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Published Date: 02 November 2008
GO FORTH, but don't multiply. One of Scotland's leading churchmen has sparked controversy by claiming China's one-child policy has benefited the environment more than anything else in the world.
The Right Reverend David Lunan, the Moderator of the General Assembly of the Church of Scotland, said the fact that the country had enforced the controversial rules limiting couples to having one child meant it had limited its damage to the planet.

The single child policy was introduced in 1979 to try to stop the population from growing too rapidly.

Human rights campaigners and religious groups oppose the policy amid concerns about abortion and female infanticide.

Lunan, who is concerned with environmental issues, spoke out during an interview with Cathy MacDonald for her BBC Alba series Cuide Ri Cathy. He said: "

Interestingly enough, the country that is doing the most for the planet is China. People talk about the smoke and pollution from China, but they have limited their population in a way that no other country has or will, and that in itself will have an effect on not using up the Earth's resources."

Last night, his comments were criticised by John Deighan, parliamentary officer for the Catholic Church in Scotland, who said: "China's one-child policy is recognised by most people as reprehensible.

"Its policy of abortion and giving licences to women before they are allowed to have children is incompatible with human dignity and the respect that women and families are naturally entitled to.

"There's a massive imbalance in the population and a social breakdown where children do not have the opportunity to interact with siblings or extended family.

"We do not sacrifice human lives for the environment."

Lunan, a father of four, took over as Moderator in May this year.

The interview will be broadcast at 10pm tomorrow


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  • Last Updated: 01 November 2008 10:35 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
 
1

EPS,

Edinburgh 02/11/2008 00:43:33
I believe what David Lunan said is true, but sadly it was not politically correct for him to say it.
2

nolimits,

BC Interior 02/11/2008 01:59:29
The Catholic Church policy is:
"We do not sacrifice human lives for the environment."
No, you sacrifice human lives for religion.
As JRR Tolkein so aptly put it in the prologue of the Lord of the Rings Trilogy,
" Thieves bearing flags and murderers carrying crosses"
Sorry about the rant, but I've just learned that my daughter in law has just had her priest tell her that "its best she die so her unborn child may live". She has developed a serious condition that will in all likely hood kill her if she carries the child to the third trimester. Jaysus give me patience, so I may not go and throttle this blankety blank idiot who so desparately needs it. Good Night!
3

somerferg,

perth 02/11/2008 02:11:09

The moderator is correct - there are far too many people having far too many kids. Just a pity he doesn't practice what he preaches if the article is correct and he has 4 children!! As for nolimits - as I have always said as soon as catholic priests are able to have children and are married i.e. they are women I would not listen to a single word they have to say on any matter relating to childbearing.
4

A Scot in China,

02/11/2008 04:38:29
There are so many things wrong in this article I wouldn't even know where to begin. Rev David Lunan would be a good start, perhaps you could in some way apply this logic to say Adolf Hitler, so many people died becuase of him and they didn't and nor did the unborn offspring go on and cause environmental damage or produce CO2, so Adolf an evironmentalist, who'd a thought? Perhaps David should come to China and see for himself the unpleasant by products of a one child policy, a good place to start is the well stocked orphanges about 90% girls obviously, I wonder how they will end up, or the large proportion of disabled kids, I don't think there future is too bright either. If he doesn't fancy that he can perhaps sit down a discuss how happy the female population is about being surgically sterilised in their 20s or early 30s. I could go on and on and on.
5

UrbanFox,

02/11/2008 07:13:30
Its a brave comment, but the implications for Christianity are huge. It opens the door for a similar attitude to the millions starving and living in poverty in other parts of the world, primarily because there are so many of them.
6

james 1st,

hamilton nz 02/11/2008 09:13:15
some sense from a church moderator . the planet is grossly overpopulated and cannot cope with the excesses of humanity, this includes just too many people. india should follow chinas example
7

carrottop,

Dumfries 02/11/2008 09:26:00
Overpopulation is the new tool of war with prolific breeders sending their excess to take over other countries. When the West has the sense to refuse to take this excess of humanity then the standard of living for the population of the West should rise and the others will be forced to come into line or starve.
8

Charterhall,

Edinburgh 02/11/2008 09:49:40
I completely agree with the reported comments of David Lunan, I only wish there was some way of applying the policy across the world.
9

greenhill,

02/11/2008 09:55:38
So The Right Reverend David Lunan, the Moderator of the General Assembly of the Church of Scotland approves of forced abortion? That is how the policy is enforced ?

Would he have the courage of his convictions to take part in such an inhuman act. Perhaps he would travel to China and make a documentary.

We could watch his involvement in dragging a screaming late term pregant women from her home. Perhaps we could even see the look on the womans face as the abortion is carried out.

However it is all for the greater good ,so thank you to the Chinese Government for helping to save the World.
10

Wee Fred,

02/11/2008 09:56:46
Condoms condoms and more condoms.


Thats the answer.


Africa wouldnt be in the state it was today if we had flooded the place with condoms 30 years ago.
11

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02/11/2008 10:45:56
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12

greenhill,

02/11/2008 11:26:36
RE Slippylizard,Sunny Rock 02/11/2008 10:45:56
"Unfortunately the Moderator has a point, even if it is not PC."

Yeah forcing women who are 9 months pregnant into having abortions is not PC. The Chinese favour injecting into the baby to kill it before stillbirth several hours later.

However as you said:"Unfortunately the Moderator has a point".
13

Postmark-55,

China, 02/11/2008 12:01:16
#12 greenhill,
Eventhough I'm sure that some women are forced to abort in their ninth month of pregnancy I assure you that it is not the policy of the Chinese government. If the government does catch those guilty of that offence there will be severe punishment to the guilty ones.

#4 A Scot in China,
If you are indeed living in China then you are surely aware that the imbalance between males and females is decreasing rapidly in the young ones of today. The things you speak of are becoming rare and the government is in the process of cleaning things up. Forced abortions are not government policy and the population as a whole is becoming more educated on the boys only issue realizing the imbalance of the situation. Especially in the big cities people are happy to give birth to girls now and wouldn't dream of killing a girl in favour of having a boy. I know, my wife is Chinese and we're expecting a child this coming January and all we want is a healthy child, regardless of the gender.
China did what it had to in order to control its overly crowded conditions and all things considering it's the best anyone can do.
14

Media 1,

cape town 02/11/2008 12:20:14
I dont care much for godly people, they frighten me - but in this regard the man is correct.
He is merely pointing out the facts and if the truth hurts too bad.

Think about it - less people means less problems! It means less hunger, less poverty, less anguish. Africa is doomed because they are permitted to breed at will, thus they introduce hundreds of millions to hunger and disease.

The RCC has no right to comment on this issue - that institution and its horrific history has no right to point the finger at anyone - when it comes to reprehensible behaviour we need look no further than the RCC.

Less children means less hunger, over population and poverty - if that is reprehensible then so be it
15

greenhill,

02/11/2008 13:13:42
RE Media 1,cape town 02/11/2008 12:20:14


In general your comments are utterly mindless.
16

greenhill,

02/11/2008 13:16:41
RE Postmark-55,China, 02/11/2008 12:01:16


HA! such faith in the Chinese government.What a fool. Though there are plenty more like you in every corner of the world.
17

GlenB,

02/11/2008 13:45:29
Lunan, a father of four

Not exactly doing his bit for the environment then.
18

Postmark-55,

China, 02/11/2008 13:46:36
#16 greenhill,
And what corner of the world do you live in?
You need to get out of your corner once in a while before making rash and mindless statements about things you know nothing about.
19

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02/11/2008 14:53:03
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Media 1,

cape town 02/11/2008 16:58:07
Greenhill

Here is the thing. If you see my comments as mindless that is perfectly acceptable, I have no gripes with that, we are all human beings and we all view things differently. However, once you have determined that the comments are mindless you should at least offer reasons as to why you think so - that way we enter dialogue in an attempt to find some common ground.

Personally, I see a world in trouble, people are dying of hunger and most of them are children. Their parents didnt plan ahead and now these poor little ones must endure the most savage existences. I think a reduction in the birth rate will go a long way to reduce the suffering that so many people must endure.

You obviously dont!
21

Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 02/11/2008 18:06:13
Why get angry when someone suggests a sensible solution to one the worlds greatest problems. The only thing is organised religion is one of the other big problems of the planet so there's a bit of a conflict here. If religious people followed each other over the edge of a cliff like lemmings we wouldn't have these problems...
22

person who's right,

Edinburgh 02/11/2008 18:25:42
David Lunan is right in a practical sense. The policy does limit China's need for resources.

John Deigan's comments are difficult to reconcile with what Cardinal O'Brien has said recently about global warming. Global warming is, as the Cardinal has rightly said, the greatest threat facing the world (especially the poor) and population control is one legitimate way of facing up to it.
23

Scotish Exile,

02/11/2008 19:27:05
well said David, 100% correct, of course the PC brigade will shout you down, but the world is over populated. The sooner that something is done about it the better. We should start be sterilizing the scroungers here to stop them breeding 3rd and 4th generation scroungers.
24

Dougie - Edinburgh,

02/11/2008 19:56:25
Before the one child policy, the average Chinese woman was having six children. Without the one child policy there would have been mass starvation. Of course that was before the days when China was able to export its excess population to Africa and gullible Western countries.
25

greenhill,

02/11/2008 20:22:28
RE Media 1

"Africa is doomed because they are permitted to breed at will"

An entire continent? Who permits? What a mindless statement.
26

greenhill,

02/11/2008 20:24:05
RE Scotish Exile,02/11/2008 19:27:05

You are an evil moron.
27

greenhill,

02/11/2008 20:27:55
RE Dougie - Edinburgh,02/11/2008 19:56:25

Before the one child policy, the average Chinese woman was having six children. Really. So the one child policy brought down the birth rate ? No other factors. Where do you get your stats from : Your AR$E?
28

james 1st,

hamilton nz 02/11/2008 20:30:33
comments have been made on this gentleman having four children, pleasr note, he lives in scotland which is not overpopulated. scotland needs more people and could well encourage its birthrate instead of importing persons from elsewhere.
overpopulation is a human crime against the environment and im not even a greeny
29

Douglas,

Bathgate 02/11/2008 20:44:30
Greenhill # various: Is this the five minute argument or the full half hour?
30

Dougie - Edinburgh,

Edinburgh 02/11/2008 22:19:05
27: National Bureau of Statistics of China. Go check for yourself. Do you have anything useful to say or are you just here to insult everyone?
31

Pilrig.,

Livingston 02/11/2008 22:45:20
Being a father of four he's hardly on a position to support population control.
32

Pilrig.,

Livingston 02/11/2008 22:47:59
I wonder if those who think who advocate population control would consider doing their bit by committing suicide ?
Thought not.
33

Pilrig.,

Livingston 02/11/2008 22:52:28
23 - kindly remain in exile.
34

Pilrig.,

Livingston 02/11/2008 22:56:13
28 - no matter where he stays, he and his brood are a drain on the planet's resources as much as any other person is.
35

james 1st,

hamilton nz 03/11/2008 05:57:14
#31 to 34
scotland is not an overpopulated country. china is,
china needs to set policies suitable to its requirements and has done\
as for your comment re23 perhaps pilrig is short for pillock, get a life-or perhaps follow your advice at no32
36

Pilrig.,

Livingston 03/11/2008 06:30:11
35 - can't follow advice - it wasn't advice anyway - as it would mean commotting an illegal act.

Pilrig is short for pillock ? well such is your knowledge of Scotland.
37

Poetess50,

03/11/2008 19:54:11
Solution is simple: DON'T HAVE KIDS!

 

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