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Independence for Scots – on the web



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Published Date: 29 June 2008
SCOTLAND will become an independent nation next year – in cyberspace at least.
SNP ministers are to press ahead with plans to ditch the “.uk” at the end of internet addresses for the Scottish Government and replace it with “.sco”.

Details of the switchover are set to be finalised by the end of the year and to go ahead in 20
09 after internet regulators agreed to a shake-up of web-naming rules. So First Minister Alex Salmond’s Government address will change from a Union-friendly www.scotland.gov.uk to an independence-ready www.scotland.gov.sco.

While the change is symbolically important for the SNP, it will have many IT managers tearing their hair out because thousands of web pages and links will have to be updated.

The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) decided last week to permit greater freedom in internet domain names to keep up with demand for new web pages.

A Scottish Government source said: “We hope to have the application in for the .sco suffix by the end of the year. If it’s approved, which will be a matter of weeks rather than months, then we can get the names changed next year.”

Similar suffixes have already been awarded to Jersey and the Isle of Man, while the Spanish region of Catalonia has the right to end its websites “.cat”.

Nationalist MSPs have long campaigned for the change, and a similar move is under way in Wales to have “.cym” made the new Welsh internet domain name. Some in England are pushing for “.eng” for addresses south of the border.

A Scottish Government spokesman said: “We welcome ICANN’s decision and we are positive about the establishment of a .sco domain name.

“We are giving careful consideration to the ICANN proposals and issues around the introduction of the abbreviation to make an informed decision about whether to support a Scottish top-level domain.”

However, the prospect of the move has filled IT operators in Scotland with horror. Last year, councils had to update hundreds of websites referring to the then Scottish Executive and replace the title with the name Scottish Government.

One senior local government IT operator said: “We will have to go through thousands of links and update them all.

“We will demand that the Scottish Government should have a referring page, which will redirect people to the new page. But it’s going to be a nightmare.”

He added that councils might take different views on the new suffix, with Labour-run councils opting to “remain in the virtual UK” while Nationalist councils might go for “cyber-independence”. An example might be Labour-run Glasgow, which could stick with www.glasgow.gov.uk, while SNP-run Renfrewshire might opt for www.renfrewshire.gov.sco.

Moreover, changes in political complexion in administrations could lead to councils joining and leaving the UK internet domain.

Other options for new domains will include cities such as London and New York having “.ldn” and “.nyc” respectively.





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  • Last Updated: 28 June 2008 6:58 PM
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1

Highland Mighty©,

29/06/2008 00:11:57
Pathetic.

Just another example of the SNP running roughshod over the wishes of the clear majority of us who are in favour of the UK.
2

ThomasP,

29/06/2008 00:20:28
Highland Mighty.

There is no evidence to prove that the majority wish to remain apart of the United Kingdom.

Get over it and stop whining.
3

Paul Rollo,

Elgin 29/06/2008 00:29:46
> One senior local government IT operator said: “We will have to go through thousands of links and update them all.

If they are any good it will take at most an hour to do a search and replace or two. What nonsense.
4

ThomasP,

29/06/2008 00:32:30
1 Highland Mighty.

"Nationalist MSPs have long campaigned for the change, and a similar move is under way in Wales to have “.cym” made the new Welsh internet domain name. Some in England are pushing for “.eng” for addresses south of the border."

Idiot. The whole country is quite keen to change it.

5

Traquir , Alba,

29/06/2008 00:37:19
Excellent move.

Getting back to real politics
it sounds like Scottish by-election woes
are piling up for Maggie Broon.

"the SNP was preparing for a by-election because a Scottish Labour MP was ill."

And guess what it is NOT Glasgow
East MP David Marshall :)

see - tinyurl.com/4lsfow & tinyurl.com/4kf34m

In terms of the David Marshall by-election
we should start to leverage and
hone our collective Cybernat talents to
prepare the ground work for an SNP
victory. One good starting point will be
to have somebody pop down to Borders
book store in Glasgow's West End
and get a copy of "Halls of Infamy by James MacDonald. The book contains allegations
of yet more Labour sleaze and it
focuses on Glasgow City Hall which is
trying to actively ban the book
see - tinyurl.com/62zol5
The fact that a favorite Labour candidate
for David Marshall's seat is the
Glasgow City Hall Councillor George Ryan
from Ward 19 Shettleston, would make
the Halls of Infamy particularly topical.

Scottish Labour have disgraced Scotland
for way too long and need to be removed
from the political landscape so that
Scotland can prosper as a nation in her
own right. The fact that they are
now officially certified as a bunch
of loonies in addition to being
incompetent and mired in sleaze just
makes it all the more urgent to have
them committed and carried off sooner
rather than later.

Saor Alba
6

Traquir , Alba,

29/06/2008 00:37:36
What could be more sweet than a couple
of Scottish MP by-election wins for
the SNP ? Well how about a defection that
would work :) How about this one previously
predicted by the impressive
and very reliable
Scottish journalist Paul Hutcheon.
Quite likely all that he got wrong was
the timing and likely now would be
the perfect time before the Labour
ship sinks completely.

"Labour MP poised for defection to SNP POLITICS: SECRET TALKS"

tinyurl.com/5xz22y
7

tartan army 2222,

29/06/2008 00:54:15
Scottish passports next please.

#1 Highland Mighty
Unlike Westminster who have ridden roughshod over the wishes of nationalists for three hundred years! Clear majority? You sure? Only one way to find out.
8

Hamish Scott,

29/06/2008 00:56:15
You can always count on Scotsman Newspapers to find the most negative angle on what is actually a positive piece of news.
9

tartan army 2222,

29/06/2008 00:58:00
#8 Traquir

tinyurl.com/5xz22y

I'm an ardent nationalist and would love to put faith in the fact the MP is going to defect, but I think it would have happened by now if it was going to happen. lol check the date of the article
10

Traquir , Alba,

29/06/2008 01:26:17
9 tartan army 2222,

"I'm an ardent nationalist and would love to put faith in the fact the MP is going to defect, but I think it would have happened by now if it was going to happen. lol check the date of the article"

You are correct that is why I said
quite likely all that Paul Hutcheon got wrong
was the timing :) Paul Hutcheon is
an impressive journalist so I would be willing
to believe there is something behind this
rather than just the usual gossip doing the rounds.
These things are very sensitive and can take quite
a bit of time, and circumstances now are
even more ripe than before for
a defection to take place. That said I agree
with you it would be a long shot, but I'm
a betting man so what the heck :)
11

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29/06/2008 01:43:49
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12

Traquir , Alba,

29/06/2008 01:47:14
12 AM2,Scotland

In the classic Alex Salmond style I refer you
to my answer to your first question (#10).
If you are unable to modify your subsequent
questions to the previous answers there
is no real point you asking any more questions.
13

Raj Persaud's ghost writer,

29/06/2008 02:33:37
11 , you clearly don't know the domain system.

.sco is the top level domain.

such as .co.sco
.gov.sco
.org.sco


"scotland.gov.sco ?" - it should just be gov.sco ;-)
14

Raj Persaud's ghost writer,

29/06/2008 02:42:12
#14 - Did you know AM2 is now a persona, not an actual real person.

15

Raj Persaud's ghost writer,

29/06/2008 02:42:46
I would say a pretentious .............. but not persona.
16

John PM,

Edinburgh 29/06/2008 03:06:54
Good news. It's been a long time coming and congrats to the .sco campaign that have campaigned for this.
17

John PM,

Edinburgh 29/06/2008 03:19:33
No comments allowed on the grossly biased peace by Tom Brown about Wendy Alexander.

"Alexander's obvious bitterness at the Holyrood process and the SNP stitch-up is understandable. It is shared by Downing Street, where one Brownite said: "There is cold fury at this style of politics."

The SNP's involvement smacks of vendetta, Holyrood's handling of the affair has left a bad taste and the political impartiality of the Standards Committee is now in question.

For MSPs to rush away on holiday while a major committee was deliberating on an important question requiring the full Parliament's approval, hamstringing Labour through-out the recess, smacked of cynicism."

In fact Wendy was guilty as charged and for her to blame others only shows the self delusion which led her to give herself marks of 10-10 for her own abysmal incompetent performance.

I predict that we will get a new duller Labour leader, step forward Andy Kerr, Jack McConnell mark II (or maybe wee Jack himself will be dug up and resucitated, Malawi could get a new Labourite stooge easily after all but Labour will rightly dread two by-elections!) who will be duly steamrollered by Alex Salmond, no matter how many psychiatrists they get to analyse him (a clear sign of desperation, what's next, astrologists?).

I'll save them some cash, the unionists are on the wrong side of the argument, that is why Salmond is thrashing them at FMQ's, he believes what he says and talks Scotland up, they deliberately talk Scotland down because it suits their political purposes.

The killer blow will now come from Glasgow, history repeats itself, anyone remember Glasgow Govan?

Happy days.
18

Roy,

29/06/2008 07:19:28
Now something needs to be done about those drop-down boxes of countries that deny Scotland's existance.
19

danielrober,

29/06/2008 08:06:58
Sounds like good marketing tool for selling online products.

Its one of those little issues that much to the disapointment of politicans has nothing to do with politics. Its about marketing. Probably belongs is the same catergory of had a good night out, with a bit of flirting. Its just that some people think a flirt means marriage (or in this case divorce).

P.S can't see why we don't have Scotland, England, Wales, Northern Ireland, Great Britain and UK passports. We are only talking about a cover, the inside will still provide the same information. We are missing a sales opportunity here.
20

The Tin Man,

29/06/2008 08:27:03
#21 danielrober

Very funny. Could lead to the same problems encountered trying to change Scottish banknotes abroad. I remember trying to change them in Abu Dhabi, and having to barter for an exchange-rate 10% less than for English notes in the souk. None of the official exchanges would touch them.
21

danielrober,

29/06/2008 08:40:46
# 23

Sounds like you were taken. I normally take dollars out of the UK as i like the size of the 100 bill and they are very useful. I got into the habit when i was younger as i had lots of Belgium Franc's travelling around Europe. It was an exchange nightmare. By them way i've had the same problems with the £ generally. Everyone likes the $ and the dot com.
22

Richardinho,

29/06/2008 09:10:44
'One senior local government IT operator said: “We will have to go through thousands of links and update them all. '

In this day and age, could they not do it with computers?
23

Nikostratos,

29/06/2008 09:23:49
Aint those snp ministers w'nkers got better things to do apart from pi''ing about on the internet and hounding poor old Wendy.
24

The Tin Man,

29/06/2008 09:24:47
#24 danielrober

I always ask the teller for English notes if I am travelling - never had a problem with them, and wouldn't want to be double-dunted on exchange commision.
25

Jim P,

Netherlands 29/06/2008 09:29:37
"it will have many IT managers tearing their hair out"

Ay right! IT managers, consultants and companies will make money fae this.

BTW, try finding Scotland on a drop-down address menu on the internet. Scotland disnae exist!

Roll on Independence, one wee step at a time!
26

MisterN,

Scotland 29/06/2008 10:04:02
Does it really matter? does anybody really bother whats written at the end of a web address or an Email?
Is there anything stopping English local authorities from putting eng. at the end of their web addresses or emails would anybody give a sh*t?
27

MisterN,

Scotland 29/06/2008 10:06:25
23

Another union benefit for Scotland?

Another good reason why Scotland should leave the union and become independent then isnt it?
28

MisterN,

Scotland 29/06/2008 10:07:47
11

Are you disapointed about your council tax freeze as well troll? would you rather be paying 4% more?
29

MisterN,

Scotland 29/06/2008 10:09:06
2

The majority are undecided that doesnt mean they support the union troll.
30

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29/06/2008 10:19:03
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31

bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 29/06/2008 10:27:46
he censored word is a reference to a character to talks a lot of urine.

32

eric,

29/06/2008 10:42:21
its all changing anyway i may have .punk
33

HEN BROON 5,

ALBA being held back by the UK 29/06/2008 11:48:47
How predictable and North Korean this paper has become.

Mr. Editor, what exactly are you hoping to achieve by preventing comments on the Alexander sagas?

Don't you think now she has resigned that you cannot protect her any more?

The Sunday Herald has comments, although I could not see any from AM2, so if they can manage what is so special about this paper?

Do you think your circulation will increase because of this Korean censoring?

Do you have the guts to come on here and answer questions?

Will you leave this post up?

What will you do when Scotland declares independence?



ALBA GU BRATH.
34

lulach mac gille coemgain,

29/06/2008 12:06:53
.xxx .sex and .porn on it’s way also - soon it’ll be easier to keep tabs on all you filthy pervs !
35

Liberal for life,

Dunblane 29/06/2008 13:04:16
For goodness sake, is this really what it has now come to in terms of priority for this wee nation of ours. This is yet more pretty pathetic evidence of the inward looking navel gazing type excercises that exorcise the nationalists. If they want to change it from .uk then change to something like .eu or .com or .net or .org as this type of nit picking is a distraction from the health and wealth of our communities. So there!
36

The Tin Man,

29/06/2008 14:00:14
#36 Hen Broon

So why is the Herald also littered with similar slaggings?
37

danielrober,

29/06/2008 16:08:53
# 27 The Tin Man

Ah, a very wise traveller.

# 39 AM2,Scotland,UK

Much to the disapointment of certain people the choice of passport cover would be mainly bought by sports fans (not freedom fighers). Just as this new designation for the internet will be employed by sales people selling goods and services not a national divorce.
38

ptdoug,

29/06/2008 16:15:33
WHO IS THE TEAM WENDY MOLE?

The "Scottish" Press seem determined not to investigate this question... indeed to continue to spin in Labours favour... that it was a fiendish SNP black-op.

WHO IS THE TEAM WENDY MOLE?

Wendy was stabbed in the back by one of her closest aides within the Labour Holyrood group. Who did the dirty deed?

WHO IS THE TEAM WENDY MOLE?

Perhaps a loose knit team of cyber-sleuths could do the job that the Scottish Press, and Scottish Labour, are running scared of.

WHO IS THE TEAM WENDY MOLE???

Go to it kids.
39

karinxxx,

29/06/2008 17:24:46
43 pt doug

There isnt one labour mole there are two.

Now i wonder who will get the labour group leader job and who will get the deputy job?

I tell you who it isnt its not jackie ballie or duncan mcneil.
40

karinxxx,

29/06/2008 17:28:07
one other thing who distanced themselves from wendy a little while back?
41

Schot,

dot Scot 29/06/2008 17:40:12

Sco to me on a computer screen suggests Sco-Unix. but it is the ISO code for Scots already. It's just people don't drive around with Sco bumper stickers, it is always Alba or Scotland.

You do all realise it is perfectly possible, and just as cheap, to have dot Scot. And it rhymes.

Tuvalu.sold their assigned top level domain name - dot TV - for mega-bucks , since it was desirable to business. So we should really choose a domain name with an eye to reselling it. With that in mind, I think we should choose dot girls or dot rich or dot computers. Make up some Gallic word that justifies whatever word you choose.
42

Schot,

FLA TLD 29/06/2008 17:56:31
Dot Scot would also mean we'd also be the first country with a four letter acronymn top level domain.

Dot Scot is also far more inuitive.
43

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29/06/2008 18:28:42
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44

inkster,

Marykirk 29/06/2008 18:33:50
For me .sco is uncool. Reminds me or a scouring pad. The metonomy is all wrong. I can think several better ones. www.xxx.cal, www.xxx.alba, or best of all and universally recognised www.xxx.jock.

45

Eve,

Scotland 29/06/2008 18:36:08
#11 AM2: It's Not the minsters who will be altering the adress it will be the IT people.

Oh I gaver from your responce that ye work in IT and will have to update the adress, when this changed.

Read the artcle again "Catalonia has the right to end its websites “.cat”.". They possibley exerse there right as well.


46

Eve,

Scotland 29/06/2008 18:41:23
I hope this is extended to emails I'd love to have my email adress to ending in ".sco"

I wish all website that ask you where you live would have Scotland in the country scroll bar. I deffently think twice before regersting in some job searching websites because I feel unhappy about declaring myself as living in the UK.
47

Eve,

Scotland 29/06/2008 18:42:56
#49 inkster: Are they alloud to be 4 letters long? Thought they had to be 2 or 3 letters long.
48

Eve,

29/06/2008 18:47:35
#21 danielrober: What!!!

Preonal I don't give a ***** what the outside of a passport says, you can awalys buy a cover for it. It's whats in the passport what counts.

I want my passport to say I'm Scottish NOT the same as it currently say.
49

danielrober,

29/06/2008 20:10:13
# 53

Hmmm.

I once met a man who was not nice. He worked on passport control (not UK). Every time a Scot went through he called them English. Everytime an English football fan went through he asked them where their kilt was. Everytime time a Canadian went through he complained about 'their' American policy. Everytime an American went through he would say god save the king. I won't even tell you what he said about people from South Africa - oh dear!

Some people judge a book by its cover and person by their passport. Its just a bit of paper - if football fans want to support their team with tato's, flags and stickers on cars - why not a passport cover.

P.S you sound like this passport persons relative or have you been through his customs post? In which case i do understand.
50

danielrober,

29/06/2008 20:11:55
# AM2

Don't worry if the politicals from Scotland and England divorce. Don't pay their bill move in with me in Wales :-)

Their whisky is gettig better.
51

Eve,

Scotland 29/06/2008 21:46:20
#54 danielrober: My point is you can buy covers for yer passports. There widly avabile these days in airports, department stores and some catuloges. Personally the cover doesn't bover me. (please read my last paragrph if you want to know why)

My problem is the lie about my nationality. I personally don't identify my in that manner and feel a wee bit anoid that when you got certain countries outside the EU and Europe that you have to filling a form with your passports nationality and your personally nationality.

Nationality is what the individual feels and identifies them self as NOT what some out of date home office labels you.

An Irish (Repubilic) guy I once met showed me their passport. I couldn't tell the diffrence from the cover. It was the same or similair color of text (with similair font)and background as mine, only diffferenve I could see was a diffrent emblem. I geuss this is where being dyslexic becomes a total blessing. Whats written on the cover of my passport shall never bovver me cause I canne read the writting on it.
52

fatboyslim,

dumfries 30/06/2008 00:21:47
This story is not written by clear by an IT expert or anyone with knowledge of how internet naming works. If they knew how it worked they would come up with better agruments against the snp proposal. I can give the a better one

Firstly ICANN are not recommending the .sco name at all infact they rejeceted it before on the basis that it scotland is not a country
What a lot of folk dont know is that ICANN the organisation that decides top level domain names ie. .net .com are freeing the market allow companies and organisations to buy the rights to make up what ever new top level domain names they want such as .sco or
.whateveryouwant
But at a price several thousand pounds
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7474889.stm
so forget the silly arguments that non IT journalists not really in the clued up on how domain names work and coming up with rubbish arugments like having to change domain names as they can be changed with a click of a button and quicker than me writing this post. and ask yourself is this really appropriate to spend tax payers money to set up a new .sco domain name that is for political motivation only and not benefiting taxpayers?
53

Castaway,

30/06/2008 00:44:56
#1: Just another example of the SNP running roughshod over the wishes of the clear majority of us who are in favour of the UK.
Surely you meant: Just another example of the SNP running roughshod over the wishes of the clear majority of us who are in favour of the .UK (domain name) ?
54

fatboyslim,

dumfries 30/06/2008 00:53:29
regarding my last comment no 57
i would also like to add that under this propsal icann establishing that top level domain names such .sco can be created for a price.
If the snp go ahead and buy and set up a .sco domain name will they allow others to register and us the domanin name if they do then that means a government body has control over a domain name which has many implications currenly no government body of any kind owns a domain name that i know of certain not in this country anyway. the government does not own the rights to .co.uk as it cannot stop or decide who can use the domain name. .co.uk
Whereas if the .sco propsals go through the scottish government wil own it. will the then decided and be held accountable for what websites can register and use .sco
all of this must be considered

55

pppink,

30/06/2008 08:13:36
I wonder how much Am2 would pay the .nb domain?
56

Schot,

30/06/2008 09:59:04
A country code top-level domain is normally based on the ISO code ofr that country, but not always - dot UK for example should be dot GB. With Guersney, Jersey and the Isle of Man all have a ccTLD suggests we do need one - even most Scottish unionists would admit Scotland is more of a country that those islands.

By buying a generic top-level domain (gTLD) such as .SCO it means that when Scotland does become independent then the chosen name is likely to stay in use, which is why it is dot UK not dot GB. JANET had already started using UK before they were assigned GB.

Either way I find it surprising that any IT person would complain about 'the expense' of buying a gTLD given how valuable they can be. Tuvalo gets $1 million every 3 months for the next 12 years, and the potential business from domain hacks.

And yes, you'll be able to be have .Sco in your email address.
57

The Sprucer,

30/06/2008 15:02:52
Well AM2 even the Italians must love their tautology:

www.italia.gov.it/
58

GeorgeR,

Glen Allen, Virginia - USA 30/06/2008 16:46:42
The fat lady has started to sing ... did anyone notice?

"Hey, at least we were the world's superpower during the last Century ... let's not get greedy!"

Let there be no doubt about it. The biggest financial asset this country controls, by far, is the English language. We do not own the language, but we control its use in a certain way all around the world.

How? Because our language, and our alphabet, has been the standard that has been used throughout the first two stages of the Internet over the past 18 years. What, these days, is more dominant and valuable than the Internet?

But all of that is about to change. The Internet in entering into "round three". Round three will see more changes in three years then we have seen in total in the first eighteen. Significantly more.

The most important international business meeting of this century, and probably of the last century as well, took place in Paris this past week. It got surprisingly little press coverage.

Do you know what it was all about and how it is likely going to impact your life?

Can't you hear the fat lady singing in the background?

Everything is about to change. It will change the way we eat, the way we communicate, the way we drive, the number of children we have, the way we travel, the vacations we take, who wins the Super Bowl, and the way we interact with each other. It will change EVERYTHING. Including the balance of economic power we have become used to for the past 80+ years.

Last week, ICANN, the non-profit organization that governs the Internet, after years and years of debate, officially opened up the Internet to everyone on the planet. They voted overwhelmingly to implement a system that could double or triple the number of web sites and domain properties in existence and how we get to them from anywhere around the world. They gave a huge edge to large corporations and government entities, but what law have you seen in the past ten years that didn't further shif
59

dido-bendigo,

Scotland 30/06/2008 20:08:54
#23 The Tin Man.

I once told a Greek tour guide that I lived in Scotland. He said, "that's the same as England isn't it? I said, "well, England is quite near to Scotland"! The English tourists were delighted! With this major change of e-addresses (which is bound to cost far more than estimated), will there be a note explaining where sco is?



I tried to change some notes in a bank in America. I told the teller that it was Pounds Stirling. She went away and returned a few minutes later with the query " which country has the Pound Stirling as it's currency"?

When / If we achieve independence - what will we call our currency?
60

john z,

edinburgh 30/06/2008 23:56:28
The whining above regarding IT bosses having to change thousands of links is not what it seems.

Any competent webmaster can alter links almost with the click of a mouse, provided they constructed their sites well in the first place. It really isn't difficult. IT people tell paying clients that it is really difficult so they can bill for hours of work which was actually completed in a few seconds.


Sorry IT guys, look like I've spilled the beans...
61

Comment is Free,

U.S. 01/07/2008 19:13:19
In the words of "ABBA" "The game is on again, a lover or a friend..."
62

Russell M,

Stirling 18/07/2008 07:44:19
The modern epidemic of "can't-be-bothered" is hardly a moral justification for the status quo. Many of the same arguments were made in the Eighteenth and Nineteenth Centuries to keep slavery. Forced association is a form of human rights abuse, since it violates the principles of freedom and autonomy. Unlike the marriage the divorce may not enrich the chosen few. How can we claim to be tolerant of diversity when Scottishness is still viewed as a social disease? Scotland was one of the original colonies of the British Empire. Many of the policies of subjugation and assimilation were perfected here first. Independence for Scotland is the right thing to do. Now if we can just trade that Westminster clone sitting at Holyrood for a truly democratic institution we might stand a chance.
63

Dalgla,

Edinburgh 19/07/2008 00:57:05
*1 Highland Mighty
I've seen yer pro-breatunn posts before but yer never give a ****** clue when forumites ask ye...
Where are ye from ?
Again ... Where are ye from F I?
Are ye posting from America? Egypt? Jupiter?
Are ye a Sasunnach lassie?
Get a life.

*Eve
I entirely agree yer wise comments.
Good bless ye.

Alba gu brath.

 

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