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Scotland's youth cocaine crisis



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Published Date: 17 February 2008
ONE in 10 Scottish teenagers over the age of 16 is now taking cocaine as the cost of the illegal drug has fallen following record harvests in South America.
The extent of the cocaine crisis among the country's youth is revealed today in two surveys compiled by police and by drugs, health and education experts for the Scottish Government.

Police chiefs are also warning that a combination of cheap cocai
ne and alcohol is putting a new generation at risk of serious health problems.

The deadly cocktail is now more readily available than ever before because teenagers from all class groups are pooling their money – meaning a single hit of the drug costs as little as £5.

Combining the narcotic with drink prolongs the effect but puts users at a high risk of suffering a heart attack. Some medical studies suggest that the combination has more of an effect on the heart than cocaine alone.

The Scottish Crime and Victim Survey and the Scottish Schools Adolescent Lifestyles and Substance Use Survey reveal that 13.2% of 16 to 19-year-olds have taken cocaine – 10.4% in the past year.

More than 6% said they had taken cocaine in the month before the surveys were compiled and 48% said drugs were easy to obtain.

The availability of the Class A drug has increased following a bumper coca leaf harvest in South American supply countries such as Columbia, Bolivia and Peru.

Scotland has the third-highest cocaine usage of any country in

Europe and experts fear the situation will only get worse as more and more youngsters start experimenting with the illegal drug.

Teenagers are clubbing together to buy a gram of cocaine for around £50. This can be used to provide up to 10 'lines'. Any money left over can be used to buy alcohol, which prolongs the effect of the drug.

Scientists have discovered that drinking after using the drug produces a chemical, cocaethylene, which allows an individual to consume three times as much alcohol as they normally would without becoming incapacitated.

However, it also means that the user is much more prone to violent outbursts as the drink and drug combination gives them an enhanced sense of 'invincibility'.

It also increases the risk of a heart attack by up to 24 times.

Susan Dean, a spokeswoman for the Scottish Drugs Forum, said the trend of mixing the two substances was "particularly worrying".

She explained: "It appears that taking cocaine allows people to drink much more than they could normally tolerate.

"But that combination forms a chemical which can lead to sudden death through cardiac arrest. The combination is also causing people to become more aggressive."

Detective Superintendent Willie MacColl, the National Drugs Co-ordinator for the Scottish Crime and Drug Enforcement Agency, said the health risks of taking cocaine, particularly with alcohol, were only just being appreciated.

He said: "It can be extremely dangerous to mix different drugs, and this includes taking a drug and drinking alcohol."

One reformed addict, who now works for Glasgow-based Cocaine Anonymous, said the age of users was falling.

"The users are getting younger and younger and they are now starting off by getting the drug off older brothers or friends." He added that the major problem when taking the drug was combining it with alcohol. "If you take cocaine, you drink more, much more," he said. "That is what makes people feel the way they do – invincible.

"But the next thing they know, they are waking up in a cell after killing someone and their life is over.

"That is if they do not kill themselves trying to be some sort of Superman."

A spokesman for the Scottish Government said it had already begun to implement a programme aimed at reducing the number of youngsters who were using cocaine.

He added: "Cocaine is not glamorous. It is an illegal, Class A drug which has serious health risks and can destroy lives and we have set up an expert working group to review psycho-stimulant use – including cocaine – in Scotland.

"The group is looking at the scale of the problem, including links between cocaine and alcohol, and will make recommendations on the best way forward to tackle these problems. It is due to report in early summer."

The surge in cocaine availability comes despite a series of high-profile police operations aimed at severing the supply line. Last week, a man was jailed for more than five years after being caught with one of the biggest-ever seizures of the drug in Edinburgh.

Police found six kilos of cocaine, worth around £300,000, after stopping Thomas Harvey as he returned to the capital from Merseyside.

The High Court in Edinburgh heard the 42-year-old had agreed to act as a courier to pay off drug debts accrued by his son to dealers in Liverpool.

On Friday, 19 people were sent for trial in connection with a suspected £100m drug cartel.

They were charged with drug and money laundering offences after being arrested in dawn raids on more than 30 addresses in London and the Home Counties on Wednesday.

Several guns and about 110kg of cocaine, with an estimated street value of £5.5m, were recovered by officers.

'Heroin is a dirty drug. Cocaine is just a lot cooler'

THREE teenagers in three towns across Scotland, and all with depressingly similar stories. If Alastair, Calum and Patrick – not their real names – are to be believed, the class A narcotic cocaine is more widely available across the country than ever before and penetrating every level of society.

Cocaine may once have been the party drug of choice for the moneyed classes, but with plentiful supplies arriving in the country after record coca harvests in South America, it is becoming more affordable to youngsters from a variety of backgrounds and more popular.

One lives in a Highland community, another in a quiet loch-side town and the other in an urban tower block. With prices now falling to below £50 a wrap (up to 10 lines), the drug is within reach of more young people, at an earlier age, than ever before.

All three now use cocaine bought by sharing money between friends to obtain the drug. Equally disturbing, all know that combining cocaine with alcohol intensifies and prolongs the 'buzz' they gain from taking the drug.

What they do not know is that, according to medical experts, combining cocaine and booze results in the liver creating a chemical, cocaethylene, that extends the drug's effect on the body but also inflates their chances of suffering a serious heart attack. Some studies suggest cocaethylene may have a higher cardiovascular toxicity than cocaine alone.

None of the three had heard of the risks of mixing cocaine and alcohol, yet with their lifestyles, they are all at extreme risk of causing serious and lasting harm to themselves, as well as others around them. These facts are lost on the trio – two of whom say they would never consider using heroin, but all of whom seem to think the pleasures outweigh the risks.

Alastair comes from a middle-class family in Aviemore, which sits amid the rural splendour of the Cairngorms National Park. Aged 17, he has been using cocaine for about a year, progressing from cannabis and Ecstasy. A fall in the quality of the tablets meant he wanted other options.

He explained the easy economics of his growing habit. "Cocaine is easy to obtain," he said. "My mates all use it, and if we put in a fiver each, we can have a line and then top it up with cheap cider.

"The cider seems to help the cocaine keep going somehow."

Alastair and his friends buy their cocaine from a local dealer, who used to supply them with Ecstasy. The price has remained static for months and they do not have any problem in obtaining it.

Alistair's story is echoed by Calum, who lives in Balloch on the south shore of Loch Lomond.

He has only been using cocaine for a couple of months, and apart from the odd smoke of a cannabis reefer, had never previously used any illegal substances.

But following a number of nights out with his friends, who were already taking the drug, he finally succumbed.

Calum, 16, said: "I watched my mates take it and they did not seem affected by it, apart from being happy and having a laugh.

"Eventually, I said yes, and at first did not think anything of it, but after a few lines and a couple of beers, I just felt nice. I wake up the next day and I don't have a hangover or feel sick."

Calum also chips in with his friends to buy a gram of cocaine at weekends from a dealer in nearby Dumbarton.

Like many other teenagers, he does not believe the narcotic carries the same stigma as heroin.

Calum added: "I would never, ever inject. Heroin is a dirty drug used by smackheads. It's something I have never tried and never would. Cocaine is just a lot cooler."

It is an argument with which Patrick probably agrees, but one that does not really enter his equation for taking the drug. The 16-year-old lives in Bridgeton in Glasgow's East End and is the latest member of his family to become a regular hard-drug user.

His mother and older brother are heroin addicts, who thought nothing of letting Patrick watch as they smoked the narcotic, even though he was little more than a toddler.

Patrick said: "I do cocaine because I can use it to top up the heroin. They call it 'snowballing'. It just gives you a better and longer high. I had done everything before cocaine. Cannabis, Ecstasy, glue, whatever. It was cocaine and then crack. It's like all drugs here – there's loads of it and it's cheap. And of course, there's the bevvy too. It all helps you just get steamin'."

Patrick does not know how much he spends each week on cocaine, but he funds his habit in one of two ways: either shoplifting or simply "ripping off" other users.

He said: "It is simple. It's me or them. They'd do it to me and so I do it to them first. I spend everything I have on gear and will do anything I can to get it.

"You can get coke in Glasgow for as little as £40 a gram if you know who to deal with and they know you."

A glut in the market

The global deluge of cocaine is being fuelled by record harvests in South American countries led by Columbia, Bolivia and Peru, despite a $5bn US government-sponsored campaign to destroy the crops.

Between them, according to the US Department of Justice's National Drug Threat Assessment 2008, they produced 970 metric tonnes of pure cocaine last year.

The processing of the coca leaves is carried out using hydrochloric acid in a sophisticated laboratory system. Once ready, the drugs destined for Europe are usually shipped out of Venezuela hidden amid legal cargo on its way across the Atlantic to Spain or Portugal.

The Iberian peninsula is now Europe's main recipient of cocaine from the South American cartels. It is then transported overland, mainly by truck across the English Channel and into the UK.

Although there is no actual shortage of high-purity cocaine in Britain, the dealers make the drug even more available, and profitable, by "cutting" it with other, cheaper materials, including benzene, aspirin, dog-worming tablets and bicarbonate of soda.

It means a single kilo of cocaine can, when mixed with other ingredients, double in weight. A "wholesale" kilo will sell for around £35,000, but when adulterated with other substances, profits can more than treble.

A single wrap currently costs around £50. This can then be divided into up to 10 lines.

The dangers

THE dangers of mixing cocaine and alcohol have only become evident in recent years as scientists have analysed their impact on long-term users.

The main risk is caused by a chemical called cocaethylene, which is produced by the liver when a mix of the two substances is taken.

Cocaethylene is believed to increase by 24 times the possibility of a user suffering a heart attack, but it also has another harmful effect: it enables users to consume up to three times more alcohol than they usually could yet still remain relatively 'sober'.

This means that an individual who was already high as a result of taking cocaine would drink much more alcohol, greatly increasing the potential for violence.

A recent report by the campaign group Glasgow Council on Alcohol focused on the risks of combining cocaine and drink, and concluded they are potentially lethal within a relatively short period of time

A one-time cocaine addict, who now works for Cocaine Anonymous in Glasgow, said: "If you have seen the current TV advert with the guy who has been drinking, trying to show off to the girls and who ends up plunging from the scaffolding, that is what combining coke and drink does. That is just what it makes you feel like. You can do anything, take on anyone. You are number one."

LEADER: A new line on coke



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Douglas,

Bathgate 17/02/2008 00:40:27
Addicts should be made to register for a £10.00 permit to allow them to consume their drug of choice.
Apparently it'll work for smokers so why not?
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 17/02/2008 01:19:05
I doubt very much that,

"ONE in 10 Scottish teenagers over the age of 16 is now taking cocaine"

Its Total..'Bulls***',!

Where are the facts for this assumed figure,?

'SHOCK-HORROR-PROBE', Is that what the aim is,?

STOP ATTACKING OUR TEENS..!!
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 17/02/2008 01:21:42
Your the 'Loony' Brigade,! NOT Them,!
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brian mcc,

the arctic 17/02/2008 02:02:56
When the drug comes in contact with nasal passages, the affect is immediate. Only hope your teen has enough sense to recognize the danger.

If not, it will consume him/her.
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John Blackley,

Winter Garden, FL 17/02/2008 02:07:09
Well, can somebody tell me more about these "two surveys compiled by police and by drugs, health and education experts"?

For a start, tell me that something's been done by a "something-or-other-expert" and my skepticism kicks in quickly. For another thing, I want to know what form these surveys took. Did they go out and question teenagers? "'scuse me sonny boy but do you now or have you ever done Colombian Marching Powder?"

Teenager (not wanting to look either a liar or uncool in front of the local hottie), "Me? Oh aye! Ah dae it at least three times a week, me. Me an the boys club thegither and buy it wholesale, know whit ah mean?"

In fact, if the numbers reported in this story are true, I can only regard it as Darwinism in action.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 17/02/2008 02:16:53
Look! I am getting Furious! about, everyone thinking that our Teens are nothing more than, a load of Drug Taking, Alcoholic Mob.
Its simply NOT True, and if I was a teen I would take you all to court and sue the lot of you!
For unjust allegation's!
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Sgurr,

17/02/2008 02:21:07
This drug sounds like its really cool and edgy...will try some next chance I get.
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Oor_Wullie,

ma_bucket_fulla_Coke 17/02/2008 02:25:42
The "numbers" quoted are complete horse**** - have to agree with Charles here, 13.2 % (with 10% + in the last year) would be a dubiously inflated figure for cannabis users, nevermind Cocaine. These figures are, with the application of common sense along with the personal experience of anyone who has ever used any form of drugs whatsoever, undoubtedly utter rabble-rousing BS and I would caution all newspapers and media against further unquestioning usage of such.

That there exists a drug usage problem amongst youth is not at question, that there is apparently an even bigger problem amongst "professionals" inflating usage figures for their own ends (for whatever reason) should be self-evident to even the casual reader here. The dangers of crying Wolf over the exact levels of drug usage cannot be overstated and the results of such "surveys", which appear lacking in any serious metholodogy whatsoever, should definitely be subject to stricter examination before general release and public media usage than appears to have been the case here.

@rigel - seek professional advise mate, seriously..
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thewitness,

17/02/2008 02:49:36
The people who came up with this propaganda need to be removed from their job, 1st thing on Monday morning, get your coat! I agree with #10 Charles, our teenagers are something we should all be proud of unlike our loser, lying, corrupt political leaders and the dodgy "think tank, social do (propaganda) gooder" groups.

We need to get rid of the creeping communist culture in Scotland. Anyone in public life who steps out of line, pushes propaganda or wastes public resources needs to be put on warning, if you waste public money or spin lies, you will be out the door, period!
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Ross Fyffe,

Scotland 17/02/2008 04:39:27
yet when I ask that every single school pupil is randomly drug tested three times per term people think I am mad ..................
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ghost chaser,

accross the pond 17/02/2008 05:32:49
i realize the idea of your ( scotland ) teenagers using cocaine is difficult for some of you to except, the truth be told. here in the U.S.A. cocaine has been a tragic introduction since the 1980's fast lane life style. back then it was expensive and out of the price range for all but the wealthy. since then cocaine or crack is very cheap and it has become an epidemic in especially the inner city poor. and yes unfortunately most young people here have tried it at least once in their life time. as a parent i will not hide my head under a rock and think my children wouldn't be tempted to try what their fellow teens are doing. i would hope that the morals that i have instilled in them will keep them from trying that c**p. it is true what educators say, do talk to your teens and listen to what they say.
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Very Rev Ian Paisley,

17/02/2008 07:02:02
Sadly, I have very little reason not believe the figures. Remembering my teens in the early 90's, those not smoking pot or dabbling with amphetamines or laterly ectasy, were in the minority.
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Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 17/02/2008 07:04:28
All such drugs should be available through self-financing NHS clinics. This will cut out the barons and pushers. This, in turn, will remove such pressures from youngsters.

Reciprocally, the punishment for selling and using drugs outside of this system must become Draconian.
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Amani_Bunduki,

Canberra 17/02/2008 07:27:04
*cough* another "victory" for the war on drugs...
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fife runner,

17/02/2008 07:39:36
#3 my son 15 tells me drugs are freely available at his school. It is not an attack on teenagers but letting us know in their vulnerable years when most begin the habits like smoking, they are at risk. It should also be a lesson for parents to watch out. Having spoken with some of my son's friends parents they are definitely ignorant about the issue and admit as much. I was probably lucky that I was able to work voluntarily with addicts and HIV+ suffers for a number of years and gleaned first hand the issues.
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Trade-wind,

USA 17/02/2008 08:05:40
#2 get your head out of the sand. Either you are a drug user or you are ignorant of just how available this durg is. Were you a kid. When you were what did you do.
Now equate that to todays kid and add the drugs to the mix. Would they, will they, you damned right they would , will, and do. So don't think this is bull***t.
I suppose you would rather sit back and wait till it all turns to s**t before you would have anybody in authority do something and by that time Scotland will have lost another generation. Wake up man.
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Bob Brundige,

Springfield, KY USA 17/02/2008 08:23:15
Doggone it Scotland, first it's children lying around the streets drunk, now they're all snorting toot, to boot. Are they this bored and disparaged? It doesn't sound very good at all. Children need hope and something to look forward to. Hedonism and sensationalism are decadent goals that adults should rethink about their own futures, as well.
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ghost chaser,

on the other side of the pond 17/02/2008 08:26:52
realistically it is a universal problem, a problem that will not be solved by the legalization of elicit drugs or by laws that are suppose to make it tougher on the dealers or the users. people are going to use if they want.
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA...bye Bush -Cheney..u. evil leaders. 17/02/2008 08:30:55
Dudes,

Moderation is the name of the game......

My friends and I in our college days did shrooms, and since then, we continue to enjoy shrooms. We do not do marijuana, cocaine, heroin etc. We drink wine in moderation at times.

During our teens in HS, we did marijuana and drunk cheap beer. All that stopped when we went on to college.
So we started on shrooms since they were in our opinion more safe than all other drugs including booze, yet shrooms produce great trips inside the mind.

If we had gone with cocaine or crack-c , or similar hard drugs I don't know what the result would be for us.

Shrooms can be used in cooking all types of dishes, and my favorite is a vega omelet. All natural ingredients. Not forgetting ground sea-salt and red/green peppers.

GC








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Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 17/02/2008 08:30:56
#27 Bob B.

'1 in 10 are' also means that '9 in 10 aren't'! Cheer up. We don't believe that all US universities are mad gunmen-ridden death traps even if some have been now and again. Most Scots kids are wonderful, just like most US kids.
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ghost chaser,

on the other side of the pond 17/02/2008 08:31:30
#27 children do need hope and something to look forward to , but it always comes down to funding.
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ghost chaser,

on the other side of the pond 17/02/2008 08:35:02
#29 we are practically neighbors ( san diego )
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ghost chaser,

17/02/2008 08:40:50
# 30 great optimism 9-in 10 are sober .and that should say a whole lot about scotland
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Erse,

Middle East 17/02/2008 09:13:54
#s 2, 3, 10 & 12 you need to open your eyes to what is going on out there!

I am really surprised at how low the numbers are. When I was a teenager in the 80s everyone I knew was smoking cannabis and drinking (great days!) and we went to an average school in an average town. When I went to college and later on university everyone I knew was taking drugs of some sort usually cannabis, speed and E (University in the 90s!). One of the main reasons both myself and others didn't take more drugs at the time was money! We could only afford a little bit of cannabis a week and a little speed now and again.

Now if kids today can get a hold of cocaine for a fiver a time they are going to do so and it's not just your schemey neds we're talking about here it's average teenagers doing well in schools, colleges and universities. I would not be surprised if the actual figure isn't more like 25-40%.
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Gothic Rose,

17/02/2008 09:14:39
29#GC Goodmorning Precious,I shall stick with Chocolate Truffles.:)
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yockel,

17/02/2008 09:18:45
Why do so many US posters want us to believe there is a problem?
If they want the stuff give it to them free in huge quantities with plenty cheap booze.
It is 35 years since I was offered cocaine (free) didn't tkae it then and don't take it now. If your life is so screwed up you need the stuff the drug isn't the problem.
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africanj,

Yokohama, Japan 17/02/2008 09:19:35
Noteworthy, only colleges and universities? City Centre urban shopping mall is another reason for the youth drugs and extended neighbourhood social problem. Shopping goodies and Carmel,CA.
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA...bye Bush -Cheney..u. evil leaders. 17/02/2008 09:57:51

Gothic Rose,
17/02/2008 09:14:39

29#GC Goodmorning Precious,

Hey Dude I love ur greeting, made me laugh a lot.

Bye the way choc. truffles are delicious , but next time stuff a shroom into one, then sit back and enjoy an amazing experience.

Unless u want to ape the masses or a New Zealand sheep, and live life of "follow the leader"........BORING..BORING

GC
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Mcsnagpile,

17/02/2008 10:04:16
Why do I think there must be something wrong with me because I have never seen anybody taking drugs and nobody has ever offered to sell me drugs?? The only drugs I have taken in my life have been prescribed and purely medicinal. Hey, I am perfectly happy do not need anti depressants or tranquilizers.

I ask myself this question because the media think you must be a moron, if you have not snorted a lot of origin unknown crap up your nose. That you have not ingested something supplied by a monkey, and possibly spent some time inside somebody’s anus.


Maybe I was born with a London Bobby’s mammary hat. At least it is only on my head.
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yockel,

17/02/2008 10:10:39
#39 Mcsnagpile, yep you have to wonder how absolutely fantastic the celebrity lifestyle is when they have to take all this sh1t to escape from it.
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Hilary,

Edinburgh 17/02/2008 10:34:17
First, is there any chance that the Scotsman group could learn to spell COLOMBIA properly..?

After that, stick these little smart-ar**s from Aviemore and the like in front of Alex James' Panorama programme from Colombia, to see just how cool buying this stuff is for the families there who are getting exploited and murdered to keep bored Scottish teenagers in jollies...
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Gothic Rose,

17/02/2008 10:42:30
Well I reported[a first for me]Rigel`s comments as unsuitable.However, in thier wisdom "The Scotsman" sees fit to,continue promotion.Fair enough,"Tacky is as Tacky does".Or not as is the case today.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 17/02/2008 11:44:24
Trade-wind @#26,
Neither am I stupid nor,..
'came-up-the-Clyde-in-a-banana-boat'
Are you intouch with our teens..??
I doubt it!
Well let me tell you Sir..'I AM'!!
While YES drugs ARE available to them, the majority don't take them and have the sense not to take them!
Teens DO go on to university or work in our community if they were a drug taking mob, we would not see many teens as I do, going on to be valuable members of our society!
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Patrick O'Shaunnessy,

17/02/2008 11:49:31
Since the earliest times, humans have sought to use a variety of substances which alter the state of mind.
As a species, perhaps it would serve us all better if we simply came to terms with the fact that 'man' has an innate desire to use substances for this purpose, instead of legislatures burying their heads in the sand to this undeniable fact.

It is rank hypocracy for governments to rifle through the wallets of smokers and drinkers, and yet to lock people up for having half a dozen ecstacy tablets in their pocket, have them submerged in social workers, make them feel that they are doing something subversive whenin fact they are doing something which is perfectly natural : getting high.

The only reason we bother to procreate is because nature rewards us with an exhilerating thrill...nature knows that deep within the human psyche, there is an overwhelming desire for supreme exhiliration.

It is abnormal not to seek it.
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Patrick O'Shaunnessy,

17/02/2008 12:37:43
Why is there a war against drugs ? It's like having a war against farting.

It is a war against ourselves, against our own nature.

If you look close enough, it is hard to resist the conclusion that it is not drugs themselves that cause all the social ills that judges often refer to before they ruin someone's life by locking them up for 'x' years...it is the fact that certain drugs are illegal that causes all the problems.

These days, we sneer at the 'war on homosexuality', dismissing that period in history as a phase western democracies went through, and how sophisticated we are now.

But today, the criminal courts are ruining other people's lives just as they used to Oscar Wilde and the like.

It's that 'maiden aunt' view that infests public policy, and boy she takes her time to come round to a sensible way of thinking, but only after she's ruined thousands of lives.

Kick the bag out !

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Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 17/02/2008 12:49:09
#47, excellent post. Totally agree!
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Mensa George,

Washington, DC 17/02/2008 12:57:33
How interesting, I always fancied it as a warm weather drug. Blasting about in the convertable on a summer evening, though recently I heard of disadvantaged youths taking it in public parking garages. Your youth seem sponges for bad habits from around the world.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

17/02/2008 13:00:05
29. An advert for shrooms and the claim they have no degenerative impact on the mind?
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danielrober,

17/02/2008 13:26:58
If this one in ten figure is correct, then we have a serious problem.

Maybe now is the time to legalise and regulate, after 60 years of failure in drug limiation programs. Maybe in the same way Russia is supporting the alternative of beer to vodka, we can do the same with drugs here.

We really need to lok at new solutions to this problem. The old ways of the last 60 years are simply nt working. After all it was only a few mnths ago that a number of Ministers admited to taking 'soft drugs@ a University. Lets just get these people to pay tax and use the money to rehabilitate hard drug users.
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danielrober,

17/02/2008 13:30:34
# 29 GalacticCannibal,Murrieta, CA...

I would like to hear any ideas that you have?

Actually there are a lot of us here in the UK now, WHO DON NOT TAKE DRUGS, think you guys should just pay the tax and be left alone.

Soon i'm going have to explain to my kids why there grandparents generation liked to lite up (and probablystill do). It would just be easier if they paid tax.
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 17/02/2008 13:39:51
Charles Linskaill

Good morning, Charles.

Charles, Charles, Charles. FOR GOD'S SAKE, calm down or you will give yourself a hernia or a coronary.

Gothic Rose

You never call ME "precious". I feel left out.

For Valentine's day I got a BIG box of Neuhaus (Belgium) truffles from an admirer.

THere are still one or two left.

Some of my friends practically inhaled them and when they cost $4 each they have to be VERY GOOD and ACQUIESCENT friends to get MY "goodies".
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Tobytoo,

Southington, Ct. 17/02/2008 15:51:08
#29 GC Please excuse my ignorance but what exactly are Shrooms?. I can only think of Mushrooms since you talk about cooking with them but I eat them and they do nothing to my mind so I think that you must be referring to something else.
53

Gothic Rose,

17/02/2008 15:58:30
38#GC.Whats wrong with New Zealand sheep?What harm have they done to you.Fluffy creatures,like Pandas.Stop calling thier name, in vain!
54

Gothic Rose,

17/02/2008 16:00:03
53#Tw.As for you! words fail me!
55

glaswegian at heart,

florida usa 17/02/2008 16:21:46
the problem not confined to Scottish kids and it is more than illegal drugs .parents need to keep a close watch on their own pain presciption meds.That is a big problem here in this State and in fact the whole country.
56

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 17/02/2008 16:29:37
That picture looks awfully like Wendy Alexander.
57

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA...bye Bush -Cheney..u. evil leaders. 17/02/2008 16:29:52
50
Ayrshire Scot™,

WRONG dude.
All I did was to state facts about myself and my friend's behavior regarding the use of shrooms .

We have never or would ever persuade others to engage in any drugs, including the monster legal drugs like Alcohol and Nicotine.

Chill Dude.

GC
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 17/02/2008 16:51:30
Well I was out all over sunny Edinburgh today, with DYW.
We saw many teens out and about and NOT one of them looked..'out their skull' on drugs!
Not even 1..in..10.!
Why the constant attacking them,?..is it some kinda jealousy or somid,?

'BOO-HOO' IM NO YOUNG ANYMORE!...is that it!,?
Yes we also know some that take drugs, we live in an area where this is rife, but again the figure is no where near 1..in..10.
59

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA...bye Bush -Cheney..u. evil leaders. 17/02/2008 17:05:42
54
Tobytoo,
Southington, Ct.
---------------------------------------

Hey Dude ,
Rather me give u my take on Shrooms,check out this web site and then make up ur own mind.

This is a scientific study done on MM's at a prestigious medical center here in the US.

http://www.medicineonline.com/news/12/5180/-Magic-Mushroom-Drug-Study-Probes-Science-Spirituality.html

GC
60

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 17/02/2008 17:15:22
56 Gothic Rose

So, words fail you with regard to my posting. I seem to have that affect on people because they cannot keep up with my very imaginative wit,witticism, and flights of fancy.

Since words fail you at present let's not hold our breath because dearest GC has something to say on everything, don't you dearest one?
61

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA...bye Bush -Cheney..u. evil leaders. 17/02/2008 17:16:43
55
Gothic Rose,
17/02/2008 15:58:30
38#GC.Whats wrong with New Zealand sheep?What harm have they done to you.
-----------------------------------------------
Nothing and Nothing Dude,

But on a visit to the North and South Islands of NZ , I was taken by the manner and behavior of the 70 million sheep there . By comparison NZ has just 4 million people.

When the lead sheep went BAHA all those following in the flock went BAHA.

Its mass flock control, like Religion is mass crowd control.

And don't call me precious . I am not Ur precious, but I maybe precious (temporarily) to my new girl friend.

Hey GR do U know why February is called Black people's celebration month in the US .

Why not have WHITE people's celebration month here . And expand the racist divide in our country.

Chill Dude and be HAPPY.

GC

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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA...bye Bush -Cheney..u. evil leaders. 17/02/2008 17:27:41
52
danielrober,
17/02/2008 13:30:34

Hey Dude look up this web site.

http://www.freevibe.com/Drug_Facts/index.asp?id=google

Its complicated but has some reasonable guide lines on effects of all commonly used drugs.

Also look and listen at Lenny trying to tell his girl friend how to walk . after he eat a shroom.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QY2TECamlWA&feature=related

Notice He's very happy if not silly, with NO aggression . like he would have , had he got blitzed on booze.

Stay happy Dude.

GC

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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 17/02/2008 17:30:17
Gothic Rose, you appear to be the talking point today, just a couple 'O' points, them removed comment were diabolical and blasphemous.
Hope you are keeping well and I know you can,
'Hold your own' on these comment pages.
So me just watch, our Tim and GC, kinda like all 3 off you! :-D
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 17/02/2008 18:30:15
65 Charles Linskaill

How gracious and kind of you to say that about Gothic Rose and myself.

I return the sentiments.

Hope you and yours are having a relaxing evening.
65

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 17/02/2008 19:37:08
Tim @#66,

"Hope you and yours are having a relaxing evening."

I wish we were Tim, but its manic round here, because DYW is trying to complete final of childcare course, to which I help her with!, but it keeps me active and was my choice to be in this situation today,
Don't get me wrong..I love it and DYW and who would think at my age, I would be studying childcare,?

I think we are all about the same age group here albeit GC comes across younger, I love his banter and comments

Life choices,?
Well Tim if like me, when a teen Drugs were on offer and around, we were in situations where we were offered them, or try them, but even after maybe a trail I had NO interest in them, and would
'steer-clear' of the company that used them!
Were you the same Tim.?
Maybe the way we were brought-up has major influences on this,
If I had 'followed the pack' I would not be writing this now, morelike 6feet under!
I think not much change now for our teens, they make choices and I doubt..they all 'follow the pack' and take drugs!
Drink on the otherhand is a different story...the all like a drink!
And will obtain it no matter what!
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danielrober,

17/02/2008 20:12:16
# 64 GalacticCannibal,Murrieta, CA

Thanks for the links. As for happy my kids are pacticing pubsongs, so we're all happy for now. What i was more interested in, is how you think buying 'whatever' from from a shop and paying taxes on them, would go down in your community. Your well educated and unliley to be persuaded by some government campaign.

So what do you guys want? Try just saying it, you just don't know who'll be reading this article.

Our streets are not crowded out with teens lossing the plot, not yet. SO lets have some advice to avoid this please? We're listening.
67

Kipling,

@DoomRay News Bureau 17/02/2008 22:04:36
NOT JUST SERIOUS HEALTH PROBLEMS BUT A DYING NATURAL ENVIRONMENT: THE CONSQUENCES OF COCAINE PRODUCTION:
I'm only surprised noone has mentioned the damage done by cocaine production to the environment. For every cocaine addict or occasional user you might well kill off a river or (as someone else said) shoot a rare jungle animal.

See:
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-17369726.html
and
http://usinfo.state.gov/gi/Archive/2003/Jun/08-632478.html

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Amparo de Glasgow,

17/02/2008 22:10:50
Put aw the junkies oan a boat ...
... take it oot past Rockall
... then make them swin hame.

Aw naw wait ... that would decimate
... the Dole Offices in Glasgow
... no junkie giros to process
... sacked Civil Servants @ the Dole Office
... lots of unemployed Civil Servants
... with families to feed

Nahh let's give the Buroo Office Civil Servants a pay-rise
... and give the junkies an extra £30 a week to get zonked oot
... that way less awkward
... working class scum concerned about politics
... yea give them their
... shut-up and get stoned cash
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Sambo,

The deep south 17/02/2008 23:05:26
One question I have is: Where do the teens in the article get the money to buy the narcotics especially the one who lives in Balloch?
Also every time I read a blog from the GC it reminds me of Sean Penn who portrayed a mindless character in "Fast times at Richmond High". The resemblance is uncanny as both seem to mirror the liberal irresponsible thinking of many Californians.
70

worldtreker,

johnstone 17/02/2008 23:53:19
suprisingly the glut of drugs has had no effect on users here in singapore-perhaps because the dealers are deceased-having been hung at the end of a rope following a short trial and appeal process.
think i will just stay here with low tax,and no drugs.
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA...bye Bush -Cheney..u. evil leaders. 17/02/2008 23:59:38
72
Sambo,
The deep south

Dude U wrote:

The resemblance is uncanny as both seem to mirror the liberal irresponsible thinking of many Californians.
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Oh yeh .Well try this on Dude.
Your state does not appear on any level of International country status.

My State California if it were a country, would rank # 6 or #7 as the World Richests and most efficient countries.

So mush for you biggotted opinion Dude .
So enjoy the hot steamy humid South like Alabama. Dude.

GC
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Trade-wind,

USA 18/02/2008 01:49:20
# 43I'm glad your intouch with the youth of Scotland.
Sounds like you don't mind losing 10 percent of them though, as long as you save 90 percent. Good for the 9 out of ten that don't but you better worry about the one that does. He may be the one marrying your daughter or someone elses. He may also be the one that gets your son or daughter to start using. Do you know what pier preasure is and how it works. For a smart man that is in touch with Scotlands teens sure sounded like you are satisfied because some aren't using. Well the glass may be half full in your opinion, but what if your wrong?
In a case of this nature it is better to error on the side of caution than to throw it to the wind.
What color was that boat anyway.
73

Friend-at-large,

Seattle but I used to go to Lake Elsinore a lot, n 18/02/2008 11:27:13
#44 Patrick O'Shaunnessy states that seeking a high is normal. I believe he is right--people have been getting intoxicated for centuries. The gamut of substances used is amazing and demonstrates human ingenuity.

Meditation has been touted as a consciousness expansion technique but it requires some effort, so I think it won't catch on widely.

Why not let people grow their own?

High school home economics classes could have lessons on marijuana cultivation, etc., and then after harvest, there could be cooking classes: marijuana brownies and a 'shrooms omelet contest. After consuming these delicacies, the students could go to the drama department so their antics could be filmed and posted on YouTube. The sciences would have to be scheduled for the morning, of course.

Years ago I knew a chemistry major who wanted to make THC. I wonder how he is doing. Is he worrying about his childrens' drug use?

I would like to read an article discussing what is done to help people live a satisfying life without harmful drugs or excessive alcohol consumption.

Galactic Cannibal reminds us, "Moderation."
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Theo,

Richmond 18/02/2008 18:00:17
I REALIZE THIS MIGHT BE A HARD THING TO SWALLOW BUT I FEEL ALL STREET TYPE DRUGS SHOULD BE MADE LEGAL AND CONTROLLED BY THE STATE FOR DISTRIBUTION. THE ATTACHMENT IS THAT THOSE WHO COME TO THESE LEGAL LOCATIONS MUST ALSO RECEIVE NON-COMMENDATION COUNSELING. THIS WAY THE PERSON IS ASSURED OF A SAFE DRUG AND IN EXCHANGE HELP TO END THEIR ABUSE.
I realize this is hard to accept but we will never, repeat, never win the war on drugs. it was not won with prohibition,firearms control and now drug control.
The loss to the economy by druggies stealing from us is, I am sure is more than the cost to legally supply and control this cancer which is eating away from our society.
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rpollock,

Glasgow 18/02/2008 18:54:07
whats the problem, Its just another drug that has the potential to kill a small %of the people who choose to use it.
The bigger problem of alcohol and tobacco abuse is encouraged by the goverment as they make billions of pound of the tax revenue.
They dont ban them even although they kill more people than all other drugs put together including Heroin.
Perhaps people would pay more attention to the anti drug brigade if the goverment started puting its own house in order first(sort out the Fag and booze)
The goverment states quite clearly that it raises the price of fags and booze to discourage users.Ha ha ha
What a lot of political nonsense they put up the prices knowing full well the people will continue to use them and they rake in more millions as a result.
I would say to any responsible person out there including teenagers to be very carefull with any drug but especially with booze and fags as they are the real killers in todays political world.

many thanks
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Robert Burns,

Ocean Beach (San Diego), CA 19/02/2008 02:46:28
ANYONE AT SCOTSMAN.COM AWAKE?!? My comment of quite some time ago has neither been posted nor censored.
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fife runner,

25/05/2008 10:49:58
hi charles seems you know little about the real world going by your comments both here and about the drink. my son is at a rural secondary school and any amount of drugs are available any time. he has dabbled but is now off them, thankfully. He can get cocaine, cannabis, etc etc. even so called prescription drugs are readily available.

 

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