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Published Date: 29 June 2008
ONE of Britain's biggest supermarkets has warned it could sabotage SNP plans to crack down on cheap alcohol by setting up distribution centres across the border and selling cut-price drink on the internet.



Asda chiefs said there was "nothing to stop" them – and other supermarkets – building new warehouses in northern England and transporting alcohol ordered on the web direct to homes in Scotland.

The firm suggested such a move was inevitable if ministers north of the border denied customers cheap deals on alcohol available in England.

Asda is the first of the big four supermarkets to break its silence over the SNP plans, announced two weeks ago, which include measures to raise the drinking age in off-sales to 21, and to set a minimum price on all alcohol, with each unit being sold at no less than 35p.

Rob Chester, head of licensing at Asda, said: "There is nothing to stop companies looking at expanding their home shopping network or opening up depots just south of the border and delivering to homes in Scotland."

Paul Kelly, the store's corporate affairs director, added: "The big point here is that these measures will actually hurt the poorest.

"Low income Scottish consumers will pay for this. These plans could create two classes of customer: some who are reliant on the local supermarket because they use cash and others who will get deals over the internet."

He added: "The well-off person in Bearsden will be OK. But a poor family in Dundee will pay. It is about a £10,000 a year person being punished for wanting to have a drink at the end of a week. That is the unintended consequence of what is being proposed."

Store chiefs claimed they had already carried out several measures to act against irresponsible drinking, removing so-called 'fruit shooters' and super-strength lager from shelves. Asda also recently announced plans to spend £1m over the next year on youth-targeted alcohol projects

The move to limit the amount of shelf space available to alcohol, they warned, would also drive out small producers from lucrative supermarket spots.

Chester said: "We may have to strip out products that don't sell well from small suppliers to make more space for the bulk selling lines."

The supermarket also said it would be protesting about the fact that bars, pubs and clubs had been largely left out of the picture in the crackdown.

Kelly said: "You can have six pints at the pub and then stock up with a carry out from the pub but it isn't OK for a 20-year-old soldier returning from Iraq to go out and buy a bottle of wine on a Friday evening so he can enjoy a night in front of the telly with his girlfriend. It just doesn't make sense."

SNP ministers are now facing a summer of intense pressure over their plans, as they go out to consultation. The drinks industry is expected to follow up with a summer campaign, in which it will test public opinion. The plans to raise the age limit in off-sales to 21 has already been questioned by SNP backbenchers and by student groups as well.

A Scottish Government spokeswoman said last night that Asda's comments simply "strengthened the case for Government action" against irresponsible promotions and pricing.

She added: "We encourage the UK Government to follow our lead and take action on cheap alcohol across the country. We would also point out that such action could potentially jeopardise the licences held for every store in Scotland.

"High-strength, low-cost alcohol is not a right. It's fuelling the damage to our communities, costing over £2bn a year and having a huge effect on our health service and criminal justice system. We are not prepared to stand by and watch this continue. That's why we're consulting on bold proposals to tackle alcohol misuse and change the culture in Scotland."


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  • Last Updated: 28 June 2008 11:00 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Alcohol & binge drinking
 
1

Fifi la Bonbon,

29/06/2008 00:23:19
I don't see why any supermarket needs to be permitted to sell alcohol or tobacco.

I think they should withdraw all off-licences and then permit only specially licensed vintners and tobacconists, to sell alcoholic beverages and tobacco (and matches, I suppose) respectively.

That would enable the hypothetical 20 year old squaddie back fae Iraq, about whom the ASDA corporate affairs director is so worried, to get paralytic with his burd, so long as he got someone over 21 to buy it for him.

Of course ASDA staff wouldn't sell booze to a 20 year old, would they?
2

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 29/06/2008 00:25:16

LONG LIVE THE REVOLUTION!.."ASDA",!!!

Dumbo The Elephant, could not of thought of a more,,..

'STUPID LAW'!

The Only one it would affect is us the older ones!

ARE THE SUCH LOONIES! THEY DONT UNDERSTAND THIS,??


THE UNDER 21s AND TEENS, 'WILL' ALWATYS GET THEIR BOOZE, 'NO-MATTER' WHAT YOU DO!

THEY HAVE WAYS AND MEANS, YOU KNOW!

AS I WOULD, AT THIS AGE GROUP!

LONG LIVE THE REVOLUTION!

Lets Drink To That!
3

Castaway,

29/06/2008 00:58:19
Paul Kelly, the store's corporate affairs director, added: "The big point here is that these measures will actually hurt the poorest" Paul is it because the poorest cannot afford access to the internet ?
4

Senga Jean,

29/06/2008 00:58:45
ASDA! ASDA! Your irresponsibility is showing. The SNP Government is seeking a solution to a major problem in the Northern Hemisphere. Perhaps England and Scotland could unite in a more helpful way and ban all supermarkets from selling alcohol. (Union just for that mind!)
5

Fanling,

Switzerland 29/06/2008 01:05:13
Another MacAskill supersonic diktat hits the fan. Will this man never learn? Sorry to say, but the SNP is becoming less credible by the day.

Prior to this idiocy (penalising the majority for being sensible), the latest rave news is Salmond's nod to Islamic schools - funded, if you please, by the Scots taxpayer. A few years back I really thought the SNP was Scotland's answer to the Labour chicanery of the past 10 years, and prior Tory slash-and-burn contempt. But no. I feel let down by recent less than responsible events.

MacAskill long ago lost whatever credibility he might have had (not a lot). Salmond, on his Islamic schools bandwagon venture, has completely and incredibly lost the plot. And he will lose voters, for sure. Me for one.

Scotland needs a new political party (or more independents) with broad vision, which will truly stand up for Scotland and those from other parts who choose to live in Scotland, and - crucially - those who adhere to Scots values and do not seek to impose their own upleasant religious agenda on the general populace.

Before any wisecracker steps in, that statement about values naturally excludes the ned culture whose fetid feral existence successive governments continue to permit to offend society without sanction.

We are at a crossroads. Something needs to be done.


6

Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 29/06/2008 01:10:09
What a pathetic English snaphead. There's a very simple solution here. Pull ASDAs Scottish licenses. And if they are running bootleg alcohol over the border grab the trucks.
This a serious challenge to the sovereignty of the Scottish Parliament.
If they actually do it. There are two chances of that happening. And slim just left town.
7

a proud doonhamer,

Dumfries 29/06/2008 01:22:25
Simple solution --ban all off-licences.

The border issue can be controlled by requiring that all persons bring alcohol into Scotland must purchase a single use licence from the Scottish government. Persons not doing so face prosecution.

Problem solved.
8

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 29/06/2008 01:34:44

Are we all, as 'Daft' and 'Stupid' as the Politician's,?


Don't matter what you,, 'ENFORCE' the Teens and under 21s will get their "Booze"!

IS, ONE AND ONE,.. 'TWO',?

If you think this correct! get a life and see our,...

"Asda" is Perfectly correct!, to challenge, 'Idiotic' and Absolute 'Stupid' Legislation!,..


The 'Dumbo Circus', calls for!
9

Fanling,

Switzerland 29/06/2008 01:47:29
#7 Neil Waugh,Old Strathcona
"What a pathetic English snaphead."

Who is the pathetic English snaphead to whom you refer? Serious question.
10

Fifi la Bonbon,

29/06/2008 01:48:34
See, we all probably think Kenny McAskill is a thicko.

But as Doonhamer has shown, this is really just a subtle ploy for the SNP to set up frontier posts with special border guards, probably wearing tartan trews and glengarrys in a design by Mr Salmond, to search visitors for illicit English booze and check people's "papers".

- "Would ye mind openin' yur car boot, Surr?"

- "Ah see ye've come fae Carlisle, Surr. Dae ye huv yur importation licence handy?"

Mr McAskill isn't the eejit we all think, is he?
11

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 29/06/2008 02:55:57

Well tell you what! to put an understanding on this topic,

When I was in my 'Teens' 17/18years, we used to drive down to Newcastle for late night drinking and the clubs, this was when all Scottish Pubs closed their doors at 10 o'clock!

Soo what will be the difference now,?,...NONE!

Our Teens WILL Find ways to drink the,..'Booze'

Well-Done to,.."Asda" for fighting this Political Stupidity!
12

Gina Gibson,

Wales 29/06/2008 02:56:33
Asda is owned by Wal Mart...an AMERICAN company.
When did the Americans ever respect any country's borders?

We should start taxing Buckfast,mad dog, thunderbird and all the alcopops TO THE MAXIMUM.
13

Forward not Back,

29/06/2008 03:19:01
I said this a few weeks when Kenny the fountain dancer came up with this stupid notion.

Are the SNP going to police the border now as well?

And how much would that cost?

Drop this stupid idea now.
14

C.U. Jimmy,

29/06/2008 03:34:47
Folks, you need to go and re-read Orwell's 1984.

Endless cheap booze for the proles ('Victory Gin' in the novel) is a necessary component of the type of regime we now have under Big Brother Brown. Being drunk muddles your mind and stops you thinking about how much better life could be under a different Government.
15

The Trossachs Hasher,

29/06/2008 03:40:24
I think this says far more about Asda than it does about government policy.

If they think selling cheap alchohol is the only way they can make money then I do feel sorry for them. By being openly defiant and saying " we will just keep selling it on the internet anyway" is no better than people who drink too much already saying "we will just carry on getting drunk" and sticking two fingers up at the government.

There is a serious social problem here and all Asda can think about are their profits and their "right" to sell alchohol as they please.



16

Longdirk Maceth,

NZ 29/06/2008 03:51:36
#6 Fanling,Switzerland.
So how would you deal with this nigtmare which blights Scotland?
Your right "We are at a crossroads. Something needs to be done" but what?

If we can prevent kids getting their hands on boose, at leats they have a chance to grow up and mature, before their hooked into this. The goverment should be commended for at least trying to do something about it. But again I ask you, WHAT would you do?
17

W Smith,

Middle East 29/06/2008 04:04:15
In the USA this is not unusual as the taxes on booze can vary from state to state and some americans will cross the state border just to load up on cheaper booze.

I can't believe I am saying this but I think MacAskill has got it right!

BTW
The Weegies alcohol problem is no laughing matter - look how many of them think the Old Firm are respected throughout Europe!
18

Son of Loki,

The Dark Side 29/06/2008 04:47:28
Really responsible of the Supermarket, fly in the face of the latest idea to fight the problem of Scotland's drink culture. No doubt Asda will be 'Rolling Back' all the alcohol over the border.

Stay alive people, it's the only way to live

Loki Jnr
19

scotsdoc,

NANAIMO 29/06/2008 05:19:06

I lived in Scotland from birth in 1930 until 1953 and I can tell you it was a miserable depressing cold country.......Booze..Scotch was 12/6 when WW 11 started jumped to 25/- at war's end and then skyrocketed from there..IT WAS THE UK's only 'hard currency' earner.....Purchase tax 30% under 1000 Pounds 60% above 1000 Pounds.......Income tax 95% for most people.......106% for people earning REAL MONEY(Golfers, Fotballers and movie actors).......Estate taxes at GOD ONLY KNOWS what level with country houses having their roofs ripped off to avoid crippling taxes.......Petrol rationing(causing me to become a criminal buying coupons so I could motor cycle from Edinburgh to Yarrow)

The only solace to be had was in CLOUDY CIDER that the STUDENTS UNION in 'BRISTO' Edinburgh sold to us students, at 1/- per pint.

I reckon Scotland today is lapsing into the same state as it was in the late forties when the HEAVY HAND OF SOCIALISM suppressed any initiative or enjoyment! Cheap booze may be the only thing that makes life bearable.
20

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 29/06/2008 06:49:45
SNP = BIG Brother? 1984 = 2010? Ah, the Brave New Scotland! Dear Leader Alex.
21

bill inch,

EDINBURGH 29/06/2008 07:13:58
Prohibition that will work.
22

beeree,

29/06/2008 07:20:36
This is so, so, stupid a proposition by SNP it must be a decoy for more devious legislation.

Look at the comments above - border patrols- end user licences - etc.

There is a discipline of thought here that can only come from a saturday night drunkard.
23

Roy,

29/06/2008 07:26:00
I'm against MacRascal's silly strategy on this, demonising young folk carte blanche, but Asda is putting commercial greed before social responsbibility with a statement like this.
24

Brahann,

Fife 29/06/2008 07:31:50
Can People please remember what this is about!

These findings are from the home office:

Over half (56%) of all 10- to 17-year-olds reported having had an alcoholic drink in the previous 12 months. This figure was highest among 16- to 17-year-olds (88%) and lowest among 10- to 13-year-olds (29%).

There was no gender difference in frequency of alcohol consumption among 10- to 17-year olds. However, among 18- to 25-year-olds, more men (68%) than women (51%) reported drinking alcohol once a week or more.

One-third of those 10- to 17-year-olds who reported drinking alcohol once a month or more also reported feeling very drunk once a month or more in the previous 12 months.

For those respondents aged 10 to 17 years who had drunk alcohol in the past year, the majority reported drinking alcopops (59%) and beer (46%).

48% of 10-to 17-year-olds who had drunk alcohol in the past year reported that they obtained alcohol from their parents, although those who got very drunk at least once a month generally obtained alcohol from pubs, bars and shops rather than from their parents .

Around half of 16- to 17-year-olds had tried to buy alcohol from pubs and bars (59%) or shops (47%) in the past 12 months and most had been successful at least once (98% of those trying pubs and bars and 96% of those trying shops).

Those who drank alcohol once a week or more committed a disproportionate volume of crime, accounting for 37% of all offences reported by 10- to 17-year-olds but only 14% of respondents. Those who had never drunk alcohol or had not drunk alcohol in the past year committed 16% of all offences but comprised 45% of respondents.

A higher proportion of those who drank alcohol once a week or more reported committing criminal damage (12%) and theft (4%) offences during or after drinking than those who drank less frequently.

Shame on the Scotsman and Eddie Barnes! or maybe they have a magic wand to make this problem go away..... or maybe shares in Asda!
25

Guga II,

Rockall 29/06/2008 07:45:06
That waste of space, Kenny MacAskill, and his proposed stupid legislation, will not stop alcohol abuse or alcohol usage by underage drinkers.

As for ASDA importing alcohol from England, there is nothing that he, or anyone else, can do about it, at least under current EU regulations.

The simplest way to try and obtain some form of control over underage drinking, as well as the abuse of alcohol, is to enforce exisiting legislation, and to increase penalties for breaches of the legislation. In addition, parents of underage drinkers should, in the case of repeat offenders, also be penalised. Parents should be forced to accept some responsibility for the actions of their children.

26

brownlie,

29/06/2008 07:49:01

From the negativity of some of the posts on here it would appear that it is more important that a superstore makes a profit than it is for tackle a problem that has bedevilled Scotland for years.

From the tone of the article I'm surprised that Eddie Barnes did not begin with:
"Rejoice! Rejoice! One of Britain's biggest supermarkets has warned it could sabotage SNP's plans ...."
27

Labour voter,

Dunfermline 29/06/2008 07:55:50
The "drinkers" writing in this forum obviously don't have gangs of drunk youths roaming their area causing mayhem. We were all young and silly at one time, but never bad and destructive. Things are getting totally out of hand now and folk are even frightened to venture out on their own. I think national service made responsible adults out of young people and gave them pride and respect, something you don't see now. I admire anyone who is trying to solve a massive problem. Oh, and I won't be doing my shopping in Asda again! We all need to start walking to our corner shop daily again, maybe a wee bit dearer, but think about the price of petrol.
28

Ninian Reid,

Edinburgh 29/06/2008 08:03:20
Yes, of course, Berwick could become a Prohibition-era utopia, but it wouldn't be entering into the spirit of the initiative, would it ? Bless the SNP ; they ARE trying to turn us into a healthier nation, are they not ? I don't want to pay more for alcohol. But,equally, I don't want more Scots to die prematurely.
29

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 29/06/2008 08:05:03
Prohibition in the US opened the door to the Mafia and the drug traffickers. People should learn from history, not ignore its lessons. SNP especially should be more historically aware.

Time we introduced drinking licences?
30

Linda,

Edinburgh 29/06/2008 08:10:44
27 is spot on. Excessive drinking is the biggest problem in Scotland. Suggest critics and journos visit any Hospital A&E Department at weekends.

Many other countries such as the USA have 21 as lower limit and in Australia supermarkets must have a separate shop entrance for selling alcohol. Also the drink driving limit is much lower.

These are not backward countries.

Supermarkets should not be allowed to sell alcohol at cut prices . These measure would encourage sensible drinking and help local pubs and small hotels which are closing down down to supermarket policies.
31

daveserviceman,

edinburgh 29/06/2008 08:13:42
If I want to be an alcholic I will be and no politicion is going to take away my Human rights to do this. The country is turning into a dictatorship.
Pull the licences by all means then when all the companies leave scotland for elsewhere you will have to pick up the tab for all those left unemployed by the big business departure
32

The Tin Man,

29/06/2008 08:15:30
I guess we would all have to be issued with ID cards for this to work.
33

Norman C.,

London 29/06/2008 08:21:17
You who knock Asda, you're SO unfair.


Asda is a socially responsible company. I think of it as my little shop round the corner, working and concerned for the little people. I wept tears when I read dear Paul Kelly's heart-rending and sincere comments (he's the store's corporate affairs director and a man of integrity and decency): "The big point here is that these measures will actually hurt the poorest."

Why are so many of you such cynics?
34

steve 1511,

aberdeen 29/06/2008 08:31:46
profits before peoples health thats the asda way.cheap sausages filled with fat and other rubbish what next meths by the litre
35

Norman C.,

London 29/06/2008 08:41:28
Oh Steve,

How COULD you. May you be struck dumb by an Asda Frankfurter and may the spirit of Asda (100% proof) haunt you.

For shame.
36

Lillig,

29/06/2008 09:01:14
Even though there is undoubtedly a problem, the SNP solution is a bit big-brotherish and heavy handed.

Agree with Charles. Young people will be inventive in finding their drinks. No matter what.

This is what needs to be addressed. Make it much much tougher. Supermarkets could put the sales of alcohol separately from other foods. You could view a sample wine bottle on display, but would have to pick it up from behind a counter. Assistants on this counter would have to be mature - over 25 - and sales not made to anyone under 21. Pubs could do the same.

Anyone buying alcohol on behalf of minors should be fined heavily.

But even if you disagree with Asda's comments. They are only telling what will happen in reality. People in Romania, for example, cross to the Bulgarian borders to buy duty free alcohol. People in other countries go to borders to buy all kinds of things when they can be bought cheaper. I would too if it suited me.
37

Boyne Bhoy,

Drogheda 29/06/2008 09:05:09
Simple solutions are no solutions.

Whoever says alcohol is cheap in the UK is a fool. Travel just about anywhere in continental Europe and booze is substantialy cheaper. The problem is the way British people use alcohol not the alcohol itself.

If people could learn to use not abuse alcohol everything would be fine and dandy-if people in Scotland could act responsibly then we would be fine-why can't they-that is the issue which needs to be addressed.

Anyway, alcohol in Ireland is much more expensive so I'm off to Sainsburys in Newry to stock up-toodloo!
38

Blindscout,

Fife 29/06/2008 09:06:36
My wife works on a ward where half the beds are taken up with alcohol related illnesses. There is not a week goes by when someone under 45 dies with alcohol related illness. I have a paramedic friend who says 1/3 of ambulance use on a Sat night is alcohol related and he says the police call cover their own backs with drunks these days by callig an ambulance rather than a paddy wagon. If you had the option of a night in the cells or waiting in A&E for 3-4 hours, what would you choose?

These SNPs ideas are in a discussion document. Most comments here are anti anthing. But something needs to be done. So less of the sh1ty comments. Come up with solutions that may work. Some of the proposals such as selling alcohol at seperate tills like cigs is sound. I would also reduce the hours at all off-licences. especially in the evening.

My solutions. Laws already exist for drunks in public places and selling alcohol to persons already drunk. Remove the selling licenses for those infringing thair responsiblity. Lock up all drunks in cages and cool them down with a fire hose. They will soon get the message. This would not affect the well behaved drinkers. It would not hurt the poorer. But we do need to think of solution to a very real problem.
39

Nikostratos,

29/06/2008 09:18:29
I hope the snp carry on regardless........bit like nu-labour there gonna get the same result..Boing..Boing and out.


#41

we live in a society which creates Drunks.....you wanna stop making drunks change society..The snp say they can but on one measure the council tax freeze. they have shown rather than use money from the most well of in society to aid those in need(alcohol dependence etc).

They 'Choose' to allow the wealthy to keep thier cash so I'm afraid the drink problem will have to stay in Scottish society.
40

C U Jimmy,

East Ayrshire 29/06/2008 09:31:44
I suppose the North England distribution centers could include Heroin, Cannabis, Crack, and so on to maximize their profits.
41

Danilo,

29/06/2008 09:47:56
I would like to suggest to replece milk in babies' bottles with ALCOHOL!!!

To Fanling,Switzerland: your comments show your level of intelligence!
42

Phil C,

29/06/2008 09:54:14
Yes we have a huge problem with alcohol in Scotland, BUT it is only a huge problem with a small minority. Kenny McAskill is well-meaning with his crusades but he is well wrong with his proposed solutions.

Education, education, education (words which meant nothing out of Bliar's mouth) is the key. Youngsters need to be taught to take responsibility for their own actions and be punished by the law if they don't.

Kenny's policy of rules (which will be broken) and more tax is a serious weakness in the SNP just now. It is unpopular with the great majority who enjoy a responsible tipple.

Let's face it, many Scots without a drink are like fish without water!
43

Joe,

Livingston 29/06/2008 09:56:50
Once again the SNP are being made to look foolish.. Prepare for the mass population exodus Southwards.
44

Gorbals Man,

Glasgow 29/06/2008 09:57:37
It appears that Asda may have a hidden Agenda in attempting to interfere with Scottish politics and the progress of Scottish Nationalism by being anti SNP but supporting the Labour party.

Is it a coincidence that one of the 10 named Wendy Alexander donors was Willie Haughey probably one of Asda's biggest contractors and a declared Royalist who is anti Scottish independence. It is also rumoured that Asda has a share holding in Haughey's company City Refrigeration?

Is it coincidence that all this should surface when Ms Alexander resigns and a Labour MP announces his retirement making way for a by election in Shettleston that the SNP is capable of winning?

I think not.

45

Robbierunciman,

Romney Marsh 29/06/2008 10:09:10
the solutions look simple, either tax them more in scotland or, change the law and withdraw the licences of certain types of store to sell booze in Scotland.
46

bobwmac,

29/06/2008 10:09:49
It's not the big supermarkets that are selling alcohol to the feral teenagersand their apprentices. On a Sunday morning you can see the evidence of the revolting behaviour of the drunk children who invade our area every weekend. Behind them they leave their broken bottles and carrier bags - these carrier bags do not originate in supermarkets, but in the local "corner shops", the owners of which know they are "untouchable".

47

Mikey,

29/06/2008 10:19:16
I got my first drink in a pub at 15. I regularly abused my liver for a couple of years. When you're a kid, moderation is something you don't think of.

It would be interesting to find out how many polis were around in 1970 and how many are around now. In 1970, there was a definite chance of being caught for underafe drinking. I don't think there is now! Also, if you wanted to but drink away from a pub, you had to go to an off licence, in the main. We didn't have the situation where every wee local shop has a drinks licence.

Perhaps if we restricted the issue of off licences, we'd have a better chance of stopping under age drinking. Or is that too simple?
48

Fifi la Bonbon,

29/06/2008 10:20:35
I agree with the view that supermarkets should have licences to sell booze and fags taken away from them, and there should be lots fewer places with licences and heavy penalties properly enforced against anyone involved in putting booze in the hands of children under 18.

But frontier posts and new taxes and "single user licences" is a stupid Stalinist approach to the problem. Far better to try and work with the Department of Health, BERR and other English and UK departments to see how administrations across the UK can resolve the problem.

But that is the big problem - will the SNP administration put its overwhelming desire to stir up antipathy between the nations above the need to take action to preserve the health of the people? I have serious doubts if they will. More likely they will see this as one more opportunity to stir the pot.

ASDA, on the other hand, is clearly run by a bunch of unprincipled drug dealers who don't even know their own policies when it comes to selling booze to people under 21.
49

busbyfh,

29/06/2008 10:22:15
Draconian booze moves on pricing etc will lose SNP 20 to 30% of their voters.
Labour is imploding.
Very few folk would ever admit to voting Consevative.
Who the hell does that leave us to vote for ?
Doors wide open - Roll up , roll up.
50

eric,

29/06/2008 10:31:42
take your shops and jobs with you please
51

MisterN,

Scotland 29/06/2008 10:33:35
2

Big fan of alcopops are you pops? what a troll.
52

MisterN,

Scotland 29/06/2008 10:35:18
6

Aye that must have been a dagger in your islamaphobic heart eh?
53

MisterN,

Scotland 29/06/2008 10:36:37
14

They will have to spend some of the money they have for booze on transport costs so they will obviously have to cut down on the amount they drink wont they?
54

WYORKSTEACHER,

29/06/2008 10:37:34
I live in England but have many relatives and friends in Scotland. My Father proudly served in the Black Watch in WWII. My family name is Scottish. I regard myself as British. The concept of the 'border' implies that it is something other than a line on a map. I wholeheartedly endorse moderation in drink and other things. Ultimately you cannot impose common sense. You can punish antisocial behaviour and the comments earlier re NED culture were totally valid. The EU laws forbid any 'cross border taxation etc. The free market will win out and youths will go to the cheap beer and bright lights. Look at what has happened re tobacco and alcohol sales in Southern England respectable off-licences and tobacconists will be replaced by crooks and the booze will continue to flow. The only difference is that the profits will go to crooks. ASDA and others will simply supply the maket NEEDS. To have an effect you must change this NEED.
55

MisterN,

Scotland 29/06/2008 10:39:42
23

The principle of dealing with the drink problem in Scotland and indeed the whole of the UK is popular and welcomed by nearly everybody the SNP are trying to deal with this principle by making it more difficult for youngster to get a hold of alcohol now what exactly is "Big Brother" about that?
And when are you going to stop pretending your a federalist and not a unionist? your credibility is bad enough already.
You already smell like a troll.
56

The Tin Man,

29/06/2008 10:44:42
A better idea might be to have a long, and sustained media-campaign to stigmatise being pished, and I am talking about a couple of decades long.

It is socially acceptable to be blootered, of an evening, in Scotland - that is the problem.
57

MisterN,

Scotland 29/06/2008 10:44:45
43

Wouldnt it be better is junkies and alkis had to leave Scotland to get their fix? or would you prefer it was more available here?
58

MisterN,

Scotland 29/06/2008 10:48:07
59

Aye nothing wrong with that idea its still regarded as macho and sexy to bevy smoke and take drugs.
Mind you if they took out the ingrediants that make them addictive then there wouldnt be a problem.
59

Boswall,

29/06/2008 10:48:43
We should be thanking Asda.

Strict enforcement of existing laws would solve the under age alcohol problem, no need to development unenforcable laws that penalise the majority.
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Boswall,

29/06/2008 10:50:39
#55

It's hardly islamophobic to object to tax payer money being spent on religious schools, we are afterall supposed to have seperation between church and state.
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GrahamH,

Edinburgh 29/06/2008 10:51:58
#58 - MisterN. You quote "you already smell like a troll".

Are you confused.

This article is about a strange Nirvana, of Not Smelling Like Teen Spirit.
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LAM,

Edinburgh 29/06/2008 10:52:44
While we are on this topic of responsible drinking/selling... we should take a page from some other countries like Canada. They have special certificate course (Smart Serve) that all bar staff including waiting staff must take in order to help them identify persons who need to be cut off. If you are served booze to the point of going over the limite limit and get into a car accident killing someone.. the bar now takes on the liability because they knowing contined to serve you and endangering peoples lives.
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bluehead,

edinburgh 29/06/2008 10:59:00
three cheers for ASDA,down with the SNP, the majority
of people who like a drink at reasonable prices and behave themselves and do not cause any trouble seem to be the ones to suffer every time the yobs cause trouble.
politicians seem to think that the majority of well behaved people should suffer for the minority of wasters, I thought SNP would be an improvement, instead they are as bad as the rest of the political parties
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lachlan,

29/06/2008 11:01:55
#59
agree there many countries where alcohol is cheaper and they do not have the same prolems with alcohol.we accept getting 'blootered'(is that how you spell it)as the norm.we have as many terms for getting intoxicated as the inuit have for snow.we almost glory in it.it's as if it is something we can show the world how to do and are pruod of it.i do not think making alchol 'special'with seperate check outs and the rest is the answear.or is making it harder to aquire.
it has not exactly worked with illicit drugs.
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Publius,

Girvan 29/06/2008 11:02:03
#49 bobwmac

Right on Bob. At last some reason on this board. The big supermarkets go to a lot of trouble not to sell drink to under-18s. The little cornershops will sell anything to anyone.

Couple of other points.
(1) If drink gets dearer than in England, a lot of business is going to go to Berwick and Edinburgh.
(2) Children don't get drunk because it's cheap. They get drunk because it's fashionable. It'd go out of fashion if the children were rounded up and their parents were charged with neglect.
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Itchy,

29/06/2008 11:02:56
#5 "The SNP Government is seeking a solution to a major problem in the Northern Hemisphere"

Wrong! The proposals are just a tax and power grab worthy of the Soviet Union.

Well done ASDA for sabotaging these plans.
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The Spook in Leith,

29/06/2008 11:03:23
Great so we have a discount retailer exploiting a loophole in one of the SNP,s proposals!!! Nothing new in that, Tesco set up an entertainment online operation on the channel islands so that they could offer shoppers cheaper deals on DVD,s etc due to the different tax systems...it was popular with customers..

However Asda has to mind that the SNP,s policy is also popular with a lot of people in Scotland!!!!
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Publius,

Girvan 29/06/2008 11:04:06
Correction to my 68.

Should read: ...Berwick from Edinburgh ...
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The Spook in Leith,

29/06/2008 11:05:13
#69

vote Asda and get you buck fast...cheapo
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Big Jock McDoc,

Scotland 29/06/2008 11:08:47
I've read through the comments and there is a depressing theme of apathy towards these proposals due to be similar to the 'big brother' socialist thinking of the present government.

I have to agree one of the posters there is a strong likelihood that this particular proposal has another purpose to allow the government to implement border guards.

It is hard to know how to solve this particular problem. Do we penalise responsible drinker because of irresponsible ones?

I don't know the solutions but I would like to add my particular slant.

In the past when I made the occasional misbehaviour when drunk I was put in the 'dog house' by friends and work colleagues and I would genuinely be keeping my head down and grovel and made sure that I watched what I drink to make sure that it didn't happen again.

I'm a bit older and some may debate a little wiser but I do feel that people including I have to say myself are accepting unacceptable drunk behaviour.

I think it has become socially acceptable to 'go over the score' and to say like he and more and more now she is not like that when sober and blame it on pressures of work and in society in general.

Unfortunately I don't have any answers to reverse this, it is just a sign of the times.

Lastly I want to point out one thing I have noticed about these national pub chains like whetherspoons that I think contributes to binge drinking and that is cheap offers and poor service.

It is particularly bad when it gets busy when there is only two or three bar staff serving and rather than having to wait later on, it's easier to get a bigger round. The problem is when you don't make the extra round last and when time gets on to move elsewhere you're gulping the extra booze down. As the night gets on, it takes it toll.
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Big Jock McDoc,

Scotland 29/06/2008 11:10:46
#64

Whatever would make you think MisterN is a troll? :-)

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The Spook in Leith,

29/06/2008 11:11:35
I agree with some people that it is a minority of people who abuse alcohol and im not really in favour of this policy but you would think that a responsible retailer like walmart would sit down with the government and talk through any concerns. No but walmart put profits first..
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Big Jock McDoc,

Scotland 29/06/2008 11:21:12
I think in this particular issue is the 'unacceptable face of capitalism'. Everybody seems to accept that the market is only meeting demand and not thinking of the wider social problems. This is as bad as the socialist 'big brother knows best' attitude.

Yes, you need to look at ways at sopping demand but you also need to look at ways of cutting supply as well.
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Andrew Buchan,

Kincardineshire 29/06/2008 11:43:08
Great news, thanks ASDA.

Heaven forbid that the weegies are not permitted to drink themselves into an early grave or clutter up their town centres getting smashed on Buckfast or Special Brew.

I'll be shopping elswhere now. Your store in Portlethen just lost a customer.
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Euan,

Edinburgh 29/06/2008 11:49:46
I say good on Asda for taking on the ridiculous proposed plans regarding the sale of alcohol.

The fact is the Government has completely failed to enforce it's very own laws on the sale of alcohol.

We constantly hear of the stories of underage people being 'employed' to go into certain off-licences to try and buy booze in order to catch the retailer breaking the law, but how many of these retailers are actually properly punished for this? - none.

Local authorities have issued far, FAR too many licenses to sell alcohol to FAR too many irresponsible retailers and the Government does not have the balls to act on this.

Instead they think that by simply raising the price of drink it will solve all the problems they are looking to fix.

Meantime, the perfectly responsible drinkers of Scotland are forced to pay more for their favourite drink at a time when the price of almost everything else is sky rocketing....


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Colinmac,

Edinburgh 29/06/2008 11:56:08
Well done Asda.

It is high time that polititians realised that they were NOT voted in to infringe civil liberties or engage in futile social engineering.

They brought in a smoking ban which did not appear in any election manifesto and now they want to interfere with free market economics (which rarely succeeds) without an election mandate.

I sincerely trust that these polititions will rot in Hell.
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happy english,

London 29/06/2008 12:05:21
All of this makes the SNP look very silly, Scots relying on England to get there Booze.
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Mr A. of Bonaly,

Edinburgh 29/06/2008 12:05:25
In light of the benefits seen and yet to be realised from the reform of smoking laws, I am astonished to find so much apathy and ignorance still being attached to our relationship with booze.

How many must-dos...,missed opportunities, unforefilled expectations, late morning, children sitting in darken rooms.

The story of drink in our society can be addressed from many perspectives but the saddest has to be that of our youth being preyed upon buy well crafted marketing and drinks promotions.

I like a drink, I even drink to get drunk. I certainly don't wake dehydrated and spent thanking ASDA for their 2for1 offer and I don't engage with the idea of ordering my Stella on-line. Why do we assume that we need to 'have a drink!?'. Can we not be spontaneous and fill our glass with life. Would a weekend look different without a hangover.

I for one will never shop in ASDA if they proceed with this plan to undermine a law that I see as being for social justice, strong leadership and a new healthier Scotland. One that I can be proud to raise my children in.
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Colinmac,

29/06/2008 12:12:09
#81

I have never read so much twaddle in my life. Social justice ? Strong leadership ? Are you drunk ?

The idea that the price of drink should be increased ro reduce demand is the very antithesis of social justice ! It just reduces demand from poor people.
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Liberal for life,

Dunblane 29/06/2008 12:29:32
Its an example of another half-baked policy dreamt up by some SNP activists. Lets face it this is a party that has one core theme, an independence agenda, that binds together a rag tag bunch of who knows what in terms of idealogical philosophy. They are mottly crew of socialists, conservatives, facists, communists, republicans, and aye a few so called liberals as well. Thier policies, on whatever topic you like to consider,cannot therefore hold together for any longer than it takes them to achieve their over-riding claim on seperation for Scotland. In the meantime they will blame everyone who doesn't share their fantasy but who prefers to believe in the United Kingdom as a better vehicle for our nation's well being. Salmond derides the UK but at the same time he wants a concordat with the other celtic nations and so he also effectively knows where we are best served. The man's a hypocrite and one day he will go the same way as all political charlatans.
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sar,

edinburgh 29/06/2008 12:39:35
While southern Europeans tend to incorporate drinking with eating and find outward signs of intoxication embarrassing, the tradition in Scotland, and other Northern European (Scandinavian) countries, is to drink less often but with the intention of getting drunk.
Low strength alcohol could be sold in supermarkets, with the higher strength available through the off-license retailers
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Ros,

Midlothian 29/06/2008 12:40:07
Brahan 27 re Over half (56%) of all 10- to 17-year-olds reported having had an alcoholic drink in the previous 12 months.
Does this not prove the point that kids at 10 can get alcohol now when the age is 18 so what difference would putting up to 21 make.
The answer is as always in education and diversion. Not just education in school either. Many of these kids are copying older siblings or parents. Geting them to drink responsibily first is the big task.
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A. Puschkin,

29/06/2008 12:44:55
I think this says far more about Asda than it does about government policy...By being openly defiant and saying " we will just keep selling it on the internet anyway" is no better than people who drink too much already saying "we will just carry on getting drunk" and sticking two fingers up at the government.

The COMMENT above is correct.

In Stockholm - alcohol sales were removed from supermarkets into special shops. The result - reduced suicides. In Scotland suicides are not the greater problem - but violence and murder are.

So ASDA......... go back to the USA where gun ownership is once again permitted by the Bush government! QED



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Nebulous,

Aberdeen 29/06/2008 12:46:41
I don't see the current proposals as being very well-developed, but I am convinced something needs to be done about alcohol.

I have seen some press reports to the effect that they are looking at a minimum price of 40p a unit in England, compared to a proposed 35p here. That would certainly scupper Asda's plans. This heavy-handed approach from Asda will certainly see me withdraw my custom for the time being until we see how this unfolds.
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happy english,

London 29/06/2008 12:55:34
#87 Get Real, those Supermarkerts have the power to pull of what they want, and I am sure that your withdrawal and many other thousands of you will not hurt them one bit. People will always take there Custom there no matter what you think.
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Colinmac,

29/06/2008 13:03:14
#87 I sympathise with your first statement but you missed a word. Something needs to be done about alcohol ABUSE. Alcohol. per se, is harmless and is much cheaper and less abused in most southern European countries.

A pricing mechanism, as suggested, can never be the answer. Alcopops are already outrageously expensive for what they are but the kids still buy them. I'm afraid that the 'tax and ban' brigade have got this one horribly wrong.

Short of an outright ban (and that has never worked anywhere) education can be the only long term answer to a problem of behavior.

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Neil,

Glasgow 29/06/2008 13:04:31
It was obvious this would happen. Looks like even if we don't get independence we will still be seeing the SNP putting up customs posts at Berwick.

#1 has the typical statist solution. When a government ban doesn't work the solutionis more sever government bans, however in this case it would involve the Westminster Parliament enforcing extra rules on the English because some Scots want it - which is not going to happen.
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brownlie,

29/06/2008 13:07:37
I understand that this is a consultation process by the government.

Whilst that is going on, I would like to see prosecutions and a severe sentencing policy for those who sell to, or buy drinks for, under-age drinkers. Once the news of a few prison sentences spread it will deter greedy shop-owners from breaking the law.

Teenagers in this area know which shops will sell cigarettes/alcohol to those underage. If we know this then surely the police do as well.
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