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Euro dream over as Scots are beaten but unbowed



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Published Date: 18 November 2007
THEY had their hearts broken only for them to be patched up. Then, with seconds to go and hope springing eternal, those same brave hearts were broken again and tears flowed at Hampden.
Scotland's fans did their country proud before, during and after the devastating 2-1 defeat by Italy, whether among the throng at Hampden Park or clustered around TV sets from the deserts of Afghanistan to the sports bars of New York.

After the last-gasp Italian winner following a disputed free kick, disbelieving members of the Tartan Army - Prime Minister Gordon Brown and First Minister Alex Salmond among them at the rain-soaked national stadium - could only reflect on what came so tantalisingly close but was cruelly snatched away in the classic Scottish tradition.

Salmond delivered an upbeat verdict, saying: "They restored national pride and won international respect."

Many ordinary fans agreed, including student Stuart Laing from Dunfermline, who said: "I'm gutted by the result tonight, but I am really proud of the way Scotland played.

"They gave everything they had and you can't ask for more than that.

"Two years ago we were 88th in the world and now we are pushing the world champions right to the wire. We have got our pride back and I'm sure we'll make it to the next World Cup finals.

Ewan McIntosh from Inverness said: "We are still going out to party.

"We made the Italians look pretty ordinary and I think they would have been happy with a draw, which says something. It's going to go down as yet another glorious failure for Scotland, but I think our team is going to get stronger in the coming years."

Pensioner Dave Robb from Glasgow said: "The quality of refereeing was absolutely appalling. The second Italian goal should never have been allowed to stand. I don't mind losing to a better team, but tonight I feel cheated."

Last night, Scotland manager Alex McLeish backed that view, declaring: "The Italians got up the pitch, got a dodgy decision. It was a very bad decision."

Police reported 12 arrests in Glasgow following the game, but match commander Chief Superintendent Robin Howe said: "I'd like to commend both sets of fans for their excellent behaviour."

In Dundee, where the city centre pubs had been packed since lunchtime, Frank Henry, a 23-year-old gas engineer from Dundee, said: "I am devastated. You can't fault the performance. The team were brilliant and they made the world champions look ordinary."

Bar manager Steven Carr said he was "heartbroken" at Scotland's last-minute defeat. "At 90 minutes I was looking forward already to the Ukraine-France game, hoping the result would go the right way. I was also looking forward to going to Austria and Switzerland next year, but it is not to be."

Italian fans, walking through Edinburgh's Grassmarket, showed great diplomacy. Marcus Venerus, a 19-year-old waiter from Dalkeith, said: "My dad's Italian. One-one would've been fine for Italy. It would've been nice if they could both have gone through."

Morena Canino, 24, a teaching assistant, said: "I'm pleased Italy won, but I don't think it was very fair. I didn't like the match. I don't think we played particularly well. I can't really celebrate now as most of my friends here are Scottish!"

In outposts such as Hong Kong, weary members of the Tartan Army branch sloped away from the Amici bar at around 4am after a 1am kickoff. Scott Semple, from Glasgow, said: "The atmosphere was amazing beforehand but it went a bit flat when Italy scored. By half-time everyone was refreshed and we went mad when Ferguson scored.

"Disappointing doesn't sum up what happened at the end. There is a real sense of injustice because it should never have been a free kick."

Pubs throughout Scotland reported record takings as fans crowded in to see the game, which was only broadcast on satellite TV.

The full article contains 665 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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1

Alex R,

connecticut USA 18/11/2007 01:07:55

saw the game with 12 othr members of the TA in a pub in norwalk connecticut , and was abso. gutted - one of the lads said that " thisll kill mcFadden , he will never be the same player again after " the miss" - well if any of Faddys friends or family is reading this , please tell him get over it - we are all proud as hell of him , the players and the management - boys you did us proud , Scotland forever

2

Far East Arab,

Japan 18/11/2007 01:19:31

WTF has that got to do with it? This was a football game, take your skewed political values elsewhere CG!!

Another valiant effort and another glorious failure

3

Stupendous127,

New Jersey, USA 18/11/2007 01:20:24

Faddy's gutted like the rest of us but he said he knows it's time to pick himself up and move on. I think we should all be proud of the boys, they played their hearts out and pushed the world champions around our house for a while. Proud to be Scottish!!!

4

Home Rule for Pertyck,

Glesca-a bloatit fishin village east o Pertyck Br 18/11/2007 01:21:48

#2. Alex R wrote:

"one of the lads said that " thisll kill mcFadden , he will never be the same player again after " the miss" - ..."

Faddie's cracker in the Parc des Princes will be the abiding memory of this campaign which Scotland really lost -as oftimes before-on a battlefield where they should have been victorious: Georgia

5

Rossmcl,

Edinburgh 18/11/2007 01:30:47

Bravehearted team have achieved so much since the SNP came to power. Such a shame that, in the end, the effects of Labour/Liberal 8 years of underfunding of football sneaked through at the very end to rob them of their glory. Scotland knows whos fault it was. Roll on Independence anyway.

6

Kung-Half-Fu,

Cathay Patriotic 18/11/2007 01:45:51

#7. Chairman Gordon, UK

Why don't you wrap yourself in your smug union flag and go toast your UK-absorbed self in a microwave? Your comments are invariably irrelevant and well wide of the subject.

Scotland - repeat Scotland - played their socks off and lost on the night. No thanks to a Latin adjudication trio of questionable integrity. Check the video evidence, UK-blind sourpuss. Time to be rid of you and your smug ilk.

7

NHS 24,

Carstairs 18/11/2007 01:47:48

Gordon - missed your medication again! You know it makes you ramble. Call 08454 24 24 24 and tell us your problems. We are trained and can help you.

8

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18/11/2007 01:52:27
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ReSuazo,

18/11/2007 01:57:09

scot-free, you are silly! remember that italy has been disalllowed a good goal whereas ferguson'sscore was in off-side....scots are sore losers!!!!!

10

AJ of Fife,

18/11/2007 02:05:49

Fantastic effort by the lads!

Scotland's profile has never been so good!

No doubt the unionosts will try and belittle Scotland's progress!

11

AJ of Fife,

18/11/2007 02:06:36

Unionists- of course!

12

Kung-Half-Fu,

Cathay Patriotic 18/11/2007 02:17:49

#AJ.

No - "unionosts" is better. Like Blairman Gorgon above.

13

Teófilo Cubillas,

Lima, Peru 18/11/2007 02:19:25

ReSuazo is absolutely correct. I don't think it was that the linesman / ref were corrupt (although with Italian football, who knows...), more that they were utterly incompetent.
Italy had a second goal chalked off for no good reason, Ferguson scored Scotland's goal from an offside position and then to give Italy the free kick after a clear foul on Hutton was the icing on the cake. They shouldn't be allowed to referee a school game in future. 10 months to world cup qualifying from pot 2......

14

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KeithD,

Fife 18/11/2007 02:23:37

Yep Scotland done us proud and like you AJ are waiting for all the unionists saying how much better we would be in a uk team.

16

Dueronomy,

Somewhere 18/11/2007 02:43:31

What have the SNP and the Scottish football team got in common?; neither can fulfil the promises they make.

17

Malachi Malagrowther,

18/11/2007 02:50:07

Congratulations to Italy.

Well played everyone in the Scotland team. You played your hearts out and your country will remember. Well done Alex McLeish for coming to your country’s aid at her time of need, after she was so cruelly betrayed by those who put personal gain ahead of their nation. We will remember their names too.

But let us not be too despondent about this result. The reason we take these defeats so badly is we have so few Scottish institutions that represent us on the world stage. Football is one of the few we have, and it means a lot to us. Almost too much.

I look forward to the day when the football team represents an independent country, when we can console ourselves after our defeats with the knowledge that it’s only a game.

When we don’t need a football result to feel good about ourselves.

18

gianni wcw,

springfield mass 18/11/2007 02:50:20

i'm italian and i want to say that scotland did not deserve to be eliminate after all those 12 games ,if ever is france the one that got lucky to pass the qualification,fantastic fans at hampden park, congratulation !

19

Kung-Half-Fu,

Cathay Patriotic 18/11/2007 02:56:23

#18. Chairman Gordon, UK

Wrong, Blairman. you invariably trot out the same crap on any or every forum in the hope that somebody will take you seriously. It's you that kicks off about politics. Check your own stupid post #1 for starters.

Your little troll #19. Dueronomy (spelling problem?) tries the mind-numbing cliché as a way of enhancing his lack of intellect. So sad.

20

Kung-Half-Fu,

Cathay Patriotic 18/11/2007 02:59:13

#21. gianni wcw

Grazie, Gianni. Nice to see a sensible Italian on here. Some of your compatriots on a related forum shame your nation.

21

Navvy,

18/11/2007 03:20:12

it is only a game ? Played ? by professionals ?

Who gave them the right to represent Scotland?

Why not give a bit more suport to those Scottish amateurs who do well on the international stage

22

John Parkyn,

Toronto, Canada 18/11/2007 03:24:55

What an exceptionally "lucky:" country Italy is when it comes to getting a result... In the last World Cup the referee miraculously awarded them a penalty against Australia. Yesterday, an Italian forward bowls over a Scottish defender and somehow is awarded a free-kick which leads to a goal. The Italians advance in both cases. Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

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18/11/2007 03:31:24
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Kung-Half-Fu,

Cathay Patriotic 18/11/2007 03:31:41

#24. Navvy

"Who gave them the right to represent Scotland?"

Huh? This competition is entirely for the professional game. When you have something sensible to contribute on the subject then pause before posting twaddle. Clearly, your football knowledge is sorely wanting.

25

Dueronomy,

Somewhere 18/11/2007 03:31:47

#22 Kung-Half-Fu

Hit a nerve did I then drone? And tell me drone being the superior intellectual that you pretend to be why you consider my moniker, Dueronomy, is a spelling mistake when it is actually an anagram of my own name and not as you incorrectly surmised, Duteronomy. Feeling a wee bit foolish now are you?

26

Ermes,

British Columbia 18/11/2007 03:39:01

Cool it, guys. I'm Italian, too--and I agree that the Scots did a great job in this tournament, much better than they themselves expected to do. But don't let hubris get the better of you. You know what happened to Macbeth when he st out to dethrone good old Duncan...

27

Dueronomy,

Somewhere 18/11/2007 03:40:44

#22 Kung-Half-Fu

Hit a nerve did I drone? And tell me drone why a superior intellectual such as yourself makes the assumption that I have a spelling problem with my moniker, Dueronomy, which is in fact an anagram of my own name and was never meant to be Duteronomy. Feeling a wee bit foolish now are you?

28

Kung-Half-Fu,

Cathay Palaeolithic 18/11/2007 04:06:23

#28. and # 30. Dueronomy

Wow. Needed to post twice to make sure, you sad little man?

You hit no nerve here, Mr Son of Gorgon Repetitive Drone. The only foolish person on here, besides your Chairman co-pilot, is your own splendid droneful self. Drone away to your wee heart's content, sunshine. Droneability is good for the soul.

And I don't pretend to be the superior intellectual with which you (rightly) accredit me. How perceptive. Top of the class, little dronesman. No need for me to pretend, as I actually get paid handsomely for being smarter than you.

To quote your very good and wonderful droneful self: "Feeling a wee bit foolish now are you?" Oh, absolutely, drone-chum. Totally foolish - I don't think. You achieved that ownership all by your squealing, pitiful self.

Have a nice British droneday as the UK disappears slowly down the pan before your desperately blinkered Rule-Britannia drone eyes.

29

Dueronomy,

Somewhere 18/11/2007 04:09:11

#31

You poor wee sad man.

30

Kung-Half-Fu,

Cathay Palaeolithic 18/11/2007 04:09:29

#28 & #30

Reminder: This forum is about football, not your sick-making one-eyed UK politics.

31

Spotter,

18/11/2007 04:10:08

i hear gordon brown was at the game
he is a jinx
england will be hoping he does not go back to supporting them in a few days

glory grabbing bad karma

32

Kung-Half-Fu,

Cathay Palaeolithic 18/11/2007 04:26:58

#34. Spotter

Tell that to #32 (and his previous #28 & 30). He'll enjoy the joke. Oh, sorry, he doesn't possess the wit to comprehend the irony. He even copies my post (#31 at 32) as if to amplify the fact. Bad football day. Where's GalacticCannibal when you need him to @rse-kick his UK acolytes?

33

JP2,

Censored by the scotsman for telling the truth 18/11/2007 04:56:25

Now we can get back to real football!

The only people who care about international football are the fans of the wee teams.

When people like Aiden McGeady (who I believe is the best player in Scotland), who was born and bred in Scotland, can play for Ireland, then what is their to be patriotic about?

Until players are mandated to play for the country of their birth, then international football is a farce.

34

Patrick Vossen,

Nebraska USA 18/11/2007 05:07:11

I was thinking things were so promising. I knew the Scots had to be so much better than Italy because of the calls they'd get. However, I didn't expect the same kind of treatment that Celtic, Rangers or any other Scottish team has gotten from the referees in the past. No calls for penalties and dive calls given for the opponents have been past fare. Yet, they were in Scotland! I just didn't think the referees would make climatic calls like that late one there in
Scotland.

Boy, I wish there was some kind of video replay a coach could call for once or twice a game if necessary. That late call would have been reversed.

Proud of the team, class players, great efforts
Scots.


Patrick

35

Ian_,

usa 18/11/2007 05:08:48

I'm proud of these players. They played their hearts out and matched the world champions. With luck they could have won but they at least deserved a draw. We've gone from a ranking of around 88 to about 13 in a fairly short time. This is a very good team that gives up hope for the WC qualifying.

36

Kung-Half-Fu,

Cathay Palaeolithic 18/11/2007 05:33:50

#36. JP2

Very good point. I have always maintained that you play (with pride) for the country of your birth. I think most of my fellow Scots football supporters will go along with that.

Time was when that was mandatory. Until some bureaucratic bampot (do I hear the till jangling?) dreamt up the granny rule.

This was the most stupid thing imaginable and led to every sort of idiocy. Take the 1990s Republic of Ireland side: Geordie English manager. A team comprising Cockneys, Glaswegians, Scousers and anybody else who could contrive an Irish granny. Most, if not all, of these players, would never have commanded a place in the UK (or Irish) country of their birth.

JP2 above is right to say that "until players are mandated to play for the country of their birth, then international football is a farce." Likewise foreign managers of national teams. Ericsson was never, could never be, passionate about England. Similarly Berti Vogts and Scotland. You have to be a native to feel and spread the passion, otherwise you are nowadays only going through the motions and picking up a fat pay check for doing next to bog-all. Managing a national side in darkest Africa or sweaty Middle East is not the same as digging in your heels for the country of your birth. It's a choice nowadays between money and pride.

37

Kelpie Kiss,

Thailand 18/11/2007 05:43:05

I don't normally post on message boards but Chairman Gordon and Dueronomy need to get a life. CG - You made the very first post. You must have been sitting there waiting for a story so you could get your sad wee point in there fast. Did it make you feel all big and clever? Do you ever just stop and marvel at your incredible smugness?

Dueronomy - You're trying to sound pure literate and intellectual aye? Big words in that. Who says moniker? Say nickname ya tube. You were so intent on trying to sound like a brain that you actually did a 2nd draft of your sad wee post. Unlucky for you that you posted it twice showing everyone what a tit you are.

Just stop and ask yourselves why you feel the need to wind people up like this.

Grow up the pair o yis!

38

Kelpie Kiss,

Thailand 18/11/2007 05:45:37

And here's my post regarding Fitbaw:

If you watched the game last night after Scotland had scored and tried to forget the reputations, most gambling men would have had to back Scotland in the last 10 minutes. We were playing BETTER than Italy, the world champions. If that's not a reason for optimism, I don't know what is.

Any team in the world would find it very hard to come back against Italy. We not only did this by playing good football but also carved them open in a great move and almost got a 2nd. If that sitter had been scored then it would have been a very different story. That's the cruelty of football.

Anyone who can't see that Scotland are now a footballing force to be reckoned with are looking at old reputations and not those 11 men on the park. For the last 10 years Scotland have been the whipping boys, now I can't imagine too many teams wanting to draw us in their group. Plain and simply - We're good!

39

Kelpie Kiss,

Thailand 18/11/2007 06:01:39

JP2 - Couldn't agree more. Apparently there's a young player for Dundee who Celtic, Arsenal and Liverpool are after. He's a big Celtic fan and wants to play for Ireland. I'm a Celtic fan myself but this drives me nuts. The Celtic fans waving the Irish flag and the Gers waiving their Union Jacks. As long as this stupid attitude persists, we will never be the team we could be.

40

Mandela,

Johannesburg 18/11/2007 06:30:21

I am very proud of our team but I just have this feeling of injustice. How can that linesman justify giving that free kick to Italy ?And when the ball went into the net an Italian player was miles offside and as he was nearly on the goal line he MUST have been interfering with play.
Israel were 6/1 to beat Russia btw........makes you think doesn't it ?

41

Paul Voltaire,

18/11/2007 06:42:35

We failed.
In heroic fashion though.

42

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citysam,

stalybridge england 18/11/2007 07:06:14

hold your heads up high scotland , you was robbed, and you played with heart , more than england do. see you in the world cup!

44

Haleakelaman,

Auld Grey City 18/11/2007 07:09:30

What did we expect?
The football gets too much media coverage anyway. You would think that we couldn't live without it, which of course we could, quite happily.

45

Ballywhorisky,

18/11/2007 07:15:23

Just a wee domestic observation to various Rangers supporters sharing my misery at Scotland's defeat, and bemused by various referee\linesman decisions: Officials today were 10 times better than Mike McCurry's performance at Hades a few weeks ago.

Add to that Gordon Smith's scandalous comments prior to that match (agenda against Rangers, and his frank admission that he had seen Catholic Schools as the "enemy") and you can begin to imagine the frustration of Celts at the mess that is Scottish Football.

46

John A.,

Dubai 18/11/2007 07:16:09

After reading some unbelievably smug and insulting comments posted last night - apparently from Italy, here again are my comments:

...........Obviously passions are running high tonight.

First of all, if Scotland had won tonight it would have been desperately hard on Italy who played excellently for much of the match and, yes, were unlucky to have the second 'goal' chalked off.


However their incessant dialogue (See Gatusso in the match replays) with the referee, their refusal to move back when it was a Scotland free kick, their jersey pulling as soon as a Scotland player went past them, and yes (wait for it) their Olympic standard diving - all add up to the same thing: they have bent, twisted and thoroughly deformed the rules of the 'beautiful game' where referees accept their behaviour as 'normal'.

Well, it is not normal behaviour and is totally against the law and the spirit of the game and quite frankly the decisions against Australia and the baiting of ZZ in the World Cup Final were totally unacceptable anywhere.

When Italian clubs stop coaching their players how to dive when fairly tackled, when the Rossoneri officials and politicians behind them are debarred from their cynical political manipulation of the Italian Refereeing Association by serving custodial sentences, and when the body checking and jersey pulling (amongst many other offences) result in 7 Italian players being left on the pitch, then I might start believing that UEFA and FIFA have got their act together.

However, as far as tonight's game is concerned, there will be forever a resentment about the result around the world as I am sure that most neutrals would have been bamboozled with regard to the Hutton 'offence' that conceded the free kick that led to the 2nd Italy goal. Referees have a hard task but that was one of the easier decisions to call - and what was his assistant referee up to?

So good luck Italy in the finals but I trully hope you ge

47

donald,

weegieland 18/11/2007 07:17:21

"Oh, did Scotland not win AND secure independence by the full time whistle after all then?"

Brian Wilson, Tam Dalyell and the rest of the Labour Brits can relax - for a wee while longer.

48

Ballywhorisky,

18/11/2007 07:24:49

John A, 48,

Aye, I buy all that.....but how can Scottish Football fans comment when refereeing in our game is in such a mess? Diving is not unknown in our game. Players here do not respect referees or their decisions. Referees here make bizarre, inconsistent decisions (eg after 80 mins of recent OF match 7 Celts & 0 Gers booked) and worst of all.....the SFA Chief Exec comments re "agenda" against Rangers, and openly admits he saw Catholic Schools as "the enemy".

49

Norville Barnes,

18/11/2007 07:36:57

The SNP should be ashamed of themselves.

When Alex Salmond promised we'd start winning football internationals he was tell porkies.

50

gordo999,

Vancouver, Canada 18/11/2007 07:56:18

What's all this pride about, we lost...again!! We maded exactly the same mistakes as we've been making for decades...no one has learned. We knew it was crucial not to concede a goal early, yet we gave one up to an unmarked man within 90 seconds. We came within a hair of beating Italy last time at Hampden, and gave up the winner to an unmarked man. Not good enough!!

There's something wrong in the modern system when so many goals are scored by forwards with no one near them. It's about accountability, and the modern system is about probability: the probability that someone will somehow pick up the loose man. They are applying quantum mechanics to football now. In a conundrum of that black art, a cat in a box can be dead, alive, or either dead and alive. That's the kind of logic Scotland employs on defence.

I think McLeish should be gone...replaced by Kenny Dalglish. McLeish is a good lad but he doesn't have the detailed mind required to see us through. He screwed up big time in the Ukraine and Georgia. Anyone who would leave Boyd and O'Connor on the bench just doesn't understand.

I see no future for Scotland now that the order has been restored. I mean the nepotic connection between the SFA, Rangers and Celtic. Dalglish was not invited because he is his own man. He wouldn't put up with the in-breeding. As a result, Scotland will never go anywhere. That was our best kick at the cat and it will likely never happen again.

51

Encephalon,

18/11/2007 08:07:23

#1 what an incredibly stupid remark.

If you are going to politicise the result -then blame Gordon Brown -anytime he attends any sporting event to milk the publicity -he is the kiss of death-he did for your beloved Engerlund at the eggchasers WC semi!

Let's hope he is at Wembley on Wednesday!

52

kimba,

18/11/2007 08:13:41

Oh well another Scottish defeat,nothing unusual there then;but Israel did England proud,maybe a few more Scottish tears will fall after wednesday!

53

kimba,

18/11/2007 08:16:13

53. Bitter pill to swallow,or are you always full of bile.

54

Comerscroft,

18/11/2007 08:20:08

Ahhhhhhhhh.........the 'Glorious defeat' compunded by the 'we wuz robbed' and 'Braveheart Scots go down fighting' factors.

So much for the 'Flower of Scotland'.

A clump of weeds, more like.

Mind you, anyone who read and believed the hyperbole about 'Scotland's destiny' etc, etc----the main item of news in the Hootsman as though nothing else in the world mattered--needs their tiny heads examined.


Get over it. It's only a game of football.

55

Dubai,

18/11/2007 08:28:46

I woke up this morning a Scotsman. What a privilege.

56

Steve Evans,

Malta 18/11/2007 08:30:22

At least Scotland can be proud of their players after that terrible decission by the Spanish Inquisition at the end. Great fair play on both sides and companionship, would have probably been a different story though over the border, especially from the well known English fans. Must be quiet around the country this morning ?

57

jocky tamson,

glasgow 18/11/2007 08:36:38

Having said yesterday that I hope we do not qualify because I do not like the results of the tribalism that follows I have to apologise and eat my words.
Leaving aside the politcs (tribalism)and the quality of the football and ignoring the wind up merchants. The Scottish fans and people I met in the streets and pubs after the game partied in a good way and did not let their dissappointment get the down or allow it to make them bitter. We can all learn from that.

58

Boy Wonder,

18/11/2007 08:39:54

The Celtic Dream goes on ... failure ... but heroically achieved!

I didn't watch the match, so can't comment on the refereeing, but it appears a draw would have been the right scoreline under the circumstances.

Ah well, next time maybe we won't get a group like this one, arguably the toughest of all.

The team did our country proud ... so did the fans. But when it's all said and done ... it is only a game. Not life and death.

59

Lilinka,

Czech Republic 18/11/2007 08:40:24

heartbreaking is the word appropriate for the result. Devestated was how I felt but still damned proud. keep politics out of it boys and just support your country.

60

nearly-neurotic,

R.U.I.N.S.RefsUndueInfluenceNeedStopping!! 18/11/2007 08:55:33

We went down fighting.
And you cannot fault that.
We had a go and I dont just mean a blood and snotters go.
It was a footballing driven and orchestrated go.

Scotlands National footballing team gained deserved praise from all corners for their efforts last night,which could so easily and deservedly have ended in victory.

Huttons contribution,in my opinion,earned him man of the match and showed Hutton himself which part of his game he should concentrate,the footballing part.

Scotland The Brave and Braveheart titles are oh so deserving this morning.

Who`s next?!!

MON SCOTLAND.......

61

Sheik_mctadger,

18/11/2007 08:58:57

Personally, I would have the soles of the Scotland team's feet beaten, we lost, that's not good enough. ;)

62

Ermes,

British Columbia 18/11/2007 08:59:37

So much patriotism gushing out of a defeat! Oh how I wish that Italy had lost so that Italians all over would feel this same throbbing sense of pride in their nation!

63

Joel,

Florida 18/11/2007 09:04:27

Keep politics out of sport! Like the SNP they were never good enough.

64

Phil C,

18/11/2007 09:06:45

Why are some folk on here so patronisingly miserable? Are you Scots? Where's your patriotism? If you don't like Scottish football, go do something else. If your passions are for other things, go follow them. #57 Dubai has it right for me. We should now say 'it was only a game' and move on.

Scotland were mighty close to deservedly qualifying against the giants of Euro football. Our southern brothers will sneak their way through against the minnows.

I'm proud to be a Scot. England will accept their 'superiority'. Proud and deserving? I think not.

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Swiss_christa,

Zurich,Switzerland 18/11/2007 09:07:21

Ohh no what a bad day....I was looking sooo forward to welcome all this great scottish friends and fans at the euro 08 in switzerland......it's a shame that Italy won.
The scots played very well...you all can be very proud.I do hope that the swiss team is playing with the same effort!!!

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Italian proud,

Italy 18/11/2007 09:10:45

Very good match from Scotland, you deserve to be among the first in the world very soon.
About the match:
Was the italian final free kick wrong: true
Was the Scot goal offside: true
Was the 2nd Italian goal offside: false
I agree it's hard to lose at the end of the game, though i.m.h.u. the result is fair...

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Alex R,

connecticut USA 18/11/2007 09:12:32

#42 The Boy whos Scottish , but is looking to play for Ireland plays for Hamilton.
# 56 - You talk a load of tripe
To everyone who complains about the Italians _ I have no gripe about the way the Italaians played or conducted themselves , in fact I wish them well at the Euros , Scotlands goal was not offside ( Ferguson was level), but I dont see any way the ref could call a foul on Hutton at the end , when I saw it , I was complaining that he had called a corner , after HUTTON was fouled , then I was amazed when he called a foul on Hutton.

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WatchForFun,

18/11/2007 09:21:11

I am Italian but not 100% happy of match's final result. I hoped for a 1-1 and for Scots to have a chance of qualification. Unfortunately this did not happen even if widely deserved. However, you have many reasons to be proud of your team and your supporters, which are an example to all us in Europe...in Italy especially. This does not change the result but you win for other and at least equally relevant aspects. Football is a game to enjoy not to die for.

Reply to #48 John A.: I love Rugby as well, the fair play and rules of it but PLEASE do not tell me that referees behave the same way with England big teams (e.g. England) and others like Italy. Second, do not forget that Blatter did not even come down to the ground after Worldcup final to shake hands of the Italian World champion's team. Third, PLEASE do not tell us that Italy won yesterday's match thanks to the referee! Have a look to Di Natale 32nd minute goal and Ferguson's 1-1. Sometimes episodes can change the result but you cannot win a World Cup because of them only. Let's be honest.

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Francesco the the,

Manfredonia - Italia 18/11/2007 09:24:51

Hey man,
no one of you noticed the scittish goal was on outside???
And the ref cancelled a similar regular stroke?!
Think the draw was correct but we didn't stole anything.
Bye Bye

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nearly-neurotic,

R.U.I.N.S.RefsUndueInfluenceNeedStopping!! 18/11/2007 09:33:53

PurpleNoZe NZ

Its O.K. you can come out of hiding now.

The big bad,"give a VERY wide berth"Italian supporters have come and gone and according to match commander Chief Superintendant Robin Howe, he wanted to commend BOTH sets of fans for their excellent behaviour.

So well done the Tallies on that score:-)

However,PurpleNoZe NZ,as you were true to your word and went AWOL as promised from your Strathclyde cop duties(and from these boards)now is the time to try and redeem a little bit of self respect.
Do NOT attempt to claim your "missing from action" sovereigns shilling....its the least you can do !

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Tamaz,

Glasgow 18/11/2007 09:34:13

We did lose it in Georgia not last night. Though remember how we felt when we saw the draw we would have expected 4th. We did brilliantly, the guys did well in this campaign. We are now vastly higher in the seedings so when World Cup draw comes we are less likely to get the group of death.

A heartly well done to all the players and staff of the team, they played great last night, we were playing the world champions and were not out classed, who would have expected it.

Go Scotland.

(Btw Chairman Gordon, your comments have no place here, your obviously feeble minded or just a nasty waste of good space)

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Alannah,

18/11/2007 09:39:00

Ah excellent, so the game's over now, is it? Great! Can we get on with life in Scotland now?!!

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carrottop,

Dumfries 18/11/2007 09:41:14

That was a surprise wasn't it? Scotland built up to take on the world only to come back down to earth with a bang. If you have lived long enough you will have seen this over and over again, don't blame the players but the media and public in general play it like the next Bannockburn.
Oh to be young and naive and actually watch a crucial match and expect to win?

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Allyson - ex pat! now in England,

North Yorkshire 18/11/2007 09:45:27

I don't often watch football but had to watch this & thought it was a dirty game. Scotland played better than the Italians who are meant to be world champions! Hopefully we'll get better with time & make it further. I get a lot of ribbing in England but at least they are grim so far!

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise 18/11/2007 09:47:17

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NN here here. At least we had a go and made a fist of it.

It would have been worse if we hadn't done so.

I can't help thinking how useful Pearson's running power would have been second half. Eck should have hooked McCulloch. But that said I cant blame the big man. He has done great for us - eck that is.

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise 18/11/2007 09:50:24

I am going to watch Sunday Supplement on Sky Sports 1 in ten minutes.

If any of you have never seen it before, it four journalists (normally all english) discussing the game. But if you can I advise you to watch it.

It will show why Scots despise the English media. You will see the smarminess and arrogance come over and they will have a little smile that scotland didnt make it.

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educational snob,

Edinburgh 18/11/2007 09:51:11

Remember, compared to the really important things in life - it's only a game!

(Bill Shankly was tongue-in-cheek when he said that football was "not a matter of life and death, but much more important than that." Silly rhetoric........

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Mercutio,

Falkirk 18/11/2007 09:57:57

#80 You deserve all you get then! Are you some sort of masochist?

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Allen,

Glasgow 18/11/2007 09:58:12

Firstly I would like to thank the Scottish football team for such a valient effort. They did make Italy look rather medioca.

The referee was a debacle,another ref drafted in from the outer Mongolia. Scotland were denied a blatant penalty and that free kick was nothing less than mind blower of a joke.


We really should have instant televised replay: it's the only way to give fair play to a corrupt UEFA- But they couldn't vote that through-

ITALY not in the finals: Who could let that happen? This ref was bought and sold- A man(referee) who comes from a nation of poverty were life is cheap and bought and sold daily.

Cumon- I'm absolutely gutted or the boys-but I still feel proud-they never gave up right to the end- Go on Scotland.

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Steve,

Bo'ness 18/11/2007 10:01:39

#1 Chairman Gordon, your pathetic gloating disgusts me. You clearly couldn't wait to post bigotted anti-Scottish filth on here, I really hope you're happy now.

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Mist001,

Marseille 18/11/2007 10:01:50

2-1 to Italy. You can't argue with the result.

I think Scotland played the best football in the second half, that I've seen them play in a long time and that bodes well for the future.

I walked into the pub last night, 7 minutes into the game, I looked at the TV, saw the score and declared 'Oh for f*cks sake, and the whole pub laughed!!!

I just said to them, 'Well f*ck you's. I said to them, 'Un jour, je parlez Fraincais, et un jour, je respondez vous!!

The barman even bought me a nip and a hauf!!

I'll learn French eventually and the Scotland team will get there eventually too, going by how they played last night.

Michael.

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Helen,

18/11/2007 10:07:18

Commiserations to Scotland from one of the most devoted England fans you'll ever meet. You've had a great qualifying campaign and with that kind of passion will hopefully qualify for the 2010 World Cup. To lose out at the final hurdle must be a hellish feeling. Hard lines but keep your heads up you have a lot to be proud of.

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English Bob,

Heart of England 18/11/2007 10:08:29

Hard luck chaps.

Don't worry, England won't be far behind you.

Not so bad as we need to concentrate on getting this dissolution business sorted.

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise 18/11/2007 10:08:56

82

I think being a scotland fan one has to have a certain % of masochism.

I watch it because I love the game and watch footy stuff whenever its on.

Last week I watched Rangers TV and on it was Andy Cameron's greatest Rangers 11. It read

Goram
jardine gough mckinnon greig
durrant mccall gazza baxter
laudrup and mccoist

Wee Andy reckons they's be undefeated.

I reckon this Celtic team would beat them:

Boruc
Mcgrain Clarke McNeil Gemmell
Johnstone Murdoch Auld Lennox
Henrik Sutton

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Jay Kay,

Burntisland 18/11/2007 10:09:09

Great game took the fight to the italians throughout, bad refereeing descision but great performance from the Scots, dont think England would have faired any better in this group than we have done we beat the number two team in the world twice and held our own against the number one team, surely our FIFA rankings must be imporved.

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Märiö Antoinette,

18/11/2007 10:09:12

All said and done, if macfadden hadve scored things could have been very different for the last 7 or so minutes.

Ref was wrong all over the place , not just for us...

Great Game , terrible end for us but lets keep it in perspective.

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Jay Kay,

Burntisland 18/11/2007 10:11:02

Good luck to England on Wdnesday hope it goes well for you.

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Pier Paolo,

Sardinia, Italy 18/11/2007 10:15:59

(Translated by babelfish, sorry)

I write from Italy. It has been a good match for both teams. The Scot have been fantastic, but the Italians also: they have gone to play as men, without tricks, facing the challenge to open ace. They have demonstrated of being a ‘squadra’. It has never been easy for they to exceed the Adrian Wall. Beyond that wall there was a people that the ancient romans are not never been able to defeat. It has been the first victory of Italy as a national team against Scotland in Scotland Earth, I would not want to mistake. Let us be the referee. He made some mistakes, also to damage Italians (the game could have finished 2-0 and also 1-1, but always Italy would have had the qualification in the pocket). The penalty denied does not exist. Zambrotta had the adherent arm to the body, could not have cut it. If it does not increase the arms cannot be spoken about penalty, this is the correct casuistry that is applied during judgment arbitrates, there was not will to block the ball.
The frame has been fantastic. At the Hampden Park we received a lesson regard to the civilization and to the correctness of the fans, we that a time have been exporter of discipline and civilization (and culture). The Italian commentators to the TV have spent many praises in order to praise this behavior of the supporters and of the Scot in a generalized manner, we have much to learn. Ours football is sick ( all that is around it), but in field the men go. Those of saturday have been 11 true men against 11 lions. They have not been defeated, this is sufficient. I’m proud to be Italian when that succeeds. In the difficulties Italians know to make square, know to be one square, leaving from apart the cleverness and the individualism. They succeed to make square and to tighten themselves in order to catch up a target. In this they remember indeed the roman legions. The fear makes like an adhesive, all players are to the service of each other, that’s important

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Disgrunted Ebardonian,

Edinburgh 18/11/2007 10:17:23

i propose that we should change November the 5th to the 17th and burn the cheating ref and linesman in Guy Fauckes place.

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise 18/11/2007 10:17:32

Pier

Try shorter posts....few will read your stuff mate.

Also try breaking the text up. Clear concise paragraphs work well. Try it.

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Pier Paolo,

Sardinia, Italy 18/11/2007 10:19:04

In German World Championships Italy did not have to win, someone had decided makes us to pay the scandal of the bets on soccer, Blatter for first. In semifinal Italy had honestly gained the match against Germany, in the final match had defeated Platini’s France team (an old square but rich in experience, difficult to face and to defeat - Italy has not succeeded to make it in these qualifications, but Scotland did, honor to the merit). Italy has gained the world championship against all, even against itself. Blatter has not come down in the field in order to reward the ‘azzurri’ and not even Platini, seems to me have made it Johansonn.
But Italy is therefore: able to perform miracles when all seems lost, able to find again itself and to give the best of himself, abrading the bottom of the barrel. Nobody in Scotland must be disappointed in elimination. They have been deprives of authority by the champions of the world and the vice champions of the world in a tournement of death. I think Scotland would deserve a wild card to the European Championship, it would be nice to see it in action (Once Holland had gained the European championship, In Sweden, after to have been found again at the last moment). If I was one Scottish would be proud for my team. You are struck with honour and fair-play, not only within the field. You have gained the game of the civilization. That’s all that count in the appraisal of the level of one nation. Much more than the victories in sports. Your heroism gives much more honour to our small Victory. Congratulations.

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McMillar,

Fife 18/11/2007 10:19:45

Well played to Italy and I wish them well in the finals. Nothing against them but was all rather comical towards the end and the more I see the replay of those final decisions I have to laugh/cry as it’s just sooooo blatant. The only way to voice a concern over that is by taking action.

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Pier Paolo,

Sardinia, Italy 18/11/2007 10:25:34

Thanks Timothy, I'll try (even if I'm not sure to have something else to say).

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Baby Driver,

Fife 18/11/2007 10:26:50

Have to agree with John A. Corruption is rife at the head of FIFA and EUFA and until that is sorted out we are going to be in this position for a long time. Look how John MacBeth was hounded out of FIFA for daring to challenge the corruption at it's very highest level.
Still think the Georgia result did for us.
However, think back to Ukraine away when we were hoodwinked by more dodgy refereeing and some Olympic standard diving from Schevchenko. You only have to watch the champions league matches to see how the big teams are "protected".
Well done Scotland, you did us proud.

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Märiö Antoinette,

18/11/2007 10:31:34

Just Found this... Welcome to the new surrealism - how this was given to Italy will never be known.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elz-HWuAZzg

Scotland goal was offside, Italys "second" wasn't , it may have been a penalty to scotland. Mcfadden shouldve scored and we wouldnt have been complaining today, but i cant hold it against him, not after Paris.

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Thane of Kirkcaldy,

Dancing in the Streets of Raith 18/11/2007 10:40:08

The future's bright. The future is dark blue.

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Calum Crubag,

18/11/2007 10:50:02

Italians cheat again. No surprise there.

Scotland were immense though. We should be proud of them and most neutral onlookers would agree, though Chairman Gordon, a Scot apparently, delights in what happened.

Football or not, independence is coming!

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Mike Masterton,

London 18/11/2007 10:54:52

When are the national side gonna learn & cheat like the Italian's. It was obvious that the ref & lines men were in the Italian manager's pocket.
All the bloddy hype in the paper's before hand in the week, I hate that, knowing that we might fall flat on our arses, and we did.
Craig Gordon should have had that second goal, he looked like he was s*****g himself !
And what do the paper's say this morning, "we'll get it right next time...yeah !

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Rob me blind,

18/11/2007 11:07:53

Oh dear me another also ran just like the SNP administration all hype and promise and no delivery

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Black Five,

edinburgh {cloud cuckooland) 18/11/2007 11:08:42

Let`s not mince words we were robbed by a cheating linesman.That was no free kick.It was either a free kick for us or a throw in to us.The game is currupt.The S F A should demand a reply.That linesman has been paid,no danger.

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vinnie,

Stafford 18/11/2007 11:09:01

Back to football lads. I am Italian, enjoyed each single minute of the match, from both the teams.
Scottish friends, don't be bitter about it...you did very well for yourselves. Stop with all this "Italian cheating" stupidity. You played on the pitch, you lost on the pitch. You got good and bad decisions from the referee and so did we.
Perfection is in the details, said once Michelangelo. You missed two or three evident chances and you lost the game as we did during the finals of Euro 2000 at the last minute against France. You have a fantastic future ahead, we have a glorious present now. Good luck with South Africa 2010

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Luca,

Rome 18/11/2007 11:13:10

I think Italy and Scotland both played a beautiful and thrilling match. I'm sorry for Scotland, they deserved more than third place (winning twice against France!). Anyway, you guys should be proud of what your soccer team has done so far. And as Italian, I want to thank all Scottish people for the impressive fair-play shown at Hampden Park. Really, each time I see Scottish supporters, the way they show respect to others, the way they put passion for their teams, be it Rugby, or soccer...each time I think I wish I was Scottish ;)

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giancarlo Migliori,

italy 18/11/2007 11:23:35

My dear scottish friends,
thanks for a wonderful example of football passion and sporting behaviour!
However, when I read the papers reports I object: true the free-kick decision on 90th was wrong but do bnot forget Our 1st Goal was onside, so unjustly annulled and Your 1st Goal was offside, so unjustly validated !
That should redress the actual history, not so unfair between true history and results of last night's emotional sporting event!
Soory to see Scotalnd go out, you are unbeaten in your example of sportmanship.
Giancarlo Migliori

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Patrick O'Shaunnessy,

18/11/2007 11:26:56

I was a bit bitter about it when I posted last night and I will never understand what might possibly explain that free kick Italy were awarded at the end.

Nevertheless, we gave the first goal away, on almost any other day that Italian goal would have stood, and our goal looked suspiciously off-side.

McFadden missed a golden chance to put us 2v1 up , and even if the free kick was a nonsense, we should have defended it better.

So all in all , I don't have any complaints...Italy were worth their win , even though our players gave everything. I think this team will get better, and for the first time in a long time, the future for Scottish international football looks bright.

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Hotel Yorba,

Glasgow 18/11/2007 11:33:57

No 59 - So its ok, Scotland got beat then !. I read the bile you posted yesterday which was totally against the spirit of the day. I hope you are now contended, but I doubt if you hold the same sentiments for Engurland.

Congrats Azzurri, c'mon Croatia !

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Shetlander,

18/11/2007 11:35:13

Great result for England with the Ruskies losing last night.
Got to laugh about Scottish football though, useless as always like those Central Belt politicians.

C'mon England.....Shetland supports you!

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Rabhairt,

Australia 18/11/2007 11:45:56

no 111, Shetlander, why don't you find a large cliff and do yourself a favour and JUMP OFF, AIRSON ALBA.

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Not Me,

....same as it ever was..... 18/11/2007 11:49:07

Well,

That was about as big a boot in the baws as ever there was.

That said - that that doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

That should be what we take from the game and the whole campaign.

Would I perhaps have changed things last night - only a couple but whats the point.

Timothy

Not sure about your best 11 stuff - don't you think the Rangers would win anyway - afterall remember the refs do have quite an important say......just a wee joke buddy.

Chairman Gordon

What on earth is your point - you seem to be the main guy on here ranting about politics......

and to a song moment - I GET KNOCKED DOWN - BUT I GET UP AGAIN.....

and so we march on with 2 of the most exciting talents in the British game in Hutton and Brown.

hold your heads high boys (all of you).

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apple tree,

18/11/2007 12:07:20

we deserved to win but scotland has improved a lot in the last few years.i'm quite surprised by some scottish fans who forgot about the controversial decisions.it could have been 2-0 had the goal not been disallowed,i must admit as well that chiellini commited the foul

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Sagal,

Italy 18/11/2007 12:12:47

Great TA, sure you are the best. Sorry for the you, but Italy is the world champion and you are played a really great match. Good luck Scotland forever.

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Conan the Librarian™,

18/11/2007 12:18:34

So it's back to supporting the Republic of "Anyonebutenglandia" for a wee while.:-(

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italyforever,

18/11/2007 12:19:39

GO ITALY GO.
WE ARE THE WORLD CHAMPIONS AND WE DESTROYED YESTERDAY THE POOR SCOTLAND.
I LOVE ITALY
I LOVE THIS GAME
I LOVE WIN
CHAMPIONS OF THE WORLD FOREVER
THE HISTORY NEVER DIE
WHEN FABIO CANNAVARO HAD THE WORLDCUP IN HIS HANDS I CRIED BECAUSE THE DREAM OF MY LIFE WAS COMPLETE.
GOOD LUCK SCOTLAND BUT FORZA ITALIA,FORZA AZZURRI

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Lennox11,

Coatbridge 18/11/2007 12:19:58

We r not going to France for one reason, the management team, who have done agreat job, made crucial mistakes at vital times, 1. Wrong team wrong tactics in Georgia, 2 Wrong team wrong tactics yesterday, McFadden up front on his own was ridiculous, & I dot blame McFadden, the substitution of Brown when he & Hutton where running the Italians ragged was a crucial elelment yeaterday as we lost our momenum for 5/10 minutes at a pointthe game when the next goal would be the last, great times great adventure same old ending.

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fifestyle,

the kingdom 18/11/2007 12:27:04

For once the cheating Italians have been overshadowed by the corrupt officials.
We should not forget the extent to which the Italian team routinely reacted in superman-like flight and gymnastic rolling to innocuous tackles. Had we had the benefit of video-evidence during the match - apart from the ridiculous free kick at the end - the Italians would have had several less men on the pitch and the game would have been very, very different.

I'm not sure what we can do about it, but we, as a nation, should use this event to back the efforts to eradicate cheating from the most popular sport in the world.

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Erik Huurman,

The Netherlands 18/11/2007 12:27:09

A good match to see last night, I was hoping for Scotland that they where the winners of the match. It would have been nice to welcome the Scottish National Team to the European Championship. Anyway they gave them hell, the Itallians had to fight for it and there was some bad luck aswell for Scotland.

Holland just came across with 1-0 against Luxembourg, will see what will bring this for us.

I'm sure that Scotland will return the next time in full force.

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fifestyle,

the kingdom 18/11/2007 12:28:48

Oh - and fingers crossed for Northern Ireland :)

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Paddi,

18/11/2007 12:30:00

There was a massive amount of over confidence by Scotland prior to the game. Yes, beaten France home and away, but beaten in Italy too. Listen to the commentators, newspapers & the man in the street prior to the game and all Scotland had to do was turn up!

Had any of the other home nations showed as much hubris as Scotland, they would have be branded "arrogant" so where's the difference? Scotland were beaten by the better side on a night when both teams suffered from dodgy refereeing decisions

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McGinty,

18/11/2007 12:40:55

So back to school. Are we finally going to put money and time into playing fields, stop selling off parks to private developers, equipment for schools, health education, curricular and extra-curricular football-coaching in schools and colleges, maybe even using delapidated stately homes and redundant hospitals and institutions to convert into training facilities as Celtic have done and persuading some of our retiring highly paid professionals to put something back into the game and work with children and young people in schools and the private sector rather than abandoning the game altogether for lucrative careers elsewhere.

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cruiseship,

Bay of Biscay 18/11/2007 12:48:33

Another glorious defeat from the Brave (No Weak) Hearts. Pathetic losers once again it has to be said.
I have a dream - that scotland once qualified, let alone qualified then got thru the initial group once at a tournement!!

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Steve Evans,

Malta 18/11/2007 13:05:24

Time to listen to the Electric Light Orchestras, "Its Over."

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dundee8cologne1,

dundonia 18/11/2007 13:05:59

#122 Paddi - you miss the point. It was win or bust so people had nothing to lose from talking it up. A draw gave us a faint chance, yes but a win and its all over, we qualify. Dont take the media bullsh*t to sell papers as the way that Scots fans were thinking. We were well aware we were playinga good quality team that have always found a way to get a result against us in the past. I'll take nothing away from Italy, when we equalised they could have lost their shape and lost the game , instead the found a way to win it.

I just hope we never get another brutal qualifiying section like this for a long time!

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Pinelands,

PINELANDS. Where the heart is 18/11/2007 13:09:08

KUNG HALF FU ######EVERY OTHER NUMBER I THINK

You can always pick out the posters guys that suffer from the egoism stakes

The only ones of importance on the board

The man who can say no wrong.

The man who complains that its twice Dueronomy as been on the board.

Well just one word from Dueronomy make more sense than all your posters put together.

The only little snipe you have then is to comment on a spelling error , which we all make at some time and its usually quoted when someone is losing the argument.

We appreciate you went thro a double horror last night Scotland losing then Israel winning, life just not fair is it Kung

All you have to hope for now, is for England to win, you will be hoping for England to win won't you

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18/11/2007 13:09:31
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pippo64,

Rome 18/11/2007 13:09:59

Dear Scots,
ok let's bring video evidence into the game. Video from yesterday shows:
1) One regular goal disallowed for Italy.
2) Scot goal clearly offside.
Two CRUCIAL decisions involving goals, not a free kick close to the corner but a TWO GOALS difference in this game.
Let's bring videos from Korea 2002.
1) Totti fouled in the penalty box and sent off for diving against Korea.
2) Vieri goal disallowed for offside: but he was BEHIND the ball when pass left teammate's foot, so according to football rules NEVER could have been offside. We did not make the rules.
3) Tommasi goal wrongly disallowed for offside: would have been golden goal against Korea (host nation). Italy was down to 10 men already and blatantly robbed.
Let's bring videos from Germany 2006.
1) Toni scored in the final : disallowed for offside but he was onside. DeRossi was offside but not influent. Would have been 2-1 and no extra time.
2) Penalty for France in the final? Not there.
So stop the nonsense: if you had not missed your chances you could have won, or not. But you missed them, you had a TWO goal advantage graciously given by the referee and you were finally and justly kicked out. End of story. See you in 2010.

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HMFC,

18/11/2007 13:16:40

For a second yesterday I almost cared.

Then I saw the Fartan Army and very quickly remembered why I couldn't give a flying ****.

Good to hear "The Dirge of Scotland" being sang full tilt.

Makes you proud - not!

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Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 18/11/2007 13:17:03

#93...... You my friend are a complete bore! So p*** off.

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busbyfh,

18/11/2007 13:17:41

Totally agree with posts that Hutton was brilliant.
Totally disagree with the posts that Brown was. Rarely have I seen a player give away so many needless free kicks. He is a fine player but intellegent he is not - yesterday proved that - Count the fouls he gave away.

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alanmaddox,

wirral england 18/11/2007 13:20:25

One of the disturbing knock-on's of this business is that the BBC didn't have enough resources to televise live the match and I was unable to see it,just as I was not able to see England v Austria the night before.
I will not pay for Sky which is extortionate on top of the TVLicence fee,and it also has commercial breaks,and I think it a disgrace that the national television broadcasting authority cannot show our national teams live.
They have a duty and responsibility in that regard and should be stripped of their status.

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pone300,

18/11/2007 13:21:57

Great game, great experience. The usual 'what ifs' but what counts is the goals that are scored and allowed. Italy won, Scotland have had a great campaign. Well done to both teams.

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scottish person,

paisley 18/11/2007 13:29:50

If I am correct Barry Ferguson;s goal was not offside. Did it not come back to him off the Italian keeper?
I would also like to thank the Italians who posted kind words earlier on, and lets just ignore the usual arsehole brigade from south of our glorious border.

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FFF,

18/11/2007 13:34:52

'Pathetic Losers' #124???

...'Hand of God' moanmoanmoan. Sol Cambells goal moanmoanmoan....Get a grip. What is it about ingerlund fans that make me want to boak?

Could it be the way they pour out of the pub and start rioting when they get hoofed out on penalties.

Could it be the way they all start flying little cheap plastic ingerlund flags from their car aerials. (how tacky IS that btw)

Could it be the way they start crowing about winning tournaments after they beat some little nation like San Marino by a couple of goals....what was the slogan last time ...'Believe'. ...Mmm! Where have I heard THAT stupid slogan before.

Seen the Fifa rankings lately? Mighty Ingerlund out of the top 10 and only 2 places above wee Scotland. How embarrassing for you.

Sincerely hope you qualify. We'll be needing something to laugh at as your hoard of shirtless, fat, bald/shaven headed tattooed Neanderthals invade Europe, intent on humiliating themselves once again before the eyes of the world.

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Italian proud,

Rome, Italy 18/11/2007 13:44:00

It's the same old story...
Dear Scot friends, don't even take into considerations how english fans provoke you.
You showed the whole world how proud, professional, fair you can be.
Guess what? Next game Scotland vs England 4-0.
Honour to you all, Scots!

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dundee8cologne1,

dundonia 18/11/2007 13:51:52

#137 Lofty - he was off-side when the original shot was made and was first player to the ball when it came back, so immediately became 'active' as I think the rules state. It happened so quickly I'm not surprised that the linesman missed it (compare to a bizarre 'offside' awarded earlier when McFadden was about 3 yards on!).

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FFF,

18/11/2007 13:54:35

Grazie per i suoi parole gentile #139. Ci sono molti cretini inglese qui vicino oggi, ma anche Scozzesi e Italiani.
Era una buona giocca. ....Al prossimo tempo amico!

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Fitzroy Fitzgerald,

The Borders 18/11/2007 13:57:43

Well done lads, you all played well in what was an entertaining game but, alas, it was not to be.

#128 Pinelands

Totally agree with your comments about the idiot who posts under the name Kung-Half-Fu. The man/woman is a foul-mouthed idiot who can only cope with anyone who has a different viewpoint to his/hers by responding in an abusive manner. He is a total disgrace to Scotland and to the political party he claims to support.

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Fiddler's Ferry,

Scalloway, Shetland 18/11/2007 13:58:55

I smell an Englishman at #111. The pubs were full to bursting up here last night, watching the game and everyone was disappointed by the result. Never mind.

I wonder why Shetland features so prominantly on the English radar these days. Is it perhaps we've got something they really, desparately, really need? :-)

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fifestyle,

the kingdom 18/11/2007 14:02:16

hmm. won't rise to the bait of the trolls.
italy's offside goal was a handball, not offside.
and scotland's goal - ferguson was in line with defenders when the ball was played.
AND scotland had a valid claim for a penalty...

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Italian proud,

Rome, Italy 18/11/2007 14:09:09

#144 Dude, get new glasses and a new rulebook...

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fifestyle,

the kingdom 18/11/2007 14:22:43

#146 - my point is that the game should be as fair as possible.
The technology is there to make that happen. Would put an end to the whingeing of either side when this kinda nonsense happens.

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Thenewyorker,

NYNY 18/11/2007 14:35:34

What game did you people watch yesterday??
the Scotts played an OK game but the Italians where better and no they did not cheated and yes the ref sucked for both

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Ross Fyffe,

Scotland 18/11/2007 14:43:20

I say use the technology, but then the problem would be no aftergame disection of bad decisions only of bad play ............ bottom line if Scotland scored more goals than any corrupt refferee could counter then no problem

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Jambo-ree,

18/11/2007 14:56:31

Leaving aside bad calls by the officials, the main reason we failed to qualify IMHO was the result against Georgia in the previous game. Coming on the back of the excellent win against Ukraine that was the real scunner - and to bunch of teenagers too!

Having said that I thought the team played really well yesterday and gave an excellent performance. So, we didn't qualify, but we did a whole lot better than most thought possible when the draw was made and leave the tournament with our pride regained, a squad that can be built on for the future and our reputation and world standing enhanced.

Bring on the World Cup draw!

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Broddr,

Dunfermline 18/11/2007 15:52:04

Watched the match and the Scots should have won. The second half was all Scotland and that "free kick" in the last minutes was one of the worst decisions I have ever seen.

We can argue about goals that were given and goals that were not but at the end of the day the decision on the night counts and there is nothing anyone can do to change that.

Every team gets dodgy decisions against them and dodgy decisions for them at some point. You just gotta take it.

I was going to leave a more sympathetic post explaining how, as an Englishman, I was sorry for a Scots team who should be present at Austria-Switzerland next year, given their amazing run of results.

But, having read all the racists comments about England I have now changed my mind about just how sympathetic and sorry I feel.

I spent 18 years of my life supporting all British teams in international competitions. As an Englishman, England came first obviously and I don't think anyone can say that I am wrong to support my own national team, but if England were not involved I would have happily supported Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.

Then I moved to Scotland and realised just how racist most Scots are and Scotland got scratched off the list.

Yesterday I got swept up in the fervour and I really, really did want Scotland to progress.
Once it was over the English bashing began. The TV gets switched over and everyone around begins cheering Russia.

I said to my Scottish friends and relatives that I wanted Scotland to progress because I really thought Russia would hammer Israel and England didn't stand a chance of qualification and I would like one British team to participate.

It seems most Scots are stuck in this braveheart, freedom from oppression crap that they are unable to feel the same way.

I can see the problems Scots have with Westminster and the history of the union etc. etc. and I understand it.

Wha

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SouthernLady,

Louisiana, USA 18/11/2007 15:54:08

Has no one noticed that never was the word "Deuteronomy" been correctly in all of this bantering about nicknames or monikers?
Good luck, Scotland, on future games.....well played.

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SouthernLady,

Louisiana, USA 18/11/2007 15:55:45

Sorry, in my urgency to get this posted before tomorrow, LOL, I left out the word "spelled"....as in has no one noticed that never was the word "Deuteronomy" been correctly SPELLED........
NOW, who is the dunce? Me!

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Lomu,

18/11/2007 15:59:30

Hallo !!

Italy

4 times World Champions
(2 times second)

1 Time European Champion

5 times U 21 European Championship

Italians teams:

11 times Champions league winners

8 times Uefa Cup winners

Is it enough ?

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Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 18/11/2007 16:02:47

The linesman's decisions were suspect but it looked to me that the "second" Italian goal was not offside and Ferguson's one probably was. The final awarding of the free kick to Italy when Hutton was playing the ball and turning to kick it only to be rammed by the Italian player was bizarre. But by then there had been many strange calls by the refs.

The Scottish team had an exceptional campaign but the way the draw was made for the tournament before the conclusion of the last World Cup Finals resulted in the absurd combination of 3 of the top 8 clubs in the whole world cup finals, including nos.1 & 2, being grouped together in Scotland's group meant a mountain to climb. we almost got there. Our new world rankings ensure we will not be in a group of death again, surely.

Another thing that has cost us the final stages is that Switzerland and Austria both get bye status to the tournament, where a single nation host would have meant the best third place would have got in. In all likelihood this might have been Scotland. The last games haven't been played so not certain.

The real benefit is Scotland is now a pot 2 seeded team, which must mean with our current, youthful side we stand a good chance of progressing to the World Cup finals in South Africa.Next week we will know who he face.

We have to pick ourselves up dust ourselves down and start all over again. Indeed the qualifying stages are as much a tournament as the final itself. This will be a tournament which will stay long in the memory of Scottish football fans. We have hardworking and effective team to be proud of, who have earned respect throughout Europe.

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pwd,

Borders 18/11/2007 16:15:27

A very creditable performance by Scotland and one to generate a bit of pride. Until the WC England will carry British hopes. Good luck England!

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mick3,

USA 18/11/2007 16:33:11

It's a game, folks. Try a little perspective, and you might feel better. It's merely grown men moving a ball around and getting paid for it.

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Kung-Half-Fu,

Cathay Vitriolic 18/11/2007 16:44:50

#128. Pinelands

You waited until post 128 to say ... what exactly? Snivelling on behalf of some snivelling little snotter. Poor show.

#142. Fitzroy Fitzgerald

Another viper in the bushes. "He is a total disgrace to Scotland and to the political party he claims to support." Awestruck. I have never anywhere given my support to a political party here or anywhere on these boards. So apart from your telling me I'm a total disgrace to Scotland (according to your lofty standards), at least get your facts right. You don't know my politics but yours, like Mr High-and-Mighty #128, are all too clear.

Reminder to both: This forum is about a football match. It's a pity that plants such as Chairman Gordon - and you two - twist anything to make political capital. Now get out of my face.

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Barry K.,

California 18/11/2007 17:10:22

We've come a long ways guys from the Berti Vogts days but with that said, if we had beaten Georgia in Georgia and/or the Ukraine game, yesterdays result would have been less relevent. You can't lose 4 games in a group like that and expect to go through.

The Hutton last minute foul call is the worst call I've ever seen. Hands down. Can you imagine the horror if the rolls had been reversed and it was an Italian that was sent flying with the call going against him? First of all he would have taken 10 minutes before he got up after rolling on the ground in shear 'Pain', and then the over acting of horror when he eventually did stand up. Compare that to Hutton who just got on with it shows the difference in the two teams character.

Still proud to be Scottish but if only............

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tatties n, neeps,

in the mix 18/11/2007 17:18:00

my god our national football team almost qualified for a tournament, and ater getting floored by little georgia got up off the canvas to almost draw at home to mighty italy , so used to being no hopers it smells almost like victory , pathetic.

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Tiree,

BC Canada 18/11/2007 17:26:17

A great effort by the Scottish team and a bit unlucky not to get, at least, a draw.

Both teams played great in an exciting and entertaining match. I'm sorry to see Scotland bow out but wish the Italians well in the World Cup. Hopefully Scotland will get there next time.

As a comment about soccer, in general:
Something has to be done about the continual shirt pulling, diving and other theatrics that occur at every level. The blatant fouling inside the penalty area is a farce that also needs to be dealt with before this game can rise to a level of fair play as a sport.

Thanks for the effort Scotland, you did us proud!

Tiree

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Pinelands,

PINELANDS. Where the heart is 18/11/2007 17:49:49

159 KUNG HALF FU

Sorry I took so long coming on at 128 did not realize that I required your personal number to come on.

I see #142 fitzroy fitzgerald is in trouble for agreeing with my findings. please do not have him erased from the board.

I dont know what got into him, forgive him this time please, I promise we will have words with him.

Fitzroy no more disagreeing with old King Kung.


I see you are on another board we really cannot stop you can we .

The editors rulings are no swearing etc

He should add tripe that would get rid of you once and for all

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marco76,

milan 18/11/2007 18:20:17

Scottish you have to be proud. Your team have played very well and for Itlay has been very difficul to win.
I'm disappointed about france's team qualification. You beats France two times and you merite to go to Euro 2008.

But i don't undertand the claims about the referee's decisions:

your score was in offside and our second score wasn't in offside but has been annulled.... Someone saw the replay?

hi, marco

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gianni wcw,

springfield mass 18/11/2007 18:22:27

107 SHUT UP!!!

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Kung-Half-Fu,

Cathay Vitriolic 18/11/2007 18:25:22

#165. Whinelands

You are like the proverbial bad penny. Now, if you have finished slagging me off, may I read these pages without tripping over any more of your censorious drivel?

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Geoff,

SA 18/11/2007 18:38:23

First was a really 'soft' goal-could have happened to any team in nerves of first few minutes. Thereafter, lots of missed opportunities. The cast of the dice is pretty random at this level of competition. Scotland should be proud of their efforts against the World champs.

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Not Me,

...and coming up on the rails.... 18/11/2007 18:41:01

_John-

Good to see confirmation from your goodself that today of all days you are a one trick pony......

Your views from now on will be regarded by many and certainly by me as one who doth protest too much.....

I think its your own frailties that you expose.

Song moment - Leaving on a jet plane - how was Madrid btw?

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Fan83,

Toronto canada 18/11/2007 19:33:18

I was a great game. However I think Italy should have won that game. italy's dissallowed goal was a perfectly good goal. Scotland's goal was clearly offside. Bad refereeing tainted a perfectly good game.

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Sid & Doris Bonkers,

In the real world 18/11/2007 19:37:14

glorious failure again!! the reason we are not top of the group is because of the defeat in Georgia,Ferguson Hutton [injured]and McCulloch not playing but being able to play 3 days later against Celtic. Ferguson was not offside when he scored as the ball came off the goalkeeper,the Italian goal was chalked off for handball,I hold McLeish,Watson and Aitken responsible putting Boyd on after they scored in the 92nd minute the guy who scores goals for fun,Fletcher cant get a game for MU and David Weir [38] to blame for the TWO goals.

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Sambo,

The deep south 18/11/2007 19:43:35

Scotland, get over it.
You have more problems to deal with other than "fitba".
Football is good in that it detracts the average worker from reality.
Abdul Nasser recognized this in the 1950's where he built football stadiums to keep the populace entertained and docile.

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Pilrig.,

Livingston 18/11/2007 19:47:24

172 - spot on, the damage was done in Georgia.
Anyway, 'mon the Croatians !

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loonie Tunes,

Canada 18/11/2007 20:20:24

Is this board about football or political crap, first and last time here.

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tatties n, neeps,

in the mix 18/11/2007 21:12:27

#174 here we go - only one thing more important than scottish success english failure no wonder we are bottom of the pile.

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uncle bulgaria,

18/11/2007 21:20:53

Watched the game cold on a replay last night here in NZ.

Truth is we could easily have lost 3 nil.

Yes their second was never a foul, but the ref gave it and only Panucci jumped....goal.

Nice half hour spell though, Italians were rocked.

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Who cares ?,

18/11/2007 21:32:27

#173
Beer works better.

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Giuseppe,

sicily 18/11/2007 22:32:26

Dear scots,
I'm Italian, so, sorry if my English is nor perfect.
I just want to tell you how fantastic your supporters were, what a great lesson you taught to the Italians, This is how sport should be. We, Italians, have a lot to learn form you. Drinking and cheering together, WOW!! If you were here some fascist would have thrown a bottle on you. And I feel ashamed for that.

Second of all. Your team played a good soccer. Scotland is one of the most undervalued team in Europe...while England is the most overvalued one.
You taught to your bad English cousins how to play soccer. If it wasn't for the surprising and unexpected victory of Israel vs Russia, they would have been out.

Please, guys, don't say that we didn't deserve to win or that we cheated. Everyone took the example of the World Cup 2006 match vs Australia. Gays, we played that game without a player, materazzi got a red card in that match. Also, we unfailry lost vs South Corea in the previous Wolrd Cup, cause the referee was Moreno, who was after expelled by he Fifa for "selling games". And sure, your goal was in offside, and we should have got the second goal.
It was a tough match. A real fight. We are probably better in soccer, as you are better in rugby.

Anyway, great match guys! Unfortunately, our victory qualified the Frenchs. That's sad, cause you beat them twice. In Scotland, and, above all, in their home land, Stade de france,. Wow!! that was fantastic!!!!
Congratulations! And I know this is probably too banale and obvious to say, but I'm sure that this is a great beginning for your national team.

AND SURE, YOU GAVE US BAD TIME, WE FEARED YOUR GAME, AND WE REALLY HOPE TO NEVER MEET YOU AGAIN IN A QUALIFICATION GROUP!:)

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Neil R,

Falkirk 18/11/2007 23:22:18

This was always going to happen.

I had to stop watching Italy during the world cup. Not only was their diving pathetic but it was so predictable. Then the officials started getting in on the act - they are overawed by the big names and the shirt. If you were to go through Italy's recent history and reverse all the wrong decisions made in their favour, how good would they really be?

I don't think the old "decisions even themselves out" argument works over a campaign, never mind one game. Who really believes Scotland came out even in that game? Handball against Materazzi - penalty. Our goal was probably offside but who sees them given - the linesman is not superhuman. Their goal was handball, not offside. So I make that 1-1. Oh did I forget a certain "foul"? Italy should be humiliated at needing such blatant assistance from the officials.

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Kung-Half-Fu,

Cathay Antiseptic 18/11/2007 23:28:19

#179. Giuseppe, sicily

Thanks for your balanced observations. It was a tough game, 50/50 overall I'd say, but some of the refereeing decisions were questionable. Nothing unusual there.

However, the linesman's bizarre call at the end was the worst, most blatantly wrong, decision I or most football supporters have ever seen, and he should be roasted on an open fire for it. The TV evidence is irrefutably damning and Uefa needs to look into incidences like this which turn a game from well-earned satisfaction into disaster for one team. I doubt that they will, though.

Anyway, we (Scotland) live to fight another day. We are well used to struggling against the odds, and you can be sure that we will give our best in the future. We have a young team with fire in its belly - something that has been missing for a long time.

Arriverderci.

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Wee Pal Joe,

18/11/2007 23:43:22

"the reason we are not top of the group is because of the defeat in Georgia,Ferguson Hutton [injured]and McCulloch not playing but being able to play 3 days later against Celtic" (172)

You're getting in a bit of a muddle there. Ferguson played in Georgia and McCulloch was suspended.

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Ross Fyffe,

Scotland 18/11/2007 23:54:00

I just discovered that if Scotalnd won every game they played there would be nothing to talk about on Monday

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jerrymanders,

19/11/2007 00:36:16

#179

Kind words indeed. Thank you. Anyway, what about the blatant hand ball.......?

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Giuseppe,

sicily 19/11/2007 00:54:07

Kung-Half-Fu,
yes, you are right, the linesman call for freekick at the end was unfair. But then, it would still be 1-1. And Scotland wouldn't make it anyway. Also, if you talks with "if" and "if", then it should have been 0-2 at the first 10 minutes.

Neil,
you had to stop watching Italy during the world cup. because of their diving pathetic and cause we were so predictable. First of all, everyone dive. If you pay attention on the Materazzi fault, penalty kick for France, scored by Zidane, at the final world cup match, you'll notice that it was not fault, it was an unfair decision. Were we predictable? Ask the Germans. We played a great match vs them. I mean, Scotland was not really original eiher in their game. I'm not saying we, Italy, play the best soccer in the world, but we have a good defence, good tactic. You don't like it? who cares, but it is soccer anyway. It's a part of the game.
I just don't like when someone should always carring those stupid stereotypes about Italians, or blame always someone when your own team loses...

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Giuseppe,

sicily 19/11/2007 00:58:49

Also, the handball of Zambrotta, was not penalty kick. It's a soccer rule: when you have the hand attached to your body, while touching the ball, it's not penalty. Even your Scottish paper agree with this. So, find another excuse. Please....

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Giuseppe,

sicily 19/11/2007 00:59:56

Or, yeah, sure, maybe Zambrotta should had cut his arm to avoid touching that ball....

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Tiree,

Vancouver,BC 19/11/2007 02:40:24

152. Broddr, Dunfermline

Good comments Broddr.

Don't take the comments of a few ignorant Scotsmen as the pulse of the nation. You get that ignorant fringe in every country. And, like any other nation, most of the Scottish people are the most kind hearted and generous in the world - they might be frugal but they're not mean.

These minorities never seem to get it, that they, themselves, help foster the continuous problems that cause hatred, bigotry and intolerance, violence and war.

They don't use their intelligence to realize that they have no control of either where they were born, to which parents, or to their sex, or the color of their skin.

They don't seem to realize that when they slag others they belittle themselves. You can bet they are unhappy people. If they act that way on a newspaper Forum you can be sure that they are intolerant in their own community and to their own families and friends.

They cause sectarian violence and start arguments without the least provocation. They are to be pitied rather than hated; for again I repeat, they are an unhappy lot. Time and age usually provide a degree of wisdom - at least I hope so for the continuation of the human race. I feel for them, because I've been there, done that - I'm no better!

All of us seem to have two personalities within ourselves. One that reaches out with awe and astonishment at the beauty of a helpless newborn child; and another that is capable of flying into a rage over incidences that are trivial and insignificant in the scheme of things.

This reply to your post is hardly about Scotland and Italy, as it should be, but I believe your post deserves a serious answer; especially after the pitiful rubbish and hatred that flows so easily from people who don't yet realize how foolish they sound.

I'm getting on in years but I remember a comment that was made from a friend a few years older than myself who was waiting to die:

He said: "

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Paul,

19/11/2007 03:00:34

It is is sad to see so many bad losers posting here. It does Scotland no good.

We should learn form the way the English rugby team and nation handled defeat, and that was in a final.

Of course we're gutted but it is only a game and we should be magnaminous in defeat not a bunch of sour faces.

Good luck to Italy and France in the next stages.

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Dabulamanzi,

19/11/2007 05:43:51

151 A sad and lonely bigot. There but for the grace of God go I. I hope you don't breed ya sick, pathetic w****r. If you don't like "bigoted" Scotland feck off somewhere else and stop polluting the country.

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livilion,

livingston 19/11/2007 10:45:51

193. Chairman Gordon, UK
Pot kettle black
Go on make that well known sentence

You wanted Scotland beaten to get one in the eye for Alex Salmond, now how pathetic are you.

You and a few sour faced individuals were the only ones in Scotland who didn't get to enjoy the occasion.
Your loss pal and no sympathy from me.

For the record, if you can't fathom what patriotism has got to do with supporting your national team then really your comments should be filed under 'ignore'.

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LAURENT 777,

lolo 19/11/2007 15:07:18

c est la vie

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Rory the Celt,

London 19/11/2007 21:03:46

Well played Scotland. You gave it your best shot but it wasn't good enough. You had to win to qualify and frankly that nearly always looked a bit beyond you. But you probably deserved a draw. Still, think of all the money you will have saved on those postcards you would have to send back from Austria/Swiz next year ... I mean being back before the postcards if, as down the years, you failed to get beyond the group stage!
However, roll on the World Cup qualifiers: I'm looking forward to a group containing England, Scotland and Ireland (under Terry Venables or Gerald Houllier) ... now that would be interesting!
Slainte
Rory

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English Bob,

21/11/2007 22:18:09

Knew it - England out.

Now down to business.


 

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