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Published Date:
10 December 2006
BBC Scotland has been accused by an influential culture watchdog of dumbing down, with too much football, listener phone-ins and poor presenters high on the list of complaints about its £180m a year output.
In an unprecedented move which is certain to embarrass corporation bosses, members of the Saltire Society are to debate the state of the national broadcaster this week.

Its concerns are so severe and far-reaching that a summit with BBC Scotland b
osses and public meetings throughout the country are being considered. And it is feared the situation will only get worse with further job and budget cuts planned in the next three years.

Members of the Saltire Society, which was established in the 1930s to safeguard Scotland's arts, literature, music, history and environment, believe broadcasting chiefs are failing licence fee payers, with inadequate television and radio programmes.

BBC Scotland defended its output last night, but broadcasters and leading cultural commentators disagreed, with the national radio station, Radio Scotland, accused of "losing its soul".

At a private meeting of the Saltire Society this Thursday, Paul Scott, the group's vice-chairman, will argue that the entire television and radio schedule needs an overhaul.

He said: "There are serious questions to be asked about some of BBC Scotland's output. Reporting Scotland often concentrates on trivial items and seems parochial and not very original. It is also absurd that Reporting Scotland follows a programme based in England and almost totally devoted to English news.

"We need a programme that allows Scots to see the world through Scottish eyes."

Radio Scotland is also failing to inspire, claims Scott. "It used to be a much better station," he said. "There is more and more football and less of everything else. Good Morning Scotland also seems to have gone down-market."

Only Newsnight Scotland is pulling its weight - and then at the wrong time - according to Scott. He added: "It's the best thing we have. A proper, intelligent programme asking intelligent questions about serious issues. But it is on very late and not for very long."

Ken Munro, Scotland's former representative to the European Commission and chairman of the Saltire Society's international committee, added to the criticism. He said: "Clear communication on a popular level is one thing. Populism is an entirely different matter and too often Radio Scotland moves from good communication to populism."

Last night, BBC insiders admitted there was widespread concern about the quality of programmes. The corporation has already been forced to cut 195 jobs north of the Border - about 42 of which were in news and current affairs - as part of a 15% reduction in posts across the country. However, the news and current affairs budget, thought to be around £20m, faces a further 10% cut in the next three years.

A former BBC Scotland presenter claimed its television documentary unit, Frontline, was letting standards slip.

The source said: "It is supposed to be a serious, investigative programme but their feature on Hairmyres Hospital last week consisted of two staged interviews with an NHS official and an Edinburgh University academic. The rest of it was just general footage. It was not the documentary they claimed it to be."

Jeff Zycinski, Radio Scotland's controller, was also criticised.

One BBC producer, speaking on condition of anonymity, said: "He's trying to popularise the station to the point that it's losing its soul. Why has he this obsession with football? Doesn't he realise that the BBC traditionally prides itself on specialised programming? Aren't we supposed to be offering the taxpayer something different that contributes to the cultural progress of Scottish society? This man has no vision or sense of national responsibility. Questions must be asked."

Professor Tom Devine, an authority on the history of modern Scotland and author of the best-selling book The Scottish Nation, backed the Saltire Society's concerns.

Devine, holder of the Sir William Fraser Chair of Scottish History at the University of Edinburgh, said: "My main concern is Radio Scotland. There is a lack of authority and gravitas among several presenters on news programmes, a weakness compounded by a tendency to unrelenting jauntiness and couthy humour, obsession with a phone-in culture based on the pseudo-democratic but essentially post-modernist idea that everybody's opinion is worth listening to no matter how crazed."

However, David Hutchison, a research fellow in media policy at Glasgow Caledonian University, argued that BBC Scotland had an extremely difficult job to do, particularly after losing the battle over a 'Scottish Six' - the proposal that Scotland opted out of the networked 6pm news to deliver its own programme.

Hutchison said: "Drama is also very expensive and they seem to have put a lot of money into their soap opera [River City] and that has limited dramatic output. It's also easy to criticise Radio Scotland, but it has a limited budget compared with Radio 4 yet has to produce a complete service in a crowded marketplace. Jeff Zycinski is never going to satisfy everyone and you could argue that the obsession with football predates him."

A BBC Scotland spokesman denied allegations that its content had been dumbed down.

He said: "We have to provide a very broad range of programmes and services for a hugely diverse audience.

"Recent output reflecting Scotland's heritage includes Enlightenment, King of Scots, Scotland's History and Mod 2006, while forthcoming programmes will focus on the tri-centenary of the Union.

"It is not true to say there is more and more football at the expense of our other output as our weeknight Sportsound programmes are on medium wave only, leaving non-football fans to tune in to our arts and specialised music output on FM.

"Reaching as wide an audience as possible is an important aspiration and the most recent audience research figures saw an increase to 939,000 listeners to Radio Scotland, while the number of hours listeners tuned in each week also increased."

For: Rare talents producing gems


WHEN devolution happened, BBC Scotland had an injection of cash to increase political coverage.

Since then, the emphasis has changed. Increased cash coming in to Scotland has begun to fund new and different programmes in the non-news schedule. There is now much more to Scottish radio and TV than the ritual, tired exchanges between journalists and politicians.

From mid-morning till midnight there are some gems on Radio Scotland. Billy Kay's scholarly research has introduced me to parts of Scottish history and culture I'd never dreamt existed. Iain Anderson offers a delightfully unpredictable mix of music old and new. Edi Stark has the courage to ask questions which get under the skin of her subjects. And John Cavanagh's Songlines is a masterpiece.

On television, BBC Scotland has commissioned against the grain.

It has defied the network obsession with increasingly absurd reality formats and won significant audiences for traditional observational documentaries which respect the intelligence of the viewer and challenge political cliché with stories of the real issues of Scotland's people. And surely the huge audiences that come regularly to the self-deprecating humour of Still Game or Tam Cowan are as good an expression of cultural self-confidence as you could ask for.

David Strachan is joint managing director of Tern TV, an independent production company based in Aberdeen, Glasgow and Belfast

DAVID STRACHAN

Against: A cacophony of chatter


TUNE in to BBC Scotland and you will find it impossible to get any sense of who we are. It is a service lacking in identity, awkward and insecure in tone and utterly devoid of authority.

I have three radios in close proximity as I prepare for the day. I am awakened by Good Morning Scotland, which presents a cacophony of chatter as it veers between presentational styles, neither succeeding as a tabloid of the airwaves nor as a serious informative programme. Consequently, having caught the essential Scottish headlines, I spend the next hour wandering between the bathroom and the kitchen listening to Radio 4 and balancing what I don't want (the minutiae of cricket) with the heavyweight political and international coverage which I do.

In the evening I turn to Radio 4 again, for Radio Scotland can only offer five minutes on the day's events before wallowing in football or popular music.

Television does little better. Newsnight Scotland has carved out a distinctive place, but the lack of a single substantive extended television news bulletin from Scotland which is focused on where we are but which also reflects the world remains an outrage. After eight years of devolution BBC Scotland's bosses are still failing their country and their audience.

Mike Russell is a former Nationalist MSP and culture spokesman

MIKE RUSSELL



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1

AJ,

Fife 10/12/2006 01:12:13

Ok, there's nae edge tae it, but Tom Morton likes Aberfeldy and Colin Macintyre, so it's no aw bad!

2

Peter Cherbi,

Edinburgh 10/12/2006 01:21:00

Newsnight Scotland is pulling it's weight .. Laugh at that one !

BBC Radio is a whole lot better these days .. a lot less biased too when it comes to issues of importance.

3

AJ,

Fife 10/12/2006 01:26:43

Peter#2

Every time there's a half decent story on Newsnight, Newsnight Scotland jumps in and ruins it!

4

The Strategist,

10/12/2006 01:42:57

Too much football... Yep, just like the Scotsman and SoS..... There's so much more to sport in Scotland than just football...

Personally I'm a motor racing supporter and spend a lot of time at Knockhill... The quality of driving there is some of the best around but the BBC never report on it and actually neither do the main newspapers....

5

Colkitto,

10/12/2006 02:12:33

Why attack the BBC ? STV is a million times worse. Lord McDonald must still have alot of influence over the political output of the station. Very pro Labour/unionist

6

Edward,

10/12/2006 02:31:18

Wait a minute £ 180 million output?
As the BBC receive £ 300 million from Scottish Licence payers, what have they done with the other £120 million?? Saving it for a rainy day?, or is BBC in London just keeping that for themselves?

7

Abel Magwitch,

10/12/2006 02:36:27

The late C.Northcote Parkinson (originator of Parkinson's Law) put forward an interesting observation about organizations and their office accommodation. A successful, growing organization would always be suffering from crowded conditions, with more and more people fitting into the fully-used spaces. When I last visited the Queen Margaret Drive headquarters about 12 years ago, it was very crowded with a lot of temporary buildings in what had been the garden.

According to Parkinson, it is a sure sign of incipient decline when the organization moves into a new, expensive building. Parkinson was right, as far as BBC Scotland is concerned. Its move into palatial accommodation on Pacific Quay is taking place against a background of layoffs and slipping standards. The time may come when part of the planned BBC headquarters at Pacific Quay is rented out to other tenants or sold off as upmarket flats to be bought up by football players.

8

Paul Voltaire,

www.paulvoltaire.spaces.live.com 10/12/2006 03:18:38

On the contrary, the footie is the only thing worth listening to on Radio Scotland apart from the sexy-voiced Ms Toner's traffic reports on their news show.Shereen Nanjiani is with them now as well and she is cool.

9

penelope,

10/12/2006 04:11:46

I like BBC Radio Scotland...mostly because I get access to BBC Radio Orkney through it!! But, I also listen to everything hosted/narrated by Mark Stephen.
It be nice if there was a bit less football talk during the week, although Saturdays wouldn't be the same without listening to at least one match (usually Kilmarnock vs. whoever when those matches are broadcast for listeners outside the UK). Newsnight Scotland is often very good, imo.

10

Guga,

Rockall 10/12/2006 04:44:43

#6 asks "Why attack the BBC?". The reason for that is that government steals increasingly large amounts of tax money from us to pay for it.

In addition, what do we, in Scotland, get from the BBC? Not very much, at all. We are still treated like one of the English provinces as regards the news. We are left with a news service which is full of English news (cricket, church of England etc.), and a truncated Scottish news service which is left to pick up some of the "provincial" stuff. They won't even give us our own news service.

How many genuinely Scottish programmes do you see on the BBC. Very few indeed. We are subjected to English news, English drama, English comedy, English current affairs etc. So why should we, in Scotland, pay tax for an English company?

Not that we even get our money's worth as only £180 million out of the £300 million collected in tax is spent in Scotland. yet another case of Scotland subsidising England.

What it really boils down to is that if they are not good enough to be able to run as an independent company, without the taxpayer subsidising them, then they deserve to go to the wall.

11

Androsthenes,

Edinburgh 10/12/2006 07:41:58

Too much football????
Make that ENGLISH football.
Two weeks ago the patronisingly named "Match of the Day" was an English FA cup fixture between Bury and Weymouth.
Most English people couldn't find these places on a map much less name a single player from either team so why are we being force fed this rubbish?
It's just another way for the BBC to remind us that we're just a "region" attached to the north part of England.

12

Media 1,

Cape Town 10/12/2006 08:06:04

The Saltire Society are a pathetic bunch of ungrateful fools..

13

William of Liberton,

10/12/2006 08:18:16

Time for independence! Then we can form the CBC - the Caledonian Broadcasting Company. BBC Scotland do put out one programme, Eorpa, a sub-titled Gaelic programme, which tackles international issues in a competent manner. There is no reason therefore why our Scottish broadcasters should not provide a Scottish Six every day of equally high quality.

14

donald,

weegieland 10/12/2006 08:20:07

EBC too British

15

jimh,

10/12/2006 08:22:18

BBC Radio Scotland is a joke now. I cannot bear to listen to it in the morning. The Fred MacAuley show full of talentless second rate actors and comedians. This programme is on every day for 2 hours. Is this really the standard of broadcast we want on a national Scottish radio station? My local rural community radio offers more interesting programmes.

16

Ryan,

Finland 10/12/2006 08:39:18

11:
300 million raised, 180 million given back in purely Scottish orientated programming, then theres the World Service, the various BBC digital channels, the 24 hour news service, the very comprehensive website, all of which are totally viewable by, and used by Scots. There is also no such thing as "BBC England". Sorry to ruin another nice subsidy story, but there we go..
As for "another case of Scotland subsidising England", you have read the 3 billion over-estimation of oil revenue, I presume? The SNP's "Scotland in surplus" had Scotland in surplus by 1 billion based on the previous figure, so remove 3 billion and you have..?

17

Highlands Robb,

Scotland 10/12/2006 08:50:23

Take a moment to ponder why the UK outranks USA, per capita, on downloading of American TV programs. It's because the options on UK TV are horrid. Dozens of shows are downloaded literally hundreds of thousands of times per week due to this lack of broadcast quality.

18

Mikey,

10/12/2006 09:10:19

BBC Scotland would do well to look at BBC NI and ask themselves why they can't match the output of the mini province. BBC NI seems to make more home grown shows than BBC Scotland. Why is this? Do they get more money? I wouldn't say that all the home grown shows in NI are good, far from it, but they refelct life in NI, something that BBC Scotland seems to have forgotten about!

Roll on May!

19

Rubbersnap,

10/12/2006 09:42:03

Let's face it ... STV is really a crappy wee regional station that looks like an American station in that it only serves just ONE city and its views ... Glasgow! STV like ITV, sold out to the advertisers years ago and don't do ANYTHING worthwhile!

BBC Scotland is .... almost exactly the same. Glasgow-centric and west- coast biased!! Way too much sport and not enough culture or politics.

Can someone explain why at least one MAJOR TV Network (ho ho ho!) is not based in the CAPITAL??

#19 is right ... where's all the home-grown stuff ... well not the usual parochial home-grown crap that we usually get!

20

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21

Ted,

10/12/2006 10:37:42

The focus for GMS is indeed wrong: it cannot compete with Today for reporting, interviewing or presenting. It does indeed mean having to tolerate cricket and England-only policy initiatives, but at least you get to hear what's happening overseas.

Please, BBC Scotland, find some way of looking up from the tartan tablecloth.

p.s. Newsnight Scotland is better than GMS, true, but why does it have to be instead of an interesting part of Newsnight UK?

22

Egg,

10/12/2006 11:19:34

I think it is fine to pressure BBC Scotland to produce better programming and to demonstrate better value for money, but I personally feel that at the same time we should be clear that we support a public broadcaster paid for by license (well maybe some don't, but I do).

The BBC is under sustained attack by commercial broadcasters, as they are envious of its revenue stream. Sky and ITV in particular want to see the license done away with and are using their muscle to lean on the government. I wonder whether any board members from SMG or other media organisations are members of the Saltire Society?

If the BBC goes, then we will just have a steady diet of reality TV and American imports, and with advertising revenue disappearing to the internet, it is fairly likely the future will be pay-TV on commercial channels, not just Sky. And with no outside check, there is the potential for substantial price fixing - how high could prices spiral? They could make the license fee look like pocket money.

Sure the BBC has some rubbish on it, but it has also given us great dramas like The State Within and State of Play and half intelligent programmes for children like the new Jackanory (very imaginative use of visuals) and Dr Who. I realised that the only thing I had watched on ITV recently was Vincent. Almost everything else is just pap, and I don't want that to be the future of television here.

23

Sao Paulo,

Salford 10/12/2006 11:20:40

Edward if the Scots are putting £300 into the pot and getting £180 million worth of Scottish content then I'd imagine the other £120 million is being spent on national content. Don't forget everyone is being forced to pay for this obsolete dinosaur

www.tvlr.co.nr

24

nadelet,

Edinburgh 10/12/2006 11:23:07

Shame on BBC Scotland! The cheek of it, trying to attract a mass audience to its radio and TV news services.

Seems the Saltire Society approves of the programmes its members are most likely to get their mugs on!

Crusty old has-beens sipping sherry with self-obsessed MSPs and Bishop Holloway somewhere in central Edinburgh.

25

wattie>x 1,

10/12/2006 11:40:25

Why on earth doesn't the Scottish TV licence payers refuse to pay this obnoxious stealth form off taxation? The people of New Zealand did so and were successful in having it removed.
The BBC in the UK is mostly churning out garbage and New Labour propaganda and has become mainly an expensive gravy train for swelling the finances of the already rich elite celebrities, sport personnel and clapped out acting has-beens.
Watch their *over - worked* (and vastly over-paid)grinning news readers when (it takes two off them), each each reads a sentence of news from a tele prompter.
Their documentaries and nature programmes are usually excellent, but what they normally regard as entertainment, is usually nothing more than pure rubbish.
They even succeeded to marginalise the traditioal Scottish *Hogmanay* celebrations, which were much loved and respected by people all over the world.
Blair and Brown's propaganda machine should be handed back to the people to operate, and not for the non-elected wealthy friends of New Labour; who are CHOSEN to operate it.

26

city man,

edinburgh 10/12/2006 12:33:09

i feel bbc scotland is to west oriented and like the writer before said the bbc should have moved its hq to edinburgh as it is the capital and home of goverment. And i feel it would have been better run if it had been based in Edinburgh.

27

Ian,

10/12/2006 12:38:54

THE BBC ARE A RELIC OF AN IMPERIALISTIC PAST THAT HAS TO BE SCRAPPED.
FORCING PEOPLE TO PAY FOR A TV LICENSE IS A SCANDAL - ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU NOTE THE MIDDLE ENGLAND DROSS THEY COME UP WITH.

28

Jonesy,

holland 10/12/2006 12:46:47

what does a foreigner with the name Jeff Zycinski know about Scotland and its culture? No wonder there are problems.

29

eric,

10/12/2006 13:04:32

Theres No Quality from The BBc its very basic stuff,

30

Media 1,

Cape Town 10/12/2006 13:11:57

#27: city man..I totally disagree with you, I am from Edinburgh but that comment of yours is so outrageous that it beggers belief.

The most disturbing thing is that you probably believe yourself. So sad!

31

Jonesy,

holland 10/12/2006 13:21:12

Re #27 what makes you think that Edinburgh can run anything better than Glasgow? The fundamental problem is that those in charge are not sure of their Scottishness see #29 and usually of low educational standard. Yes low educational standard. Have you ever tried to understand what these people have to say on radio and TV? Mainly establishment nonsense

32

eric,

10/12/2006 13:43:30

The Media Have Just relocated to Glasgows Riverside New Offices,All the Arts are in Glasgow Scottish Opera etc .The Media and everything else couldnt be anywhere else in Scotland but Glasgow .Its such a vibrant diverse City,And nowThey are looking to Extend the Glasgow Underground Along The riverside and To its Airport ,Edinburgh tries to do this Bless.Capital or Not .Edinburgh will Always be far behind Glasgow When it comes to Development and Transport ,

33

Gaga,

Knockall 10/12/2006 13:56:02

That BBC Scotland has a west of Scotland focus and bias is easy to see, and this has more or less always been the case. Listen to any BBC Scotland news proramme today and most likely the majority of stories will relate to Glasgow and/or regions surrounding it. Likewise much of the travel news relates to problems on 'Shotts Interchange', 'Kingston Bridge' etc. And that great drama - 'River City ', well, say no more...... . The fact that all Scottish Executive Ministers except Malcolm Chishiolm represent west of Scotland constituencies is another issue of great concern, as these same politicians will naturally want even more of the nations institutions to be based there, and for them to focus on that part of the country. Its definitely time for change!

34

eric,

10/12/2006 14:45:22

34 Yes Glasgow Does have the same problems as London being accused of this Bias,People from edinburgh cant get their heads around it ,because they have a very small town mentality ,Glasgow is just a Large city Which happens to have things going on all year around,Its what cities do ,Get over it.

35

Arthur,

10/12/2006 14:46:36

What A laugh BBC Radio Scotland just a bit of an oxymoron. Back in the sixties we did have a Radio
Scotland, it might not have been to everybodys taste
but it pulled audiences which BBC Radio Scotland
can only dream of. We cannot know now what it might have developed into, because it was not given the chance, being killed of in 1967 by the English Govt.
The remaining national services of the BBC in Scotland are opt outs from the English Broadcasting corporation
the rest of the output is the same dumbed down rubbish we have to suffer here in England.
More and more people are switching off and returning to more traditional interactive pastimes.
Come to think of it that may be no bad thing.

36

Media 1,

Cape Town 10/12/2006 14:47:15

Can I take this opportunity to apologise for some of my fellow Edinburgh folks behaviour on this thread!

To those of you out there who are not from Scotland, you are probably wondering why it is that Edinburgh folk are so anti Glasgow. I am embarressed by them and I would like you to know that not all of us suffer the same inferiority complex.

BBC Scotland has a fine home in Glasgow and that is where the media hub needs to be.

37

eric,

10/12/2006 14:56:43

37 Well said .When we hear of USA we talk of NYC and Australia -Sydney ,Big cities just get on with it ,Im flattered that Edinburgh wants to aspire to Glasgow,I love edinburgh the way it is ,

38

Arthur,

10/12/2006 14:57:05

Eric, Switch yer brain on Edinburgh is the Capital of the country, it is a cosmopolitan international caapital.
Edinburgh hosts the worlds premier cultural festival, and many other festivals throughout the year many more than Glasgow. It has twice hosted the Commonwealth games two out of the four occassions these games have made a profit.
It is the administrative, legal, commercial, and financial
Capital, which will by the end of the decade outstrip
glasgow in population terms. It unlike Glasgow has kept it's soul and not allowed it to be ripped out and replaced by multi lane highways. It is also the third largest tourist attractor in the UK and will continue as Scotland NO1 after independence. When it comes to broadcasting Glasgow after independence will be welcome to keep the St Margarets Drive branch office of the EBC. Edinburgh should forge ahead with
A truly Scottish National Broadcasting Service with
it's Headquarters in the Centre of Edinburgh.

39

Arthur,

10/12/2006 14:59:08

Media 1
It cut's both ways I would not have jumped to Edinburghs defence had it not been for Erics ill informed nonsense.

40

Calum Crubag,

taigh na croiche 10/12/2006 15:02:58

BBC Scotland/ Alba is much better than it's London based counterparts. As mentioned before, Eorpa is an excellent program. The internet service too is excellent as is football coverage, which given that Scots fitba has be sold to pirates Setanta is good news.

The English bias and general ignorance of London BBC is apalling though. At the Scottish Cup final this year the London sports correspondent went to speak to John Colquhon at "Hampden Park in Glasgow, or is it Edinburgh?". Why too do we get subjected to so much cricket?

41

eric,

10/12/2006 15:04:50

39 Glasgow is the commercial city ..Lots of Countries have very small capital cities like Scotland?,Nothing to be ashamed of?.And Why do most folk in Edinburgh want the things that Glasgow has?Media TV ARts Etc etc etc .May i remind you Edinburgh was named after an English
king .Like a say im very flattered .
Edinburgh cant expand and change in the same way Glasgow Has too ,And most folk know that anyway,

42

eric,

10/12/2006 15:14:33

Im just stating facts ,Im not from Glasgow ,But i do know its a Great vibrant City with problems that Big cities have ,Ask anyone from London or or New York,Oh and these cities have Undergrounds as well ,Maybe Edinburgh wants that as well Glasgow has worked hard to get these things in Place over decades and actually overtook Edinburgh as Scotland 1st tourist city for one Year,(european city of Culture ) Now thats Quite an achievment for an x industrial city to do,

43

Whiskey,

Canada 10/12/2006 15:21:44

Why so much sports on Television not only in Scotland but worldwide.
Sport is cheap cheap cheap to produce....no sets to build, no actors to pay (other than the cost incurred to the various sport leagues).
Just aim a few cameras at the action and count the cash saved...who needs to be creative??!!

44

eric,

10/12/2006 15:25:56

Im bored now End

45

Arthur,

10/12/2006 15:30:16

Eric Edinburgh has expanded out of all recognition since I was born there, it has also changed immesurably, not always for the better. Edinburgh cannot have a subway system due to it's clay subsoil and that is nobody's fault but geology. I don't want all this intercity rivallry about who should be It's Capital, there has always been good natured banter betwixt the two, but I detect that is turning sour now and that does Scots no credit.

46

Arthur,

10/12/2006 15:32:33

Eric I suspect your boredom, makes you adopt the contra position to alleviate the boredom. I have ended.

47

eric,

10/12/2006 15:37:59

Im very Happy to have Edinburgh as a capital And you will find most Folk in Glasgow Voted for it To be In Edinburgh than folk from Edinburgh itself ,Im not from Glasgow ,And youll find most Glasgow folk treat the rivalry as a joke anyway ,Im from the east coast ,And theres no getting around the fact The BBc is in Glasgow ,Etc .Fin

48

city man,

edinburgh 10/12/2006 15:40:35

oh well there seems to be a lot of gasgow pll that hate edingburgh can i just make one comment edinburgh brings a hell of a lot of money to scotland in its finance tourist industry and other buisness commitments and i feel some of the comments made from people in the west are totaly un called for.

49

sar,

10/12/2006 15:43:02

Most people who live in Edinburgh are not from Edinburgh, this gives Edinburgh greater diversity. As for the transport issue, if you look at BAA Scotland figures, it is clear that the balance of power is shifting. I personally would favour either the BBC or STV moving to Edinburgh which would help to give better and more balanced reports of Scottish issues. Also when having political report it would be better if BBC could use their Edinburgh studio more rather than having to use a satellite connection.

50

Max 1,

10/12/2006 15:45:01

The state of Scottish broadcasting is only a further indication of the current lack of confidence that exists within Scotland. We have allowed this to fester away for too long.

Look no further than the Scottish parliament building and Hampden Park as excuses for national buildings that should be shining examples of national pride but are mearly an embarrassment to us. (Not to mention the lack of quality that exists within the people that occupy these buildings).

We should demand better, but this lack of confidence also exists within people that could make a change. They appear content or wish to tolerate this quest to find the the lowest common demoninators in all walks of life including BBC Programmes and ruling body of Scottish sport particularly the SFA and SPL.

I feel that we ae have become the equivalent of The Sun newspaper as a nation.

I very rarely now feel pride in watching BBC Scotland or STV. This is not the Caledonian Cring. We are now excepting absolute rubbish and behind the couch stuff when anything that we organise is broadcast.With as always one eye on England.

Look no further than the Children in Need programme. as wella s the feeble attempt and ludicrous decision by STV to broadcast the SPL on a Monday night at 11pm when youngsters are in bed for school the next day. This decision showed no national responsibility for our national game but mearly focussed solely on revenue and the highest bidder for the rights to broadcast.

Thankfully, it is now being recognised that we cannot get much lower in the standards of media and politics. Then the likes of the Tam Cowans, Stuart Cosgroves, Jack McConnels, David Taylors, Rosemary Kane's of today will be replaced by persons of a higher standing

The Scottish people expect, need and demand much better.

We need a Scottish perspective on the news, we demand our institutions such as the BBC, STV Scottish ruling bodies to be proud of Scotland, a nation that do

51

eric,

10/12/2006 15:53:49

People from Glasgow do not hate Edinburgh .They have no need to.Just because the majority chose to live in Glasgow and the west,isnt Glasgows fault.Balanced veiw .Oh yes They are making just a spiffing job of Edinburgh Not,.
Edinburgh has lost out , It may improve its transport links to near Glasgow standards But that wont save it ,Glasgow Finacial centre on the Clyde is Massive and still growing .These banks Had a choice of any city in Scotland ,Bye now

52

eric,

10/12/2006 15:57:55

Got an Underground to catch

53

city man,

edinburgh 10/12/2006 16:08:18

obviously eric u dont no much about edinburgh may be u should visit and have a good look then u might make a few changes to ur comments u have made
i dont care what other ppl say edinburgh should have better broadcasting facilities full stop!!.

54

malcolmcean,

Glasgow 10/12/2006 16:09:13

Eric,

I don't think that your comments are terribly productive.

Glasgow should have the headquarters of the Scottish media in its midst. This is not bias on my part as a Glaswegian, it is simply recognising that half of Scotland's population live in Strathclyde (the area within which most people describe themselves as Glaswegian).

I admit that the media needs to do a lot, lot more to become a truly national entity. I think that this is not happening because the BBC will not be the turkey which votes for Christmas: any move to make the regional Scottish news and entertainment section of the BBC a 'national' service will result in the death of a unified 'British' broadcast network.

It is in the interests of the BBC in London to continue to produce its programming in Scotland as nothing more than a regional west coast network.

It will not be too long, I think, before media is under the control of Holyrood. The will bring about the necessary 'national' media plan needed to consign the 'dross' of BBC Scotland to the dustbin of history - where it truly belongs.

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city man,

edinburgh 10/12/2006 16:10:10

for a capital city its a desgrace not have a a better presence by the bbc and stv

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city man,

edinburgh 10/12/2006 16:41:57

il say it again its a disgrace that edinburgh does not have better broadcasting facilities for a capital city could someone from media who works in scotland explain why it doesnt cause i want to get to the bottom of it is political or is it just west bias .
(sorry for writing disgrace wrong in comment 56)

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nic,

helensburgh 10/12/2006 17:46:14

If the sheer awfulness of the Scottish Children in Need is any yardstick I think we need fewer rather than more home produced programmes.

Alos, while there are still some fine male and female speaking voices ont he Beeb in Scotland , there are also far too many unauthoratitive weegie-type accents.

A good broadcasting voice used to be a pre requisite . Frankly, unless they speak as well as say, John Milne, they should not be allowed to broadcast.

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DisgruntledVoter,

West 10/12/2006 19:23:16

BBC Radio Scotland (I don't have TV) has become an utter joke - it has so demeaned its charter that there's a real case for closing it down!
Just listen to Freddie Mac in the morning along with his laughing hyena Liz Clark and then tune in on a Saturday to the uttertly objectionable daily rancid persona - one j traynor - and you will reach for the off button!!
Dire, dire, dire does not even begin to desctribe the current awfulness of Radio Scotland

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Guga,

Rockall 10/12/2006 19:51:31

Never mind diverting discussion from the topic with all this nonsense about Glasgow versus Edinburgh.

The fact remains that this is one of the very few countries left in the world that actually taxes people for watching television. Not only that, but the subsidised television service we get for our tax, via the BBC, is pathetic and anglocentric.

I know that some people, for whatever reason, think that the BBC is wonderful and well worth the ever increasing tax; but, the rest of us don't. The solution then, is simple, put it on a subscription service, and those that want to continue to subsidise an anglocentric broadcaster can do the paying.

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Edward,

10/12/2006 20:04:08

#43 The fact is that the BBC headquartered in London, view Scotland as a region, not a country, not a state, just a region, because of this, they couldnt care less where the regional hq is based, which is why its based in Glasgow. Theres nothing wrong with it being based in Glasgow, but the BBC cant actually bring themselves to recognise that Scotland is actually a country and Edinburgh is its capital. The BBC did actually consider having a new Scottish HQ in Edinburgh ata site opposite the St James Centre on Leith Walk ( (in area that stood deriilict next to the Playhouse) it was all part of the 'big development' at the time (those that live in Edinburgh, would have noticed the walkway that goes over Leith Walk). But due to the usual cutbacks etc in regional spending BBC shelved the idea. Anyway thats history.
#17 & #24 If the BBC actually spent all of the £ 300 Million that they actually get from Scottish Licence payers within Scotland, it would improve the content and output of Scottish broadcasting. But as mentioned BBC Scotland is seen as a region, which is why there is only 1 dedicated Radio station from the BBC (BBC Scotland) and no dedicated TV channels. The BBC TV channels, only have certain opt out programming from the UK wide coverage. Which brings the question of where does the money go from the £ 180 million thatthey do spend?

Ryan, why would people in Scotland want to listen to the World Service?
To be honest the whole BBC budget should be questioned, not just by Scots, but by English as well
Consider that the BBC receive something like £ 2.7 Billion a year from the English Licence payer
(Ive ignored the money that the BBC receive in sales both in the UK and overseas)
Oh about no such think as BBC England, thats also slightly incorrect. As mentioned BBC Scotland is a region within the BBC set up, as is all the other regions, such as BBC Wales, BBC N.Ireland, BBC North East, BBC South, BBC South East.
Watching

61

dawkins' goat,

cork 10/12/2006 20:51:22

#61

Well hello Eddie son! There are some big words here for a wee boy. Well done laddie!

62

Robbie,

NZ 10/12/2006 21:38:29

As has been mentioned before the BBC World Service gives virtually no news of Scotland (not even the main football results-- although as well as the English premier League will give other European results and American grid-iron, baseball and ice-hockey) but yet will report on for example the continuing independence debate in Nagorno-Karabachos; this morning 11-12-2006.
One of the reasons that knowledge or even the existence of Scotland is so scant is that simply the world gets news from BBC London and is London, Home-counties then the rest of England focussed . This is despite quite a few ‘Scots’ reporters.

63

yard,

auld reekie 10/12/2006 22:20:37

BBC Scotland has attracted more comment than anything else here recently. For those scunnered with it, try the local 'commercial' stations. They all sound the same, are clones of one another and satisfy the lowest common denomenator only, being fit only for hairdressing salons or music to plaster walls by etc. At least with the BBC a wide range is offered. OK they might miss the mark here and there, but it's got to be agreed that they have a substantial audienece that will only be developed by trial & error.
My only gripe is that, do we really need so many journalists now ? In the space of 10 seconds of news there could be as many as 4 or 5 people that pass you the story !

64

Keren,

10/12/2006 22:53:11

Watching BBC News 24 which Scotland helps to pay for we are rarely if ever mentioned - this is an English station pretending to be a 'British' one, (whatever 'Britain' means these days.)

Garry Robertson's phone is awful. It has the same people every day the topics are dumbed-down rubbish like 'is shopping a good thing' etc.

After that it's the cheeky chappie himself Fred Macalay who is strictly Z list.

Some of the music is ok but why can't wer have a talk station the quality of Radio 4 and a music station as well??

65

sheena,

Non PC World (rtd) 10/12/2006 23:02:11

Just a wee thought - what will the BBC be called once Scotland is independent. Will it be the E,W&NIBC. UKBC would not be correct. I would put bets on simply EBC.

66

GP,

10/12/2006 23:53:27

The BBC should do some real investigative journalism and expose all the failing s of loical and national government, quangos and charities. there is enough muck there to provide them with 100's of hours of really good programmes.
They however do nothing to rock the boat as Kirsty liies the power play game she plays in.

67

Faye,

Scotland 11/12/2006 01:32:34

The BBC's reporting these days seems to show bias towards the government line. Channel 4 is much better with more balanced news reporting.

The Saltire Society is right to raise its concerns about the standard of reporting from the once great BBC.

#67 is absolutely right, however, these days journalists appear to be lazy, preferring to cut and paste other people's work and then add their own tuppence worth.

I agree with 67 investigative journalism into the areas mentioned by GP would provide excellent TV.

68

Thoughtpolice,

Glasgow 11/12/2006 10:56:02

Personally, I like the football.

69

Duncan,

on tour 11/12/2006 14:09:14

BBC Scotland are a national disgrace and an embarrassment. Sportscene is like watching someone drawing there nails down the blackboard, the presenters could have been lifted out of any pub in Glasgow.
The new building erected on the south bank of the Clyde, tells the story. It is nothing but a huge carbuncle of an office block, to be filled by the hundreds of administration workers that administrate what? The out put from this station could be done from a Portakabin in a scrapyard in Bridgeton, they are utterly pathetic.
BBC London refer to us as a national region. BBC Scotland has seen a steady degradation of it's core craft workers and there equipment for years, as the screw has turned on BBC London, they have bled the regions white. All that is left now is office after office of utterly useless bureaucrats all playing solitaire on there desktop terminals whilst keeping the other eye on their boss who is doing the same.
The only programmes that London will commission from Scotland are the ones that reinforce there racist stereotyping of us. Rab C Nesbitt and any one else who is prepared to prostitute there dignity by raising cheap laughs playing the favourite Scottish drunken wife beating benefit sponger. The licence fee is nothing but daylight robbery, at least Dick Turpin wore a mask.

70

Patrick/Edinburgh,

Edinburgh 11/12/2006 18:27:28

Well, In Baltimore Maryland there is a statue of William Wallace, with his words of freedom: 'Freedom no honest man shall give up but with life itself' declaration of Arbroath 1320. As I stood before this statue, I knew I had to see this land of Scotland. That was in the year 2000. I made it to this great land at the end of summer 2006. With me I brought my offering, the US Network- UK and the concepts and strengths for Scottish Civil Defense. I decided to do this because of those words of William Wallace I saw In America. I knew that I must hold in my heart the rights of the people who's statue brings me courage and resolve that protects my liberty. I know I did the right thing by bringing the US Network-Uk/ Scottish Civil Defense to this land. The US Network, advancement of communications between American's for American purposes has a place to help grow the advancement of Scottish communications for Scotlands purposes will only grow.
I understand this carries my country's name, but there has got to be a reason for the Scottish people to fend for their own civil defense and not be billed for it. Plus have their own voice through public broadcast with assistance. Best let the US Network make sure the people understand this. By the growth of this communications broadcast group, we will make every effort through good ole Scottish resolve to make sure we advance the voice of the people and take their vision and hopes forward. Already, this effort has brought discussion on American radio. What I have developed here in Scotland has already began to help in America.
Lets all look beyond the Bedrock Broadcast Corp.

God Love You Scotland

Patrick Stevens
US Network-UK

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Douglas,

Bathgate 11/12/2006 19:10:13

Patrick#71: WTF! I've read it twice but I don't get it.

72

wee matt,

Lothians 11/12/2006 20:22:14

I really hate all the Scottish rubbish on T.V. As someone said when Newsnight is half-decent,(not that often) it changes to parochial dross on Scottish Newsnight.
I think Friday Newsnight is probably the best as it has some cultural input on Newsnight Review and half sensible people from Scotland artists and writers are a feature on some of them ,like Ian Rankin,we could do with some more like say Ken MacLeod or the bloke wi' the bow tie from Edinburgh Uni.Oh! he is Irish.Sorry Pal.
It makes no difference whether it is Glasgow Edinburgh or Inverness the HO is .It is is content which matters.
I hate fitba' with a vengeance unless there is a Big gemme like a European one. I'll even watch Rangers and Celtic playing top teams but not each other with all the sectarian rubish which surround those encounters.Maybe Rangers, Celtic, Hearts and Hibs encounters should be banned in some way.
Just a thought.
I don't mind paying the license but wish BBC would stop the advertising between programmes, of its programmes.
I refuse to watch STV as so few prgrammes are subtitled and I am deaf. I am maybe winding some of you up. Awrabest anyway.
:-)

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Eric D,

SoCal. 12/12/2006 05:54:33

Scottish media in a sad , sad state.

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AlJG,

Fife 12/12/2006 17:22:14

RE: Mike Russell and the evening schedule!

Mike Russell et al are largely right about the pointlessness of Radio Scotland's trying to please everyone. It shies away from adopting a serious tone on the one hand. And on the other it fails as a popular culture broadcaster -- it's not properly/seriously into pop culture in the way that others are. Basically, it applies a joky tone to everything it does.

Or ALMOST everything.

I share Mr Russell's relief at getting Radio Scotland over with in the morning (I have to get the Scottish news somewhere) and switching over to Radio 4.

BUT, I'd argue with him about evening listening! And he should know better (as "culture spokesman") than to dismiss Radio Scotland's evening schedule as "wallowing in ... popular music". (Fair enough about "wallowing" in football phone-in -- that's fivelive territory)

Does he listen to the weekdays 8-10pm slot, I wonder. That adds up to 10 hours a week of world, jazz, folk, singer-songwriting etc, with serious presenters like Iain Anderson, Bryan Burnett, Stephen Duffy and Mary Ann Kennedy. It's the one place where Radio Scotland's still got it right!

I don't switch over so easily at night. Even where Radio 3 has "In Tune" every night, a studio session that's a must for live music lovers, and Radio 4 keeps it up by showing concern in whatever it is they're talking about, of course.

The point is that Radio Scotland, for that precious few hours each night, easily competes with these other channels. Music -- including popular music -- is culture too. It's the attitude taken to it, serious or otherwise, that has to be hit right, and these presenters on Radio Scotland have it right. I'm left worrying about Mike Russell's attitude, even if it's a side-issue, here (i.e. smacks of dividing culture into "zones" and attached snobbery that's very common).

Anyway, these Radio Scotland music presenters are a

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Mark D,

Dunblane 17/12/2006 01:00:56

#20 - "Can someone explain why at least one MAJOR TV Network (ho ho ho!) is not based in the CAPITAL??"

Err, because Edinbore is only the second city of Scotland and more parochial than anywhere else in Scotland...

#27 - "i feel bbc scotland is to west oriented and like the writer before said the bbc should have moved its hq to edinburgh as it is the capital and home of goverment. And i feel it would have been better run if it had been based in Edinburgh."

"We are the caaaaapital, we should have everything. It's no' fair!"..... i.e. the standard Edinburgh whine. Well, Scotland would be in a sorry state if the national media were to be based in the joke, jumped up, alleged 'capital'. A glance at any Edinburgh based media (Hootsmoan stable, Radio Froth etc) proves that.

#34 - "That BBC Scotland has a west of Scotland focus and bias is easy to see, and this has more or less always been the case. Listen to any BBC Scotland news proramme today and most likely the majority of stories will relate to Glasgow and/or regions surrounding it. Likewise much of the travel news relates to problems on 'Shotts Interchange', 'Kingston Bridge' etc."

Err, half of Scotland's population lives in and around Glasgow. SO THE MAJORITY OF NEWS IS GENERATED IN THE METROPOLITAN WEST. Duh!

#35/42/43 - So, so right. Spot on. Well said Eric. Edinburgh has a problem accepting
reality, especially that it is only the second city of Scotland. It needs to SHUT UP and GROW UP!

#39 - A classic example of delusions of grandeur re. Edinburgh, it's size, importance and status in the scheme of things. Edinburgh is full of small town snobs with attitudes like this. Tiresome and predictable. Most other Scots hate Edinburgh and its inmates. Fact.

#50 - "Most people who live in Edinburgh are not from Edinburgh, this gives Edinburgh greater diversity."

Aye, that's why it's stuffed full of English immi


 

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