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Don't make us all pay for binge drinkers, say Scots



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Published Date: 03 August 2008
TWO-thirds of Scots believe ministers are acting unfairly by pushing up the price of alcohol for everyone simply to crack down on the minority of problem drinkers, according to a new survey.
In the first poll of public opinion since the Scottish Government unveiled its plans for a "drink tax", Scots declared they did not believe raising prices should be the focus of attack to reduce the drink culture.

Instead, the public believes ministers should crack down on off-licences that sell to underage drinkers, force police to arrest drunks, and improve education in schools. Scots, the survey says, believe it is peer pressure and irresponsible parents – and not low taxes – that are most to blame for alcohol abuse.

Ministers announced plans earlier this summer to raise taxes by 35p or more. They also proposed a minimum age of 21 for off-sales and separate supermarket lanes for drink.

The survey of 1,000 Scots was carried out by respected polling organisation ICM and commissioned by the Wine and Spirits Trade Association (WSTA). Ministers last night said it could not be taken seriously as it had been paid for by the trade and included leading questions.

However, the independent Scottish Attitudes survey, published last week, showed only 33% of people backed the idea of taxing alcohol more heavily to encourage people to drink less.

The WSTA/ICM poll asked people if they thought it was unfair that Scots should have to pay more because of a minority – 66% said yes. It also asked people if they would be happy to pay more to reduce problem drinking – 25% agreed. Meanwhile, 75% said they thought it was unfair to pay more than people in England.

The survey resented 12 "factors" that could be blamed for alcohol abuse. "Taxes on drink being too low" was ranked ninth. The main causes are seen as "peer pressure", "parents not taking enough responsibility", "people feeling stressed", "family breakdown" and "Scotland's historic drinking culture".

Respondents were offered 13 "effective measures" to deal with alcohol abuse. People rated "harsh punishments for licencees that sell to underage drinkers" as the most effective.

This was followed by "improve education of alcohol abuse in schools", "encourage the police to arrest more people for drunken/anti social behaviour", "fine parents whose children abuse alcohol", and then "raise drinking age to 21".

Jeremy Beadles, chief executive of the WSTA, said: "The SNP is punishing all consumers for the problems caused by a minority and voters know it." Fiona Moriarty, director of the Scottish Retail Consortium, said: "Scottish shoppers resent the prospect of the Scottish Government pushing up alcohol prices and restricting how, and when, alcohol can be sold."

However, Shona Robison, Minister for Public Health, claimed the survey was not genuine, saying it was "clearly worded to elicit responses which reflect the interests of the WSTA itself". She said: "We would welcome any constructive suggestions on how we can tackle alcohol misuse."

Ministers claim alcohol abuse costs Scotland £2.25bn a year. They insist there is a link between low cost and consumption and point out that trials of over-21 off-sales have cut crime by as much as 60%.

Drinkers 'ignorant of risks'

MANY Scots remain ignorant of how much it is safe to drink and how much alcohol their beverages contain, a new survey has revealed.

Less than half of those quizzed could identify the recommended daily intake for men and women, despite a string of high-profile anti- alcohol campaigns.

Almost half believed Scotland's record of heavy drinking was a source of shame – but two-thirds also said it was "a major part of the Scottish way of life", according to the findings of the Scottish Social Attitudes Survey.

Heavy drinking results in 40,000 hospital admissions a year and 70% of assaults are alcohol-related, according to ministers. It also costs the country £2.25bn a year.

There was clear recognition of the harm caused by alcohol in the interviews undertaken for the report, which was titled Something To Be Ashamed Of Or Part Of Our Way Of Life? Attitudes Towards Alcohol In Scotland.

A total of 89% of women and 80% of men recognised that hazardous drinking is "very likely" or "fairly likely" to damage long-term health.

But there was still widespread ignorance about how much it is safe to drink.

Only 34% correctly identified that men are advised to drink no more than three to four units a day. And only 41% knew the recommended daily limit for women was two to three units.

About half of those quizzed knew the number of units in a pint of beer or a single measure of spirits, but only 15% knew there were eight to 10 in a bottle of wine.

Sam Reeves

The full article contains 807 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 02 August 2008 11:02 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
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03/08/2008 00:12:06
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 03/08/2008 00:19:15

To Dammed right!!

An Idiotic Policy that 'WONT' make a,..
'HOOT of DIFFERENCE'!!

The 'Under 25's' WILL get their Booze no-matter what you do!

I have 'NEVER' witnessed such 'SHEER STUPIDITY' in all my life!!

GOD HELP US ALL! If we have to contend with more of the policy makers, making 'Policies' up from some sort of 'Fairy Tale Book'!
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FTH22inarow,

03/08/2008 00:21:50
How about letting people who work hard live a little , you can take your religious inspired prohibition up your a**e. Northern Europeans drink more than the Southern, but also work a damn sight harder.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 03/08/2008 00:24:44

BTW!!

What 'Bannana Boat' did the 'Muppets' that dont have a 'BRAIN' come up the Clyde in, waving the 'Flags',,

WE WILL STOP YOUR BOOZE,?
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03/08/2008 00:26:29
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 03/08/2008 00:27:13


BTW!!,

That 'Blond' in the picture looks a Babe!

I would buy her a drink, any-day!
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Rabster,

03/08/2008 00:43:44
I was about to report #1 for a pointlessly stupid comment that is unrelated to the story. But it looks like on these criteria I would have to report all the rest of the comments as well.

As to the point - it's hardly a surprise that people when asked wouldn't choose to pay extra taxes, but if taxing alcohol more will increase public health and reduce binge drinking and raise a bit of money for public services, then I'm all for it.
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doublescotch,

U.S.A 03/08/2008 00:49:47
#6 Chharles! Whatwould DYW say about that? I am now going to dye my hair blond:)You can buy me a drink the next time I am in Edinburgh:)
DOW
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03/08/2008 00:52:59
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Rabster,

03/08/2008 00:55:25
Time to give up on this website I think.
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doublescotch,

03/08/2008 01:05:36
#10 Yes in a nutshell.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 03/08/2008 01:05:38

doublescotch ~8,

Hi, hope you are well, hows the Twins? what names,?

regarding the 'Babe', DYW Knows she is My 'Babe' and I love her very much, I might purchase the "Babe" in the picture a Drink, that don't mean I want anything else, it would be just to say, you are Beautiful in my eyes,...

'Stuff the Authorities' Here is a Drink!

Anyhow DYW Suzanne, now in her last stage of IVF, if all goes well her embryo transfer is start of September.

Her 'Nesting' has now started, clearing out this, clearing out that!
It kinda drives me nuts! :) but I love to see Nature taking its course, and say nothing, except,..

"Is this you Nesting then?"

To-which I get a "YES"! reply! :D
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 03/08/2008 01:07:00

#10, #11,

You Canny do that! You will miss all the 'Goss' :)
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 03/08/2008 01:11:58
Two-thirds of Scots oppose our Hallowed SNP Government?

What are they, "Unionists" or something?!

Oh yes, come to think of it... ;-)
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FTH22inarow,

03/08/2008 01:12:11
Off to church now prohibitionists, let us live our oan lives the way we wish, of course there is a "son of the manse" doing a great job of running the country right now
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 03/08/2008 01:20:03

And to Clarify!

All my posts refer to the, 'STUPID IDIOTS' that think making Laws, to stop the 'under 25's' getting their Booze will make a difference,..

With the exception of my post #12, which is a reply to doublescotch, and my post #6, which is a remark on the 'Blond'.

I rarely if ever make any remarks or comments, on any other posters, with an exception for Boy Wonder!
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doublescotch,

U.S.A 03/08/2008 01:26:48
#12 Charles. the twins are beautiful. I call them my Star Babies. I am sorry I can't give their names. They both have beutiful Celtic names with my maiden name as a middle name.
Charles about the tax you should know it is called a sin tax.That was what it was called when I grew up in Scotland. It was to keep the working-class down.It was all about control.
If you stop making up these silly songs I will stay. After all you are not Scaramouche:)
I am praying all goes well for Suzanne it is a very emotional and painful process. I wil light a candle for you
DOW
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Statsman,

Edinburgh 03/08/2008 01:49:02
Attacking smokers and drinkers only has so much mileage. The SNP should realise this and stick to running the country instead of interfering. Government should be about creating opportunity, not raping citizens for every last penny and proscribing lifestyles.

The SNP can undo all the goodwill it has by following the idiot supreme Stewart Maxwell down the hole of medical lifestyle dictatorship. WW2 wasn't about the Allies introducing fascism for future generations.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 03/08/2008 01:50:06

doublescotch ~17,

Thankyou!

Being serious and referring to your quote,..

"it is a very emotional and painful process."

Yes it IS!

I never have in my life, experienced anything remotely like it, subconscious mental stress
and a kind of deep sadness, near breaks me, but then that's the price you pay for true Love, to-which I have NO control off, its, 'Just Me' :( (the way I was made)

Your Candle means a lot, to us Both. x


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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 03/08/2008 01:58:02

#17 ds,

"Your Candle means a lot, to us Both. x"

And for our 'Embryos in Waiting' for their Mummy.
21

Statsman,

Edinburgh 03/08/2008 01:59:01
Shona Robison is being as arrogant as Nu Labour. She is a vote loser.

Any leader with any sense would remove such Nazi inclined politicians. The reason Nu Labour are hated is because they don't listen to the common man and woman. Ramming health re-education down people's throats is no different. Learn SNP.
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DGR,

Coolangatta 03/08/2008 03:54:12
The son of the Manse has only one aim in life and that is to tax anything and everything. I doubt Stealth Tax Gordon Brown will be happy until he has followed the Goon Show suggestion of Income Tax at 22/6 in the pound.
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somerferg,

perth 03/08/2008 04:24:38

#21 - pathetic yes thats you !

As for the article. You are already paying for the effects of too much booze ie medical expenses, lost productivity, violence against women and men etc etc. Dealing with the difficult issues that are holding Scotland back is what the Scottish government is supposed to be doing and thats what the SNP are doing. Such a nice change from the monkeys with red rosettes who spend the last 50 years lining their own pockets, doing London's bidding and saying to h@ll with the people of Scotland.
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Mad Jock,

East Lothian 03/08/2008 04:46:31
What ever happened to "Drunk and Disorderly" as a charge? It would be easy to tax the drunks. Lock them up, and don't let them out until they pay a huge fine. About £500 ought to do it. Next time they're in the drunk tank, double the fine. Perhaps they'll soon get the message. Of course, it also means that the rest of us don't have to pay for their indiscretions.
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03/08/2008 05:00:47
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Guga II,

Rockall 03/08/2008 05:12:22
That waste of space, Kenny MacAskill, needs to wake up to himself. Punishing the majority for the sins of a small minority is total stupidity.

This is the waste of space that doesn't want to gaol anyone under the age of eighteen, regardless of whether they are violent neds and thugs.

There is enough existing legislation to control the drinking problem. All it needs is for it to be enforced properly. If there has to be additional legislation, then raise the fines for buying alcohol for underage drinkers. Raise the fines for shops etc. that sell alcohol to underage drinkers; followed by a loss of licence for repeat offences. Fine the underage drinkers themselves, not just give them a taxi ride home in a police car. Fine the parents of persistent underage drinkers, and get the persistent underage drinkers out in chain gangs sweeping the streets.

Wee Eck needs to get shot of this waste of space and his idiotic policies before he does any more damage to the SNP.
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03/08/2008 05:17:21
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Boy Wonder,

03/08/2008 06:08:41
ALL RIGHT!!! Who's the eeejit that let Chuckles Linskail loose on this thread?? There needs to be some serious editing on this forum today! The filth at #1 for starters!

I am not a drinker, but I echo the sentiments of the drinkers, that yes they are being punished for the sins of the minority! But you can blame the cops for that. It's THEY who advise the govt on policy regarding public drinking.

I'm not advocating a let the drunks get away with it policy. I want them hammered as much as anyone. But this smacks of keeping the whole class in for detention because wee Jimmy at the back blew a raspberry!
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The Daleks,

Longmen 03/08/2008 06:16:30
We don't want to be bossed around by arrogant leaders who think they know what's best for us.

It's time to stop letting our "elected leaders" treat us like infants, and bin the nanny state, and PC politics.
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The Daleks,

Longmen 03/08/2008 06:23:36
#9 Charles L

"Senseless thoughts of racial pride"?

What on earth are you blethering on about, and what's "racial pride" got to do with the price of a pint?
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Phil C,

03/08/2008 06:52:06
Kenny MacAskill and the SNP will ignore these findings at their peril. Many Scots without a drink are like fish without water! It is part of our culture, whether people like it or not. Most adopt a responsible attitude to drink though and they should not be punished because of the mindless drunks. There are plenty measures in place already to deal with these drunks- use them!
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Boggle fey the Bog,

03/08/2008 07:37:21
Ponder this one:

When I first started working in pubs, a pint of Guinness was half a crown (2/6d or 12.5p in new money) that was in 1968, now if we take inflation, alone, into account, the same pint of Guinness today should cost £1.62½p, now in my local it is £2.55p, that is 92½p more than it should be if only inflation is taken into account.

So to say that tax on alcohol is 'too low' is just a little bit disingenuous, or indeed more like a downright lie, as whatever the 'final retail price' the Government, over and above excise duty, rake in 17½% in VAT.

Now without going into the rights and wrongs of VAT, one of it's main purposes is to 'protect' the Exchequer form the 'vagaries of inflation', well it is obviously doing a great job as far as alcohol is concerned.

Mr MacAskill, should really do his 'sums' on this one, as he is talking out of his posterior on this issue.
To tackle 'underage drinking', which has been with us for a helluva longtime (I started drinking when I was 15, and going into pubs when I was 16, I am, however, not a 'raging alcoholic', but like most people enjoy 'a pint and good company' in a pub, although the later part has been 'stolen' from me, on account of the illegal 'Smoking ban' in public and Private places.

As an SNP supporter, I can only say to Eck et al, don't go down the road of Nu Labour/Owld Torie, listen to the people and do what they ask of you, else you will be consigned to history, as the 'Party that failed Scotland', not the 'Party that gave Scotland back her place among the great family of Nations'
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BOBO UMBONGONDO,

utopia 03/08/2008 07:47:39
A bit off topic but much the same sentiments, the sports comment of this paper has been destroyed by a mindless group of knuckle draggers, so much so that decent fans with a valid point of view are unable to post their views, because of the lack of will of the management of this paper to simply ban permanently the knuckle draggers. Rather like the authorities lack of will to address a myriad of social problems, alcohol being one of them. Hard sanctions against wrongdoers is required so that law abiding people do not have to continually pay the price of authorities inaction.
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Boggle fey the Bog,

03/08/2008 07:52:41
24 Mad Jock,East Lothian 03/08/2008 04:46:31

Couldn't agree more with that sentiment, in the 60's, the 'going rate' for 'Breach, or D and D' was about a £5 fine, or 28 days,this seemed to have the 'desired effect' as, although as teenagers, we may have been a bit 'boisterous', we did tend not to be Albert Henry's, as this threat was always in the background.

If we allow for inflation, that same fine should be about £65 and the incarceration period if multiplied up by the inflation factor would be 448 days, now I think that would stop the neds, dead in their track, so to speak!! ;-)

The only problem seems to be the 'political will' to enforce our current laws, we don't need new legislation, just enforcement of the existing laws, and an 'order in council' or a SSI can be used to vary the 'tariff on these 'crimes against society'.

Rocket Science, it ain't!!!!
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bluehead,

edinburgh 03/08/2008 07:53:53
it is a fact that every time a minority of people misbehave,the rest are made to suffer,I thought the SNP
would recognize this and consequently concentrate on the one's that are at fault,raising the price of drink because of the antics of some irresponsible people is grossly unfair,
politicians never seem to get it right.
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Longdirk Maceth,

Aberdeen 03/08/2008 08:29:10
#1 and #2, shut up, your boring.

Fact is something like 80% of violent crime is alcohol related. I am a boozer, I love a good p!ss up, but I’ve been attacked in the street by drunks for no reason, and it hacks me off that these scum aren’t being taken off the streets, and dealt with properly by the law.
Maybe the law gives too much protection to people like this.

It seems that in Scotland, as well as the rest of the UK, brainless morons out of their skulls are killing more and more people, and in my opinion get away with it.
You people on this forum, what exactly would you do if you were in Government? This is a massive problem in Scotland, and it needs to be addressed from all angles, slagging off the SNP who are trying to do something about does not help one iota.
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The Daleks,

Longmen 03/08/2008 08:43:07
#36

Putting up the price of a pint isn't going to stop mindless thugs from wanting to attack you in the street.

The tough implementation of existing laws and harsh sentencing, on the other hand, just might.
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Nikostratos,

03/08/2008 08:46:40
The WSTA/ICM poll asked people if they thought it was unfair that Scots should have to pay more because of a minority – 66% said yes.

the minority being the snp


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watcher4,

Edinburgh 03/08/2008 09:13:16
Anyone know where all this extra cash will end up? This will surely stop all but a small %age of crime in Scotland, so we won`t need the extra 1000 Police on the Street that we were promised, so that is even more money in the Governments coffers.
I`m not saying that Kenny MacAskill is some kind of a hypocrit, but didn`t he get arrested at one time for drunken behaviour at a Football match.
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Bandit,

?? 03/08/2008 09:17:52
What seems to be missed is the fact that increasing the the price of drink for everyone is entirely intentional. Health professionals believe we are all drinking too much !!!
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SouthernSkye,

03/08/2008 09:24:52
#14 AM2
And remind me do, what percentage of the UK electorate voted for NL in the last election?
Simililar figures eh?

As to the story: We have lazy unimaginitive politicians, in the main, throughout the UK and if a simple "ban it or price it high" policy can be applied they will do so. Simple MPs provide simple solutions!
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Joe,

Illicit Still 03/08/2008 10:05:25
Berwick on Tweed suddenly becomes the Booze Cruise Capital of Northern Britain! Customs posts on all border roads into Scotland. Well done SNP!
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Craig Cockburn,

Linlithgow 03/08/2008 10:11:28
When are we going to have sensible, rational legislation on alcohol that is enacted sensibly and rationally? The majority of people do not have a problem with drink. Drink is moderation is both social and healthy. So why are the normal majority treated as criminals when they want to buy drink on a Sunday morning? It makes as much sense as banning chocolate on a Sunday morning because some people have a weight problem.

There was me wanting to buy a glass of wine for Sunday lunch with the vicar as well.

Whatever laws there are on alcohol, having different buying hours for different days of the week is absurd.

Craig
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Itchy,

03/08/2008 10:16:54
#23 "Dealing with the difficult issues that are holding Scotland back is what the Scottish government is supposed to be doing and thats what the SNP are doing."

Wrong. This measure is a tax grab worthy of Gordon Brown and is just a crude attempt to nationalize the drinks industry and supermarkets. It is also a mean-spirited one at that. It has nothing to do with health.
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Bringalbert,

North Perth 03/08/2008 10:32:37
What happened to the empire?
46

Miss H,

03/08/2008 11:02:55
48 It has everything to do with health and a broader wellbeing agenda. It's the biggest health issue we face.

47 Craig - if peope are normal moderate drinkers then the SNP's proposals won't make any real difference to them.
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Callum MacPherson,

03/08/2008 11:07:36

Separate supermarket lanes and higher taxes on drinks are without doubt sensible, reasonable, good ideas. I'm not so sure that raising the off-sales minimum age is such a good idea. For one thing it would put students off coming to Scotland, a factor which cannot be ignored. Besides, I think eighteen is a reasonable age. However off-licences should definitely be hit hard when caught selling to under-age customers.

Regarding higher taxes, people must realise that this only applies to those very cheap products. Any responsible adult will still be easily able to afford the drink they want. It's simply morally right in a conscientious society that alcohol is not available for buttons.

Kudos to the SNP for being the government to finally begin to address this issue seriously.


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Rob me blind,

Peterhead 03/08/2008 11:09:10
'Instead, the public believes ministers should crack down on off-licences that sell to underage drinkers, force police to arrest drunks',

What's the use the Police are trying but then the idiots at the 'Clown Office and the Procurator Farcical' screw up and the courts let them all walk out Scott free. If the SNP want to get rid of theses problems get the justice system to take the concerns of the public more seriously and start sentencing these idiots to some real hard time in institutions that mean they have to work hard to gain any sort of privileges.
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cabrach loon,

inverness 03/08/2008 11:11:26
SNP needs to wake up to this one - the UK is being wrecked by Govs pandering to the fringe minorities as if they are the majority just because they are a vociferous load of nutters. When it goes to the ballot box they count for little! The UK is or has been destroyed already to suit the politically correct politicians and the yapping minorities. Stand up the majority and be heard!
Let's face it who wants to fly now unless they have no alternative, what was once an exciting enjoyable experience has become a drudge being maltreated by arrogant little hitlers - Oh but yes the whole civil service and police are lkike that too, the people are the servants now!
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Karin,

03/08/2008 11:16:24
We have sufficient laws, which, if anyone bothered to actually apply them, would reduce alcohol-fuelled bad behaviour. It is already illegal to sell drink to underagers and to those already drunk. It is already illegal to urinate in the street, wander around singing at the top of your voice at midnight and start fights. But instead of dealing firmly with the ACTUAL troublemakers, it's far easier to take a blanket approach and penalise the majority of Scots who drink responsibly.

I've moved to a country where alcohol is indeed available for buttons. And you know what, because beer is everywhere, available cheaply on every street corner, it is nothing special. You do see drunk people from time to time but there is rarely any trouble. Now, why could that be?
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Karin,

03/08/2008 11:16:28
We have sufficient laws, which, if anyone bothered to actually apply them, would reduce alcohol-fuelled bad behaviour. It is already illegal to sell drink to underagers and to those already drunk. It is already illegal to urinate in the street, wander around singing at the top of your voice at midnight and start fights. But instead of dealing firmly with the ACTUAL troublemakers, it's far easier to take a blanket approach and penalise the majority of Scots who drink responsibly.

I've moved to a country where alcohol is indeed available for buttons. And you know what, because beer is everywhere, available cheaply on every street corner, it is nothing special. You do see drunk people from time to time but there is rarely any trouble. Now, why could that be?
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Evan Owen,

Snowdonia 03/08/2008 11:18:04
The Bible had stories of peopl turning water into wine, blame the Christians?
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muppetfinder,

03/08/2008 11:27:57
ask anyone if they want to pay more for something and they rarely agree. due to the questions being biased this survey hardly counts. was this another survey taken in the Scotsman's offices.
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blackley,

Edinburgh 03/08/2008 11:28:00
What nonsense about recommended female alcohol intake. Surely it depends how fat they are.
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Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 03/08/2008 11:53:29
I did not think it was the SNP policy to force up the price of all drink but have a minimum price per alcohol unit. Unless the ordinary drinking citizen seeks to get smashed out of his face on a 2 litre plastic bottle of white cider, I think he will be unaffected. He will not pay any more if he prefers to sip a Speyside malt in the evening.

As for raising the offlicence age to 21, that also seems sensible since it will cut the likelihood of an only-just-adult buying for teenagers. The age for drinking in pubs and clubs will be unchanged, where there are at least responsible adults in charge of the premises who are obliged not to sell to those already drunk. Cheap off-sales are already affecting our pub heritage.

As for students aged 18-21 not getting a carry out, I'm sure they will be able to make suitable arrangements to organise a supply for their parties. If a cardboard box of discounted lagers will have to cost more they will either have to spend more or drink less. If a bottle of wine is having to be sold at £3.00 it can't be up to much and fit only for cooking. It's maybe a good thing to drive the cheap plonk off the shelves. That is not the problem. It is the feral teenagers who drink in secret that are the social problem. At least our Scottish Government is seeking to address the drinking problem which costs the public in public order, increased vandalism, and the health service with treatment of injuries in A&E and long term problems of Alcoholism, Cirrhosis and mental illness.
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OLD GIN,

METHIL LEVEN 03/08/2008 12:08:03
HOW MUCH IS DRINK FOR OUR MSPS IN HOLLYROOD??ALL CHEAP I GUESS PAID FOR BY OUR TAX.. KENNY GET A LIFE LEAVE THE DECENT PEOLE OF SCOTLAND SOME ENJOYMENT..FREE TO ENJOY SOME LIFE..
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Greenhilljohn,

Glasgow 03/08/2008 12:23:00
I am a heavy drinker. A price rise will not put me off. I will get it cheap one way or another. Even if it is not cheap I will still drink the same. It would need to be an enormous price rise to have any effect. So all this will do is annoy most moderate drinkers and have no effect on problem drinkers
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Russell M,

Stirling 03/08/2008 12:28:10
Bullying the many for the sins of the few. That is what the British government, both right and left, both Westminster and its clone at Holyrood, are good at. They did it with the Firearms (Amendment) (No. 2) Act 1997. They want to do the same for air weapons and knives. Now they're doing it with alcohol.

"A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have."
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 03/08/2008 12:35:36
Typical Nanny Big State policy from the SNP/Labour consensus. The rest of us pay for those too feckless and lacking in self control to take responsibility for their own lives.
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jkr,

Lochwinnoch Greater Glasgow 03/08/2008 12:39:43
It would be a help to get rid of Buckfast. A few years ago we were in Devon and visited Buckfast Abbey which is a beautiful place. In the visitors shop they sold the wine. In the other villages we visited i did a rough survey of Spar and other like stores and none of them seemed at that time to stock Buckfast either on the shelf or behind the counter. Probably explains why there were no empties lying around like you see all over Scotland
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jkr,

Lochwinnoch Greater Glasgow 03/08/2008 12:40:37
It would be a help to get rid of Buckfast. A few years ago we were in Devon and visited Buckfast Abbey which is a beautiful place. In the visitors shop they sold the wine. In the other villages we visited i did a rough survey of Spar and other like stores and none of them seemed at that time to stock Buckfast either on the shelf or behind the counter. Probably explains why there were no empties lying around like you see all over Scotland
62

jkr,

Lochwinnoch Greater Glasgow 03/08/2008 12:41:11
It would be a help to get rid of Buckfast. A few years ago we were in Devon and visited Buckfast Abbey which is a beautiful place. In the visitors shop they sold the wine. In the other villages we visited i did a rough survey of Spar and other like stores and none of them seemed at that time to stock Buckfast either on the shelf or behind the counter. Probably explains why there were no empties lying around like you see all over Scotland
63

jkr,

Lochwinnoch Greater Glasgow 03/08/2008 12:41:42
It would be a help to get rid of Buckfast. A few years ago we were in Devon and visited Buckfast Abbey which is a beautiful place. In the visitors shop they sold the wine. In the other villages we visited i did a rough survey of Spar and other like stores and none of them seemed at that time to stock Buckfast either on the shelf or behind the counter. Probably explains why there were no empties lying around like you see all over Scotland
64

jkr,

Lochwinnoch Greater Glasgow 03/08/2008 12:43:37
It would be a help to get rid of Buckfast. A few years ago we were in Devon and visited Buckfast Abbey which is a beautiful place. In the visitors shop they sold the wine. In the other villages we visited i did a rough survey of Spar and other like stores and none of them seemed at that time to stock Buckfast either on the shelf or behind the counter. Probably explains why there were no empties lying around like you see all over Scotland
65

jkr,

Lochwinnoch Greater Glasgow 03/08/2008 12:44:05
It would be a help to get rid of Buckfast. A few years ago we were in Devon and visited Buckfast Abbey which is a beautiful place. In the visitors shop they sold the wine. In the other villages we visited i did a rough survey of Spar and other like stores and none of them seemed at that time to stock Buckfast either on the shelf or behind the counter. Probably explains why there were no empties lying around like you see all over Scotland
66

jkr,

Lochwinnoch Greater Glasgow 03/08/2008 12:44:06
It would be a help to get rid of Buckfast. A few years ago we were in Devon and visited Buckfast Abbey which is a beautiful place. In the visitors shop they sold the wine. In the other villages we visited i did a rough survey of Spar and other like stores and none of them seemed at that time to stock Buckfast either on the shelf or behind the counter. Probably explains why there were no empties lying around like you see all over Scotland
67

jkr,

Lochwinnoch Greater Glasgow 03/08/2008 12:48:13
Sorry for repeating myself!! a glitch in the computor!
68

Nellie,

Liverpool 03/08/2008 13:14:59
I understand the Mediterranean countries, and even France, drink more alcohol than us, but they don't go around causing trouble because of it, or making complete ar##s of themselves in the streets. Why is that? Don't they know what they are missing?
69

Nellie,

Liverpool 03/08/2008 13:17:07
jkr
Getaway with ya! That's not a computer glitch! You've started on the sherbet too soon in the morning! ;o)
70

calum,

03/08/2008 13:20:02
So after years of seminars, press conferences, conventions, photocalls, public awareness campaigns, "strategies to combat alcohol", overseas study trips, first class hotels (with bars), hot air, soundbites and miscellaneous hogwash, all that the parasitic wasters who masqueraded under the grand title of Drug and Alcohol Tsars could come up with to advise the Scottish Government was "Put the Price Up"!?!?!
Can we have our money back, please, Scottish Government? Drum these pontificating chancers out of town and get people in who know what they doing.
71

Nellie,

Liverpool 03/08/2008 13:59:37
#74 You're spot on the Bull's Eye, calum! Dead right.
72

It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 03/08/2008 14:29:50
My favourite quote is Freddie Star, "24 hour drinking is not enough".
73

Porry,

The Continent 03/08/2008 14:51:21
Alright, #17, doublescotch, "[..] about the tax you should know it is called a sin tax.That was what it was called when I grew up in Scotland. It was to keep the working-class down.It was all about control."

Or as the working-class rhyme here,
"The sunshine of the little man
is f***ing and a full beer can."

I'm afraid even though binge drinkers may be out of control in the eyes of the general public, in the end they are more easily controlled than those who limit themselves to what is generally regarded acceptable.
74

Norkay,

Outer Hebrides 03/08/2008 15:10:06
I agree with everyone who is against this iniquitous idea. I hate to bring up the OAP syndrom, but my husband and I have managed to survive to our 70s, now on pensions, and I see no reason why we shall have to pay more for our wines because of underage binge drinkers, there are enough laws to take of the problem. But, how about starting with making parents responsible for their children's actions? We were!
75

Media 1,

cape town 03/08/2008 15:13:59
Funny how the few are always able to change things for the many.

One in a thousand parents abuse their kids, so the government came up with a great idea. "ban smacking"
The result; a nation in which discipline is tossed out the window and kids running riot, whilst those same abusers are still abusing.

Now the same with drink. The result, the economy suffers because the majority of responsible drinkers stop buying alcohol and the binging nutters find whatever they can to get drunk.
76

Kenny A,

03/08/2008 16:16:01
51

Dont know what job you have or where you live but some people cannot afford fuel for heating or petrol never mind a drink.

Seperate supermarket lanes, your drunks just might not bother to buy food if they have to go in twice to buy something.

Again punishing the majority for the sins of the few.

Enforce existing regulation to sort out the problem cases instead of creating more pain for the rest of us.

I would also be interested in what you term a very cheap product because I cant think of a single thing that fits that catagory. Then again I am not a multi billionare who may look at the world that way.
77

Tarchin,

Lothian 03/08/2008 17:07:57
#78 Well said. Alcohol abuse is only one of the health issues that affects Scotland today, two others Obesity and smoking related illness also need to be addressed.
There is no 'quick fix' individual/parental resposibility would go a long way to ameliorating these problems. When he was Chancellor Gordon Brown raised the tax on tobacco by more than inflation on several occasions, this plus the banning of smoking in eclosed public places has led to a substantial reduction in tobacco consumption but not eliminated it.
Education of young children into the adverse effects of smoking, drinking and eating more than you require could be incorporated into the science curriculum at school.
78

Eve,

Scotland 03/08/2008 18:18:17
Oh dear it's shame so many people don't understand the deffintion of binge drinking.

"Its drinking more than 3 units or/and more 14 Units a week if yer a woman"

"Its drinking more than 4 units or/and more 21 Units a week if yer a man"

Sonds like something most people have done at lest twice in their life by the time their 21.

It's tends to be the older people who tend to be a wee bit naive when it comes to alcolic drinks they asume that drinks such as Beer, Wine etc are still the same strengh in alcohol that they were back in the 1970's. Which is no true.

Wines has went up in vol because of the raise in popularty of new world wines are natural higher in alchol content.

Beers are know availble in a larger varity of strenghts.

I've said it before and I'll say it again they way to get people to cut back on the amount of alcohol consumption is to ban supermarkets from selling alcoholic products or at very least a ban in selling any product that contains more than 3 units of alcohol.

I remeber when I was a wee lassie Safway had a bottel shop next door to the their supermarket. I rember that their bottel shop was allways full on a friday or Satuday afternoon BUT other days and time it was quite.

If you spearte the alcohol from the food people will be less like to sopontanusely purchase alcohol because the alchol would be in another shop out of site out of mind. Unless they make a consensce decsion to go in to the other shop to make the purchase.
79

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 03/08/2008 18:21:44
Since it seems that, as usual it's the young pi$$ artists who can't take their drink it might be useful for us old f**ts who can to have a two-stage pricing policy whaddya think? Say over 25 pay the normal price and the young alcoholistas pay twice as much - on production of the usual proof of age etc. that's sort them out and if not then a good public flogging.
80

Conan the Librarian™,

03/08/2008 18:36:07
82
You stay off the Meths then?

84
Brilliant idea; but let's take it a step forward, people over 50 pay half price and people over 75 quarter price.

For people of Charles Linskaill's age free:-)
81

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 03/08/2008 18:54:30

'Ha Ha' Conan ~85,

Very funny, for the last time, I am nowhere near 94, its all a figment of BW's imagination! :)

Even DYW is being had the cheek to say,..

"Im Surprised it still gets, ???" (works)
82

Fanling,

Switzerland 03/08/2008 19:13:51
#32 Boggle fey the Bog

Salient points re the taxation con. Dig up any subject, give it enough emotive press coverage, and an opportunist politician will be on the case tomorrow to find a reason for taxing it. Funny that neddery and other violent conduct seem always to be exempt. MacAskill has to go before he takes down the entire SNP edifice in his ongoing tax-it-all crusades.

Aye, what half-a-crown would buy back then ...!
83

doublescotch,

U.S.A. 03/08/2008 20:33:32
#77 You must be really Low-Class. I never heard that supposed rhyme in growing up in Scotland. Your rhyme was horribly ugly and not true.
84

carrottop,

Dumfries 04/08/2008 09:46:19
If the government was seen to do nothing certain people would moan, if the government does something the same people would moan that they got it wrong - seems like victory for the moaners.
Why dont the moaners say what they would do about the problem and then we could all moan at them.
85

Billy Boy,

Sherman Oaks California 05/08/2008 03:13:00
Does anyonerally believe they care about OTHER PEOPLE? This is just another way to raise money for themselves!

 

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