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Published Date: 05 October 2008
COUNCILS are in "open revolt" over the Scottish Government's plans for free school meals, it was claimed last night.
Education secretary Fiona Hyslop announced that all pupils in primaries one to three are to receive free school meals.

But no new money is being provided, with funding instead included in the overall local government settlement.

Labour said 12
of Scotland's 32 councils had now expressed concerns about how they would finance the scheme.

Ministers had previously run a £5m trial giving primary one to three pupils in five council areas free school lunches.

The concordat deal with councils had agreed if that was a success, legislation would be brought in to ensure all youngsters in primary one to three were entitled to free school meals from August 2010.

However, Labour fears it could cost councils up to £50m a year to provide the meals.

Labour education spokeswoman Rhona Brankin said: "Fiona Hyslop's credibility is in tatters. She has provoked an open revolt from local government, who are being asked to foot the bill for free school meals.

"I am demanding a guarantee that SNP ministers will not penalise councils who are unable to afford this."

One of the councils that expressed concerns about the funding of the free school meals is Edinburgh City Council, where there is a ruling Lib Dem/SNP coalition.

Lib Dem Marilyne MacLaren, the council's education convener, said: "We believe that the implementation of such a policy will be very difficult if insufficient additional money is available to fund it."

Mary Smith, the education chairman at South Lanarkshire Council, said: "Having to find the money to fund free school meals will put additional pressure on our education budget."

David O'Neill, the leader of North Ayrshire Council, warned that if the scheme was not fully funded by ministers there could be "serious repercussions for other services".

And East Renfrewshire Council leader Jim Fletcher said: "We would expect any new commitment on local authorities from the Scottish Government to come with additional funding. If we are instructed to find money from the education budget to pay for free school meals that would be money that could be better spent elsewhere."

Angus Council education convener Peter Nield said: "Goodness knows where the money is going to come from. We will have to cut something to pay for it."

The free school meals scheme has been welcomed by the local government body Cosla, with education spokeswoman Isabel Hutton explaining it was an agreed commitment in the concordat and funding was included in the overall local government settlement.

A spokesman for Hyslop accused Labour of making an "outrageous attack" on the policy and insisted local authorities already had the funds to deliver.

"The money is already there with councils," he said.





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  • Last Updated: 04 October 2008 9:41 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
 
1

AM2,

Scotland,UK 04/10/2008 23:11:24
The SNP's "historic concordat" looks ever more like a historic con.
2

subrosa,

05/10/2008 01:03:10
The money will come from the money that the Scottish government gave councils to proceed with this policy.

Councils shouted for more responsibility. John Swinney gave it to them along with his list, accompanied by the funding, of the policies that would be enacted.

If councils, aka councillors, are too incompetent to accept the funding in accordance with the concordat, then they are irresponsible and should be replaced. If councils want more freedom then they should start acting with some responsibility.

Pat Watters said on radio Scotland Friday night that there was no problem regarding the funding of this policy.

Perhaps it's time we all looked at the quality of councillors we're paying for. I know in my area that there are 4 I'd get rid of if I lived in their wards. Two are SNP and one who has held down a full time local government post while claiming he's a full time councillor. I have no labour councillors here so it's impossible to pass comment.

What happened to that labour councillor who owned a pub in the west, was landlord and also ran up a mileage alllowance bigger than going round the world 3 or was it 4 times?

Time we had genuine councillors who were in post for the good of their areas. I can dream can't I ...
3

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 05/10/2008 01:11:34


Worry! What Worry!?

Yes! Sniveling morons, that are only worried, if they pay for "School Meals", they might have to cut-back on their,.....

...'Champagne Breakfasts and Chauffeur Driven Cars', not foggeting their,...

''''SILK THONG'S!
4

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 05/10/2008 01:15:44


THE MONEY IS THERE!! STOP GIVING US THE PRETENCE!

THINK ABOUT THE WELFARE OF OUR CHILDREN, FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIVES!

OR IS THAT BEYOND COMPREHENSION,??
5

walter,

05/10/2008 02:54:38
I thought ringfencing was removed where the council spent the money they received on what the government said it was to be spent on.
6

Guga II,

Rockall 05/10/2008 06:07:11
#1 AM Squared.

I assume that all the time you spend on your rabid right-wing blog has affected your eyesight. Try reading the following paragraph again:

"The free school meals scheme has been welcomed by the local government body Cosla, with education spokeswoman Isabel Hutton explaining it was an agreed commitment in the concordat and funding was included in the overall local government settlement."

7

AM2,

Scotland,UK 05/10/2008 07:51:11
#6 Guga

My "rabid right-wing blog"?! Hmm. Didn't you like your mention?
http://www.scottishunionist.com/search?q=Guga

As for Isabel Hutton's comments, they only serve to demonstrate that COSLA still hasn't realised, or doesn't want to admit, that their members have been conned. Ringfencing hasn't actually been removed in the sense that the councils thought they were accepting, has it?
8

Walter Ego,

Durness 05/10/2008 08:00:57
It's the end of the road for the SNP's "concordat" and their Council Tax freeze.
9

Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 05/10/2008 08:32:51
The concordat is available in full at -
http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Resource/Doc/923/0054147.pdf
If councillors are not aware of its contents then we wonder if we are paying them too much for their limited ability.
10

Guga II,

Rockall 05/10/2008 09:27:06
#7 AM Squared.

Obviously that article in your rabid right-wing blog was written by yourself. I am impressed that you have seen fit to reprint my statements of fact.

Talking of your blog, you still haven't answered my question, of some time ago, as to why you don't have your own Northern Ireland flag along with the Saltire, the EU flag and the Butcher's Apron, at the top of your blog. Also, have you got something against the Welsh, or are you just being racist?

As to your statement that the Cosla members have been conned, do you think, as pointed out by #9 that they are of such limited ability as to be unable to understand the concordat? Moreover, does you generalised implication that Scottish councillors have limited mental ability also apply to English, Welsh and even your own Norther Irish councillors, or are you just being racist against the Scots, again?
11

Finnzz,

Offshore 05/10/2008 09:44:59
Well the report by Edinburgh City Council of 20th Dec 2007 and signed by the chief executive Tom Aitchison specifies in plain language the following :-

"local authorities will provide free school meals to all P1 to P3 pupils from August 2010"

Nothing appears underhand or confusing about that, does it.
And why no squealing about the costs before now.

12

brownlie,

05/10/2008 09:58:08
8 Walter

Let's look at those, claimed by this paper, to oppose this scheme. They quote three Labour councillors and two Lib/Dem councillors so no surprise there.

What is surprising is that they have not read the concordat or do not seem to be aware of it's contents?

They, also, apparently do not talk to those who represent them at Cosla.

It is interesting and significant to note the political affiliations of those who signed the concordat on behalf of all local authorities in Scotland.

Labour said that 12 out of the 32 councils "have now expressed their concerns". This paper does not list these council nor does it list what parties run these councils. Are we being led to believe that 12 different council are unaware of this concordat and it's contents?
13

Boy Wonder,

05/10/2008 09:59:27
They shouldn't be asking where the money's coming from ... they should be helping find it!!!
14

bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 05/10/2008 11:02:09
Come on Labourtorires, confirm when the Glenrothes bye-election will be held?

What is it that you are afraid of?
15

bus user,

edinburgh 05/10/2008 11:58:49
The Concordat was signed by COSLA on behalf of its constituent Local Authorities, many of which are, for the time being, Labour-controlled. If the Councils are now crying 'foul', did they not read what COSLA was going to sign on their behalf? I think some things should be ring-fenced by government - the £1.5Bn backlog in local authority controlled road maintenance being one of those - but I accept that this won't happen under present arrangements. So, now that the lunatics have the key of the asylum, why don't they just use it, instead of looking for a bigger key? And while they're at it, they could take a long hard look at the non-productive use of council funds on allegedly socially worthwhile projects and get back to the essentials of running a city/town/village/county.
16

W U Merchant,

Aberdeen 05/10/2008 12:10:10
7/8

AM2/Walter Ego, I agree entirely. The SNP conned the councils and the so called concordat (pretentious or what?) is now dead in the water. And we'll now get a whopper of a council tax increase.
17

,

05/10/2008 12:35:23
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18

dude,

wishaw 05/10/2008 12:38:43
No one was conned by this concordat, are the people who signed this document complicit in this con, dont think so, so the only possible answer is that they thought 'lets sign this and when it comes around we will cry foul and blame the SNP for withholding money'

A typical lie/lib/tory move that the majority of poeple in Scotland know about now, change the record.
19

GM,

05/10/2008 12:58:04
@16

lets just take your comment and deconstruct it -

"AM2/Walter Ego, I agree entirely"

a bad start

"The SNP conned the councils"

so the big bad SNP are *that* good that they can take an agreement and con 32 high ranking officials and a host of others in local authority/COSLA. Amazing stuff.

"the so called concordat (pretentious or what?)"

its a bad sign when you get down to criticisms of semantics or what an agreement is actually called.

"...is now dead in the water."

nope, it has and is still welcomes by COSLA.

"And we'll now get a whopper of a council tax increase."

wager?
just another piece of negative scaremongering of what might happen now the big bad SNP are in charge. Remind me of how the council tax has changed since its inception under labour administrations? I can't recall any downward movement or freezes - maybe you can point the out?




So in essence, thank you for making a contribution, but its pretty clear it was weak, untrue, negative and contains nothing of any substance.

cheers.
20

calum,

05/10/2008 14:29:03
I've just watched Marilyne MacLaren on the Politics Show and she was woefully out her depth. Under questioning which was not particularly hard, she looked like a rabbit caught in the headlights and, coupled with her mishandling of several Education issues within Edinburgh, must provide more evidence that she is simply not up to the job of Education Convenor in Edinburgh.
As has been said before, a politician who was better in opposition than in office, because most of her inner sanctum of friends, trustees and supporters have retired from the Police, City Development, Education and Planning.
21

Finnzz,

Offshore 05/10/2008 15:00:14
#20

Yes she appeared to be in denial, firstly refusing to admit that all LAs had actually agreed to the Concordat and then when corrected on that claimed the 'credit crunch' and the price of oil was now responsible for all her financial woes.

22

The_Reiver,

05/10/2008 20:44:49
The problem is no one knows where the money is coming from not even the Right Dishonourable Alexander Elliot Anderson Salmond.
23

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 05/10/2008 22:02:24
I am sick and tired of councils whinging about funds and 'where is the money coming from' moans !

If councils actually got their act together and operated at even a tenth of the efficiency of an equivalent private sector firm they would find they literarily had billions of extra pounds between them all.

ALL of the nations councils, bar not one(!), are criminally inefficient and bogged down in so much self made red tape that it does take ten people to do one persons job. On top of that they have thousands of ancillary 'non core' services which nobody but gay, one legged, fruitarian, dole junkies would notice if the 'service' was terminated -- travelling ethnic libraries ? Why?

Take planning departments - they always say 'no' to start off with simply because if they said 'yes' it would be far less work for them and they'd have to fire a whole load of staff - how is that in the public interest ?

Take - social workers - most of them actually don't want subjects to be rehabilitated or to gets jobs - if they did the social worker doesn't have a job (that IS the way they think - I have heard it first hand!)

These are just two glaring examples amongst thousands. But the main money waster is simply the fact that councils have forgotten about their duty to serve the public. They have been allowed to develop into institutions that infact are fast serving no purpose at all except being a place where the unemployable can be employed and egotistical council leaders can live our their fantasies about being an 'important' person with 'power' ...

It will not be long until the provosts and council leaders start building themselves mausoleums at our expense - they ACTUALLY do think they are that important ! Sad really ....


Councils need to look inward and start building surplus.
24

57vintage,

Keith 06/10/2008 16:14:43
Is there not a case of double standards here?

Councils who question a settlement (and have been forced into freezing Council Tax) are "whingers" and should find the money.

The Westminster Block Grant however, is fair game for whingeing.

Government ain't so easy as carping from the sidelines in opposition is it.

Since I'd vote for none of the major parties on offer and will very likely have to spoil my paper again, I look down on all this and smile....
25

Westfield Bairns,

falkirk 09/10/2008 00:18:15
The Councils have been given the money so what are they moaning about, deal with it,that's what their paid for. I admit times are hard but it's the same for everyone

 

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