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Published Date: 28 September 2008
MOVE over deep-fried Mars Bar, here comes the Munchy Box. A pizza box stuffed with as much as 2,200 calories-worth of assorted fast food has emerged as the latest lunchtime treat for Scotland's schoolchildren.
The boxes sell for £4 to £5, can contain as much as 150 grams of artery-clogging fat, and typically include doner meat, chips, cheese, pakora and – if you're lucky – a token smattering of salad.

Officials in Glasgow are so concerned by lunchtime sales of the boxes to children that they are buying samples to test for nutritional content and will use the results to attempt to badger fast food sellers into changing recipes and portion sizes.

"It is my understanding this is not an uncommon lunch for some kids," said one source at the council, which is desperately trying to ditch its "junk food city" image for the 2014 Commonwealth Games.

Munchy Boxes are a well-established evening treat for grown-ups but reports of lunchtime sales to children have proved too much for council officials.

One spot check on a Munchy Box revealed it contained 136 grams of fat – close to what a normal teenager should be consuming in two days rather than one dinner – and 1,224 calories. A box purchased by this newspaper was estimated to contain in excess of 140 grams of fat and as many as 2,200 calories.

"It's safe to say it's not a particularly healthy lunch," said Gary Walker, who heads Glasgow City Council's Scientific Services, the laboratory that has been testing "alternative school lunches" from a dozen or so council areas across the west of Scotland.

"You would be talking about 10 grams of salt here alone. You are eating something that is heavy in fat and heavy in saturated fat."

Walker is one of Scotland's eight public analysts, certified scientists who work with everybody from trading standards officials to the police.

He stressed that authorities would not sit idly by and watch Munchy Boxes become a playground staple. But officials will face an uphill struggle convincing businesses to change their ways.

Takeaways contacted by Scotland on Sunday declined to comment. Staff at one outlet serving children from a suburban secondary school said they would only usually make a Munchy Box to special request. A worker at an outlet in Glasgow City Centre said Munchy Boxes were aimed at office workers rather than children. Others blamed rivals for the practice.

School dinners are strictly regulated with limits on how much fat, sugar and salt they contain. There are no such rules for takeaways near schools.

Nutritionist Carina Norris said such rules would be "wonderful from a public health point of view" but added "nobody would stand for them from a personal freedom point of view".

She and other experts suspect dangerous trans fats are used in some takeaway deep fryers, but there is no way for the customer to know.

Scottish children were last year named as among the fattest in the world. One in five Scottish five-year-olds is overweight. Quality school lunches are supposed to be the weapon in the fight against childhood obesity.

Ultimately, authorities in Glasgow aim to get as many children as possible back into the school dining hall, where meals are healthier than ever before. So healthy, in fact, that some cynics believed youngsters are shunning them for burger vans, bakeries and Munchy Boxes from the local kebab shop.

The council's response has been to cap the cost of meals at £1.15 for the past three years and issue reward points for healthy eaters, with typical prizes including cinema tickets. Some children have chalked up enough nourishing meals to earn themselves new iPods.

Meanwhile, Norris is currently crunching numbers from a study of what 11 and 12-year-olds in Fife eat when they "graze" the street during their lunch hours.

On average youngsters were consuming 36 grams of sugar, twice the recommended maximum for a whole day and way beyond what would be legal in a school dinner. She said: "A lot of children are buying 'meal deals', a jumbo sausage roll, a fudge donut and a fizzy drink – hardly what we'd recommend for a child's school-day lunch, as it's extremely high in calories, fat and sugar, not to mention low in nutrients and fibre, with not a portion of fruit or veg in sight."

Norris found one child consuming nine times her daily allowance in salt in a single lunchtime.

Another had nine times the daily limit for sugar in her lunch and several were four times above the recommendation for saturated fats.

What's inside

BOX'S PRICE: £5.50

CONTAINS: Cheese and tomato pizza, one slice. 75g

Garlic bread, one slice. 30g

Three vegetable pakora, double deep-fried. Total 100g

Three chicken pakora, double deep-fried. Total 90g

Doner meat, lashed with kebab sauce. 150g

Chips, one portion. 160g

Salad, mostly limp lettuce and freshly cut onion rings. 50g

Tomato sauce. 80g

Calories: 2,218kcal

Total fat: 148.3g

Saturated fat: 38.9g

Sugar: 53.2g

Salt: 12.45g

For an adult male, this is:

87% of recommended daily calories; 148% of recommended daily fat intake; 123% of recommended daily saturated fat intake; 72% of recommended daily sugar intake; 207% of recommended daily salt intake

For a teenage girl, this is:

116% of recommended calorie intake; 197% of fat;

98% of sugar; 207% of salt

Nutrient standards for school lunch (secondary schools)

Calories: no more than 664kcal

Total fat: no more than 25.8g

Saturated fat: no more than 8.1g

Sugar: no more than 19.5g

Salt: no more than 2.23g

Calculations: nutritionist Carina Norris

The full article contains 956 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 27 September 2008 8:59 PM
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1

Charles Linskaill,

Lost in Space for 1week, soo far! 28/09/2008 00:32:23



Well quite honestly I have never seen no "Munchy Boxes" for sale, anywhere I go!

If I did,...'NO-WAY', would I pay £4-£5 for something that looks like,...'Puke'!, far-less even contemplate purchasing it for my Child/Children!

AND!, 'Pray Tell', who could afford this 'Box of Sh*te' for their Child everyday,?


You would have to be,..'Stark-Raving-Bonkers' to even think about purchasing one for yourself, or you Child!

Given this analogy, I doubt very much, it is a 'Big Problem'..

But one must try to stop the few, that are,..

'Killing their Child' by giving them the access to the,...

.......'FOOD-BOX-OF-DEATH'!!!!!



2

Guga II,

Rockall 28/09/2008 00:38:05
#1 Charlie.

Whilst I agree, in general, with your comments on these "Munchy Boxes", why have we got the health fascists buying into it? These Stalinist, totalitarian, control freak Labour Party types seem to want to control not only everything we do, but even everything we eat and drink.

What children eat is the concern of their parents, not these jumped up little Stalinists.
3

Stepford Nat,

28/09/2008 01:08:34
2 Guga

Agreed, although we've got the high ground on drink.

www snp,org.uk - All Eck is saying is give pies a chance!


4

Niknaks,

28/09/2008 01:27:19
In the name of the wee man, who on earth would feed their child the contents of this for lunch? Let alone any other meal?

5

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 28/09/2008 01:54:52


Guga II ~2,

Whilst you must know me by now, I also will rebel against the,...
.......................'Control Freaks'!

..'LONG LIVE THE REVOLUTION'!! :)

BUT! The "FOOD-BOX-OF-DEATH" MUST have Pictures on it, Like they are gong to do on the cigarette packets,

Ya see! The Warning will be there, but Like The cigarette's, the ignorant have been warned!

Not that it will make any difference, those that want to,..'WILL'!

'WILL WHAT'?

'Lesser their Life' by harming themselves,

The Problem is in the case of topic, if the,..
................................... 'FOOD-BOX-OF-DEATH' is Purchased by Parents for their Children, or if one is mad enough, to give a Child, £5 for the,..
.........................'FOOD-BOX-OF-DEATH'

One is aiding and abetting, to their Child's Demise, in other words,...
...............................'Killing their Child'!

In effect, it is like murder, with food, but "food" that no-one would eat, if they had a modicum of intelligence.
6

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 28/09/2008 01:58:09
How many calories does your average child require and how many grammes of fat? We should be told before the pen-pushers suddenly require blood pressure tablets.

Eh, no?
7

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 28/09/2008 02:00:27
Calm down, Charles.
8

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 28/09/2008 02:06:22
Must go to bed.

But before I do I must say that Munchie Boxes have been on the go for a few years now. Pakora, Donor meat, chips etc.

In my area the kids eat the baker out at lunchtime and there is a 4 in 1 in the same precinct. The 4 in 1 has been doing munchy boxes for years. You will never stop kids getting their calorie intake. They need it more than you do.
9

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 28/09/2008 02:08:04
Footnote to 8. You balance their diet out at home - if you can be bothered.
10

Graeme,

Guangzhou 28/09/2008 02:51:38
#2 Gaga

Back to your old ways again i see. Idiot comment.
11

Big Stevie,

Sydneyside 28/09/2008 03:16:49
I would never eat anything from a kebab shop while sober. Drunk is another matter entirely and I would have thought this was the raison d'etre for the Kebab shop.

Any child eating one of these at lunchtime would surely spend the afternoon sleeping it off in class.
12

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 28/09/2008 04:10:48


bring them on ~12,

Yer Joking!, are you not,?

4x 'Mars Bars' would cost under £2 and 2000 calories of a 'death wish'

Try the old,... 'Heinz Beans' cheap and cheerfull, full of goodness and one that is not deprimental to your health,....

..Others Maybe!, if they make you,..'Pump',.. :))
13

Guga II,

Rockall 28/09/2008 06:09:34
#10 Gruamach.

I see the wee dwarf is still hiding in China from his creditors. As you say, another idiotic comment from you. Aren't the Chinese supplying you with sufficient medication?
14

Anton,

Porto Sant'Elpidio 28/09/2008 07:05:04
Everybody should be free to eat what they want. That said, anybody routinely eating junk food should be barred from receiving treatment from the public health system... and smokers too.
15

The Trossachs Hasher,

28/09/2008 07:34:55
"Munchy boxes" are the latest lunchtime treat?

I don't think so.

This is just another variation of the well loved "chip shop" lunch eaten by Scottish schoolchildren for years and years.

At lunchtime at my secondary school in the 70s, the longest queue was the one at the chip shop. Short of the unworkable idea of keeping pupils in school at lunchtime, nothing will stop schoolchildren eating this kind of food.

Anyone tried making a bolshy teenager eat something they don't want to eat?

You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink.
16

Beate,

Vilnius 28/09/2008 07:45:29
Can people really afford to pay over a fiver for a lunch, every day?
17

fife runner,

28/09/2008 08:16:28
#2 so the totalitarian state then has to pick up the tab for the ilnesses caused by such diets. Or are you saying, that the NHS should not be a nanny and let people do what they want and not treat them? As for parents knowing best is that why we have some kids hanging about streets getting drunk and causing mayhem (not all ) when their parents are in the pub also getting drunk.
18

Pilrig,

Livingston 28/09/2008 08:39:34
15 if they have paid there NI then they are legally guaranteed NHS care . So your suggestion is illegal and thus a non-starter.
19

Boy Wonder,

28/09/2008 08:39:56
If schools hadn't dropped the amount of compulsory sports included in the curriculum years ago, the fat kids would be dealt with as a matter of course.
20

Pilrig,

Livingston 28/09/2008 08:41:34
2 - it has to pick up the tab if these kids parents have paid NI.
21

stephenjsmyth,

kildalkey, Ireland 28/09/2008 09:03:44
Do the public seriously beleive that paying National Insurance is a Right to do what you want. Wake up! You might pay a couple of thousand pounds a year to National Insurance. Do you know how much a night in Intensive Care costs? £1000 a night. Do you know how much a heart transplant costs? Diabetes drugs? Blood Pressure drugs? Cholesteral drugs? It is the healthy, who are able to work to 65 who pick up the tab for indulgence. Everyone has a right to healthcare, but get off your high chairs...Your couple of thousand pounds paid to National Insurance is a drop in the ocean of true costs. Your short life!!!
22

Brodric,

28/09/2008 09:55:17
Like Beate (17) , I wonder who can afford this. I personally don't know anyone who would pay this kind of money for their own lunch-break, never mind their child's.

Don't agree that the government should dictate what we do, eat etc - but there are some occasions when they have to look at free market policy and the kind of tripe people are being served.
23

Brodric,

28/09/2008 09:58:08
No 22 - Agree with you. This is just the reason why the government have the right. Because we are not paying up front for medical treatment, Joe Bloggs has no idea how much he benefits in a year of seeing his GP, never mind the cost of a heart transplant.

I think there should be more transparency about actual costs of treatment, education etc. If people don't start taking more care of themselves, the cost in "house-keeping" at country level won't be able to cope. And the NHS is relatively new - it doesn't mean it will always be there. God forbid if we end up like America where many people cannot afford to have essential operations and treatment cos they don't have the dosh.
24

BK,

Cyberspace 28/09/2008 10:01:53
Guga or is it Gaga, I suppose you also approve of selling cigarettes and alcohol to primary children?
25

Pilrig,

Livingston 28/09/2008 10:12:19
22 - everyone (who contributes NI) has a right to health care. End of argument.
26

Pilrig,

Livingston 28/09/2008 10:13:59
22 - so we've to all to pay NI but only those and such as those should recieve treatment ?
27

Pilrig,

Livingston 28/09/2008 10:18:52
26 - for once I agree with you. fat tax may make sense. But please don't expect the money raised from it to go into health services - any more than road tax actually goes towards the upkeep of roads.
28

bluehead,

edinburgh 28/09/2008 10:34:09
children are at more danger from politician's than with their lunch box,if this bunch are in power much longer we will all be so far in trouble that we will never get out of it.
29

Lobo,

28/09/2008 12:00:06
Will the same nanny state that took away your right of self protection take away your children for letting them eat food. Maybe they should weigh the children every week and then fine the parents 10 pounds for every gram they are over the government approved weight.
30

Evan Owen,

Snowdonia 28/09/2008 12:16:58
Must be what Mr Salmond guzzles three times a day.
31

Aghast,

Podebrady 28/09/2008 12:38:35
Looks great. When can I buy one...
32

Euan,

Edinburgh 28/09/2008 12:39:02
How come the pizza slice in the 'munchy box. isn't deep fried?

I mean come on!!
33

Aghast,

Podebrady 28/09/2008 12:39:11
Where can I buy one of these little boxes of gastronomical joy?
34

Media 1,

cape town 28/09/2008 13:14:43
In order to change the fortunes of the children, the mindset of the adults needs to change.

I was fortunate enough to attend school in Glasgow, Edinburgh, Sydney and Johannesburg so when I discuss this subject I do so with emperical evidence. I am able to compare Scotland with other countries and believe me, Scotland falls way short.

When I return to Scotland each year I am always sickened by the slovenly, disgusting attitude of many Scottish children.

1. Introduce uniforms
2. Introduce detentions and punishment for kids who dont abide by the strict rules
3. Introduce compulsory sport and other activities after school
4. Introduce new school times (start class at 08h30 and finish and 14h30 with two tweny five minute breaks)
5. Do not allow the children to leave the school grounds until the school day is complete
6. Introduce a tuck shop that sells good wholesome food ONLY

And fight to ensure that your local school receives far more government funding than the local prison.

Why should prisoners be treated better than school children?
35

whitedogmum,

Big Sky Country, USA 28/09/2008 13:38:22
the simplest ways to stop the children from getting and eating those munchie boxes is to close the grounds from the time the children arrive at school until all classes are over. Then they have to either bring their own lunches or buy them from the school. I can't see why anyone would want those lunches with as much fat and salt in them, even the adults don't need that kind of thing.
36

big_meat,

London 28/09/2008 13:41:48
But for those of us who like their Scottish women to grow into big wobbling pink blancmanges with a road map of stretch marks like the rings found on a slice of tree trunk, this is good news.
Bring on the big wobblies!
37

Harbinger,

McDonald's 28/09/2008 13:51:11
There is no such thing as junk food, all food has a nutritional value. The term "artery-clogging fat", is such a nutritionally ignorant comment. Fat does NOT clog arteries, it is digested and broken down into its component parts. Cholesterol does NOT clog arteries, it is a necessary part of our diet yet we have a nation paranoid about it, because it is mega bucks to the drug and margarine companies. It is said to be a risk factor for heart disease, but only up to the age of 47 in men and it is not a risk factor for women or for older people, in fact higher cholesterol is better for the elderly. In any event risk is not causation, it is a product of the epedemiologist's computer.

This is scientific fact, but the Diet-Heart theory has become esconced in the public psyche by the same sort of fraudulent science that brought us the "hole in the ozone" threat, "global warming" and "second hand smoke".
38

Media 1,

cape town 28/09/2008 13:58:02
Harbinger

You may be right about the over inflated nonsense surrounding diet. But would you be happier with your kid eating a fish supper for lunch washed down with an irn bru everyday? Or would you be happier if you kid had the odd fish supper but generally ate fruit, vegetables and more wholesome food each day, washed down with water?
39

Eve,

Scotland 28/09/2008 15:07:10
"MOVE over deep-fried Mars Bar, here comes the Munchy Box" Don't think anyone ever eat a deep fried mars bar for lunch (no they would at least have a can of ginger with it.). I've tried never. Though I've heard that deep fried bounty is the best, as well as most Calorfic deep fried choclate bar you can get.

#34 Euan,: Aye sure why Not deep fry the salad of limp lettius and oinion rings and make them 3,000 Kcal with 200g of fat.

40

Eve,

Scotland bonnie Scotland 28/09/2008 15:11:08
Hey David Leask why are you comparing the recomend daily allonce of an adult male to a teenage girl?

Did you rum out of room to put the Adult female and and teen age boy?
41

Eve,

Scotland 28/09/2008 15:18:36
#41 bogmon: mmm intersting!!! I supose they share the would share the same viual sitmulation.

BUT I belive the Munchie box would smell more eddable and would possible get the teast buds jucing more.

Personaly their are items in the box I would gladly eat i.e the Vegtable pakora or chips (maybe not togiver). And their are things I wouldn't like to put any where near my mouth for example Doner meat or Tomato sauce.
42

Resolutions,

28/09/2008 15:19:16
Where on earth are these unappetizing boxes of rubbish sold? I do not think I've seen them nor have I heard any of the family mention them. Mind you I suspect, they would not like 'em too much.

But my lot could not afford that - and neither can the parents. Who can? The brain dead? Certainly economically ignorant as well as health ignorant.If the kids will not eat school food, let them go hungry.It would probably do them good!

Does no-one remember, not being allowed to leave the table until your plate was empty? At school and home?
Not a bad regime when you see that garbage, was it?
43

Eve,

Scotland 28/09/2008 15:40:21
#39 Harbinger: Whats McDonalds telling you?

Fat in the diet should not be avoided they should be controled. As they said in the olden day a little of everything does you good.

There are good fats and bad fats. Saturaded fat eat in mordaration. Good Unsaturated (mono or poly) fat eat more of, some of these fatty acids are essential to the brain and other organs BUT it's not advisable to eat to much of them.

There are two types of Cholestrol Low denstity and high densty one it's healthy to have more of the other is less health and is the one that can clog the likes of areties. I'm no medical proffesonal so I'm not going to name which ones the good one cause I might get it wrong.

Heres some usefuly links. Dare you to a shearch on: "Fatty food", "Obesity", "Fat in the Diet" & "Balanced diet" in each of the bleow links. Good luck!

http://www.who.int/infobase/reportviewer.aspx?rptcode=ALL&uncode=826&dm=5&surveycode=102353e1

http://www.bhf.org.uk/search/results.aspx?searchsite=Fatty+foods (fun look fat sheet with actities on the second in the list, will remide you for the sheets they use to give out to children in places like ~Burger King, McDonlads and Pizzia Hut.
44

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28/09/2008 15:46:44
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yoric,

28/09/2008 16:20:53
The cigs and booze in the evening will offset the affect of the lunch box.
46

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 28/09/2008 16:33:49
YUCKERS! Who in their right mind would provide money to their children to buy these vomitous concoctions of slippery, slimey, gag-inducing "food"?

Is it any wonder that Scotland has the fattest children in the world, next to America, and all the health problems that are associated with GARBAGE lunch boxes:

DIABETES, HIGH CHOLESTEROL, JOINT DAMAGE FROM CARRYING ALL THAT WEIGHT, LETHARGY, DEPRESSION FROM CALORIC OVERLOAD, POSSIBLE STROKE OR ATTACK AT THE AGE OF 12 OR 13, ETC ad nauseam.

And why is it that the Chinese posters have this arrogant pose as if their country is Shangri-La on Earth?

They should look at their own poisonous milk and candies and other foodstuffs that induces nausea, vomiting, diarrhea when consumed by innocent buyers.

BAN ALL CHINESE FOOD EXPORTS FROM THE REST OF THE WORLD AND SAVE YOUR HEALTH AND MAYBE EVEN YOUR LIFE.

And poster 47 is a distasteful braggart and his comment on big women is not worthy of this site. He should be ashamed at being such a fornicating PIG!

47

Eve,

Scotland 28/09/2008 17:08:08
#49 TimW1234: Strok or Heartattack at 12 or 13 is highly unlikely. The reast is highly plauable children as young as 8 have been found to have dieabeties type 2 which not so long ago was only really found in adults over 40 and Black Carbean males in their 20's

And even more unlikely is for a female to have a heart attach or stroke. As Estergen (prodemently female hormone) levels are high in menostarting women and this protects the heart.

Though I have heard that obese girl tend to start their periods earily, which could or at least give the possiblity that they might hit the menopause eariyer i.e at late 30's early 40's meaning that these females would be at risk from these illnesses sooner. Hyprophitical their is no information to suggest that thoes how have their 1st period younger will stop at an eariler age.

But their is a danger with all this heaviley processed food people feed their children that these childrens bodies might be ageing quicker than they are. i.e a20year old has the body of a 40 year old. Or to put things in a more realistic way an 8 year old has the body of a 14 or 15year old.

You comment about Cheinse food is completly un called for. You should read a bit about food in soitiets and educate your self with the knollage that afentic Chieness food is actualy a heathly balance diet. With plent of vegtables, noodels, rice (not fried I belive), sea food, wee bit of meat and wee bit of oil to cook the food.

After all the Chieness invented Stri fry. An exsalent way of cooking vegtable and retain a large percentage of their nuternts. Providing you don't use to much oil.

It's us the Europeans and North Amercain who have encorrged the migrated Chienices and indian restronts to add more fats and sugars to their meals.

Your demand should be that we eat more ofentic Chiencess food. And ban the westernised versions of their dishes. Within reason, some of us don't want to eat dog, snake or rabbit.
48

Rami,

Derry New Hampshire 28/09/2008 17:34:31
Well since I am a senior 65 +, makes no difference to
me; I like the tast of that food. Why? "You say!"
BECAUSE IT FLOATS MY BOAT(:O=
49

Pilrig,

Livingston 28/09/2008 18:33:28
36 - school is a form of punishment
50

Pilrig,

Livingston 28/09/2008 18:36:28
45 - the act of eating is to be made a form of punishment as well now ?
51

Pilrig,

Livingston 28/09/2008 18:38:27
45 - ban this... ban that...Christ, what control freakery.
52

JohnBowes,

28/09/2008 20:07:39
My children will eat what I allow them to eat. Its got FA to do with anyone else.

Ban given foods?

Why not ban fags or drink? Think of the fumes that pour out of cars rears as per the cars of teachers. WHY not ban cars? How many children are killed by cars? WHY not ban them?

Where is the absolute proof that eating fruit and veg makes us live longer? Vegetarians live SHORTER lives than non-vegetarians.

Drink water? How much lead and so on is in tap water? How much bacteria in bottled water? Its far more than in tap water.

Not healthy? Being poor is not healthy. I don't hear anybody saying that we should give the poor more money.

Religion has led to the deaths of millions of people. The RC Churches stance on condoms has led to the death of millions of kids in recent years in Africa. THINK ABOUT IT!!!

School uniforms? A breach of Human Rights. And in Scotland a child is not in any way obliged to wear a uniform in a state school. The local authority would be breaking the law and open to compensation claims if they tried to force kids to wear them. FACT!
53

JohnBowes,

28/09/2008 20:21:40
Overweight children? Well, we ought ensure they do more exercise eh? It's not just about what they eat.

Good health = eating fruit and veg?

Sam Galbraith MSP (surgeon) said that that idea is fantasy. As he said, what about HEALTH CARE AND ACCESS TO IT? The poor in our society do not have the same access as the middle class.

Look at the statistics. A middle class person is far more likely to get an "urgent referal" to a consultant from a GP than a working class person. FACT!

As for teling the poor what to eat, where do they get the money to buy the better food?

What about poor housing and so on?

What about poor neighbourhoods and poor facilities therein?

WHAT about the types of jobs poorer people must do? I worked in shipyards for years - was that healthy like?

What about education? The poor tend to get the worst of everything - including schools and bog standard teachers (aplenty of them in Scotland). Not all children can go to closed shop "state" schools like Jordanhill eh?
54

JohnBowes,

28/09/2008 20:24:02
And what about so called democracy? Are poor people part of the political process like? They are all too often excluded from it. Will that connect to their health?

Yes, if poor people cannot get thier issues on the agenda, poor housing, education and so on will continue. AND so will poor health and poor self-esteem. Poor self esteem = stress and anxiety = poor health.
55

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 28/09/2008 20:28:38
#50 Eve

I have visited Beijing twice in my line of work and was appalled at the sanitation - or lack thereof - of food available at street stalls.

People were coughling and spitting all over the place and heavens knows if they washed their hands after they visited the loo.

The only place to get food that would not give you Dehli-Belly or a terminal case of diarrhea was in the hotel where we stayed or at VERY expensive restaurants that catered to the Chinese and Western elite.

Also, I don't like being offered live snakes and rat's brains at one of our company's banquets.

I speak from experience and the food grown in the fields outside of Beijing and other large Chinese cities is fertilised with "night soil" - aka human sh*te.
56

Nellie,

Liverpool 28/09/2008 22:15:53
IMO the Govt should intervene in this kind of thing. Feeding kids a poor diet is akin to neglect - that is "child abuse". Would we think the Govnt should not intervene for the benefit of a child if it were being neglected by parents/guardians? If it were not being fed, we would intervene and quite rightly so. So, what is the difference between not feeding them enough and not feeding them properly? I suggest not a lot.
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mcbogtrotter,

mccaliforina 29/09/2008 03:14:12
# 24 nodick
Since you obviously know nothing about the health care system in America refrain from commenting on it. Here if you go to a hospital you will be treated, our problem is that all that recieve treatment either cannot or will not pay. Which means that those of us that can pay for all. If iam not mistaken it is you that have the problems trying to find health care.
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Gehon,

29/09/2008 10:47:20
I want a munchy box. I can never choose between pizza, chips and pakora etc - this solves the problem. It looks tremendous. Anyone know where to get a decent munchy box in Edinburgh?
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Mr Fuzzy,

Edinburgh 29/09/2008 15:09:57
The shop-keepers may just have a "captive market" if they are the only shop within 15 minutes walking distance of the school.

Maybe the queues in the school are worse than the queues at the local shop. It rather defeats the point of having healthy meals at school if you end up with the school so over-subscribed that the students are split into two lunch-groups. My high school had the brilliant idea that students would be split into groups based on surname, with each group getting a 1 hour slot. On alternate days, one group would start lunch at 12.45pm when the bell rang, and the other group would have to wait until 1.45pm. It came as no surprise that student then began either bringing pack lunches and eating in the street or just went to the nearest fast food restaurant.
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Yaletown Wullie,

Vancouver 29/09/2008 17:47:37
Interesting that it is the Kebab outlets selling the filthiest muck...Then again, it's the Scots who have allowed them to set up everywhere imaginable, and who line up to pay good money for Deep Fried Gristle and Slaughterhouse Floor Cullings in a greasy cardboard box.
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30/09/2008 03:05:07
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