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Salmond plots first move in Scottish battle to win back Lewis Chessmen



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Published Date:
23 December 2007
FOR six centuries, they lay hidden, their secrets buried within the unblemished sands of the Outer Hebrides.
Now the fate of the ancient Lewis Chessmen – deemed one of the greatest artefacts ever found in Scotland – has become the latest subject in Britain's cross-border political war.

First Minister Alex Salmond will start 2008 with a high-profile campaign to 'repatriate' 82 of the beautiful figurines back to Scotland from their current home in the British Museum in London.

The priceless relics were found on a beach near Uig on the Isle of Lewis in the early 19th century. Historians believe they were probably made in Norway in around 1200AD, and were originally bound for Ireland. But having spent most of their lives buried in Scotland, Salmond insists they should all be returned here.

Last night, yet another clash between his Government and officials in London was looming, after the Department for Culture in London said it had no plans to allow the pieces to be sent to Lewis on anything other than a temporary basis.

The chess pieces are exquisitely carved figurines of seated kings and queens with distinct features, bishops with mitres on their heads and knights mounted on horses. Their distinctive style was copied for a scene in the film Harry Potter And The Philosopher's Stone.

It is thought they were discovered by a local shepherd sometime before 1831, after he stumbled on a small stone chamber about 15ft beneath a sand bank, in which the chessmen were protected.

They were first exhibited in Scotland soon after, but were then quickly split up. Of the 93 pieces, 10 remained in Scotland, while the rest were donated to the British Museum, where they remain.

Another piece has since been added to the Scottish collection, all of which are currently displayed at the Royal Museum in Edinburgh.

Now Salmond wants all the pieces to be reunited north of the Border.

In a speech to Gaelic campaigners last week, Salmond said: "I find it utterly unacceptable that the Lewis Chessmen are scattered around Britain in a bizarre parody of the Barnett Formula. And you can be assured that I will continue campaigning for a united set of Lewis Chessmen in an independent Scotland."

A source close to Salmond said that the First Minister and his team will step up the campaign in coming weeks. He added that plans were being drawn up for the next move in having the priceless relics returned to Scotland.

The source said: "We will take this further in the New Year. We are working on a series of options. We think this is an important matter, because they should be back where they belong and they could be a boost for the Western Isles economy."

The move has been backed by locals in the Outer Hebrides, who believe that the Chessmen could be a valuable tourism money-spinner.

Traditional industries such as fishing, tweed and oil-rig servicing have slumped, and the population has shrunk to 24,000, from more than 30,000 20 years ago. Locals have also hinted that they might settle for something less than all the pieces being in the Isles, or even in Scotland.

Alex MacDonald, convener of the islands council, said: "We welcome this move by Alex Salmond, and it is very significant for us that the First Minister believes that the Chessmen should be returned to the islands. My preference would be for some to be in Edinburgh, some in Stornoway (the islands' capital] and some in Uig, where they were originally found."

Annie MacDonald, a campaigner for the return of the pieces and a councillor for the area of Lewis where they were found, said: "We should have the Uig Chessmen here where they were found. I know they probably originated in Norway, but they were found here and it is because of here that the world knows about them. They would be great for tourism."

But Whitehall has given no sign it will budge in allowing the whole set north of the Border for anything other than an occasional short-term display.

A spokesman for the Department for Culture, Media and Sport said: "By Act of Parliament, the British Museum is forbidden from disposing of any of its assets, and to change that would require primary legislation. We have no plans to do that."

A source added: "The key pointer in this context is that this is the British Museum. That means that it is the repository for items for the whole of the UK. That might not suit Mr Salmond, but that's it."

No one at the British Museum was available for comment.

Feel free to take these

The Scottish 'cultural exports' Alex Salmond would be happy to disown:

1 The Krankies

2 Alan Hansen's football punditry

3 Wet Wet Wet

4 Hogmanay television

5 Shortbread

6 Those "hilarious" See You Jimmy wigs

7 Jack McConnell's Tartan Week kilt

8 Edinburgh Rock

9 The poetry of William Topaz McGonagall

10 Tony Blair

For home and country?

ELGIN MARBLES

The panel of sculptures which originally decorated the outside of the Parthenon in Athens were brought to Britain by the Earl of Elgin in the early 19th century. The Greek government now claims it has both a moral and an artistic claim on the marbles, but the British Museum insists it is keeping them.

LAKOTA SIOUX GHOST SHIRT

The shirt, inset, was housed at the Kelvingrove Museum in Glasgow and was believed to have been worn by a Sioux warrior killed in the 1890 Wounded Knee massacre. It was presented to Glasgow in the late 19th century, but was handed back to the Lakota Sioux Indians after they requested its return.

APHRODITE STATUE

The statue, believed to date back to the 5th century BC, was bought by the Getty Museum in Los Angeles for $18m in 1988. However, Italian authorities claimed it was looted from an ancient Greek settlement in Sicily and the the statue will now be sent back to Italy in 2010.

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  • Last Updated: 22 December 2007 10:42 PM
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1

a proud doonhamer,

Dumfries 23/12/2007 00:14:55
Let me suggest another crumbling relic that should be given permanently to Westminster... the Labour Parody.
2

beckypumps1,

Fife 23/12/2007 00:24:06
Will they be comeing back to Lewis or Edinburgh?
3

Steve,

Bo'ness 23/12/2007 00:31:00
How long before some Labour numpty shows up to accuse him of "picking fights" with London?
4

Mercutio,

FALKIRK 23/12/2007 00:40:58
#2 Some to Edinburgh and some to Lewis "en passant", they will probably leave the Bishops in England.
5

The Spook in Leith,

Leith 23/12/2007 01:08:38
This is not a political stunt by the SNP, it is about bringing our heritage home, just like the conservatives did with the stone of destiny.

6

famous 15,

Edinburgh 23/12/2007 01:20:25
The SNP stand up for Scotland and its heritage. Check mate!
7

Calgacus,

23/12/2007 01:25:57
I'm not sure what point The Scotsman is trying to make with its "hilarious" list of "cultural exports". But, while I notice they included Tony Blair, they didn't quite have the balls to suggest Gordon Brown, or any of his Holyrood lickspittles.
8

Castaway,

23/12/2007 01:52:55
Good move by the Scottish Government.
Isn't the Scottish Museum the repository for items for the whole of Scotland ?

9

Kipling,

@Doom Ray Museum for Science Fiction RayGuns 23/12/2007 02:39:02
Why not send them back to Norway and keep the small stone chamber, of undoubted Scottish lineage.
10

A Better Way,

Edinburgh 23/12/2007 03:21:40
Why not just forget about this little naff at the Department of Numpties in London. We want our property back here in Scotland quicksmart.Who do these London scumbags think they are proclaiming theirselves as the chosen people to keep the Worlds artistic treasures. These treasures will be subject to any Independance matter run by the United Nations. I personally believe that all cultural icons taken by the British Empire be returned to their own countries so that the natives of that country can use them to teach the younger generation about their heritage.

By the looks of the opinion polls it looks like the SNP Scottish Government will be dealing with the Tories after the next elections, which by the way Brown is going wont be that far away.
11

Guga II,

Rockall 23/12/2007 03:30:24
The Lewis chessmen are not the only artifact or document belonging to Scotland that has been stolen or just taken by the English. They should all be returned to Scotland, just as the Elgin Marbles should be returned to Greece. The British Museum is a treasure trove of stolen property.

While we are at it, what about St. Margaret's Rood? When are we going to get that returned to Scotland. It is, I believe, in Durham cathedral. It was stolen from Scotland and should be returned, forthwith.
12

Wisnaeme,

23/12/2007 04:06:19
A recently widely reported story in the media about the concern the Russian government had over the exhibition of some paintings in the UK caused them to threaten the cancellation of the exhibition. Possible legal disputes over the ownership of some of the painting ,they cited. Or so they say.

A labour government Minister said in words to the effect, " Nae problem, we'll just enact another law against that sort of thing."

Did this article mention the Elgin marbles? Indeed, it did.

...and the Lewis Chessmen? indeed.

So the Labour carpetbaggers are going to ensure that the myth that possession is nine tenths of the law with regard to ownership? Apparently so.

What did the spokesman for the Department of Culture, Media and Sport say again? Aye, and we'll pass a few more laws just to make sure of it.

It is one thing to have a stushie over some valuable culture that some folk are reluctant to give back to their rightful place. It is quite another to steal a country and its assets for three hundred years. Aye, usury has a whole different meaning in importance then.

Nae problem says the Labour unionist we'll just make laws against its return to its rightful owners.
13

Auckland Arab2,

23/12/2007 04:26:59
Agree with the comments above - the British museum is full of "booty" stolen or otherwise appropriated from various locales around the globe. Just because they have looked after these articles well doesn't alter the fact that they do not belong there. The Elgin marbles are stunning but were the Greeks swindled out of these? How did the chess men end up there? Does that really matter? There is enough historical treasure in England that they do not in fact need any of these things, much of which is probably lying in the vaults of the British Museum and not even on show. Not making a party political point here but why do they have mummies and all that sort of stuff there anyway? Surely they belong in Egypt - the British Museum (or future English Museum) should focus on English History and stop pretending it is some pseudo "World" Museum.
14

donald,

glasgow 23/12/2007 06:31:58
Glasgow Labour Cooncil demands that Elgin gets its marbles back.
15

Nikostratos,

23/12/2007 07:32:59
Why don't the snp offer to buy them i hear they got £5000 spare.
16

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 23/12/2007 08:08:38
These artifacts are NOT Scottish. Made in Norway, on their way to Ireland, doesn't make them Scottish. Mind you, they're not even British, either. Stand by for some Vikings to stake a claim.
17

Ayrshire Scot™ ,

23/12/2007 08:39:48
When is Salmond going to start sorting out real issues like knife crime, falling literacy rates etc?

Instead he wants to waste time picking fights with Westminster over Norwegian chess pieces.

I despair.
18

Roy,

Erskine 23/12/2007 09:05:59
This is a case for Ian Hamilton, Kay Mathieson, Gavin Vernon and Alan Stuart.
19

BK,

Cyberspace 23/12/2007 09:26:11
Bring back the chessmen to Lewis and the marbles to Elgin!
20

tartan army 2222,

23/12/2007 09:26:26
17 AS

He's already started on crime (500 new officers - would have been 1,000 if it hadn't been for the trams). Health - free prescription charges, keeping A&Es opens. Do you want me to go on. At least give us a chance before complaining. I would bet that it depresses you every time the SNP introduce another new excellent initiative - because you care more about the union than you care about Scotland and its people.

The fact is that the chessmen were found in Scotland (whether or not they're Norwegian is a complete irrelevance). The Stone of Destiny is not thought to be Scottish - would you want to return that to its 'rightful owners'?

Can't see them being given up easily, as it opens a Pandora's Box re the Elgin Marbles and other looted items which other countries have a far greater claim on than we do the chessmen.

#8 Castaway

In theory, and usually the very best of the items are shown or stored by them for reasons of security. Many, however, are on 'permanent' loan. I assume this would happen with the chessmen.
21

Bob Christie,

Fiefdom of Broon 23/12/2007 09:48:48
We must not forget the god-given right of the British Museum to be the repository of all the ill-gotten gains plundered by our colonialist lords and masters in Westminster from every corner of the planet. The museum would empty overnight if all the STOLEN booty was returned.
Now that IS a worthwhile thought. Good Luck Eck.
22

Slippylizard,

Cold Rock 23/12/2007 09:52:35
Is this really the extent of drivel Alex Salmond will go to? Are there not slightly more important issues at present? We need to get the future of Scotland sorted out before we spend too long in the past. I'm sure there are bits and bobs in Scottish intstitutions that "belong" elsewhere.
23

Ken Mac,

Glasgow 23/12/2007 09:55:19
The chessmen should come home. They belong here. As part of the British museum they are a small, insignificant exhibit. Their impact on Lewis would be far greater and bring economic benefit. Wheres AM2 to tell us it's an SNP plot to stir up a fight with Westminster?
24

Ayrshire Scot™ ,

23/12/2007 10:03:22
Spot on SlippyLizard. Spot on.
25

Steve Ev,

Malta 23/12/2007 10:03:36
Good Luck
26

Ayrshire Scot™ ,

23/12/2007 10:07:02
#20 yes keeping A&E's open but closing cancer wards.

Are you seriously suggesting that the 500 missing police is because of the trams?
27

Boy Wonder,

23/12/2007 10:17:31
Well, Alex keeps on proving he is nobody's "pawn"! And one fine "knight" he'll get the Chessmen back. He's already shown he's into "artificial castling" and has a "bad Bishop" in Wendy in the Opposition ranks.

It's a bit like "Blindfold Chess" at Holyrood, But I'm betting on Alex to go the "Bronstein's Delay"!
28

Calum Crubag,

23/12/2007 10:24:52
At least most of the pieces should be returned to Leodhas to sit in Museum nan Eilean. It might just boost tourism and if only by a little then it would be worth it.

Labour can send Wendy to London in return.

Thoir na Fir Taileisg air ais dhuinn, sa bhad!
29

idee fixe,

R.U.I.N.S.RefsUndueInfluenceNeedsStopping !! 23/12/2007 10:31:40
Hey Scotland on Sunday you`ve forgot to allow comments on the football pages!!!
30

nell from falkirk,

23/12/2007 10:47:33
The British Museum is a fat greedy dragon sitting on its hoard of ill-gotten booty.
The nonsense about "it is forbidden to dispose of any of its assets" is just that, nonsense. All it takes is an Act of Parliament, which would undoubtedly be passed if the British Museum requested it of the Government.
But they won't, will they?

Because if they Lewis Chessmen were to be returned, it would immediately open the doors for all the erstwhile owners of the Elgin Marbles, countless Egyptian exhibits, not to mention some one million-plus Islamic artefacts, plundered from around the globe to demand their property back.

Leaving the British Museum with a great deal of empty space!
31

Archie, Gourock,

23/12/2007 11:00:07
Start with the oil, Alex.

This website is unusable.
32

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 23/12/2007 11:11:07
#32 Archie. Ths website is unusable? So, you'vr used it to prove your point? Weird.

Also, there is no oil in the British Museum. Plenty of sleaze, but no oil.

Finally, the chess men are NOT Scottish. Finders are not keepers.
33

Pilrig,

Livingston 23/12/2007 11:24:07
They should be returned to Lewis. why should artefacts be automatically placed in Edinburgh ?

There was the nonsense of the Dupplin Cross removed from it's splendid location on a hillside overlooking Forteviot, and planked at an entrance to the Museum of Scotland in Chamber Street. It looked out of place to say the least. Happy to report that this magnificent stone cross has been returned to Strathearn
34

John S,

23/12/2007 11:49:40
It would be no problem for the BM to return the Lewis Chessmen to Scotland because this would be within the same sovereign nation from where they were found in the first place whereas the return of the Elgin Marbles to Greece, the Rosetta Stone to Egypt etc would be between different nations and is a different matter waiting to be resolved.
35

S MacLeod,

23/12/2007 12:30:46
"Department for Culture in London said it had no plans to allow the pieces to be sent to Lewis on anything other than a temporary basis."

Department of ass-pipes more like.
36

Robbierunciman,

Romney Marsh 23/12/2007 12:31:14
How many people will see them in Edinburgh or Lewis compared to London? - answer, not many!

If the only reason to bring them back to Scotland is tacky politics and money grubbing tourism, then London is the best place for them to remain. London is the capital of our nation and the exhibts in national museums there, particularly THE BRITISH MUSEUM, should reflect all parts of the UK.

Remember they were only found in Scotland, not made there. How many elephants wander the banks of loch lomand? They were made and preumably arrived in Lewis at a time when it was part of a nordic empire - perhaps if they need to 'go home' it should be to Copenhagen. Afer all, it is the cultural centre of the world they were made in.

If they were on display in scotland and the museum in london did not want them, I imagine that Salmond would be accusing the musum of a bias against scottish culture.

37

tartan army 2222,

23/12/2007 13:06:48
39 Robbie

If it were purely about people seeing objects then objects would only ever be shown in major museums. We have to take into account cultural issues - in this case that being that it is more important that 10 Scots see the pieces than 100 American tourists. They are a part of our heritage (made here or not.

You imply also that Salmond is looking for a fight. I would argue he is standing up for Scotland's rights. If we want to look for those picking fights then look no further than the Labour-controlled Scotland Office.
38

S MacLeod,

23/12/2007 13:28:19
39 Robbie

"How many elephants wander the banks of loch lomand?"

btw, lomand is in Canada.
39

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 23/12/2007 13:54:24
Let Greeks, Lewisians, etc be content with identical repros. Most us couldn't tell the difference and the BM is a very safe place and more people can see them there. When we in Uig the other day we were alone!
40

Roger Thomas,

Blairgworie 23/12/2007 14:22:38
Try Marching Mystery by Dougie Maclean off the album Marching Mystery. Though he has 78 pieces.

PS While on the subject of things being in Edinburgh. Scone would like it's Stone back, please.
41

Roger Thomas,

Blairgowrie 23/12/2007 14:30:45
39 Robbierunciman

"tacky politics and money grubbing tourism"

Is that also building a hotel etc on Scotland's unspoilt coastline?
42

Roger Thomas,

Blairgowrie 23/12/2007 14:31:38
39 Robbierunciman

"tacky politics and money grubbing tourism"

Is that also building a hotel etc on Scotland's unspoilt coastline?
43

Frere Jacques,

Glasgow 23/12/2007 14:41:22
40-why is it so important that Scots see the Lewis chessmen? They're not Scottish-they're Norweigan. If you wanted to repatriate them to the most culturally sensitive location, it would be Scandanavia.

Pieces like the chessmen are in museums in great metropolitan centres so that more people can enjoy and appreciate them than if you plonked them in some visitor centre in Uig. Anything else is just philistinism.
44

Ricardo,

methil 23/12/2007 14:45:53
The English Establishment pinched oor Chessmen... and oor Oil... In return we get.. Trident Submarine base... and Depositary for Nuclear Waste.
45

Pilrig,

Livingston 23/12/2007 14:46:11
London, of course, is the centre of the universe. Us ignorant indigenous jocks as well as the modern Greeks should realize that. And salaam a couple of times a day in the direction of London.
46

thebloodisstrong.com,

Canada 23/12/2007 15:05:10
The chessmen are like an untold number of Scottish treasures lying in British Museums - send them back! And while we're thinkin about the chessmen, we should be signing the petition for the return of the "Wallace Safe Conduct" letter held at Kew Gardens.

http://www.petitiononline.com/wfw1/petition.html
47

Wisnaeme,

23/12/2007 16:10:21
the bloodisstrong.com. post49.

Was it not a fact so that in the treaty of union there were obligations with regard to the Scottish judicial system and Scottish law? Indeed, there was.

Now a few decades or more ago, when some Scottish patriots decided to uphold Scottish law and return a wee stane to its rightful country, there was a terrible outcry.
But something peculiar happened when these citizens were brought before the courts. They were not charged with theft or possession of stolen goods. Perhaps it was because the goods in question had been stolen in the first instance, it being ascertained that the stane was not just 'borrowed' nor was it likely at the time that this property would be returned to its rightful owners.
Now under Scottish law there is no statute of limitations on the theft and reset of stolen property and if the terms and conditions of both parties to the contract, that is the treaty of the union are to be respected and upheld, then could it not be said that the representatives of the Scottish government are merely asking Westminster to respect their obligations under said treaty. So whats the big deal?
Is a wee uppity parliament picking a fight again?
Erm no, merely asking England to fulfil their treaty obligations with respect to Scottish law and defending the interests of Scotland.

Perhaps the Westminster government in their arrogance refuse to accept that a crime has been committed, but it wouldn't the first time would it? Nor will it be the last time either on matters of theft of assets and resetting of property belonging to the Scottish nation.

Aye, Carpetbaggers and rogues right enough.
.
48

GrahamH,

Edinburgh 23/12/2007 16:42:30
#11 Giga 11. It was taken to Durham and hung there for some time BUT went missing, presumed burned as irrelevent during a redecoration, unless you know different?
49

GrahamH,

Edinburgh 23/12/2007 16:44:20
#11, meant Guga obviously.

Edinburgh council need there marbles back after proposing tram scheme, as does AS for rubber stamping it.
50

Liam,

23/12/2007 16:54:10
Please somebody wake me just as soon as Salmond stops indulging in gimmicks and starts governing the country. 6 months in office and nothing to show for it except a load of populist tripe. How about sorting out education, health, the environment etc. before engaging in publicity stunts like this?
51

Queen D,

Glasgow 23/12/2007 17:55:52
Liam,remain in your Rip Van Winkle state,undisturbed.
Forty years on we'll wake you up to an Independent Scotland.
We will have been enjoying the success of our wee nation for some time by then!
52

Liberal for life,

Dunblane 23/12/2007 18:04:22
~ 1 - I'm not a Labour supporter but one should NEVER forget the place the Labour Party played in getting a much fairer society via the Trade Union movement than had previoulsy been achieved prior to their creation. The fact that trade unions in a large part then became a selfish and narrow minded group (just like businessmen who support the Tory party) should not detract from this fact. Today one admittedly can hardly tell the difference between New Labour and New (green oak)Conservative Party.

My big problem also is trying to understand what exactly the SNP stands for outwith being a separatist movement. Their political philosophy thereafter this desire is unfathonable, with even the great man Mr Salmond unable to explain.
53

Kipling,

23/12/2007 19:41:07
From Norwegian check to Scottish cheek.
54

Wisnaeme,

23/12/2007 19:41:27
Liberal for life or was that life for a liberal.

In perhaps less than two months you will be able to go about your lawful business without let or hindrance across the nearby Forth road bridge. isn't that what "liberalism" is about, the freedom of choice.

Repeat after me..... Thankyou Mr Salmond.

Now go and write 500 lines; I must not disagree with my party's policies when Mr Salmond supports them in principle.

Now say sorry to Mr Salmond for having practically the same policies as my political party and I support..., and whenever the SNP is in general agreement with them.

FibDem supports that but it depends who says it, eh.Shameless so ye are.
.
55

Kipling,

23/12/2007 19:42:29
From pawns to a bunch of prawns.
56

Shamus,

Glasgow 23/12/2007 19:57:47
Salmond is just a fundamentalist idiot pandering to the gaelic fundamentalist brigade. The sooner he is oot the better. He has lost his Elgin Marbles.
57

Wisnaeme,

23/12/2007 20:00:35

Ah think pawns was about right in the first instance,"Kipling".

58

Wisnaeme,

23/12/2007 20:09:06
Shamus,Glaschu.

"pandering to the gaelic fundalmentalist brigade".

Eh, dae ye ken ra meaning o yon big wurd?

Ah suggest ye change yer handle tae James,by ra way.
It might make ye feel better wae nae gan agin yer beliefs,like.



59

Pilrig,

Livingston 23/12/2007 20:28:50
17 - if you're in despair call Samaritans !
60

Pilrig,

Livingston 23/12/2007 20:34:25
51 - hey Rumplestiltskin what were the previous Nu Lab/Lib Dem admin doing about education etc. oh yeah, now I remember, Peter "Henry Ford" Peacock wanted to abolish history lessons at school.
61

Pilrig,

Livingston 23/12/2007 20:39:47
57 - Shamus tugs his forelock every day in the direction London, centre of the universe and defender of his North British culture
62

McMillar,

Fife 23/12/2007 20:43:27
Never heard of them and they’re not even Scottish…just happened to wash up here. Who cares! There are a million better topics to focus on and this is just a bit of sport for AS. He’s doing a great job and shouldn’t get diverted with gimmicky campaigns like this.
63

Wisnaeme,

23/12/2007 20:50:57
Pilrig, Livingston.

Peacock eh. That lump of shoite not only wanted to abolish history in schools but also wanted to rewrite Scottish history while on the council up Inverness way.
Aye, "the history of the Skye toll bridge and my part in it". About as credible as Mr Archer's biographic fairytale, no doubt.
64

Kipling,

23/12/2007 21:19:12
presumably without paying a toll to the ancient Egyptians and Phoenicians for having access to the alphabet, eh?
65

Pilrig,

Livingston 23/12/2007 21:39:18
63 - quite a lot of people care actually.
66

Riley Hamish,

Edina 23/12/2007 21:42:30
#19 BK

Aye Sir...quite right.
..an' Kings Oddfellows should go back tae Wishaw...thae recent things are a' imposters !!!
67

Pilrig,

Livingston 23/12/2007 21:48:43
64 - there's a history of denial about our, Scottish that is, history.

When the feeble amount of Scottish history taught in state schools was threatened with downgrading in the early 90s, the useless Convenor of Education for Lothian Region, one Elizabeth McGinnis, stated that it was a "fuss about nothing".
Likewise, when the Museum of Scotland was planned to be added to the Royal Museum in Chamber Street, there were suggestion from the NU Lab direction that the new musueum shouldn't have it's own entrance and the entrance should be through the RM instead, and the wording of the MoS shouldn't be over-emphasised.
Such was the NU Lab paranoia over perceieved "nationalist shibboleths"
68

Saul Tyre,

Germany 23/12/2007 21:49:41
Alex Salmond should be doing the job he's being paid to do instead of standing up for the rights of the Scottish nation all the time.

Jack McConnell would turn in his grave. If he had one.
69

Wisnaeme,

23/12/2007 22:11:53
68. Pilrig.

Elizabeth McGinnis, eh. Aye, ah ken a wee bit about herself and her pals Bunty backhander and Sleaze bag Rosendale.

I see Edinburgh Sucks is back after an absence by the way.Don't always agree with what Basa says,mind you but he's usually quite informative.



70

Graham Simpson,

Vancouver 23/12/2007 22:16:14
#53 Liberal for Life... you may well have asked what is the political philosophy of the Liberal party! Most people outwith the party haven't a clue and I suspect likewise that many within don't really know either and are trying to sit on a vaguely definable, safe political fence that will give offence to no one.

I could say why don't you read the official SNP website but if you want the hard reality the SNP party and most of their voters have a single objective and that is to bring independence to Scotland as quickly and efficiently as possible. Within this group are many who would have described themselves previously as the old left or right but now are willing to work pragmatically towards this end. Additionally the SNP government is also obliged to to earn a much higher performance reputation than the other old parties and must stay away from the old fashioned dogma of the right and left, which are basically out of date anyway. The SNP will only legislate that which is 'good for Scotland' and will keep on doing this until independence is won. Accordingly their most strongly defined policies are for efficient government, increased employment opportunity and economic development. To do this with a majority of one, is tough, to put it mildly! But we will do it!
71

Wisnaeme,

23/12/2007 22:22:51
68 Pilrig.

New Labour paranoia over perceived nationalist symbols.

Yer nae kidding. Wait till the full story of the selection of the site for Scottish parliament comes into the public domain.., and it will sooner or later.

a nice little earner for some folk that was.

Some former high school on Carlton hill had them body swerving eh.

72

Kipling,

23/12/2007 22:26:13
"Accordingly their most strongly defined policies are for efficient government, increased employment opportunity and economic development."

Sounds like average government policy, right or left. The question is how the SNP differs from its predecessors in achieving the aims, surely?
73

pints,

capital 23/12/2007 23:02:49
always thought - next time the british museum 'lends' the 83 pieces back up to scotland we should just keep them. Question - If you gave your next door neighbour your wife then asked for her back, can you be charged or blamed if when you do get your hands on her you keep her?
74

truthsleuth,

South of the Border 23/12/2007 23:27:19
I suppose AS(S) wil spend another few £millions on yet another waste of money.

Scrap the Bridge

75

d.j.,

25/12/2007 10:43:41
# 57
How odd that Shamus has a Gaelic name. Surely he should get rid of it at once. In Scotland you can change it without any hassle.
76

livilion,

livingston 29/12/2007 15:05:32
76 d.j.,25/12/2007 10:43:41
I think he's having bother spelling shame-us.
The correct Irish spelling is Seamus.
The American usage 'shamus' means private dick.
I thank you.

 

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