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LEADER INTERVIEW: ALEX SALMOND

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Published Date: 22 April 2007
ALEX Salmond is expressing his disbelief at an error made by Tony Blair in the morning's papers. The Prime Minister had wrongly described the former chairman of the Royal Bank of Scotland and SNP supporter Sir George Mathewson as "a former SNP candidate". "If one of my first-time candidates cavalierly said something like that they would get a..." Salmond suddenly stops. One second, two seconds. "...bollocking," he finally declares, a little reluctantly.
It was a tiny hesitation, but it spoke volumes. Formerly the most rambunctious politician on the block, the New Alex Salmond has been a revelation on the campaign trail.

Where once there was steely aggression and pithy ripostes, this campaign has seen a calmer, more measured persona - one who even thinks twice before admitting to giving bollockings.

Is it all a spin, carefully designed to woo that large chunk of the electorate who find his up-and-at-'em style a turn-off? Or has the 52-year-old economist, who is less than two weeks away from entering the history books as the first Nationalist leader to claim power in the UK, genuinely changed?

Salmond has already had a busy morning. At 7.30am he hosted a business breakfast in Edinburgh's posh Oloroso restaurant to present A Platform For Success, his blueprint for the SNP's economic plans for government.

Then he had attended a private meeting with Britain's most influential newspaper editor, Rebekah Wade of the Sun, whose edition that morning had given him a fearful pasting.

Seated in a room in the Caledonian Hotel, he is nevertheless full of customary brio and philosophical about the tabloid's treatment. There is nothing he can do about it, he shrugs, so why worry? More encouraging for him is a poll in that morning's Times which shows, less than two weeks to go, that his party is still ahead. It was this time four years ago, I remind him, that polls began to show the SNP's support falling over a cliff.

"Believe me," he asserts. "If this campaign continues - with the positive SNP campaign on the one hand and the anti-SNP Labour campaign on the other, then we will win, because it's about the SNP." Victory must feel tantalisingly close, I suggest. "It is a big effort to keep yourself calm, cool and collected. This is unchartered territory," Salmond responds.

One of his closest allies had admitted to me the previous week that being ahead in a campaign was "terrifying". After all, recent political history is littered with the corpses of front-runners who have suddenly slumped as they enter the final straight as, beneath the veneer of statesmanship, the public senses the unappealing view of a party hack. Salmond is determined to avoid the same fate - hence, as he admits, he has imposed upon himself a radical change in outlook.

"I came to the conclusion some time ago that I had to seek to build maximum consensus in a number of ways," he reflects. "Lots of Scots - not just me - love winning arguments; and sometimes you love winning arguments even when the arguments aren't even about very much; disputatiousness is part of our character: the game becomes more important than the objective. But for me this objective is so important that I am not going to allow the enjoyment of the game to interfere with the outcome, if I possibly can. I am trying to keep my eye on the prize."

It's been suggested by members of his own party that, once the prize is gained, that old disputatiousness will return. But Salmond insists the self-discipline will remain. "The job of a national party and as the leader, potentially, hopefully, as First Minister, is not just to talk to the folk who agree with me," he says. "It's my job to reach out to people who don't. I think most national parties have to represent, as far as they can, the whole of the country."

What influence does his wife, Moira, a former senior civil servant, have over all of this? Salmond has rarely talked about his private life, insisting that it should remain just that - private. "Very substantial," he says. She offers him "wise counsel", he adds. " She tells me not to take myself too seriously."

This supposed transformation of the SNP, from tribal political movement to party of the nation, all sounds very New Labour, circa 1997. Does Salmond accept the comparison? "Yes," he concedes. "Except that the cause in which we believe is a wee bit more noble in the sense that it is about the future of our country, not the career prospects of a political party. Broadening your political base, reaching out to people who previously disagreed with you and making clear that is how you want to style your politics and your attitude to people, I think it's absolutely right."

In this new guise, the SNP's pitch has also taken on a different hue. Gone are the quasi-sectarian appeals to national grievance (remember John Swinney's infamous "get the Brits out" battle cry?). Instead, Salmond has been skilfully conflating Labour's attacks on the SNP - and its warnings about the cost of independence - as attacks on the very nature of Scotland. It has allowed the SNP to position itself as the party of the Scottish "mainstream".

He uses the interview to press home his point. Of Labour's campaign, he declares: "It seems to me to be one of the most un-coordinated, old-fashioned, and thoroughly disreputable campaigns. Not disreputable, incidentally, because they are attacking me or the SNP - that doesn't matter. It's disreputable in the sense that they are attacking Scotland and Scottish self-confidence, almost at times verging on to, you know, 'It's not the SNP that's a basket case, it's Scotland that's a basket case'."

He picks up on Scotland's highly influential band of entrepreneurs, cleverly referring both to those who have already publicly allied themselves to his cause (Sir Tom Farmer, Brian Souter) and those who haven't (Sir David Murray, Sir Tom Hunter). "Whether or not they are voting for or against the SNP, not one of them would accept the argument that Scotland is somehow incapable in any sense," says Salmond. "Each one of them has spent their time outside business trying to build up Scottish confidence.

"Whether they are fully convinced, or partially convinced, or not convinced at all of the case I'm putting forward, they would never accept the nature of what's at the bottom - boiled down to its grizzly essence - the nature and heart of the Labour campaign, the black heart of the Labour campaign. They would just reject it. It is totally antithetic to what they are trying to spread and teach and communicate. This is why I believe Labour is fundamentally out of sync with Scotland."

He adds: "These people aren't all of Scottish society - they are one aspect of Scottish society, but you can find people in the arts and culture who have the same can-do attitude as far as Scotland is concerned - and that is Scotland. So the Labour campaign isn't an anti-SNP campaign, it is anti that new Scotland; it is out of date; it's out of time." For the record, Tony Blair declared in a speech in Glasgow two weeks ago that, of course, Scotland was capable of being independent if it so chose. Blair spoke then about how Salmond was "neatly conflating belief in Scotland with the separation from England". But Salmond's argument brushes all this aside.

Positivity has been his watchword throughout the campaign, and no place has been dealt more good vibes than England itself. Salmond last week revealed how he had been giving long thought to how Scotland and its "best pal" would rub along after independence. He now makes a clear distinction between the Union of Crowns in 1603 and the Act of Union in 1707.

"There was, in people's minds, a kingdom long before a political union," he says. Now, he insists, independence is only an issue about changing the latter. "We wouldn't be changing the Union of Crowns," he says. He reveals now how a meeting with Prince Charles back in 1998 appears to have changed his views on the matter. Salmond had travelled up to Balmoral for the supposedly private meeting with the Prince.

But dozens of stories appeared of the meeting of the future king of England and the Scottish young pretender, enjoying a convivial dram. "That meeting was asked for by the Palace," says Salmond. "Maybe that [the question of keeping the Union of the Crowns] was something I learned at that meeting. It is fair to say, obviously, those matters were discussed." In his new guise as the great unifier, Salmond says he believes keeping the monarchy post independence would be right.

"Is it important, apart from being a historical point? Yes, I think it is, because the monarchy to some extent symbolises a social union between the peoples of these islands." He goes on: "People want to have economic and political control of Scotland, so we can have a competitive economy, so we can take advantage of our natural assets and so we can make a contribution to the big issues; but they want to keep a close abiding ally."

All this conciliatory talk has one major effect: it is piling growing pressure on the Unionist parties - specifically the Liberal Democrats - who are now deemed to be "blocking" Salmond's hopes of putting this to us - via an independence referendum. If he wins next week, Salmond's policy is to hold the referendum in around 2010. He makes clear he believes, if successful, he could then deliver independence before the planned 2011 elections.

To do all this, it seems likely he will need the Liberals' support and he uses the interview to pile the pressure even further; going further than ever to spell out the compromises he is willing to make to get the independence question tabled.

Salmond says he wants to have a straight "yes" or "no" question. But he makes it crystal clear he would accept another question, which asks voters whether they would simply prefer a middle way, of bringing more powers to Holyrood. "I haven't ruled that out so long as I can present the case of independence to the people of Scotland," he declares. "That is the principle - to keep faith with myself and to keep faith with my party. I will be as flexible as possible within that position."

He adds later: "I have demonstrated a great deal of flexibility on this question and I have demonstrated that I could be flexible even more on content, on timing, on approach, and even on the question formulation that might be asked. That seems to me to be moving a long way."

All this might seem to some in the SNP suspiciously like a watering down. But, Salmond insists, there is no turning from putting the question of independence to the people. "What profit a man if he should gain the whole world and lose his soul? But for a coalition with the Liberals?"

Salmond's philosophical commitment to independence is utterly concrete. I ask him about the peculiarity of this small part of a small island, debating about independence, while elsewhere the great challenges of climate change and the rise of Asia rage on. Isn't it all a bit odd?

Not a bit of it. He launches into a lengthy exposition of Scotland's potential as an energy powerhouse of the future, leading the way in new technologies in renewables and clean energy. Scotland, he says, can have a massive role to play in allaying Europe's energy security fears, and on tackling carbon emissions. Independence is needed, he insists, in order to play that role fully; to give us a direct line to the European Commission; to clear away the daft subsidies and regulations at Whitehall that hold Scotland back. He says: "These are big issues which can help the impact on the planet and we need the powers to do that."

It is convincing stuff, yet questions over Salmond's number-crunching remain. In a recent document on Scotland's fiscal position, the SNP declared that - if the country had possession of its oil - it would be running a surplus. Since then, the Treasury has cut back its forecasts on oil revenues, leading to claims by Labour that Salmond's figures are out of date. Will he be updating them?

In terms of his calculation of Scotland's surplus, "it will be after July," he says, handily putting it all back until after the election. "In my estimate, Scotland is in surplus this year." He is equally dismissive of fears over his contentious local income tax plans. The SNP is banking on the Treasury handing over the near £400m a year it currently gives to Scottish homes as council tax benefit. But the Treasury currently says it won't. Doesn't this ruin his plans? "It will have to be politely contested, I am sure it will be won," he insists, blithely.

He may be a changed character, but clearly the confidence remains. The serenity in his demeanour is perhaps also due to the fact that he knows the new slick SNP, under his leadership, is giving this election probably the best shot it can. SNP staffers can therefore rest easy: even if they lose, bollockings from the leader will wait for another day.

Alex Salmond on...


REACHING OUT

"You have to make the attempt to make a gesture to all of the people. Not to compromise, but to communicate with everyone that you possibly can. You have to make sure that there is nobody who feels that their views are being set aside or ignored. And I have been trying really hard."

SELF-BELIEF

"The one overwhelming advantage that we have in this campaign is that we know what we are doing in this campaign and we know we are right."

LABOUR

"If I was asked to sum up the one word to describe the remaining Labour vote in Scotland it is probably sullen. There is no energy, no enthusiasm, no life."

REFERENDUM

"The idea of a referendum is fundamentally popular in this campaign. It is running like a silver thread in this campaign. And it is doing that because it is touching on something much deeper in Scottish society; and that is the whole notion of empowerment.

"There is a huge thirst, desire, and wish that people have to have more control, not just over the constitution but over lots of things."

TRIDENT

"You must have the right to say no to your country being used as a base for the next 50 years to weapons of mass destruction. These are choices that an adult, grown-up society can make and it is a choice an independent country can make."

SMART ALEX

"I'm not going to try to be less smart just to suit Labour."

Salmond: The verdict


"He is the best natural politician I have ever met and probably the best Scotland has produced in a generation. Some have talent, some have intellect, he has both and that's what makes him formidable."

Mike Russell, former SNP Chief Executive, who stood against Salmond in 2004 for the party leadership

"He is a very good debater. He's the cheeky chappie writ large. But not a good administrator, unless something has changed."

Margo MacDonald, former Nationalist MP and MSP, now an independent candidate for the Scottish Parliament

"Alex Salmond is an effective campaigner. He's confident, often arrogant and he can be intimidating in a debate. That's why Labour is having a difficult time."

Henry McLeish, former First Minister and Scottish Office minister

"He is a chancer who just can't help himself. He is prepared to take a gamble on anything, including Scotland's future."

George Foulkes, Labour candidate and fellow Hearts supporter

"He's OK, but, having worked together, I think we're both happy not exchanging Christmas cards."

Alex Bell, former SNP spin doctor

The full article contains 2669 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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www.scottwebb.co.uk.,

22/04/2007 00:35:57

Roll on May :)

2

somerferg,

oz 22/04/2007 02:48:32

Compare if you will this article on Alex Salmond with anything the Hootsman has published on wee joke and it will become clear where this rag stands.
Roll on May

3

David MacVicar,

web 22/04/2007 04:38:35

The coverage of Salmond, the SNP or their policies has a consistant bias. Labour gets its fair share of bad press, however as the incumbent and with a very poor record in government during the last term they should be getting soundly attaked. This is clearly not what is happening in the Scottish papers.

The concern for me is not that the SNP are getting biased press. For me all parties and policies should get a serious examination and constructive ctiticism day in day out. Most western countries have papers that are biased one way or another but they usually have balance overall.

The lack of objective media in Scotland is a serious issue in itself. It prevents level debate and hinders political change and progress in general.
Despite this the public is slowly waking up, shown in decreasing circulation across the board. Some are moving online where at least counter arguments can be given and examined.

4

Guga,

Rockall 22/04/2007 05:24:49

"the future king of England"

This says it all, and helps to highlight the deliberate bias shown by the newspaper.

5

Alec M,

Falkirk 22/04/2007 05:28:43

#4 - Well said.

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Marian,

Edinburgh 22/04/2007 06:50:01

The New Labour campaign in Scotland has just got to be the dumbest ever with its negative campaign. Their campaign has been presented by leaders like Gordon Brown and Jack McConnell who have all had truthfullness and charisma-bypasses. There is simply no contest with the Scottish National Party who have a leader like Alex Salmond who has bundles of charisma and a burning desire and ability to see Scotland prosper.

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Boy Wonder,

22/04/2007 07:26:43

#5. I spotted that too. Did Eddie Barnes think he could slip that past us??

Scotsman Publications and it's journ - workforce, just can't help themselves can they? Biased to the last I suppose!

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Craig Cockburn,

Scotland 22/04/2007 08:46:31

If only the comments in the rest of the paper were brought into line with the positive comments expressed by Eddie Barnes here, we might actually have a national newspaper that was prepared to take a well-deserved tougher stand against Labour.

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Anne, Glasgow,

Glasgow 22/04/2007 08:52:04

Sadly this is an insulting and derogatory piece on Alex Salmond. There is a negative slant on everything he says. You are becoming very close to being a broadsheet version of the Daily Record.

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Jim Orr,

Moscow 22/04/2007 08:58:16

Swinney never actually said 'get the Brits out'. He said 'tell the Brits to get off'. Quite a significant difference. See here: http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1069382003

An innocent journalistic error which presumably will be clarified in next week's issue. Mind you, in the internet age there really is no excuse for this sort of carelessness.

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langtonian,

scotus 22/04/2007 09:03:33

#2 A repeat of a previouse posting.
Same applies here, as my posting#134 relative to
Heading Outrage as Salmond brands Labour opponents as"anti-Scottish"

13

Cadgers,

Perth 22/04/2007 09:05:23

#5 Guga calling Charlie the "future king of Englnd" is the only way our overseas commentors will recognise him! Calling him the future king of Britain and they'd go whit?:)

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/04/2007 09:19:28

AM2

When you are in a hole you should put the shovel down!!!

Civic Nationalism would appear to be more civil than your logic.

FOR A FAIRER AND MORE PROSPEROUS SCOTLAND.

VOTE SNP 1st, 2nd, 3rd. ON 3 MAY.

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Big Red,

Eberdeen 22/04/2007 09:22:19

Why isn't this article the headline story today ?
Instead 'The Scotsman' (sic) chose to highlight one part of the interview, paint it in a negative light, and give it a sensationalist headline.

I'm heartily sick of the utter bias shown by the Scottish media against the SNP.
There are many reasons to vote against the Unionist establishment, but getting it right up newspapers like this will ne high up my list.

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Rab McClair,

TOP OF THE WORLD 22/04/2007 09:34:31

Jist a wee bit oot o' yer depth again Eddie, Eh??
Must be a real voyage of discovery for ye to meet a politician wi' some intellect at last efir yer recent JokeMcCON "love-ins".
Even your famous anti-Independence smears don't permit ye tae lay a serious glove on Wee Eck. Let's face it........he's WAY out o' your league Eddie............stick tae obituaries and dog shows.
At least ye'll be busy daein' that oan May 4th !!...wance ye get ower the boakin' !!!

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Falsyde,

HIGHLAND SEP 22/04/2007 09:35:36

This is surely not the same Tony Blair who stood up in parliament and declaimed to and misled MPs by stating his mother land was "an economic basket case with a deficit to the tune of £11.2 billion" when he knew full well his own government's GERS document was a massive statistical fraud with the real figure of £9.6 billion as carefully set out in THE GREAT DECEPTION on www.scottishenterpriseparty.org

That is one document the Labour party has succeeded in suppressing by bullying and threatening the press and tv to prevent their publishing it. Were the Great Deception story to break before May 3rd then Labour really would be toast.

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Resolutions,

22/04/2007 09:46:32

Leaving aside the political bias shown by the Unionist Press, can anyone find a POSITVE pro Scotland, confidence in ourselves point made by the about -to- be opposition in Holyrood?

A postage stamp should be big enough for the answers methinks.

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Owain Glyndwr,

Caerdydd 22/04/2007 10:07:25

Wales awaits the Scottish vote with great anticipation.

Of course Scotland can be affluent as an independent nation, you don't need to be an economist to know that (although it helps). The Labour Party's tactics are shameful and Keir Hardie would turn in his grave to hear their (anti-Scottish) pathetic and negative campaigning. Don't worry however, they are just as bad here in Wales.

Where you lead, Wales will follow. Pob Lwc i'r SNP

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Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 22/04/2007 10:26:52

Am I seeing things or did the Scotsman just admit that Alex salmond is set to become " Less than two weeks away from entering the history books as the first Nationalist leader to claim power in the UK"

Bring it on. It's Time...

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DAVID MCCANN,

22/04/2007 10:34:29

Alex's Bell's comments are taken completely out of context. So here is another excerpt from that same article.
"So what paper is for me? The Scotsman, Scotland on Sunday and The Times are out. The Daily Record remains loyal to Labour. The Herald, wilting under budget cuts and a dying readership, have given up the fight for intellectual rigour and plumped for the easy option of following the rest of the pack.

I puzzle why not a single paper seems interested in discussing how we, the people of Scotland, might rethink key social policies. Why does no journalist want to discuss what happened to our UK financial dividend, so often trumpeted by the Tories and Labour as the benefit of the Union? Does no-one in papers share the hope that we could do something, not even great, but pretty good, as a small European nation?

What bothers me about this is the commercial proposition. Newspapers are a dying trade - readership is declining across the board. Yet our papers have set themselves against a large chunk of the public, and refuse to engage positively in the biggest intellectual issue facing Scotland. Is it really the case that the hatred of Scots governing themselves is so strong no proprietor is prepared to cater to this market? Is the media really going to tell all those people who voted SNP, with the aim of gaining greater powers for Edinburgh, that they were stupid?"
Read the full excellent Scottish Press critique in
Allmediascotland.com

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DAVID MCCANN,

22/04/2007 10:38:17

Alex's Bell's comments are taken completely out of context. So here is another excerpt from that same article.
"So what paper is for me? The Scotsman, Scotland on Sunday and The Times are out. The Daily Record remains loyal to Labour. The Herald, wilting under budget cuts and a dying readership, have given up the fight for intellectual rigour and plumped for the easy option of following the rest of the pack.

I puzzle why not a single paper seems interested in discussing how we, the people of Scotland, might rethink key social policies. Why does no journalist want to discuss what happened to our UK financial dividend, so often trumpeted by the Tories and Labour as the benefit of the Union? Does no-one in papers share the hope that we could do something, not even great, but pretty good, as a small European nation?

What bothers me about this is the commercial proposition. Newspapers are a dying trade - readership is declining across the board. Yet our papers have set themselves against a large chunk of the public, and refuse to engage positively in the biggest intellectual issue facing Scotland. Is it really the case that the hatred of Scots governing themselves is so strong no proprietor is prepared to cater to this market? Is the media really going to tell all those people who voted SNP, with the aim of gaining greater powers for Edinburgh, that they were stupid?"
Read the full excellent Scottish Press critique in
http://www.allmediascotland.com/articles/1143/16042007/ne...

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AG.,

Scotland 22/04/2007 10:41:45

He will be the first Nationalist leader to claim power if the Labour party don't rig the votes.

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Il Penseroso,

Inverurie 22/04/2007 11:00:03

AM2 #10 Another boring repeat paste and post! Try something new and interesting! Even relevant would do!

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cataibh,

Ash yur seen it 22/04/2007 11:03:59

Nobody with any intelegence believes what Blair says remember Iraq and the non existant WMD a few of his supporters seems to have forgotten

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Resolutions,

22/04/2007 11:09:33

May I suggest that all those who wish an unbiased view, warts and all, visit www.cuthbert1.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

It may open eyes and minds) a wee bittie

Its time!

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Ross,

22/04/2007 11:32:16

It's time..

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Urban Clearway,

Tyneside 22/04/2007 12:08:39

Alex Salmond is the very worst kind of Englishman - an anglo-scots lowlander who thinks he is something different. In reality he is yet another Edinburgh-centric anglo-fascist imperialist. He talks about independence for what he calls "Scotland", but stays silent on the real matter of independence for the Gaelteachd, a people with their own unique language, culture, and identity. He represents a class of English political tycoon who have persecuted and subjugated the Gael since time immemorial. Gaels will never bend the knee to the hypocritical Saxon Nationalist Party of the SNP.

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/04/2007 12:44:06

AM2

I have a very serious problem with any form of racism and condemn it outright.

Whether this is due to ignorance or design it matters not a whit. However you have not answered the question posed, as is your want! If no answer available, reply with a tangential question. However no-one can apologise for the sins of others.

Please, therefore, do not attempt to conflate the ideas expressed by Alex Salmond with those of ignorant, uneducated racists.

Please, also refer to my reply to Yr awel on another thread where he is congratulation you on your illuminating responses and perhaps you will be enlightened a bit about civic nationalism. Somehow I doubt it, but hope springs eternal!!!

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/04/2007 14:22:57

AM2

Please refrain from inciting these racist comments. Instead of producing a list, reply to each individually.

ANYONE SPOUTING RACIST CANT, THE SNP CAN DO WITHOUT.

It would do the SNP a great service if supporters were to make clear that racism/bigotry have no place in a modern Scotland.

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Cincinnatus,

The Capital 22/04/2007 15:01:40

He is wrong on the monarchy, whilst it remains and the Oath Alleigance and Act of Settlement - then the Monarchy is sectarian. Alex might be happy with that state of affairs, but it's not sustainable in a modern tolerant sectarian free Scotland.

In short - it's utter bull!

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James Annand,

22/04/2007 16:05:15

At the risk of being mis-quoted and copy pasted in a few days:

AM2.

You are not Scottish, or have I mis-read the forum? Why do you think you have the moral authority to tell me how I should feel about living in a state (note: not country) where my countrymen (and women) are ignored and abused by our politicians.

Note: I did say 'our' in reference to not only English based politicians, but also the Scots that betray their constituencies at every opportunity.

After ten years, many parts of Glasgow are still in an unbelievably bad state and they are one of the heartlands of the incumbent party.

Please. Tell me.

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EdinburghBairn,

Edinburgh 22/04/2007 16:06:10

If it wasn't for their activists I would be tempted to give the Nats one of my votes but their hated of other people and other parties is embarassing
In particular why all this hatred for the lib dems?
By my reckoning they have made a good impact under devolution-tuition fees, renewbale energy etc
PR means co-alition are a natural consequence of Scottish politics-surely better this than an inbuilt one party(labour) majority for generations?

If i get one measured response to this i will be very surprised

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IwishIwasapunkrocker,

Edinburgh 22/04/2007 16:18:09

Salmond has done an admirable job suppressing what his own internal party polling must have already told him - that he was seen as arrogant, bullying as smug. He's pretty much been friendly and I haven't heard him say more than 5 words without inserting the word 'positive' almost a random. Thing is I've seen him be smug and arrogant for more years than I can remember and I don't believe he has really changed. Nobody really believes that even if he keeps it up for another couple of weeks that getting the keys to Bute House wouldn't turn him straight back into his old smug self? Salmond is undoubtedly a great media spinner but a great first minister I very much doubt.

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James Annand,

22/04/2007 16:19:30

I don't think anyone hates anyone. It's probably just frustration more than anything else.

As for the Lib Dems: The reason nobody likes them (and I'm talking across the board) is because they have no principles. With Tuition Fees they said they'd scrap them. One sniff of power and they just changed the name of the fees and said they'd fufilled their promise.

I have great respect for the Greens, the Socialists, the Pensions party (I can't remember their name), and........dare I say it? The Tories.


I never thought I'd say that, but at least you know where you are with them.

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James Annand,

22/04/2007 16:22:24

IwishIwasapunkrocker.

Do you ever watch the Scottish Parliament in action?

If there was ever a bully, it's Mr McConnell. All he used to do was shout down anyone that dared question him at First Ministers Questions.

He never actually answered anything, just shouted until it was time for the next question.

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murren59,

22/04/2007 16:30:34

#45 EdinburghBairn

The below article link was my 'Paul on the road to Damascus' moment.

If you read this disgraceful deception, perpetrated by successive Westminster governments, and still want to vote for a Unionist party, God help us all.

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/article3319...

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eric the viking,

east kilbride 22/04/2007 16:39:34

From PTDOUG.... who, for some reason, has been blocked by the Hootsmon unionist censors ???? Must have been scoring some points that hit too close to home.

Good on you, ALEX SALMOND.

It's about time he got more aggressive and put the boot into Labours filthy, dishonest and yes.... without a shadow of a doubt....anti-Scottish election campaign.

Labours entire campaign has been about negative attacks on the ability of Scotland and the Scottish people to do what EVERY other country on the planet manages to do..... ie; run our own affairs.

Labours campaign has been THE most negative campaign waged by any party in recent years... not only constant attacks on the self esteem and confidence of modern Scotland... and non-stop personal attacks on Alex Salmond for daring to have ambition, belief and confidence in the ability and talents of his fellow Scots to make this Country the best it can be....

Labours entire campaign has been, and still is about FEAR.

Fear of what will become of the poor little Scots without the alleged handouts from London and the generous English taxpayers.

Fear that we will be overwhelmed by terrorists and communists without the protection of England and their Nuclear weapons.

Fear of border posts ...

Fear of how we will be "ripped", "torn", "wrenched" from the Union.

Fear that Scotland will be shunned by the EU ???

Fear that businesses will up sticks and flee en-masse the day after independence...

Etc...etc...etc..

Labours entire campaign is about fear.

Scaremongering and bully boy tactics designed to undermine the confidence and self worth of the Scottish electorate ... their own people for Christ sake !!!

If that isn't anti Scottish !!!!

Salmond said it... and thank god we have one decent, honest Scottish politician with BALLS, that is willing to say out loud what we all know.

Labour have been found out. T

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Voter,

Home 22/04/2007 16:42:13

So, looks like we will elect an SNP-Lib Dem government for Scotland.
Who are the runners and riders to take their place in the Cabinet. Forget the constitution, the policies. It's about people!

- First Minister, Alex Salmond - though let's hope we can regain him through the List so we can also retain Nora up in Gordon.

- Deputy First Minister, Nicol Stephen - he can't really expect to sit in the big chair, can he? Afraid we should also ask him to give up the enterprise brief - surely the ministry for Jim Mather, who's been there and done it all in the big bad capitalist world.

- Parliament Minister (aka Minister for Newsnight) - a decent post for Nicola Sturgeon to get her teeth into after the roastings she's given wee Jack in recent years at FMQ.

- Justice Minister, Kenny MacAskill unless he wants the sports brief, which might otherwise go to Culture and Tourism Minister-in-waiting Rob Gibson.
Jeremy Purvis may wish to wrest this post back for the Libs, though given their illiberal plans for seven years in the clink for all knife misdemeanours, we may wish to first see his position on CCTV and antisocial behaviour and the like.

- Health Minister, Shona Robison - a cert. Though the hair needs some surgery...

- Education Minister, Robert Brown - may fancy this after his stint as deputy.

- Communities & Equalities Minister - could be a tussle between Christine Grahame, who deserves a good post after her superb performances in the last leadership election, and Sandra White. Fergus Ewing may also fancy the equalities brief if Finance goes to John Swinney.

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The Busman,

the Capital 22/04/2007 17:57:19

It's not clear to me that the SNP can separate support for itself as a government for devolved Scotland, with support for independence. I suspect that the former is much stronger than the latter.

People are quite grumpy with Labour, and Jack McConnell - not least, in Edinburgh, because of the policy of shifting civil service jobs to Glasgow so Jack can tell his voters in Wishaw that devolution is 'benefitting them'.

42

James Annand,

22/04/2007 19:31:30

AM

What you are doing is implying that anyone that supports self determination is a racist. I take exception to that. You have every right to your point of view, but to take posts of other users, and to not actually have the topic link and a note of the number, leads me to conclude that at least half are mis-quoted.

Much in the same way you mis-quoted me in your reply.

7. “Voting SNP makes you "more" Scottish”


The thing I don't get about this one is the "more" bit.

It is fairly obvious that a racist, claymore rattling Scot would not feel the need to add quotation marks. The only way this quote makes sense is if the person was saying something like "It's not the case that voting SNP makes you "more" Scottish"

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morris,

Edinburgh 22/04/2007 20:16:33

10
Only nationalist groups question official figures?Thank God for nationalist groups then!
Only idiots accept government figures without question!
Maybe thats why nationalist groups exist!
In fact the probable way forward for Northern Ireland could be that she is neither administered from Dublin or LOndon but wholly independent of both! That would never occur to Northern Ireland would it? IT might work ! We couldnt even consider anything which would compromise in that neither side won, but conversely neither side was seen to have lost either!

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livilion,

livingston 22/04/2007 20:20:57

41. AM2, Glasgow

British is reserved for those not quite up to being classed as English.

To be British is to be a second class citizen in the UK.

In Unionist Ulster I've conceded that things are different.

There they get really wound up if you call them Irish if they are from the other side of the divide.

My big pal Nevin in Londonderry is British, he could hardly sound more Irish, but as he says is most certainly NOT Irish.

You remind me of him.

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livilion,

livingston 22/04/2007 20:27:22

57. AM2, Glasgow
The context of the admittedly clumsey quote is the thing

>>>
Anyone who does not desire the independence of their own country obviously doesn't value their country much. No other people I know of would sacrifice their cultural and political autonomy for a union that disadvantages them in all sorts of ways.

Voting a unionist party is consigning Scotland to cultural and political non-existence.

Voting SNP makes you "more" Scottish because you're attempting to rescue your country from its non-existence.

As long as Scotland remains part of a union with England, it will always be regarded as a region of England by the vast majority of people in the world.
<<<

If confirmation were ever needed just take yourself over to the Telegraph blogs and see the Southern perspective of having Scots ruling on 'purely' English matters.

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James Annand,

22/04/2007 20:43:44

Well I've seen you post quite a few half truths on here, so I felt that this was probably another one. You may have used the ... device, but you have not used that in the quotes above.

Okay, it was a pro-independence comment. You have me there, but it was entirely reasonable in context.

Some of the other ones that have been cut and pasted are obviously the nutters that most SNP supporters are not too happy about.

You imply that all SNP supporters think this. This is clearly not the case. I'd be more than happy to cut and paste a few 'unionists' opinions that are obviously BNP supporters.

As for me putting words into your mouth: you do that on a regular basis to SNP supporters and those standing for parliament.


On a side note, I would like to commend you for taking a softer line. You are probably winning more support for yourself amongst lurkers. I do remember what you and media1 were like a few weeks ago, and hope others do too.

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James Annand,

22/04/2007 20:50:48

By the way, in the past I have converted English students to voting SNP. I believe that anyone that lives here is Scottish if they want to be. If you want Scotland to move forward, I am happy for you no matter who you vote for. What angers me is blind loyalty to a lost ideal of a party of the working man.

You say you're a Tory so I don't really have a problem with you, but it's your constant harping on about the SNP that gets my goat.

I also refuse to use the phrase 'asylum seeker'. When did they stop being 'refugees'?

48

Edinburghs only big team,

22/04/2007 21:20:51

#61 I think what #59 really means is that voting SNP makes you more scottish in some ways.

What worries me is along with the extra tax will I have to wear a See you Jimmy wig and swig Buckfast too if Rab and Mary Doll get in?

49

Sambo,

The deep south 22/04/2007 21:22:56

What is Alex Salmonds blueprint for Scotland?
Are the principal ministers being completely honest about the true financial position of the Scottish economy?
It is not enough to say "vote for me and by 2011 I'll have the plan in place".
Beware Scotland of Scots bearing gifts.

50

rab, glasgow,

22/04/2007 21:56:51

66. AM2, Glasgow / Still boring the ass of people I see.Your comments are a waste of space , just like your wee numpty leader.

51

getinnnn,

Scotland 22/04/2007 21:58:17

#65
"Beware Scotland of Scots bearing gifts"
Beware Scotland of Unionists bearing gifts to give to traitors in the act of Union; of Unionist gold buying off Men to betray their Country; of Unionist gifts giving false cover to mask a river of wealth flowing out of Scotland; Unionist using Scots as cannon fodder to follow their plans and not Our Own. WAKE UP SCOTLAND and recognise Our position as DOORMAT!!!

52

Sambo,

The deep south 22/04/2007 22:00:40

I'm not siding with AM however it is surprising the amount of hate that is spewed on this blog site.

53

James Annand,

22/04/2007 22:17:33

Maybe I was a bit harsh, but I don't have the time or inclination to go back and look up posts made a few weeks ago. I also don't spend my time copying and saving posts that I find offensive.


Oh, and I do have to thank you. You make me think deeper about things that seem natural. Such as "There is no such thing as a British nationality or culture".

There isn't. Even today after 300 years of union (more like the European Union than anything else) it is apparent that there is very little similarity between the Scots and the English. Before you get alarmed, I would also point out that people in the north of England are very different to those in the south. I would say they have a different culture too.

The notion of "Britishness" has more to do with 1930's English ideals than Scottish ones.

I'd like nothing better than Scotland and England to be partners after Scottish independence. It would just be better if we looked after all of our own matters independently, and co-operated wherever possible.


End of ranting.

54

Sambo,

The deep south 22/04/2007 22:33:18

#68 getinnnn,
I love the country of my birth, I wish it well, we were done wrong in the past. My concern is that whoever Scotland puts at the helm will lead the country to prosperity. Please no empty promises.
Holyrood is a poor example of how the Scottish people can be governed.
I'm not impressed.

55

rab, glasgow,

22/04/2007 22:49:03

Exactly sambo . The scottish people are far from being impressed with follyrood and the numpty,s
that are clambering on to a gravy train to line their own pockets. We need and want politicians who love thier country , NOT labour dross and fib/ dum
parasites.

56

Beefnut,

22/04/2007 22:51:24

AM
So because I suggested you take your lies and inuendo back to whence you came, makes me totalitarian?

That is pushing the envelope.

The only reason you have been attacked (check my other posts) is because you are blatant in your lying and blind in your logic.

The request for you to go back to Ulster was in the context of you not sprouting anti-Scottish comments and ignoring posters who questioned you.

You have toned it down a few notches, however, you are still working for either Scotsman or the Labour party with one aim. To post lies and inuendo.

How else are you able to post full page replies minutes from an article being posted by the Scotsman. How else are you able to have a full page of stats. ready to post within less than a minute of your last post?

You know what the artcle is going to be before hand. Further, you know when it is about to be posted. You were always the first one to post on an artcle without fail.

When it was pointed out to you that this could not be mere coincidence, you then began to wait for a few posts and then started your game of cut and paste.

You are a fraud and the comments page would indeed be far better off without you.

I said last week that I would be ignoring everything you posted.

However, when you quote me out of context and acuse me of being totalitarian, I had to respond.

This will be the last time I will waste my valuable time on you.

Thankfully, the majority of people on the comments board now know you for what you are.

Ask yourself this- why out of all the thousands of people who post on here, they all seem to feel the need to point out how mis-leading your posts are?

Because you have been caught posting as someone else and red handed as well.

Enjoy your May day. I know I will.

57

saltire.1,

moray 22/04/2007 22:57:58

i am a scot...not a brit

58

rab, glasgow,

22/04/2007 22:58:17

73. Beefnut / Seconded.

59

James Annand,

22/04/2007 23:02:59

Just go right ahead and ignore the rest of my post. You don't seem to read the whole posts. Just skim for what you can twist.

By the way, if I wanted to I could construe your post as racist/bigotted:

"I see far more similarities than differences. Working abroad in a company with British (all four types), Australians, Americans, French, Germans, Indians and others showed me that very clearly."

Actually, that was your whole post.....

60

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22/04/2007 23:05:35
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason: Scotsman Import, Original comment id: 552223, Article id was mapped to record!
61

Colin P,

Ontario, Canada 22/04/2007 23:08:07

I thought this was the most favourable article yet for the SNP in this paper. There are a couple of issues I'd like to comment on, though.
"future king of England" is a misnomer, although in North America, Liz is known as the Queen of England. Perhaps the author was carried away?
>>"The SNP is banking on the Treasury handing over the near £400m a year it currently gives to Scottish homes as council tax benefit. But the Treasury currently says it won't."<<
This seems to me like the Treasury will only hand the money over to the Labour party? What does that say about the current UK government? They have to change their attitude to accept one of the home nations changing it's ruling party. They have to get along, otherwise they prove what nationalists have been saying for years. I wait with bated breath...

62

Beefnut,

22/04/2007 23:18:24

79.

Well pointed out.
So the paper is saying Scotland will only get the monies that are due to her if Westminster agree with the election results. Whatsmore, they will only agree with the results so long as it's anything but SNP that win.

If it wasnt so serious it would be laughable.

Vote Labour Scotland or ye'll no get yer pocket money!

63

getinnnn,

Scotland 22/04/2007 23:25:02

#71 & #72
I do think that the Scottish Parlaiment is a joke just now: The politicians in it have seemed to be playing like kids in a wendy house:That is probably because they were given powers with wendy house clout: What they need is a jolt:- A country to Govern:- A country that has to finally stand on it's Own two feet and not this make believe fantasy world that it is in now.The Nationalist parties are the only ones that have their sleeves rolled up and ready to act like Men!

64

ColinEdin,

22/04/2007 23:33:16

After reading these posts I think its time I made my comments. Now politically I completely disagree with AM2, however, some of the posts his opponents are making are downright vicious!

I support separation for utilitarian reasons, mainly being that I am a libertarian and therefore support smaller government and less centralisation.

Some of the posts on this forum that attack AM2 personally make me appalled to think that many of my fellow Scots think this is a method of legitimate debate...

You should really be ashamed of yourselves. Insulting and belittling your opponent is not the way to win any argument. If this is what nationalism can spur then I feel very regretful that I happen to be classified in the same camp as you (and you know who you are) just because I support separation on a level of utility, not of nationality (hence why I use the word separation rather than nationalism).

65

lorren,

usa 22/04/2007 23:36:54

Forget the Hullabaloo. Keep You Eyes on the Prize Scotland Just go out and Vote
AMS you are an offense to every free thinking intelligent person .. Who in their right mind wouldn't want to chart their own course. It's inherant in the nature of a person to want to make decisions for themselves. What do you have against that. For the life of me i dont undestand someone like that.

Are you so scared to make your own decisions?? You want someone in another country to make them for you, in case you make a mistake. I just dont understand a person like that. never will. Whit the hell are ye feart off. yerself no doot. Are ye afraid ye cannae make it. dont worry , when yer independant, ye cannae believe the help you will get

66

Alistair Stewart,

Alternative Party Political Broadcast 22/04/2007 23:53:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16bPATQnAU4

Alternative Party Political Broadcast
on behalf of the Lying Labour Party

67

rab, glasgow,

22/04/2007 23:57:49

82. AM2, Glasgow / Also you are not wanted
in scotland, if you know where it is .

68

Colin P,

Ontario, Canada 23/04/2007 00:36:48

AM2, a couple weeks ago, while reading, ad nauseum, your "demolition" of the SNP financial platform, I asked you if you'd be so kind as to do the same for Labour's platform.

I do not always get the chance to check to posts so I missed it. Would you be so kind as to repost this? Thank you.

69

getinnnn,

Scotland 23/04/2007 00:45:33

England is no "Home Nation" to Me: I only have one Home Nation and that is Scotland. Try finding the name of Scotland in a drop down list of Nation options when You come accross them on the internet: You'll have a hard job.I want to support Scotland in the Olympics: it is not treated as an individual Nation but should be- competing 3 1/2 Nations in the Olympics is cheating anyway and should not be allowed.The definition of a living thing is the ability to exibit: Our Nation is barely alive: Britain is like a cancer to Scotland:I am relieved to see that there is still life in it yet and a desire for independence and the ability to exibit fully:Let's cut off this Cancer that is the U.K: Do We really want Scotland to die? Spare Me the "English Hatred" line too because I wish them the same as Ourselves.......The U.K?: Yes I hate that:- It is the thing that is killing My Country:It can only, ultimately, survive on the dead corpse of Our Nations after the cries of their Native people die and stop calling Scotland, Wales and England their home.

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Royster,

23/04/2007 08:24:32

#16. Fairer and more prosperous don't normally go hand in hand. North Korea is pretty fair economically.
#91. The UK is one of the world's most successful nations. Easily more varied and successful than the small countries the SNP likes to hld up as examples. I suppose life has been really bad for you in the UK, hasn't it, you whinging pr%t?

71

getinnnn,

Scotland 23/04/2007 14:25:15

#92
That is not whinging :It is being optimistic for Scotland. I hope My country is honourable and has the guts to stand up and make it's Own decisions.The U.k is NOT a Nation but 3 1/2.....the 1/2 having been stolen from Ireland for military strategy.Britain has been very successful in trampling on other Nations throughout History.I am not interested in "Succsess" but in honour.We'll soon find out who the whinging pr%s are when this small nation takes its reigns by its own hands and people like You will have to stick that Union Jack up where the sun doesn't shine.


 

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