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And the Oscar for the ugliest location goes to… Scotland


Scottish Screen agency resorts to promoting country as a bleak backdrop for gritty films

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Published Date: 03 February 2008
FROM the Hogwarts Express steaming across Glenfinnan Viaduct to the towering Wicker Man being consumed by flames on the Galloway coast, Scotland has produced some of the most iconic images in film history.
But now the national film agency has claimed that our scenery cannot compete with the unspoilt beauty offered by countries such as New Zealand and Canada. Instead, Scottish Screen is promoting a series of jaw-droppingly ugly locations in a bid to make Scotland the grim and gritty film capital of the world.

Greenock Prison, the "rundown" Girvan harbour, the "supremely ugly" Cumbernauld shopping centre, Rosyth Docks and East Kilbride town centre are all being offered to film-makers – while the interior of Airdrie United's Excelsior Stadium is touted as the ideal place to film a prison drama.

One Glasgow street was recently used as a desolate, plague-ridden wasteland for a forthcoming science-fiction epic.

Belle Doyle, Scottish Screen's location manager, insisted that Scotland could not afford to be sniffy about how it presented itself to movie moguls.

"If we keep promoting Scotland as a country with lovely views and landscapes we are not going to rank too highly because there are many other countries which are completely stunning," she said.

"Places like New Zealand and Canada are unspoilt while in Scotland there are pylons, lights and city lights. Unfortunately this means that Scotland does not have the pristine environment that other countries can offer.

"Undoubtedly some parts of Scotland are really beautiful so, for film-makers, it is all about weighing up the pluses and the minuses.

"If you wanted to do something huge with a wide prehistoric landscape you probably wouldn't be able to make it in Scotland. It would be easier to make it in New Zealand."

Doyle said Scotland had already become well-known as an ideal base for "edgy" dramas.

"Some locations are so spectacularly ugly they become cinematic," she said. "Trainspotting introduced people to a different side of Edinburgh and there are still tours that go round the locations that were used in the film.

"Red Road – the award-winning 2006 film set in Glasgow tower blocks – is a perfect example of using something that is really rundown, but becomes iconic on the big screen."

The location manager said Glasgow had been used recently for Doomsday, a post-apocalyptic sci-fi thriller starring Bob Hoskins and Malcolm MacDowell which is due to be released in the spring.

"The film is set 20 years in the future where Scotland has been closed down and everyone has died because of an outbreak of plague. They wanted the street to look it hadn't been inhabited in decades and chose a location in Haghill.

"All it took was to bring in a few trees and to turn a couple of cars upside down."

Doyle said inquiries over less aesthetically pleasing locations were done tactfully.

"Local councils tend to be slightly uncomfortable if you tell them you are looking for somewhere which is a bit scruffy and grotty. Nobody wants to think that where they live is really grotty, but being in a film brings real economic benefits."

The locations being offered by Scottish Screen include Airdrie FC's stadium, which comes under the category "prisons and jails" and includes two cells and a booking desk. Clydebank Co-op, Dunfermline's Lynebank Hospital, Tongland Power Station near Kirkcudbright, East Kilbride town centre, Kirkintilloch and Aberdeen's concrete carbuncle-like St Nicholas shopping centre built in the Eighties are also listed.

Girvan in South Ayrshire is described as a "rather isolated and rather rundown fishing port".

Ted Brocklebank, the Conservative culture spokesman and former award-winning documentary maker, expressed concern about the strategy.

He said: "In Scotland we have some of the world's most wonderful scenery that is every bit as magnificent as anything in New Zealand and Canada.

"I could take people at Scottish Screen to a number of locations in Aberdeenshire as well as Wester Ross, the Cuillins, Torridon and Orkney that are completely wild and unspoilt without a pylon or telephone line in sight.

"It is true that in Scotland we have a number of rundown, inner-city urban locations which lend themselves to gritty realism. Film-makers may well be able to make use of it, but I don't think we should be terribly happy about it."

Alec Clark, the chairman of Girvan Community Council, felt the unflattering portrayal of his hometown was unjustified, and said: "This sounds like a typically misguided view written by people who spend most of their time inside a cosy suburban bubble. They have no clue about the real-life realities of life in rural Scotland.

"It is true, as it is in all Scottish coastal towns, that tourists are not coming in the same numbers as they were in years gone by, but Girvan is still full of vibrancy and life."

But John Wilson, whose Haghill home overlooked the filming of Doomsday, was not remotely offended that his neighbourhood doubled for a battle-scarred, plague-ravaged frontier.

He said: "I couldn't believe it when I got the letter telling me about the filming. Science fiction and zombie films are my thing and to have one made at the end of my street was amazing."

The full article contains 885 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 02 February 2008 7:57 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
 
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03/02/2008 00:03:12
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Chairman Gordon,

Bannockburn 03/02/2008 00:09:53
No interest in our scenery? Direct feedback of having wind farms, anyone?
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03/02/2008 00:11:22
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Exocet,

03/02/2008 00:22:32
And there will be no pubs left either:-

http://www.Innthecold.com
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Conan the Librarian™,

03/02/2008 00:35:01
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My local just got redeveloped...into flats:-(
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03/02/2008 00:43:33
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Roberta Burns,

03/02/2008 00:52:28
How many English are on the board of Scottish Screen?
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Jackie Priest,

03/02/2008 00:57:35
What a pity we have a location manager for Scottish Screen who appears to know nothing about the locations in Scotland.

Has she never heard of the Cairngorms or the Mounth? Has she never heard of Arnarmuchan or Torridon, or Wester Ross or, shall we say, has she never heard of the Grampiam Mountains and the Highlands and Islands.

Why is this person in such a position when her knowledge of the variety of wild locations in Scotland is almost breathtaking for its lack of scope?

I wonder if she's aware that there is more to Scottish scenery than the view you get from the castle esplanade in Edinburugh? It doesn't sound like it.

Still, though, let this be a warning to people in Scotland of the necessity of protecting their landscapes.

Let us start by preventing Trump from destroying the beach at Balmedie in Aberdeenshire which would, of course, be sending out exactly the right message about the the qualities people might expect ot find in Scotland.


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senza nome,

03/02/2008 00:59:37
Can I nominate Harthill? Imagine Brigadoon with Orange Walks.Even the Harthill service station has been renamed Heart of Scotland.The pits.
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Pictman,

Canberra 03/02/2008 02:18:40
How can someone with such limited vision be in the tourism industry, an industry where vision and imagination are pre -requisites?
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JayDeeTee,

03/02/2008 03:15:24
What part of the "country" does this Belle Doyle come from then??
"Places like New Zealand and Canada are unspoilt while in Scotland there are pylons, lights and city lights. Unfortunately this means that Scotland does not have the pristine environment that other countries can offer."
Yeah.... well Belle, does your native country have unspoiled locations then?? Does your native country have a neighbouring country force huge big pylons through it's beautifull countryside?? No...then feck off
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Snuffy Ivy,

Aberdeen 03/02/2008 03:23:21
Aberdeen is a complete dump now. Union Street looks like something left from the Californian gold rush.
Picture Aberdeen in 2008:
Peein in shop doors, vomit, muggings, homelessness, firebugging, toothless & drug infested brainless twits hingin' aroon street corners eyeing-up the wifies fae Peterheed gan aboot wi' their shopping bags looking for shoppies (that were tarmac-ed ow'er or became multi storey car parks in 1965) stepping ow'er legally begging homeless pensioners selling magazines! What an ideal reality movie but a wreck of a city! Nae even a Bobby in sicht! Even the Grandfare left!
And that's jist the good stuff! You should see it at weekends!
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03/02/2008 04:08:53
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Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 03/02/2008 07:56:36
Some very honest admissions above. Let the Planners target these sites. Let Donald Trump smile upon them. Let our MSPs be compelled to live in them.
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nell from falkirk,

03/02/2008 07:58:25
"where Scotland has been closed down and everyone has died because of an outbreak of plague"

Is this taken from the next Labour party manifesto?
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Rod,

Champfleurie Estate 03/02/2008 08:12:12
~9 Can I nominate Harthill?

Please don't as even the mention of the dreadful place is enough to cause trauma to many. I last visited the place in the winter of 1962/3, helping with the survey of the first section of the M8 - the Harthill Bypass. The memories of it haunt me to this day.
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Old Town Resident,

edinburgh 03/02/2008 08:30:20
Next will be Edinburgh as the ugliest set , if Caltongate was to get the go ahead this weds the 6th feb
Sign petition at www.eh8.org.uk and keep up to date at www.independantrepublicofthecanongate.blog.spot.com
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 03/02/2008 08:46:32
It is gratifying that Canada is chosen - along with New Zealand - as having the most beautiful and unspoilt landscapes in the the world for filming movies.

But Scotland has some pretty outstanding gorgeous locations and that has been documented in countless movies that take place in Scotland.

But I suppose the point of this newsitem is to highlight how ugly some parts of Scotland and its inner cities can be.

A dubious distinction but those are the facts of the case.
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donald,

glasgow 03/02/2008 08:47:26
The Belles, the Belles ...
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clarry,

balmedie 03/02/2008 08:58:50

Scotland has been used for many film locations. Film producers used other locations because of lower costs.In the first instance they would like to use Scottish locations and find because of tax breaks it is cheaper to use other location ie New Zealand or Ireland.

'Stardust'is a recent release which had Michelle Pieffer and Robert DeNiro and other British actors in it. Some of the films' location was Skye and Iceland.

Many film locations have been in Scotland but some producers are put off by the higher costs as compared to other countries, where there are lower taxes (tax breaks).

Let's start by having the Trump Development in Balmedie (supported by 95% of the electrate) to show tourists, including film producers and actors what Scotlands' qualities are really like!



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HA,

Beith 03/02/2008 08:59:27
No 2. Agree with your comment on wind farms. What with New Labour and The SNP = New Labour in kilts getting into bed with the multi nationals and their profiteering on wind farms it's going to become ever harder for film makers and Scots to find unspoiled senery in Scotland as these useless monoliths cover our once beautiful country(our carbon emissions have gone up along with the proliferation of wind farms)
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clarry,

balmedie 03/02/2008 09:01:01

One of 'Stardust's location was Skye. If you watch the movie you see Skye in the backgroud.
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yockel,

Damp Dereich Scotia 03/02/2008 09:04:07
#10 Dragonhead, spot on, the gift tae see us etc.
As for expecting "the planners" to do something about it! They created it!! Notice how every carbuncle listed is man made, planning permission probably passed on a bung and a nod.
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GrahamH,

Edinburgh 03/02/2008 09:09:15
Count Edinburgh soon as soon as the historic buildings get ugly power attachments for the trams. Was only In Eastern Europe this was allowed to happen before and they are now removing them and replacing with stand alone power infrastructure.

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Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 03/02/2008 09:29:44
Remember how Dundee's Caird Hall was often used to represent grim Stalinist structures in the USSR?

Holyrood Parliament can be used in a documentary about Grand (failed) Designs. Kevin McLeod can front it.
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clarry,

03/02/2008 10:10:13


Should charge £1 to go round Holyrood Parliament to recoup some of the cost. Holyrood Parliament has masses of visitors - tourists and natives. People come from all over the world to visit Edinburgh and Holyrood Parliament.

Difficult to use for film location unless a film set in a Edinburgh context. Everyone would know where it is.

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clarry,

03/02/2008 10:15:37


What about 'Trainspotters' one of the most successful films ever. Shown all over the world. One of Ewan McGregor's and other successful Scottish actors/actresses hits.

Kelly McDonald in Coen's Brothers latest film.
Brilliant movie up for five or more Oscars.
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Upbeat,

03/02/2008 10:18:42
Even after half a century of travelling around Scotland by road, many years professionally, it would be impossible for anyone to claim to have seen it all, or know every view at all well.

In this article it appears that Belle Doyle considers that Scotland does not offer film makers unspoilt views and locations. Surely this reveals only the dubious benefit of a sheltered upbringing, and an urban outlook. That a national agency, Scottish Screen, should now promote this opinion around the world is something much worse .

The " Frame" of all images on film has always been carefully selected. Backgrounds have always been reworked, since the earliest days of film, by the incorporation of glass plates and now by the use of digital means. Even without this huge vistas across Scotland contain no man made object at all.

Screen Scotland is deliberately , probably through youth and ignorance , selling this nation short. If they do not reform their ideas they are clearly unfit for purpose, and any grant funding should be suspended.
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clarry,

03/02/2008 10:34:40

Can't sell Scotland locations unless on a level playing field with other competitors. Other countries with similar locations give tax breaks to film companies. Until Scotland does the same Scotland will always lose out. Not Beth Doyles fault.

British government fault.


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clarry,

03/02/2008 10:42:19


False buildings were built at the West Coast for 'Harry Potter' films. The Finnan railway viaduct was also in one of the film. One of the reasons Scotland was probably, chosen for the location, was because of the influence of J. K. Rowlings the author.
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Doreen,

The Cyber Shebeen 03/02/2008 11:22:11
Load of tosh....with the crap films Hollywood is tossing onto the conveyer belt...where computer graphics are the order of the day...what is the problem?....never heard of backdrops?...paintings?....do you realise a huge amount of film that you have watched will have been doctored with or includes scenery that does not exist?...

There are huge parts of Scotland that is still beautiful and if you cannot see it then it is because you have ugly eyes.
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Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 03/02/2008 13:29:24
Dont look farther than Ardrossan it's got the lot! run down buildings, a minging main street and a new harbour development which looks like an open prison.
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The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

03/02/2008 13:35:56
The comments on here are inane, and this is not a story in any shape or form. Obviously nothing happened in scotland yesterday.

How stupid are you people ? Do you think this matters ?


29, do you seriously believe that in a HALF CENTURY you couldnt see all of scotland ? how big do you think it is ?!
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Upbeat,

03/02/2008 14:07:40
35 Mario

Read carefully the words I used and you will see that I said "Even after half a century of travelling around Scotland by road, many years professionally, it would be impossible for anyone to claim to have seen it all, or know every view at all well."

I did not say it could not be done, if that was all a single person set out to do. Bound to a career and an office most people have other things in their lives.

Can we assume from what you say that you are quite familiar with the view from every viewpoint in Scotland ? No ?

When you stand at the top of Devils elbow and look north, what is to be seen ? If you are on the west coast of little Cumbrae, what shape does Ailsa Craig present to you ? When looking along the beach at Pease bay at high tide can you actually see Torness powerstation ?

If you are walking north from Oldshoremore, can you see Beinn Stack ?

Just a few examples to show you why it is impossible for anyone to have such a good knowledge of Scotland's scenery even after 50 years. To make the claim above ruined scenery that Scottish screen is attempting to " sell", is plainly absurd.
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Upbeat,

03/02/2008 14:10:49
Sorry words dropped out ....To make the claim above about Scotland's ruined scenery, that Scottish screen is attempting to " sell", is plainly absurd.
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The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

03/02/2008 14:15:19
Nobody has the time for that, theres google earth , theres untold picture libraries.

My point remains , tis story is BS.

Is every film ever made in scotland only supposed to show pictures of pretty hills ? Have you never seen a down and dirty scene in an american or candian movie ?

Film exists for other reasons than Tourist Promotion for gods sake !! Otherwise , we could just endlessly remake Rob Roy and Braveheart (probably filmed in ireland). MOst people are a bit more sophisticated than that.
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 03/02/2008 16:39:01
35 Mario Antoinette

Thank YOU very much, indeed, for calling us all stupid.

We all can't be as brilliant and intellectually gifted as you.

'tis a pity you don't have more humility and then you wouldn't be casting these inane aspersions about.
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 03/02/2008 17:12:54
Shittting crikey, what a lot of hot air. Belle is selling Scotland as a location for both beautiful and keech locations, as the market dictates. Why would anyone want to film a dystopian urban nightmare on Ardnamurchan?

Belle has spent the last decade working on locations, first in Dumfries and Galloway, where she was instrumental in bringing in productions as diverse as 2000 Acres of Sky and the Magdalene Sisters, then latterly for SS with great success.

She has a PHd in film studies, so is substantially more qualified to talk about film theoretically and practically than any of the previous thread contributors. For the record she's ENGLISH! Shock horror, but a lovely decent lass who doesn't deserve any of the cringe making comments made here about her.
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Seamus,

Ex Harthill 03/02/2008 19:18:36
Harthill is no better or worse than a lot of the mining villages in Lanarkshire and West Lothian. Ever been to Blackburn, Stoneyburn, Fauldhouse, Newmains, Salsburgh?.... the list goes on and on and on. Bleak places but not everybody can be born and brought up in leafy suberbs, if you ever visit some places in Glasgoe and Edinburgh well.... worse than the villages above. At least I would feel safe walking those villages after dark.
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Pilrig,

Livingston 03/02/2008 20:28:50
Caltongate - carbuncle of the future.
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Upbeat,

03/02/2008 20:37:58
40 Oscar

In view of your post perhaps it is a shame that Belle does not also study for a PhD in media studies. She might then learn about the danger that anything she omitted to say when interviewed by the press - about which aspects of Scotland's locations the organisation she works for was intending to promote - did have all the potential to be misconstrued.

What you see in this thread is a normal reaction by people who have been given the idea, in this Scotsman article, that someone by omission, might have been been talking Scotland down.

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JBG,

Mexico 03/02/2008 20:44:06
It seems to me that this has been a marketing decision and not one based on true specific beauty of any one particular location.

With all due respects to Belle Doyle and Scottish Screen, it appears that they either 1. do not know how to compete, 2. are afraid to compete or 3. made the mistake of concentrating on the easier path where there is little competition (for the time being) in
ugly location sites.

If I was a Scott I would demand of my film board that they market NOT ONLY the ugly location market segment but the beautiful ones as well and show proof of a sound strategy open to public scrutiny and to a board of overseers made up of some of your best advertising agency creative minds (appoint some international ones as well . . why not it would be an honor even if it does not pay a quid/dime/peso).

If you sit back and allow them to concentrate only on ugly locations, it will eventually have some serious negative effects not only on the ingressive tourism to your country but also your country's image as well.

The long term enduring image of a country should not be allowed to be traded for a short term small profit.

By the way . . . do these people make money on this on the side? are they a private entity or a full gov. agency? (I mean the film board)

JBG

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Ross Fyffe,

Scotland 03/02/2008 21:20:40
Trainspotting and Clockwork Orange, about sums it up
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Yankee girl,

USA 03/02/2008 22:08:25
Despite this article's skewed view, I think Scotland is very beautiful... :)
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i'm house,

03/02/2008 23:29:15
Always delighted to see people complaining about wind turbines spoiling the landscape. They're absolutly right. We should have more nuclear power stations. They're gorgeous.
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wade,

here and now 04/02/2008 02:45:28
#40,spot on;#43,"..misconstrued.."? or gleefully pounced by cybervultures?she made it pretty clear that scotland has surpassing nice scenery but for various reasons cannot compete with other locales..and that it makes sense to offer sites within the full spectrum of a cinemaphotographer's needs..ugly takes on a new look and a new meaning in a film..would be curious to see the corollary between those who in these pages are constantly bemoaning the tartan and biscuit tin image of scotland and those who are now crying foul when an astute decision is made to promote another side of scotland...
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chickenhawk,

USA 06/02/2008 02:05:00
I have seen both the ugly and beautiful parts of Scotland. This the land of my forbears. God willing, I hope to see it again....!!!!

 

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