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Published Date: 15 February 2009
CONCERNS about Sir James Crosby's credibility as a government financial adviser were dismissed by the Chancellor almost four months before he was finally forced to quit the Financial Services Authority last week.
Scotland on Sunday can reveal that Alistair Darling insisted Crosby was "well qualified" for the job when first asked whether he was an unsuitable appointment as deputy chairman of the FSA, the Government's financial regulator.

The Chancellor gave his backing to Crosby, a close ally of Gordon Brown, in October, after Margo MacDonald, the independent MSP, suggested he should resign.

MacDonald called on him to quit in September, long before last week's damaging controversy that saw him leave the FSA. Crosby finally departed last week after it was revealed that in his previous job as an HBOS executive he had fired the whistleblower Paul Moore, who raised concerns about the way the bank was being run.

His resignation was embarrassing for the Prime Minister, who appointed him to the FSA and knighted him.

But in September, MacDonald questioned whether Crosby's behaviour as an HBOS executive made him the right person to head up an FSA investigation into the housing market.

MacDonald wrote to Darling and raised her concerns in September last year. She sent the letter after Crosby had been appointed by the Chancellor to investigate the mortgage market.

MacDonald pointed out that Crosby was once the HBOS executive with responsibility for HBOS's highly controversial mortgage business model.

In her letter, she wrote: "As was the practice in the American sub-prime market, HBOS borrowers accessed mortgages that were too big for them to service, a practice that departed from the traditional prudence governing mortgage lending, that was judged to be unsound, if not reckless, by the management of other banks that have subsequently avoided the trauma experienced by HBOS."

She added: "I am concerned that you should have chosen Sir James Crosby to investigate the housing market, adversely affected by the policy pursued by HBOS during his tenure as CEO. In the interests of transparency, to say nothing of the stability of the housing market during the present economic difficulties, should you not consider asking Sir James Crosby to tender his resignation from this investigation?"

Darling replied on October 22, telling her: "I believe Sir James is well qualified to offer advice here and I shall publish his recommendations in due course."

Yesterday MacDonald said: "I knew nothing about Paul Moore at the time I wrote to Alistair Darling. But my common sense told me that Sir James Crosby would lack credibility in a role reviewing the mortgage and housing market.

"Sir James's resignation, after being described as well qualified by the Chancellor, certainly doesn't say much for the Chancellor's judgment."

Last week, claims about Crosby's time at HBOS were also a factor in his quitting as deputy chairman of the FSA, a job he took after leaving the bank in 2006.

Crosby resigned after Moore, the former HBOS head of risk, made a written statement to MPs on the all-party Treasury Select Committee on Tuesday.

Moore alleged he was sacked as head of risk at HBOS in 2005 after warning that Sir James was leading the bank "to the precipice" and that expansion was "going too fast".

Crosby said Moore's original claims had been investigated independently at the time by KPMG and had "no substance".

Following Crosby's resignation, MacDonald has now written to Alex Salmond calling on him to order a judicial review into the work carried out by Crosby when he was at the FSA.

In her letter to the First Minister, she said: "Can I ask you to investigate the appropriate means of scrutinising the business and operations of the FSA under the deputy chairmanship of Sir James Crosby?"

The full article contains 632 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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webwise,

Scotland 14/02/2009 21:54:49
"His resignation was embarrassing for the Prime Minister, who appointed him to the FSA and knighted him."

Brown is now up to his neck in it. Any suggestions that he wasn't aware of Crosby's high risk approach to banking is laughable.

Brown was well aware of Crosby's attitudes, that's why Brown chose him for the important role of advising on the UK's troubled mortgage sector.

One of the men who was responsible for the decision's that led to the UK banking crisis was then asked to police that same sector.

brown is now playing his Macavity role and refusing to take any responsibility whatsoever, he will blame anyone and everyone for the UK's financial woes - just not himself.

No more Broon - he's bust !!
2

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14/02/2009 22:52:28
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Observer,,

Glasgow 15/02/2009 00:13:25
2 Rufus catch a grip.

You are so parochial and narrow-minded in your opinions. It's a big world. Look larger.
4

It's me!,

15/02/2009 00:16:33
Rufus. You are a sad, sad person.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 15/02/2009 00:16:51
Rufus we have to look at the issue of Crosby and indeed Moreno's placement and there are serious questions to be asked about both.
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Arthur G,

Glasgow 15/02/2009 00:40:10
#2 Aye very good, rather than concentrate on the duplicitous behaviour of of our, vain, arrogant PM who listens to no-one but himself and 'fiddles' while Britain goes down the toilet, you return to your sigulary obssesive habit of SNP bashing. Pathetic!
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15/02/2009 00:49:39
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Roger, Roger. Roger, . . .,

15/02/2009 00:57:08
Weird Al is on BBC4
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15/02/2009 01:00:32
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Rasco,

15/02/2009 01:01:59
Rufus. I have said before you are a very sick person nothing has made me change my mind.
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Roger, Roger. Roger, . . .,

15/02/2009 01:19:46
There are now at least three HBOS "whistleblowers".

What are the odds on all three "doing a Dr Kelly" or featuring in a polis snuff movie on the London Tube?

Rufarrse must be researching the toilet stuff he posts on blogs that adversely criticise his employers.

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15/02/2009 01:39:15
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Embra Don,

15/02/2009 03:25:53
The ruse to " save HBoS " by merging it with LTSB now looks likely to result in the nationalisation of a single anticompetitive mega-banking basket case. Do Brown, Darling and Mandy still say there was no alternative? What a shambles!
14

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15/02/2009 06:13:44
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Gillie,

Edinburgh 15/02/2009 06:43:10
Rougharse T and all unionista , have you read the article's in the Herald and The Times about the duplicity of succesive Labour and Tory goverments changing boundary's and lying to the public over North sea oil, and Scotland contribution to the national purse, Denis Healy admitting that without Scottish oil England would have been bankrupt. It is time for all you uncle sam's to take a reality check. The time has come to give it back.
16

Jimmy Le Pie,

15/02/2009 07:49:22
Head in the sand stuff from the Sleaze Party.

Your time is up!!!
17

Finnzz,

15/02/2009 08:32:57
Like all the best laid plans of the incompetant, this one will lead to the downfall of its architect - Brown.
His insistance that Lloyds was the only game in town for the rescue of HBOS has lost him another million potential voters. No wonder Labour is going down the tubes.
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Rodster,

Glasgow 15/02/2009 08:45:41
Well according to Sky News today the whistleblower has concrete proof that the denying ,lying McAvity Broon knew full well all about HBOS risk report.
This allied to the north sea Oil fiasco has surely got to be enough to make even the die hard Labour fodder see the error of their ways?
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Tweedmouth,

Coldstream 15/02/2009 08:50:10
We were led into the 'English' war that this marine died in by Tony Blair - Scot's born and educated, paid for by Scottish Chancellor - Gordon of the Kircaldy Manse - supported by a galaxy of Scots ministers at Westminster. Iraq was more a Scottish-led war than anything else. As for Scots dying in foreign wars - don't forget that Scottish mercenaries butchered their way across the continent for the best part of 300 years. You are a racist bigot of the worst kind.
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Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 15/02/2009 08:52:15
The banker's were not banking qualified, Brown & Darling have no banking qualifications, there is not a bat's chance of us getting out of this mess until we have someone in charge who can at least understand the problem.
It's like getting a painter in to advise you on what's gone wrong with your central heating, which was put in by a joiner.
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Phil C,

15/02/2009 09:06:25
And so Labour's dishonest, arrogant and incompetent handling of our economy becomes ever more apparent. Anyone still going to vote for these dimwit nincompoops?
22

brownlie,

15/02/2009 09:18:31
2 Rufus,

I am surprised (?) to see that you are following AM2's lead in selecting an isolated, unrelated, comment and trying to pass it off as being typical of SNPs supporters.

You will be aware that, on his site, AM2 carefully selects quotes of this nature to use as a supposed measure of intolerance on behalf of nationalists.

The fact is that there is no proof that the statements concerned were made by nationalists at all.

They could well have been planted, in true labour style, to give the impression of nationalist intolerance.

That being the case it is a waste of time parading them as such and I'm surprised that someone of your intelligence would follow in his fruitless footsteps.
23

puskas,

East kilbride 15/02/2009 09:23:45
Gordon Brown = Ian Paisley.. North British and save the Union ?

You know with Brown's history it could be argued that there is a semblance of truth in this..
24

Wardog™,

15/02/2009 09:24:50

25. AM2's blog site becomes more and more spiteful by the day, focusing on his narrow ulster definition of britishness, he ploughs a field of obscenities, grievance and petty chip on the shoulder spats.

A sad end to a bigoted beginning
25

Wardog™,

15/02/2009 09:26:39


I wonder why no media outlet has yet compared Northern Irish Unionism to Scottish Unionism, there really is a whole catalogue of similarities in their fundamentalism, grievance based culture, myosgnistic outlook, selective history and jingoistic claptrap.

A plague on both their houses
26

puskas,

East kilbride 15/02/2009 09:27:57
No25 brownlie.

They are all nobodies. Closer to SOS than much else..

Breathing space should be denied.
27

puskas,

East kilbride 15/02/2009 09:30:31
No28 Wardog ,

You are a clever chappy.
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A Crofter,

Western Isles 15/02/2009 09:40:07
There's little chance of sorting out the financial sector whilst so many MPs and MSPs are themselves clapped-out, incompetent economists, business experts and, of course, lawyers.

Is it any wonder they all scratch each others' Trumpholes?
29

LEAL,

15/02/2009 09:46:27
Cyclopse is a nincompoop.Time for him to resign.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 15/02/2009 09:53:56
From today’s Sunday Herald


“A paper written in 1975 by Sir David Walker, the then assistant secretary at the Treasury, stated that "progress toward devolution should be delayed for as long as possible consistently with honouring the government commitment to move down the devolution road and containing the SNP lobby in parliament".


From The Times 10/02/2009
“The chorus of scepticism that greeted Alistair Darling's appointment of Sir David Walker, the City grandee, to lead a government review into banks' corporate governance yesterday was deafening.
Not least after it emerged that Sir David will remain a senior adviser to Morgan Stanley. Apart from a three-year period when he chaired the London Investment Bankers' Association, Sir David worked at Morgan Stanley between 1994 and 2006, and retired as chairman of the bank's European arm.”


Curious is in not that neither of these linked stories appear in today’s SoS?

Perhaps Sir David will again recommend re-drawing Scotland’s boundaries to allow some pecuniary advantage to fall upon Westminster?
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15/02/2009 10:06:48
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Rufus-T-Firefly,

15/02/2009 10:11:40
25 brownlie,15/02/2009 09:18:31
2 Rufus,
The fact is that there is no proof that the statements concerned were made by nationalists at all.
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Good morning Brownlie

I think you are being a bit disingenuous here.

You know as well as I do that Ploughman is a staunch Nat and this particular post is totally consistent with the rest of his offerings.
33

Wardog™,

15/02/2009 10:17:12

35. Why don't you highlight some of the move obnoxious posts made by 'unionists' on these pages, are you afraid to look into the mirror?

34

Observer,,

Glasgow 15/02/2009 10:19:27
35 Rufus why don't you address the issues contained in the article for once ?
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Rufus-T-Firefly,

15/02/2009 10:19:54
#36

I though that was your job Waldo?
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15/02/2009 10:20:55
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15/02/2009 10:21:03
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Rufus-T-Firefly,

15/02/2009 10:23:53
37 Observer,,Glasgow 15/02/2009 10:19:27
35 Rufus why don't you address the issues contained in the article for once ?
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Like you do?

Whats the latest on Gaza?

You havent hogged a totally unrelated post for a while with your thoughts on the situation in Palestine.

You are in no position to tell me my post is unrelated to the topic.
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Rufus-T-Firefly,

15/02/2009 10:24:55
37 Observer,,Glasgow 15/02/2009 10:19:27
35 Rufus why don't you address the issues contained in the article for once ?
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AND, why do you not tell Traquir the same thing?
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Rufus-T-Firefly,

15/02/2009 10:33:52
43 ploughmans lunch,15/02/2009 10:25:59
Just for you rufus.
http://tinyurl.com/bfvfhj
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Yes it sums things up.

Confirmation if ever it was needed.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 15/02/2009 10:36:21
41 You are reaching there Rufus. I posted on Gaza on un-related threads because the paper disallowed comment on the articles. Censorship. You are being invited to comment on this story and yet you fail to do so.

Traquir's post invites attention to a very interesting article in the Times. Have you read it ? It shows the extent to which the British establishment are prepared to go to suffocate Scottish independence. Any thoughts on that Rufus ?
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karin.m,

15/02/2009 10:36:58
a telling quote from the scotsman yesterday......

Rufus-T-Firefly,
14/02/2009 00:30:19

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I love my country so much that I do not want it taken to the



financial abyss



by a misplaced minority Nationalist movement.

Why should I idly stand by and people like you ruin the country I love?


but rufus says its allright if gordon does it.....
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15/02/2009 10:38:04
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Wardog™,

15/02/2009 10:44:58



Your so silly rufus, how did you end up working in a call centre?


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15/02/2009 10:52:12
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Rufus-T-Firefly,

15/02/2009 10:52:21
49 Wardog™,15/02/2009 10:44:58
Your so silly rufus, how did you end up working in a call centre?
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Poor Waldo. He is obsessed with jobs in Call Centres.

Whats the problem Waldo?

Did you apply for a job in one and get rejected?

You must be used to rejection by now.

You really need to learn not to take it so hard as you almost certainly have a lot of rejection ahead of you.

HAHA

Poor Waldo...... obsessed with Call Centres
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Cadgers,

Perth 15/02/2009 11:11:46
Darling doesn't show bad judgement, just a slavish yes to anything broonie says. Darling is cracking.
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Richard,

West Lothian 15/02/2009 11:12:07
Am I right in thinking Rufuss is Chairman Gordon?

It would explain a lot.
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karin.m,

15/02/2009 11:16:22
this might be interesting to some people


http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200809/cmselect/cmliaisn/uc257_i/uc25702.htm

not rufus but because he doesnt think that politicians actually do anything.
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15/02/2009 11:20:31
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Wardog™,

15/02/2009 11:26:05

51. Wow, that wee questions really seems to have bothered you, that's some response..... I'm touched.....

Someone on here was posting that you were actually a Labour Researcher residing in Teeside, this isn't true surely?

Although it explains your strange brand of unionism

How does it feel to be on the losing side of the independence debate, were your forebears ranting against Indian, Australian, Canadian and American independence too?

Silly rufus



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Rufus-T-Firefly,

15/02/2009 11:34:27
57 Wardog™,15/02/2009 11:26:05
Someone on here was posting that you were actually a Labour Researcher residing in Teeside, this isn't true surely?
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Oh No!

My cover is blown.

Who found me out?
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Rufus-T-Firefly,

15/02/2009 11:35:10
It is a lovely day down here in Teeside today.

What is it like up in Scotland?
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Edward Cullen Skink,

15/02/2009 11:35:41
57. Wardog

it is true. Rufus resides and posts from Teeside. WHy he pretends otherwise is rather sad, much like the obsessive himself.

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Edward Cullen Skink,

15/02/2009 11:37:12
59. "It is a lovely day down here in Teeside today"

Perfect day to pop over to the Metro centre then - you could buy

1 Plasma Car
2 Blue Ray Guns
3 Laplanders
and loads and loads of clothes
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15/02/2009 11:44:43
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Observer,,

Glasgow 15/02/2009 11:46:04
61 That's right Rufus thinks that - 2.5% is a bargain. Hey Rufus I've got some stuff on e-bay will you buy it from me ? I'm asking for £100, but you'll give me £150 with your nose for a bargain:-)
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fegan,

N/Ireland 15/02/2009 11:51:42
KPMG found"no substance" to Mr Moors Claims. I think KPMG now need looking at as what had been claimed by Mr Moor has happened. Old saying the proof of the pudding is in the eating.
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Edward Cullen Skink,

15/02/2009 11:52:23
62. Traquir

spot on. AM2 and Rufus both engage in highly selective "quotation" of posts that are most likely authored by themselves, as if this proves anything.

You will notice Am2/Rufus never quote the many unseemly, racist and hateful posts from Unionists which litter this site - comments negative about Scotland, or racist in disgusting manner such as sm753's recent posts which caused much consternation. Am2 does not quote posts sch as those from ScottishToryBoy who posted links to concentration camp mass graves in reference to the SNP...

Am2 is a fundamentalist extremist Unionist - he has posted that he would prefer Scotland to be poorer rather than have independence even if it involved no negative to the rest of the UK.

During his bizarre pantomime of "announcing" his retirement he denied the car advert that caused it all was his. He later posted that he had the car crushed - how could he have a car that was nothing to do with him crushed? Surely a fabulating, Walter Mitty type liar.

Similalry Am2 has posted on his blog about "intimidation" directed at someone who is nothing to do with him, in Hamilton. While i condemn any such nonsense, you have to ask how AM2 could know that someone with whom he has no connection at all was being intimidated? Just more extremist invention, lies, fabrication and agitation from an exposed liar.
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Edward Cullen Skink,

15/02/2009 11:55:36
46. Rufus on the sauce again, getting all steamed up and emotional "I love my country so much that I do not want it taken to the financial abyss "

Perhaps Rufus should take a look at the Downing Street Downturn and Crash Gordon's record deficit, unemployment rates and massive recession before he starts snivelling into his union-jack hanky again
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 15/02/2009 11:57:09
It is possible to be rehabilitated after a period of being a Labour Party researcher.

Although Alf Young never quite succeeded in throwing off the errors of his past life and continues to this day to relapse into his old ways, he could always look towards Alex Neil for inspiration.

Now that Mr Neil has been appointed as a Scottish Government Minister, it just shows what hard work and a determination to succeed can do for those who were previously misguided.

Mind you looking at the Rufus attempts at research so far, e.g, posting that Westminster revenues from the North Sea would total £2 billion in 2009, (followed curiously by load imbecilic comments of HA HA HA) and that HSBC being the “biggest” bank in the world in 2007, means that they are still in that position in 2009 probably makes him ideally suited to the position of Labour Party researcher.

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15/02/2009 12:05:43
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15/02/2009 12:10:15
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Pip10,

Spooky and accurate so far.... but hopefully not e 15/02/2009 12:10:37
Owners of capital will stimulate the working class to buy more
and more of expensive goods, houses and technology, pushing
them to take more and more expensive credits, until their debt
becomes unbearable. The unpaid debt will lead to bankruptcy of
banks, which will have to be nationalised, and the State will
have to take the road which will eventually lead to communism"


Who said that and when?

- perhaps Vince Cable Jan 2008?




in fact........








Karl Marx, Das Kapital, 1867

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Martyk,

15/02/2009 12:12:17
I hope it is all some sort of dastardly plot. I really do. The alternative is that the Labour Gov are really doing their best. And this is it.
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Edward Cullen Skink,

15/02/2009 12:13:42
71 "Owners of capital will stimulate the working class to buy more
and more of expensive goods, houses and technology, pushing
them to take more and more expensive credits, until their debt
becomes unbearable"

Gosh, I think Wufus has fallen for this hook, line and plasman car
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brownlie,

15/02/2009 12:21:56
Come on, guys, lay off my friend Rufus - he is only young and has hitched his wagon to a falling star. I have high hopes that, in time, he'll outgrow AM2 and sm753.

Any, off to watch some Hib's rejects trying to play football.
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KWC,

Edinburgh 15/02/2009 12:28:49
As Margo said "common sense" told her that this guy was unsuitable. Darling and Brown couldn't see it -- speaks volumes.

Well done Margo. This is one reason why independent M(S)Ps are a good idea. They are not blinded by party lines.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 15/02/2009 12:39:16
#76

No doubt they will be dancing in the streets of Raith at that prospect.

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Rodster,

Glasgow 15/02/2009 14:39:40
If this was a true democracy and we had proper law and order Brown and a few others, would tonight be in custody .
If we were like the French there would be massive riots till Brown and the other incompetent thieves and liars had been deposed.
if it was South America the firing squad would have already done the necessary.
Instead we have to wait till the most incompetent Quisling ,low life traitor in Scotland's history lets the British constitution take its slow progress for us to rid ourselves of one of the most despicable unlikeable politicians of all time.
When I watch discovery and See Hitler or Stalin I do not get as angry or upset as seeing Brown on screen
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Billiam Wallace,

15/02/2009 14:55:16
Apologies for posting this again but I feel it shows what we have endured under Bliar/Broon. Watch this:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chqi8m4CEEY

and if you listen to the speech and don't feel that much of what he says applies to the present government and the people of Britain, then I think you are delusional. I think it follows on nicely from Rodster's post at #80.

It's time Broon was carted of to the funny farm and Dufus, Smee and AM2 went too.

To see the spirit of the future independent Scotland, watch this:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4njFOnXeslI&feature=related

Not you Roofy, it will make you greet ya big girl's blouse.


Saor Alba
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Rufus-T-Firefly,

15/02/2009 15:27:23
63 Observer,,Glasgow 15/02/2009 11:46:04
61 That's right Rufus thinks that - 2.5% is a bargain. Hey Rufus I've got some stuff on e-bay will you buy it from me ? I'm asking for £100, but you'll give me £150 with your nose for a bargain:-)
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I am just back from the cinema Observer.

I took the kids to see a film that was about a hotel that I think you must have stayed in a few times.
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Rufus-T-Firefly,

15/02/2009 15:30:06
68 bully wee alba,Edinburgh 15/02/2009 11:57:09
Mind you looking at the Rufus attempts at research so far, e.g, posting that Westminster revenues from the North Sea would total £2 billion in 2009, (followed curiously by load imbecilic comments of HA HA HA) and that HSBC being the “biggest” bank in the world in 2007, means that they are still in that position in 2009 probably makes him ideally suited to the position of Labour Party researcher.
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Where is this Gaelic spelling error you keep referring to Bully Boy?

Can you not reproduce it because it never existed?

I guess you are a bit of a liar Bully Boy eh?
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Rufus-T-Firefly,

15/02/2009 15:31:10
Remember this one Bully Boy???

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60 bully wee alba,Edinburgh 27/11/2008 09:36:02
Rufus gives us his insight into the world of football:-
“What happened to Celtic last night?
What an embarrassment.
1 point out of 54.
Dear oh Dear.”
He appears to know as much about football as he does about Scottish politics.
1 point out of 54?
In the Champions League Celtic have two points out of a possible 15.
I guess figures just aint Rufus’s thing.
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There you go Bully Boy. You showed yourself up to be the chump you are.

If you are going to correct someone then you really should make sure you are correct.

But not you, no.

You made a total fool of yourself once again.

Celtic have of course only ever gained 1 point out of 54 potential points in Champions League Away Games.

A commonly known statistic (by everyone apart from the chump that is Bully Boy).

Getting my original post deleted was a good move as it helped cover up the evidence of your ineptitude.

Unfortunately for you however your ineptitude still let you down as one of your posts had my original post pasted in it.

Nice try Bully but no cigar.
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 sm753,

15/02/2009 15:31:30
66

"comments negative about Scotland, or racist in disgusting manner such as sm753's recent posts which caused much consternation. "

Great. Which ones were those, so I can do it again?

Was it the ones in Klingon or Elvish?
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 sm753,

15/02/2009 15:32:29
70

"this is all Alex Salmond's fault and of course if Scotland had been independent it would have of course inevitably been
far worse... ...no matter how well
Scotland does it could never do better without
being in a Union with England, and no matter how
bad Britain is doing an independent Scotland would
always do worse. "

Well done Tracky, you're getting with the program at last.
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Edward Cullen Skink,

15/02/2009 15:33:20
84. Wufus says "I am just back from the cinema Observer."

did you drive over there in your plasma car?

Why go to the cinema when you just bought yourself 3 Blueray players and 4 lap-tops?

My what a sad, fabulating Walter Mitty character
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Rufus-T-Firefly,

15/02/2009 15:34:07
62 Traquir , Alba,15/02/2009 11:44:43
I wonder why Ruffy's post #2 was censored ?
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Yes Tracky, I wonder why it was removed.

Even down here in Teeside I can see the censorship has your fingerprints all over it.
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Edward Cullen Skink,

15/02/2009 15:35:54
91. Wufus "I wonder why Ruffy's post #2 was censored ?"

Probably because it contained the usual Wufus racist or abusive guff.

Did he buy 3 lap-tops so he could do 3 consecutive post mentalism like at 84,85,86?


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Rufus-T-Firefly,

15/02/2009 15:35:55
90 Edward Cullen Skink,15/02/2009 15:33:20

Oh dear I have had a savaging from Edwin Cullen Ayrshire Scot Skink.

The Scotsman Forum's very own Julian Clary.

Dear oh Dear.

How will I cope?

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Edward Cullen Skink,

15/02/2009 15:37:28
93 Rufus muses "How will I cope?"

probably by sublimating your inadequacy into another fantasy shopping spree?

1 plasma car
2 blue rays
3 lap tops

and loads and loads of people laughing...
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Edward Cullen Skink,

15/02/2009 15:40:01
95. Now now Wufus, it was you who bought "loads and loads of clothes"
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ecosseman,

FACTS NOT PROPAGANDA 15/02/2009 15:42:15
LABOUR ARE FINISHED,THEY REALLY ARE.
NO MATTER WHAT THEY TRY AND DO,IT TURNS TO DUST.

BOOT THEM OUT NOW!

ROLL ON THE ELECTION!
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Edward Cullen Skink,

15/02/2009 15:45:22
97. Wufus

do calm down Wufus. The constant strain of humiliating yourself day and night on here seems to have caused you some sort of breach with reality. Your latest output appears to be just a random list of names. While it is very smiliar in length and syntax to your achingly humiliating and silly Walter Mitty shopping list, its does not actually pass as communication.

Chin up old sausage.

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Edward Cullen Skink,

15/02/2009 16:03:51
100. Wufus

once again your latest missive just seems to be a random list with some distasteful elements tacked on, no doubt the product of your habit to project your own personal issues.

That you have become a laughing stock on here, with your fantasy supermarket sweeps, is regrettable. That you chose to respond to the cruel vicissitudes of being mocked by all and sundry with barely comprehensible list making is a little sad.

Through patient contemplation, I think i have unearthed the cause of what appears to be confusion, anxiety and despair on your part, which manifests itself in unintelligible list making and posting of no consequence to anyone.

You were so humiliated by your recent plasma car/ blue ray shopping post that the shame has caused some sort of collapse of your already painfully fragile personality. You now seek to cover this by babbling incomprehensible lists and generally appearing to have the IQ of a radish.

Do keep giving us these laughs, Wufus, old sausage!

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Edward Cullen Skink,

15/02/2009 16:09:52
Psychology Today's Diagnosis Dictionary: Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder15 Apr 2005 ... Obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) is a potentially disabling ... Mentally repeating phrases, checking or list making are also common symptoms of the condition. ...


I cast no aspersions, but what with Ruffy's shopping and name lists,.,,,
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Edward Cullen Skink,

15/02/2009 16:21:31
103.
... Mentally repeating phrases, checking or list making are also common. ...
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Edward Cullen Skink,

15/02/2009 16:25:47
103. Wufus

Firstly, no one cares. It is only a website.

You do however appear mpore than usually work up, confused and bewildered.

I can only suggest that the constant feeling that most people on here are laughing at you has caused your mind to become even more sordid and fragmented that it was when you made your hilarious shopping list post.

Your list is concise and well structured, but would only pass amongst mental health professionals as a pointless cry for attention containing as it does no sense or communicative effect.

Chin up old bean.



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Rufus-T-Firefly,

15/02/2009 16:29:43
Nevsky where are you.......................

It looks like Ireland is finished.

From todays Sunday Times.

"FEARS are mounting that Ireland could default on its soaring national debt pile, amid continuing worries about its troubled banking sector.

The cost of buying insurance against Irish government bonds rose to record highs on Friday, having almost tripled in a week. Debt-market investors now rank Ireland as the most troubled economy in Europe."

Did you read the Nevsky?

The "most troubled economy in Europe."

Just shows how much rot you talk.
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Edward Cullen Skink,

15/02/2009 16:32:36
107. Clearly the constant, low level tension caused by being laughed at has rendered Rufus's grasp of external phenomenom a tad hazey. That he thinks the state of another economy in any way lessens the Downing Street Downturn and Crash Gordon's recession, spiralling unemployment and record deficit just shows the rather flimsy nature of London labour spin.

Do try and pull yourself together Rufus and make a coherent point.
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Rufus-T-Firefly,

15/02/2009 16:33:12
104 Edward Cullen Skink,15/02/2009 16:21:31
103.
... Mentally repeating phrases, checking or list making are also common. ...
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61 Edward Cullen Skink,15/02/2009 11:37:12
1 Plasma Car
2 Blue Ray Guns
3 Laplanders
and loads and loads of clothes
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HAHA what an idiot.

Ayrshire Scot the List Maker.
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Edward Cullen Skink,

15/02/2009 16:34:00
107. Wufus

most troubled economy in Europe."

Did you read the Nevsky?

The "most troubled economy in Europe."

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repeating phrases, checking or list making are also common symptoms of the condition
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Edward Cullen Skink,

15/02/2009 16:37:00
109. Rufus

One is immediately struck by the profound sense of despair and humiliation in your post. Fascinating how your senses seem to have disintegrated when faced with the dark truth of your own fantasy shopping spree post.

Your are of course quoting your own shopping list, which i was ridiculing.

I suggest, for what little remains of your credibility, that you stop scampering amuck with these silly compulsive shopping/ names lists. The hilarity is all too much!
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tartangladbach,

edinburgh 15/02/2009 16:40:05
i wonder who was the loyal toilet cleaner in the berlin bunker at the end of the 2nd world war? i suppose rufus is the modern equivalent in the labour party! a i wll enjoy watching the downfall of brown and his troopers!
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Rufus-T-Firefly,

15/02/2009 16:41:42
There could be one hundred billion Earth-like planets in our galaxy, a US conference has heard.

Dr Alan Boss of the Carnegie Institution of Science said many of these worlds could be inhabited by simple lifeforms.

There you go Aberdeenshire Skink, you are not alone.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7891132.stm
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Edward Cullen Skink,

15/02/2009 16:45:05
113. Did you look that up on one of your 3 lap tops you bought because of the VAT cut, Wufus?

Your rather feeble and disoriented cyber babbling on here is becoming almost painfully amusing.

Do try and pull yourself together old sausage
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Edward Cullen Skink,

15/02/2009 16:47:42
115. And still no one cares, Wufus - other than a slightly creepy feeling of watching someone unravelling before us in mindless and obsessive repetition

The fact that you choose to play out your inner obsessional pantomime on here is absolutely hilarious!

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Edward Cullen Skink,

15/02/2009 16:51:46
115. "In response to their obsessions, most people with OCD resort to repetitive behaviors called compulsions. Coomon among these is repeating...."
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Sanny,

15/02/2009 17:09:54
My fellow posters please desist from baiting the cretin that posts under the pen-name of Rufus. I have long concluded that this person lacks the intellect to understand your jibes or realise what an ass they make of themselves with these hysterical attacks on Nationalists in general and the SNP in particular.

I think (s)he is probably vain enough to believe they are in serious debate and scoring good debating points whilst other readers and posters are in paroxysms of hysterical laughter! Stop I say! It is cruel and bring no credit on you to continue to encourage this fool to display his poor intellect in public.

EVEN THOUGH S(HE) IS A PRATT!!!

In any case it breaks up the flow of the debate.

Now lets get back on subject.
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Edward Cullen Skink,

15/02/2009 17:22:20
121. Sanny

spoil sport. But it was quite funny for a while
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Sanny,

15/02/2009 17:35:16
39 Traquir , Alba,15/02/2009 10:20:55

Traquir I had read some of the information to which you have now drawn attention. In truth I couldn’t read it all in a single sitting, the rise in my BP meant I could only read it in small bites.

It exposes the total disregard that Westminster and Whitehall have for Scotland. We are seen solely as the fatted calf to be slaughtered to feed the worthless cretins in the South East of England. If it were not for our abundant resources we would have been abandoned long since and thrown on the scrap heap. Where oil wealth is concerned I find strange similarities between Scotland and the Niger Delta. The Niger Delta being a Oil rich area which is robbed by a central government that give nothing but grief to the people of the Delta.

These papers should be compulsory reading for all Scots in order to qualify for a vote.
We must obtain our Independence and right these wrongs against our country. This said of late I fear that we may need to seek a solution through the same procedure as the Irish – we may need to fight for our rights. I cannot see these crooks in the English government respecting the ballot box. We will have more Glenrothes I’m sure – that is the purpose of postal voting.
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brownlie,

15/02/2009 17:49:34
100 Rufus,

Rufus, old fruit, as you're definitely wrong with one of these names you may well be wrong with the rest. Not that it matters enough to keep repeating them, anyway!
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 15/02/2009 18:01:17
#86 Rufus

I would have no reason to have any of your posts removed.
On the contrary, I believe that, your posts and those of your rather more odious chum smee should all be retained for posterity, and used in evidence against you and your ilk when next there is an election.
Your posts should be retained for their amusement value if nothing else.
Your illiteracy, innumeracy and general lack of knowledge of what is happening around you is the cause of at least the occasional wry smile, and of no more importance than that.

Rufus “loads of money”
“I see the pound is pummelling the Euro again.

Well done Gordon Brown.”

Euros to 1 GB)
2008-08-28 Thursday, August 28 2008 1.24372 EUR
2009-02-12 Thursday, February 12 2009 1.10742 EUR



“Pummelling” indeed.

Your understanding of the English language appears to be on par with your understanding of Gaelic.

Innumerate and illiterate.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 15/02/2009 18:11:19
Goodness me Rufus you are not very popular today. How was the ''Hotel for dogs'' then ? I take it your kids are quite young. I don't particularly miss that kind of family entertainment movie that you only ever watch if you've got young kids, they were boring. I like a movie with a bit of blood and guts, it's a bit like posting on here :)
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 15/02/2009 18:18:06
#130 Observer.

I wonder if Rufus took the weans to the movies in his plasma car.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 15/02/2009 18:25:55
Mea culpa and a thousand apologies....
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 15/02/2009 18:38:28
The ancient Britainer chorus.

Scenario: Captain Broon in the lifeboat. Albert Ross is his crew. (Euphemism)


Voters, voters everywhere and all our boards did shrink.
Voters, voters everywhere nor any sop to jink.

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Anonym,

15/02/2009 18:47:55
Firstly, it's of no relevance whatsoever to an argument wether it be made by somebody with one moniker or several. We might as well all be called Anonym.

Yet we see posters accusing others of having multiple id's, as if that proves anything. (It doesn't, because no matter how sad an individual may be, the argument they present can only reasonably be assesed on it's own merits. If you are reduced to an attack on the poster's credibility, then that implies you are unable to address the actual argument itself.)

Similarly, accusations of Trolling... or feeding the troll... are a waste of time, adding nothing to the debate.

Likewise, the claim that any particular post is a 'typical' response from whatever political persuasion... is another non-argument, which merely gets in the way of good quality debate.

Here is my contribution: OI! BADGER! NO!
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Sanny,

15/02/2009 18:48:24
Traquir , Alba,15/02/2009

You’re at it again Traquir! It is cruel to mock the afflicted. Leave Rufus alone, you only encourage him or her as the case may be - perhaps neither??

I am much heartened to read that the youngsters are waking to the true political reality. As a 75 year old I would seem to qualify for that demographic group that need to be convinced. Perhaps many of my generation have just failed to move on from supporting that once Great Socialist Party that shares its name with today’s [New] Labour Party.

In 1950 when I first became politically aware “Home Rule” for Scotland was a principle policy of the [Old] Labour Party. I think it was in 1955 that the Welshman Kinnock dropped Home Rule along with many, if not all, of the principles of Socialism.

We need to open the eyes of my generation to see the Party of the Working man has been suborned and has transmogrified into this obscene parody known as New Labour. Then perhaps they may again see the sense of an Independent Scotland.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 15/02/2009 18:56:38
Perücke Bankbeamters, the lot of the Labour cabal.

Rev Spooner got the translation right.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 15/02/2009 19:01:54
#133 Traquair

Tha mi duilich.

I will refrain in future from taking candy from that particular child.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 15/02/2009 19:06:16
137, Anonym.

I do not post from a static IP address. When I post on any startup and login my IP address can be different.

So, for Groucho to make the list of user names attributed to Cullen Skink (ad nauseam) showns only one of 2 things,

either Groucho has access to the login details of all these user names or he is just surmising and talking excretum tauri.
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Edward Cullen Skink,

15/02/2009 19:10:05
142. Jock

I am sad to report that Rufus's list, much repeated by the compulsive sad sack, is complete nonsense. Although, given he used to post as english voice, stirling sentinel etc etc i don't know why he gets so rattled and agitated - its only a website. I fear the sad loner has invested what little remains of his self esteem into posting drivel on here 24/7
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 15/02/2009 19:13:55
http://www.whichisp.com/myip.php

According to this I am in England but I'm not.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 15/02/2009 19:20:53
144, Traquir, I just find Groucho to be a sort of matinee warm-up act. Strictly U certificate stuff.

145, Edward Cullen Skink, apologies for missing out on the Edward in my previous post.

Thing that gets me is that using different user names on here makes no difference.

Same old just gets the same old back.
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Alasdair mac Alasdair Mór Mac an Righ,,

15/02/2009 19:41:15
Well how enjoyable to read all the comments laughing and showing pity on pathetic wee Wufas.

I am not sure about the psychological profile. I think he suffers from Acute Unionist Phuck-Witt-itus coupled with Spineless Westminster Dependency Syndrome.

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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 15/02/2009 19:50:47
Thank you for the link@148, Quisling Gogs.
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Alasdair mac Alasdair Mór Mac an Righ,,

15/02/2009 19:52:24
The last comment was posted from my new mobile bluray softtop plasma car with in laptops.

Did you guys not know how many great price reductions are available due to the reduction in VAT.

I would post a list but that would be stupid.
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Edward Cullen Skink,

15/02/2009 19:53:17
151 LOL
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Alasdair mac Alasdair Mór Mac an Righ,,

15/02/2009 20:09:37
#146, Jock.

Your ISP owns large IP number ranges. When the utilities trace your IP address they identify the ISP's gateway to the Internet. That is why it says you are in England.

You cannot hide your IP address from your ISP but you can from everybody else. You can however encrypt your connection that passes through your ISP to a Proxy server that then gives you a new temp IP address that the internet see. There is always a trail left but it requires effort to follow.
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Gussie Fink-Nottle,

15/02/2009 20:56:37
I suspect poor Rufus/Lia/Kimba is in reality an 18 stone, 53 year old unemployed taxi driver from Durham, who alternates his time online posting witty bon mots here and indulging in frantic hand pump action at www.hotandhirsute.com spoffing the lowfat milky issue of his micro manstump all over his already crusty keyboard. He smells fishy. I wonder if his solicitor is a resident of Newton Road day care centre?
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Observer,,

Glasgow 15/02/2009 20:56:55
154 Poor Sam the bam is under the illusion that he personally got the Herald site closed down. That's why he stalks about here issuing proclamations about his supposed powers to banish certain posters. He also likes making things up, he has constructed a whole personnae for me, he seems to think I am a cross between Robina Quereshi and Rosie Kane. Complete mince, but I don't like to shatter his tenuous grip on reality. He's a poor soul really, more to be pitied than scorned.
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Tris,

15/02/2009 21:08:19
So Darling knew best, and, as usual, was wrong?

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Observer,,

Glasgow 15/02/2009 21:11:21
157 Yes Colonel he is a strange one, I made a post about positive action in housing once and he has morphed from that into constructing scenarios where I am hiding illegal immigrants. I don't think he's mentally well, to state the bleedin' obvious.
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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

15/02/2009 21:40:24
Gordon Brown has intervened personally in attempts to rescue HBOS, Britain’s biggest savings bank, which is in emergency talks to be acquired by Lloyds TSB.

The Prime Minister spoke to Sir Victor Blank, Lloyd’s chairman, at a City function on Monday night as the bank’s shares tumbled on fears it would be the next victim of the global credit crunch.

In a statement this afternoon, HBOS confirmed it was in “advanced talks with Lloyds TSB Group which may or may not lead to an offer being made for HBOS”.

Mr Brown discussed the impact of the collapse of Lehman Brothers, the American bank, on HBOS and other British institutions with Sir Victor at a private event hosted by Citigroup in London.

They are understood to have talked about the possibility of a merger with Lloyds TSB, although Downing Street sources have denied any suggestion that Mr Brown told Sir Victor, whom he knows well, that he must step in and rescue the mortgage bank.

An official said: “It is not the role of a Prime Minister to tell a City
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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

15/02/2009 21:42:43
A man who claims he was sacked by HBOS after warning about reckless lending says he has proof that Gordon Brown is responsible for the banking crisis.

More problems for Gordon Brown?

Whistleblower Paul Moore has said he will release more than 30 documents that will disprove the Prime Minister's claim about the reasons for HBOS' massive losses.

He believes the failure to regulate banks over the past decade is at the root of the problems.

And because Mr Brown was the Chancellor who presided over Labour's financial policy, he believes he should now step down as Prime Minister.

In written evidence to the Treasury Select Committee, Mr Moore, HBOS' former head of risk, said he was fired by Sir James Crosby after warning that the bank was "going too fast" in 2005.

After leaving HBOS, Sir James became deputy chairman of the Financial Services Authority (FSA), the body that is supposed to keep banks in check.

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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

15/02/2009 21:43:32
The Bank of China has emerged as a potential bidder for an alternative takeover of HBOS, it has been reported.

BROWN Vetoed the move
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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

15/02/2009 21:44:25
Mr Spowart refused to confirm the report that the Bank of China was the potential backer.

He told The Scotsman: "We took a decision early on to neither confirm or deny which bank was behind any potential bid."



Sir Peter Burt

The report emerged as ex-Bank of Scotland chief executive Sir Peter Burt and former Royal Bank of Scotland boss Sir George Mathewson continued their attempt to thwart Lloyds' Government-backed bid for HBOS.

Sir Peter told Sky News the takeover was not in the public interest and could result in 37,000 job losses.

It emerged at the weekend that he and Sir George were seeking shareholder support for a plan to retain HBOS as a stand-alone bank.

Their attempts have been resisted by HBOS, which said Lloyds TSB offered "certainty".

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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

15/02/2009 21:48:58
The ComRes poll for the Independent on Sunday appears to mark the end of the "Brown bounce", returning Labour to the trough of unpopularity it experienced last summer.

The 16-point lead enjoyed by David Cameron's Conservatives, on 41%, is the widest margin recorded by any major poll since October.

But it is Nick Clegg's Liberal Democrats who appear to be the main beneficiaries of the collapse in Labour support, jumping seven points since a similar poll for the IoS last month to reach 22%.

The three-point gap between Labour and the Lib Dems is the narrowest since 2003.

Labour regularly recorded poll scores of 23% to 25% over last summer as it plumbed depths of unpopularity unseen for a generation.

The party's ratings recovered to a peak of 37% over the winter, as voters responded positively to Mr Brown's vigorous efforts to rescue the banks with a £37bn recapitalisation package and restore economic growth with fiscal stimulus measures including a 2.5% cut in VAT.

However, Labour's poll scores have been drifting downwards since Christmas, and the latest survey appears to show the electorate losing faith in the Government's measures to tackle the financial crisis.

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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

15/02/2009 21:57:02
"Brown swaggers around holding himself out as the economic saviour of the world with a level of hubris that defies belief. But does he ever acknowledge that it was he, as Chancellor of the Exchequer, who presided functionally over the economic strategy that got us into this mess in the first place?"

Mr Moore said that he had collected a "meticulous record" of his time at HBOS which will back up his warnings that the bank was "going too fast" and taking excessive risk thanks to a "sales driven culture" led by Sir James as chief executive.

Sir James has rejected Mr Moore's claim that he sacked the head of risk as a result of his warnings.

The former HBOS chief executive - who was appointed to the board of City watchdog the FSA by Mr Brown and promoted to deputy chairman by his successor Chancellor Alistair Darling - today indicated that he may be planning to go before the Treasury Committee to give his account of events.

Sir James told the Sunday Telegraph: "I plan to issue a full and detailed rebuttal on the basis of my best recollections of what took place at HBOS during the relevant period.

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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

15/02/2009 22:05:23
THE home secretary, Jacqui Smith, has privately indicated that she fears for her political future, amid Tory claims that she is “out of her depth” and speculation among MPs that Gordon Brown may want to replace her.

People who work closely with Smith are now openly casting doubt on her track record and her chances of surviving an expected summer cabinet reshuffle.

Smith’s standing among her own supporters was undermined last week by the row over her expenses claims. By claiming that her main residence is a bedroom in a house she shares with her sister in London, she has managed to draw £116,000 to help cover the costs of her constituency home in the West Midlands.

However, it is Smith’s apparent failure to make an impact on the law and order agenda and allegations that she has backtracked on a flagship immigration policy that are making her increasingly vulnerable to personal attacks.

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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

15/02/2009 22:08:13
Alistair Darling, our Chancellor, who controls the nation’s purse strings while living rent-free in Downing Street, has received almost £70,000 by designating his Edinburgh family mansion as a second home.
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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

15/02/2009 22:14:01
All this in the same week that Home Secretary Jacqui Smith was discovered to have claimed £116,000 in Commons allowances for living with her sister whilst in London.


The whole culture of how MPs exploit the expenses gravy train stinks. It’s time the self-serving rules were ripped up.


Every single MP knows the system is inept. But they are not going to change it because they are too busy counting their cash.


Is it any wonder that decent men and women have no time, respect or faith in their elected politicians?


The world is facing an unprecedented economic meltdown.


Until Westminster cleans up its act, MPs deserve every bit of contempt they get.
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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

15/02/2009 22:25:30
Darling Balls Brown
Darling Brown Balls
Brown Balls Darling
Brown Darling Balls
Balls Brown Darling
Balls Darling Brown





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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

15/02/2009 22:28:07
Balls Brown Darling

The three procrastineers!!
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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

15/02/2009 22:31:33
Johnstone Press is the "newspaper equivalent of HBOS and Northern Rock", according to a union official on the company's Leeds-based papers, where journalists have voted to go on strike for eight days later this month over compulsory redundancies.

Members of the joint National Union of Journalists' chapel at Johnston Press's Yorkshire Post, Yorkshire Evening Post and Leeds Weekly News voted overwhelmingly yesterday to hold two four-day strikes – sweeping aside the recommendation from union officials that they strike for four days.

The chapel, which is striking over three compulsory redundancies of photographers, voted 109 to three in favour of industrial action. A second meeting of more than 100 union members voted unanimously in favour of the two four-day strikes.

The strikes will run from Thursday 19 February to Sunday 22 February, and from Thursday 26 February to Sunday 1 March.

"This company is a financial mess not of our making – it's the newspaper equivalent of HBOS and Northern Rock," said father of chapel Peter Lazenby.

"The debt now amounts to 10 times its share value and the people responsible for this mess have received fat bonuses and the chief executive is retiring with a pension most working people would die for.

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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

15/02/2009 22:33:40
Johnston's woes have reignited the long-running debate on the future of the The Scotsman, Scotland on Sunday and the Edinburgh Evening News. Although Bowdler has refused to comment on speculation the titles are for sale, analysts say that only by selling titles can the company improve its "perilous" position. The market is deeply worried by the company's £465m debt and the fact the company must refinance that debt before 2010, in the middle of the "deepest recession we have seen for a long time", when banks are unwilling or unable to lend.

The Scotsman papers are widely seen as the most likely to be sold first because they fit the least well with Johnston's two century-old "life is local" business mantra, and the brands still carry a value well in excess of the price tag now being attached to them by the City. But sources say the problem for Bowdler is that nobody - at least for the moment - will put in an acceptable offer. Even if such an offer was to be forthcoming, it is unlikely that anything will happen until Fry takes up his post in January.
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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

15/02/2009 22:36:24
SHOCK AND sadness were just two of the words used by analysts and media watchers last week as Johnston Press's share priced tumbled to a level unthinkable only a few months ago. As well as a new wave of speculation about the future of the Scotsman titles, mutters of "there but for the grace of God " reverberated in some sectors of Scotland's troubled media sector.

When markets opened last Monday, the share price had already broken the psychologically important 10p barrier. If outgoing Johnston Press chief executive Tim Bowdler - to be replaced by fellow newspaper publisher Archant's chief executive John Fry in January - hoped that the pain had peaked, he was mistaken.

In the words of Panmure analyst Alex DeGroote, the share price "absolutely crated", falling almost 20% last Tuesday, and ending the week at 7.15p, after hitting a low of 6.5p. This means that the City now values the company at only £45.8 million. Johnston paid £180m for the three Scotsman titles alone in 2006 when the share price was 454p.
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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

15/02/2009 22:58:37
Lord Turner of Ecchinswell, the chairman of the Financial Services Authority, suggested in an interview yesterday that HBOS could have been rescued with financial help from the Government, without the need for a takeover.

At the time of the merger - in which the Prime Minister personally intervened to ensure its passage - ministers repeatedly insisted that a union with Lloyds was the only way to save HBOS and the wider financial system from meltdown.

However, speaking to the BBC on Sunday, Lord Turner said: "There could have been a different way of directly supporting HBOS and keeping Lloyds separate."

Lord Turner also disclosed that the FSA and the Treasury had known HBOS was heading for the massive losses that have raised significant fears over the viability of the merged Lloyds Banking Group (LBG) since they were disclosed on Friday.

His remarks will increase the scrutiny on Mr Brown, who is facing mounting political pressure over his personal role in the crisis now gripping the British financial sector.

The newly formed LBG is 43 per cent owned by the taxpayer, and ministers are prepared take a majority shareholding in the bank if its situation continues to worsen when the stockmarket opens for business again today (MONDAY).

Investors in Lloyds TSB have already lost three-quarters of their money since the "shotgun wedding" of the two banks was announced.

On Friday, shares in the merged group fell by a third after it revealed that HBOS had lost more than £10 billion last year.

By contrast, the old Lloyds TSB business made a £1 billion profit.

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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

15/02/2009 23:01:06
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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

15/02/2009 23:02:04
#178

Looks like they may well pay the price if they don't change their tune shortly...
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donald,

glasgow 17/02/2009 08:20:03
The Darling buds of May Day! May Day!

 

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