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Published Date: 26 October 2008
THEY are the fastest growing type of wedding in Scotland, but God is definitely not invited.
A surge in Humanist marriages means they have overtaken Episcopal ceremonies for the first time.

Such is the rise in popularity of non-religious unions that the Humanist Society of Scotland (HSS) predicts they will outnumber Catholic weddings wi
thin two years.

Since they were first made legal in Scotland the number of Humanist marriages have risen from 82 in 2005 to 710 last year.

Now the society has revealed that it expects to marry more than 1,000 couples this year and predicts it will help 1,500 more to tie the knot in 2009.

These increases mean that Humanist wedding numbers have almost certainly leapfrogged those of the Scottish Episcopal Church, which hosted 758 marriages in 2007, and brings them close to the 1,953 of the Catholic Church in Scotland.

Last year the Church of Scotland carried out 8,000 weddings, but like all of the main Christian denominations its numbers have declined year on year.

Humanists espouse living a moral life without religious or supernatural beliefs, and couples looking to marry require only to express a faith in each other.

HSS spokesman Gordon Ross said: "We are absolutely delighted by the incredible progress we have made in such a short period of time.

"We expect our weddings will break the 1,000 barrier in 2008 and with many hundreds of weddings already booked for next year we expect to marry 1,500 couples next year.

"It means we are going to hold more weddings than the Episcopalians this year and at the rate things are going we are confident we will be able to overtake the Catholic Church by 2010."

But Ross said that the organisation had become a victim of its own success. "Our biggest problem now is how we are going to cope with the demand," he said. "We are training as many celebrants, who carry out the weddings, as we can."

Food writer and voiceover artist Juliet Wilson and her husband Tim decided to become celebrants after they were married in a Humanist wedding.

The 33-year-old from Edinburgh said: "We were so touched by the ceremony and by Humanism in general that we want to play a part in it.

"Our ceremonies are very personal. We encourage couples to express what marriage and commitment means to them so it is very meaningful and enjoyable."

Best-selling novelist Christopher Brookmyre, who is president of the HSS, felt that the increase in Humanist weddings was largely down to their greater availability.

He said: "For a long time lots of people got married in religious ceremonies because that was how things had always been done or to keep their families happy. Now that this option is open to them lots of people who aren't particularly religious are considering Humanist ceremonies.

"People are realising that you can have weddings with more of a resonance and sense of occasion without having to inject the supernatural into the equation."

However, the former practising Catholic was reluctant to be drawn on the idea of Humanist weddings overtaking those of some Christian denominations, saying: "I don't want to look at this as a league table."

A spokeswoman for the Scottish Episcopal Church pointed out that the official wedding figures would not be released by the General Register Office for Scotland until the end of the year, but said they were working hard to broaden their appeal.

She said: "Earlier this year we were the first Scottish church to take part in the Scottish Wedding Show. We have also reviewed our marriage liturgy to create a balance about what the Church wants to say about God's love and what couples getting married want to say about their love and commitment to one another."

The Catholic Church in Scotland was sceptical about the HSS's claims, stating: "Christian marriages are currently well ahead of Humanist ceremonies and in reality are likely to remain so for the foreseeable future."

A Church of Scotland spokesman said: "We still consider there is something beautiful and profound about two people wanting to commit to each other in the sight of God and we believe that they will continue to want to do so."

The HSS is also considering the idea of running a publicity campaign on the sides of buses in Glasgow and Edinburgh.

Last week the British Humanist Association paid £40,000 for signs stating "There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life" on 30 buses in London.

Taking the moral high ground

A guide to Humanist weddings


Scotland is the only UK country, and one of only six in the world, where Humanist weddings are legal. Although Humanist ceremonies are classified by the Registrar General of Scotland as a form of religious marriage, the belief system is secular. Adherents believe in living moral and worthwhile lives guided by reason and compassion and a shared humanity.

Humanist wedding ceremonies do not require to take place in a licensed venue and can be carried out anywhere deemed "safe and dignified". This has led to marriages being held in locations ranging from Edinburgh Zoo to the top of Ben Nevis.

Couples write their own wedding vows.





The full article contains 884 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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zeno,

www.thinkhumanism.com 26/10/2008 00:48:03
"Last week the British Humanist Association paid £40,000 for signs stating "There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life" on 30 buses in London."

This is completely wrong. If your reporter had taken just a few minutes to investigate, he would have discovered that, after an article on the Guardian's CiF website on Wednesday, donations to the campaign came pouring in and in three days, exceeded £100,000. It was always the intention for the bus advert campaign to run from January, so the British Humanist Association (www.humanism.org.uk) has not paid £40,000 for any signs - yet. Since the amount raised has far exceeded expectations, the BHA are planning a larger advertising campaign all over the country (including Scotland).

To find out about the campaign, visit www.atheistcampaign.org or www.thinkhumanism.com.

To donate, visit http://www.justgiving.com/atheistbus

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summer_sun,

Kelso 26/10/2008 01:12:10
The atheist bus campaign is fantastic and has already succeeded in its intention of bringing a smile to our faces. It's great to hear they've raised enough to extend it to the rest of the UK. Well done to the British Humanist Association and everyone else involved.

I just hope they can come up with a few more slogans in response to the endlessly parroted verses that the bible-thumpers use in place of in place of original wisdom.
3

JaE_in_Oz,

Oz 26/10/2008 06:10:31
Good to hear that Scotland is catching up with modern marriage laws, Scots law usually leads the world by about 400 years.
In Australia a couple can employ a civil marriage celebrant, write their own promises and get married anywhere they want within reason. My wife and I did this over 25 years ago.
4

weeshooie1,

Wollongong 26/10/2008 06:49:02
JaE_in_Oz, #3,

Yeah, us too. The best thing we ever did. It was so casual and happy and a great time was had by all. In fact, just yesterday, we were invited to our oldest grandson's place for an engagement party, imagine our surprise when, instead of an engagement, it was a wedding. Another great time without hassles.
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Big Carbon Footprint,

Edinburgh 26/10/2008 09:54:35
I'm not surprised by this one bit, this Country really is going to the pits.
Oh yes many will say this is great news but how about a reality check, look at what's happening to society, think its a great place to live now and in the future.
Everyone is now an individual, screw the rest of you I want what I 'deserve' screw the consequences.

Of course in these times of economic crisis many of you people will still go on the spending bender in the 'spirit' of Christmas.
Spare a thought for those less fortunate who are struggling day to day, we really have forgotten about the weak and needy people in this society.

Oh yes you will say religion sucks and all that jazz, but have a thought if a person does hold this message key to their life outlook how about some respect? The person standing on the street corner who doesn't have to be there but knows its their duty to make the lives of those less fortunate here or abroad that little bit better, would rather have support but as I see alot the usual mindless rant, 'stupid bible basher'

I'm not the type to preach to you saying do this do that, just how about thinking more about where we are and where we are going, there is still hope.
6

agatha,

26/10/2008 10:37:03
I'm puzzled why, if you don't want to be married "in the sight of God" you want to bother at all. And why a humanist wedding is better/different from a wedding in a registry office? Better opportunity to wear a fancy frock perhaps?

And the "atheist" slogan cracks me up - there's probably no God? Probably? giving God a capital letter? - you just can't get the athiests these days!
7

Dave,

Western Isles 26/10/2008 11:01:54
So we are to listen to non religious dogma now instead of religious dogma?

Replace one type of crud with another?
8

oder,

Scotland 26/10/2008 11:10:24
8 Dave,Western Isles

spot on Dave!
9

Maria,

www.thinkhumanism.com 26/10/2008 11:12:38
agatha, it isn't rocket science. People get married because they want to make a formal and public commitment to *each other* as a way of expressing their love for each other. As for why a humanist wedding is better than a civil one, it's a shame that the article isn't clearer about this but the hints are there. Unlike civil ceremonies, humanist ceremonies are highly personalised and have a great deal of input from the couple. My husband and I wrote our own ceremony in its entirety and, rather than have a Civil wedding in the UK (humanist ceremonies had no legal status then), we travelled to Florida where we could have exactly the ceremony we wanted - one that reflected our personalities, tastes and humanist values (another thing a civil ceremony wouldn't do). Finally, we got married in the location of our dreams - a beautiful deserted beach. How many civil weddings have you heard of like that?

One of the main objectives of the atheist bus campaign was to make people smile and I'm glad it's succeeded with you. God with a capital letter is a convention that indicates the god being referred to is the Abrahamic God because it's faith in this god more than any other that is causing so much misery and suffering in the world today. As for 'probably', this means that in all likelihood there is no god but, unlike theists, we don't make categorical assertions that we can't prove. What's important is making the most of the one life we can know we have.

Hope that clarifies.

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Dave,

Western Isles 26/10/2008 11:34:58
Yes Maria, that clarifies my comment perfectly.

Thank you for your fervered dogma.
11

Maria,

www.thinkhumanism.com 26/10/2008 12:10:31
Dave

Glad to be of help but may I respectfully suggest that you consult a dictionary and discover the meaning of the word 'dogma'. I've no idea what your point is but misusing words in this way just makes you look a bit thick.
12

zeno,

www.thinkhumanism.com 26/10/2008 12:13:55
Dave

I don't know where you get this idea about non-religious dogma from or why you think what Maria said was 'fevered dogma'.

The advert could have said something like 'There is no god/gods...', but that would have been dogmatic. The usual mistake made is to assume that, because god may or may not exist, that the probability is half way between these two extremes, ie 50%. However, this is fallacious reasoning. The probability that god/gods exist is, as far as I'm concerned, infinitesimally small: other atheists and agnostics may have different views on this probability, but all would cite very small probabilities.

To say that there *definitely* is a god and that there *definitely* is a hell where all non-believers are destined (as we are continually being told by religionists), is where the dogma lies.
13

Delphinian,

Delphi 26/10/2008 13:30:36
Zeno

Thought you were doing quite well there until you started talking about the odds on god existing.

It is simply not possible to know. When athiests start banging on about probability (like Dawkins with his teapot in space), they put me in mind of theists banging on about creation. Difficult to take either seriously.

Bottom line is we don't know, and we can't find out. Maybe we'll find out when we die, or maybe we'll just fade away.

Enjoying yourself meantime, is certainly a good idea though.


14

zeno,

www.thinkhumanism.com 26/10/2008 13:48:46
Delphinian

Thanks for your comment.

You said: "It is simply not possible to know."

I thought that was what I was saying. However, that doesn't mean that I can't make an educated guess at the probability. Looking at the evidence and the lack of it, I have come to a judgement (as have many other atheists) that there is no evidence to support a god hypothesis and I can see no reason why there needs to be a god. Once I've done this, I can live my life accordingly. If I had come to the conclusion that there was a good probability that the evidence does point to there being a god, then I would also live my life accordingly.

I don't really see the connection with creationism: creationists understand little about science and probabilities. They simply assert (without any evidence) that life without a creator is totally impossible.

Perhaps we will all find out when we die but I choose to live without the fear of eternal damnation in hell and without the 'reward' of an eternal 'life' in heaven.

I'm glad you think the campaign is a good idea!
15

summer_sun,

Kelso 26/10/2008 13:55:40
# Big Carbon Footprint,

"I'm not surprised by this one bit, this Country really is going to the pits."

What has that got to do with atheist slogans? Everyone has always been an individual - it isn't a new thing - but recognising that people are individuals doesn't mean saying 'screw the consequences'. How dare you assume that we aren't all doing our bit to make the lives of those less fortunate that little bit better because I can assure you that's what I've been spending the best part of my life doing!


"How about some respect?"

Respect for what? Religious people don't respect the fact that I don't want religion shoved in my face and I don't want to fund religious indoctrination for other people's children. The fact that some religionists do good works doesn't make their attempt to impose their beliefs on other people any more excusable.
16

Calum Crubag,

26/10/2008 15:00:34
Good. Hope Scotland shows the way in turning backs on religion and emracing reason and common sense instead of ancient mumbo-jumbo.

And STOP religious observance in schools. Teach kids to think and to enquire not just let soak up unprovable and fantastic fantasies of gods and miracles.
17

zeno,

www.thinkhumanism.com 26/10/2008 15:06:31
Calum

Of course, parents can withdraw their child from Religious Observance and Religious and Moral Education and students 16 or over can withdraw themselves from Religious Observance - they don't have to put up with the mumbo-jumbo.

There's some excellent advice and template letters for withdrawal on the Think Humanism website at http://www.thinkhumanism.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=2275.
18

Canada,

Canada 26/10/2008 17:30:33
When people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing. They believe in anything.
19

zeno,

www.thinkhumanism.com 26/10/2008 17:39:48
Canada: Where did you get that pithy saying from?
20

Scimitar1,

26/10/2008 18:48:09
This is what the left want in their quest for a pluralist trans-Governmental society. They have already severely damaged the family unit, and society at large.Breaking down religion is the next step in achieving this. As a hitherto non practicing christian , I will be returning to the church.

"Wherever an altar is found, there civilization exists."

Joseph De Maistre
1753-1821, French Diplomat, Philosopher
21

Calum Crubag,

26/10/2008 19:20:17
Zeno - parents can but things are the wrong way around. Parents should apply to opt in to rel. obs. With only 1 in 10 folk, families even less, going to church, why should taxpayers fund the fantasies of a minority?

RME is ok. I've no problem learning about the beleifs of others as long as it's properly debated and not pumped into kids heads as 'fact'.
22

zeno,

www.thinkhumanism.com 26/10/2008 19:30:34
Calum

I entirely agree with you about RO (although why there should be ANY RO in a state-funded school is a moot point - schools should be for education). Until it is abolished, we'll have to make do with withdrawal from it.

RME is OK to an extent, but it depends entirely on how it is taught. One thing that is wrong is the obfuscation of religion with morality.
23

danbob,

26/10/2008 22:09:52
News of the humanist rise, is music to the ears of those of us who have studied and understand the bible. This was predicted in the bible and it is proof that the prophecies are coming true. Notice how the bus campaign says (PROBABLY no God) Also consider that in the world war trenches there were no athiests, everybody was praying to survive. We think we are infalable and know best. But man cannot and will never solve the ills of the world.

(Matthew chapter 24 verse 6)
You are going to hear of wars and reports of wars; see that you are not terrified. For these things must take place, but the end is not yet. 7 “For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. 8 All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress. 9 “Then people will deliver you up to tribulation and will kill you, and you will be objects of hatred by all the nations on account of my name. 10 Then, also, many will be stumbled and will betray one another and will hate one another. 11 And many false prophets will arise and mislead many; 12 and because of the increasing of lawlessness the love of the greater number will cool off. 13 But he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved. 14 And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come


3 But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, self-assuming, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, 3 having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, 4 betrayers, headstrong, puffed up [with pride], lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power; and from these turn away. 6 For from these arise those men who
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danbob,

26/10/2008 22:12:54
(Cont) slyly work their way into households and lead as their captives weak women loaded down with sins, led by various desires, 7 always learning and yet never able to come to an accurate knowledge of truth.(2 Timothy chapter 3 verse 1-5)

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zeno,

www.thinkhumanism.com 27/10/2008 01:17:24
danbob: what a load of nonsense.
26

Ross,

Athens 27/10/2008 07:09:32
Yes i think Scotland is quite a modern country reguarding marriage issues. I got married a month ago to my Greek wife in Athens and bloody hell (no offense) the Greeks are miles behind.
We wanted to have a ceremony and celebrate our day and investigated the civil wedding which we done and this only took 5 minutes but we had to do as this was the only one recognised by Greek law. We looked into the Orthadox wedding but i had to learn a ancient greek poem and be christined Orthadox. I don't believe in god anyway so would not do that. So finally i agreed to have a ceremony in the Anglican church here in Athens as all my family and friends came from Scotland but even this was not recognised by Greek law.
27

Dave,

Western Isles 27/10/2008 07:31:35
Gee

Looking at the comments in response to mine is like listening to a priest or minister banging on about God.

Again, thanks for your fervered dogma.

I will turn my back to you too.
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Dave,

Western Isles 27/10/2008 07:33:45
Oh, BTW re: dogma. It means the following:

1. a system of principles or tenets, as of a church.
2. a specific tenet or doctrine authoritatively laid down, as by a church: the dogma of the Assumption.
3. prescribed doctrine: political dogma.
4. a settled or established opinion, belief, or principle.


I was quite correct to highlight your "dogma" with regards your brand of semi-religion.
29

hertscot,

27/10/2008 10:09:59
danbob,
Which version of the bible are you quoting from?
I only ask because there seems to be some rather significant text missing, including the references to the Christ.
30

Maria,

www.thinkhumanism.com 27/10/2008 12:32:11
Dave

Nice try but you haven't actually highlighted any 'dogma' in anything I've said. You've simply claimed that is is there which, as I pointed out previously, just makes you look thick.

If you want your views to have any credibility, you need to be specific. Read my post and point to where you see any example of any of the criteria that you have quoted as defining dogma.

Humanism isn't a religion or even a semi-religion. There is no "system of principles or tenets" no "authoritative or prescribed doctrine", no "settled or established opinion or belief". There are no gurus, no scriptures, no churches, temples or rituals.

I suggest you do your homework properly before making any more petulant little hit-and-run posts.








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Martin Hughes,

Oxford 27/10/2008 13:12:03
Maria,
I love you.
32

Green,

Dundee 28/10/2008 13:54:41
Religious observance

Unlike England, Scotland has no ‘collective worship’ requirement, but we do still retain Religious Observance practices. In the past ten years or so most secondary non-denominational schools were increasingly ignoring RO (kids weren’t interested), but a few years back some religious authorities complained about the dereliction of RO practices, so the Labour government established a Religious Observance Panel to:

write-up policy and practice documents
ensure RO was ‘inclusive’
monitor RO implementation in schools

The Humanist Academy had a one representative (in 20) on this panel and what resulted was a much watered down version of what was first proposed. Sadly, the consensus was to retain the odd ‘Religious Observance’ label, but the content is not always as insidious as the phrase implies, e.g. the guidelines state each Secondary school must have at least six instances of RO a year.

Secondary schools are pretty secular in their approach to RO, many opting simply for a story with a moral theme, sometimes adding a short period for reflection where pupils may pray silently - if they wish. But there are some teachers (especially up north) who squeeze in as many Christian rituals as they can get away with. The RO panel supervised the RO scheme for two years, but in 2007, it was disbanded. Now most expect schools to quickly revert to the RO negligent attitudes they held before they were monitored.

Primary Schools
In primaries the situation is complicated. Pupils have one teacher for all subjects and the RME/RO component is delivered in whichever lessons permit. The amount of time given to promoting religion really depends on the teacher’s worldview – and, on how (s)he interprets the guidelines. So, religion can either be taught on a ‘some people believe’ model, or the Christian model can be taken for granted with rituals and stories permeating each and every subject. For young children, encouragement from authoritative figu
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Green,

Dundee 28/10/2008 13:57:22
Religious Observance (cont.)

So, religion can either be taught on a ‘some people believe’ model, or the Christian model can be taken for granted with rituals and stories permeating each and every subject. For young children, encouragement from authoritative figures like teachers to take part in plays such as Noah’s Ark or the Nativity can imply that such beliefs and practices are normal and respected.

In many primaries caring teachers deliver excellent inclusive assemblies sometimes only with a nod in the direction of religion. But there are still some who want to teach ‘traditional Christian ethics’ at every turn. And religious leaders are keen that the RME/RO element in primaries is emphasised, even in the ‘early years’ from 3 onwards.

All this makes choices difficult for parents because although they have a legal right to withdraw their child, when religious references turn up in almost every lesson, they are unlikely (and couldn’t possibly) withdraw them from everything. So depending on the school ethos, the present structure of RME/RO in primaries can often work against balanced education and in favour of religion – which might even breach the Human Right of parents and children under the Human Rights Act 1998. This provides that children should not be exposed to religious indoctrination, and the school should organise its work so that that cannot happen without the parent’s consent (or older children’s). An example would be bringing in religious speakers to talk to children without their parents knowing, and being informed if those speakers will ‘preach’ their religion, or present information in a neutral and challengeable way.

 

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