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Husbands in forced marriages face rape charges



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Published Date:
23 March 2008
HUSBANDS involved in forced marriages could face prosecution for rape under tough new laws being planned by leading Scottish Asians.
As many as 300 young women are believed to be coerced into marriage against their will annually in Scotland, with violence and even murder being the result in a small number of cases.

England is introducing new civil laws to ban the practice sout
h of the border, but heads of the Islamic community in Scotland are pushing for new criminal sanctions.

As well as prosecuting husbands for rape, relatives involved in forced marriages could find themselves charged with aiding and abetting a crime.

Among those leading the campaign is Bashir Ahmad, a Nationalist MSP in Glasgow, who became aware of the extent of forced marriage while a councillor in the city.

He said: "If forced marriages were a criminal offence it would be a real deterrent and I will be bringing forward a Private Members Bill on this. Making it a civil offence might be a good first step but it may not go far enough."

Osama Saeed, chairman of the Scottish-Islamic Foundation, said forced marriages were slowly on the decline, but added: "I cannot help but feel this would be speeded along by effective legislation in the area. Last year the Forced Marriages Act brought in civil measures to deal with the issue in England. This gives the courts more powers to step in to help victims, even before an actual wedding has taken place."

But he said Westmisnter had "shied away" from creating a specific criminal offence. "This was because MPs took the view that it may stop victims coming forward to seek help if a parent would go to jail as a result. I don't see why criminality can't be an option, with it being left to the victim whether or not to press charges. I do wonder why offences such as rape have not been used to prosecute to date.

"Creating new legislation now though, to deal with the incidents of forced marriage that do exist, will send out a strong message that this violation of human rights will not be tolerated."

Forced marriages – which are different from the accepted practice of arranged marriages – are still part of life in Britain's Asian communities. In 1996, before becoming Britain's first Muslim MP, Mohammad Sarwar travelled to Pakistan to bring back two Glasgow girls, Rifat Haq, 20, and sister Nazia, 13, who had been forced into marriage by their father.

Around 300 cases of forced marriage are reported to the UK Government's Forced Marriage Unit every year although campaigners believe the true figure is much higher. More than 80% of victims of forced marriages are women, most between the ages of 15 and 24.

Last month, an English coroner concluded that 17-year-old Shafilea Ahmed had been unlawfully killed because she had resisted efforts to force her into an unwanted marriage.

The new civil legislation being introduced by Westminster will create a list of 'third parties', such as teachers, social workers, women's rights groups and local councils, who would have the authority to go to court to try to prevent families from forcing their children into marriage in Britain.

Those served with a forced marriage protection order would be required to stop the marriage and stay away from the victim. A breach of the order would be classed as contempt of court and liable to a heavy fine or up to two years in jail.

Nuzrat Raza, who runs a refuge for women fleeing forced marriages in Glasgow, said: "The legislation in Scotland is not adequate and we need something that addresses the question of forced marriages directly. We need the English legislation at the very least. "

A Scottish Government spokeswoman said it was looking at whether it should create civil legislation on forced marriage. "We will seek the views of the public, including those affected by forced marriage and the agencies providing support to them," she said.

Constant pressure and a beating

Saima doesn't know which was the worst. The constant emotional pressure from her father to travel to Pakistan to marry a man she didn't know or the beating by her younger brother, trying to intimidate her into bending to her father's will.

Saima, not her real name, was just 18 when the nagging began in her Glasgow home. But with her mother having reluctantly fled to escape her abusive father, she decided to stay behind to protect her two younger sisters.

She said. "My father would just use this heavy, heavy emotional blackmail to try to get me to agree, saying: 'It would make me so proud if you were to get married.'

"It's not like he dragged me out of the house and forced me on to a plane to Pakistan but just this constant pressure.

"It was hard resisting but I would rather have a hard life than an unhappy one. My mum had enough of that."

Her fathers' justification was that with three teenage daughters to look after, he needed them to be married off at a young age. His brother agreed and one night attacked Saima to try to get her to change her mind. "He beat me up," she says simply. "But I was determined not to give in because I didn't know what would happen to my sisters."

Last year, with her youngest sister now living in England with her mother she and her other sister took the decision to also flee the family home. Saima and her sister sought help at a refuge for women who have been victims or potential victims of forced marriages. They now share a flat and have cut all contact.

"I have never spoken to my dad or my brother since we left. There is no justification at all for what they wanted me to do."



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1

weeshooie1,

Wollongong 23/03/2008 01:21:17
Power to the women.
2

W Smith,

Middle East 23/03/2008 01:25:51
1) "Forced marriages - which are different from the ACCEPTED practice of arranged marriages.."

'Accepted' by who?

What's the difference between the Dad 'arranging' the marriage and 'forcing' the marriage on his daughter?

2) Its not up to the 'asians' to bring in this legislation, or any legislation. THEY DON'T GET TO PICK AND CHOOSE.

3) So you think Osama Saeed wants to give muslims the right to abandon their faith?

In a democracy, even white Europeans can change their faith and become muslims, or catholics or protestant evangelicals, or even practice JUDAISM!

To abandon the muslim faith is called 'apostasy' and under Sharia Law carries the death penalty!

You think Salmond's got the backbone to bring this up?

NAAAHHHH!

4) What we have in Britain is muslims living in a dictarorship, within a democracy, and woe betide anyone who upsets the Imams!
3

Rozz Fyffe,

scotland 23/03/2008 03:11:56
great news, about time that those women were looked after,

there is nothing else I can say that lord haw haws of the Islamic apologist salmond would approve of
4

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 23/03/2008 07:05:10
About time too. These bizarre religious/ cultural practices must be abandoned at the border.
5

A Better Way,

Edinburgh 23/03/2008 08:01:14
Of course knuckleheads like SMITH the Neo Nazi rant their usual bigoted tripe about Scottish Muslims. But as usual he is a part of the lunatic right wing cowards who rant rubbish.

The practice of forced marriages is an abomination against women, no matter what the circumstances. However instead of crashing in with SMITHS jackboots, perhaps it can be worked out far better with the support of my fellow Scots who happen to be Muslims. There has got to be compromise by the Scottish Muslims, because if they want to be part of the Scottish Community, its all in, without getting to pick the bits that suit them. Second, third and fourth or more generation Scottish Muslim Youths should be allowed to start and have open healthy relationships with suitable Scottish Christian Youth, thats if they genuinely want to be 100% part of Scotland. Of course that scenario applies both ways and to any other Scot of different cultures.

If it happens then whae would stop us, we would be magic. Lets show the world now.
6

Colin Wilson,

Aberdeen 23/03/2008 08:29:51
Re #2 : "What's the difference between the Dad 'arranging' the marriage and 'forcing' the marriage on his daughter?"

It seems fairly obvious: in the former case, the daughter's "no" would be accepted for an answer, and in the latter case, it wouldn't.

Actually, I don't think arranged marriages are necessarily a bad thing, as long as the young people's happiness takes top priority and the final say is theirs alone. Parents are generally older and wiser, and often have a better idea of who would make a good match, when young people can be too easily swayed by superficial qualities.
7

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 23/03/2008 08:37:00
I see that Christian chuches are permitted in Arab countries as long as they have no bells, steeples or crosses.

I suggest we apply the same (equivalent) restrictions to Mosques here.

Of course really all mainstream religions are alien imports and should be banned.
8

Gothic Rose,

23/03/2008 09:35:21
Forced marriages,[without exception] should come under the auspice of "ABUSE" therefore a criminal offence.
9

Tweedmouth,

Coldstream 23/03/2008 10:06:19
#5 "Second, third and fourth or more generation Scottish Muslim Youths should be allowed to start and have open healthy relationships with suitable Scottish Christian Youth, thats if they genuinely want to be 100% part of Scotland. Of course that scenario applies both ways and to any other Scot of different cultures."

You really are living in PC Lalaland. If a mUslim girl wanted to marry a white indigenous scot, her father would more likely cut her throat - or she would 'accidentally' be burned to death in a kitchen fire with oil or paraffin. Get this through your head Mr PC, traditional muslims regard you as morally lower than the sh*t on their shoe. The word 'Islam' means 'submission' and you can either submit or remain a 'kaffir' - an unbelieving dog. Integration? Don't make me laugh.
10

Neanderthal75,

Rocky Mountains USA 23/03/2008 11:07:25
Hello A Better Way,

Happy Easter!!

You really need to separate your personal political beliefs/biases from the reality of Quranic Doctrine.

The fact is that the Noble Quran as well as the Hadith, clearly state that ANY Muslim who converts to another religion, thereby abandoning Islam, IS guilty of 'apostasy'.

The doctrine continues, stipulating that ANY 'good and faithful' Muslim MUST EXECUTE any Muslim found to be guilty of 'apostasy'.

Killing Muslims who convert to another religion (such as the Egyptian Journalist who was baptized into the Catholic Church today in Rome) is not merely optional, it is REQUIRED of all 'good and faithful' Muslims.

The Egyptian journalist has just painted a target on his back, which thousands of Muslims will try and strike.

This is not my personal subjective opinion, it is Quranic/Hadithic doctrinal FACT.

I urge you to study the Noble Quran and the Hadith, so that you can learn that Islam is NOT the 'tolerant' religion, which is believed, by so many in the Politically Correct Crowd.

Cheers from the Rockies
11

Dave from Barra ©,

Western Isles 23/03/2008 11:53:13
This isn't about "power to women" rather it's a mechanism to empower men.

The empowerment is done by coersion/force call it what you want. Basically, the man involved in one of these awful arranged marraiges will think twice in accepting it if he knows he can be done for rape.

More power to your elbow lads, this may be a good thing.
12

Stefania Alvarez,

23/03/2008 12:07:37
Famous proverb:-
"I was walking down the road and thought I saw a man and woman approach ... but it was only a man and his property""

Islam treats women worse than camels !!!

Muslim men get married and expect their wives to be their bottle-washers and 'son-factories'

This proposed law may be a start ... but Islam is by it's very nature anti-women!!!
13

Stefania Alvarez,

Leeds 23/03/2008 12:12:43
The whole ethos of Islam is anti-women.

Take Saudi Arabia for instance.
There women can't drive cars; own a business; or travel unless permitted to do so by a father; male relative or their husband.

Mosques in Scotland are no different from mosques elsewhere.
The practices of Islam are standard!!!

Islam treats it's women as subhumans!!!
14

A.K.,

edinburgh 23/03/2008 13:26:19
Ive got to laugh at some of the racist drivel here.
I am a woman who was born into a Muslim family.
I do not follow the Muslim religion any more than I follow any religion.
I married a Scottish man and have 3 beautiful children.
I still speak to my family, I have not been excommunicated from society, I haven't been threatened with physical violence, I am not in fear of my life, I drive, I work and I am certainly NOT inferior to anyone, man or woman!
The only time I was made to feel afraid, was battered within an inch of my life, was not allowed to go out, talk to men or wear clothes that were revealing, was when I was going out with a Scottish guy.
Now I am not going to be a bigot and tar every Scotsman with the same brush...unlike some here who say all Muslims think alike...but lets say there are good and bad in every culture.
Most of the Muslim men I know in Scotland are actually very decent to their women, be they black, brown white yellow, Jew, Christian, Hindu or Muslim.
Please excuse me if I have not mentioned your creed or colour. It is meant to be a random sample!!!
15

Anthony,

Glasgow 23/03/2008 13:51:16
Under the Scotland Act the Scottish Parliament doesn't have the power to create a new serious criminal offence. So, they will either need to create a rape related offence with a minor sentence. Smart move? Perhaps not - what sort of message would this send out? Or, they will need to argue that this isn't a new offence, but is rape in an elongated but still very real form. The question which then arises, is why is this then being treated any differently from common rape? And why haven't people abusing women in this fashion, been prosecuted already?

Civil legislation is another option. But what is this saying? If you're an asian man who rapes an asian woman, you get let off with civil sanctions and not even a criminal record? This seems a dangerous course to sail.
16

Neanderthal75,

Rocky Mountains USA 23/03/2008 14:16:05
Hello AK,

Re your #14:

I must point out that I doubt you are a Muslim, or for that fact, you may not be a woman; that is one of the downsides of the Net.

The gross misnomer you start with leads me to the above conclusion: '..racist drivel'; this is yet another in a long, long, long, line of Politically Correct Neo-Fascist hoopla, meant to misdirect the entire debate.

It is NOT possible to be 'racist' against Muslims, as Muslims come in all skin colors: white, black, brown, red, 'yellow', etc. Therefore, when one is anti-Islam, one might be called a 'bigot' but not a 'racist.'

White Neo-Fascists (Social Progressives of the Politically Correct Persuasion) use the line you did, which leads me to believe that such is exactly what you are, posing as a Muslim woman.

I must also point out that nothing you said refutes either the Quranic requirement to execute ANY Muslim who converts to another religion. The case of the Afghani who had to flee Afghanistan, after the State Legal Court System condemned him to DEATH for converting to Christianity, disproves your entire false spiel.

The Hadith clearly stipulates that the Prophet REQUIRED all Muslims converting to another religion to be executed, ON SIGHT, by any 'good and faithful' Muslim.

No amount of lies from you will change the printed words of the Prophet or his followers, which any interested person can confirm, by simply buying a used copy of the Noble Quran or the volumes of the Hadith.

Cheers from the Rockies
17

John S,

23/03/2008 14:46:10
Extract from poem: Rantings of an Arabian Woman

I am born - a man chooses my name,
I am taught - to appreciate that he did not bury me alive,
I learn - what he wants me to know,
I marry - who he wants me to marry,
I eat - what he wants me to eat,
If he dies - another man controls my life
A father, a brother, a husband, a son, a man
Then they tell me when I die I am going to be judged on my man-made life.
I can't be judged I'll never be judged...
It is just another rant buried in the Kingdom of Sand

by Mystique
18

Colin Wilson,

Aberdeen 23/03/2008 16:30:28
Re #11 : "The empowerment is done by coersion/force call it what you want. Basically, the man involved in one of these awful arranged marraiges will think twice in accepting it if he knows he can be done for rape."

I don't understand this bit. If this is a forced marriage, isn't the man as much a victim as the woman? How much scope to "think twice" will he have?
19

Shug,

23/03/2008 16:34:45
This is just nonsense. There is no need to change the law. The offences of rape, assualt etc exist already. A husband can be guilty of raping or beating his wife. A forced marriage (i.e. under duress) will not be legal. It all revolves around the issues of consent and is already well covered by our laws.
20

Stefania Alvarez,

23/03/2008 17:21:58
Number 14 ... A.K.
If you are actually a Muslim women (I share number 16's scepticism) ... you are in the extreme minority.

Try living in Saudi where you would be forbidden to drive a car or stoned to death for adultery.

Or in Iran where the 'religious police' routinely arrest women and girls for looking too "Westernised"

Or in any backward Muslim country where women / girls are treated automatically as dirty and something shamefull!!
21

Stefania Alvarez,

23/03/2008 17:31:38
A.K. ... have just read your post again ... I now firmly agree with number 16.

You are a white man who has been manipulated and made to feel ashamed / have low self-esteem about your own roots.

As Neanderthal75,Rocky Mountains USA said:
... it is not RACIST
... to criticise Islam since Islam is a religious persuasion and not a skin colour.
You obviously have some 'hidden agenda' or are awhite man who goes to "Stop the War" meetings and is taken in.
Now as regards the 'drivel' spouted at meetings of that coilition of Lefties; idiots; has-beens; cowards; and apologists for Islam also known as Stop the War ... you need to open your eyes to the reality of the situation.

In Iran just now the government is trying to enforce the death sentence for anyone who dares commit the crime of giving up being a Muslim !!!

However apologists for creeping Sharia like you want to maintain the LIE that Islam is NICE !!!
22

A.K.,

edinburgh 23/03/2008 17:33:35
sorry to disappoint the doubters but I am a woman and I was born into a muslim family...like I said. And I know many women like me here in Scotland.
Same ppl just cannae take the truth
23

A.K.,

edinburgh 23/03/2008 17:37:08
Now I'm away to talk to real ppl so steph and co, hav a nice time slagging aff Islam.
24

Britishandproud,

23/03/2008 17:55:46
~23

If what you say about your life is true then you, are in the minority and not the majority..Enjoy your life because many muslim women cannot enjoy theirs!!
25

Dave from Barra ©,

Western Isles 23/03/2008 18:20:44
Colin@18

Yes, I understand where you are coming from and yes, men are victims too in these marraiges. However, with all arranged marriages, they will be expected to produce children. It's only a simple matter of logic that the woman will be having children and therefore sex, against her will and hence rape.

However, as with your comment, how does it stand that the man is having sex against his will too but not forced by his "wife" but by tradition and family? If this "husband" knows that he can be jailed for having sex with his "wife" under new rape laws, he may "think twice" about either accepting a forced marraige or having sex with his forced wife. Therefore, this law will "empower" him to say no thanks to the marraige.

Hope that clarifies it a wee bitty.
26

Stefania Alvarez,

23/03/2008 18:37:15
AK ... you are as I suspect not a Muslim woman ... or if you are you are fortunate not to live in Saudi; Iran or any other Muslim country where you would be confined to the 'womanly duties' of being a sex-slave and bottle-washer.

Your naiviety and also the tone of your posts is what convinces me that you are a white man kidding on to be Scots of Pakistani extraction.

However it is not RACIST to criticise Islam because it is a religion ... racism is discrimination based on the colour of someones skin !!!

If you lived in a country where Sharia Law was in force you would be stoned to death ... but you would probably be gang-raped first by you male neighbours to "teach you a lesson".

Do your research
... instead of just blindly defending this intolerant; rigid; superstitious; anti-women religion.
27

Stefania Alvarez,

23/03/2008 18:40:56
Also A.K. ...
Instead of mouthing off ... find out about all the women and girls who get beaten and gang-raped in Pakistan and Bangladesh for daring to oppose their parents wishes for a forced marriage.
28

T M,

23/03/2008 18:52:17
"HUSBANDS involved in forced marriages could face prosecution for rape under tough new laws being planned by leading Scottish Asians."

Why does the Scotsman use the term Asians when they really mean Muslims. Most definitions of Asia include Japan, China, Korea etc. and I don't believe there is a problem with forced marriges in these local communities??
29

Stefania Alvarez,

23/03/2008 18:59:44
Number 28 ... T M ... the reason is simple and easily explained ... due to creeping Sharia and the dhimnification of Britain ... our elected officials and the Press Barons are running scared of criticising Islam
... they are so keen and so quick to supplicate and roll over and die
... it is sickening.

But yes Asia is a continent ... however in Britain the term Asian normally refers to people whose ancestors come from the Indian sub-continent.
30

T M,

LA, USA 23/03/2008 19:11:41
#29 I understand what you are saying and completely agree with you. Just for arguements sake though, there are still plenty of people from the Indian sub-continent that are not Muslim and don't participate in forced marriages...
31

Stefania Alvarez,

23/03/2008 19:35:51
Number 30 T M ...
People from Indian rather than Pakistani or Bangladeshi origin tend to be Hidus; Sihks but also Muslim.


The problem is that owing to "political corectness"
... i.e. political naiviety
... the Muslims within Europe and Britain are increasingly defining the agenda.

Our hard-won freedom of speech
... and freedom of expression (and you could argue our very way of life) is being given up
... in order not to "upset" the Muslim minority.

The last ten years in Britain has seen a large increase in the number of mosques and madrassas (religious schools for Muslims).

If you go to a British university you will meet lots of young women wearing the hijab (head scarf) and the burka (full covering with only a slit for the eyes).

This is itself shocking
... since they are surrounded by other young women who wear mini-skirts
... and choose who to see; when to go out; and who they can have as boyfriends.

If Muslim girls between the age of 18 and 22 who are university students do not rebel when they are young ... what chance do they have when they are older???
Why do we allow the male members of their families + the imams at the mosques and madrassas to force them to hide their heads in shame behind a veil???


The politicians (both in National and local government) are scared
... they will not speak out or take the necessary stops to stop Islam turning the clock back on women or impose their strict regiligious bigotry on us.
32

T M,

LA, USA 23/03/2008 20:09:08
#31
Very well said.

I lived in London for almost a year, about 12 years ago and even then the crazy imams at the Finsbury Park mosque were stirring up a lot of trouble. It seems to be much worse now and like you said, because of political correctness people (and especially the media) are afraid to address it directly. If people are not willing to live by the laws and customs of their adopted country, they should leave...or be thrown out...
33

Stefania Alvarez,

23/03/2008 21:05:06
Number 32 ... T M
Yea ... I am amazed how people were shocked by the Glasgow Airport bombing last June and the attacks of July 7th 2005.

These imams have been allowed a free-hand to preach hate for more than 20 years!!!

However our elected politicians do nothing ... they are too scared!!!

Why are people here so keen to roll over and die ??

Why does nobody resist???

Why do the Press speak of Asians when they mean Muslims??

Blair stated after the July 2005 attacks that:
... "the rules have changed !!"

... however there is no evidence of that.

Prime Minister Gordon Brown is busy throwing tax-payers money at courses in Islamic Studies

... the jihadis must be laughing out loud !!!
34

John S,

23/03/2008 22:55:52
#14 I suggest you read the Koran.
4:34: That they must be obedient to their husbands or be admonished (verbally abused), banished from the bed (psychologically abused) and beaten (physically abused).
By Asra Q. Nomani - October 22, 2006.
When dealing with a "disobedient wife," a Muslim man has a number of options. First, he should remind her of "the importance of following the instructions of the husband in Islam." If that doesn't work, he can "leave the wife's bed." Finally, he may "beat" her, though it must be without "hurting, breaking a bone, leaving blue or black marks on the body and avoiding hitting the face, at any cost."

35

oder,

Scotland 24/03/2008 00:12:12
To this day, it is absolutely forbidden for a Muslim woman to marry a non-Muslim man, even though men are not under the same restriction as to their choice of marriage partners. This is is a consequence of the low status of a wife against that of her husband. A Muslim is not allowed to be subordinate to a non-Muslim, and a wife must be subordinate to her husband.



Many contemporary Muslims realize that traditional Islamic practice is painfully out of step with modern tastes, not just on this issue, but on many others. Thus have ensued very imaginative efforts to reinterpret the long held traditions of their religion, exaggerating both the negative treatment of Arab women prior to Muhammad and the reforms that he is said to have brought about.



Muhammad's blunt words on marriage are what they are. On top of this, he forbid women from traveling alone. Nor are they allowed to be alone with a non-relative male. Women must cover themselves, and, when there is sexual sin, nearly always bear the responsibility of guilt, as it is assumed that they did not follow the rules.
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24/03/2008 13:21:27
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Ileach,

25/03/2008 19:51:59
I'v a good friend and work colleague who is Muslim. She has had an arranged marriage, but it was arranged at her say-so, and she passed up any number of suitors that did not "suit" her. In other words, if she said "no", her parents had to take her word for it. She now lives with her husband and 2 children in the US. She initially tried to integrate into local "culture" and took off her hijab, highlighted her hair, etc. Without anyone's doing (certainly not her husband's), she felt uncomfortable and asked for permission from her employer to wear the hijab again. This is a nice, devoutly religious young family who value their son equally to their daughter. Like all (well, most) parents, they provide well for their children and work hard to make a decent life for them. Should the husband falter into a midlife crisis, I have confidence that my friend would hold the family together quite well. My friend, the muslim woman, is one of the most serene, well-adjusted, funny and fun-loving people I've met. I've often used her for an example. And, what's more, neither she nor her husband have ever tried to either harm me, the "infidel", nor have they tried to convert me to Islam. Yet, if you wanted an example, you could take this young family as an example of what a modern, young, upwardly mobile. non-discriminating family should be. It must be that there are Muslims, and then there are Muslim fundamentalist fanatics? I can't tell that there is a difference between Muslin fundamentalist fanatics and, say, Southern Baptist fundamentalist fanatics, who once handed me a pamphlet that read "How EVEN CATHOLICS can get to heaven"!
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Rozz Fyffe,

scotland 30/03/2008 00:42:25
Let women choose ........ otherwise its rape and the males who do it need to die

 

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