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End Trump resort row for sake of economy, say business chiefs



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Published Date: 16 March 2008
TYCOON Donald Trump has won unprecedented backing among Scotland's business leaders for his controversial Aberdeenshire golf course development.
Six major business organisations have issued a joint statement supporting the American's project, after expressing fears that failure to secure approval would warn off foreign investors from Scotland.

Their intervention follows a bitter row over the development, which culminated last week in First Minister Alex Salmond being accused of a "cavalier" approach to the Trump deal.

Salmond met Trump's representatives last year after their multi-million pound plan had been rejected by Aberdeenshire Council's infrastructure committee. Ministers called in the application and have handed it over for further consideration to a full public inquiry.

The business chiefs said they have joined together to back the plans in an attempt to show that Scotland was open for business, and to call for the plans to get a quick approval.

They represent the British and Scottish Chambers of Commerce, the Confederation of British Industry, the Scottish Council for Development and Industry (SCDI), the Federation of Small Businesses and the Institute of Directors (IoD).

Trump plans to build two championship golf courses, a five-star hotel, a golf academy, almost 1,000 holiday homes and 500 private houses.

Opponents of the scheme say the courses would destroy one of the most spectacular stretches of untouched coastline in the country. There are also claims the plan is a smokescreen to hide a housing development that would hand Trump a vast profit.

But the business chiefs said Scotland should back the proposal. David Lonsdale, assistant director of the CBI, said: "We have consistently argued that Scotland's planning system ought to give far greater weight to the economic benefits of development."

SCDI manager Ian Armstrong said: "The proposed development at Menie Estate by the Trump organisation can be a significant economic driver."

Opposition to the scheme has included environmental groups, such as RSPB Scotland, and local residents, who claim it would have a major impact on wildlife.

Debra Storr, a local Lib Dem councillor, said: "It isn't the case that every business person wants this. Their objections are on public record."

Meanwhile, Alex Salmond has hit back at claims he broke the ministerial code of conduct.

He is the local MSP in the region and claimed he had a "bounden duty" to meet Trump's representatives last year after their plans were rejected.

But Holyrood's local government committee concluded he had shown "exceptionally poor judgment" in getting involved.

Scotland On Sunday Comment

Much emotional nonsense has been said about Donald Trump's £1bn plan. If you believed some, you would think we were witnessing a rerun of Local Hero, with plucky Scots up against a brash American multi-millionaire.

This newspaper understands the concerns of those who believe the Menie sands should be left undisturbed, and we share some suspicions that the golf course could be a Trojan horse for property development that could follow. However, having listened to both sides of the argument, we believe that Scotland should welcome the financial injection the development will bring. Politics must be taken out of this project. Planners must take cognisance of the economic benefits and arrive at the sensible conclusion – that it is right to create a magnificent golf course which feeds the economy and is sensitive to the environment.

The full article contains 560 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 15 March 2008 7:12 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Donald Trump
 
1

Why Are 400,000 Leaving The UK Each Year ?,

15/03/2008 23:35:35
Pyjama People Posters....

Come out, come out wherever you are ;-).

Any chance of a decent debate or is it business as usual ?
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16/03/2008 00:26:24
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The Strategist,

16/03/2008 00:32:43
The SoS is right to back this proposal but if you'd read the Scotsman's highly biased editorials berating the First Minister last week you'd assume that they were wholly opposed to the whole idea.
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16/03/2008 00:35:53
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Juan Kerr.. :-),

16/03/2008 00:41:49
"End Trump resort row for sake of economy, say business chiefs"

That's one way to say Labour stop damaging Scotland for chea pand short term gain.

The Whole Trump/ Sepagate fiasco highlights why companies are easier placed to move abroad. The amount of state sponsored nimbies is beyond a joke.
6

Juan Kerr.. :-),

16/03/2008 00:42:33
Why Are 400,000 Leaving The UK Each Year ?

Soon to be another 5 million when we say tara.
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16/03/2008 00:46:45
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subrosa,

16/03/2008 00:51:31
I just wonder if Nicol Stephen knew what he was starting accusing Alex Salmond of sleaze.
9

Matt there,

somewhere 16/03/2008 01:28:13
Of COURSE the business community is in favour of the idea! They can see Pound signs and are desperate to get a piece of the action! Wreck the environment? Who cares! Those that make the money can move somewhere else, and Donald Trump has dozens of unspoilt places he can enjoy.
10

Scotish Natoinilist Perty Suportar,

16/03/2008 02:11:37
Alex Salmond did exactly the right think, can you HONESTLY belief that NuLiebore (haha) would have mae a golf course on top of sand dunes?

I thought that SNP did a good thing because how can we play golf in Scotland? Where are all the courses?

Tell me that Tony Brown (haha).

Scotland is proud of Golf, not of Nuklee-ar bombs. (haha)

Game set and match to the SNP.
11

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 16/03/2008 02:38:23
For 'Gods Sake'..Scotland!
What is it, with this Guy,?

"Trump" him of to where he belongs!

The word..'NO'..comes to mind!
'End Off!
12

Canada,

Canada 16/03/2008 02:38:53
Scotland: a desert or a Celtic lion? Trumpet!
13

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 16/03/2008 02:42:08
Canada @#12'

You Said It!

We cant even say..'NO'..to Strangers!

That's us 'all over' NO Wonder we get nowhere!

Puppets in Kilts!
14

Furchrissake,

16/03/2008 02:50:52
9 Matt there,somewhere - Well said. Also, they will be the only 'Scots' who could afford to play on the billionaires own personal piece of Scotland -

F**k the Scots, the yanks are coming.
15

Scotish Natoinilist Perty Suportar,

16/03/2008 03:24:26
I do not care what the new lanarkshire mafia (haha) or the Fatcher party (haha poll tax anyone) say?

When I was a young SNP activist ranting publicly and getting sectioned for harassing person on the streets I had cross eyes, droopy fat bottom lip and snotters running down my face = how could I get a job like that?

Well here is the answer I can get a hair net and serve the good American rich man a hamburger and carry his golf bad. That is not illegal wars (haha) that is being independents and having a job for a change.

Good jobs for all SNP voters = do you want fries nive american man.
16

A Better Way,

Edinburgh 16/03/2008 03:25:51
Another decision that vindicates the priorities the Scottish Government puts on new business and more importantly more jobs. Generally its only the Britnats who are against a successful Scottish Nation fully able to take its place with the rest of the Democracies on this planet.

Charles talks keek every time he comes on this forum. Perhaps he would be more at home in his beloved London, praising the Westminster System that doesnt even have a written constitution protecting the rights of the People. See ya later Charlie.
17

Scotish Natoinilist Perty Suportar,

16/03/2008 03:30:27
Number 16 poster above

Yes you have got it right too.

A job cleaning poo out of toilets the fat sweat yank has been squirting his tummy shame (from the offal "surprise" my canteen training accident) is the best us SNP can hope for.

I will queue up behind you and all other SNP unemployed to get good jobs.

"Can I carry your bags, sir"

SNP voters want to work and collect golf balls out of lakes because it's good work.
18

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 16/03/2008 03:41:50
Listen to the sound of the bleeting Nimby's. I hope that this goes through and leads to a complete overhaul of the planning system. Would it not be nice to see economic growth in Scotland exceed that of the UK? Something that 60 years of voting for the Donkey with the Red Rosette could not do.
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 16/03/2008 03:45:13
#17
Are you Dimba's Scottish Cousin?
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Scotish Natoinilist Perty Suportar,

16/03/2008 03:47:25
"Can I shine your shoes mister big shot"

"Och Aye the noo, hame o' thee galf"

"On your left you can McNessie, our club mascott."

I think A better way above, wants the mascot job. He thinks dressing up as a big furry loch ness monster and collecting golf balls out of lakes is a respectable job.
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ghost chaser,

the other side of the pond 16/03/2008 04:15:42
please don't sent this guy back to us ( the U.S.A. ) i really hate this man. am i the only one to feel this way. i do feel sorry for you scotland for the interest he has taken in your country.
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Willie Macleod,

Wick 16/03/2008 04:24:43
The darkest hour is the hour before the dawn.
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KampungHighlander,

16/03/2008 05:01:53
#20 Dimba's Cousin Wrote
"I think A better way above, wants the mascot job. He thinks dressing up as a big furry loch ness monster and collecting golf balls out of lakes is a respectable job. "

Not for a Labour supporter, they would never want to give up the dignity of Jobseeker's allowance.
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Tatties ower the side,

Johannesburg 16/03/2008 05:04:46
At last a sense of reason from the Scottish business community. Progress will happen whether we like it or not . The big question is whether it will happen in Scotland!!!! To turn down this investment would be the equivalent of shooting ourselves in the foot!

And to #9 Matt the idiot above, the golf estate will not "wreck the environment". It will hugely enhance an otherwise bleak and desolate place!!!!
25

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 16/03/2008 06:41:31
Say no to housing scams disguised as golf courses.

What Scotland needs is real jobs. Let Donald invest in sub-marine turbine R&D and manufacture.
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overton,

overton 16/03/2008 07:01:40
God save Aberdeenshire from the 'soon to disappear of the face of the Earth Lib Dems' and the not atall photogenic Debra Storr.
27

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 16/03/2008 08:27:18
#30 & 31 Clarry.

Are you really Eddie Grundy's wife? Surely not: she makes sense.

I'm for stopping ALL housing scams disguised as golf courses. Not just Donald's.

So what a sub-marine turbine scheme is being funded in Portugal? All that shows is that the Portuguese are quicker on the ball than is the SNP. It in no way detracts from asking Donald to fund such a scheme here instead of boxes made of ticky-tacky.
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Auckland Arab2,

16/03/2008 08:42:51
Given that Scotland needs apparently another 35,000 houses, I don't see why a few at least can't be built around the side of some new golf courses.
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 16/03/2008 09:00:36
#32
Maybe it's being built in Portugal because the company funding it didn't want to wait 5 years for the planning process typical of Scotland. After all we would have to make sure they where no danger to Scotlands marine wildlife and there may be some scuba divers who complain it spoils there view.

To be fair with the SNP, they have only had any sort of power since the summer last year and they are also a minority government. Which means they require the co-operation of some of the other do nothing parties. I am sure that an overhaul of the planning system is in the works, but give it time. After 8 years of Labour/Libdem rule there is so much to fix.
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Col.Chi Man,

16/03/2008 09:05:50
So this means that the principled labour supporters have been leaving, and those left didn't have the integrity to stand against the war.

SNP growing? ha! It's a single issue party which doesn't even stand strongly by its issue, as it's led by a self proclaimed monarchist, and is already being tainted by sleaze.

Here's the solution: Unite the Lib Dems, Tories and Greens (I wonder ho long that would last...)
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Col.Chi Man,

16/03/2008 09:06:58
Oops - see article on dwindling members 8-(
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brownlie,

glasgow 16/03/2008 09:20:30
Col.Chi Man,
Are you Nicol Stevens in disguise? Name names and the circumstance regarding the "Sleaze" which the SNP is tainted by. Are you hoping that if you peddle lies often enough some of the mud will stick?
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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 16/03/2008 09:26:10
Donald Trump is not proposing to build a multi-billion
golf complex in Scotland simply for the sentimental reason that his Mammy came from the Western Isles?

As the US President Calvin Coolidge once stated:
"The business of America....is business"!
34

walter,

16/03/2008 09:30:49
Maybe if Trump had not thrown his teddy in the corner and appealed the decision he would have had the go ahead by now.
No one would disagree that a local MSP should not meet the reps of a developer but when that MSP is not only a minister but is the First Minister and he meets these reps on an evening then within hours his government calls the application in and those reps are meeting the chief planner.
When that happens we are left with the situation of who exactly met those reps, was it the local MSP or was it the First Minister.
Since the committee set up to investigate Salmonds actions was not given a remit to say whether the ministerial code was broken or not we do not know if he has broken the rules, the accusation that he has will not go away until an independent investigation goes ahead which I cannot see happening.
There is one thing for sure all the pros and cons of this development are going to be scrutinised as no one would now dare try to just push this through.
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Media 1,

cape town 16/03/2008 09:39:33
There are two types of people. Those who make it and those who dont. In between those two ends of the scale there are those who are still trying to make it, and those who dont have what it takes to try.

In Scotland, there is a lot of people who just dont try and make it because they cant. If they are not pushing prams down a street dressed in a track suit and spitting in the street whilst taking ownership of their fortnightly hand out, they are strapping themselves to trees and chaining other people as weird as themselves to oil rigs, parliament buildings and Aeroplanes.
The people who welcome the Trump investment know the score and will keep Scotland afloat for the others to enjoy. Those against it are pointless people with pointless lives, end of story!
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Rodster,

Glasgow 16/03/2008 09:49:05
I cannot believe that anyone ,irrespective of their political leanings can oppose this development .
It is a desolate area with sand dunes and some birds so what?
Some of you on here bleat about the only jobs will be as burger flippers , again so what, if it is extra jobs is it not better to have work than job seekers allowance?
What about all the jobs in the construction, on the golf course and academy, maintenance staff tour guides ,land management ,estate agents , lawyers a vast array of trades and professions benefit?
All the firms that make money on this from cement,paint bricks ,electrical cable , to supplying timber for houses , plumbers ,brickies ,sparks ,labourers etc. etc..
The ongoing benefits of such a development for local businesses and farmers is immense
Supplying food to the golfers,and the house owners , all the ancillary trades and suppliers that can have an ongoing income.
On the other hand you can open a twitchers site for Bill Oddie and his mates.
Thank god you lot were not around when Mary Queen of Scots first hit a golf ball on the St Andrew's links!!
like most people I do worry about the enviroment ,however some of you Luddites would have us back on the horse and cart ,stop all flying , you cannot halt progress ,you can however manage the resources properly for the benefit of everybody , however we need compromise ,and an end to political point scoring.
It would seem our opposition politicians would rather attack the SNP than to look at what is best for Scotland , more a case of what is best for Labour ....twas always the same!!!
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brownlie,

glasgow 16/03/2008 09:54:56
Walter
Whilst you are recommending nit-picking, was the ministerial code broken when Jack McConnell, as First Minister, at public expense, was waltzing Trump and represantives all over Scotland in a helicopter?
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Liberal for life,

Dunblane 16/03/2008 10:01:29
Two wrongs will never make a right and there’s now little doubt that both Alex Salmond and Martin Ford, in their different capacities, have damaged the reputation of their respective roles. Certain people, in particular Nicol Stephen, have had to try and “pick up the pieces” in this untidy affair. As a result he in turn has been severely chastised by certain sections of the community and popular press for expressing his genuine desire to restore credibility to the planning processes we all have to rely upon from time to time. Instead he was accused of political point scoring but make no mistake, its essential that the integrity of planning must be transparent at ALL times. In turn Mr Trump's representatives ought to have followed the standard appeals procedure we "normal folk" have to follow, rather than pursue the "behind closed doors" approach that lead to the necessary formal enquiry in the first place.
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brownlie,

glasgow 16/03/2008 10:07:26
Poster at 17.
I am not literate enough to bother trying to de-cypher your name. Can you tell me where I can find plumbers, electricians, etc on the minimum wage and we can all save a fortune.
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walter,

16/03/2008 10:16:29
#44
No he was not he was acting as First Minister bringing investment into Scotland.
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 16/03/2008 10:24:26
Scotsman/SOS tries to have it's cake and eat it.

Plenty of column-inches and support in the last few days for those who tore Salmond to shreds over his "judgement". That much I expect from this failing rag.

Then of course today, it pronounces it's weighty judgement on the matter of the golf course, as being a good thing overall.

Surely can't be long now for SOS. No amount of basically giving it away in supermarket promotions, can halt it's inevitable slide into ultimate closure.
42

subrosa,

16/03/2008 10:28:37
# 45

What has Alex Salmond done? Nothing except promote Scotland in a positive and effective way. The ministerial code has not been broken by him either but you swallow Duncan McNeil's spouting that his 'court' weren't allowed to 'try' Mr Salmond on that point. Rest assured if Duncan McNeil thought for one minute that Alex Salmond had broken the ministerial code, he would have been yelling from the rooftops.

What has Nicol Stephen done? A great deal of harm by implying sleaze was involved with this application. The definition of sleaze is the involvement of money as in brown envelopes, back handers etc. Not a nice accusation to stick on anyone.

Be grateful we now have a government which IS transparent, professional and competent. Didn't see much of that from your party during their 8 year 'reign' did we?
43

It's me!,

16/03/2008 10:31:29
The British and Scottish Chambers of Commerce, the Confederation of British Industry, the Scottish Council for Development and Industry (SCDI), the Federation of Small Businesses and the Institute of Directors (IoD) say that Scotland will appear closed for business unless this scheme goes ahead. What utter rubbish. It says Scotland is not to be walked over and destroyed by anyone looking for profit. Realistic projects are welcomed but we all know that the members of these organisations would sell their grannies to increase profits.

Don't sell Scotland short for pieces of silver. It has happened before and we are still suffering from it.
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Liberal for life,

Dunblane 16/03/2008 10:47:57
#49 - you are deliberately missing the point here which isn't surprising knowing the colour of your specs. The planning process is there to protect the "little guys" and ensure the "big guys" don't circumvent it simply because of the size of their wallet. Salmond as Scotlands First Minister, once a prestigious position before his behaviour has sullied it in the same way henry McLeish did a few years ago, did not abide by the planning rules. Fair enough one would expect him to raise the issue as the local MSP but his advice to Mr Trump ought to have been to follow the appeals route. Instead he chose to circumvent due process and THATS when Nicol Stephen called for an enquiry. The position of any First Minister of Scotland is to be as the champion of the laws of the land, not simply flout them when it suits his desire to self promote his ego when he chooses. Salmond might be a good leader in the SNP scale of things but as a First Minister he falls short in so many respects and as time goes on this will become more and more apparent. The clocks ticking.
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Nikostratos,

16/03/2008 10:51:11
Oh well let's just turn the Governance of Scotland Over to the 'business leaders' and they can run the economy in the interests of business. I am sure we will have the most Dynamic economy outside of China and India. Mind we will have to learn to live on a Dollar a day still it's for the best

#51 Methalions

there you go

http://www.starflyer.co.uk/ourcraft.html

http://www.starflyer.co.uk/images/golfing.jpg
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Queen D,

Glasgow 16/03/2008 10:56:26
My Scotsman, that must have been a difficult article to write , considering the weeks of Mr Salmond bashing in which you have indulged!
It is a sit on the fence article ,which must be very uncomfortable for you.
To the idiot that thinks its a crime to make money , its the economy stupid!
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

16/03/2008 11:00:51
52, You state "Salmond did not comply with the planning rules"

Yet the committee investigation found no rules broken, It found no breach of the ministerial code.

Would you care to tell us which rule was broken?
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Le Drapeau Noir,

Capital City 16/03/2008 11:06:02
#45 and #52....ma sides...Nichol is that you??
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brownlie,

glasgow 16/03/2008 11:39:16
52 Liberal for life
It is noticeable that Nicol Stevens is very quiet on the sleaze issue now so its up to the loyal liberals to make insinuations - its funny he did not have a nose for unionists who indulge in rent-boys, illegal wars, funding fiddles etc.
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McGinty,

16/03/2008 11:40:39
Trump has caused division, strife, trouble and aggro since he came over. He shows a blatant disrespect, contempt and arrogance towards our culture and nation. He has exposed himself as a spoilt, greedy bully and manipulator who spits out his dummy when he doesn't get his own way and is willing to exploit the Scots for his own selfish ends. There may be a case for a golf course, but he should go elsewhere, while Scotland should be open for business to honest, decent, respectable, hardworking, innovative, socially aware and inventive entrepreneurs who have the best ends of this nation in mind when they come to do business. Salmond is a fool if he toadies to this.
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walter,

16/03/2008 12:12:41
#55
You say "Yet the committee investigation found no rules broken, It found no breach of the ministerial code"

That is not exactually what the committee found.

The report states: "It seems astonishing to accept the First Minister did not perceive there might be a risk in his actions, that his actions might be open to question and that, as a consequence, the decision might be open to legal action."

The report from the committee did not say he had or has not done anything wrong.

also

"The committee does not have a remit to consider breaches of the ministerial code"

Since it was not in the committees remit to consider whether ministerial codes were broken or not, how can it have found he had not broken the ministerial code when they did not investigate whether he had or not.
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Nikostratos,

16/03/2008 12:30:23
#62 Wardog,

I take it your on the free market wing of the snp..Roll back the state reduce taxes. less or no regulation on businesses (get rid of the minimum wage less holidays sick pay) and all the rest.

Me i do not doubt it will work i just question the kind of life people will have to endure ?
57

Neil,

Glasgow 16/03/2008 12:54:23
This 3 year delay is costing the Scottish Exchequer £360 already as well as thousands of jobs. The spin off from driving away other investors will be considerably greater. If any of the Luddites opposing this had any honesty they would come on here & tell us what taxes they pay they would raise or services they consume they would cut. So far not one of them has done so. Indeed Councillor Storr, one of the LudDims who opposed this initially came online to defend the decision but disappeared when that question was asked.

Perhaps there exists a single member of that party who is willing to answer the question?
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Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 16/03/2008 12:59:45
Storr rears her ugly head again.
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Highland Mighty,

16/03/2008 13:01:45
This whole scheme has become a total farce since the SNP got involved.

It should have been left to the local council to sort out.
60

Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 16/03/2008 13:10:19
Aye, the Lib Dums, starring Tweedle Dum (Ford) & Tweedle Dee (Stephen).

Pathetic.
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Highland Mighty,

16/03/2008 13:15:49
62. I'm not a Labour voter but to say that party is 'bad for business' is yet another of your ill-informed comments.

The UK received $1 TRILLION in inward investment last year, the highest by far in Europe and only second to the US globally. We are seen as a better investment location that Germany, Japan, France, Italy and even China!

We have the second highest GDP per capita in the G7. In the 90s, we were still 7th.

We are the strongest economy in Europe. In the 70s and early 80s, we were the 'sick man of Europe'.

We are 2nd in the world in exported services and 7th in the world in exporting manufactured goods; exporting more in total than the likes of France, Italy and even Japan. Per capita, the UK exports more than Germany too.

We have the lowest government debt of any major economy. In the UK, it is 40%. In Germany it is 62%, France 66%, Italy 103%, Japan 94%, USA 48%...

More overseas companies set up their European headquarters in the UK than anywhere else.

Like I say, I'm not a Labour voter but the UK is well and truly 'OPEN FOR BUSINESS'.
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Highland Mighty,

16/03/2008 13:24:13
71. You are truly a numpty.

1. That was an email referring to the US CONGRESS.
2. It is a hoax.
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Agent 99,

16/03/2008 13:30:44
Can someone here explain to me how a residential development represents a boost to the economy?

I do concede that in the short term builders will gain. However, with all the other building work going on, there's a shortage of builders. So just how does that represent a gain?

The residential development, once built, generates no wealth whatsoever. Sure, folk live there, but they will not build businesses there, it being, by definition, residential.

Scotland is further awash with golf courses. The addition of another, with no guarantee of special merit, merely dilutes what we have.

The idea that there is a bunch of roving, monied layabouts jetting from resort to resort to play a few holes is surely a bit of wishful thinking. In the event that they did exist, though, who here would agree that they'd be sure to go to Menie above, say, the south of Spain? Nothing like a northeast gale for sorting the men from the boys.

So, please enlighten me, just why is this such a compelling development?
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Agent 99,

16/03/2008 13:34:59
[66] Neil: "This 3 year delay is costing the Scottish Exchequer £360"

Is that all?

"... as well as thousands of jobs."

Ah, there we have it. But just how many folk do you need to polish a golf ball, or rake the bunker sand?

Seems to me there would be far more employed at such a place than paying guests. Is that really economically viable?

Please substantiate the "thousands" and just in what capacity they will be employed.
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Publius,

Girvan 16/03/2008 14:24:19
#99 In the south the shortage of plumbers has reappeared. The Poles are going home (or to France and Germany) because of the collapse of the pound against the zloty and the Europe.
I don't know about other construction workers. But I guess they must be in short supply too.
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Buckpool Loon,

Cheshire 16/03/2008 14:36:56
#70 Highland Mighty - Re: "The UK is well and truly open for business."

Would that be the money laundering business?
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Neil,

Glasgow 16/03/2008 14:39:12
"Agent 99" please confirm, as previously requested, what taxes you pay you wish to see raised or services cut to pay for the £360 million you lot have already cost us by delaying this investment.
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Media 1,

cape town 16/03/2008 15:30:42
Mr Trump we salute you! Because dedication, commitment and hard work got you to where you are now!
We need people like you over in Scotland...
I am delighted that you are investing in Scotland, long may it continue.
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dido-bendigo,

Scotland 16/03/2008 16:19:44
Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that wrong doing by those displaying the 'conceit of office' will show that Scotland is open to corrupt practices, rather than "Closed for business". Alex the 1st of Scotland, leaders of industry and speculators - Beware of Vigilance!
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Tweedmouth,

Coldstream 16/03/2008 16:52:29
If any of the Scottish business leaders quoted above were given planning permission to build 1500 new houses in rural Aberdeenshire - they would stand to make £2-3 billion profit. So why are THEY not doing it? The reason is simple - nobody would get planning permission to build a huge housing development in a greenfield site next to an environmentally sensitive area. That's the law.

Tarting this housing scheme up as a golf-paradise is such a transparent lie that one would think even an idiot could understand it.

Cllr Ford chaired a committee that was equally split on the planning application. The standing orders of this committee were that in the event of a deadlock, the Chairman MUST cast his vote for 'no change in the status quo' and remit the application to an appeals procedure or a new application. That is exactly what Cllr Ford did and he has been vilified by Trump's PR machine and then scapegoated by a bunch of totally unprincipled Aberdeenshire councillors.

Hopefully the enquiry will bring all this out. Trump should be sent packing - he's only after the money.
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Am Bodach,

16/03/2008 18:06:01
This enquiry has ben generated by nothing but spite and malevolence by the failed shop stewards who continue to be a disgrace and an embarrassment to Scotland by their bitterness and incompetence.

They are damaging the economy of this country but the only thing that matters to them is that they get one over the SNP and nothing else. They have completely failed. Alex Salmond could out think this lot even if he had his hands tied and wore a blindfold.

McNeil and his spitefull craws who look like they have swallowed a wasps nest each, are paying the price as they are held in contempt by the electorate. Their behaviour in the chamber is worthy of the inmates of the Bar-L, the sooner they go the better, the world must look at these creatures and think, "what kind of people get politicians like that."

Poll gives Salmond a 75% lead over Alexander
Scottish Political Editor


ALEX SALMOND has recorded an unprecedented 75% lead in approval ratings over Labour rival Wendy Alexander, according to a poll seen by the Sunday Herald.

The First Minister has been given a plus-53% rating by voters, against minus-22% for the beleaguered Labour leader.

The Nationalists are also ahead on voting preferences for Holyrood.

The poll, conducted by MRUK earlier this month, has found that the SNP would increase their majority if a Scottish election were held tomorrow.

According to the results, which have been passed to the Sunday Herald, the SNP are currently polling 39% on the constituency ballot, up 7% from last May, and at 40% of the regional list vote, up nine percentage points.

Labour are on 31% of the constituency vote, down 1% from last year, and up 1% on the regional ballot. However, it is Alexander's personal approval ratings that will worry Scottish Labour as it prepares for its conference in Aviemore later this month. The MRUK results confirm her dreadful start as party leader has been noticed by voters.

She goes to Aviemore having to win over her ma
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Am Bodach,

16/03/2008 18:08:39
She goes to Aviemore having to win over her many critics inside and outside the party



Alexander admitted breaking the law and walks away grinning. Salmond broke no law or regulation and has to be grilled by the bitter po faced politburo, what a bloody farce.
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Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 16/03/2008 18:23:50
Making a fast buck by treating Scots as suckers!
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overton,

balmedie 16/03/2008 18:24:38
85 Tweedmouth,

Ford was against this project from the start and indeed had been working with 'Sustainable Aberdeenshire' and Debra Storr to undermine this opportunity from day one. The fact that this eco-fascist was actually on the ISC is certainly a reason for questioning the competence of the half asleep Aberdeenshire Council.

Ford was appropriately sacked for his abuse of position and for not maintaining the status quo - which was to accept the project as it had been by the local planning committee.

Your comments from Berwick are welcome but it would be worth your while spending some time up here questioning the locals who are 90% in favour of the project going ahead as submitted.
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Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 16/03/2008 18:43:28
#85 Tweedmouth.

That 85% of the population is in favour doesn't make it right! That percentage may favour public hanging, or banning taxation, etc.

A thing is right because it is right. Destroying a green field site so a few can get rich is not right. Needed homes can easily be built elsewhere. Golf courses? Not another one, please!
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Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 16/03/2008 18:45:18
ER, that should be #89 Overton. Sorry #85 Tweedmouth!
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karinxx,

16/03/2008 19:42:02
and below we have the voting intentions for the next election in scotland. whos leading that oh yes the SNP.


Headline Voting Intention
[Excluding Don't Knows and Wouldn't Vote]
Con 18
Lab 30
Lib Dem 11

SNP 37
BNP 1
Green 3
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karinxx,

16/03/2008 19:43:00
bye bye labour bye bye.
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karinxx,

16/03/2008 19:44:53
anyone voting labour at the next election is wasting their vote because middle england will vote in david cameron.
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Blue Tooner,

Aberdeenshire 16/03/2008 19:45:10
After a few weeks graft I return to see the same old names on the Trumpton threads.
#90 Well said Rules, but beware the wrath of Overton the Wise and his trusty side-kick Clarry the Moron Hunter. They show no mercy!
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Bird of Prey, Will watch what i say.,

16/03/2008 19:52:29
#92 Karin double x rated

Oh baby that is a good post tootsie toots.i also have good news. We both should get together and have a party in my nest, how about it chick?

1. An analysis of all by-election results since May 2007 shows the SNP winning more votes and seats.
SNP Gain 2, SNP Hold 1, LD Gain 1, Lab Hold 1

Party Votes %
SNP 4,797 34%
Labour 4,126 29%
Tory 1,858 13%
LibDem 1,835 13%
Other 1,575 11%
2. Figures from the Scottish Social Attitudes Survey 2007 (Jan 2008) show that 71% of people trust the Scottish Government to work in Scotland's best interests while only 35% trust the UK Government to act in Scotland's interest.
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Bird of Prey, Will watch what i say.,

16/03/2008 20:05:27
#97 Spook..

Thanks for the compliment, what do you make of this news?
snp - 2008-03-12
The SNP have tonight taken over the administration of Stirling Council following a vote of no confidence in the ruling Labour / Lib Dem Coalition. The SNP will now lead the council as a minority administration.

New Council Leader SNP Cllr Graham Houston said:

"Today's vote is a new start for Stirling.

"The people of Stirling voted for change in May, now that change will finally be delivered.

"The new SNP council will not just implement the council tax cut put forward by the previous administration, we will freeze council tax for the full three years.

"After decades of Labour control in Stirling the SNP will bring a breath of fresh air to the council."

SNP MSP for Stirling Bruce Crawford welcomed tonights vote:

"The SNP is bringing real improvement across the country in Government and in local authorities.

"The new SNP Council will deliver on the priorities of the people of Stirling.

"Labour has been found wanting in Stirling as they were found wanting across Scotland in May."

ENDS

1. Stirling Council comprises 7 SNP, 4 Conservative,3 Lib Dem and 8 Labour Cllrs. 1 Labour cllr is currently suspended from the Labour party and did not take part in tonight’s votes.

2.The motion of no confidence carried by 11 votes to 10.


Good reading or what?
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 16/03/2008 20:14:06
See the Johnston Press massaging their figures by making me log in again. Can only be Labour orientated.

Start again.

Is Balmedie already commutersville? Yes.

Who will by Trumps housing? Apart from a few Scottish people, oil companies who have a presence in Aberdeen.

How much will the new incomers spend in Balmedie as opposed to Trumps golf complex? Depends on the quality of the local retail industry.

Does the quantity of this development phase of housing/ accommodation dwarf the previous one? Quite the reverse.

Are there sand dunes to spare in Scotland? Yep and a few mountains too.

Are tree huggers......? Yep.

Have the oppo parties tried too hard to make political capital out of this? Yep

Has Trump pulled out? No.

Can anyone come up with a realistic reason why this should not go ahead? Not yet anyway.

Thank you.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 16/03/2008 20:20:13
100. Doh. Balmenie.

And buy.

Same goes for the condos. Oil companies are flying people to Dundee for accommodation as we speak.
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Nikostratos,

16/03/2008 20:26:13
#94


Why do you lot imagine that if the conservatives win big at Westminster this will aid your forlorn and ultimately doomed attempt at gaining Independence for Scotland.

David Cameron will be every bit a Defender of the 'Union' as Gordon Brown if you believe he is going to go down in History as the British Prime minister who ended the United Kingdom. You are completely 'Cuckoo'


#98 Bird of Prey, Will watch what i say.#99 spookie

Wow the snp have taken control of the local darts committee

wow the snp have won the pigeon fancier club secretary
position

wow the snp have won a massive majority in the selling parts of scotland to American investors trust fund

wow Alex salmond has broke the Limo world speed record in getting down the Raj for a curry from Bute house


wow the snp have been elected Brown owl of the local Brownie pack.......


I mean just 'wow'
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Nikostratos,

16/03/2008 20:36:28
#104 spookie

Anytime..anywhere i am as fit as a fiddle been up the gym today and am ready to to#s me caber..pretty damn far I'm waiting as you can see

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s240/brian_blogger/300-01.jpg
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 16/03/2008 20:39:05
102, Spook. I would rather have companies buying up the properties in this instance.

Having worked on housing developments, I have seen the speculators (who have been instumental in the housing inflation) peeking through the Herras fencing and asking where the sales office is.

Then then purchase a house type by plot number and the for sale sign is up before the house has dried out. £50,000 profit to them thank you very much.

I also note that comment appears to have been closed on the asylum seeker story. Perhaps the paper did not get the response it was seeking.
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karinxx,

16/03/2008 20:49:41
103 you still dont get it do you nikos.

think about every war and conflict that "britain" has fought or been involved in?

think about their reasons for going to war. the one soul reason they listed as what they were fighting for?


now imagine if you will those poll results for the snp translating into votes. democratic votes. control of a country votes. democratic control of a whole country votes.

now ask yourself

is the country that went into so many wars and conflicts to "help" democracy going to stand there and actually tell the world?

sod democracy.

now you toddle along and think about that nikos because when those poll results happen and turn into votes is that what your going to be saying

sod democracy?

in which case why are you on here. debating political points when quite frankly you would say.


sod democracy. dictatorship rules.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 16/03/2008 20:51:09
In the interests of science, I would like to know if this potential spat you mention at 107 will take place at the foot at the top or the bottom of Leith Walk.
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karinxx,

16/03/2008 20:52:59
spooky i will do the decent thing and haud yer jaiket.

cyberphysically of course.
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karinxx,

16/03/2008 20:54:30
spooky thing ye scared him off there.
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Conan the Librarian™,

16/03/2008 20:56:10
Evening Karin
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Conan the Librarian™,

16/03/2008 20:58:21

The cast iron problem been solved?
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 16/03/2008 20:59:29
108, Spook. I was on the Granton Harbour flats. Miller had the sales office open while Bison slabs were swinging about from cranes. The most developed bit of the construction was only sheeting the walls. No chance of a show flat.

£250 grand for a 2 bed matchbox with 3 bogs. What a laugh.
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karinxx,

16/03/2008 21:00:54
115 no yet still working on it along with actual working working.
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Nikostratos,

16/03/2008 21:01:53
#107 spookie

I have seen your mum you win.............

http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/34500/Putin-Bodybuilder--34549.jpg
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karinxx,

16/03/2008 21:02:09
whits with all the complete potato heads on here the last few days?