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Published Date: 28 June 2009
Scottish Secretary Jim Murphy hit out at "sickening" protests that disrupted an Armed Forces Day parade.
Police have confirmed that arrests were made and one person was injured after trouble flared at the event in Glasgow. The protestors, believed to have been an Irish Republican group, are understood to have started chanting while a service was taking
place in George Square yesterday.

Murphy hailed the "brilliant men and women" of the forces. "They are Britain at its best and Scotland at its bravest," he said. "At the other end of the spectrum, the event was soured by a tiny minority of mindless demonstrators who can't begin to understand the meaning of bravery.

"A separate group of mindless idiots also soured the day for me. After doing an interview for BBC, I was subjected to sustained sectarian abuse from people who seemed to take great and foul-mouthed offence because I am Catholic."

Murphy added: "My message to them today is that they cannot win. They stand against every value the veterans we celebrated today fought – and died – for.

"It was a sickening spectacle that showed we still have a long way to go in removing the scourge of sectarianism in our country and I was saddened our brave service people and veterans had to endure even a second of it."

Police said 13 people were taken into custody. Five were arrested with the others still being questioned last night. A 24-year-old man was taken to Glasgow Royal Infirmary with a head injury.





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1

Boberto,

28/06/2009 00:21:18
The "protestors" were a bunch of twisted neds who met another bunch of twisted neds. All very sad but not at all representative of either the event as a whole or the country as a whole.
2

Fifi la Bonbon,

28/06/2009 01:11:28
Irish republicans, anti catholic bears, islamic extremists - all scum of the earth. The armed forces seem to attract such trash. We should make sure the soldiers are equipped with live ammunition and given free range to get stuck in. The nation would thank them.
3

Fifi la Bonbon,

28/06/2009 01:15:23
Sorry - I said "islamic extremists" when I should have said "islamist extremists." The first kind are daft but OK, in the same way that the Free Presbyterians and Opus Dei are daft but OK. It's the islam-ists who turn personal faith into a violent political ideology, probably as a form of sublimating sexual energy, that I wouldn't mind seeing used as target practice.

I wouldn't want anyone thinking I was a bigot.
4

Willie Mor,

28/06/2009 02:11:11
Jim Murphy should just wrap himself up in a Union Jack and sing the sash for that unfortunately is what it appears that he is doing.

British soldiers have been deployed many many times to be the implement of aggressive commercial policy and Iraq is testimony to that.

Fruitless wars with the loss of many brave young men is nothing to be jingoistic about, and Murphy should know that.
5

Fifi la Bonbon,

28/06/2009 02:31:32
Jim Murphy was right to praise and celebrate the bravery of our armed forces. The last thing he was doing was being jingoistic. He spoke on behalf of all of us who value our armed forces, whatever their party allegiance.

He was also right to deprecate the miserable scumbags who tried to ruin the day. It ill behooves Willie Mor and other sentimental nationalists to join them in casting a sectarian slur on him on this special day.
6

Bret,

28/06/2009 02:37:02
# 4 said: "Fruitless wars with the loss of many brave young men is nothing to be jingoistic about, and Murphy should know that."

Neither is inbred ignorance and disrespect for the religious persuasion of another human being. Scottish sectarianism equates itself with Islamic extremism. The reason we have our brave soldiers being killed abroad? Inbred religious bigotry.

And Scotland is a "developed" county? Ha!
7

davesmith1,

28/06/2009 07:37:02
#4. Murphy being a born and bred British person, the only flag he should wrap himself in is the beloved red, white and blue. What would you have him wrap himself in?
8

davesmith1,

28/06/2009 07:42:32
#2. Anti-plastic paddy Bears maybe. Get it right.
9

John JP,

28/06/2009 08:00:55
Disgraceful
10

Observer,,

Glasgow 28/06/2009 08:11:50
3 Well said Fifi (whit!)it is the violent political interpretation of Islam that needs to be opposed. To make mere statements about Islam as if all muslims are bonkers and a threat to the rest of us IS bigoted and sadly all too common.

On the subject of the article the UK Govt are using the troops as a propoganda tool - they even dragged them into the Royal Box at Winbledon yesterday - to make us rally round them in the hope that we don't notice they are being deployed in ways that most people oppose. I consider that fairly disgraceful too.

But the people who turned out to heckle them are morons it's not their fault that the Govt are idiots.



11

Observer,,

Glasgow 28/06/2009 08:16:23
6 No, the reasons our soldiers are being killed abroad is because they are being deployed as an arm of the USA in the fight to secure oil rights. Didn't you notice the Iraqi oil field rights going up for auction yesterday, or did this carry on distract you ?
12

Mobat,

28/06/2009 08:17:47
I feel sorry for the good folk of Glasgow of all persuasions as both they are their city are let down by these scum
13

gus1940,

Edinburgh 28/06/2009 08:39:27
#7 A gag/
14

Stan Butler,

28/06/2009 08:55:05


I can't think of any conflict that the British armed forces have been involved in since the end of the second world war that I would support.

In most of the conflicts I would be more likely to have sided with their opponents. I don't think I'm alone in that.

You can't separate the individuals in a volunteer army, or the services themselves, from the activities they engage in.

There is more than a whiff of hypocrisy about supporting 'our brave boys' while at the same time criticising the campaigns they are involved in.



15

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 28/06/2009 10:20:11
Has Jim Murphy got nothing better to do than this? Surely this man is the biggest waste of space on this entire planet.
16

Curley Bill,

28/06/2009 10:35:39
Jeezo Fif, yet again you show a spark of sense beneath all the bluster -
"Jim Murphy was right to praise and celebrate the bravery of our armed forces."

However, I must take issue with you on this point: it is right and correct the Forces personnel, past and present, are celebrated for their deeds and service - but it is a travesty and just plain wrong that it is Jim Murphy dishing out the plaudits.
This is a man who, when reaching the age to do National Service in his adopted country of South Africa, turned tail and fled to the safety of the British Isles.
This coward, this chickenhawk, should shut up where brave men and women are concerned.
17

Eric The Archer,

Edinburgh 28/06/2009 10:37:54
Where is Black Gold now?
18

Edward,

28/06/2009 10:47:00
The interesting aspect of the 'National Armed Forces Day' was the fact that it was a Labour PR stunt!
Dont get me wrong I am very very proud of the men and women in the armed forces. But this was supposed to be a celebration by ALL the country, regardless of political persuation. Like the Rememberance Day ceremonies, I would have expected that ALL political parties would have been invited to attend. Yet it was just a Labour feast.
Example being Jim Murphy, why on earth is he given air time on this, when the Scottish Government which represents the people in Scotland should have been involved instead of being kept out!
19

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28/06/2009 10:49:55
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Stan Butler,

28/06/2009 10:57:35
15 invictager

'You support terrorist bombers and foreign countries that invade our territories?'

Which terrorist bombers do you have in mind?

The Stern Gang?

The Mau Mau?

The insurgents in Aden?

EOKA?

When you refer to foreign countries that invade 'our territories' which territories are you referring to? The Falklands or the Chagos?

Your grasp of history and international politics is obviously rather tenuous if you think the communists were going to take over the world after Korea. That's what people were told at the time though only the dimwitted believed it. Only the very dimwitted now believe it.


'the soldiers who are willing to die to defend our way of life, including giving you the right to insult them'

Soldiers don't join up from altruistic motives. They don't do so to defend our way of life (whatever that might be). They do so for self interested reasons, because it's the best option open to them at the time. It's dishonest to suggest otherwise.

If I have the right to insult members of the armed services (a right which I have not exercised) then it is not a right that was won by the army, or the navy or the air force. It is a right, like every other right we enjoy which has been won by people who were prepared to challenge authority, to break the law and to face the consequences. In every such instance the armed services were the ultimate weapon of those in power who wished to resist granting rights to the masses.
21

SPBFB,

Gibraltar ---- Bang! Bang! Bang! 28/06/2009 11:07:25
Jim Murphy is a liar.

By insinuating that he was abused, he's trying to take the flak away from violent Republican Sinn Fein protesters disgraceful and unwarranted attack on British patriotism.

We know what you're up to Jim - we can all remember you calling the Rangers support Orange B&stards - ain't that right, Jim? You're a scumbag who deserves to go the same way as that other lying, cheating and deceitful thief, Jim Devine.
22

wuggles,

GLASGOW 28/06/2009 11:11:21
Let me get this right Mr Murphy.

A group abused you be becuse you were Catholic, but the other group who disrupted the ceremony wee 'mindless idiots' not mindless CATHOLIC idiots?


And were are led to believe you have no agenda.Think on toe rag.
23

Maineflyer97,

28/06/2009 11:11:43
Surely we're all making this far more complicated than it actually is.

A group of Sinn Fein/Continuity IRA supporters turned up at an Armed Forces celebration, with the sole objective of making trouble, and were seen off by citizens disgusted at their presence and behaviour.

There would have been no incident to report if these disaffected people hadn't been so determined to show off their anti-British credentials. Perhaps they will be more circumspect in future and leave the good people of Glasgow to celebrate their heroes in peace.
24

senza nome,

28/06/2009 11:17:58
14 "I can't think of any conflict that the British armed forces have been involved in since the end of the second world war that I would support."

I was no fan of Blair but I think intervening in Sierra Leone to stop the bloody civil war was no bad thing.As was intervening in Kosovo to stop the killing there.Alex Salmond described it as "An act of unpardonable folly" but the leaders of Serbia ended up charged with human rights abuse in the Hague court of human rights.
I opposed it at the time but in retrospect the Falklands campaign could be justified too.Why should General Galtieri's fascist regime have been allowed to get away with it's actions?
Let's not let the folly of Iraq blind us to some positive uses of British forces.
25

Observer,,

Glasgow 28/06/2009 11:45:42
25 The British Army's involvement in the Kosovan situation helped establish the faux ''state'' of Kosovo which could lead to further bloodshed at any time, as it is land that was stolen from the Serbs.

I tend to agree with Stan on the whole that the troops have been deployed rather badly. On the other hand unless we are going to be a pacifist nation relying on its citizenry to defend us in the event of an attack we need an Army.

You can attack foreign policy without attacking the individual people who have to obey unwise instructions.
26

H Callahan,

28/06/2009 11:58:12
if Rangers and Celtic were disbanded then we might begin to finally tackle this problem.

unfortunately this is too radical a policy for any Scottish party at present.
27

mr broon,

Edinburgh 28/06/2009 12:11:10
On a historic day for Northern Ireland when Loyalist Paramilitary groups finally announced that they had decommissioned their weapons, the Two Tribes in Glasgow remind the world that they are still fighting 17th Century battles? Why don't they get a life!

28

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28/06/2009 12:27:45
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Observer,,

Glasgow 28/06/2009 12:34:38
Oh dear this story seems to have brought out the knuckle draggers. Shouldn't you be posting on ''Moron's Weekly'' or some other journal more suitable for your intellectual range ?
30

Budgie,

INCHINNAN 28/06/2009 13:07:52
#23 wuggles.
An interesting observation with which I concur.
31

ShropshireBear,

28/06/2009 13:51:18
"What have the British Army ever done for us?"

Fought and died for our Freedom. God Bless the past and present Tommys. Freedom isn't free.

CIRA/Republican Sinn Fein 'peace protestors' - hilariously sad. What are the RSF not doing doing when they are so-called 'protesting' peace? Praising the murder of a Roman Catholic policeman?

What a bunch of seriously warped evil tw*ts of the highest order. So the RSF got a kicking? Ah didums.

32

ShropshireBear,

28/06/2009 13:54:24
Exactly where is the newsreel that recorded Murphy receiving sectarian abuse? You know, at the time when he was being interviewed (or about to be) by a BBC news team.

So Murhpy is a Celtic fan. Has he ever indulged himself in a spot of I Ran Away sing-songs?
33

Stan Butler,

28/06/2009 14:16:42


The inescapable and embarrassing truth is that British (and Scottish) troops were involved in killing innocent Catholics in the North of Ireland.

Perhaps if that fact was acknowledged there might be less open resentment at the public being asked to offer praise and gratitude to those troops.


34

Braesbear,

Inverurie 28/06/2009 14:17:22
Sadly the anti British, Irish Republican terrorist supporting scum were permitted to abuse the good people of Glasgow during an event to support our armed forces.

Instead of hiding news of this shameful behaviour, the media once again confine it to small print almost out of sight or do not report it all. Even worse, the BBC give a platform to discredited MP to make claims of sectarian abuse he alleged he received.

Our press have a duty to report the facts and not fudge the issue. I suspect that there are too many people in Glasgow City Council, Scottish Labour and in key positions within the BBC and some newspapers who have sympathies with the filth who set out to disrupt the event yesterday.

You can sweep sweep all you want but people are now realising what is going on
35

ShropshireBear,

28/06/2009 14:37:58
"... open resentment at the public being asked to offer praise and gratitude to those troops."

This ugly, deceitful, ironic and bitter minority celebrating terrorist murderers have no place in the society of the United Kingdom, let alone an open day to celebrate and honour the bravery of our esteemed Armed Forces.
36

Observer,,

Glasgow 28/06/2009 14:48:17
35 I think most people other than the knuckle draggers admit that Stan. Strange that you pick the deaths in Northern Ireland and ignore those in Iraq, surely numerically more in number. Do they not count as much ?

Anyway to get back to the point; we need an Army but what we need more than anything else is a Government who will deploy them sensibly.
37

Dún Aenghus,

28/06/2009 15:44:19
#20 Yellow belly Jim......
Why dont you go and live in the country of your masters ie,England.
As a Scottish loyalist,you are subservient to a government in England,you are subservient to an English monarch and you claim the flag of England(union rag) as your flag.So why dont all of you English puppets ,including the ones who occupy the north east of Ireland,just go and settle in the home of your masters.Leave Scotland and Ireland to those who wish to be Scottish or Irish.
38

Dún Aenghus,

28/06/2009 15:48:44
#36 The British army trained and armed loyalist sectarian murder gangs to murder hundreds of Catholics in the north east of Ireland! Why should we call these murderers "brave men"? Many convicted loyalist sectarian killers admitted that they were fully supported by the British forces in Ireland,and the British police in Ireland.
39

Dún Aenghus,

28/06/2009 15:50:13
#34 Your post is a typical loyalist cover-up!
Get a life, idiot.
40

Number 6,

Germany 28/06/2009 15:56:56
It must have turned the stomach of the heads of the Services to have Murphy shouting their praises.

The military know exactly what the Labour party think of them. Labour have just announced proposed cuts to the armed forces that will reduce them to their lowest figures since the Crimean war.

The heads of sheds were praising the SNP for the support they give to scottish vets, support in real terms that is.

Only covered on the MOD website of course. The Scottish media are to be congratulated on the brilliant job they have done in hiding this growing relationship between the Military and the SNP from the Scottish people.
41

Observer,,

Glasgow 28/06/2009 16:00:04
Dún Aenghus

You seem to have missed out a few salient facts.

1. The ''English'' are not our masters, we joined a union with them we can leave any time the majority of Scots want to.

2. There were many Scottish troops who served in NI.

Hysterical rants like yours do not help the case for independence, it could lead people to believe we were all nutters, instead of just you.
42

Alba Abú,

28/06/2009 16:03:26
# 45 Observer....Good point,but were the Scottish people asked to vote for this union? If they were not,then the union is not legal.
43

Observer,,

Glasgow 28/06/2009 16:06:35
46 As far as democracy extended in those days the Scottish people who were enfranchised voted for it.

But we have not shared the experience of those in Ireland, we are not a colonised people, to talk about our ''Masters'' and ''subservience'' is just silly.

All we need to do is vote.
44

Dún Aenghus,

28/06/2009 16:20:49
#47 How many of the Scottish people voted for the union with England?
You seem to be the only nutter on this thread!
How many of the Irish people voted for the union with England? Come on Mr. Nutter,please inform.
If the people's permission was not sought,then the union is null and void,Mr. Nutter.
What business do Scottish troops have being in Ireland when the Irish people did not vote for the union with England?
45

Dún Aenghus,

28/06/2009 16:27:47
#47 "all we need to do is vote"
The Scottish people have not got the courage to vote for themselves,they prefer to be ruled by England.
They are a subservient race with no confidence in themselves.At least,thats how it appears to most people around the world. Most people in Europe and in the USA simply refer to the island of Britain as,England,and who could blame them.
46

Stan Butler,

28/06/2009 16:35:27
49 Dún Aenghus


You don't like the English, do you?


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28/06/2009 16:41:32
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John Robertson,

28/06/2009 16:57:14
Some people want to get a grip of them self, ie dun and stan, ive been in the forces for 14 years and serve in a unit with people from all over the uk and abroad, i class myself as scotish and british and have many english, welsh, irish north and south friends, guess what, we are all the same, its time to get over this anti english, british thing, what ever it is. Get out of your goldfish bowl and stop being bitter about nothing.
49

boab15,

paisley 28/06/2009 17:09:08
re todd unctuous.at least vanguardbears talk sense ya bheast. and i'm not but i agree with everything they say.go home
50

Wolfe Tone,

28/06/2009 17:18:19
#51 Now we know why the Irish want the British out of their country. LOL!
51

Alba Abú,

28/06/2009 17:28:56
51 boab.
You are an ignorant bigot and a disgace to any country.
#53 John.... Good post,sanity prevails.
52

Ibrox Champion,

Govan 28/06/2009 17:44:48
54 Boab 15. I hope that you wont tell us that you support Rangers. Please dont sully our name with your support.
53

boab15,

paisley 28/06/2009 17:55:22
If you bheasts want to complain.Don't right the mince, and the get upset. alba abu the reason is i lost family. fuc you .2 doors down from me mr adam who got 6 years sending bullets to mps paisley and there the same as you.you bast ireland might kill his dad . get yer facts right pus
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28/06/2009 17:56:53
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28/06/2009 18:10:15
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Dún Aenghus,

28/06/2009 18:11:58
#59 You will be OK. You will always be able to run to your English masters and get the crumbs off John Bulls table. Scotland's Shame.
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28/06/2009 18:18:26
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John Robertson,

28/06/2009 18:26:48
#60,61 WTF are you on about, so you hate the british, so what! Your shouting pi#h mate and generally talking nonsense, The majority of this country are happy to support the armed forces deal with it. GET A LIFE, ITS PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND YOUR OPPOSITES, WHO ARE SCOTLANDS SHAME!
59

Dún Aenghus,

28/06/2009 18:30:06
#63 Oops! Ive upset another member of Scotland's Shame! LOL!
60

Stan Butler,

28/06/2009 18:33:25
53 John Robertson

The fact that you have been in the forces for 14 years, and the fact that there are people in the army from all over the UK does not have any bearing on what I said.

Scottish soldiers were involved in the killing of innocent Catholics in the north of Ireland.

That fact, and the denial of it, still rankles with a lot of people of Irish descent in Scotland. The views of some of the loyalist pond life being expressed on here were not unknown amongst the Scottish regiments who served in the north of Ireland. It's hardly surprising that some people feel resentment about a public display of thanks and praise for those involved.


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John Robertson,

28/06/2009 18:38:53
#64 You have to go a long way to upset me Bigot boy, and how am i scotlands shame?

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Observer,,

Glasgow 28/06/2009 18:42:22
Dún Aenghus

You are all over the place. The Scots do not share the same experience as the Irish have you got that ? The Irish were invaded and colonised and fought a War of Liberation. We don't have to do that, which is pretty lucky for us don't you think ? Of course the majority of people in 1707 didn't vote for the Union, because the majority of people at that time under Scots law didn't have a vote.

Under Scots law mark me, not English law.
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Dún Aenghus,

28/06/2009 18:46:47
One thousand two hundred and forty Catholics murdered by British army trained and equipped loyalist sectarian murder gangs.(1969 to 1996) Most of their victims were soft targets murdered in their homes or whilst having a night out.Among their innocent victims were women and children old age pensioners and pregnant women.All butchered,simply because they were Catholic.
I think that people have a right to protest against such barbarism.
64

Observer,,

Glasgow 28/06/2009 18:47:16
Interesting reviewing this thread, it appears that knuckle draggers can't type or capitalise. I guess that's what you get when your hands drag across the floor all the time.
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John Robertson,

28/06/2009 19:09:14
#71 you will see in my post 63 i use the words "opposite" this refers to the orange side of the coin. When i was younger i used to think like you did, however as i got older i calmed down and travled around and realised that the problem is the people like you cant move on with life and are in a bubble, burst the bubble mate and enjoy life.
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Alba Abú,

28/06/2009 19:19:05
#72 Correct.
Some people became very wealthy in Scottish society due to large ammounts of money being paid to them in the form of bribes,for there backing for the union.However the vast majority of the Scottish people got no notice of the deal and those who sold Scotland to the highest bidder received a hostile reception on their return from London.
68

Alba Abú,

28/06/2009 19:21:06
#58 boab. You are sick my friend,please get help.
Quickly!
69

Thistledhu,

28/06/2009 19:32:56
A sad tale of want to be fantasist's and Bigots.

Regardles of all this Neanderthal nonesense Armed Forces day Nationwide has been an outstanding success I look forward to next year.

Nemo Impune Lacessit.
(the Motto of the Royal Regiment of Scotland)
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John Robertson,

28/06/2009 19:35:21
#76 Well said, Utrinque Paratus, wink.
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Thistledhu,

28/06/2009 19:53:59
77John Robertson nice of you to drop in
(how's the knee's)
72

Dún Aenghus,

28/06/2009 19:56:00
#76 "the royal regiment of Scotland" = England's lackeys. lol!
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Thistledhu,

28/06/2009 19:59:21
Dún Aenghus Bore off 'want to be'
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Dún Aenghus,

28/06/2009 20:00:46
#80 Truth hurting you? Servant of England.
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Dún Aenghus,

28/06/2009 20:02:23
#80 Dont forget to bow and scrape to your English queen. lol!
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Thistledhu,

28/06/2009 20:05:16
nope i live in the world of reality and have done something about the wrongs of this world.

You live in a world of fantasy and pretend to be a victim of crimes that never happend and wonder why the real world laughs at you and your like. Or is becuase you smell slightly of cow wee
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Dún Aenghus,

28/06/2009 20:06:38
#83 Typical peasant of England! lol.
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Dún Aenghus,

28/06/2009 20:10:39
# 83 The European court of human rights said that "the crimes happened" England and her army found guilty of "torture and inhuman and degrading treatment of prisoners in Ireland" So! The Court of human rights is also wrong?
Very interesting.
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Thistledhu,

28/06/2009 20:12:13
do you try to look like che Guevra or Mel gibson or both? (helps with the fantasy i soppose)
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Thistledhu,

28/06/2009 20:12:48
and you were detained when and where?
81

Dún Aenghus,

28/06/2009 20:13:23
Your blood stained empire is gone. Gone but not forgotten. Now! I must go and have tea.
Slainte Mhor mo chara.
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Thistledhu,

28/06/2009 20:16:35
Dún Aenghus Enjoy your tea while under the safe protection of the British army!!
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boab15,

paisley 28/06/2009 20:22:48
reply Done ars. sad sad sad if you would like to see how my house is, you are more than welcome you hole. and i do work. you bheastly twa.paisley and if you want the rest get rid of yer cheap wine and yer nazi pope and say hello.
84

boab15,

paisley 28/06/2009 20:29:47
Done a hoale. Ireland, royal irish regiment. faugh-a-ballagh. what was yer answer.dun ahoale whith the language
85

boab15,

paisley 28/06/2009 20:45:24
Done ahoale is away checking his dictionrey total bheast championeeeeees ya fug. 4 in a row yer mums go oh oh oh oh
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Wolfe Tone,

Home of the free 28/06/2009 21:33:48
Nice to see the britshit loyalists get a good kicking on this thread to-day.
Well done Stan Todd and Dun. A great days work.
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Wolfe Tone,

28/06/2009 21:38:02
#9 Dumb boab....If you are a bi-product of loyalism, I am so proud to be a well educated Republican.
What a dumb ignorant piece of garbage you really are.
Haaa Haaa haaaaa.
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Thistledhu,

28/06/2009 21:54:07
95 Wolfe Tone you mean a fantsist.
what allways amazes me is how the left wing fanatsists imagine crimes when there is none.
Victory when there is defeat.

And how by supporting a team, proffesing some sort of allegience to a religion. and haveing a granny who once drank a pint of guiness on the ferry to Rothsey. that they are some sort of psuedo Freedom Fighter.

Of course the reality is they are a combination of fantasists and bigots, all the more sad by the reality that there so called cause has been defeated
89

Wolfe Tone,

28/06/2009 21:57:02
#15 How did the thieving Brits get those "territories"?
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Thistledhu,

28/06/2009 21:59:41
Wolfe Tone how is the fantasy going?
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Wolfe Tone,

28/06/2009 22:03:44
#96 I can understand your frustration.Having lost your empire. Having been defeated by American Republicans, Irish Republicans and countless other freedom fighters from your former colonies.It must be terrible for England just to be left with Scotland to rule over,after having had such a big empire.
I feel your pain! lol!
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Wolfe Tone,

28/06/2009 22:07:58
#100 Good post...... A former Republican commander is now joint leader of the 6 county assembly.Does that sound like defeat? No, it does'nt and thistle is hurting over that.
93

Thistledhu,

28/06/2009 22:11:37
Todd Unctuous ah another fantasist did mum once have a hen night in dublin?
and psst does the prhase's we will not rest till Britain is forced out along with not Bullet not a ounce ring a bell?.
and every time you say that phrase goverment of Northen ireland you admit defeat dont you not that you would know or care as being a plastic you live a fantasy and know nothing of reality
94

Thistledhu,

28/06/2009 22:12:59
by the way McGUINESS IS IN FACT DEPUTY (in other words he counts the toilet paper)
95

Wolfe Tone,

28/06/2009 22:16:24
#103 Bingo! I accept your complete and utter surrender. I feel your pain! LOL!
96

Thistledhu,

28/06/2009 22:17:32
eh ?
97

Thistledhu,

28/06/2009 22:18:06
you accept Mcguiness counts toilet paper intresting
98

Thistledhu,

28/06/2009 22:19:27
Todd Unctuous did your mum enjoy her night in Dublin then
99

Thistledhu,

28/06/2009 22:22:19
by the way how did you fell about the final blow when the republic dropped its claim on the North Must have really hurt
100

Wolfe Tone,

28/06/2009 22:24:27
102 "not a bullet not an ounce" until all prisoners are released. Result......All prisoners released.
"We will not rest until Britain gives up her claim to any part of Ireland" Result........30 out of Ireland's 32 counties are now under Nationalist control, i,e, power sharing. Republicans are in power in Befast and in time Britain will eventually leave the Irish people in peace. These are facts not fiction.
So eat humble pie,dreamer.
101

Thistledhu,

28/06/2009 22:27:54
todd grow up Terrorism in Northern Ireland has been deafeted thats the simple fact you have posted in defence of of group of bigots who disrupted the centre of glasgow

as to acceptance of republicans in goverment nothing knew the offer has been there since 1975 so why the killing?
102

Thistledhu,

28/06/2009 22:30:51
110 nearly fell of my seat when i read that rubbish.
like all fantasists you ingnore the reality that the majority of voters voted for a unionist party last election in Northern Ireland what about them?
103

Thistledhu,

28/06/2009 22:31:50
ps there was no add on re prisoners with the not a bullet not an ounce statement please stay near the facts
104

Wolfe Tone,

28/06/2009 22:32:12
108 On that same day "the government of northern Ireland act 1920 was abolished" ie Britain gave up her unchallenged claim to the six north eastern counties of Ireland, and for the first time said, "it is for all of the people of the north of Ireland to decide their future" Its called agreement. People from the north and the south of the country voted on the Good Friday agreement.In fact I do believe that you have never heard of the word agreement,have you?
105

Wolfe Tone,

28/06/2009 22:33:23
111 Now who is living in fantasy land?
106

Wolfe Tone,

28/06/2009 22:35:41
111 So now you are telling us that their was only one armed group doing the killing in the north east of Ireland.You really are in a fantasy.
107

Thistledhu,

28/06/2009 22:35:52
fact there isent an issue of the good friday agreement that was not on the table in 1975 ask your hero Mcguiness he has stated so severall times
108

Thistledhu,

28/06/2009 22:37:15
118 yes there was terrorist from the INLA the UVF the UDA the list goes on.
109

Wolfe Tone,

28/06/2009 22:39:14
#112 The majority? 87% of the people on the island of Ireland want an end to British interference in the affairs of their country.What about them?
110

Thistledhu,

28/06/2009 22:40:08
116 oh dear Why are Republicans "bigots.
while they come from Glasgow not any part of ireland how can they be republicans ?
like isaid before fantasists
111

Thistledhu,

28/06/2009 22:41:31
122 wrong if that was so why did the people of the republic vote for an end to the claim on the north in a referendum?
112

Wolfe Tone,

28/06/2009 22:41:32
121 They also murdered five members of their own community for daring to attend work.
113

Thistledhu,

28/06/2009 22:43:39
121 who is they?
114

Thistledhu,

28/06/2009 22:44:48
and when
115

Wolfe Tone,

28/06/2009 22:46:29
#124 The people of the Republic like those in the north voted on an agreement,part of that agreement was for both communities to put aside claims which would not help the furtherence of peace. Articles 2 and 3 in the south (Irish constitution) and the goverment of Ireland act 1920(British claim) in the north. It was a concession by both parts of Ireland in the name of peace.
116

Wolfe Tone,

28/06/2009 22:49:02
123 There are orangemen in Canada,are they not orangemen because they are in Canada? There are Jews in Glasgow,are they not Jews because they dont live in Israel?
117

Thistledhu,

28/06/2009 22:49:34
128 so in summary the south dont want a united Ireland(and from what my Family tell me the veiw is hardening)
the North dont so why do people in scotland keep on trying to force there own kidd on veiws on them?
118

Thistledhu,

28/06/2009 22:51:07
129 how can you be a Irish republican when your not Irish how can you be A republican and not live there its a nonesense
119

Wolfe Tone,

28/06/2009 22:51:45
#126 "they" The Ulster workers strike organisers...UDA UVF RED hand.and other murderous groups.
120

Thistledhu,

28/06/2009 22:52:55
132 five in one go like i said when ?
121

Thistledhu,

28/06/2009 22:54:04
133 oh dear a wee group of murders called the Provisional IRA had nothing to do with it?
122

Thistledhu,

28/06/2009 22:56:28
136 enjoy your night of sleep under the protection of the British Army
123

Wolfe Tone,

28/06/2009 22:56:40
#131 There are Scottish nationalists living in Canada Australia,and the USA.Republicanism is not a religion.The founding fathers of Irish Republicanism ,a fifteen member committee were all professional gentlemen and all of the Protestant faith. There are American and French Republicans living in Glasgow
124

Thistledhu,

28/06/2009 22:58:13
138 in a word rubbish not an ounce of fact in your post
125

Thistledhu,

28/06/2009 22:58:30
your running out of excuses
126

Wolfe Tone,

28/06/2009 23:00:54
#136 Thanks Todd.
#137 Good night Thistle, lets hope you dont fall foul of the British army.They will also set you up for murder.
127

Thistledhu,

28/06/2009 23:03:47
141 doubt i will fall foul of them after 22 years service in the British Army comeing from a Scotish Family with an Irish Mother and two sisters who live in Ireland makes all your rubbish pathetic.

in Donegal they call the likes of the green Brigade et'al as plastic paddys.

burst the bubble join the real world
128

Wolfe Tone,

28/06/2009 23:07:13
#140 I think that it is clear to all on this thread that you have made a complete fool of yourself tonight and that you are not in the least bit educated on the subject of Ireland or Republicanism. In fact I feel that you have a corner boy education on both subjects.Your answers prove that much. My advice to you would be to read more and take on board other points of view and stop behaving like a spoiled wee boy. In other words,before you enter debate on a particular subject,do your homework.
Good night.
129

Thistledhu,

28/06/2009 23:10:17
i lived in Ireland you cleay have never done so.

psst if your so commited to Ireland go there but you wont because in Ireland either side of the border you and your likes are not wellcome
130

Thistledhu,

28/06/2009 23:11:28
The fantasy is over why dont you shut up
131

John Robertson,

28/06/2009 23:29:51
Well done Thistledhu, you shut that clown well up! Wolf Tone, up the Para's and the British Army, chew on that Bigot!
132

Thistledhu,

30/06/2009 21:21:53
147 Bigot being an athiest born into a catholic family that is a handle you cant place on me.

if you find being oppossed by someone who actually has personel exprience of Ireland and its problems it yet again exposes your discomfort at being exposed as a fantasist with little real knowledge of Ireland.

Finaly not one of the accused from saturdays incident actualy have Irish address's nor have they been born there says it all I think

 

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