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Published Date: 07 January 2007
RICK BOOTH tries his best. When the father of two young children goes shopping for food he avoids pre-packaged products in favour of fresh meat and vegetables. He refuses to buy consumer goods clad in what he describes as excess packaging and is assiduous in recycling his newspapers and bottles to help keep down Scotland's growing mountains of waste.
When his young daughter requested a sand-pit for Christmas, he made one from an old, discarded hot water tank, which he painted bright red in time for the big day.

But at his home in Lower Largo, Fife, which he shares with wife Jean and daughters
Grace and Catherine, he feels like King Canute trying to halt a never-ending tide, especially in the aftermath of Christmas.

"I do what I can to prevent it building up but the amount of waste we still have to deal with is just immense," he says. "The paper bin out the front just now is choc-a-bloc with wrapping paper and we'll be glad when that's taken off our hands."

Booth, a 32-year-old photographer and heating engineer, accepts he plays a part in waste creation and has thought about how to reduce his impact. "If I go to the supermarket to buy a piece of meat, I'll try and go to the butcher's section so it doesn't come packaged up. I'd have no problem if food was presented with less packaging."

Despite his good intentions he harbours pangs of guilt. "I have to put my hand up and say we use disposable nappies and that doesn't help," he said. "And although we regularly recycle newspapers and bottles one of the main reasons we don't recycle plastic and metal is the mountains of rubbish that would create in the back garden.

If you have a load of plastic then the easiest thing to do is to chuck it in the bin.

"A lot of this boils down to the individual and whether people are willing to go the extra centimetre to reduce waste. I've been to plenty of Hogmanay parties where all the bottles are piled into a black bag at the end of the night and destined for the skip. But it's a difficult thing to change people's habits and there's loads more to be done."

According to the latest official report on Scotland's largely household-generated waste, Booth may also be guilty of understatement. In 1994, local councils collected just over three million tonnes of waste from homes and businesses throughout the country. That is more than half a tonne for every man, woman and child in Scotland.

Yet in 2004/5, the last year for which official statistics are available, that figure had soared to more than 3.5 million tonnes, despite a decade of European Union, UK government and Scottish Executive encouragement to manufacturers, retailers and consumers aimed at helping reduce the nation's waste mountain.

The Scottish Environment Protection Agency's (Sepa) latest Waste Data Digest, published last week, details the grim story. Since 1994, the total waste collected has not fallen but risen by 13.8%. And if current trends persist, total waste will rise to more than 4.3 million tonnes by 2020.

It means that despite more Scots embracing a routine of weekly recycling materials such as newspapers, cardboard, cans and glass - the rate has risen from 12% to 25% over the last three years - the waste mountain continues to grow. In 2004/5 the amount of rubbish simply tipped into landfill sites was the same as the previous year.

Environmental groups say policies aimed at reducing waste are not working.

"It is worrying that, despite increased recycling levels, Scotland's waste mountain keeps growing," said Duncan McLaren, chief executive of Friends of the Earth Scotland. "This is not just bad for the environment but risks hefty fines from Europe.

"In the rush to address Scotland's appalling recycling record, government has forgotten the importance of making waste prevention and reuse the overall priority. It is vital we see action to tackle the throwaway culture, addressing over-packaging, junk mail, disposable products and food waste as quickly as possible."

The main reason for the increase, according to Sepa, which monitors trends in disposal and enforces related legislation, is the increase in waste produced mainly by Scotland's households.

Increased disposable income, more single person households, fashion trends, convenience-led lifestyles and lower costs of food and drink are contributing to the increase, the agency says.

Although the rate of increase in disposable incomes in Scotland has slowed marginally over the last two years, due to increases in interest rates and utility bills, the trend has been upward for almost 40 years. Combined with the easy availability of consumer credit, this has fuelled high street booms in consumer products - shops in Scotland last week reported trading figures up to 13% higher than last year over the festive period - which has, in turn, generated vast quantities of extra packaging.

The increasing number of households, fuelled by rising divorce rates, also increases the volume of waste. The number of single-person households in Scotland is forecast to rise by 26% between 2002 and 2016, which could have a dramatic effect on amounts of rubbish produced. One recent study found that a one-person home generates 9.9kg of waste per week compared with a relatively-modest 20.6kg for a five-person household.

Scotland's increasingly convenience-led lifestyle is also a problem. The British work longer hours than any other country in Europe, and busy parents have less free time to prepare meals so reach for heavily-packaged supermarket meals and takeaways. Difficult to recycle polystyrene cartons, foil trays and pizza boxes have become a major component of rubbish dumps. Less free time also means an increase in the use of items such as disposable nappies and one-use hand-wipes.

Attitudes to consumer goods have also changed. As Ross Finnie, the Scottish Environment Minister, made clear last year, the "make do and mend" society has long disappeared. "People would rather buy a new item than repair it," he said.

Sepa says supermarket chains should also shoulder some of the blame. Economists have found that food price inflation has been lower than general inflation for at least a decade, mainly due to low-pricing policies pursued by large food retailers.

Two-for-one and three-for-two offers are among the chief culprits, persuading customers to buy more food and drink than they actually need.

Across the UK, five million tonnes of food waste are generated each year. In Scotland, according to a Prudential insurance company survey, an average home throws away more than £438 of food every year.

Friends of the Earth Scotland says consumers have to change their lifestyles to make a long-term impact on waste reduction. "Lifestyle change is vital. For instance, rejecting ready meals and cooking fresh food so the only waste is vegetable peelings that go in the compost bin," says McLaren. "Recycling is only half the battle because if we don't get serious about prevention Scotland will lose the war on waste."

The Scottish Executive says it wants to stop the annual increase in waste by 2010. Yet last year it failed to back one high-profile initiative by Lib-Dem MSP Mike Pringle, who had submitted a private members' bill to Holyrood calling for a 10p levy on plastic bags handed out by retailers.

Although successfully adopted in Ireland, it was killed off last September by fellow MSPs on the Scottish parliament's environment committee, who were unconvinced of its long-term benefits.

Instead, Scotland is to get a Waste Prevention Action Plan, following a Scottish Executive consultation exercise last year, to be published in the spring. This is likely to produce tougher sanctions for retailers who fail to reduce excess packaging.

Although the Packaging (Essential Requirements) Regulations, passed by the UK parliament in 2003, require companies to minimise packaging, they are not rigorously policed by trading standards officers and there have been no prosecutions.

Making manufacturers or retailers responsible for collecting used disposable items is one option under consideration by the Executive, as is developing reusable cartons for everyday items such as washing powder. Far more controversial would be legislating a ban on two-for-one offers and similar bargain deals.

But the Executive says: "Responsible promotion of products by retailers is entirely legitimate. Promotion of 'two for one', 'three for two' or free gifts can, though, create waste by persuading consumers to buy more than they actually need."

The Executive plans to recruit the consumer in its battle on waste. A spokesman said: "We have set ambitious targets to increase the amount of waste we recycle and the Scottish public has responded well to that challenge.

"We recognise, though, the importance of tackling waste growth and reducing the amount of waste we generate. Consumers have an important role to play. We can compost at home, refuse to accept over-packaged produce, and participate in voluntary schemes to minimise unwanted mail."

Moves include campaigns to persuade more people to sign up with the Direct Marketing Associations's free Mailing Preference Service, which stops most unsolicited mail but only 148,000 households in Scotland have so far registered. Cooked food waste is a major problem as it can attract vermin if it is not properly contained. The Executive will try persuade people to buy home food digesters that turn organic waste into nutrient-rich liquid to be spread on the garden. An alternative is a wormery, which also turns waste into compost.

Finally, ministers also want to turn Scots into a nation of complainers, willing verbally to take on shopkeepers who are guilty of over-packaging and rejecting over-packaged goods.

"The best companies learn from what customers are saying and improve accordingly," the Executive's consultation paper says.

"However, traditionally the UK consumer has not been skilled at making effective complaints to providers. Key points are to remain calm, to be assertive without being aggressive and to be clear about what you are complaining about."

So next time you take that tin of biscuits from within the food hamper that was delivered in a cardboard box you know what you have to do. Your country needs you.

Waste not, want not: how we each throw away £1,725 a year


EXCESS waste is not only bad for the environment, it also hits everyone's pockets. According to a survey by the Prudential insurance company, the average British adult wastes £1,725 on unneeded food, gadgets, entertainment, transport, luxury items and hobbies every year.

• Food is the biggest culprit, with each adult wasting more than £400 annually, with a third admitting to throwing out unwanted food every week and half admitting to over-ordering takeaways.

Around 60% of consumers confess to throwing out lettuce, bags of salad, bread and fruit every week, while more than 40% toss milk down the sink and cooked meats in the bin.

Spread and dips (37%), cheese (33%), prepared meals (24%) and fresh meat and fish (23%) were also favourites to make their way from shop to dump without hitting a plate. A perhaps surprising 17% of consumers said they threw away unfinished bottles of wine.

• Clothes were another waste of money, with more than 63% of women buying outfits in sales they never wore or wore just once. Meanwhile, 56% admitted to purchasing shoes they never put on and 43% bought toiletries they never used.

• New hobbies that are never seen through are also a drain on the pocket and the planet's resources. The average adult wastes more than £300 annually on kit, equipment and gym memberships that are rarely used, or DIY projects and evening courses that are never finished.



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1

Paul Voltaire,

www.paulvoltaire.spaces.live.com 07/01/2007 02:59:31

There is more rubbish then because of divorce.
Well I blamed the ex for everything else.She can take the blame for this as well.

2

Mcsnagpile,

Vietnam 07/01/2007 05:00:50

The future of consumerism is bleak and unsustainable. The illusion is that it has been around for a long time. It only took off in the sixties. Before then many goods were unbranded and or came unwrapped. Most items like sugar and butter were measured out in the Grocers into paper bags, bread came unwrapped. Restaurants tended to be of the liver and onions with mash and carrots type. Machinery was manufactured to be maintained and repaired. Soon this frenzy off polluting will become as dated as a slice of porridge –so be ready for the big correction.

3

Pete39,

Tassy 07/01/2007 07:42:31

Cheez Paul, lay off a bit. I am pretty sure that your ex is right into everything that is required to keep the world revolving. I have never come across one woman who has not an instinct to preserve the world. They are so tremendous, you cannot measure their ability. In Australia when we meet the woman of our dreams then we then we go out and buy her a house, we visit her occassionaly and employ a lawyer to supervise the relationship. That is only this year, 2007. It is bound to get more interesting as the world revolves.

4

Mcsnagpile,

Vietnam 07/01/2007 09:47:29

Number 3
I read your link on the Green Party. Although it maybe a step in the right direction- I have three wheelie bins and two recycling bins made out of non-biodegradable plastic and manufactured with and by oil. I have found the recycle bins are unrealistic since it take a number of years for even a banana skin to degrade. The worms will die of old age trying. Only a change at source by industry will really effect a change. That seems a few tax statutes and arthritic responses away.

Number 4
The wise married Aussie always keeps a few dollars on the side for his escape route to S.E.A. and leave somebody to worry about the rubbish.

5

steve 1511,

07/01/2007 10:07:02

garbage

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Jock Thomson,

Ayr 07/01/2007 10:08:07

#5 & 6
We have always produced waste and we always will. However the new Green religionists are trying to build their movement by sending us on a guilt trip. Multi-wheelie bins are stupid. As you point out their own environmental footprint is enormous. They also need additional trucks = additional mileage to empty.

As usual there is a solution which is being ignored because it does not fit into the environmentalists mind-set (no sackcloth and ashes) http://sterecycle.com

7

sceptic,

Edinburgh 07/01/2007 10:16:41

According to the shape of the people I see in the street it would greatly benefit the NHS and 30% of the population if a lot more food was discarded!

8

Toad.,

Isle of Bute. 07/01/2007 12:06:29

A Florida county has grand plans to ditch its dump, generate electricity and help build roads — all by vaporizing garbage at temperatures hotter than the sun.
The $425 million facility expected to be built in St. Lucie County will use lightning-like plasma arcs to turn trash into gas and rock-like material. It will be the first such plant in the nation operating on such a massive scale and the largest in the world.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-09-09-fla-county...


http://www.usplasma.com/Overview.htm


http://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/stories/2004/10/04/dai...

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Ronnie,

Dalkeith 07/01/2007 12:07:52

Recycling? The solution is obvious. When you are finished with your waste cartons and packaging why not take them back to the shop they came from. If they are designed to prevent damage or to preserve food then fine but in most cases wine bottles should be returned to the supermarket that sold them from whence they can be shipped to the wine producing area of Europe. Also why do we only use bottles just once. Why must they be smashed and remelted into fresh bottles? If we had set of a standard euro bottle sizes and containers they could be reused by any manufacturer again or is that taking green too far?

10

Alexander,

Edinburgh 07/01/2007 12:57:04

#3
i note the "greens" leaflet on recycling quotes the Mayor of Doncaster. Is that the same one under investigation for re-cycling public cash through his own account?

11

andy48,

duddingston 07/01/2007 13:19:39

#13
Would you be referring to this by any chance.

In Labour run Doncaster, the town's first-ever elected mayor Martin Winter is facing two police investigations. One is into his election expenses and the other into his financial involvement in a local community project.

12

Chikderic,

Inverness 07/01/2007 13:31:24

A largish deposit on things like bottles will ensure they are returned by the purchaser or someone else. As a wee laddie living in a seaside resort I often scoured the beach for bottles and then returned them to obtain the deposit.

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Jill Ferguson,

Glasgow. 07/01/2007 15:03:48

Theres more right ideas and solutions being raised by people here so far, the problem being raising these issues on this Forum doesn't see them being implemented by local governments.

Avoiding buying foods that have large amounts of packaging, forcing the large supermarkets to change their packaging, and make it more biodegradeable would make a huge difference.

Consumers have alot more power and clout with who they shop from, if they put their foot down, and force their shops to change their policys and ways.

Taxing plastic bags and charging for them would make a big difference, and limiting the numbers customers take away would help.

Promoting the use of re-useable bags far more widely, cutting the cost of them would also be common sensicle.

Advertising the locations of Recycling bins at Retail Parks, and making the public far more aware of them would help.

Also, private services that pick up material to be recycled from peoples houses, like:

http://www.thereclaimer.co.uk/

Getting our Newspapers/Magazines to advertise on their Front Pages to make their readership recycle their papers/ magazines.

Placing returnable deposits on more glass bottles and containers, to give customers the incentive to take them back to their point of sale.

The list of suggestions and ideas is endless, but we must all do far more that is clear, and waiting for the Government to enforce legislation and make it compulsary - it will too late.

People will resent compulsary legislation, and it will be impossible to enforce.

Only by making people change their habits/behaviour and recycle on a willing and voluntary basis will we see Global Warming due to the Co2 emitted from Landfil Sites reduced.

But it's going to be a period of years, decades and its time we don't have, if the Melting of the Polar Ice Caps, floods, droughts,Tsunamis, and heatwave

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Jimmy Connely,

Sweden 07/01/2007 15:57:56

Having lived most of ma life in good old lergy
Fife council refuses to collect paper becouse they say the road is to narrow? and they have no real recycling depots, and i wonder where rick booth lives mabye in one of the housing areas that destroyed our village in the 90s. and Scotland could learn alot from Sweden about recycling especially Plastic bottles that litter largo bay beach.

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Jill Ferguson,

Glasgow. 07/01/2007 16:16:57

Hate to say it Jimmy,

but when you mention it - anything that causes such an eyesore, if not removed by the council, should be moved by local activists and environmentalists.

Theres plenty of groups formed by Volunteers who do this exact kind of clean up work!

If I wasn't in Glasgow - I'd join you and others prepared to chip in and clean up Largo Bay. . . . and ultimately shame the Local Council / Authorities into taking action themselves!

The same thing happens here in Glasgow, except its abandoned glass beer, and "buckie" bottles.
I make a point of picking them all up and recycling them, when out for walks, as to complain would be futile.

It may not be your role, responsibility, or remit to carry out this work, but with enough manpower, bodies, and high spirit, you'll soon see just how satisfying and encouraging it is to have the beach cleaned, and restored to how it should be.

Even take a before and after shot, and mail it to all the papers. That should make the Council take notice!

And if it stilll doesn't work ( which I'd be most surprised about) come back to me!

Good Luck!!!!

And that applies to anybody who feels strongly about an issue in their local area.
Direct Action, it doesn't have to be Political, or militant, but an injection of passion, and devotion to keeping your community clean is a sure way of restoring pride from within.

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Jock Thomson,

Ayr 07/01/2007 16:42:24

# 19 Well said Jill

Of course community effort need not be restricted to litter. In some American towns they have volunteer (unpaid) firecrews, neighbourhood wardens etc.

Our councillors also used to be volunteers and only got expenses. This worked very well, but look at the dross we have now since we started paying them.

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Jill Ferguson,

Glasgow. 07/01/2007 16:59:07

Indeedy Jock!

Don't get me started on these Councillors. . .

Our Local Councillors in Glasgow are Shameful, and a complete rip off, of the Public Purse! Their costing us tax-payers a bl***y fortune,& doing bugger all for it.

They are just like the Politicians, and MSP's, MP's etc, just in it for themselves.

They only say what the electorate want them to, so their voted back in at the elections, and then they suit themselves!
Their two faced, spineless, and rarely answer a straight question - bit like MSP's!

See what you've done! LOL!

Volunteering is far more satisfying though, and it sorts out those who genuinely want to do their work, from those on the fat - cat salaries!

Not that Public Servants are wonderfully paid!

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Kenneth,

07/01/2007 18:32:08

As a practical socio-capitalist, I can't understand why the issue of the environment isn't making money by creating solutions. If we can be made to pay throught the nose for everything else; about eighty percent of which is unecessary because of hype and built-in obsolesence then why can't the greening or regreening of the earth and the disposal of trash be as money making an endeavor. Built into each piece of garbage we buy should be a disposal fee which could be offset by credits for inventive biodegrabable environmental friendly packaging. If we can send people to the moon and surgically take out some enemy on the crapper while he or she is musing then why can't we use all this brain power to create environmentally friendly trash? The combination of rules-socialism and incentives-capitalism should be able to put things right. Oh I forgot we need a smattering of brains and backbone in our leaders. Sorry to bother you all with this wishfull thinking.

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PETER C.,

Glasgow 07/01/2007 18:53:30

Good to see I'm not alone in being appalled by what I find here.

I've lived in several countries and travelled in many more and was bitterly disappointed on coming to live in Glasgow to find waste collection and recycling here decades behind most other West European countries, while Council Taxes are so phenomenally high. What for?

There's refuse and plastic all over the damn place all the time, except on collection days and in the allotted places. A mere sprinkling of bottle banks, and I've seen no facilities whatever for recycling paper or anything else.

It's like Spain thirty years ago, except that even there, they did try throwing rubbish in the general direction of bins... Eastern Europe may not be so hot on recycling, but in poor towns in Bulgaria, the waste's in the wheelie bins, not up the trees, in the streets, all over the parks and riverbanks and pavements and closes... Third world standards...

Meanwhile, antisocial youngsters wear their ASBOs like medals of honour - when they could be doing some community service clearing and sorting the stuff. Not to speak of the jobless... Why don't Councils even begin to address the problems? Besides, surely there's plenty of economic advantage in introducing a proactive waste and recycling policy; while tremendous costs accrue from doing damn all.

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fatboyslim,

glasgow 07/01/2007 19:13:49

who gives a toss about the environment do other animals care about the enviromental damage of the enviroment i doubt it animals shape and change the enviroment and we are no different the earth is 5 billion years old and will be here long after we are gone we are only guests in planet earth. ithe earth survived an asteriod that killed the dinosaurs, the earh survived collison with the moon billions of years ago. the fact is it will survive us when we are long gone. why should we worry about the environement the americas have the right attitude screw the envirnment, its refreshing going on holiday there to see there honest attitude about the enviroment. better than the lefties and there posters about recycling

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Jill Ferguson,

Glasgow. 07/01/2007 19:13:50

Here here Peter!

I've so many ideas and suggestions like you that it drives me crazy that there isn't a quick fix solution to this disgraceful mess.

I was even provided with a "litter picker" by the Cleansing Department to pick up litter, and glass bottles etc in my locality.

The Community Safety Department at Glasgow City Council is another place that needs to do more, with initiatives, and projects that see Glasgow a Safer Nicer City to live in.

I also agree with you about ASBO's their a joke - really! Far more needs done to shame those with ASBO's not glamourise them.

Although - the story I heard recently about those doing Community Service, being made to wear Orange Overalls - similar to that of Guantanemo Bay is rather disconcerting, that we're going down this Americanisation route a tad too far!

Funnilly enough, with regards to litter strewn all over the damn place, streets, alleys, lanes etc. . . it would seem the provision of bins in some areas is seriously lacking, yet in the more affluent areas - ditched rubbish is never the same kind of problem - wonder why that is ?

Having more signage that dropping litter carries a £50 on the spot Fine - along with litter wardens, in the same numbers as "Traffic Wardens" ( now known as "Parking Attendants" ) would help!

But far more must be done sooner rather than later. This lazy Council needs to pull their fingers out of their knicker elastic!

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Catharine,

Winnipeg, Canada 07/01/2007 19:28:15

Several large cities in North America came up with the brilliant solution of expanding their recycling facilities to include things like polystyrene and coloured glass, but started charging each household per bin bag of trash - amazing how many things actually make into the recycling boxes when the reality of paying for being too damn lazy hits the pocketbook. Suddenly you have to seriously stop and look at all that extra packaging, deciding if it really makes sense to buy all those ridiculous pre-portioned kids "lunchables" and teeny juice boxes. In many cities here it is actually less expensive to use a nappy service than waste all that money on disposable nappies - and why suddenly to our children need to be in disposable nappies until they are almost teenagers? We were taught to use the toilet, not continue to pee ourselves in disposable pull-ups so Mommy doesn't need to bother herself. We are suckers for the advertising campaigns of big business. Time to change our own attitudes.

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Sambo,

The deep south 07/01/2007 20:05:42

Jill,
On my annual visits to my home country I see so much trash on Scottish streets, you should use the people incarcerated to pick it up, also I see so much graffiti, have the prisoners clean that up too instead of having council workers do it.

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Jill Ferguson,

Glasgow. 07/01/2007 20:35:31

Sambo,

Like all other Suggestions made tonight, the trouble is convincing these useless MSP's or Councillors!

Getting them to change their ways, or free up Council workers time for genuine work would be far too sensible!

Brains it would seem,aren't something you need to work for the Local Council or Government!

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Bozo,

NSW Australia 07/01/2007 20:40:16

In our part of NSW we have 3 wheelie bins smallish one for general garbage,collected weekly. Yellow top for paper/glass/can recycling some plastic not all. Green top for all green waste prunnings,lawn clippings, this is turned into compost available from the council. the yellow and green tops are collected fortnightly.
In places the recycling has been so good there has been too much that the companies concerned cant cope with it and has gone into landfill.

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Theo,

Richmond, Va. USA 07/01/2007 21:52:36

I understand your waste problem. Just imagine what it is like here in the United States. Many areas though do now have recycle programs. In my area recycle is every 2 weeks. If you go to long before pickups many would still recycle but if it becomes just once a month most people would rather throw it away then look at it for 30 days.
My recycling is free but I do pay for it since the pickup cost is subsidized by a part of tax's I pay each year. If someone could come up with an efficient way to handle plastic other than the food grade #1 or #2 plastic we would go a much longer way with plastic recycling. WWII was a very good example of recycling and the authorities need to rekindle that need and spirit for recycling.

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Blindscout,

Fife 07/01/2007 22:14:12

18. "Fife council ... they have no real recycling depots..."

Not in the Fie I live in. With 6 miles I have 3 manned major recycling centres, that will take free of charge any type of waste, non-recycleable and everything from oil to clothing. Further more almost every town has a recycling point that takes glass, plastic and metal. Every household was given a hard-coverRecycling and Waste Guide. That informs residents on the facilities in their own town.

All residents will receive 3 bins, general waste, paper/card and garden. I have also set up to locally store in boxes, plastic, glass and metal. The plastic box needs emptying the most often, and my household waste wheely bin contains only 3 or 4 carrier bags of waste each week.

But the biggest problem is "our" attitudes (see 24) to reuse/recycling instead of refuse/dispose. Animals take more care about their environments than man. Take man away and nature will soon restore the planet. It's man and our greed that are destroying our environment.

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Jill Ferguson,

Glasgow. 07/01/2007 22:25:33

Blindscout - I totally agree with you!

Our attitudes, including those of our resistant Parliamentarians, and Councillors alike are the biggest stumbling block we face to date.

We have a big problem in changing this, and making people see that their behaviour and attitudes have a direct impact on the environment, as well as Global Warming, and its progression.

We all hold the key to turning things around, and doing our bit however small.
But arrogance, and ignorance as with the unhelpful comments of #24 prove we have a long way to go to change peoples views, and opinions, and turn them around. UNFORTUNATELY!!!!

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American Mary,

D & G 07/01/2007 22:42:05

I haven't seen any other mentions of this, but did you know that you can compost cardboard boxes, including the ones that frozen pizzas come in? You only need to tear them into manageable pieces and add them to your compost pile or bin. Every so often, wet it all down with your hose -- or pour old coffee grounds and tea bags over it -- and throw on a handful of lime -- the powdered stuff, not the fruit -- to break it all down. (Lime helps break down banana skins too, number 6, Mcsnagpile.) Our council sold us composters for only a few pounds two years ago, and this has helped us cut down on our garbage considerably.

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Jill Ferguson,

Glasgow. 07/01/2007 23:00:31

See it just goes to show what we can do when we put our minds to it! Good for you!

Just wish I'd a proper back garden to be able to biodegrade more of my waste.
Still suppose I could put a compost bin in the back court / shared / communal area.

Cheers for that info American Mary.

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PETER C.,

Glasgow 07/01/2007 23:18:00

Yes Jill. You seem to be full of good, and practical, ideas. But maybe, instead of being rude to councillors and those in office, it might be more to the point to try to involve THEM in your initiatives...

Some might even take the bait. Your approach certainly feels right to me, so why not to politicians, policemen etc.? If they don't want to do their bit, they might have to explain why not...

As for poor Fatboyslim (24#), he might, just might begin to see a few simple links between cause and effect if someone puked on his doorstep and left a few mementoes round his home. Or better still, if a tomcat marked it as HIS territory... (Well, there he was, rabbeting on about animals, about which he doesn't show much sign of knowing a thing).

Nothing, but nothing to do with Left or Right (though he may not be wrong if righteous lefties sometimes make him see red).

It's just a matter of living together comfortably and not puking in each others' beer. Or blasting each other all night with 100 dB of heavy metal. Or fouling the drinking water...

Just simple matters: we share our living space, this Earth's our home. If you don't give a damn about your family, flatmates, neighbours, workmates, you'll not be surprised if they treat you accordingly.

If you don't care for your home and live in a pigstye, that's your problem, but if you use other's space in the same way, you'll be in trouble, won't you...

Of course, if your car or washing machine don't work, you can always trade it in and get a new one. If your house falls down, it might be a bit more complicated. But we can't trade in the planet.

And if you don't give a damn about our children and their children, I do. And I daresay all decent human beings feel that way. And I don't care what political colour people are. However rich or powerful they may be; if they ruin the world we hand down to future generations, they must be made to pay for their misdeeds.

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Jill Ferguson,

Glasgow. 07/01/2007 23:30:04

Yes Jill. You seem to be full of good, and practical, ideas. But maybe, instead of being rude to councillors and those in office, it might be more to the point to try to involve THEM in your initiatives...
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Appreciate the sentiment Peter, but I've been there, and tried that with regards to involving them in my "initiatives" or Campaigns.

Examples being the Anti-Tesco Campaign I'm involved in, the Local Councillor isn't nearly as interested in Public Objections, based on the fact The City Council Share the ownership of the land with Tesco, and will benefit greatly from taxation, should this go to fruition.

My Local Councillor is resigning at the next election, and was involved in putting forwards another candidate at the selection process in his adjoining ward, despite the fact he agreed, and gave his word to nominate the existing Councillor as a Candidate. Two faced or what!

So, really when you look more closely at the Labour Councillors, alot of them are in it for themselves,and far less interested in the electorates views than they should be.

Afterall, its the same people who are voting for the closures of our Schools and Hospitals! They're rotten apples some of them!

So, if I show a certain level of discontent, or cynicism with New Labour Councillors, or MSP's its with good reason!

And if I thought I could involve them, willingly, and with good heart I would.
But, unless theres something in it for them, or it's not going against the Party whip, ( like Malcolm Chisholm) they're really not interested.

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PETER C.,

Glasgow 08/01/2007 00:25:09

Thanks for answering, Jill.

You don't surprise me, except that I'd have expected these people to be a little more far-sighted and to have few more survivor's skills. It's enough just to look at the city to see what they've done to it. Glasgow is paved with the sort of good intentions that lead to Hell. And, like most of Scotland's fine cities, it's full of what you might call Peace Memorials: post-1945 monuments to cronyism, mediocrity, crass ignorance and corruption.

I was thinking the other day that politics in Russia are the tale that begins where Orwell's Animal Farm leaves off. But maybe one could say the same of New Labour politics over here. Surely in places like Glasgow where their machine politics rule...

There are cities in Europe where this kind of government by corrupt and complacent left-of-centre numpties has led to the empowerment of fascists. Surely our city fathers can be levered into serving the people rather than themselves by something less drastic than the fear of jackboots up their backsides?

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ian geddes,

vancouver canada 08/01/2007 06:46:52

re # 22 if I knew what a socio-capitalist was I could cure all the worlds aills. Ian

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missing home,

CA 08/01/2007 07:13:05

We have three bins here too, recyclables (glass paper plastic etc), trash and green waste, ie plant matter. I could do with another recycle bin as it's always stuffed to the gunnels.
A neighbour used to poo poo me with 'oh, it's too much touble to bother sorting it out, we don't create that much trash anyway' . I said 'well you are creating the planet your grandson will inherit'. she hated me for it but she started to 'bother'!

someone posted about animals not worrying about recycling etc and blah blah, hey, animals don't make styrofoam or aluminium cans or, or........, yes, this planet has many self preserving qualities, but it doesn't hurt to give a toss!

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GP,

08/01/2007 11:17:35

Does this not just make you laugh?
Not that long ago the local creamery delivered milk via electric vehicles and the bottles were recycled.
We had rag and bone men collecting unwanted materials. We had the local pigmen collecting vegetable waste etc. All this was stopped by various commercial decisions and of course nanny state laws.
Now we are told to do all the above and pay for it as well. We really are a bunch of soft mediocrity accepting people.
More laws on waste management and punitive taxes on households by local politicians who have little or no imagination on how to actually tackle the problems at source. Their only thoughts being how can we get more money out of them.
Whilst dairy farmers get 18p a litre for milk the consumer pays £1.30 and will have to pay for getting rid of the packaging on top.
Wake up folks!

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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 08/01/2007 11:24:46

First, to Jill Ferguson in Glasgow. I read your posting # 69 of Saturday 6 January 2007 regarding the article on firefighters leaving students out in the rain. I agree.

I live in a condominium building that is sustainable and environmentally-friendly. It was designed as a master's thesis by a lady at CMHC (Canada Mortgage and Housing) who then enlisted an architect and engineers etc. to put her ideas in more concrete terms - hence the name of our building "Conservation Co-Operative Homes, Inc."

I have served on the board of directors here as Vice-President and Corporate Secretary and it has sometimes an uphill battle to convince people at the Member Selection meeting - I have been on that committee for 8 years - of the advantages personally and world-wide in following recycling programs and to sort their recyclables.

We have won various civic, provincial, Canadian, and international awards for our environmentally-friendly initiatives and our goal of sustainability.

All members are allowed a garden plot and we even have two terraces off the top floor - the fourth - with raised beds for growing (hopefully) organic produce. THis also does not include the twenty raised beds in the courtyard.

Our building is oriented precisely north/south to passively heat the south-facing apartments in winter and to allow us to grow our organic seedlings in the Common Room

We also have an Environmental Code of Practice (ECP) that incoming members have to sign and it is an undertaking to recycle and sort, not change the low-flow plumbing fixtures or special fluorescent bulbs, and to try and change other bulbs in lamps, etc. to compact fluorescent ones.

When I first moved in I had to write an article in TWO HOURS!, for God's sake, for PEN (The Peace and Environment Newsletter) and it is one resident's take on moving in here in November of 1995. Let me say, that was some stress-filled Christmas that year.

If you want to

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Jill Ferguson,

Glasgow. 08/01/2007 11:41:26

Timothy,

Nice to see tat we can meet on some common ground - not that difficult is it ?
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As for Peter:

Thanks for answering, Jill.

You don't surprise me, except that I'd have expected these people to be a little more far-sighted and to have few more survivor's skills. It's enough just to look at the city to see what they've done to it. Glasgow is paved with the sort of good intentions that lead to Hell. And, like most of Scotland's fine cities, it's full of what you might call Peace Memorials: post-1945 monuments to cronyism, mediocrity, crass ignorance and corruption.
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Don't worry, I'm not giving up on the Campaign trail on any given matter!!!
I've more fight left in me yet!!

I realise it's about being more devious, and streets ahead of the Councillors/ Polititcians."where there's a will there's a way!"

With my sources within Glasgow City Council, who I can use, along with The Community Council there are means of pushing ideas through, and stopping large developments, with enough clout!

With regards to Tesco - see http://www.tescopoly.org/

it's just not that easy when your up against a majority Labour Council, who are muppets for the Scottish Parliament.

Moving back to recycling efforts, sometimes it just akes a little initiative of our own, to start a local campaign, or effort, persuading the neighbours, and the rest will hopefully follow.
No-one said it was easy - but we've got to try!

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Harry Carnie,

British Columbia, Canada. 08/01/2007 19:47:15

#40 ,#41 Good points
#24..You do not know much about animals.
Consider these FACTS;
Most animals DO NOT POO IN THEIR NESTS.
A pig will do its "business" in one area of its pen
given the room to do so, as with smaller animals such as mice and rats. Deer and moose(many in my area) have little round "turds", similar to sheep ,(walnut size for moose) that scatter easily into the grass/snow and provide natural fertilizer during the growing season.

Would agree that IT IS A CONSOLATION, that nature may "rearrange things", as she has in the past..(astreoid)making our environmental efforts rather "unnecessary".
Being an animal..mankind is basically a dirty s.o.b
When all our trash was biogradable. bones , peelings, cast off skins,dead horses, ect., it did not matter.
NOW our cast off cars ,t.v.s, and plastics ,stay around "forever"
You say "only lefties and environmentalist "concern themselves with cleaning up our living area,(planet)

Shows... YOU must ENJOY living in S**t up to your A**. Where does this place YOU in relation to a pig, for example?

Where ever it does ..you are(unfortunately) in the MAJORITY.


 

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