent question. Bought b@stards.

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise 17/11/2007 23:37:33

How many times can we say a Scotland team took the two best teams in the world right to the wire.

We did it to one in 67, in fact we did better than that we won 3-1.

We did it to one in 74, reigning champs Brazil 0-0 and should have won.

We did it to one in 78, giving Holland a real fright.

We gave a similar fright to Brazil in 82 well first half anyway.

We also gave the Germans a run for their money in Mexico 86.

Then in 1990 we ran Brazil close.

In 98 we again ran Brazil close.

Today, we rocked the world champs and this team can take its place among all the other greats in Scottish football history. This is arguably the greatest Scotland national team ever and guess what? I think we will get even better.

In four years time we could be looking at a team that reads:

Gordon
Hutton
Wilson
McManus
Caldwell
Brown
Thompson
Fletcher
Maloney
McFadden
Miller

Imagine 7 or 8 of that team with an additional 4 years experience. And in reserve, we'll have players such as Marshall, Kennedy, Webster, Smith, McGregor, Whittaker, Beattie, Burke, Riordan and Stephen Fletcher.

The furure is bright. The future is midnight blue and white.

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HMFC,

17/11/2007 23:38:25

Thank god thats over.

Can we get back to the important stuff - SPL.

Who won anyway?

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GGQ,

Surrey 17/11/2007 23:39:59

to 24

I m italian.

EMBARRASSED?? I m not at all.

Outplayed?? shut up mate, you played better in the second half but you can tell that this wasnt the same scotland that you saw against france.

Rely on a referee??? well the lines man was on ur side tho.

We probarly did get a free kick that never existed but you dont win games with free kicks, but we goals. plus even if we didnt get that awared a draw was still enough for us.

If you watched the same game that I did, you know that one (italian) goal was disallowed for an outside that never was and a goal that scotland scored WAS OFFSIDE!!!

So you are lucky you didnt loose 3-0.

To finish off i would say that I was impressed with the stadium, the crowd was amazing, i was speaking to my m8 that was there and the staduim sounded amazing throught the phone.

I m a bit upset that didnt finish in a draw, the result that I wanted really, because i didnt want to make a favour to France, scotland deserved more then shitty France to qualify from this group.

I think you guys should stop complaining about this game because what didnt make you qualify tonight was the past result against Georgia.

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise 17/11/2007 23:42:40

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Patrick I dont blame the ref for that decision. I blame the assistant ref. He had a better view and should have changed the refs decisons. From where the ref stood it was a 50-50 decision nad he gave it against us.

All in all, the ref was fair.

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Flinders87,

Aus 17/11/2007 23:51:33

Sorry my scottish friends that you lost like that.
A draw would have been fairer but don't blame the ref. the free kick prior the italian goal should have been given to the Scots. However, the Scottish goal was clearly offside, "What goes around comes around" is the unwritten law of the game. Tonight's game was irrelevant, you lost your ticket to the finals aganist Georgia. What count at the end of the day is consistency and you guys have lacked that. You still should be proud. It was one of the toughest qualifying groups in years and beating France twice is unheard of.

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise 17/11/2007 23:52:12

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Daniel you are an idiot. Hundreds of throusands of Scots fought and died for Britain. Also if Britain has anyone to thank for winning wars then its the Americans. But for them we would have probably been under the german jackboot.

On the subject of war, the Italians hardly covered themselves in glory during WW2. Taking sides with Hitler and then surrendering without so much as a fight when the allies invaded.

I also think you should thank the Scots for the quality of life you have today.

Without the scots, you'd have No

Telephone
Television
Penicillin
Tarmac
Adhesive Postage Stamps
The Pneumatic tyre
The bicycle

I could go on as the list is extensive, but why educate you.

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise 17/11/2007 23:53:17

Flinders

Even if Scotland had beaten Georgia we'd still not have qualified.

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Berty Hamish,

Vienna 17/11/2007 23:53:40

Anyone wanna chip in with me for a pizza?

No takers?!

Offski. Time for hibernation. Wake me up when the world cup qualifiers begin!

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Kung-Half-Fu,

Cathay Patriotic 17/11/2007 23:54:40

#228. Timothy Malloy Esq

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm sure it was 3-2 to us in 1967. Now, was I there or was I not?

The future, as you say, could well be bright, but I wish we could go back to playing in a recognisable Scots strip again instead of that bloody awful outfit with red piping and numbers. The traditional Scottish strip is a plain dark blue top (without variegated bits) and plain white collar and cuffs - and white shorts.

I also remember socks which were black with red tops. Talking of socks, why are some players pulling them over their knees these days? Is this some stupid fad or is there a technical reason? We should be told.

To all above and elsewhere on these forums who can't spell - the word is "lose" not "loose". Now bugger off and learn please. I am angry today. Now where did I put my Croatia top?

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise 17/11/2007 23:55:53

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Sorry mate I stand corrected the English did grab a second near the end.

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marco from nottinghamshire,

nottingham, Italy 17/11/2007 23:56:26

To #226
Well, you've been conquered some centuries ago, right?
I'm a pacifist, so I can't be against your decision to give it up at a certain point.
But, why the hell don't you just decide to declare your nation free? For money?
Wait, how is it call that? Uhm...

"No Nation has what Scotland has".
I'd better say "All the nations have what Scotland has not". FREEDOM! Try it! It's good.

My "crooked veins" thank you.
yes, you "deserved to win".
Don't make me laugh.

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JamesyBHOY,

17/11/2007 23:56:55

I am as sad as you are with the result. But think a bit.

Scotland hope for an early goal (their way). Would you really change your tactics five minutes in. Scotland got it right. Pull one back against all the odds.

It wissney a 5-0 drubbing, it was a good crack at the world's best.

Good enough for me
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The thing is it wasn't a crack we had. We should have been down at least 2-0 at half-time. The pundits in the studio were talking about changes & rightly so. Even Davie Provan was saying McLeish would make changes sooner rather than later.

70mins on the clock & our 2 most prolific strikers were splintering their ars#es on the bench.

Having a crack, he would have went to 60mins max, then put McFadden at left mid. Miller & Boyd up front & going 4-4-2.

The only 'big' team we have had what you could call a crack at in the last few campaigns is Ukraine & we beat them 3-1.

He set up cautiously in the 1st half. Fair enough, I said I'd give him the benefit of the doubt. However we rightfully should have been down multiple goals at half-time, so that strategy & approach simply wasn't working. Yet he doesn't change anything until 20mins from the end. We lose a late, late goal. Then he throws on Boyd with around 30/60secs of injury time left. I didn't want him to change it after 5 mins. However at half-time it was clear we were posing no threats other than from set-pieces & they were few & far between. The changes should have been made at either half-time or before 60mins.

Exact same in Georgia, screws up selection. Plays Maloney on the left, Fletcher on the right. Pearson in the middle. Takes him around 35 or so mins to realise the mistake. He changes it to the way it should have been & we immediately improve. Rightfully gives them another chance in the 2nd half. However by first 10mins it's clear they are back on to

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise 17/11/2007 23:57:42

I know Hampden is the national stadium, but I think if todays game was played at Celtic Park or Ibrox the italians would have had are harder time.

At Hampden the fans are too far away from the action.

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Albert Kidd's 86 allstars,

Melbourne 17/11/2007 23:59:18

#232. Daniel Mar.
While I dont really agree with the tone of writing from AFCBERTY I feel obliged as a Scotsman to tell you that history will ell you we dont really need anyone to fight our battles, after all the might of the Roman army was no match for us neither were these English people whose 'nipples' we would apparently have to suck. You do realise that withuot us Sots you woul.ldn't have the TV screen you're looking at now? Sheep and Kilts, yes we have those, but we also have a stunning lack of corruption (OF aside) throughout our country and sport. Can you claim the same?

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Daniel_MAR,

18/11/2007 00:00:29

*****Timothy Malloy Esq*****

Shall I start to list Italian "invented" as starting for modern democracy, we benchmarked what is arts today and so on...
many brave italian people fought the allies but unfortunely that was a already lost battle as result of communist influence in the south of italy, than the americans...you know who discovered america?............
certanly not a scotsaman
regards

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AFCBERTY,

Glasgow 18/11/2007 00:00:57

Daniel_MAR

Don't make me laugh!!!!

Your roman empire couldn't get the better of us that's why you built a big wall to keep us out!!!

Theres only one other nation in Europe with less heart than your country, FRANCE!!!

I know my patriotism is guiding my comments here but your nation amongst most others in Europe are spineless cowards with no fight and have to resort to skullduggery and corruption to acheive your goals, we on the other hand do it with good honest endeavour.

That is why I will sleep soundly tonight, I know my team got to where they are through hard work and don't have to rely on back door shenanigans to get ahead!!

What I will say though in fairness to your glorious nation, your players tonight DID put in a good shift and make no mistake, they will be on a plane home tonight knowing that they were in a game of football.

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Jock MacSprog,

18/11/2007 00:01:43

my god there are some sad people on this forum.

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise 18/11/2007 00:01:55

I dont know why some people in Scotland go on about independence. I am quite happy to be part of the Union.

I have many English friends and relatives and though I cant stand the english media and some of their players, I dont dislike the country.

Scotland is far more beautiful though and generally the people are friendlier and warmer. Shame about the bigotry that exists. That is the one thing that really drags us down. But we still are a fine nation.

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JamesyBHOY,

18/11/2007 00:02:19

Even if Scotland had beaten Georgia we'd still not have qualified.
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It means we'd have needed Ukraine to do us a favour against France! Anything other than a French win would have sent us through I think!

However after being beaten by 2 16yr old youth players. Who are nowhere near getting a first team game for their clubs. Another 17yr old rookie who's in the same position. A capatain without a club. Then we honestly didn't deserve to qualify.

The SFA done this around the 50's I believe. They knocked back the chance to go & play in the WC or Euros because they didn't earn qualification themselves! I think the side got beat by one of the other home nations or something.

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AK Mike,

Anchorage, USA 18/11/2007 00:02:21

The loss to Georgia is what sealed our fate. I woke up this morning to check the score and have just felt sick all day. Hope everybody is at least proud of all the team has accomplished.

Maybe next time around we'll avoid the "group of death" and actually have a realistic chance. Would have loved to have had england's problems, having to overcome the likes of Croatia and Israel. Makes me wonder how they would have done in our group.

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Daniel_MAR,

18/11/2007 00:04:34

Albert Kidd's 86 allstars,

I clearly overeacted I do apologize,
but why be offensive to somebody's country over a football game?
Im a liutenant in the italian army and everyday I get up I have to remind myself that I swore a oath, to protect my country and my country's reputation against imbecille such as AFCBERTY
thank you for your sane comment
Dan

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Pierre75,

Paris, France 18/11/2007 00:04:54

Scotland probably has the best fans in the world.
Excepted, for some, on the internet...
Qualification was not lost against Italy. It was lost against Georgia.

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craigy,

s lanarkshire 18/11/2007 00:06:25

Look, we lost..thats football...get over it. Maybe the ref was crap but at the end of the day he did'nt head the ball into the net, the Italian player did that and we failed to stop him...overall the dodgy decisions (Italy's disallowed goal and our denied penalty) evened out, so although we pressed them in the 2nd half they were all over us like a rash in the 1st. good luck to Italy, I hope they do well. As for us..we had a great campaign and can only look ahead with renewed confidence for the next world Cup in S. Africa.

Well done Scotland, you have restored some pride back in the nation.

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Kung-Half-Fu,

Cathay Patriotic 18/11/2007 00:06:35

#238. Timothy Malloy Esq

No prob Tim. and yes, I was there! Why are there so many sour English erses on here talking about wars gone by? Are they worried about Wednesday coming?

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise 18/11/2007 00:06:57

243

Italians have contributed a great deal to the world - esp in arts, fashion and music. Great but hardly essential.

I personally rank Italy as my favourite country and go on holiday there every year. I love the people, the food, the history and the culture. But you Signor, are a disgrace to Italy and all italians with your detrimental remarks about the scottish nation and its people. You should hang your head in shame to ridicule a nation that has given so many lives for freedom.

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AFCBERTY,

Glasgow 18/11/2007 00:07:53

Daniel_MAR

I apologise mate!!!

Big respect to you defending your country!!

I too am very passionate about my nation and as a nation we can get pretty fired up when we are riled.

All the very best to you and your team in the Euro championships!! :)

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise 18/11/2007 00:11:47

243

America was already inhabited by Native People estimated to be from the Inca or Aztec peoples.

Also Eric the Red, a Norseman is said to have set foot in America, landing firstly in Canada. There are also reports that irish priests landed on American soil in the 11th century.

As usual History is often re-written for commercial or territorial gain.

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise 18/11/2007 00:14:34

Pierre

If we had beaten Georgia we would still be relying on a favour from Ukraine. The facts are, we had to win today to qualify and it wasn't to be. No shame as we gave it our best shot, but it just wasn't our time. We will get stronger and the future for the national team is very bright indeed.

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taggart's reason,

earth 18/11/2007 00:14:46

239 ciao marco,

by the way i'm not scottish and from an outsider's perspective, SCOTLAND really does have what other nations do not, and that's the wee man with such an enormous amount pleasant pride.

i've been to to different parts of italia and whilst i find it as charming and lovely as can be- there's one undeniable fact: as a sporting nation, it's the lowest of the low. when the word sportsmanship was invented- it must have had italy as the complete antithesis in mind. think about it- as it also refers to its politics and business dealings.

just cause you or your family might hail from those parts, don't be so blind to its shocking truths.

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Daniel_MAR,

18/11/2007 00:17:23

AFCBERTY,
was stupid for me to say what I said, and I want to tell you that I lived in edinburgh for a year and I think your country and your people are simply great, I even got married in a kilt...
thank you for your remarks, but Im sure you will understand why I said these things.
all the best (and by the way my wife's scottish)
Dan

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marco from nottinghamshire,

nottingham, Italy 18/11/2007 00:20:11

Sorry for my #239 comment.
You Scottish people don't deserve it.

It was personal against taggart's reason.
My "crooked veins" can't bear that much.

And... ehm... telephone?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meucci

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise 18/11/2007 00:21:42

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I question whether they are English??? I personally do not know one Englishman who is even aware of the Scotsman or this site and I live in England!

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Daniel_MAR,

18/11/2007 00:23:24

cheating sleezy pigs

Reverse psychology?
probably is the only word ýou can spell right as is the only word you can remember from the last visit to your shrink.
learn how to write and spell english then maybe I and the people in this forum will finally manage to read what you writing HOW sad can it be when an italian can speak and write better than you...
go back and do your gsce for your own sake....

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise 18/11/2007 00:24:12

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Yes Marco...

Alexander Graham Bell a scotsman invented the Telephone...not Marconi...he was too late...

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ULTRAS ANCONA,

ANCONA ITALY 18/11/2007 00:25:53

THIS IS FOR AFCBERTY:
WHEN THE ROMANS CAME TO ENGLAND YOU WERE JUMPING ON THE TREES, WE KEPT SCOTS OUT OF ENGLAND BY BUILDING THE HADRIAN'S WALL. ROMANS INVENTED THE LAW.
AND I THINK THAT'S ENOUGH FOR NOW.
READ THE HISTORY YOU LL UNDERSTAND WHO ITALIANS ARE.

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise 18/11/2007 00:26:11

258

you are a disgrace to the british

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Daniel_MAR,

18/11/2007 00:28:03

ULTRAS ANCONA,
speriamo che hanno capito di cosa siamo fatti!!
FORZA ITALIA

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colinallcars,

mia 18/11/2007 00:29:18

there are some sad people on line here. We lost. This is a fact. We played great to get this close. This is a fact.

"Dodgey refs" is an opinion.
Abusing Italians is an (sad) opinion.

We shoud have been 2-0 down. This is a fact.

We still outplayed them for 90mins but the result was 2-1. If you were French, you be saying same over their 2 games with us.

Don't act like little kids when we lose. It makes us look like english, which is even worse than losing.

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise 18/11/2007 00:30:49

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Romans invented THEIR Law. Not THE law.

There were many civilizations long before the Roman Empire. And again could you call the Roman Empire a civilization. Murder, torture, exections, invasions and throwing christians to lions for entertainments. Barbarous, arrogant and evil. No wonder Christianity flourished. It was an education, a revolution and a revelation to all those under the
cruelty and inhumanity of Rome.

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AFCBERTY,

Glasgow 18/11/2007 00:31:06

Daniel_MAR

I understand, I too swore an oath to protect my queen and country, it upsets me as it clearly does you too when someone makes derogatory remarks towards my country after all we have given to most of Europe in years gone by lol

I'm feircely proud of Scotland and Great Britain as you are of Italy and respect your defense of your country and people.

I'm going to have another can, boot the dog again and go to my scratcher!!!

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Kung-Half-Fu,

Cathay Patriotic 18/11/2007 00:32:40

#127. Johnny Englander

"It's all in our own hands."

Let's hope that what's in your own hands on Wednesday evening is one sad mealy pudding, screaming for the manager's head as usual. I will bet you are quietly
sh!tting yourself between now and Wednesday.

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise 18/11/2007 00:35:01

AFC

Sounds better than have another scratch, kicking the can and going to bed with a dog!

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Kung-Half-Fu,

Cathay Patriotic 18/11/2007 00:36:42

#258 & 267.

What is this strange language you speak? Calm down, son, it's a commercial. Oh bollocks, no it's not. The IT specialists conned the refs again.

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AFCBERTY,

Glasgow 18/11/2007 00:37:12

I've certainly been to bed with a few hounds right enough HAHAHAHA!!!!

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craigy,

s lanarkshire 18/11/2007 00:37:40

Daniel,
We do not really doubt of what you are made.

As for the Romans, they were an army made up of soldiers from all parts of the Roman Empire, not just from Rome, a kind of prehistoric French Foreign Legion you might say, and as for their campaign in Caledonia... remember what Calgacus is reported to have said, 'They create a desert and they call it peace'

PS Did you'se ever manage to find the 9th Legion?
All the best next year in Euro 2008

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise 18/11/2007 00:38:03

Sad thing is this. Some Rangers fans born and bred in Scotland will have been cheering wee Baz etc...but now that Scotland are out are suddenly backing England and NI and slagging Scotland off.

Personally scotland can do without these so called fans. I hope NI go through but England deserve nothing for their sloppy play and arrogance.

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise 18/11/2007 00:39:37

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Really? Did you serenade them with that old Elvis number...."You aint nothing but a hound dog"?

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marco from nottinghamshire,

nottingham, Italy 18/11/2007 00:49:45

I realize now the daniel_MAR excuse and taggart's reason's new effort against Italians.

I fight everyday against this attitude.
This is an attitude defended by an entire political side, though.
It's difficult to beat Berlusconi as he provokes the crook which lies in you.

And they steal and corrupt because we have laws full of warranties for respondents and a very slow justice.
That's all.

The politicians and the business men steal stirred by lawyers and chartered accountants.

Well, in conclusion I would say that 90% of the population is honest.
The others steal as "L' occasione fa l'uomo ladro", that is "Opportunity makes a thief" (Francis Bacon).

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craigy,

s lanarkshire 18/11/2007 00:50:21

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Daniel,

We do not doubt what you are made of!

As for the Romans, their armies consisted of soldiers from all parts of the Roman Empire, not Just Romans, in fact I reckon you could say that they were the Roman Foreign Legion. As for Caledonia, and its barbaric tribes.. remember what Calgacus was reported to have said before the battle of Mons Grapius..'They Create a desert and they call it peace' So while you may consider your ancestors to have bestowed civilisation on the known world, let us not forget that they were an invading and occupying army who practised untold savagery on their conquered peoples, much as the English did to the Scots in the 13th and 14th centuries, although they only managed a short occupation and never conquered our nation.

By the way...did you ever manage to find out what happened to your 9th Legion?

Good luck in Euro 2008
craigy

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rbb,

usa 18/11/2007 00:58:26

it is time for footbal to get its house in order and allow some form of video evidence how long would it have taken to overrule that horrible decision that was made at the end of the game it happens a lot try telling any scotish fan tonight that its just the rub of the green we talk about it all night in bars and watch reruns on tv what good does that do

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Kung-Half-Fu,

Cathay Patriotic 18/11/2007 01:04:23

#282. rbb, usa

Too true. Video evidence should condemn the idiot who made the decision, but I doubt if the blazerati at Uefa will see it that way. Too much revenue at stake. Too many pockets to line.

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Chris_H,

18/11/2007 01:05:05

Keep the chins right up there boys! This teams got a few years left in it and it it'll take more than few corrupt officials to keep us back. It's the same old pish from the euro powers - we'll take the stitch up lads they're so up themselves the games a bogey.

beautiful scotland beautiful.

Imagine being an Italian or spanish football fan - you's reek of falsehood and corruption. You have no concept of standing up and taking it on the chin!

We've done that and we'll see yous all next week.

Down with fifa/uefa stitch up. lets have a proper game of footy.

You we're exceptional tonite scotland. Best I've seen in ages. We've come of age on that performance. No fear. Lets do it all again - don't think they would fancy it some how.

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Il Duca degli Abruzzi,

18/11/2007 01:08:58

Dear folks,

With all respect, watching the game, its difficult to understand what you, scots, are proud of?!
I hope for the Suggestive atmosphere indeed but only for this.
Your team and your soccer level is really poor! both technically and tattically.

Tonight Italy was at 40% (no more) of his strength, always in control the game!suffering as always we do in every match!!

You will never see Italy winning 6-0 a football match! we don't need it, we don't want it.
Far Oer was more dangerous than you and we won just 2-1:-).

Anyway if you still believe that was a great match and you deserve to win, please come back on earth and wake up!! next time that you see the game.

Tonight You could only hope for a corner kick, a free kick, a messy crowd in a penalty area to score!and thats it!

Furthermore we have been quite damaged by the referee but seem to be exactly the opposite!

Ok, every one has an opinion and it is fine, but next time make sure that we are watching all the same football match!! arent we?

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Chris_H,

18/11/2007 01:10:35

Is that some english fans trying a bit of a put down?? Class ain't it. We would easily play football thru you lot all night and the best part is your team wouldn't even bother.

Excellent - heartless, souless. It's all over when that happens - lovely.

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thomas,

midlothian 18/11/2007 01:20:23

the referee did not rob us , alex mcleish did. fresh legs should have been put on the park after 60mins.
the players on the bench would have given fresh impetus to the team . mcleish is a joke, similar to craig brown, and why was that muppet commentating on this game. the s.f.a. officers should be burned at the stake for his involvement.
tough luck guys you tried your best, the administrators of scottish football did not.

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Nova Scotian,

Halifax Nova Scotia 18/11/2007 01:23:52

I hate to admit this, but I am really hurting after this day has come to an end - I cant get the what could have happened out of my mind.

It appears that, not many people that count, is prepared to say that the ref was corrupt and is able to change anything that will get us to the finals.

The dream has gone, but not over for ever. We rode this stallion long and hard in this competition and punched way above our weight constantly - we have lots to be proud of but alas not the result we wanted.

Scotty Broon where were you, today as Simon and Garfunkel wrote in Mrs Robinson....the nation turned its lonely eye to you - you were the key man (at least before the game kicked off).

Their will be so much pi*h written about this game from this point on, relavent and (absolutely irrelavent), but sadly the scoreline will stand and the emotion / passion and sense of injustice that we all felt for this encounter will not be and cannot be accurately reflected in the scoreline.

Well done to all the lads, you've done oor wee nation proud, you've given us back respect in the arenas where we really want to be judged.

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Kung-Half-Fu,

Cathay Patriotic 18/11/2007 01:28:53

#285. Il Duca degli Abruzzi

When you get your arrrogant Italian head out of your fat Abruzzi @rse you will maybe see that game - and similar others - in perspective. We, Scotland, play a far different game to the Latin diving, play-acting, cheating model. It's known in Northern Europe as fair play. Physical yes, but invariably fair. You will almost never see a Scots (or English, Welsh, Irish or Scandinavian or Dutch for that matter) player go down after the slighest physical brush pretending he is mortally injured. Italians are the masters of that despicable "game", so please don't come the high-and-mighty on these forums.

You, Il Duce II, are like the scumbag Nazi-loving dictator that f*cked up your country 60+ years ago. I actually like Italy, the country, its food and wine, and its people generally. You and your ilk are the putrid exception.

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Scot-free,

18/11/2007 01:58:55

Andrew from Italy

why don't you go and have sex with your MAMA like all good ITALIAN boys

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Kung-Half-Fu,

Cathay Patriotic 18/11/2007 02:03:07

Talking of putrid exceptions ... #293 just joined Il Duce above.

Just remember, Lucaaaa (how many letter A extensions do you need to make your point?) what your own people did to Mussolini. Hung from a lamp-post for all your fair-minded sports-loving countrymen to admire.

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ReSuazo,

18/11/2007 02:03:18

scots are sore losers....or better......scots losers eheheh...take off your kilt and wear shorts!

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Allan59,

18/11/2007 02:07:12

I hate to quote kilt-wearing Sir Harry Lauder (I wouldn't be caught dead in a kilt - I'm from Glasgow... and was an adult before Braveheart changed our culture.. I last wore one in 1965) Read Tom Devine you kilt wearers...!

Lauder was talking about WW1, in which he'd lost his only son. So not quite the same thing...

Anyway, my fellow Scots, keep life in perspective. At least you didn't cheat.


Ev'ry road thro' life is a long, long road,
Fill'd with joys and sorrows too,
As you journey on how your heart will yearn,
for the things most dear to you.
With wealth and love 'tis so
but onward we must go-

Keep right on to the end of the road, keep right on to the end,
Tho' the way be long, let your heart be strong, keep right on round the bend.
Tho' you're tired and weary still journey on, till you come to your happy abode,
Where all you love you've been dreaming of will be there at the end of the road.

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Scot-free,

18/11/2007 02:09:18

#285 & #289

Both of you are obviously of the character that you would probably betray your own family for a sniff of filthy gold. Despicable does not even come close to describing the depths to which you and your lowlife countryman will stoop in search of pyrrhic victories.
Mussolini was to good for you and your nation of back-stabbers, but justice comes in many shapes and forms and the punishment meted is unrelenting.
Sleep now and for ever but never soundly, one day it will all be set to rights and no amount of play acting will help you. You have been warned!

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SonySteve,

Nagyvarad 18/11/2007 02:28:50

I am a hungarian who lives in Transilvania, and I'M PROUD TO BE A SCOTISH FAN.

Scotland NR.1 ;)

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Kung-Half-Fu,

Cathay Patriotic 18/11/2007 02:43:21

#299. SonySteve

Good man SonySteve. Welcome to our fold. We Scots remember so well what that magnificent Hungarian team (Puskas et al) did to the mighty England way back in time. I'm coming to Budapest next month. First time there and look forward to it.

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WSM,

Philippines 18/11/2007 02:44:09

Lets face it, the Spanish invented corruption and the Italians invented rolling around in agony, so, playing Italy with Spanish officials, Scotland never had a chance right from the start.

It's amazing how these cheating officials and players get off with it every time while UEFA & FIFA look on doing nothing.

Example, Australia in the 2006 World Cup where the offending Aussie was gobsmacked at the referees decision, I'll never forget his defeated face.

The same officials pander to the diving dandies of Italy, Spain and Portugal and cheat the smaller teams, like Scotland, out of what little glory they are only occasionally in a position to celibrate.

If Italy can't beat their opponents
They will cheat their opponents

I would rather be a defeted Scot than an Italian ponce.

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LUCAAAAA,

REGGIO EMILIA ITALY 18/11/2007 02:52:10

ITALIAN STILE...
VALENTINO
ARMANI
DOLCE GABBANA
ROBERTO CAVALLI
MAX MARA
VERSACE
TRUSSARDI
FERRE'
GUCCI
PRADA
FENDI
ECCCC...

SCOTLAND STILE...
KILT...


AHAHAHHAHAHAH

ITALIAN FOOD

PIZZA
CAPPUCCINO
COFFE
PASTA
ECCCC....

SCOTLAN FOOD..

MMMMMM....BOH !!!!

ITALIAN FOOTBAL

4 CHAMPION WORLD

1 CHAMPION EUROPE

SCOTLAND FOOTBAL

..................???????


I LOVE MUSSOLINI !!!!!!!!!

10-100-1000 MUSSOLINI!!!!!!!

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Italian scot,

italy 18/11/2007 02:57:28

I'm half italian and half scot and for how much I can be happy for Italy I' m extremely sad for Scotland ...a tie would have been a good result!
But guys please stop all this crying !!!I never remember Scots to be such bad loosers! Pride please! Of course it hurts to loose in this way but nobody mentioned that Italy's second goal was good and the Scottish goal was in off side...in the end a tie would have been good for both and fu**** the french but scream for rubbery is too much !
No more crying ...onor and pride we will be back for the world cup ,Scotland is a very young team and can only get better with experience!

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LUCAAAAA,

REGGIO EMILIA ITALY 18/11/2007 02:59:40

SORRY....

ITALIAN MOTORS

FERRARI CHAMPIONS WORLD

DUCATI CHAMPIONS WORLD

SCOTLAN MOTORS

BOHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

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Black & White Triumph,

Breakfast of broken dreams 18/11/2007 02:59:55

Well we'll just have to get back to doin what we're best at, rulling the world

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Jockoz,

brisbane, australia 18/11/2007 03:01:22

no 194 shug
"Bottom line was that a draw would have been a fair result and if Hutton (who was magnificent), had hoofed the ball into the stand instead of trying to take the ball past the Italian on his own byeline then they wouldn't have got the corner."
Corner? What corner? The Italians got the free kick after Hutton DID hoof it into the stand then got flattened into the turf for his trouble!

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Italian scot,

italy 18/11/2007 03:11:12

STOP THE CRYING ...DO YOU WANT TO ALL LOOK LIKE ENGLISHMANS ?

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Kung-Half-Fu,

Cathay Patriotic 18/11/2007 03:15:21

#302

(ITALIAN) STILE [sic] is cosmetic sh!te. Scotland does honest substance. Get a life, silly little man.

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Dekester,

Canada's westcoast 18/11/2007 03:25:37

What a game. What a night. Scotland were superb, Ferguson was offside, the Italian very likely not. these mistakes one can accept without replays.

However the two fouls late in the game, Ferguson at the other end where the italian slipped, and of course the Hutton incident. Utterly disgraceful. Sour grapes I know. However those two missed calls. Really do make one very suspicious.

Match fixing!!! As soon as Scotland scored the reffing of the game changed dramatically. Imagine the scenes in Italy with the violence, should Italy have not gone through??

Did you see the end to the Russia game, oh...I despise England.(small minded I know.)

Money and power always wins...sad but true.

Well done Scotland the whole campaign was awesome..(except Georgia.) Let us hold our head high.

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Daunt,

18/11/2007 03:43:33

I was fearing that Scotland's second goal arrived, that's why I cheered when we scored the second, otherwise I would have preferred a draw for a chance to see italy and scotland qualify instead of france.

But please, how can someone talk about cheating for a misgiven free kick, when the 2-0 goal was denied and the 1-1 goal was allowed although it was in offside? I mean... you shouldn't be the ones complaining here, just imagine what you'd say if that happened to Scotland and not to your opponent... here we consider scotsmen as examples of sportmanship, but I'm not seeing that here....

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JAL to Easter Road,

San Francisco, CA 18/11/2007 03:50:20

#303-- all due respect but I don't see Scots on here screaming in all caps.

Heart breaking for Scotland, here in California.

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Lachie Bheag,

Oman 18/11/2007 04:21:43

Okay, ra boays played well and we wuz robbed. That's our battlecry ! That's also the world of football. At the very least, it showed we're back again and can play against the World's best and put them on the rack. It's a start and at last we've kicked out the Bertie Vogt years. Now we have the basis of a good team and must concentrate on the next World Cup. I've never got too excited about European international championships but the World Cup - that's the Scottish dream ! Ever since we first tasted its heady flavours during the Willie Ormond years ! So let's build in-depth on this team and let's at last forge the killer instinct and at last make others the brave losers. We have the best fans in the World. Scotland - Let's learn to be winners.

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Lachie Bheag,

Oman 18/11/2007 04:26:29

Okay, ra boays played well and we wuz robbed. That's our battlecry ! That's also the world of football. At the very least, it showed we're back again and can play against the World's best and put them on the rack. It's a start and at last we've kicked out the Bertie Vogt years. Now we have the basis of a good team and must concentrate on the next World Cup. I've never got too excited about European international championships but the World Cup - that's the Scottish dream ! Ever since we first tasted its heady flavours during the Willie Ormond years ! So let's build in-depth on this team and let's at last forge the killer instinct and at last make others the brave losers. We have the best fans in the World. Scotland - Let's learn to be winners.

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CaliforniaBhoy,

Long Beach 18/11/2007 04:42:57

I found a site on the internet where I was able to watch the game. My wife surprised me when she walked into the kitchen just before the game started. The supporters were singing Flower of Scotland, I had tears in my eyes, she gave me a hug.

You can take the boy out of Glasgow, you can't take Glasgow out of the boy.

What a glorious, sad day it was!!!!

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Kung-Half-Fu,

Cathay Palaeolithic 18/11/2007 04:53:50

#314. CaliforniaBhoy

Puts it all in perspective, that. Usually, I'm 7,000 miles away from home when I hit the same problem. This time not. Still a bugger though. We were within touching grasp. Don't let the sad anti-Scots (UK) tub-thumping sickos on this and other forums distract you. They are, sad to say, Scottish people, of whom I am deeply ashamed. English residents in Scotland have also mentioned this to me and feel the same.

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US Red,

USA 18/11/2007 04:55:40

Scotland played great. Gutted but proud. Our time will come. Look on the bright side- its a lot lot better than supporting Scotland 3 or 4 years ago. We will bounce back.

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Dabulamanzi,

18/11/2007 04:58:23

Oshaugnessy and Malloy yer arses. Sad ones at that using this forum to have a go at Rangers and their fans. Bitter and twisted from cradle to grave.

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Lone Star Don,

Texas 18/11/2007 05:18:45

Jings, 300+ comments and it's still not daylight in Scotland yet. Mostly from spaghetti munchers clearly demonstrating the relief that they dived and cheated their way to victory. They really must have been bricking it coming in to this match.

Back luck Scotland, but at least you had the World Champions sheeiteing it beforehand. Or maybe that's just an Italian thing. Run away!

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Allan Waterhouse,

New York 18/11/2007 05:33:12

Wake up to reality all you Scots. I watched the game and think Italy got the worst decisions. The guy who scored for Scotland was a mile off-side and should not have been allowed and the Disallowed Italian goal was a fair Goal. After reading some of these comments ive lost respect for Scotland and its supporters. I now come to the conclusion.. If your going to carry on like sore losers i say Sucked in Scotland and i will enjoy watching Euro 2008 without you grubs.
"God Bless America"

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Crawford, Bauld, Wardhaugh and Urquart.,

USA 18/11/2007 05:48:43

#164 and 240, JamesMByoy, puts forward an arguement that maybe has merit if we had world class strikers.
We don't, simple as that!
Miller is a fine player, but if he was as good as James implies he is, why is it that there was no big clubs lining up for him when Celtic made him available.
As McLeish said before the game, we would have the Post Match 'experts' telling him where he went wrong, but the guy was man enough to admit we are not in the same class as Italy are at the moment.
But we have shown we DO have a pretty dam good foundation, and if we can find a Law, Jordan, Dalglish trio to cap it off, we are a force to be reckoned with again.
But I am sorry, James, me Bhoy, we will just have to disagree with you as Alex McLeish obviously did, and he has some pedigree, doesn't he?

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Kung-Half-Fu,

Cathay Palaeolithic 18/11/2007 05:52:04

#319. Allan Waterhouse, New York

Did you go to Specsavers? Whoever you purport to "support" it certainly isn't a football team which is identifiable with what we in Europe recognise as support. Bugger off back to your rat-hole in God-Bless-America and suck on cockroaches. You have no idea, so stay out of the territory, tithead.

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Colin P,

18/11/2007 05:56:18

#24 Plastic Paddy...you're such a sad wee man...it's all conspiracies with you, isn't it?

When a player dons the national colours....he's a Scotsman, not a Rangers or any other player.

Stop acting the fool. You're doing yourself no favours.

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JAL to Easter Road,

San Francisco, CA 18/11/2007 05:58:06

#319 Allan Waterhouse, trumpet extraordinaire, you are an embarrassment to the US and are exhibit A as to why we are called sepos.

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maboza,

Seattle 18/11/2007 06:43:52

Alan Waterhouse are you for real or as your name suggests are you just there to take the pee????

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Ballywhorisky,

18/11/2007 06:59:44

Just a wee domestic observation to various Rangers supporters sharing my misery at Scotland's defeat, and bemused by various referee\linesman decisions: Officials today were 10 times better than Mike McCurry's performance at Hades a few weeks ago.

Add to that Gordon Smith's scandalous comments prior to that match (agenda against Rangers, and his frank admission that he had seen Catholic Schools as the "enemy") and you can begin to imagine the frustration of Celts at the mess that is Scottish Football.

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All out,

DK 18/11/2007 07:35:14

Let's try to put some things in perspective guys and stop things getting too personal.

Of course people are upset about the award of the free kick as it was absurd and remembered by everyone as it was the last major event of the match. Overall, though, Scotalnd got their fair share of decisions (the offside decisions for Di Natale's "goal" and Ferguson's goal) so let's not get too involved with the conspiracy theories.

It was a good even game. Italy were better at the start, Scotland in the last twenty minutes and if McFadden had converted his chance, we would be winging our way to the Alps.

A draw would have probably been a just result overall but assuming France get a point in the Ukraine that would not help us much. In the end it was not to be, but the positives from this campaign can't be taken away from us - let's make sure we get to South Africa.

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Encephalon,

18/11/2007 07:46:15

No disgrace to be beaten by the world champions-although after being well and truly "mugged" in the first minute it was always going to be an uphill struggle. But we gave them a good run for their money.

All those blaming the officials -(yet again-is this Celtic paranoia rubbiing off on the Tartan Army??)--please get a grip-the officials chalked off a perfectly good Italian goal in the first half-our goal was far more offside!

Alan Hutton -what a transformation -along with Barry our best two players by a mile-Fletcher needs to get a club where he gets regular first team football or he is going backwards.

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CaliforniaBhoy,

Long Beach 18/11/2007 07:52:58

BTW, Hutton was great!

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Encephalon,

18/11/2007 07:56:57

#10 -"Now you know what it feels like to be a Celtic fan"

oh diddums -put your dummy back in your gob-you complete and utter embarrassment-paranoia is so engrained in your psyche-yes of course it must be all those masonic Spanish and Italians conspiring against us or maybe we Scots are not Roman Catholic enough- is that it?

What a tool!

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Sean G,

18/11/2007 08:27:47

#219 "Here we go again, another team loses and the corruption and the robbery bull*** comes out again...HOW SAD!!"


Remind us which country had a corruption scandal in recent years involving its top clubs and referees and relegated its biggest club-Juventus?

You may not like it- but mud sticks and Italy is tainted and synonymous the world over with corruption, cowardness, cheating, back-stabbing and everything else that is bad in football-you ruined the beautiful game back in the 60's.

Italy always have been so renowned -even at the last WC you cheated to get Zidane sent off-but your hooligan racist fans should mean a far bigger ban for Italian teams-but the money-men at UEFA will not act against the bigger countries.

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Dubai,

18/11/2007 08:36:25

When I woke up this morning I was still a Scotsman. And that is a privilege I will take to the grave.

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bluenoseincanada,

Stratford, Ontario 18/11/2007 08:40:16

Blame the 3 Scotsmen marking each other in the 1st. minute when the throw-in was taken.

Blame whoever should have been on the posts when the 'phantom' freekick was taken.

Blame Hutton and McFadden for missing the target with good opportunities.

This is if you have to blame somebody.

Scotland played well, but, were just not good enough on the day. We were not good enough on a couple of days earlier in the competition when we dropped points to teams with a lesser pedigree than Italy. Hopefully, we will continue to improve and, when the World Cup Qualifying draws to a close, we will not HAVE TO win the final game to qualify. (Walter Smith take note.)

To #'s 24, 276 and 326, thank you for your twisted and demented comments regarding all things "Rangers". They just serve to reinforce my feelings about people of your ilk.

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Grimsby Hibee,

Going back to Dam 18/11/2007 08:41:52

# 335 too right mate, dont spend a cent on a Spaniard, BOYCOTT SPAIN!!

Alba Gu Brath

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McMillar,

Fife 18/11/2007 08:45:09

Ok so we rode our luck to get that far but that doesn’t explain the ending. JK Rowling wouldn’t have dared come up with something so bizarre. Those 2 ‘strange’ decisions in last 5 minutes are classics! You can see this in years to come.

Q. Scotland have ball and on blind side an Italian player comes running in to shoulder charge him off the park. Freeze the action and what happens next?

a) Free kick to Scotland
b) Play on
c) Throw in to Scotland

Nope trick question the answer is z) free kick to Italy.

Talking about the controversial decisions from earlier isn’t valid as I’m sure the ref wasn’t trying to balance things out. Then again, I’m not sure what he was trying to do…

Regrettably, the biggest loser in all this is football as these farcical situations do nothing for anyone’s confidence in the administration. Too many questions and again there must be a call to introduce some sort of video replay to ensure ALL decisions are as accurate as possible.

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less talk more rock,

Krakow, Poland 18/11/2007 08:47:03

Example number 12,753 of how Italy - and most bigger sides - get every call all the time, espescially when it matters most. Not one neutral observer in 100 would award that last ball that turned into the winner to Italy, not one! The refereeing was scandalous and in the future maybe UEFA should just go ahead and do away with the formality of guiding Italy, France, etc through meaningless qualifying rounds and just put them straight into the finals.

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Dubai,

18/11/2007 08:54:07

337 Sorry going there for Xmas and New Year

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Grimsby Hibee,

Going back to Dam 18/11/2007 08:57:28

# 340 Cancel there is lots of nice countries in Europe, Dont spend your hard earned cash on a bunch of cheats.

Alba Gu Brath

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Campioni del mondo,

18/11/2007 09:01:46

Hei....
I have been reading quite much comments about Italy has rob the match.

Please just note the the Di Natale's goal was absolutly regular and the Scotland's goal was not ( off side).

We do respect you ...but be fair.
Italy won just because we were stronger then you.
( there must be a reason why we are world chanpions ...and you are not).

So ...just say to us BRAVO... and try harder next time.

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Dubai,

18/11/2007 09:03:08

When Scotland is an independent country maybe things will change. Its coming yet for all that.

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massigubbi,

it's a shame for Scotland!! 18/11/2007 09:29:16

I'm happy for my country, Italy. It's no coincidence that we're the World Champions, you can to see if it's necessary, too.
Much to my regret for Scotland, that it's out now cause the omnipotent intention to win at all costs.
I think that if Scotland to be content that the match is a draw, it'll pass.
Congratulations for emotions at all!
Thank you.

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french lover,

france 18/11/2007 09:35:08

I said just an old sweet song,
Keeps Georgia on my mind

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Campioni del mondo,

MILANO italy 18/11/2007 09:36:14

well....the more I keep reading your comments the more come out out how little you are.
You keep talking about Italy corription and so on .As we say in Italy bla bla bla ...count as zero and facts count only.
...well if it makes you fell better keep on doing this but know aslo that only loser act in like this.

If Italy would have been sent off by Scotland we would have say that you were better then us and you had desererved to go to Eurocup more then us
( and at the end it wouldn't have been such a but thing as a nice country would have achieved it.....)....but after this commernts I have had the pleasure to read...well I m happy than this sunner we will try to get another cup and you will be watching some "big brother"..on tv...drinking your dear beer.

Ciao ciao sweety

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Il Duca degli Abruzzi,

18/11/2007 09:37:21

#288-#292

1. "Mr Chips" I eat "chips" with tomato souce! CARO IL MIO COGLIONAZZO!!!!

2. "Mr Kung-Half-Fu" YOU HAVE TO learns the elegance and the class of italian playerS.
Watch The masters of SERIA A playing on Sunday afternoon. GIVE UP your rugby - soccer?? in SPL.
Have a fun!!! COM'ON

We are the MASTER of THIS GAME.
FOOTBALL MATCH IS NOT KUNG FU MATCH O RUGBY MATCH :-)

BE "HUMBLE" AND LEARN FROM ITALIAN MASTERS SO NEXT TIME WITH "CATENACCIO" - THAT WE INVENTED AND IS STILL THE WORLD CHAMPION STYLE - MAYBE YOU'LL DEFEAT ENGLISH MATES

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funkymorro,

bassano 18/11/2007 09:40:19

Hi guys,
I think the scots have given an important lesson to the italians. Fairplay and civilization.
Even if Di Natale's goal had to be convalidated and Ferguson's was offside a draw could have been a right result.
But the scots lost the chance in the last 10th minute and italians did it at the end.
It's been a beautiful game, well played on both sides.
This is football, this is sport.
And i know (and appreciate) that u scots are really sportiv (much more then us italians). And, i repeat, u have given us a lesson. In the streets, at the stadium, etc.
And it's been a real honour to play this spectacular game with you.
Really!
This is sport.

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Kiwi Hibee,

Edinburgh 18/11/2007 09:40:44

I remember when we Kiwis complained of poor refereeing after the All Blacks were sent out of the World Cup. Many called this poor sportsmanship. 'Stop blaming the ref, and just accept the fact that you lost,' we were told. It's now interesting to see how Scots react in similar circumstances. Are they poor sports too?

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Fayneant,

NZ 18/11/2007 09:41:52

hard to watch, but let's be honest - after the Italian goal went in on 90 seconds did you expect any other result??

Scotland and Big Eck need to build on this campaign. It's forgivable that we didnt qualify but not OK. Scottish sides need to develop the same ability that Italian teams do - win when the chips are down.

If we do, this relatively young side can be the one that beats the records of all their famous predecessors. If they don't, then this entire campaign will really have been in vain and we'll be damned to watch the Groundhog Day glorious failures once again.


I think this side can be different. Time to prove it.

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise 18/11/2007 09:42:09

Really Dubia. When did my country do all this murder etc?

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FriendofPam,

Livingston 18/11/2007 09:47:15

The word in Italian for cheating -
Dida

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Beergoggles,

18/11/2007 09:48:50

Despite some people's protestations on this thread, there seem to be very English people adding their penny's worth to this 'discussion'. Of those that have, very few seem to have anything in common with me or the people I know. Are they indeed English? Sh*t-stirrers for sure, mind. The English posts of support for Scotland are never mentioned again.

I was sad to see Scotland go out in such a manner, as were all Englishman where we were drinking. And as for being arrogant and acting like cry-babies?! FFS.

I would loved to have seen Scotland through, and hope N Ireland can qualify now, difficult job though it might be.

And of course, there is the fact that there are still millions of indigenous English Celts living down here....(but that's for another day!).

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Ally Ross,

18/11/2007 09:51:47

Patrick - I really wish you would stop bringing old firm opinions into a national team story - As a Celtic fan, I'm very embaressed by your anti Rangers, blinkered view on life.

Have you really nothing else to live for? If you don't support your country before your local team you're an arse!

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Barensis,

18/11/2007 09:52:30

Congratulations for your supporters, Hampden was fantastic!! But this was not enough!!!
I should prefer Scotland and Italy at the european championship but, unfortunately for you, we were obliged to take at list on point in hampden.
Anyway Scotland did not merit to qualify for Euro 2008:
You were only lucky to win twice with france;
I was in Bari for Italy - Scotland: scottish team played like an italian second division team, scottish players were just able to run and that's all.
The second goal of Di Natale was good, ferguson was in off side, so the referee favoured Scotland and not Italy!!! Scottish have improved their football but, except Mc Fadden, Scottish players are only able to run and Scotland team is dangerous only in corners. I'm sorry for my Engkish. Bye bye Barensis!!!

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise 18/11/2007 09:54:22

I am going to watch Sunday Supplement on Sky Sports 1 in a few minutes.

If any of you have never seen it before, its four journalists (normally all english) discussing the game. But if you can I advise you to watch it.

It will show why Scots despise the English media. You will see the smarminess and arrogance come over and they will have a little smile that scotland didnt make it.

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FriendofPam,

Livingston 18/11/2007 09:59:12

When Italians cheat the crime they commit is getting caught.

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Beergoggles,

London 18/11/2007 10:01:35

And I also find it ironic that the papacy has been brought up a few times. Was it not Rome who, through their representative the Venerable Bede, decided that the handful of Saxons who had come over to Britain were ripe for conversion, thus sparking the break-up of Ancient Britain as it once was?

Of course, when in Rome, blame it on the Romans ;)......(just kidding, Italians)

Anyway, back to the football insults......

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Beergoggles,

London 18/11/2007 10:03:23

#358

The English media don't represent me. I dislike them probably as much as you!

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Spats,

Edinburgh 18/11/2007 10:07:55

I assumed Scotland on Sunday readers would have some degree of intelligence. Obvioulsy not. Most of the comments on this page are worthy of the Daily Record readers. The bile and hatred spewed against all things Italian are fairly excruciating. If any team was cheated by the ref it was Italy.

Italy pretty much controlled the game. Scotland had their spells but lost. Go away, deal with it and take your petty bigotry with you.

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Ally Ross,

18/11/2007 10:09:58

Cattanachia my arse! The Italians got lucky - hey got lucky in the world cup and they got lucky last night. As for the cheating, diving and time wasting, I would not have expected anything less from them.

Toni and Piro are no better than Rivaldo when it comes to professionalism.

How can you Italains be proud of what you saw last night is beyong me. I am very proud that my country played great football against the biggest cheaters in the world.

Well done Scotland!! We still love you.

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Grimsby Hibee,

Going back to Dam 18/11/2007 10:10:01

BOYCOTT SPAIN CHEATING GIT REFEREE DONT GIVE THEM A PENNY!

Abla Gu Brath

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise 18/11/2007 10:11:37

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Beergoggles I never said they did represent you.

And I agree you probably dislike them as much as many Scots.

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Spats you obviously never read my posts then?

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Pier Paolo,

Sardinia, Italy 18/11/2007 10:12:04

(Translated by babelfish, sorry)

I write from Italy. It has been a good match for both teams. The Scot have been fantastic, but the Italians also: they have gone to play as men, without tricks, facing the challenge to open ace. They have demonstrated of being a ‘squadra’. It has never been easy for they to exceed the Adrian Wall. Beyond that wall there was a people that the ancient romans are not never been able to defeat. It has been the first victory of Italy as a national team against Scotland in Scotland Earth, I would not want to mistake. Let us be the referee. He made some mistakes, also to damage Italians (the game could have finished 2-0 and also 1-1, but always Italy would have had the qualification in the pocket). The penalty denied does not exist. Zambrotta had the adherent arm to the body, could not have cut it. If it does not increase the arms cannot be spoken about penalty, this is the correct casuistry that is applied during judgment arbitrates, there was not will to block the ball.
The frame has been fantastic. At the Hampden Park we received a lesson regard to the civilization and to the correctness of the fans, we that a time have been exporter of discipline and civilization (and culture). The Italian commentators to the TV have spent many praises in order to praise this behavior of the supporters and of the Scot in a generalized manner, we have much to learn. Ours football is sick ( all that is around it), but in field the men go. Those of saturday have been 11 true men against 11 lions. They have not been defeated, this is sufficient. I’m proud to be Italian when that succeeds. In the difficulties Italians know to make square, know to be one square, leaving from apart the cleverness and the individualism. They succeed to make square and to tighten themselves in order to catch up a target. In this they remember indeed the roman legions. The fear makes like an adhesive, all players are to the service of each other, that’s important is

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Pier Paolo,

Sardinia, Italy 18/11/2007 10:13:18

(continua)
...In semifinal Italy had honestly gained the match against Germany, in the final match had defeated Platini’s France team (an old square but rich in experience, difficult to face and to defeat - Italy has not succeeded to make it in these qualifications, but Scotland did, honor to the merit). Italy has gained the world championship against all, even against itself. Blatter has not come down in the field in order to reward the ‘azzurri’ and not even Platini, seems to me have made it Johansonn.
But Italy is therefore: able to perform miracles when all seems lost, able to find again itself and to give the best of himself, abrading the bottom of the barrel. Nobody in Scotland must be disappointed in elimination. They have been deprives of authority by the champions of the world and the vice champions of the world in a tournement of death. I think Scotland would deserve a wild card to the European Championship, it would be nice to see it in action (Once Holland had gained the European championship, In Sweden, after to have been found again at the last moment). If I was one Scottish would be proud for my team. You are struck with honour and fair-play, not only within the field. You have gained the game of the civilization. That’s all that count in the appraisal of the level of one nation. Much more than the victories in sports. Your heroism gives much more honour to our small Victory. Congratulations.

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Forza Azzurri,

Rome 18/11/2007 10:14:12

I THOUGHT YOU WERE FANTASTIC FANS, LIKE YOU SHOWED YESTERDAY AT THE END OF THE MATCH. BUT YOU ARE ONLY RIDICOLOUS, YOU LIVE IN ANOTHER PLANET, YOU ARE NOTHING IN FOOTBALL AND NOT ALSO IN FOOTBALL.
WHAT I READ IN THIS STUPID POST IS UNBELIVABLE. WE ARE CORRUPTED, WE ARE THE ANTI-FOOTBALL, WE ARE CHIEFS, WE BOUGHT THE REFEREE.
I THINK ITALY PLAYED A MARVELLOUS FIRST HALF, WITH 3 FORWARDS (WHILE SCOTLAND, WHO NEEDED TO WIN, PLAYED WITH THE ONLY MC FADDEN). WE SCORED AN ABSOLUTELY REGULAR GOL WITH DI NATALE BUT THE SCOTTISH REFEREE ANNULLED IT. BARRY FERGUDON WAS CLEARLY IN OFFSIDE WHEN YOU TIED THE GAME BUT THE SCOTTISH REFEREE CONVALIDED IT. WE WON TWO GAMES AGAINST YOU, WE ARE THE WORLD CHAMPIONS, YOU ARE ARROGANTS LIKE THE FRENCH. I'M VERY HAPPY YOU LOST THE GAME.
GRANDI REGAAAAAAA

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise 18/11/2007 10:15:33

Pier

I am sure your posts are good reads. But I never bothered as they are just too long and not structured well enough.

Try putting in clear concise paragraphs and double spacing. Then they might just get read.

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Forza Azzurri,

Rome 18/11/2007 10:16:30

SEE YOU NEXT YEAR IN AUSTRIA AND SWITZEL...OPS, NO I'M SORRY, YOU WILL NOT BE AT THE EURO CHAMPIONSHIP. EHEHEHEHEH
ITALY= FOURTH TIME WORLD CHAMPIONS
SCOTLAND= ONLY BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA

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Forza Azzurri,

Rome 18/11/2007 10:19:15

CONGATULATIONS TO THE WORLD CLASS PLAYER JAMIE MCFADDEN. EH EH EH EH. BUT HE FAULTED THE SECOND GOL BECAUSE WE BOUGHT THE REFEREE.
AHAHAHAHAH, RIDICOLUOS

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Forza Azzurri,

Rome 18/11/2007 10:20:39

YOU ARE EXACTLY LIKE THE ENGLISH. YOU ARE THE SAME NATION

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise 18/11/2007 10:22:18

Forza Azzuri

I don't know what you are trying to prove. But you are embarrassing Italians everywhere. I thought Italians had class. Show some.

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Beergoggles,

London 18/11/2007 10:22:36

#372

Keep stirring mate. You may succeed. But I hopefully doubt it.

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Grimsby Hibee,

Heading back to the Dam 18/11/2007 10:23:26

# Forza, next time the Germans march into your country and stamp on your heads, dont come looking for favours here.

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Ally Ross,

18/11/2007 10:25:02

Forza - I will be laughing while you choke on your Grappa (well, thats the only thing you can do with that stuff) when France prove who is the best team in the world next summer and who should have won the world cup.

your time is running out!!

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Spats,

Edinburgh 18/11/2007 10:25:37

Pier

I am sure your posts are good reads. But I never bothered as they are just too long and not structured well enough.

Try putting in clear concise paragraphs and double spacing. Then they might just get read.

---------
Timothy Malloy - what a pompous tosser. I'm sure your Italian is grammatically perfect.

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise 18/11/2007 10:28:09

Spats

No need to insult. I was only giving him advice otherwise he will be posting in vain.

I wasn't insulting his english just saying long posts tend not to be read, that's all!

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Grimsby Hibee,

Heading back to the Dam 18/11/2007 10:29:16

# 377 The only grammatically correct phrase I know in Italian is Cedo, they use that quite a lot

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise 18/11/2007 10:30:39

Spats

My issue with Pier was not grammatical. It was on his presentation and layout. It was advice not criticism. Try it yourself sometime.

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walter,

18/11/2007 10:31:35

I spook to my son when he came home (he went to watch the game in the pub) about the game and he said "as you said about the darts, there is no point in scoring tons and ton pluses if you don't hit the doubles".
In a way he is right, if Scotland had put the ball in the back of the net when they had the chance and they had a few then no decision the ref made would have mattered.
Still we can all be proud of how the lads done and look forward to the world cup qualifiers.

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Forza Azzurri,

18/11/2007 10:32:29

Forza - I will be laughing while you choke on your Grappa (well, thats the only thing you can do with that stuff) when France prove who is the best team in the world next summer and who should have won the world cup
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yes, infact at the end of the game CANNAVARO LIFTED THE WORLD CUP. RIDICOLOUS.
IN 370 COMMENTS YOU WROTE THE WORST THINGS ABOUT ITALY AND THE ITALIANS, YOU ONLY HAVE TO AXCEPT THE LOSS BUT FOR THE BRITISH IS SO DIFFICULT.


I thought Italians had class. Show some
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WE HAVE TO SHOW THE CLASS? AND YOU? SO RIDICOLUS. I'M ENJOYNG SO MUCH.
WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO NEXT SUMMER? BEER AND TELEVISION, WHILE I'LL GO IN AUSTRIA AND SWITZERLAND.
BYE BYE LOOSERS

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walter,

18/11/2007 10:33:47

I did not spook my son when he came home , then again I may have but that should read spoke.

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funkymorro,

bassano 18/11/2007 10:35:56

I agree with Timothy.
I'm italian and "Forza Azzurri" is embarassing me.
Let's talk about sport!

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Laurna,

aberdeen, 18/11/2007 10:36:14

I dont understand why some of you are saying there is no way Italy could not have gone through last night, they were the weaker team, as all of my international (even italian) friends admitted! Scotland showed them to be a dirty team, without morals, but also without any special flare! You can blame the conditions but surely 'great' footballers can play up to their reputations come rain or shine. And for any of you that have the audacity to argue that the ref was not biased you should be ashamed of yourselves! The freekick within stoppage time is possibly the worst decision I have ever seen in professional or amateur football. I have no idea whether the ref was bribed or not, whether he was influenced by a gentle berulsconi nudge, but no self respecting football fan can tell me that that horrendous decision was a simple error. From all angles, it was a clear foul to Scotland and even if they had given an Italian throw and classed it as a fair upper body challenge it would have been an understandable decision.
Surely there will be some kind of investigation into this or at least some questioning whether this referees has the ability to work in such important matches.
The boys did us proud last night! They were the better team in spite of some moments of lack of composure and all I'm asking for is the officials to sit down and consider the refs peformance and if it is really good enough for such a high standard match.
We may be a small nation, but we know when we've been swindled!

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise 18/11/2007 10:36:24

382

Bye Bye Forza. Enjoy the summer next year and I hope you learn to win with grace someday.

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sydney fc and scotland fan,

sydney 18/11/2007 10:37:15

Some random thoughts...

Every footballing nation in the world bar one has a glorious failure or else a damp squib exit every 2 years or so...Scotland doesn't have a monopoly on this.

And the reffing equalled out over the match I reckon...dodgy calls all the way through.

It's just reassuring that we are clearly better at football than England at this moment in time.

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Forza Azzurri,

18/11/2007 10:39:42

CARO FUNKYMORRO, IO TI STAREI IMBARAZZANDO? E COSA HO SCRITTO DI COSI MALVAGIO? VATTI A RILEGGERE I MIEI POST, AMMESSO CHE TU SIA ITALIANO.
370 COMMENTI DI UINSULTI ALL'ITALIA E TROVI ANCHE IL CORAGGIO DI DIFENDERLI?
MA FAMMI IL PIACERE, CRETINO

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Forza Azzurri,

Rome 18/11/2007 10:41:03

FOR ALL THE SCOTTISH WHO WROTE THE WORST THINGS ABOUT MY NATION: BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA

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Forza Azzurri,

Rome 18/11/2007 10:41:50

ENGLAND ENGLAND ENGLAND ENGLAND ENGLAND ENGLAND
C'MON ENGLAND

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise 18/11/2007 10:44:26

No Luck Forza....you've got an imposter!

See ya all later I can't be bothered with all this juvenile stuff.

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Ally Ross,

18/11/2007 10:44:41

Forza - stop trying to live up to all my expectations. You'll do youself an injury.

i'll be looking forward to watching Croatia, Spain, Holland, Greece, Turkey and France next year. I do enjoy watching good football!

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Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 18/11/2007 10:45:36

#269.......Sounds like how the Brits behaved in Ireland for 700 years. Their behaviour then created the I.R.A.

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G...,

Scotland 18/11/2007 10:46:04

can't really moan about the ref too much - we benefitted from the two goals, they got a free kick at the corner flag.

Credit to McLeish.. he set the team up correctly..and this resulted in us having an open goal chance to win the game in the 83rd minute.

The italians impressed me - they defended well, and got stuck in..in conditions we had prayed for..a wet cold glasgow evening.. very sobering first 20 mins, when amid the pre match euphoria we seemed to forget we were playing against a top quality team.

Result aside, it was a cracking day..scotland was a good place to be..parties everywhere..a bit of belief about us again, hopefully there will be a few more days like that at the big tourney.

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Forza Azzurri,

Rome 18/11/2007 10:49:16

can't really moan about the ref too much - we benefitted from the two goals, they got a free kick at the corner flag.

Credit to McLeish.. he set the team up correctly..and this resulted in us having an open goal chance to win the game in the 83rd minute.

The italians impressed me - they defended well, and got stuck in..in conditions we had prayed for..a wet cold glasgow evening.. very sobering first 20 mins, when amid the pre match euphoria we seemed to forget we were playing against a top quality team.
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THE FIRST CLEVER POST FROM A CLEVER GUY.
OK, NOW WE ARE AGREE. GOOD LUCK TO YOU G...

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funkymorro,

bassano 18/11/2007 10:49:59

Forza.
A me piacciono i commenti tipo il n 342.
Voglio dire che non è necessario dare del ridicolo o del perdente a nessuno. La Scozia ha fatto la sua bellissima gara.
E se qualche loro post è un po' fazioso ed offensivo sii superiore. I veri scozzesi sono dei signori ed io li conosco.
Voglio dire... lascia stare cosa dicono adesso in un momento molto emotivo.
Dimostriamo piuttosto dei essere noi dei signori senza cadere a queste piccole provocazioni...

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HotOffThePress,

Leamington Spa 18/11/2007 10:52:53

I'm really proud of the way the team has played over this campaign (except the Georgia game which was frankly pathetic), but yet again we've covered ourselves in glorious failure. We seem to be quite comfortable with defeat as long as we go out fighting. I'd like us to be a little less comfortable with this. I've written a longer blog:
http://www.istadia.com/blog/robrobson/122

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Forza Azzurri,

Rome 18/11/2007 10:55:46

OK, I WILL BE SERIOUS FOR A MOMENT.
I WANT TO ASK YOU IF YOU REALLY THOUGHT WHAT YOU WROTE IN THIS 400 COMMENTS OR IT'S ONLY THE DELUSION FOR THE DEFEAT.
AND I WANT TO ASK YOU IF DI NATALE'S GOL WAS REGULAR AND BARRY FERGUSON'S ONE WAS OFF-SIDE.
THAN I'LL STOP

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Hibee in Italy,

near Florence 18/11/2007 11:00:25

I'm rolling on the floor laughing at the Italians asking Scots to learn the rules...what a cheeky ones you are!!! Italy is definitely the ONE and ONLY place on Earth (not only Europe, that would be enough) where THE ONLY RULE IS THE SYSTEMIC BREAKING OF RULES! How dare you blatant cheaters ask somebody to learn the rules you NEVER accept and respect?
Italy is the only country in the world where thieves and corruptors are elected in a Parliament, and are used to change there the Laws that otherwise will lead them to prison! Is the ONLY place on Earth where, instead of punishing the outlaws, they allow them to change the Laws in order to present as respectable men.
So please, before just talking of rules, DO START to respect and follow YOURS!

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Plonker,

18/11/2007 11:01:26

Four mistakes led to Scotland's defeat.

First, Kenny Millar should hav been on from the start. The Italians respect his pace and movement and he would have given them something to think about early on. Employing McFadden's skill and trickery in the last 25 minutes against a tiring defence may just have done it for us.

Second, the criminal doziness at their first goal.

Third, McFadden's miss. Would a fresher McFadden have put the chance away ?

Fourth, the referee's quite frankly incredible decision to give Italy that free kick. Worst I've ever seen (although we should have defended it better).

And this isn't even going into why the Italians had what seemed a perfectly good goal chopped off (hand ball ? - it certainly wasn't offside) and a hint of offside about Ferguson's goal (although I always thought there had to be daylight and there wasn't).

Th referee's display throughout the match was inconsistent and the Italians were more sinned against than sinned - until the last 8 or so minutes. Did anyone notice how the 50/50s all went in Italy's favour in that period ? Culminating in the strangest decision I have ever seen. We giggle when this sort of thing happens when the likes of Italy plays some other minor footballing entity. Not so funny when it happens to us.

Having said all that, three of the most crucial mistakes were ours and one the referee's. Ergo, we're mostly to blame for our own downfall. We could and possibly should have beaten the Italians - we had a purple patch in the last quarter of the game which had them hanging on by a thread. But we missed our chances. We may have been a bit unlucky but we have to learn what we can from our errors. They are the difference between success and failure.

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Forza Azzurri,

Rome 18/11/2007 11:01:31

Funkymorro, posso tollerare tutto, ma non che si lamentino dell'arbitraggio di ieri. Solo un cretino come mc leish può dire di essere stato derubato da Mejuto Gonzles, e purtroppo a lui se ne sono aggiunti altri 300. Solo questo, ma io non ho scritto nulla di offensivo come hanno fatto loro, ridicoli o perdenti non mi sembra un'accusa di eccezionale gravità.
Comunque sto godendo una cifra a vederli rosicare in questo modo.
Saluti, e perdonami per l'offesa di prima

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Backofthenet,

18/11/2007 11:05:36

#393:

Christ knows what the IRA and the "Brits" have to do with it.

Great effort by everyone yesterday and over the whole campaign. Let's hope we've earned ourselves an easier draw for the World Cup.

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Forza Azzurri,

Rome 18/11/2007 11:05:48

I'm rolling on the floor laughing at the Italians asking Scots to learn the rules...what a cheeky ones you are!!! Italy is definitely the ONE and ONLY place on Earth (not only Europe, that would be enough) where THE ONLY RULE IS THE SYSTEMIC BREAKING OF RULES! How dare you blatant cheaters ask somebody to learn the rules you NEVER accept and respect?
Italy is the only country in the world where thieves and corruptors are elected in a Parliament, and are used to change there the Laws that otherwise will lead them to prison! Is the ONLY place on Earth where, instead of punishing the outlaws, they allow them to change the Laws in order to present as respectable men.
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MAN, WHAT A CLASS.
BEFORE THE GAME YOU WERE SO FRIENDLY, NOW YOU ARE SO ANGRY. DON'T WORRY, I CALL IT THE LOOSERS FEVER.
BYE BYE FRIENDS, IN 400 COMMENTS, ONLY 3 WERE CLEVER. GOOD PERCENTUAL OF INTELLIGENT PEOPLE IN SCOTLAND.

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Hibee in Italy,

near Florence but born and lived 30 years in Rome 18/11/2007 11:08:07

Forza Azzurri, te lo dico in romanesco così lo capisci bene: se voi Campioni del Mondo avete bisogno di piglià per culo gli Scozzesi, vor dì che sete solo dei poveracci. CACATEVE IN MANO E PIATEVE A SCHIAFFI!

Translation for the Scots:
Dear Forza Azzurri, I'm going to tell you in a Rome slang so I'm sure you'll understand: if you World Champions need to tease Scotsmen, it means you are just poor men. So do crap on your hands and slap yourself!

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DanielDaniel,

18/11/2007 11:08:42

It looks like all the nutters are on this forum.
No report of clashes, friendly atmosphere all over Glasgow, hands shaken and pints drunk together. Whatever the result, life goes on.

But here "cheating Italians!", "sore losers cry-babies Scots!".

Internet is definitely the last opportunity for the REAL losers - both Scottish and Italian.